audio-tech

[west chasm]

ill need to look at some more stuff.. not as easy as i thought 😄 thank you

[tawny python]

jq 4u pro or something like the crin red? both for the same price

asking because one is a more expensive, older iem, but "good quality doesn't degrade"
at the same time iems advance so quickly

[elder thistle]

that looks like the hd6xx

not quite, but same idea

[lean grove]

definitely not a 6xx

[livid ruin]

is that koss

[left verge]

Turtle beach

[livid ruin]

not that bad for turtle beach

[left verge]

7y old headset

But i'm using an eq, so it's better

[warm scarab]

based

[warm scarab]

mad cuz bad

[lone flame]

Cheapest.

XM8500 or C1
Vocaster One as interface

[molten lotus]

I got moon drop ultrasonics today. Overall pretty nice but definitely heard better headphones.

[glad creek]

Yeah most people will never need anything better than what they offer

[lone flame]

imo throw the UM2 away

and get a Vocaster One instead

may be 16€ more but the Mic performance is FAR better

[primal fulcrum]

Does smartphones still assume there is a microphone on the wired in-ear headphones if you connect them; & hence would the phone still try to use the non-existing microphone on them for voip calls like snapchat

or does it understand the difference & just put the audio into the wired headphones & keep using the built in microphone in your Android phone?

by wired I mean 3,5mm

not "usb-c"

[buoyant vale]

The phone should be able to work it out, they will have different connectors

[broken grotto]

The phone should be able to figure it out, but if you're trying to use a TRRS cable without a mic (not sure how, but ykno), it could assume there's a microphone input.

I know i have some TRRS interconnects for Hart audio, and those would do something like that.

[quiet ice]

tesla cybertruck sound system lol

[fathom elm]

is the Rig 700 pro good

[glad creek]

Speaking of tesla sound system
I have a tesla model 3 sr and there are lots of speakers not plugged in that are plugged in on the LR one

I need to see how to plug them, if tesla could do it for me etc

[zenith pawn]

Wait I think that's the same song my friend had me try on my iems

it made them crackle from the subbass

[pastel granite]

I'm looking for 2 speakers to get for my desk. The budget (total) would be about 150€. Any recommendations?

[granite drum]

yes you can, and dunno if it ashows up as is device ain asio4all or in the steinberg asio driver theni think you can do asio with it..

that razr is a usb webcam

aand if you think about it ,... a mic plugged into a external audio dac , that plugs into usb , can do asio , baut a mic that plugs into usb can't? what kind of logic would that be

[warm scarab]

good luck with live recording without direct monitoring

[granite drum]

if you use linux with pipewire and an RT kernel you can ... so its not a hardware limitation

[warm scarab]

what if you dont use linux lol

too bad ig no recordinng for you

[granite drum]

on windows you should be able to aswell now that i think about it , its not live but anything under 1ms is not noticable so

or guitar rig wouldnt be a product ...

[warm scarab]

im pretty sure this is a hardware limitation when you have to send signal to the pc and back

direct monitoring is supposed to be directly receiving the input to outout

[granite drum]

well yeah but if that happens under 1ms its not noticable , and guitar rig even does the proccessing in that time.

[warm scarab]

is it under 1ms though?

I don't know about that

[granite drum]

depends on the samplerate and the buffersize and what your cpu can handle

[warm scarab]

if you are in recording at upper samplesizes i doubt you will be getting a good real time listening experience

[granite drum]

thats where those high samplerates come in handy, as for the same buffersize ,double the smaplerate means half the latency

(and double the load on the cpu)

and you would have to have the entire chain in asioland, using tools like voicemeeter and vbcable's asiobridge eg might come in handy if going that route

or JACK2+ASIO, but i dont know if thats still popular these days

i used it allot but as it worked really easy to link stuff toghether

[granite drum]

and that is why?

because i recon its a better real time experience if you cpu can handle it

[warm scarab]

ig if you have a good gpu and its not a large project you can probably but im doubtful that will remain the same way without increasing the buffer as your projects start getting larger

[granite drum]

linux has rt kernels for that, windows hasnt unfortunatly , the closest it has is this option , and set it to optimize for background services

and secondly , your not doing vocals with a full project running , so either they are stems already or your doing them in advance depending on the genre

maybe a better point to make is this , if your setting up a professional studdio this prolly isnt the way to set things up , but if your looking to make the most out of the stuff you already have and what you can afford /are willing to put into it, there is no reason why it cannot work

[warm scarab]

his usb mic costed more than an audio interface and 2 other mics combined

[modest bloom]

Hello! I'm looking to buy some earbuds with good ANC and im thinking between these two:

1. Soundcore Liberty 4 NC
2. CMF Buds 2 Plus

Both are around the same price and i've watched a tons of reviews but i'm really confused since users on reddit say this, reviews on youtube say that and some websties say something else

[sleek lily]

Starting a discussion and putting forward a challenge

I personally don’t believe frequency response encapsulates everything that determines how headphones or speakers sound, but I know some people do, so here’s a challenge: consider measurable factors like interaural time differences, interaural level differences, cross channel interaction, step response, bandwidth, nonlinearity, intermodulation distortion, channel matching, crosstalk, load interactions, and any other objective behaviors you can identify.

Try to fit all of these into a model where FR alone explains the listening experience. If you can’t, please play with and consider the idea that maybe these other measurable factors play a significant or even larger role in what we actually hear.

To be clear, this is meant to encourage deeper thought and to force people to challenge their beliefs. This is not meant to say anyone's beliefs are wrong, or to attack any beliefs.
If anyone would like any help understanding any of the ideas I proposed or is unaware of their definition, feel free to ask, and do not feel as if it is wrong to not already know some of these phrases off the top of your head.

I won’t say what’s right or wrong, but here’s another thought experiment. Suppose you only know a system’s frequency response, FR(f), and the system is nonlinear in amplitude. Can you compute the total output for an arbitrary input by summing or integrating FR(f) across all infinitesimal voltage steps for all input voltages, without knowing the amplitude-dependent transfer function? Think about what this implies for relying on FR alone to predict real-world behavior.

(This one is more complex and if you don't understand integral calculus I recommend ignoring it and focusing only on the first thought experiment)

[broken grotto]

I have worked this out, so if anyone wants to discuss it with me, feel free to @me and find a time to discuss.

[verbal fog]

i got one of these

they are NOT it

if my weaker amp has 20wpc i cant fathom what this thing has

it showed me the true meaning of clipping

and the vu meters suck and the volume goes to 30

it sounds noticeably nicer out of my phone

my headphones*

[lean grove]

Yeah reviews and reddit are usually only good for getting more confused.

Take a look at options from moondrop. Theyre cheaper and tuned pretty well.

[frosty ocean]

EAC isn't finding the track info for the Album I bought that came out this week...this program sucks(this is a joke)

[frosty ocean]

I hope at least one person is happy...I got out my old BD-ROM drive to remedy the ripping errors

[zenith pawn]

I just tag everything with musicbrainz picard manually afterwards instead of trying to get the ripper program to do it

[modest bloom]

Ended up ordering the soundcore liberty 4 nc, hope they're good haha

[quiet ice]

yeah its possible

[quiet ice]

XLR - Bones

[frosty ocean]

I'm too poor to afford to pay for that kind of stuff.

[zenith pawn]

huh? its free and open source

[frosty ocean]

*Says the guy with two Bluray drives

[zenith pawn]

it costs you a bit of time though, trying to match up exactly the right release

[frosty ocean]

Then who is trying to charge me money to use Musicbraiz?

[zenith pawn]

where is someone trying to charge you

[frosty ocean]

There is exactly one release of the CD that came out this week

[zenith pawn]

it's a publicly accessible database for free

[frosty ocean]

oh. ok. thanks for telling me

so, should I submit to them?

is there a specific program I should use?

"Download Picard – the official MusicBrainz tagger – and use it to identify and clean up your digital music collection."

