audio-tech

[umbral charm]

I have no idea I'll have to try speak to some other producers and see if they know more than I do haha

[lean grove]

You want to look into AutoEQ and see if it's compatible with your software

Or if there's any plugins for it

[umbral charm]

Seems a bit tedious but hopefully I can get it done

I use FL Studio

Don't hate me 😂

[lean grove]

.

[warm scarab]

worse than clouds

[cosmic plume]

Fair enough. Is there an alternative that has better mic quality than the cloud2? (they dont carry the 3)

[warm scarab]

you have a 50$ budget man

you get what you can afford lmao

buy a lavalier for like 8$ on amazon and clip that onto your shirt/headphones if you want

[cosmic plume]

Ofcourse, just curious if there is a headset which trades audio quality for mic quality

Also, 50€

Not $

[warm scarab]

okay sorry

53$ budget

whatever

[cosmic plume]

Those 3$ can get me a piece of candy! Very valueable! XD

[warm scarab]

if you want mic quality get a lavalier mic and clip it onto something

[cosmic plume]

Fair enough

Seperate mic will almost always be better

[warm scarab]

buy the cheapest one, they cost next to nothing and sound good

[cosmic plume]

Btw, whats the deal with the JBL Quantum 100? Are they seriously that terrible?

[warm scarab]

yeah

[cosmic plume]

Crazy.. the only good thing of it is its mic then

Cool..

Well thank you (and grey.shadow)

[warm scarab]

np

[sick terrace]

caps out at 24 but not like you'll ever need more than that anyway

[umbral charm]

even 24 is wild 😂

[stone quartz]

Does anyone have recommendations for some in-ceiling speakers which have enough headroom to reach THX reference level?

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/skateboard-kickflip-skateboarding-skateboarding-tricks-gif-17047940

[celest galleon]

so i recently got wireless IEMs, moondrop spacetravel, and when using them on the PC, using a third party bluetooth dongle, it has a small delay, like 0.5seconds or lower.
couldnt find anything to eliminate that so far, u guys know anythign to fix that?

they work perfectly when using it with my phone and i mainly bought the as cheap travel ear buds, so its not a big deal

[warm scarab]

if you get a bluetooth dongle that avoids using the windows bluetooth drivers like the creative ones you can minimize the delay

but it will never be zero delay, just reduced

[celest galleon]

a minimal delay is more than fine by me, but the... 0.3-0.5 seconds it has right now makes it frustrating to listen to in games and when watching videos, due to the noticeable asynchronous playback. as long as the delay is only subconscious, i wouldnt care at all. not using it for competitive games (neither would i care)

how do i know what drivers it uses (and change it)?

[green marsh]

get a bluetooth dongle that avoids using the windows bluetooth drivers like the creative ones

[warm scarab]

you get a bluetooth dongle that was designed in mind to not use windows drivers to begin with, you cant change an existing one

creative has some stuff that bypasses windows drivers like I said

[celest galleon]

ah i see thanks

[warm scarab]

you'll have to discover your own as to which stuff is the cheapest that can do that, I can't help you but checking out that brand may be a good idea

[celest galleon]

❤️

yeah the creative ones are 50 bucks, it would be literally cheaper to get new wired IEMs that are also better than my current ones and would have even lower delay.

and since i dont even know how to distinguish what drivers the dongle would use, im just gonna call it a day, thinking about getting desktop monitors instead of my 2.1 system anyway

[shadow stag]

hey sorry to ask again but suggested desktop speakers in replacement of genius sp-u150x?

creative pebbles?

which revision?

[plush oracle]

@stuck bolt i need somthing to put my eris 4.5 speakers on for my desk do you know anything i could buy?

[stuck bolt]

What's your budget

[plush oracle]

£30

[stuck bolt]

https://a.co/d/aw4uAIm

Ah, ugh, I dont wanna change my Amazon address

If you got space, desk mounted stands are pretty neat

[plush oracle]

i can make room

i just have 2 massive monitors

thanks

[warm scarab]

buy wood

buy self tapping screw

buy glue

construct

[plush oracle]

no

[warm scarab]

coward

[plush oracle]

im not a coward im just busy

[warm scarab]

you can also buy aluminum extensions and just construct it with some t nuts and joiners

no cutting needed if you design well

[left verge]

I've been on spotify for about 8 years now, and I think it's time i switch to something else. I already have a way to get music, but now i need an app to play said music. I'm going to be using a player called Auxio for android, it's FOS and has all of the features of other players, while being completely offline. However, they don't make a PC version, so i'm wondering what to use.

[lean grove]

for PC, musicbee is the best i've found

Roon is also very good, but its not free

foobar is also an option, but imo its more clunky and less refined than musicbee. but if you like clunky and vintage software that has a ton of people making plugins for it, then you'll probably love it.

[woven plank]

hello, what's the best gaming headset you can get for ~150€ ?

[steel escarp]

fiio ft1 is not a good headphone

[zenith pawn]

whys there no scale on the graph

i don't understand how this works. Why does rtings say this

The FIIO FT1 have great audio reproduction accuracy. Their warm tuning with low-end emphasis is smooth without many peaks and dips. Their mids and treble are rather even, too, and comply very well with our target curve

because doesnt the graph say the opposite of that

[broken grotto]

Useless plot.

No axis labels, no scale.

[steel escarp]

here you go

the scale is 90dB

yeah no axis labels, but it should be clear what they are if you even seen a frequency response graph once

[woven plank]

my hyperx cloud stinger 2 is picking sound up, i tried pretty much everything but it still does it. what should i do?

[steel escarp]

the very upper treble seems boosted, but the harman 2018 target just has some substantial treble rolloff

[steel escarp]

put your phone on airplane mode

[woven plank]

its on pc

[steel escarp]

what kind of sounds is it picking up

buzzing?

[woven plank]

like when i vc evryone can hear yt or music

[steel escarp]

so the microphone picks up the sounds you are listening to?

[zenith pawn]

nevermind. just noticed there is a scale. this monitor has terrible contrast and it's dark gray text on black

[woven plank]

yep

[zenith pawn]

its like +10 at the very end of the bass lmao

[steel escarp]

oh yeah, the ft1 has a looot of bass. I had a pair

I sold them in a week lol

[zenith pawn]

i wanna know why rtings says this though because doesn't the graph directly contradict that

[steel escarp]

here is uncompensated

[zenith pawn]

the treble does not look so great

[steel escarp]

gadgetry tech seems to have least peaky measurement

the akg k371 seems way consistently better?

[steel escarp]

that is quite wild considering its a closed back

are you playing youtube that loud?

[woven plank]

i'm not

[steel escarp]

holy shit what are your headphones

[zenith pawn]

i think i've heard of cheaper headphones not having the mic electrically isolated enough from the audio output

i wonder if it could be that

[steel escarp]

they are 40 bucks

[zenith pawn]

that sounds about right

[woven plank]

yep was on tight budget back then

that could explain it tbh

[steel escarp]

it seems multiple hyperx headsets have the issue

[woven plank]

damn, thanks for that help mate, one last question, what's the best headset(s) i could find for around 150€ ? got a better budget now so i could find something probably

[steel escarp]

are you fine with earbuds?

or do you prefer over ear headphones

[woven plank]

I prefer over ear headphones

[steel escarp]

epos gsp 600

[woven plank]

Thanks

[steel escarp]

oh the build quality seems to be really bad

after doing some research

https://drop.com/buy/drop-pc38x-gaming-headset

@woven plank this is a pretty well known headset

honestly a Senheiser HD560s with a modmic will outperform it

[green marsh]

and will also be twice as expensive

[steel escarp]

Its like 150 here

[left verge]

How did you set up yours?
So far, it's not making a very good impression

[left verge]

Yeeah that's a no then

Also tried foobar and no lol

[warm scarab]

why?

what is the problem?

