audio-tech

[wintry mirage]

im running 4 ohm bridged i know it says 1500 watts

there is no where that confirms it can run that though

[warm scarab]

get an aluminium resistor

should be fine

[wintry mirage]

i mean im probably not going to be running 1500 watts for long at all

if at all

i have another amplifier that is similar and that can run what it rates at 8 ohms

i think its 210 watt per channel

the new one works well on my sub out from my amplifier as it has a low pass filter on it

i think thats what its called

where it cuts out over about 80hz

[lean grove]

Or better yet simply don't

Instead of being a public menace with your 2000 watt fart box you can, perhaps, choose to enjoy your music at a reasonable volume that won't make everyone in a 2 mile radius hate you.

And you can save some money too

[wintry mirage]

Didn't ask for your opinion

Ite not for my car either its for the pa system

I only have like 170 watts in my car

If i have it loud I cant even hear other cars

I only need 1500 watts for bursts on a sub anyway my other 1000 watt pa amp runs about 210 per channel at 8 ohms

Its not for small rooms really

[stuck bolt]

Your boys an actor 👏

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab do u have a miniDSP Flex

[safe kraken]

has anyone ever had an issue with the apple lighting to 3.5mm audio jack dongle

[lone flame]

no whats wrong with it?

[safe kraken]

ive had two crap out within the last 4 months

[lone flame]

well. Build is truly shit on the Apple Dongle. So its well known

[left hornet]

Anyone know where I can get one of these but in reverse? Separate channels with a coax or spdif output since my that's all my surround receiver has for input and my PC doesn't have spdif onboard

If its more than 50 bucks I'd probably be better off looking for a soundcard or usb DAC with spdif/coax output...

[warm scarab]

no

i have a gun

[steel escarp]

well

then you can shoot me

because I don't have access to the software needed to make the frigging product work

because its locked to the first buyer's account

miniDSP is such scum for this

[warm scarab]

ok

[steel escarp]

[fiery vessel]

I currently have a GoXLR Mini, but I would like to be able to use Bluetooth headphones with it. Are there any Dac & Amp setups that can solve this issue paired with the GoXLR?

[lone flame]

there are very few Bluetooth audio interfaces

just get a dongle, cheapest way

[fiery vessel]

Ah I see. That was my original thought, but would a Dac & Amp provide lower latency than a dongle?

[lone flame]

yes

Bluetooth is quite high latency

like 200+ms

[fiery vessel]

Ah okay, that makes sense. I'm pretty lost when it comes to these things. What would you recommend for a good setup? Maybe Midrange?

[hidden moon]

See if you can guess the brand of this speaker.

[red quest]

panasonic

[willow root]

what are good overear headphones for $50-60

[elder thistle]

blow it up

[lone flame]

a dongle or DAC/AMP?

[lone flame]

when you put 3 Watts more into that old speakers from the 70s

[fiery vessel]

DAC/AMP, if you have any suggestions

[livid ruin]

do you need a knob

or is just a dac/amp without physical interface ok

[fiery vessel]

if im sending an out put from my goxlr to the dac an interface isnt necessary right?

[livid ruin]

i don’t think so, if you just need a simple dac/amp get jcally jm20 max, they go for like 20 bucks

[livid ruin]

does your goxlr have more than just toslink?

[fiery vessel]

I'm not sure what that means, but it has a line out that I was planning on using

And through the app for the GoXLT I can control the volume of the "line out" and the specific categories of audio like "chat" within "line out"

[livid ruin]

if you want digital output only optical is your option which you need to convert

[fiery vessel]

How do I convert it, just an adapter?

[livid ruin]

yup, so anyways cheap conventional dacs will not support toslink

and i don’t know of a good toslink to 3.5mm adapter

[fiery vessel]

I'm willing to spend a little to get it to work with my system. What would support Toslink?

[livid ruin]

look for dacs that support optical

input

idk like k5 pro

for 100

[fiery vessel]

Just to double check, this one supports optical correct?

[livid ruin]

should be

[fiery vessel]

Ah okay, the descriptiioon says it supports toslink inputs

And then as far as an Amp, is there anything I should look out for?

[livid ruin]

it is an amp <- i watched the headphones video and i couldn’t remember that dacs without specified max output wattage won’t drive low impedance at high volumes without clipping or the dac overheating, potentially shortening the dacs lifespan, mb.

dac+amp

[fiery vessel]

Ah okay, I see this under the schiit "dac" section so I was confused

[buoyant vale]

Yeah that is just a dac not an amp

[fiery vessel]

Ah okay

I see they suggest the Vali for a headphone amp to pair with the Modi. Out of curiosity, what is that lightbulb looking thing for? just appearence?

https://www.schiit.com/public/upload/images/vali 3 blk front 1920.jpg

[livid ruin]