"clean up"?

I dont want it deleting part of my collection

[zenith pawn]

you can configure it all

also, i think some ripper programs have musicbrainz integration

the main function is to correct the tags without writing everything manually

[frosty ocean]

Considering nobody else has apearently submitted the album...

[zenith pawn]

i guess you found something rare

i think musicbrainz and discogs are the largest databases

[frosty ocean]

Why TF did I use the submit button in the program If I still just have to type all this info manually...

This MF trying to give me English advice and then saying "typically", like it means it's correct...

Does that say something?

[elder thistle]

is that swahili

or perhaps standard galactic alphabet

[warm scarab]

that is irish

[frosty ocean]

I think it's just a dot code

[frosty ocean]

I'm uploading a 150MB Jpeg to MusicBrainz...lol

"Two people decided to write on the cover before I opened it. Sorry."

[sick terrace]

150mb and lossy is a crime

[elder thistle]

how did this happen

[subtle depot]

whats the next step up from xm4s

broke a second pair the inisde of the can that holds the hinge always breaks

[warm scarab]

holy shit this is the best crashout ive seen in this channel

and its over a 3 year old message of some dude arguing with a person who's account doesn't even exist anymore

dont be this is amazing

re-read

what in audio science motivates you to call someone a fascist over calling monoblocks a waste

i mean yeah you commented on anything but that

even brought up elon musk 😭

wait elon is a fascist?

what?

i dont know you are the one who told me this?

oh

i didnt realize you described that

okay thats good

ba dum ts?

i think there is a language barrier?

who is hank green

[broken grotto]

What are you on about, lol. This is an audio channel.

[warm scarab]

why is he fascist?

do you understand that people are sometimes from countries not america

[buoyant vale]

Have you forgotten to take your meds?

[warm scarab]

i have to google search why mad economist is a fascist?

what? you brought him up?

[broken grotto]

Currently the only wasting space happening is this conversation.

I like music. Do you?

[warm scarab]

but you brought up the subject?

how does this reflect to me for asking I dont understand

[warm scarab]

no

[broken grotto]

Ah, true audiophile here

[warm scarab]

do you know what music elon musk listens to

I didn't know he was talented in music too

I'll listen to it sometime.

[zenith pawn]

what the hell did I just read up above

I think I'm reading the description of an aliexpress listing

[broken grotto]

Not too far off tbh

[zenith pawn]

However, as a Buddhist, mad economist there was aware that trash can be a place where beauty like the lotus thrives

and then you look at the photo and it's a corrugated steel panel

[zenith pawn]

this would go so hard as a description on an aliexpress tactile keyboard switch

[green marsh]

oh who let the psych ward patient in

[buoyant vale]

clearly

[green marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/job-jumpscare-job-application-job-meme-job-jumpscare-gif-5102454363566376023

[zenith pawn]

you know people can walk between neighborhoods right

or drive

the thieves aren't your neighbors

the locks aren't for your neighbors

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-baño-shocked-look-up-gif-12298175

Genuine psychosis?

[ionic storm]

presenting as such

nils’ comment was wasteful, intriguing

[lean grove]

I think you don't know how social interactions typically work and you periodically get chased out of communities because you're incoherent and disruptive.

[golden crown]

My brother in christ, this is the audio tech channel, not a place for your schizophrenic postings

[broken grotto]

Tbh just block or ignore, idk that its gonna stop on its own

[ionic storm]

putting a tenner on this

don’t let me down Nils 🤞

[lean grove]

If the above paragraphs weren't a hint, he doesn't need anyone to engage with him to find it rewarding to talk.

[ionic storm]

was the point made before or after “You’re being watched” ?

i lost track about there

[broken grotto]

At least you won't see it, I found it hilarious to see 39 blocked messages lmao

[golden crown]

Bro doesn't talk in this server for 5 years and then suddenly goes on forever by themselves

[ionic storm]

actually, scratch that

lol

[golden crown]

mfw I forget to take my meds

[ionic storm]

I don’t give a shit

[ionic storm]

REAL

[lean grove]

I've got stupid monkey brain. If I see a rock I gotta know if there's a bug underneath it.

[ionic storm]

so true

[golden crown]

no bugs under this rock

[broken grotto]

I do wish discord just omitted it entirely

[ionic storm]

whole lotta nothing

was this the point?

all that yap for a statement a 6 year old could intuitively answer?

okay bro

[green marsh]

Two sides of the same coin

[ionic storm]

[green marsh]

One would not percieve if it wasnt presented

[golden crown]

At least I thought it was an AI someone let loose in a channel but I'm thinking more it's just actually someone schizo posting

[ionic storm]

how to make an I forgot to take my meds type beat

because this is the internet you moron

Not the Oxford Debate Counsel

[green marsh]

Keep glazing 🔥

[ionic storm]

LMAO klaus

[lean grove]

No he's got a history of doing this in other servers.

I'm guessing mad_economist killed toffee's parents or wrecked his personal life (what else would warrant such a response?) and now toffee found a mutual server to gripe about this.

[ionic storm]

by these actions brother I entered chat on your third hour of yapping

your schizophrenic ass could not pay me money to read it all

of course I’m going in without the full context, I don’t care about that in the slightest

[lean grove]

😳 woah...

[ionic storm]

you’re doing a schizo version of a PhD graduate asking a random person on the street questions about their Dissertation

[lean grove]

That is dangerously close to a compliment

[golden crown]

but you see, if you just like look at the greater picture

[ionic storm]

There’s a but

But you have 0 of the skill or discipline of a PhD student and are instead abusing your innate ability to type characters in a chat room

[broken grotto]

Someone convince me not to buy crinear

[ionic storm]

groundbreaking stuff really

[lean grove]

Toffee's like the Michael Jordan of ruining the vibe

[ionic storm]

don’t buy crinear

[ionic storm]

so true

[broken grotto]

Ok

[ionic storm]

lmao

[green marsh]

Going back to this as of my knowlege which could be out of date the one that ltt hired was dms

[ionic storm]

what is it with people who got discord in 2015 and being the biggest losers oat 😭

[broken grotto]

You saved me $170.

[ionic storm]

“very telling” I think you took the wrong turn away from 4chan brah

go back to your hole

now you’re getting it

[green marsh]

Buy pure instead

[golden crown]

😔 sorry

[ionic storm]

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/george-seinfeld-gif-5624382

[broken grotto]

Wassat

[ionic storm]

there are some exceptions but look at Degru

and toffee

[green marsh]

Also bro thinks all jobs are soul killing fluff that is unproductive to the betterment of society

[ionic storm]

aye cooked

[lean grove]

About 30-40% of them are.

[broken grotto]

I am engineer. I think i do cool stuff.

[ionic storm]

I wonder what inability to make peace with a suboptimal situation says about a person

[green marsh]

Truthear pure tuned by Listener of headphones dot com

[ionic storm]

not wrong

[ionic storm]

listener tuned an iem?

[green marsh]

"Tuned"

[ionic storm]

[green marsh]

Gave advice is the more accurate term

[ionic storm]

I have ALL of Jake’s emotes

[ionic storm]

lol

[green marsh]

Told them please make a dark iem

[lean grove]

There are a lot of jobs that are productive and rewarding, but there's also a lot that plainly aren't.

The cool thing to think about is that there are a fair amount of jobs that are negatively productive meaning that an employee costs the overall economy a certain amount for every dollar they earn, meaning that employing these types actually harm the overall economy.

Lawyers for example

[green marsh]

My job is productive and helpful to society 🙏

[lean grove]

You code jiggle physics into gacha games

[green marsh]

Real shit

[buoyant vale]

Ash's job;

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-hooker-gif-3990053079212460630

[broken grotto]

Hardware engineer, I make digital systems.

We expensive but how else do you get your AI chips.

[lean grove]

Hardware level jiggle physics. Impressive.