[left verge]

Tried musicbee, looked eh
the UI is a bit much for me, I don't want all of my songs to just be a list
But no Windows Controls
there'es a plugin for it but it's SUCKS
Same deal with foobar, except it is not made for OOB in mind
foobar's UI
There's quite a bit more i don't like about either
I was going to try and follow a guide or something, only to realize it's very time consuming

[warm scarab]

mb doesnt need windows controls

because they exist natively?

also for 10 minutes of typing I expected a longer text lol

the "looks" are literally what you want to make with it man

you have the choice to literally select what panel is display and what is present in it

[left verge]

Umm, no
At least not for me

[warm scarab]

additionally you choose how the music should be displayed

click of a button

idk what else you want

[left verge]

This is probably what i would want

[warm scarab]

you have a platform where as well as the user made skins, you have freedom to choose almost how every single element is placed and shaped, if foobar and musicbee cant do what you want I am afraid nothing will

[left verge]

Maybe i'm just too used to the spotify UI

[warm scarab]

there is a spotify ui clone skin

check that out maybe

[warm scarab]

https://getmusicbee.com/addons/skins/91/spotify-039-s-accent-dark/

[warm scarab]

@left verge

looks pretty good ngl

to me

[left verge]

Just something like the spotify ui

[warm scarab]

i kinda dig the larger icons on the left compared to what I have, might use it myself lol

[left verge]

Yeah, something like this is what i'm looking for

[warm scarab]

its in the link above, there are also a lot of other skins that might interest you

[left verge]

Is this a plugin or?

[warm scarab]

its this

https://getmusicbee.com/addons/skins/91/spotify-039-s-accent-dark/

[lean grove]

https://roon.app/en/

[warm scarab]

no

[lean grove]

poor 🫵

[left verge]

I could probably get this without the subscription
But i just want a music player for local files

[warm scarab]

im not paying for a program

to play what I already fucking have

this is the most clown audiophile application ever

[lean grove]

yeah you can bypass the subscription for $850

one time payment

[warm scarab]

850$ for a tagging utility

odds are you can find a better one in github lmao

[left verge]

Not that way, but ok

[lean grove]

its not just that. it makes a lot of sense if you have multiple stereo systems you want to use

[warm scarab]

oh shut the fuck up

[lean grove]

like for your mansion or something

[left verge]

Can i change the green?
Or is that just a part of the skin

[warm scarab]

I can literally buy a fucking netswitch

and use that instead

which fucking clown needs to pay 850$ to switch fucking speaker pairings

[green marsh]

or use lyrion music server

[warm scarab]

we have this thing

called a fucking button

and if you are like especially disabled you can even press those with a phone app these days

its crazy

[warm scarab]

I dont specifically know how you would do that

but if someone changed the native ui to that then you can also

I've long configured musicbee to what I want so I have not tampered in those appearance options in years

[left verge]

I mean, i don't mind the green
Just wondering

[left verge]

Wonder what else they have

[lone flame]

FT1 is a good headphone

on the 5128 measurments as example

measures really good 😄

here measurements of another guy with 2 different units

[lone flame]

also are all these measurements are made with the same rig?

like

it measures well

on some rigs / setups they have this one massive peak in the treble, thats all

[lone flame]

no?!

[lone flame]

How much do you wanna spend?

ah k 150

i woild go for Cloud III Wireless S

[warm scarab]

try editing playlist settings to change how tracks are listed

id honestly just advise navigating the menus and see what features there are and how you can change stuff to familiarize yourself

[elder thistle]

I would say the pc38x is more resolving than the 2nd gen 560s

[elder thistle]

you can't get useful advice for this. that's because:

[warm scarab]

you cant get useful advice for this because instead we are going to ignore you and then be really mean to you when you come back for purchase validation over buying a bad headphone because no one helped you

[elder thistle]

1. you didn't say which country, and availability will change even across the EU
2. you didn't say if it needs to block out outside noises or not
3. you didn't say what games it would be for and what you want to hear better in those games
4. you didn't say what music genres or artists you would use these with, if it's a priority, and what you want to hear better in this music
5. we don't know if you'd use free eq software or not, if necessary
6. we don't know your preferences

it is unfair to you when someone gives an answer for you to take seriously while intentionally ignoring the lack of basic criteria

it should be ignored

there are popular $300ish audio setups that for my situations I'd get the most utility out of by beating it with a hammer and using the cheap earbuds I have upstairs

[livid ruin]

pc37x, pc38x, hd 560s, alg k361, k371, fiio ft1, fiio ft3 (discounted on aliexpress, unless it’s region specific because it is for me around €200 incl. taxes)

low end planars are also interesting

[dull trout]

ft1 pro is also very nice

(got one)

[livid ruin]

unsure about those

at $180+

[dull trout]

should try it out

[livid ruin]

yeah

the most ideal would be if he has friend that collects headphones to try them out

[elder thistle]

lol

[lone flame]

not really aviable in Europe tho

[lone flame]

yes

except the EQability

THD

[dull trout]

eh its a planar headphone, its very easy to eq except if you particularly want crazy amount of bass

in which planar has never been strong at

[sick terrace]

none of that is true

[dull trout]

it is true lol

to get planar to perform well bass wise is to do something like hifiman does (closed front)

else you need eq the heck out of it

especially if you are someone looking for DD rumble

[sick terrace]

??

[dull trout]

could you at least elaborate why it isnt true lol

[sick terrace]

i've listened to dozens of different planars and both bass quantity and detail were strengths, not weaknesses

i can think of dynamic headphones with more bass than any planar i've listened to and electrostats i've listened to with more detailed bass, but nothing that has both

[lean grove]

@dull trout @sick terrace
You can have shit bass come from any driver. Planar, electrostatic, or dynamic.

Trying to categorize their behavior is useless because theres too many exceptions

[sick terrace]

i agree

[dull trout]

i never said any would have shit bass

its the implementation that matters, no?

the only thing i didn agree was planar eqability for ft1 pro, which is actually quite easy to eq

[sick terrace]

yeah i also agree on that. i don't see how thd is much of an issue

[lean grove]

I just don't see how it being a planar factors into it.

[sick terrace]

essentially all professionally recorded music is being saturated and clipped to shit to add harmonics. what's a little more gonna do

[dull trout]

well yakucho mentioned my comment on the ft1 pro being good except eqability, which is why i mentioned is a planar, and is quite eq friendly

thats it really

[lean grove]

And I'm saying that it being a planar is pretty irrelevant to how eqable it is.