2v output is an amp by definition as well

[livid ruin]

all dacs have an amplifier multiplier

2v is more than enough to drive pretty much anything and is considered an amp

that they don’t have it in their marketing does not mean it’s not an amp

[wet elk]

think it's a "tube amp" so uses the vacuum tube/light bulb looking thing for the amplification, transistors are often used as an alternative for amplifying a signal there may be some "audiofile" reasons you'd want a tube over a transitor for the amplification but is beyond me

basically back before transistors were invented vacuum tubes were used as electronic switches/amplification devices for signals so sometimes see like old guitar amps or ones that are modern but keep the old sound by using tubes still

[livid ruin]

for your sanity and to not make the audiophiles angery here yes

anyways the magni will drive your headphones at 109db max at 200ohms with 96db/mw sensitivity

pretty sure that’s good enough

[wet elk]

ENIAC apparently 17k tubes, they would apparently "burn out" like bulbs too so imagine trying to find the one that blew out and making the machine have issues :/ it's good to be in the now sometimes https://cse.engin.umich.edu/stories/75-years-of-the-eniac

[livid ruin]

again, 2 VOLTS

[livid ruin]

also dacs scale a bit differently, so even more power at higher impedances than what i’ve listed

enough to make you damage your hearing within few minutes worth of volume

[livid ruin]

oh ops i misread it for watts* that’s even more powerful mb

[buoyant vale]

[livid ruin]

yeah uhh, you’re going to be deaf from that

[livid ruin]

~~ i misread it for watts, the magni has plenty of power~~

no need for extra fancy amp

[buoyant vale]

that is a modi

[livid ruin]

okay then i’m just so sleep deprived it’s 2v that’s still good for a dac/amp

[buoyant vale]

it is not an amp

[livid ruin]

can you use headphones out of modi?

[buoyant vale]

if you don't mind getting custom cables and dealing with high output impedance

[livid ruin]

how high is the impedance?

[buoyant vale]

75 ohm

because it is a dac

[livid ruin]

so it can drive a he-6 at 98db

[buoyant vale]

what?

I'd just stop arguing at this point

[livid ruin]

2v rms at 50+75ohms impedance with 83db/mw sensitivity on the he-6 is 98db

[buoyant vale]

bro

if you don't know what you are talking about just stop

[livid ruin]

the modi literally has 2v rms output in it’s specs no?

[buoyant vale]

you seem very caught up on voltage

many dacs output more than 2v, doesn't make them amps

[livid ruin]

voltage * amps = watts

[buoyant vale]

this is not the point

go look up output impedance

[livid ruin]

explain it to me then

[buoyant vale]

I really don't have the correct crayons

[livid ruin]

2v rms at 125ohms is like 32mw

[buoyant vale]

ok mate have fun powering your headphones with a dac

[livid ruin]

gatekeeper ofc

[buoyant vale]

ah yes, using the right equipment for the job is gatekeeping

[wet elk]

oh just saw on the product page and FAQ they have some more details about the tube "One Tube to Roll Them
We chose one tube, because, let’s face it: good tubes are getting harder to get. Vali 3 ships with a 6N3P tube standard. Stick with that for great stock sound, or find the perfect tube for your needs with tons of interesting options, including 5670, 2C51, ECC42 and CV4013. Got a big wallet? Heck, it will accept the legendary WE396A!" https://www.schiit.com/products/vali3

[fiery vessel]

That's very interesting

[fiery vessel]

lol

[livid ruin]

if you say the modi can output literal ac signal to the headphones, then 2v rms at 125ohms is 32mw, which is plenty to drive headphones, that the modi isn’t called an amp does not mean it’s not

[buoyant vale]

you are making yourself look silly now

[livid ruin]

if you feel like you’re not wrong please provide me some maths

[livid ruin]

provide maths lol

[lone flame]

budget?

[livid ruin]

the only silly person is you… regret going into this channel because it looks like mr cannot workout what voltage is ^ sorry

[fiery vessel]

Under $500 USD, Under $300 if it's possible

[lone flame]

personally i would be careful with tube amps
they CAN sound really awesome, but on some headphones just bad

[lone flame]

Do you want transparent sound with nice features?
(Transparent means it won't change the original sound in any way)

[fiery vessel]

Preferably. I use my pc for many things so changing the sound might work well for some things but not great for others right?