[green marsh]

Smh making society worse

[broken grotto]

Not my fault its where the cash is ):

Although we mostly do for transportation

Machine learning

[ionic storm]

for now

[broken grotto]

Yea, theyll change when it starts to wean

Or i just jump ship to another company

Is ok

[broken grotto]

Idk who listener is

[broken grotto]

Ordered, they better be good

[glad creek]

Sys adm : you do nothing every day at home and you are paid

[broken grotto]

lol

[green marsh]

Untill something goes wrong with the system they are adminning

[glad creek]

Yeah, that's the deal: "you chill but when we need you will be here until it works whatever the day of the week and hour of the day"

[green marsh]

Dont blame me blame listener

[broken grotto]

Ok

[green marsh]

Go to headphones.com discord server and ping him with your complaints

[broken grotto]

Nah. Idk if i can handle more than one audio channel now

[buoyant vale]

you can ping him here with your complaints

[green marsh]

Oh shit

Bet

[broken grotto]

lol

[green marsh]

💀

[buoyant vale]

"you consumers"

Bro has never consumed anything

I'm glad you know what I've noticed

[green marsh]

Bro couldnt even get the jumpscare job application joke and has to nerve to think hes in the right

💀

Bruh you completely whiffed

You are exhibiting jobless behavior

[broken grotto]

Why does bro have so much to say

There's more blocked message things than people talking in my discord now

[lean grove]

@prime locust good puppies don't bark 🤫

[green marsh]

I aint scared of no job

Who are you to say what im afraid of

[broken grotto]

@prime locust ok, putting aside any hilarity and tounge-in-cheek, I am genuinely tired of your rambling.

So I ask you, can you please cease this?

[lean grove]

Speaks volumes how quickly you are to think other's lives are worthless

I think you are just a plainly unpleasant person and you have to find random servers to get the attention you want.

Pathetic, really

Oh well. I'm sure you'll get banned from this one too. And then you'll move on.

[vagrant tinsel]

he did?

[white gate]

This has nothing to do with audio....

please take this discussion out of this server

[zenith pawn]

aw man all the messages deleted

[modern barn]

and nothing of value was lost

[warm scarab]

dude

this was amazing

this experience is staying with me for life

I cannot believe someone would nuke these messages these are worthy of being put in louvre

anything that someone can do in the audio chat from onwards is just a massive bar lower than what we just had its never going to peak like this

[ionic storm]

he’s still in my dms

methinks he’s a little silly

[warm scarab]

can I have screenshots

[modern barn]

i would just block and move on lol

[white gate]

If someone is harassing you in DMs after being banned, just right click a message and click 'report' to report for harassment, it'll also give you the option to block them

[lean grove]

You got rid of the little guy on your shoulder in your avatar

[warm scarab]

L

[sleek lily]

What on earth did I miss lmao

[broken grotto]

Nothing relevant

[sleek lily]

Sounds like someone had a huge crash out lol

[warm scarab]

it was honestly incredible

[sleek lily]

Lol

[ionic storm]

sure lmao

[warm scarab]

he replied to a message that was like 3 years old

[sleek lily]

Lmfao

[warm scarab]

and had a crash out over it mentioning fascism and elon musk and cryptobros

[broken grotto]

Wait is goldensound the yt channel that had a big problem with dCS amps?

[warm scarab]

yeah

[broken grotto]

I think i just realized who that was

[sleek lily]

He had 3 years to plan a response and that was it lol

[warm scarab]

server honestly peaked

and immediately flatlined

[broken grotto]

Idk, I was getting genuinely annoyed

[lean grove]

I miss him

[sleek lily]

I just find that whole scenario crazy to the degree it's funny

[warm scarab]

I miss him so much

is he like gone gone

or just silent

the trail

its not too cold yet

[glad creek]

Let's go

[zenith pawn]

@sleek lily you missed so much, it was like probably hundreds of thousands of words over a few hours

[glad creek]

Wot

[zenith pawn]

they sent so many messages

[warm scarab]

this is the initial crashout

[sleek lily]

@zenith pawn tbf, some people in the audio space make anyone want to crash out

But you just don't

It's as simple as that

You go on with your life

[zenith pawn]

They were mad about amplifier attenuators or something, it barely even seemed related to the original message

[sleek lily]

Lmao

Tbf to him, madecon makes me want to crash out at times too

But that's wild

[warm scarab]

its insane

[sleek lily]

To go on a rant about him being a fascist?

[warm scarab]

over a 3 year old message at that

[sleek lily]

His biggest crime is being a little too condescending and semantic about engineering concepts he doesn't have the best grasp on.

But I don't think he's a literal fascist

[warm scarab]

ive no idea who he is

[sleek lily]

And even that, he's not terrible. He's got a better grasp on things than most.

[sleek lily]

He's an econ dude who is really into measurements in short. doesn't deserve that level of crash out by any means lol

Especially not 3 years later lol

[gloomy cave]

My HD6XXs arrived today, and by some miracle, I wasn't asked to pay VAT or customs. So yeah, I got the equivalent to a pair of Sennheiser HD 650s, brand new for just under £160.

[sleek lily]

W

@gloomy cave taxes still need to be paid though, so I'll collect your vat and customs

[verbal fog]

i just got these two things for 80 dhdhdhdhdhdh

[sleek lily]

Those look amazing

[verbal fog]

i caught it 12 hours after it was listed but that was at like 10am

[sleek lily]

Amazing

[verbal fog]

and the power button was caved in but i temporarily fixed it

[sleek lily]

I love vintage gear

[verbal fog]

im happy i cant wait to see how they sound compared to my previous purchase(this)

[verbal fog]

me too its fun and cheap sometimes and it sounds really good imo :3

[sleek lily]

I went on a spree of restoring vintage headphones

[verbal fog]

this is 90s though so it loses a couple points but its sony es and wood panels so im happy

[sleek lily]

I haven't in a little though

I should get back to it

[verbal fog]

vintage headphones havent ever been comfy for me so i can only care for them so much

i just restore and resell laptops but i do enjoy my audio and good deals and stuff

and its an excuse to look at cool things

[sleek lily]

There really is something that feels different about vintage things

In a good way

[verbal fog]

mmhm they could probably afford realer materials

its nice

also grr theres a background hum on the preamp

[warm scarab]

does it have a ground prong

[verbal fog]

nope

im running it out of my phone

if that changes anything

[warm scarab]

you might be able to ground it yourself and replace the cord

[warm scarab]

might be double amping humm yeah

[verbal fog]

but it is not officially grounded probably

[warm scarab]

it has to be grounded somewhere and thats probably the chasis

[verbal fog]

meh i dont know my super old technics and also new uh (that) are both fine

[warm scarab]

if you find it and just replace the cord you can ground it yourself

its crazy people charge money for this lol

like yamaha

[verbal fog]

ill see ill look into it uh

[warm scarab]

look up a tutorial on it because you need to discharge the amplifier

or else you might shock yourself with 300v

[verbal fog]

so it hums on all inputs except the digital ones

[verbal fog]

im researching it a bit but uh i will be careful but ive worked on a ton of crts before so im also used to working around scary things

maybe its the caps or something i saw one of them bulging a little and its also evening out a little with time

and like 90s uh build quality is evil grr curse of things having issues

[verbal fog]

if i pause my music ill hear it but otherwise its quiet enough and man this thing does sound quite good,,

[sick terrace]

cuz it's ungrounded

[verbal fog]

doesnt it not need grounding though

ive had so many pieces of audio equipment that i dont think ive grounded that have worked fine

[broken grotto]

mmmmmm i've seen most have the third prong on the plug for grounding, and if it's USB it has ground. maybe older gear wouldn't, but they design for that.

....should design for that.

[verbal fog]

hmm interesting ive only ever really seen the opposite

even my newer like 2011s yamaha receiver only takes a 2 prong

and uh so has i think every receiver ive used at least that i can remember

i think its a hardware issue though but ill just watch some restoration videos or something and then maybe take a shot at the caps and see if that fixes it

[broken grotto]

it's cheaper to only use two.