That's it really

[calm tangle]

There's a point to be made about planars typically having ruler flat sub bass without any dropoff VS open back dynamic drivers that have more of a rolloff. They also tend to be really clean, though honestly distortion isn't usually a problem with headphone drivers at all.

So with planars VS dynamic open back headphones, planars often have more bass to "work with"

But then there are dynamic driver open back headphones that DO have similar bass, so it's not a unique thing. It's just more common.

One thing people often miss is the effects of leak and acouatic impedance on the actual sound you get on your head.

So that's worth considering

[lone flame]

FT1 Pro are shit to EQ

the THD is just really bad on these

Also to make sure to have proper seal on the FT1 Pro

the Planar bump can cause the driver to clip

(surely depends on the volume you listen to)

[lone flame]

Love to post this

this is my FT1 Pro unit

and it clips like hell

[dull trout]

have them replaced, its a known issue

you already have the data and testing

it shouldnt be behaving like that

[lone flame]

idk if FiiO fixed that

there is no information about it being fixed

[dull trout]

its a qc issue rather

for some replacing their unit solves them

mine doesnt have this issue so im good (for now)

some replaced it 3 times and still have the same issue

[lone flame]

so

no fix

[woven plank]

1. France
2. both, i dont really mind
3. i mainly do simracing but sometimes i play fps or arma
4. mainly metal and rock
5. i could learn how to use them
6. i don't really have preferences, tho i tried the Corsair Void Elite and i liked it, don't know if it's wireless version is good tho and i didnt try the mic

[dull trout]

qc side, nope

[lone flame]

personally. Wouldn't really take Jackson's word seriously.

he recommends stuff that is generlaly considered "bad"
and stuff that is generally "considered" good as bad

[lone flame]

How much are the Cloud III Wireless S for you?

[woven plank]

around 120-130 euros

[lone flame]

get that if you wann all in one and wireless

[buoyant vale]

personally. Wouldn't really take Yαкυснσ's word seriously.
he is scared of numbers

[lone flame]

what numbers?

[buoyant vale]

all of them I guess?

[lone flame]

you guess?

[buoyant vale]

Have you overcome your fear?

[lone flame]

If i knew what your'e talking about?

[elder thistle]

asking someone to give criteria for a headphone they might like is only a detriment to your word if you believe you can ignore these and decide what's "good" for them regardless of what they want

it doesn't really matter that you take to the frequency response path and will give advice based on it

you're allowed to believe that and use it for helping others

just, actually try to help others

[lone flame]

i did.

And from convos before i know that you tend to recommend not likely good stuff

[elder thistle]

how did you know he could use open backs without him telling you

I've met a hell of a lot of people who were upset with their 560s because they didn't block out noise

and it happens because of the kind of answer you gave

not a lot of people are going to learn a scientific field to realize that not all headphones block out noise

[lone flame]

its just. you recommendations are likely to be bad in a intersubjective way...

that all

bcs

what you like is irrelevant

so no MC 450 or so or K361

or or SHP9500

[elder thistle]

1. I'm surprised you can continue like the flaw I pointed out doesn't need addressed

2. I don't recommend headphones based on what I like

[lone flame]

i don't wanna have a convo with you anymore
we had it multiple times
you had it multiple times with others

yes you're in the right

be happy

bye

[elder thistle]

thanks. it should be noted that if you need wireless or a mic, I'll have a lot less ideas since I've tried barely anything like that. I also haven't used a corsair void elite

there are a few ways you could approach this. for the moment I'll be talking about some open backs since several such models I have could make sense here

[woven plank]

i don't mind if it isn't wireless, i'd just prefer wireless

[elder thistle]

oh ok

maybe someone else more knowledgeable on wireless products will have some models for that

[lone flame]

Cloud III Wireless S

[elder thistle]

metal music is one of the most taxing genres of music on a headphone when it comes to clarity and hearing each sound as an obvious and separate thing

[zenith pawn]

jackson slander is wild

[elder thistle]

some headphones overcome this by actually having a lot of clarity, and therefore making each sound separate and clear

and some headphones overcome this by hiding the loss of detail and giving a more gentle, vague presentation of the music

there are headphones that, as most people appear to experience it, mostly do neither of these things

[lone flame]

[elder thistle]

the 560s although cheap in europe, the akg k361 and 371, and some of the lower ohm beyerdynamics would generally fall into that category for metal

[lone flame]

FT1 better

K361 and K371 uncomfy and earpad issues

and that is intersubjective

[elder thistle]

for headphones aiming towards clarity, that's stuff like the new AT r50x, as well as the mc450. the r50x is the best (of the headphones I'll be mentioning) at revealing quiet details and making reverbs and guitar fx sound more vivid. the mc450 is the best at keeping the sounds separate and keeping as much of those sound's clarity as possible, and has an overall more realistic midrange, but it has weird tone and you should expect to use eq for that one.

[lone flame]

Define "clarity"

and "sound seperatrion" again as 100x before

it's NOT a headphone thing

[lone flame]

.

[warm scarab]

impulse response

[lone flame]

so u wanna tell that Sound seperation is impulse response?

[elder thistle]

for headphones that hide details a little bit and smooth things over (but not too much), the akg k702, beyer dt880 600 (or probably 250) ohm, and I suppose the fiio ft1 fit into this category. the k702 has big earcups and underpronounces quiet details the most. it also sounds very spacious, probably the most out of the headphones mentioned but there's meaningful variance between people's experience here. the dt880 600r is similar and with a little more quiet details, and very airy plus very tight bass. but it's hard to get loud without a cheap amp. the ft1 is very "in your face" and plasticky, with pretty tight bass and easy to get loud.

none of these have mics and all are wired

ft1 is also the only one that can meaningfully block out sound

maybe dt880 just slightly

and I can elaborate on any of these models or concepts

[lone flame]

aka FR and Phase?

[lone flame]

i think.
Acoustic Impedance and FR are very important and causes this stuff

[elder thistle]

congratulations

[lone flame]

but comfort, build are important for actually using stuff

[warm scarab]

a portion of it

[lone flame]

?

[warm scarab]

a portion of sound separation is impulse response yeah?

its audio you'd have to be a complete idiot to expect 1 phenomenon to be the result of 1 factor and measurement

[lone flame]

probably more Acoustic Impedance and FR

[warm scarab]

there isn't a reason it couldn't be due to 10 minor factors at the same time

you dont have to find a one word answer

[lone flame]

well

[warm scarab]

if you could tie stuff up like that which isnt distinct like frequency respone and group delay you could just reverse engineer what good audio is and measure what is the best headphone without ever listening

[lone flame]

high avoustic impedance on a headphones will have "little FR variation" even if different seatings etc are there

so its more consistent

[warm scarab]

i mean yeah but i dont understand how this is related to the discussion

[lone flame]

HRTF still exists

you could do that for a personalized headphone foryourself

[zenith pawn]

But that's just layering a second impulse response on top

they should just add together

[lone flame]

like here

no matter where you move it. HD800/s sounds "the same" from 10Hz-1000Hz

[steel escarp]

ft1 does not block out sound

to a meaningful degree

its not usable at the office

[broken grotto]

Its part of it.

Impulse response, frequency response, and phase all look at basically the same thing, but they serve different purposes.

Impulse response measures in the time domain, it shows how the system "rings" or reacts over time.