[verbal fog]

the caps do look suspicious upon visual inspection so id like to get a better look at them eventually

[verbal fog]

how much do you have to pay to get three then

that yamaha cost somebody 1500$ new

[broken grotto]

"have to pay," doesn't change how much they want to spend in engineering sometimes.

someone somewhere wanted to cut out the third conductor for ground, so they designed around it.

[verbal fog]

i dont know if its cost cutting uh what companies have 3 prongs then

[broken grotto]

it might have saved them $0.30 per unit, but the bean counter got a bonus.

[verbal fog]

if any i guess

[broken grotto]

cost is the wrong tree to bark at, i should have rephrased that.

If you want a technical answer, then here we go. technically, avoiding grounding the unit would prevent ground loops. you can also absolutely design for lack of ground, adding extra separation between circuits. This just makes it so that earth isn't required in the design.

sometimes, if the receiver connects to other stuff, like. a cable box, it might indirectly ground via signal cables, so they don't need a direct earth connection.

but again, all three of those things enable you to eliminate the third conductor in the cable, which is cheaper; raw copper wire is more expensive than implementing most of those features.

one trick i've used in the past to do that is tying the ground to chassis along with the signal ground.

[verbal fog]

honestly i think ill probably just take things for what they are and just bring it back to normal standard working condition

[broken grotto]

also keep in mind that Japan uses two-prong ungrounded outlets, similar to the US's NEMA-1 plugs.

Designing the power supply to utilize the chassis and signals for ground means that it works in both Japan and the USA, because both countries utilize a similar voltage at the plug.

[verbal fog]

i may mod things one day but for now im fine just having it as it is(once i fix the hum)

[verbal fog]

that is interesting

[broken grotto]

Japan's outlets aren't always grounded, so you can't count on having a ground available like you can with US's NEMA-1 (and in some cases, older US homes don't have ground either.)

where if you buy audio gear from some place where a ground connection is required, it will always have the third conductor.

generally speaking, from a safety perspective, you should always ground metal chassis to earth.

[broken grotto]

yeah, i've been in engineering for a long time and learned many years ago that most stuff is driven by half legit, practical reasons, and another half by cost savings.

[warm scarab]

is it really

im pretty sure its just to have an excuse to sell 3 prong ones for 100$ more

[broken grotto]

yes, you eliminate an entire 6 feet of copper conductor, the three prong plug which costs more, and replace those with a single wire from signal ground to chassis.

replace 6 feet of wire and a plug with 3 inches of wire.

[warm scarab]

its so negligible

[broken grotto]

3 cents per unit is still 3 cents per unit

they can go to their boss and say how heckin awesome they are

[granite drum]

if the humm changes volume when you increas the volume on the amp vs your phone that may tell something where its comming from. may also be how the speakers/headset are/is wired to the amp, (common ground eg) and since wires act like antennas if you have long unshielded (and untwisted) wires to the speakers it may even be those that pick up the humm

[granite drum]

if you have things like central heating radiators , they serve as a ground pretty well to 🙂

[broken grotto]

can't make a product that tells someone to strap a wire to the radiator lmao

[granite drum]

true , missed that it was about making a product , the neutral of the mains is basicly a ground to , it just is grounded every so often at the streetlevel

(but japan does the US thing with their mains like both have potential if im not mistaken unlike in europe , so that wont work either)

[broken grotto]

no, neutral is current-carrying, so you cannot use it in place for a ground.

yes, they do tie it to earth at the service panel but it isn't suitable for class 1 safety

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555174573973438474/1405681090873786428/20250814_153347.jpg

Is this audio tech?

[granite drum]

yeah thinking about it it woiuld defeat the differential fuse

[granite drum]

depends on the question i guess 🙂

[frosty ocean]

The question is, "is this audio tech?".

[granite drum]

i would go with yes...

[azure tundra]

Would you guys recommend I get a 1 farat capacitor for my amplifier in my truck subs? I'm running a Rockford Fosqate prime r2-750x1 with dual 12" JL subs wired in parallel. I had a .5 farat capacitor for my amplifier in my escape, that was a Kenwood Excelon XR1001-1 with dual 12" subs as well and that worked good to keep the power stable

[wheat moss]

@broken grotto do you know what this symbol means?

[lean grove]

I recommend you don't put any subwoofers in your truck because everyone hates that.

[azure tundra]

I understand that, which is why I turn them down when I get into residential areas, as I did with my ford escape

[lean grove]

Get yourself a tactile transducer, butt kicker, or bass shaker and use that instead. They cost way less, only need a couple hundred watts, and will do all the heavy lifting of a sub setup without pissing off anyone within a half mile radius.

And frankly, even if you're outside of residential places, people still hate it. Anyplace where there are people nearby, they hate you.

[frosty ocean]

0.0 surround

[wheat moss]

What

[frosty ocean]

Each dot is a speaker

[plucky sierra]

Guys, please, I'm just a casual gamer and I love movies and series... What would be a good speaker for my setup? I found the edifier mr4 great, but it looks too professional for my needs I think... I still would love some great audio

[wheat moss]

Please put the crack pipe down

[zenith pawn]

There's no dots

That's why it's 0.0

[broken grotto]

Pardon?

Oh the picture was hidden

[azure tundra]

I mean the cats already out of the bag anyways so I'm just gunna finish it and be as respectful as I've always tried to be lol. Not to say my dads truck is any better being that its a diesel but ya lol

[broken grotto]

Are you asking me to be facetious or are you actually asking me, @wheat moss?

[azure tundra]

Is that a tweeter and 2 subs lol

[broken grotto]

Because if you mean to be passively aggressive telling me what I think you are, trust that I'm well aware.

[wheat moss]

I'm asking because everything you've said seems to indicate that you don't know

[broken grotto]

I.. think you missed much of it.. but ok.

That's IEC-60417. Class 2 insulation. Does not require ground wire.

It exists to ensure safety when not using a safety ground.

Does not mean you can just willy nilly use it with any device omitting ground, you still need to design for it.

You can see this, if you'd like.
https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5172

That symbol is to be displayed if your equipment satisfies those requirements.

Anything else?

[green marsh]

too professional?

[granite drum]

double isolated appliance i think

its for safety not for signal integrity

*btw finally remembered the brand that had horn loaded speakers for everything 🙂 "Funktion One"

[glad creek]

Budget?

[granite drum]

maybe https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=0316-AAH theyre cheaper so maybe less professional ?

[elder thistle]

aaaaaaaaaaah

[elder thistle]

does this mean you bought them, used them, then decided they didn't suit your needs? what did you not like about the mr4

it is very important to know if you physically tried these or not

and what you want to change

you cannot expect useful answers without this

[warm scarab]

wtf does too professional mean

[tawdry gale]

so it doesnt fit ur setup?

wrong colour?

just paint it

[dim lily]

any budget in ear headphones?

[zenith pawn]

perhaps the 7hz x crinacle zero:2

[zenith pawn]

What range do you consider to be budget though

[dim lily]

40 euros

[broken grotto]

Additionally, depending on the product you may be forced to utilize class II, such as a laptop power supply or plastic, insulating case.

The product drives the requirements, and the design is fitted around those requirements. Nothing I said is wrong. If they want to utilize a 2 prong plug, then you must design for IEC class II. There are practical reasons in a headphone amplifier to use a two conductor cable, but then your case and power supply has to satisfy Class II requirements, to be certified Class II. This may be driven to save cost, it may be driven geographically, maybe some of both.

[plucky sierra]

No, I was looking for new speakers and I loved the mr4, but I'm not a professional in the audio field, so it's features look too good to be used for gaming and movies only...