Frequency response measures the frequency domain, how it amplifies or attenuates each frequency. (We use magnitude response in audio)

Phase response shows the relative timing of different frequencies.

Both the frequency and phase response can be obtained from the Impulse response, by taking the fourier transform of the IR.

[sleek lily]

Frequency response unfortunately doesn't inherently cover any multi channel interactive behaviors. Separation should be more along the line of the amplitude transfer function I discussed and cross talk.

@broken grotto modified my home scope to vesa mount and got an arm at goodwill for $9

[elder thistle]

what if 1 ear is more than 1 channel

[sleek lily]

You mean one ear hears louder than the other ear?

[elder thistle]

no

you know how measurement mics dont seem to tell the whole story yes?

its possible we're overlooking some other part of the ear that modifies our perception of sound at the eardrum/cochlear

that would all be summed up somehow as a perceived mono signal

idk

[sleek lily]

I think we have a good understanding on hrtf. I think we have a good understanding on all of these things tbh. I think the audio space just doesn't use multi variable measurements enough imo.

Which makes sense

People want to sum things up to the simplest and easiest form when possible.

It's only a little problematic when that desire becomes the assumption that the simplification makes all other variables and axis not matter

[elder thistle]

I dont think its possible that the current research on audio perception and headphones has covered all the important bases

I should be able to create some kind of change in techs via eq

this hasnt worked

[sleek lily]

That's mainly because eq will only change amplitude on a frequency domain

It won't touch specific channel interactions or that device specific transfer curve

There probably are some digital tools to modify those axis, but I don't know about them. That'd be more an audio software technician thing tbh.

[elder thistle]

I havent measured a headphone that had meaningful bleed between channels

[broken grotto]

interestingly enough though, i suspect most of those "sound personalization," tools use impulse response

[sleek lily]

Headphones it's certainly less of an issue

Much bigger with speakers

[elder thistle]

presumptions of me to say meaningful, but -40 or -60db just seems silly

[broken grotto]

that is a very cheap looking o-scope

neat though

[humble willow]

Heyo, can someone suggest me some decent earbuds? I had bose quietcomforts until they started crackling, maybe theres a fix to it but idk. thanks!

[broken grotto]

more info is requried:

• wired or wireless?
• budget?
• features you must have?

[humble willow]

preferably wireless
butget is ~200 eur

ig something that has a "find my buds" or smth option would be nice but idk if there is one for 200€

[broken grotto]

I'm assuming you are on apple?

[humble willow]

not very smart on audio tech prices or tech prices in general

[humble willow]

android

[broken grotto]

nice

I haven't found too many wireless ones that I like, but the galaxy buds 3 pro have done pretty ok for me; i think they go on sale every now and then.

i think people like the buds 2 pro more, though.

the 3 pro's have that apple-style toothbrush appeal

[humble willow]

2 pros kinda look like JBL reflect aeros

personally i can't wear them because they make like a suction in my ear and i can't hear anything unless im on max volume

also hurt to use so :/

[broken grotto]

for the toothbrush style?

[humble willow]

what?

[broken grotto]

for the airpods style buds

they look like toothbrushes lol

[humble willow]

ig, im a bit confused cz i don't think we're talking about the same thing

[broken grotto]

well, the JBL's hurt?

[humble willow]

kinda yeah

[broken grotto]

sorry, that was a bad way to ask that lol

the airpod style ones (with the stems,) typically don't have as big of a comfort issue because they don't really go in your ear

that's been my experience, anyway.

but i've had mixed results with the eartips, so ANC strength varies

[humble willow]

dw that happens lol

idk i've never really used the airpod style or toothbrush in-ears

i've also heard of IEMs but idk, they sound more professional

/ out of my price range

[broken grotto]

i've used a lot of different wireless buds trying to find a pair i like and i typically use the buds 3 pro's because they work pretty seamlessly with a galaxy smartphone

I resolved the eartip thing using comply ones

but yeah, i dunno, those i've had the most success with. but i'll admit im not looking for audiophile quality out of wireless buds

[humble willow]

what wired ones would you reccommend tho?

[broken grotto]

for about $200 (at 200 euro you're more looking at like $230,) some of the top options out there nowadays are:

• letshour S12 (I daily those, they live in my bag)
• Meze Alba (incoming, someone gonna tell me im terrible and should sell all my gear)
• truthear hexa/nova something like that
• is the 7hz timeless still a thing?
• maybe the IE200's?

there's so many IEM's out there nowadays that i can hardly tell which ones are suggested or not anymore, i mostly am into the audio space to have fun listening to as many as possible

someone else can chime in and say what is objectively the best for 200 euros

[humble willow]

ig js like something playing in the background when im doing something, not really an audiophile or something like that

but i'll check them out, tysm

[bronze sequoia]

askin this in a few places, but I need a pair of powered bookshelf speakers soon for my record player. audioengine has a sale on an open box A2+ for $170 and was looking at the R1280DB but probably would wait to see if they're on sale. should I pick up the A2+ now or wait or get smth else entirely?

[lone flame]

I remember the Time where you thought you where in the right and Golden destroyed you
So i stepped down of taking your words "trustfully"

[lean grove]

A2+ are bad. Get whatever edifiers you can afford

[bronze sequoia]

alr, id heard some good stuff and seemed like a good enough deal to ask

[lean grove]

yeah nah. audioengine tunes their speakers to get as much bass out of that tiny little driver as possible which results in a massive bump and pretty much no extension.

they're small speakers, so its really hard to get a lot of bass from something that small

but the tricks audioengine does compromises the rest of the speaker

[bronze sequoia]

assumed so, size idrc about so I just want as much value as I can get

I haven't really looked a whole lot since I wasn't gonna buy till later in the year probably

[bronze sequoia]

would eBay certified refurb R1280DBs be good to pick up? they're $130 so would save me $30 if I bought now

[lean grove]

check the seller's ratings and see if they offer returns.
and then make that judgement call for yourself if you think that a warranty is worth $30 to you.

sometimes refurb stuff can be more likely to work than brand new stuff simply because they have to have someone go through and confirm its working and in order

[bronze sequoia]

i don't really know if speakers usually have things that need warranty claims

didn't worry about it with headphones cause ik i coulda just gotten a new set of drivers if they were messed up

[lean grove]

well they have electronics inside of them.

[lean grove]

were they hifimans

[bronze sequoia]

beyers

[lean grove]

wack

[bronze sequoia]

dt 177x go from a friend

so I trusted him

[lean grove]

oh yeah those 💀

[bronze sequoia]

he got a pair of aryas and didn't need these anymore so got a good price on them

[lean grove]

speakers are pretty durable and hard to fuck up. it would probably be cosmetic damage or something wrong with the electronics

[bronze sequoia]

assumed so

[bronze sequoia]

wait it has a warranty through someone at least cause it's eBay certified

[lean grove]

good deal

[broken grotto]

a lot of the thing is, most of the stuff that gets talked about in Audio is explainable with more basic (sometimes advanced, too,) signals and systems.

which is just mathematics.