So I'm looking for some good speakers, but mostly for gaming

[warm scarab]

how is this an issue

speakers being too good

[plucky sierra]

Some reviewers say the sound is too clean, that some games might sound bad, but I have no idea of how bad this could be

[warm scarab]

this doesnt make sense

[plucky sierra]

so they recommend the edifier 1700bt

[warm scarab]

idk man grab shitty logitechs if you think bad speakers make games sound good

[plucky sierra]

I don't think so, but I have zero experience with good speakers, that's why I asked here

It sounded weird to read ppl say it could sound bad in games...

[warm scarab]

reviews are based on demographics

its one thing to sell a burger to a pedestrian vs a gourmet

5000$ hifimans get shit on in comments and have like 4 star ratings on amazon

vs 200$ jbls often have 4.8 stars

which of these items do you presume is worse?

[plucky sierra]

Hehe got you

I can't even imagine how good a hifimans is

Must be heaven

[warm scarab]

i mean

the expensive ones are very good

then there are 100$ ones that just suck

[plucky sierra]

true

[warm scarab]

in any case one is a more enthusiast item that someone wouldn't find youtube ads for but in any case stereo speakers are fairly simple, good speaker is good for most applications typically

only thing you can branch onto for movies & games is surround which is expensive

[plucky sierra]

Hmmm I see

[warm scarab]

but stereo is simple, and good stereo speakers are good for most tasks they are supposed to be for, there isn't some mandatory fundemenral configuration because its an enthusiast or pro item

the most "advanced" configuration you can have is buying an adapter cable to plug them in maybe and position them according to a diagram as an end user

[plucky sierra]

Oh, also, I should always opt for wired against Bluetooth, right?

[warm scarab]

yeah for games definitely or else you'll have audio delay

for movies you can delay the audio/video so its not a huge deal

[plucky sierra]

Hmmm

Then I'm prolly going for the mr4, I loved the design and it's features look really great

And I can use with both tv and Pc too

[warm scarab]

idk the features honestly it just sounds good

[plucky sierra]

I got a 10 years old $30 speakers

The jump in audio quality will be huge haha

[warm scarab]

I got 45 year old idk $ speakers

they are older than me

[warm scarab]

you should look into how to connect them while ordering

[plucky sierra]

Holy, but they are the golden age of speakers, right?

[warm scarab]

kinda

back then people had so much less to spend on entertainment that spending like 5000$ for a stereo system in todays money was okay for them

you can still get some really good stuff for that money today though

lol

[plucky sierra]

Hehehe

[lone flame]

speakers for gaming uhhh

firstly. Games are optimised for headphones

if you wanna game you would need a surround system at its best

i personally would use headphones for gaming because they are way cheaper and easier to use than a full Speaker srtup

[warm scarab]

yeah

directionality is a bit hard with speakers

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[verbal fog]

its wild my bf used to run this 80s lower end technics and i finally got around to testing the ES power amp and it makes the speakers sound so much better its insane

[lean grove]

Take a look at the vanatoo t0

[plucky sierra]

they are a bit expensive 😅

[trail whale]

i am trying to determine if this ES9218P can power dt990 600ohm without issues
but all i see is the output 2Vrms which is 6.6 mw for 600ohm dt990
and DT990 600ohm from the website (idk if this is the correct part)
are Nominal sound pressure level 96 dB -> 96db per mw
and going by the calculator (no more than 80db loudness cuz why would you want hear loss) power comes out to 0.03 mW (which feels kinda super low?)

where am i making a mistake?

[lean grove]

It will be usable, but it will probably be too quiet sometimes.

[glad creek]

Sensitivity should be in mV not mW but you probably won't have problems if it does output 2V at 600 Ohms

However output voltage depends on Ohms

[trail whale]

really? I plugged them in and they sounded normal
I am fighting a repair service that says none of my stuff can drive them (which it did before) and that bleeding of channel L into R is because the source cannot power it sufficiently

[glad creek]

They are such dumbasses

[trail whale]

i found these

[glad creek]

Just tell them you have some stupid beefy amplifier man that's all

[trail whale]

i sent them my headphones for a cable replacement 4 times
after first repair - they made this bleeding of L and R issue and 3 repairs after it still persists xD

[trail whale]

first 2 repairs i had SoundBlasterX G6 which clearly supports 600ohm and it had same issue so idk

[lean grove]

Yeah that's ridiculous. Amplifiers are generally happier powering high impedance headphones than low impedance ones.

[trail whale]

so i put like 0.096?

i am not sure thats correct 🤣 i ain't got that much power

[glad creek]

96 dB @ 1V should be around fine, the 250 Ohms is at 96 dB @ 0.7V I believe

[trail whale]

it feels kinda super low?

[lean grove]

@glad creek @trail whale I'm pretty sure the Beyer dynamics are 96 db/mW

[trail whale]

so output is 2Vrms which is 2*2/600*1000=6.6 mW
and calculator says that for it to be at 80db it needs just 0.03 mW?
so i basically have a lot of room?

[lean grove]

You have dynamic range to worry about.
You may be listening at 80db, but your music might peak at 90db. Or 100db if you're listening to fancy music albums

But still, you've uncovered the truth that headphones actually don't require all that much power.

[trail whale]

i felt it with my ears after setting soundblasterx g6 to high gain and then never setting windows volume above 14

with my audeze maxwell i am sitting at like 40 (wireless)

[trail whale]

i was testing them after repair by playing a VOD of a trackmania stream

[warm scarab]

id be concerned with upper dynamic range

it may clip

[lean grove]

Nah. It'll just be quiet.

[warm scarab]

nils is generally wrong so it will probably clip

[lean grove]

You won't clip the voltage unless something is being overloaded

And a high impedance headphone is the opposite of that

If something is clipping with this headphone it's because the input is too hot or it was designed to clip. Nothing to do with the Beyer's.

[trail whale]

designed to clip? is it like a safety measure to prevent overheating?

[lean grove]

No it's what happens when a lazy engineer wants something to be louder than it was designed for

[lone flame]

and why?

if nothing is overloading it wont clip

[warm scarab]

idk most commercial amps clip at high volumes

they think its better for the customer to get clipping but listen at a desireable volume than vice versa

[lone flame]

well yeah. bcs the system is overloaded

[warm scarab]

ok and

do we know if dude's isnt

[lone flame]

[warm scarab]

thats why

[lone flame]

for me... having some headroom is way better than pushin an amp at 100%

[sleek lily]

Turns out the Arya i got off ebay was an Arya stealth!

Massive win

[trail whale]

no clipping
the only issue is that when i do the windows test
right channel bleeds into left
and right channel cannot produce all the sounds (like engine in the trackmania video etc)
tested on low volumes

but i think its their issue of not knowing how to fix the damn headphones

since g6 is perfectly capable of driving dt990
but had same issue

[lean grove]

I wonder if you have surround sound turned on somewhere

[trail whale]

nope, tested in stereo with all effect disabled
also would not explain the right ear issue with playing sound

you even specify it here

[warm scarab]

do you know what clipping sounds like

[sleek lily]

Bad

[warm scarab]

tv speaker users will disagree

i love 10dB range

[buoyant vale]

[lone flame]

ahh... crossfeetd

yeah audible crossfeed sucks

[lone flame]

ah you have an ALC1220 or ALC4080 soundchip

mostly these 2 chips have impedance detection

and tbh.. IF you have an ALC4080 or ALC1220.. deiinstall the driver

the impdedance detection is kinda bad and ofently messes up hard

like in ur situation. it detects 1000+ Ohms...

and clipping sounds like "farting" or "buzzing"

The detection is there to limit the amp

if u delete the driver. the AMP will be "full power" permanently

[sleek lily]

Those sound like classes

[lone flame]

idk.
the name of the DAC or so on MB

but iirc that are like "DAC/AMP" sets

[sleek lily]

If you want to detect clipping just get a $20 oscilloscope

[lone flame]

nah, no need to measure that. if its not audible. all good. if its loud enough for him. perfect 😄

[trail whale]

if it is anything like the first result on the tube for the "sound clipping example"
then yeah

[warm scarab]

nah those are a psyop

[pallid wind]

I got my HD 620S in today and I'm really enjoying them a lot!