[green marsh]

the problem is some people think they know more than they actually do

[warm scarab]

problem is if information could directly mean 1 thing in a way we could calculate it we wouldn't have arguments over headphones and could just make the perfect headphones and call it a day

its rarely that

there are tens of factors that overlap in ways you cant predict which determine the final outcome of a headphone's sound

[green marsh]

and some people purposefully miscontrue things they read to suit their own needs

definitely not talking about someone in particular

[broken grotto]

this still falls under signals and systems, just the much more complicated side. They call it the head related transfer function for a reason

[lean grove]

the problem is that some people have preconceived expectations of how something should act, and then find something to justify their beliefs

[warm scarab]

i mean sure but aside from noticing whether something is particularly fucked or not

I dont think these measurements provide as much knowledge as people make them out to be

[broken grotto]

I honestly don't disagree at all, sometimes i've heard headphones that people say are awful and i enjoy them just fine.

[warm scarab]

there is shit like susvara and some dumbass in ief will tell you hd600 has more bass than that

[broken grotto]

but also just that, for the most part, trying to argue that the systems-related measurements you are taking without understanding what they actually mean is pointless.

[warm scarab]

I don't blame that person for being a dumbass but it goes to show there is more than volume in terms of someone's perception of bass

because numerically speaking he is wrong

but one sounds bassier to the guy and the other doesnt even if data shows otherwise

[green marsh]

psychoacoustics go brr

[lean grove]

klaus activated his own almonds

[warm scarab]

its not psychoacoustics but its a planar vs dynamic thing

[lean grove]

he's in one of his ptsd flashbacks just let him peeter out

[warm scarab]

even if you have a lot of bass on a planar because of the impulse response people tend to call it limp or lacking in bass

[green marsh]

lmao

[warm scarab]

i fucking hate listener so much

[broken grotto]

who's listener now lol

[lean grove]

there's also an argument to be made of whether the measurements are even audibly relevant.

[warm scarab]

some dude who sucks up to everyone in audio servers to become a moderator

[broken grotto]

i wonder if this is a misunderstanding of the dB measurements they use

[warm scarab]

worst part he succeeded so now he hackbans anyone he dislikes from the network of servers he moderates

I know at least 10 dudes who have been banned from servers they have never joined including headphones.com because listener is a mod in there

[green marsh]

i mean thats just how it works

its a network

[warm scarab]

i dont think you need to occupy your staff positions with egoistic manchildren with power complexes

[green marsh]

and also most of them would have been banned naturally regardless

[warm scarab]

if they are in sg

I honestly cant say I disagree

but I know some blokes who aren't

[green marsh]

relatively speaking listeners chilled out some i think

[warm scarab]

he permamuted me for arguing susvara is more resolving than hd600

[lean grove]

no. I just think that we have equipment capable of making measurements that are beyond what the human brain and ear can perceive. and it causes people to nitpick on things that aren't all that important.

and yes, the line of "what the human brain and ear can percieve" is different for all sorts of people. some people are capable of percieving things that aren't even there.

[warm scarab]

my brain is currently perceiving nils is pretty dumb

[lean grove]

like i said, some people are capable of perceiving things that aren't even there.

[warm scarab]

why dont you perceive some bitches instead

[green marsh]

my brain percieves 100 pb/s of information

[lean grove]

klaus, when you finally muster up the courage to leave that subterranean cave you call home you will learn that one can do far more than perceive bitches.

[warm scarab]

rev engine

[lone flame]

Physics

[lone flame]

Griffin Silver

he knows ALOT about the science behind Headphones

[lone flame]

huh?

[lone flame]

Because he knows what he's talking about

and he's also always up to date

"Planar vs Dynamic"

doesn't matter in terms of sound

espacially in bass

[green marsh]

well one generally extends relatively flat

and one rolls off a lot

[lone flame]

well yeah

but you can have a rolloff Planar too

and a somewhat "flat" extension DD

itsp probably driver size

[lean grove]

its just not a worthwhile distinction because there's too many exceptions

[lone flame]

yeah

[warm scarab]

going off of exception so prove points isnt helpful discourse

you could bunch of 99% of hifimans to be one way than the other

[lean grove]

only thing thats near universal about planars is that they can handle a lot more power than dynamics.

[warm scarab]

same with audeze

same with goldplanar

[lean grove]

goldplanar

okay zeos

[warm scarab]

it fits in the criteria fuck you

[lone flame]

be kind please

[warm scarab]

no

[lone flame]

so no insults, treat everyone with respect

[green marsh]

fuck you

[warm scarab]

fuck you dude

[lean grove]

he's medically incapable of being kind he has a condition

[warm scarab]

yakucho is an ableist

[lone flame]

??? dafuq?

why that xD

[lone flame]

for real?

[warm scarab]

im reading between the lines and he litearlly just said "i hate the disabled"

cant believe this guy

[lone flame]

whaaat? the fffffckkkk

[warm scarab]

wtf language please

[lone flame]

false information.
i don't mind if people are disabled or so

[lean grove]

yeah he's eastern european

and im afraid its terminal

[lone flame]

[warm scarab]

how tf am i an eastern european

this isnt accurate genetically nor geographically

[green marsh]

ikr

[lean grove]

you're turkish arent you

[warm scarab]

like

1% of the country is in europe

[lone flame]

yeah...

[warm scarab]

and my dad is german

[lean grove]

thats pretty east if you ask me

[warm scarab]

so this info isnt accurate

[warm scarab]

its in asia

[lone flame]

its not europe

[lean grove]

east

[warm scarab]

no

its western asia

[green marsh]

central eurasia

[warm scarab]

its not central wtf

i mean ig like the very east of the country is partially in there but i dont think thats central

yea i dont think its in the center

[lean grove]

sounds like cope

[green marsh]

thats all that matters

[warm scarab]

if thats the case then its an european country

because the westmost part is in europe

[warm scarab]

get owned

also why is the central asia not in central asia

this confuses me

[broken grotto]

and how do you model physics?

[lone flame]

why is China only one timezone and if you leave it to central asia you have a 3hrs difference xD

[green marsh]

magic

[green marsh]

china stealing all the space

[broken grotto]

that's how @lone flame sees it methinks

but, everything still falls under signals and systems; even the mechanics and electrical properties of the transducer.

sound separation by undoing convolutions, correcting headphones by inverting the frequency response, and the coil-magnet physics of the driver, in which it's impedance shaping the response.

all of it falls under signals and systems theory.

[warm scarab]

i cast silence idiots

wow nils stopped talking

[broken grotto]

i bet most could even tell me why we generally want to sample at 44kHz, when humans only hear to about 20kHz.

[broken grotto]

that was kinda mean lol

[warm scarab]

its 2 samples per frequency, pretty sufficient headroom

it was previously 41

so you had 100 samples you could do anything with just in case

[lean grove]

nah he's just mad that i nailed him with this juicer

[broken grotto]

sure, you pretty much have it; there's a theory there, though.

[warm scarab]

yeah

i remember my audio engineering teacher telling me about it

but i aint listenning to allat

[broken grotto]

lol

[green marsh]

in order to recreate a signal perfectly the sampling rate must be at least 2x the frequency

[broken grotto]

good ol' Nyquist.

also sometimes called the Nyquist-Shannon Sampling Theorem

[green marsh]

indeed

which is why anything above 44khz is useless

[broken grotto]

you see 48kHz in broadcast

mostly because it's easily divisible by 24, which was a common framerate

[stuck bolt]

Wjat

Did that guy say anything above 44k is useless

[left verge]

Fully switched now
I thought FLAC would be storage hungry, but no
120 songs, and most of them are either 24bit 96-192khz, only 4gb

[stuck bolt]

Oh

Weird, my flac files are pretty big

I got 36GB in flac music

[left verge]

How many files?

[stuck bolt]

a lot

deleting a few

WOW

take it easy bud

[left verge]

Like a thousand?

[stuck bolt]

tbh I don't know how may individual tracks i got

[sleek lily]

I wouldn’t say Golden “destroyed” me. What really happened is he dismissed a measurement he asked me to take because it wasn’t perfectly set up. I don’t fully agree with his reasoning, but I also see how the test could be improved with a buffer like Lin suggested.

The main critique was that I used a potentiometer, which technically alters the RC filter. That’s true to a degree, but since I was measuring amplitude dependence at a fixed frequency, the ratio should remain consistent. The RC cutoff frequency is:

fc = 1 / (2 * pi * R * C)
|H(f)| = (f/fc) / sqrt(1 + (f/fc)^2)

These are frequency-dependent, not amplitude-dependent. The potentiometer will shift our thevenan equivalent resistance with amplitude, but not enough to push the circuit into a massif frequency cutoff region, and even if it did, we would see a fixed function of nonlinearity. A buffer would make the setup more ideal, but the underlying behavior should still be essentially linear.

Another objection was my use of a square wave. I chose that because it stresses power delivery more, which can better highlight non-linearities from the power delivery side of the system. That said, it’s also reasonable to ask for sine wave data for comparison. But dismissing results entirely just because the “wrong” stimulus was used seems excessive.

His last point was that this type of idea has “never been explored,” which isn’t true. Transfer curves are a well-established concept, even if he personally hasn’t run into them.

To be clear, I’m not saying my test was perfect. My point is that the goal of scientific discussion should be to share ideas, refine methods, and challenge each other constructively. If your approach is to treat it like a debate and try to “destroy” the concepts or measurements you don’t agree with, you’re doing something wrong. The aim should never be to silence the point you disagree with, but to test it, improve it, or show where it doesn’t hold.

[stuck bolt]

[lone flame]

If you allow me to quote his stuff

#audio-tech message

or that link to directly jump to the messages

[zenith pawn]

Lmfao

[sick terrace]

for listening, yeah. something tells me you knew that though lol

[sleek lily]

That's my point. That's not scientific discourse, that's childish debate tactics. Calling someone a troll isn't a mathematical or conceptual reason to dismiss a measurement.

[lone flame]

Is that only one or two persons?

[sleek lily]

A scientific discussion should involve math and science, not insults and spam.

[lone flame]

Well... Seems like HE and others TRIED to explain stuff to you

but it seems to be that you where to stubborn to read and understand what they wrote

Like. You can all read it there

[sleek lily]

The point in a scientific discussion should never be "gotchas" or to convince the people who don't get what's being discussed, but just to discuss the concepts at play.

[lone flame]

Yeah but if he ALREADY (and others) tried to explain stuff to you. And you don't listen or try to understand it.
Why should he keep trying it?

Im 100% sure he has better stuff to do rather than speaking against a wall that not even reflects the spoken words..

[sleek lily]

Maybe he does, but that doesn't change how an academic discussion should proceed.

[lone flame]

Seems like you don't even read what i write

Golden said that the TRIED to explain this stuff to you.
But you have not listened or tried to understand

so he already HAD a "academic discussion" with you.

like here

[warm scarab]

its useless for playback

[stuck bolt]

I make music

And not really, I think anything above 48 is over doing it. 96. Is as high as I'd allow anyone to talk about being able to "hear" something

44.1 and 48 are standard though

And 44.1 kHz at 16 bit sounds different enough to 48khz at 24 bit.

Again, i make music, I've heard the difference when I export my projects.

[zenith pawn]

what in the linux-ass font rendering

[zenith pawn]

this dude has a messed up or missing dither filter 🧌

[stuck bolt]

Possibly

[warm scarab]

[stuck bolt]

Since I now pay for apple music, I didn't see the need to continue to download music

[zenith pawn]

now i am a cd ripper

[broken grotto]

the 48kHz 24 bit allows for more headroom with filter design.
most of the time you won't hear a direct extension because most humans can't perceive above 20kHz. That's the only thing why higher than 44.1kHz is kind of pointless, but 48kHz is also very common.

the 16 versus 24 bit thing is about dynamic range, where 16 bit gives you.. i think 96dB, where 24 bit has 144dB.

[stuck bolt]

I should get myself tested again, but I cop out at 17 or 18 k

Definitely more dynamic range in 24 bit, when I do get the chance to record something of 32 bit recorders, its almost magical

[broken grotto]

I still have yet to try a tube amp

maybe i buy the vali 3

[green marsh]

nah stay away from hybrids

especially the cheap ones

[dapper dome]

Any audiophiles here wanna help me spend $200-$300?
My ath-m50x’s broke yesterday at a LAN. Got damaged during travel

[green marsh]

consider a hd600

[stuck bolt]

Oh

[dapper dome]

I’ve definitely been eyeing the hd 6xx’s from Massdrop. $180 seems like one hell of a deal

[stuck bolt]

https://a.co/d/9BLaF68

[green marsh]

if you want closed consider ft1 unless you want something durable

[warm scarab]

tf is this

[green marsh]

and then consider dt770 and some eq

[stuck bolt]

Headphones

[warm scarab]

lets not recommend dt770 ok guys

[green marsh]

consider sonys

[stuck bolt]

I was about to say

[green marsh]

the studio ones

[warm scarab]

yeah like wtf

[green marsh]

hey they wont break on him like the ats did

[dapper dome]

I am unfortunately a server hoarder and all my rack equipment is mildly loud- so honestly I’m open to close back. But I really like open back but ofc am worried about noise

[broken grotto]

i tried a pair and returned them the same day

and im not even picky

[green marsh]

770s are overhated frfr

[stuck bolt]

Semi open back

[warm scarab]

i was listening to my moondrop arias on the way to demo dt770

[stuck bolt]

Check it

[warm scarab]

and like

they were considerably worse than the aryas

[green marsh]

i mean ive never heard them with stock pads

so 🤷‍♂️

[dapper dome]

The m50x’s lasted me almost exactly a decade. Honestly I thought pretty good

[dapper dome]

My older brother has tried these and I’ve heard them, but no amp. They seemed like they needed an amp

[broken grotto]

yea you always need an amp, even for IEM's, totally

(i am joking)

[stuck bolt]

Had these since 2016

[warm scarab]

they dont need one unless its the 600 ohm version

[broken grotto]

the uneven adjustment makes me mad

[dapper dome]

Probably was, he for some reason felt like more resistance = better quality (at the time) lmao

[stuck bolt]

Lol, I just threw them on my bass for the Pic

[warm scarab]

to be fair it kind of is since higher impedance is easier to drive but harder to get volume out of

[dapper dome]

So the old asf 6xx’s are still the recommended for that pricerange? And then closed is just the ft1

[warm scarab]

if you got an amp id get the edition xs

[dapper dome]

Edition xs?