I don't think I need a dac/amp with how good they sound already

[broken grotto]

Audiophile must spend more money.

You need an entire schiit balanced stack for grados

[warm scarab]

you need the shitty 3 band analog eq from schiit that costs the same as a 16 band one

[unique wind]

i wish i could get all the money i wasted on schiit stuff back

have you seen this brother @warm scarab? https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/topping-a900-headphone-amplifier-preamplifier?

being able to power three headphones simultaneously is kinda neat

i have no use for such a thing tho

[warm scarab]

why would someone need this 😭

[unique wind]

yeah idk this seems like a thing they just made to flex

[warm scarab]

must say tho

it does look good for what topping usually makes

[unique wind]

interestingly the matching D900 dac that is $1700 has significantly worse SNR

not that 131dB isnt still amazing but i wouldve expected them to be similar

[unique wind]

i think their newer products are pretty aside from them slapping screens on everything

i do not need a display on my amp that is likely to die before any other part of it

[warm scarab]

yeah i hate having extra lights in my room

schiit is also an offender

fuckers put spot lights in their items

i grabbed a car window sunlight filter and stacked like 5 of them on the light until it didnt bother me

[unique wind]

that's resourceful i suppose

i havent thought about putting window tint on LEDs

id go to black tape first

[warm scarab]

it bothered me when i was going to sleep it was super annoying

[warm scarab]

yeah but then if a cat unplugs it i cant tell

which has happened several times

[green marsh]

sometimes you want to listen with friends but dont want to use speakers you know

[warm scarab]

im not paying 1100$ (without import costs) for that shit

[unique wind]

it's a feature that youd expect to see in podcasting gear

realistically 99% of people that buy that amp will never listen simultaneously with friends

[green marsh]

yeah because they wont have friends

[broken grotto]

Idk, I bought just their balanced dac and amp years ago and been pretty happy with it.

Not huge on the eq side of stuff though.

I just listen to music man

[warm scarab]

stop enjoying things

[broken grotto]

):

[unique wind]

🫃

[lone flame]

it is expen sive and it is a topping

but it has some nice features

like a buildin PEQ

and maybe you can EQ each channel differently?

and it has even MORE power than A70 xD

[warm scarab]

peq?

program eq?

[lone flame]

parametic EQ

You can import Target Curves and Frequency Responses of YOUR headphone

[warm scarab]

who the fuck needs this

[lone flame]

that is actually kinda nice and unique

[lone flame]

people that likes to EQ? without seperate software?

[warm scarab]

wow eq apo but worse

[tawdry gale]

I need it

[lone flame]

why worse?

[warm scarab]

because its only a parametric eq

eq apo can do a lot more

switch to mono

open headroom

use vsts

it can be used in mics

[lone flame]

that all uses recources on your PC

here you have live, no real latency sound processing

[warm scarab]

oh no 0.01% cpu use

anyways

[zenith pawn]

probably more like 2%

[warm scarab]

😭

[zenith pawn]

the Europeans and their electricity cost will hate it

[lone flame]

its just a nice feature

you dont have to garbage up your PC

[warm scarab]

"garbage up your pc"

[zenith pawn]

maybe if you have a TV and you wanna eq it

[warm scarab]

lmfao

[lone flame]

with lots of VSTs etc that mess with Windows etc

[warm scarab]

dude can pay 1.1k for an amp

but buying a cpu that doesnt suck ass is too much to ask for

[lone flame]

i could

but i dont need it

also i dont have space for it

[zenith pawn]

INTEL CORE 7 265K 🗣️

[lone flame]

R9 9950X 🗣️

[warm scarab]

i have an i7 6700k still

[zenith pawn]

ewaste

[warm scarab]

apo eating resources must be the biggest cope ive seen if i can survive with this

[zenith pawn]

you gotta upgrade to the latest

[lone flame]

it is buggy and can mess with Windows

[warm scarab]

buy the new thing and buy the next new thing after that

[warm scarab]

no

[zenith pawn]

yeah

[warm scarab]

this is a cope

[lone flame]

it is not

[zenith pawn]

z890 won't last forever

[lone flame]

😄 I already had bugs, 2 people from another DC had bugs too

[warm scarab]

wow

[lone flame]

they had to clean reinstall APO

[warm scarab]

thats huge

i label this skill issue

[lone flame]

not if the programm doesn't work properly

[zenith pawn]

just buy a media pc and then the junk doesn't matter

Oh wait you could use this if you're using a vinyl or CD player as the source

[warm scarab]

i bet they would have preferred paying 1100 instead

[lone flame]

you can buy the DX5ii too

it has the same PEQ 😄

and it is 300USD

[warm scarab]

can pay nothing dollars and zero cents if you are capable of using a computer

[zenith pawn]

I don't know if that helped your case

[unique wind]

using PEQ on a dac/amp probably adds more latency than just using EQAPO on a PC

[warm scarab]

its just a worse eq apo

[lone flame]

exactly

[zenith pawn]

What causes this

[warm scarab]

I can buy a 32 band eq for 50 fucking dollars

[lone flame]

sadly you NEED a PC

[warm scarab]

raspberry pi passthrough

get destroyed liberal

[lone flame]

with PEQ on a DAC/AMP it works with everything else too

like BT, Line In etc

[zenith pawn]

Oh is this a complaint about buying an expensive amp with eq

[lone flame]

not everyone wants a seperate unit

[zenith pawn]

I thought it was purely about hardware eq in general

[warm scarab]

that thing is a separate unit

its a headphone amp not a speaker one

Unless if you use vinyls with headphones

which honestly should land you in prison

[lone flame]

a DAC/AMP with a DSP

all in one is not a seperate unit

[zenith pawn]

I'm gonna start doing this

[unique wind]

topping isnt using hardware eq afaik

[zenith pawn]

Since I don't own speakers what else am I gonna do

[unique wind]

analog eq is obsolete anyhow

digital peq is supreme

[lone flame]

they use an DSP

so Digital

[zenith pawn]

make a middleware device that does a digital PEQ

[warm scarab]

hardware eq isnt obsolete its better than software eq in specific applications

you just don't need the said applications in daily use

[zenith pawn]

although that an just what the raspberry pi thing mentioned earlier

[warm scarab]

having an amp per band gives you great capacity

[lone flame]

ok ok... and what benefits?

[warm scarab]

they have its just overpriced garbage because audiophiles are dumb

[zenith pawn]

Simply make a perfect device that responds perfectly to digital equalization

[lone flame]

DX5ii is fairly priced imo

[warm scarab]

no headroom issue

and you can fuck with peaks and dips much better if you have parametric eq

[lone flame]

uhhhhh..... Technically a Digital EQ has more headroom if you use high bitrate

If you go over 0dB. it starts to clip

same with Analogue EQs. If you push it to loud. the signal overloads and it distorts

[warm scarab]

ok so if you eq to boost anything you go over 0dB

so otherwise you lower anything thats not the said frequency

[lone flame]

that's why you lower the Preamp

[warm scarab]

which is going below 0dB to not clip

[warm scarab]

can you like think of what you are saying

im saying hardware eq doesn't need that

[zenith pawn]

simply purchase headphones that sound good instead of spending all day eqing :/

[warm scarab]

speakers

[zenith pawn]

No

Never

[warm scarab]

its just better

[lone flame]

not really. you cannot make headphones sound perfect

that's why EQ is a nice tool

[zenith pawn]

but then you need 5.1 to get rear sound imaging

[warm scarab]

no?

why would you want surround

[zenith pawn]

gamers

[warm scarab]

its only good for movies

[zenith pawn]

Oh movies is better

[lone flame]

sound engines in games are optimised for headphones

[warm scarab]

i mean using speakers for games isnt a good idea with or without surround

but music is stereo

you'd hurt your performance witg surround

[zenith pawn]

is it possible to optimize for speakers without specifically measuring and calibrating against your specific room shape

[lone flame]

good performing speakers need a good performing setup and room

[warm scarab]

if you can build a symmetric room with diffusers ad treatment is appropriate posiotions yeah

[lone flame]

its like damping in headphones to make them sound better

you need to do that with speakers too

[warm scarab]

but most people cant

thats the point

[lone flame]

some people pay more on room acoustics and measuring than the speakers themself lol

[zenith pawn]

good performing room how about try performing good yourself

[lone flame]

proper speaker setups can be quite expensive

you need perfect placement, a good room and if you wanna do it correctly, measure them

[warm scarab]

how about you perform good with some bitches

[zenith pawn]

No, sorry, I'm buying open back headphones instead

[unique wind]

you can get a pair of adam audio d3v and cut out desk reflection resonances for free in equalizer apo

it wont be a perfect speaker setup but itll be compact and pretty good for $300

[warm scarab]

wtf is that mouse

[crisp moat]

[jade adder]

what's a good pair of headphones that i can use to connect to my pc and xbox at the same time so i can be watching/listening to a yt vid and be playing a game at the same time and i can hear both of them.

[sleek lily]

Modified attack shark r3

Swapped the encoder to a TTC gold and the switches to huano blue shell pink dots

[steel escarp]

I don't think there are any

[green marsh]

are those speaker feet your using to prop it up?

[reef wagon]

jittery fader 🤣

[sleek lily]

nah, they're just magnetic poles meant to clamp on screw holes, but they sort of look like speaker feet lol

[boreal ermine]

What's a good enough mic for 150 euros in the Netherlands

[lean grove]

Do you need XLR or USB? whats this for?

[boreal ermine]

Preferably a USB mic, and just for gaming and calling on discord and stuff like that

100-150 euros about that price range

[lean grove]

get a samson q2u or a atr2100x, and then any boom arm

you dont need to spend 150 euros on a mic

[boreal ermine]

Ooo a boom arm is a great idea thanks

[lean grove]

its borderline necessary if you want decent audio quality at a desk

[digital ingot]

Anyone know any good 2 pin iem cables? Preferably 8 core 👌 thanks in advance for any tips

(Can’t be recessed if anything need to stick out a bit )
For truthear HEXAs and a few other more serious pairs

[lean grove]

you might have better luck asking in the In-ear-fidelity discord or headphones.com discord

idk anyone here that is rich enough to spend the money on fancy cables and into IEMs that frequent this server

[digital ingot]

lol thanks brother 👌

[warm scarab]

openheart is pretty ok

cheap ali brand with nice cables

[digital ingot]

I’ll check them out thanks!

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[zenith pawn]

I didn't even notice that was goldensound

[sleek lily]

He's treating things too much like a conspiracy

[zenith pawn]

What server was that in now

[sick terrace]

check your linkedin notification

[warm scarab]

they will send another one 1 minute later

[warm scarab]

microphones

[broken grotto]

did he really try to @ the dude

[wheat moss]

schizo posting

[warm scarab]

try?

I did

I didn't try

[broken grotto]

no, the broski

he tried to @ golden

[verbal fog]

i realized the volume knob on my new receiver thing is metal so i can flick it and it makes like a "tink" sound effect

its very cool

[cyan quest]

@wheat moss what connection type is on the right

is that rca?

[shell bridge]

Good day y'all, I have a question for this channel, I have a very tight budget (50 USD), and I'm looking for some good enough headphones or IEM for gaming, I have 3 choices at FB market place, some Behringer BH770 for 40 USD, an Audio technica ATH-A500X for 30 USD and some KZ ZSN PRO X for like 25 USD, which one should I get for gaming? (I play competitively)

[plush oracle]

it looks like it

[shell bridge]

I already have a microphone, so I don't need some IEM or headsets with mic

[left verge]

Besides ebay, where can I get used headphones/refurbished headphones
Where would you recommend? (US only, shipping in other countries would be pretty dumb)

[lean grove]

check hifishark

[left verge]

https://www.head-fi.org/classifieds/fiio-ft1.93481/
Is this trustworthy?

Are there other sites that you would use?

[lean grove]

up to you. on the forum marketplaces you take the added risk of not having a guarantee. but the benefit is that the marketplace doesnt take a 20% cut like ebay does. so you're getting a cheaper transaction with no backup from the platform

so its entirely up to you to figure out of he's trustworthy, big dog.

look at his post history, do some cyber stalking, DM him for pictures

[left verge]

I'm guessing hifishark compiles all of them into one?

[lean grove]

into one search engine yeah

[green marsh]

yeah but thats what paypal is for

[tawdry gale]

Headphone: ksc75

Iems: Truthear Gate or Tanchjim Bunny DSP

[zenith pawn]

is truthear gate like a newer, cheaper version of the zero:red?

I admit I took a peek at the frequency response

[tawdry gale]

No, Its a brighter hola

Hola is still my fav iem under 100 usd

[zenith pawn]

hmm I don't have any reference for the hola

[granite drum]

also known as TULP 🙂

[dull trout]

not sure about headphones but for iems:

1. Kinera Celest Wyvern Black Remastered (40usd)
2. SIMGOT ew200 (49usd)

these are quite decent budget iem's you may consider. perhaps in the future if you want to consider eq'ing your iem then you can consider moondrop freedsp cable as well.

[cyan quest]

what would i need to get that working in my pc

because i know i need a analog to digital converter but what should i get? i am kinda on a budget

so maybie $5 or less if i can

[sick terrace]

for $5 your options are gonna be whatever you can find that's that affordable

[oblique nest]

I have some old but good tower speakers and a denon receiver. I picked up some old bookshekf speakers off the side of the road. Would it be a crime to use one as a center channel? For movies

[civic beacon]

Yes, in fact, the Sound Police have already been dispatched to your door for merely asking the question... 🤣

[ionic storm]

lmaooooo

everything is to slander mad

the real purpose of life ™

[warm scarab]

insanity

[livid ruin]

this is worse than me and i’m already a mid yapper

[molten wasp]

Going to buy the Logitech G Pro X, anything else or pairs to check before? 👍🏻

[lone flame]

yes?

Cloud III Wireless S

or A50 gen 5 (pro best value in headsets)

[elder thistle]

I have a g pro x but havent soldered it yet

[lone flame]

A50 gen 5 is a beast

good mic, good tuning

[molten wasp]

I just got the Logitech G Pro X.
For some reason the PC recognize the headphones, shows it's playing sound but ai hear nothing.
Even the app works fine and shows it.
Any way to fix it?...

[warm scarab]

forgot about existence of astros

[potent timber]

and I wanted to try fxsound today ...
RIP

[sick terrace]

output settings on windows?

[copper ermine]

can anyone recommend an audio interface with hdmi arc for cheap

[sick terrace]

interface or receiver?

[verbal fog]

grr curse of audio uh my apple usbc to usbc cable makes my modi unusable for some reason now but when i switched to a regular usba to c it worked fine grr

[stuck bolt]

https://a.co/d/f60fcRJ

[copper ermine]

Receiver mb

[broken grotto]

USBC cables are extremely weird, it could be that the apple usbc-usbc isn't pinned for data transfer or something silly like that

[sick terrace]

check marketplace. would be close to free

[steep moss]

hey lads, i just got a S.M.S.L SU-1
however im having trouble deciding on which amp i should get

[lone flame]

why Thomann? xD

[granite drum]

tulp is actually just an analog connection for a single channel, where the pin in the middle is the signal cable and the circle on the outside si the ground for that signal, white plugs often mean left channel and red right channel,,... so you shouldnt need anything extra to have it work on the output of a pc, other than maybe an adapter convert a audio jack to TULP or what have you , that is if you have analog out , if you dont have analog out a verry cheap usb audio card should do the trick so does a fullon external DAC but theyre more expensive

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908671328419205140/1407684466641600614/image.png

I have no idea what it is, but it was 1 dollar at the library and it's now part of my collection

[granite drum]

lol i misread it as SCAD extractor first , wich made sense at somelevel but not for the rest of the image

as far as cdripping goes , i use Foobar2000 for all

[frosty ocean]

Guess how big the files ripped are

[frosty ocean]

It's not really a CD...

it just looks like a CD and fits in a CD player, and some players can play them because they have an extra laser

[granite drum]

not a point in guessing , i have audio stored as midi allt the way upto 32bit floatingpoint 192khz PCM so i guess somewhere in between

[frosty ocean]

This isnt converted to some WAV file. This is a rip of the files on the disc

[granite drum]

now i wouldnt call PCM <-> WAV much of a conversion

[frosty ocean]

As I said, this isnt a CD. so it doesnt use the same format

2.8MHz Sample Rate
1-bit depth
5 Channels
718808832 total samples

It's not a simple conversion to WAV. But it's completely possible, but you have to make some personal choices

[lean grove]

Get a singxer sa-1

[granite drum]

never the less foobar has no problem ripping sacd either to whatever format you like to store it as on your PC ...