[stuck bolt]

Y'all sleeping on my recommendations

[green marsh]

i mean

youre not wrong

[warm scarab]

yeah

[stuck bolt]

[warm scarab]

but its subjective

[dapper dome]

Napping is a strong suite

[green marsh]

if youre listening to audio there is an amp somewhere

[broken grotto]

true

[dapper dome]

Sorry I’m unfamiliar with these. The xs of the ft1?

[sick terrace]

hifiman

[stuck bolt]

@dapper dome I had those the same time I had the m50x and I gave my mom the m50x

[warm scarab]

hifiman edition xs

[green marsh]

thats not exactly a strong recommendation

[stuck bolt]

They sound better then the m50x

[green marsh]

.

[stuck bolt]

[broken grotto]

are the drop + meze 99 noir's awful?

[dapper dome]

Moondrop dawn pro amp with these? So right around $300 total for the setup

balance cable or nah?

[green marsh]

id say so

[warm scarab]

dawn pro?

[broken grotto]

no idea why you'd buy those with the FT1 around i suppose but

[warm scarab]

do you own the dawn pro or

[dapper dome]

nah

[broken grotto]

they look nice

[green marsh]

fiio ka11>

[stuck bolt]

@dapper dome what are the use cases for your headphones

[warm scarab]

i dont know the dawn pro but given moondrops track record on amps im skeptical

[dapper dome]

If I’m being honest with myself, Im a pretty casual gamer. I game, and listen to Spotify. Nothing insanely high quality, nothing super fancy.

Lots of Discord where I’m at the whims of compression and others beautiful $5 usb mics

;)

[warm scarab]

would you rather have better sound quality or better directionality

[stuck bolt]

[dapper dome]

I think I would rather have better sound quality

[warm scarab]

okay

[stuck bolt]

Still think this is a good pair

[warm scarab]

then i can recommend xs again

[dapper dome]

I am willing to be convinced otherwise

[warm scarab]

or the 6xx if you want ig

[stuck bolt]

Buy both

Buy all 3

[warm scarab]

id rather perish before ath closed backs

[stuck bolt]

They're semi open back

Not actually fully closed or open

[broken grotto]

buy all of the headphones

[dapper dome]

Whats the sell on the xs over 6xx? And for those two options I essentially always need an amp. So what amp?

[sick terrace]

if the hd58x or hd6xx are anywhere near as comfy as the hd800s i think either of those would be a safe bet

[warm scarab]

im unsure about xs without an amp over 6xx

[lone flame]

Sometimes higher samplerates in music production CAN help, or can sound different with some plugins. (idk why)
You render it with it. and compress it to 44.1kHz 16Bit or 24Bit

[dapper dome]

That was another tidbit I’m curious about- coming from the m50x’s, should I really feel like spending so much?

[lone flame]

So sounds the same

[dapper dome]

Would the hd58x’s be “good enough”

[stuck bolt]

No

[sick terrace]

some plugins don't oversample and alias at lower sample rates. i think waves is pretty famous for this

[stuck bolt]

I agree

[warm scarab]

I personally hated the m50x

so idk

i would

[warm scarab]

who tf in sound production uses 44.1

in a project

[stuck bolt]

I use 48

[green marsh]

people overstate the requirements of having an amp

[warm scarab]

still kinda low imo but okay

[lone flame]

fr. Soundcloud Rappers

[sick terrace]

i mean it doesn't matter that much unless you're slowing down recordings

[stuck bolt]

I got a shit laptop

[warm scarab]

fair

[green marsh]

apple dongle will have 90% of headphones loud enough and sounding good enough

[lone flame]

have seen some pople using low sample rates

[dapper dome]

I do currently power them using a USB-C adapter. Those old iPhone ones

[warm scarab]

which is not something unusual at all

[lone flame]

US version tho

[sick terrace]

i know but some people don't do it at all

[green marsh]

lol eurocopers bring the percentage down to 75% probably

[warm scarab]

its mandatory for matching beats using audio clips you have

[lone flame]

iirc EU dongle has 50% of US dongle performance xD

[dapper dome]

Am I going to be unhappy with the background noise with the 6xx’s?

[stuck bolt]

My recommendation are what they are because ive been using them for the past 10 years. Would buy my headphones again if I had to

[warm scarab]

depends on the background noise

[lone flame]

so take Apple Dongle and make it 50%

[sick terrace]

?

[green marsh]

which is still enough for a vast majority of headphones

[dapper dome]

as mentioned, I am a server hoarder. So server fans ;)

Compared to the m50x’s *

[green marsh]

just put the servers in a different room

[lone flame]

that yes!
EQing will become a lil challanging tho

[warm scarab]

take off your headphones and tell me if you are annoyed

[green marsh]

eq is even more cope

[dapper dome]

Yeah

Pretty much always

[warm scarab]

ok dont get xs then lol

[green marsh]

buy etymotics then

[dapper dome]

It’s not horrible, but time + fans = headache in the making

[stuck bolt]

Noise canceling headphones

[broken grotto]

IEM's

[lone flame]

AKA good sound isolation?

[warm scarab]

in ears might be the play yeah

[lone flame]

like FT1?

[green marsh]

er2se

[warm scarab]

if your ears arent easily irritated by them

[green marsh]

ft1 is not good sound isolation

[stuck bolt]

I retract my recommendation, as they feel pretty open despite not being fully open back

[lone flame]

imo for a over ear it does a nice job

[warm scarab]

i dont think m50x is excellent either

and he doesnt get bothered with that

[dapper dome]

I wear Airpods pros for 6-12hours a day already, it’s not uncomfortable but I would rather have overhear I think

[green marsh]

airpod max 😈

[stuck bolt]

Over hear is better

[dapper dome]

The m50x’s were tolerable at best for noise imo, not horrible

[dapper dome]

seriously considered it lmao

but nah

[green marsh]

lol

they are pretty eh

comfort is a bit off and the sound is mediocre

[dapper dome]

I’d be happy with comparable to m50x’s again, but slightly quieter wouldn’t hurt

[lone flame]

Max5c better

[green marsh]

anc and transparancy mode is unbeaten tho

[lone flame]

APP3 when?

[stuck bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/trade-offer-dungeons-and-fakultet-gif-24324825

[warm scarab]

augh

someone check ft1 noise isolation vs m50x in rtings

[dapper dome]

The variety of suggestions I’m receiving makes me wonder how many of these commenters are Chatbots

/j

[stuck bolt]

I also have these for work.

I recommend what I use

[dapper dome]

Nice headphones- I bet the purr quality is unmatched

get those plastic cups off it tho

disrespectful that

[stuck bolt]

He's my backdrop

Anyways, the sound quality is good, passable when I'm working on the table saw or other tools

ANC is decent as well

[warm scarab]

this is honestly the first time ive seen this many people giving advice at once

odd

[stuck bolt]

For really loud machines I use earplugs and my headphones

[warm scarab]

cant second this advice since he games

[dapper dome]

People like spending money, hence why I proposed my question the way I did

[stuck bolt]

I spent my money

[stuck bolt]

Oh

[lone flame]

left side M50x right side FT1

[stuck bolt]

@dapper dome are you prioritizing isolation?

[lone flame]

here graph @warm scarab

[dapper dome]

The longer I think about it yeah, but originally no

[warm scarab]

yea ft1 is like

very acceptable then

[hearty vine]

What's the cheapest headphone amp to buy for a he400se? I already have an apple usd type c to 3.5 but I want more volume

[dapper dome]

Me when I never go above 10%

[lone flame]

KA11 i guess?

[warm scarab]

i think ft1 will be my advice if we are locked to closed backs

[dapper dome]

Fio fr1 right?

Ft*

[warm scarab]

yeah

[lone flame]

If you want closed back OVER EAR!

IEMs will have WAY better sound isolation

[hearty vine]

I was more looking for an amp

[lone flame]

K11?

[dapper dome]

hmmm

But the comfort of overear is hard to beat

[stuck bolt]

True

[lone flame]

espacially if you have a Capra Strap for the FT1

[green marsh]

i would like to float the mdr 7506

[dapper dome]

so I guess I’ll ask this- what are my tradeoffs for the similar price range? Is comfort vs noise reduction the only tradeoff for overear/Iem?

[stuck bolt]

Do you really wanna go through the hassle of buying an amp as well@dapper dome

[warm scarab]

i wouldnt

[stuck bolt]

[dapper dome]

If you guys believe it will meaningfully impact my long term listening experience, I would be happy to spend the time and money on an AMP

[green marsh]

knob adds 100% sound quality

[stuck bolt]

Pads on headphones make the biggest change in quality over amps and dacs

[dapper dome]

I coped with the m50x’s literally crushing my ears against my skull for a decade so

Fairly tolerant in that regard- not opposed to more comfort tho

[lone flame]

FT1 has okay space inside imo

[dapper dome]

I should send a pic of these. You guys will cringe lmao

[lone flame]

my ears touch the earpads

[sleek lily]

I’m not sure what he meant by “the last 2 days.” The discussion only happened once in another server over a single day. It started out theoretical, with me going over the math. He then said he didn’t want the discussion to continue unless it could be demonstrated with a real-world example, so I took measurements and continued from there.

There wasn’t any explanation beyond that. The explanations he later gave for why he didn’t like the test, I’ve already broken down, pointing out which parts are valid and which parts aren’t, and why.

[lone flame]

not huge fan of that

[warm scarab]

i think ft1 still

you want isolation anmd decent sound

its both

and you dont really need an amp

[dapper dome]

There is an indentation on the inside of my pads where my ear sits

[warm scarab]

you get to keep your money

[green marsh]

ft1 will be the best sounding but it has some build issues

[sleek lily]

And even that isn't done to shut down conversation. It's simply done to steer an academic discussion in the right direction.

[warm scarab]

where does the ft1 snap from

[lone flame]

Where did i wrote "the last 2 days"?

[sleek lily]

As I stated before, you're doing something wrong if you treat academic discussion like a personal debate.

[green marsh]

the part where the yoke meets the headband

[sleek lily]

He did

[dapper dome]

Also yeah. Wore the leather off of these- cope

[warm scarab]

which one? @green marsh

[lone flame]

upper circle

[warm scarab]

intersting

[lone flame]

but Hinge is fixed by now

[green marsh]

the one thats between the yoke and the headband

[dapper dome]

Enough to be worried about breaking? I am not the most careful but I am somewhat sane

[stuck bolt]

Again @dapper dome my recommendation is off experience. I daily my headphones, hence the recommendation.

[warm scarab]

elaborate

[lone flame]

They changed this screw

[stuck bolt]

Nice mouse pad

[warm scarab]

oh

well there you go @dapper dome

[dapper dome]

lttstore.com

[warm scarab]

no more snap according to yakucho

[stuck bolt]

Nice

[green marsh]

i believe i saw one that was supposedly the new version that had snapped but i could be wrong

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/locote-gif-18404685476945988779

[green marsh]

they changed it from a screw that would unscrew since they didnt loctite it well enough to a pin and retaining clip

[dapper dome]

So not too fragile then eh?

[lone flame]

mine didnt snap

and i have FT1 and FT1 Pro with the old hinge

[green marsh]

also one guy had his just shear off when delivered

[lone flame]

so

[warm scarab]

thats funny

[lone flame]

FT1/FT1 Pro QC is uhh

questionable

but FiiO is pretty good with customer service

[dapper dome]

Is the pro worth the $100 cost jump? Pro is technically within budget at $220.

[lone flame]

its open back and planar

[green marsh]

pro is a completely different model

[dapper dome]

Ah

[lone flame]

so absolutly different headphone xD

[green marsh]

dont know why they kept the ft1 name

[dapper dome]

Sorry, bad assumption on my part

[green marsh]

its kind of stupid

[lone flame]

nah its just bad naming

[warm scarab]

pro is open back

[lone flame]

like Sony

[warm scarab]

you dont want open back

[stuck bolt]

Does anyone have the headphones they're recommending?

[warm scarab]

since server room

i dont own a pair of ft1 personally no

[lone flame]

i have FT1

[warm scarab]

why would I downgrade

but they did sound nice

for a closed back

[lone flame]

i like FT1 more than E3 and NoireX

[warm scarab]

ive no idea what either of those are

[lone flame]

DCA E3 and DCA NoireX

[warm scarab]

is dca dan clark audio

[lone flame]

yes

[warm scarab]

yea ive no idea

[stuck bolt]

Will buy when I have extra cash

[lone flame]

E3 are considered "best closed back on the market"

they sound good

but i liked FT1 more

E3 Treble is really nice so... WAY better than FT1

[sleek lily]

That quote isn't in MLA format

[stuck bolt]

https://a.co/d/b9OUBba

These @lone flame

[sleek lily]

Improper citation

[lone flame]

yes

[lone flame]

its just what the community says

[dapper dome]

I did also look into the Song WH-1000XM4/5/6 and considered the extra $200

[lone flame]

so its not based on science or so. Just by bunch of people's opinion

[stuck bolt]

Its the same price as my recommendation

So will check it

[sleek lily]

You gotta quote each one

Each and every one of them

[lone flame]

also they measure really well 😄

[lone flame]

uhhh. no

[stuck bolt]

Anyways, gonna game

Later

[lone flame]

have fun 😄

[dapper dome]

fio ft1, no amp (Apple dongle) and Mannyo mentioned earpads- worth the extra?

I presume earpads will marginally contribute to noise

[lone flame]

i like the stock earpads

comfy, sound good, and only cost 10 bucks a pair

[warm scarab]

i dont think this is well measuring with that bass dip and the treble shelf

[lone flame]

treble shelf? just a spiced up 5-8kHz

[warm scarab]

shelfed from 5khz

minus shelfed from 8khz

get owned

[lone flame]

fck

BUT

you said it in SINGULAR!

not Plural up there!

[warm scarab]

language barrier

[lone flame]

valid....

fck

[dapper dome]

So, 10% loss in volume using a worse amp? Do I gain any more quality spending $50-$100 extra on an AMP?

[lone flame]

imo no

nothing that is really worth

except you want a specific caracteristics of an AMP

like tube amps have

[dapper dome]

also these are comparably priced to the m50x’s, are they an upgrade?

[warm scarab]

ft1?