[warm scarab]

2019

[granite drum]

https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/digital/pc-software/foobar-2000-for-dummies-part-3-new-experimental-sacd-plugin-v-0-9-x/

[warm scarab]

sir we use musicbee here

[lean grove]

Oh yeah they just released a firmware update for it so it has the virtual surround sound and RGB you want. It'll transform your goon sesh like never before, Klaus

[frosty ocean]

Have you used Foobar to rip a SACD before?

[frosty ocean]

That's not ripping a SACD, that's just for DSD or DSF files

[glass vessel]

oh hell naw not DSD

the memories of this nerd shii

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723934441516564500/1407771277271502868/DSC01704.JPG

[sick terrace]

why 32 bit 192khz

[left verge]

Deal for anyone
I would buy them but I'm looking for the walnut version

[granite drum]

the only two valid reasons : latency reduction when buffersize is already set to a value what you would reasonably want to not go below , and benchmarking 🙂

[frosty ocean]

Those are DSD files already on your HDD... That's not ripping

[granite drum]

nope thats an sacd iso file

[frosty ocean]

But not a cd

[granite drum]

since thats as close i can get using my hardware as i dont have a ps3 or a bluray i can do a firmware mod on

the iso should be identical so there is no point in assuming otherwise since apparently foobar does see it as dsd files and not ripped ones

[frosty ocean]

You don't need a firmware mod. Just a usb stick and a bluray that is vulnerable

And supports sacd, of course

[granite drum]

why the usb stick ?

there isnt a difference between smth on a usbstick and smth on the harddrive so its a weird depency

[frosty ocean]

It has a script file on it that runs the program that sends the files to your pc over the network

I think older versions put the music files on the usb stick

[granite drum]

so again why doesnt that just run of a harddisk?

[frosty ocean]

Usb is for the bluray player

[granite drum]

ah you mean not a blueray 5.25"

[frosty ocean]

You probably can use a usb hdd too

As long as its fat32

The one i currently use is a Sony S590, but i hear progress is being made on the UBP-X80, which I also own

[granite drum]

so the program runs on the player and sends it over the network assuming that that is the hard part done , since once it on the network i can even use smth like wireshark to reassemble it theoretically

also i wonder if no pcblueray drive can work with the format , how on earth did they do the mixes of that audio ... and wheter or not it was just mixed on a regular pc/mac , and then converted to be a sacd by whomever made money of the format,...

[frosty ocean]

There's literally a windows program that receives the data. The screenshot

[frosty ocean]

Oh that's easy. Hubris

The bluray player is authorized to handle the files directly.

[granite drum]

so as i said, once its on the network , theire is nothing to it to reassemble it... so the lifting is done by the player and the thing on the usbdrive

[frosty ocean]

So, by running the program on the bluray, you have full access to the files and data that were supposed to be secured

[frosty ocean]

Yes

But i think the program also "asks" for the data. It doesn't just start broadcasting

[granite drum]

not sure if i get what you mean with this... i mean like audio is mixed for cd or for vinyl wich is completely different , so i assume for sacd there also needs to be a mix but if not able to mix and write a master using pc then how i wonder since its blueray so i assume by that time most mixing is done digitally ...

[frosty ocean]

But if you don't want to run the windows program, I'm pretty sure there's a variant of the script that dumps the files to the usb stick

[frosty ocean]

Not sure what you mean, but converting it to "PCM" is never perfect. Which is why keeping the DSD files and using a real DSD decoder is prefered

[granite drum]

what i mean is that to me it seems most likely it was converted from PCM to DSD in the first place ...

[frosty ocean]

Oh, for sure

But once it's DSD, it's fucky

Maybe we can use AI to backwards convert to PCM

Unless it was converted from an analog tape?

[granite drum]

converting using a dac that can do 192khz 32bit floats , should be able to get a perfect duplicate of what the dac would ouput when playing the dsd file , so not a 1:1 towards the source but a 1:1 towards the output

[frosty ocean]

Honestly, if you don't have mental issues, with the right settings, using Foobar to convert to WAV should retain, like, 98.6% of the quality

[frosty ocean]

True. The only issue would be filesize. Especially for 5 channel albums

The final boss of SACDs is the mythical dual-layer dual-sided non-hybrid SACD

"many" SACDs have two layers. One SACD, one normal Red Book.
So all the idiots who accidentally buy an SACD but don't have a player can still pop it in their player and nod their head and say, "Wow, the sound quality is so much better than a CD".

On a tangentially related note, why can i just take a picture in 48-bit or 64-bit. Why does "raw" need to be a thing.

[zenith pawn]

another reason is if you want to do audio work on it, the extra resolution can reduce the losses certain filters might add

[rugged patio]

Hey guys
I have a bit of a niche problem, I just got this Sony ‎BDV-N9200WL theatre system and I hooked them up to my TV(that has Google’s OS) using HDMI for ARC

There’s is this feature in the speakers where the backlight RGB matches the TV screen, but this only works when there’s an external source coming into the speaker hub, but I just wanna use the TV’s OS

The Hub has a bunch of ports on the back and I can’t help but think there’s a work around for my issue
Plus, there’s a big delay when I change volume.

[lean grove]

how many servers did you post this in

[rugged patio]

Just 2, here and dank

[sick terrace]

the resolution isn't actually there, it's upsampled in both sample rate and bit depth. the 2 reasons the guy gave are literally are the only 2 reasons it'd be worth having a file of that spec

i respect it

[zenith pawn]

oh, i thought you were asking just in general

i didn't really see any specific context

for playback yeah there's no reason really

[celest galleon]

moondrop spacetravel as a budget "i travel 2-3 times a month" wireless IEM for 30€ seems good to me,
any other suggestions?

[tawdry gale]

Space travel 2

[celest galleon]

didnt even know there was a 2nd version.
i already ordered in the meantime tho and cancellation isnt guaranteed.

would you say its worth the hassle to go through returning the item manually to go from 1 to 2?
i dont really care about the 2€ price difference

[sharp bay]

Hey, I'm new to audio stuff, is it allowed to ask questions that are probably kinda obvious for others?

[granite drum]

thats where wavpack can come in handy 🙂 5channel mono then wavpack on max compression should reduce it to 1/4 or half the size, and its still playable as wavpack, you could do paq8 or zpaq but they thake ages and arent payable unfortunatly(tired to compress a 1mb file using paq8 at some point on max ssettings, and i quit the process after an hour or so nt expecting it to be that insane

[frosty ocean]

You know what really saves space? Just using the DSD file

[elder thistle]

probably surprisingly not as hyped as most other hype products

sure it has balanced tone, but the mids were smooth and resolving

and they had a little bit of stage

bass was still kinda soft and loose though

[celest galleon]

what sub 30 wireless IEM is better?

[elder thistle]

better is solely determined by your preferences alongside what you listen to

nobody can answer that