[lone flame]

you can change it in different ways

but tube amps colorize the sound analogue. you cant "undo" it

bcs my recommendation tends to an DX5ii

the DX5ii is just an beast for its price. and it even has buildin parametic EQ

[livid ruin]

@buoyant vale
~~voltage : impedance/resistance = wattage

same thing as voltage * amps = wattage~~

[buoyant vale]

bro

this is not the point

[livid ruin]

you seem to not understand it…

[buoyant vale]

no I understand it finer

[livid ruin]

then explain it if i’m that wrong…

[buoyant vale]

go do some research

im not google

[livid ruin]

ah so the headphone calculator i’m using is wrong

[lone flame]

guys its easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--LEDxMs4yk
Watch that guys

@livid ruin @buoyant vale

[fiery vessel]

I guess one that you can change would be preferable. However, I don't think I know enough to mess with EQ

[lone flame]

nah EQ is pretty easy

[fiery vessel]

I guess in that case I'd go with that version

[lone flame]

there are different "state" or "levels" of EQ.
Like applying online "presets" or Auto EQ

[buoyant vale]

I'm not the one that thinks dacs and amps are interchangeable

[lone flame]

and EQ on the device itself is nice. Keeps away additional software on the PC and it ofc takes less power

[lone flame]

don't want to offend anyone, I don't really want to read through the discussion above (bcs im lazy) so I just pinged you both xD

[fiery vessel]

Ah okay, so the DX5 is one unit that has a dac and an amp so I don't need anything else right?

[livid ruin]

dac converts signal from digital to analog waves (that you can hear)
if you had a dac without any sort of strenght you’d hear nothing
and 32mw is indeed a decent enough dac/amp even if it’s just advertised as dac

[buoyant vale]

yes the dx5 actually is a dac and amp, unlike the modi

[lone flame]

yep its a all in one unit WITH buildin EQ and a nice Display that reacts to music (FFT and VU meter)

[lone flame]

but take the DX5ii (the new one notthe "round" one)

[fiery vessel]

https://bloomaudio.com/products/topping-dx5-2?variant=41539693183051&country=US&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21594682472&gbraid=0AAAAACxTpanXeQW8s73bDQqFYEfCjUbnp&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhO3DBhDkARIsANxrhTrnpfCdU9LAxtMFZGoruP0AloOalklHawmeqRMpkdfdXq_orLio7nEaAn6xEALw_wcB

Is it this one?

[lone flame]

yes

[fiery vessel]

Sounds good, thank you

Any headphones you recommend to pair?

[lone flame]

imo a nobrainer for that price.
Lot of people do not like topping bcs uh it is transparent but imo
Who cares

also a huge warning.
That unit has POWER

like ATON

[fiery vessel]

Ah okay

[lone flame]

be careful when turnig up volume or turn on/off High/Low gain

[livid ruin]

what if you had a dac+amp that does the converting in the same place/chips as amplifying, is that no longer considered an amplifier?

[lone flame]

oh also it onl has 4-Pin XLR (Balanced) 4,4mm (Balanced) and 6,35mm (Single Ended) connectios

if you dont have either of that connector (most have 3,5mm cable) get a 6,35mm adapter

[livid ruin]

75ohms aren’t really that big of a deal for headphones that have mid impedance unless you’re audiophile

[lone flame]

impedance is quite irrelevant

[fiery vessel]

So just any 3.5mm to 6.35mm will work fine right?

[lone flame]

yes

dont do 3,5mm to 4,4mm or 4-Pin XLR

that can lead to blowing up the DAC/AMP

[fiery vessel]

Sounds good

[livid ruin]

mostly yes, some headphones do get a bass boostin if you give them more impedance/resistance

but it’s insignificant with double digits

at worst you get whag like +2db warmth?

[lone flame]

depends

[buoyant vale]

if you are using low impedance headphones it is very noticable

I am glad you found google though

[lone flame]

high output impedances of a AMP is bad performance (unless its intended or a Tube Amp)

[livid ruin]

you don’t run to 8ohm headphones everyday

[lone flame]

only real reason why headphones HAD high impedances is bcs in the past AMPs where just shitty when it comes to output impedance lol.
And to prevent coloration you had to had atleast 8x more Impedance than the output of the amp itself

also the reason why most headphones has 32 Ohm today 😄

Planars are different. most of them have flat Impedance curves anways so doesnt matter really. it would cause a drop in volume 😄

[livid ruin]

i know all of that, i’ve watched quite few videos and articles from headphones.com and crinacle, a more scientific video from minute science explained something like that

[livid ruin]

yea i was just arguing about “not driving power hungry headphones with an amp”

the modi can provide 2v which is enough for planars <- ^ mb i haven’t slept for 24 hrs (whatever my excuse, should’ve planned stuff differently on what i should do today), i backpedal my statements, forgot about potential clipping or the dac getting hot if you’d actually drive headphones to 98db

[lone flame]

i dont habe these issues anyways.
My setup should drive anything

2 headphones could be hard tho

[livid ruin]

sure

[lone flame]

Tungsten and HE6

[livid ruin]

anyways, 32mw, if someone believes that’s not enough for planars, theybe going deaf

[fiery vessel]

What’s the best Closed Back headphones under $200?

[lone flame]

me having 13600mW @32Ohm

[lone flame]

FiiO FT1

the dx5ii would be overkill for it tho.
Still a nice unit

[livid ruin]

you when me when i plug speaker amp to headphones

[lone flame]

A70 Pro

[fiery vessel]

Thank you. And what are some good websites to buy these products from? The Dac/Amp and/or the headphones

[lone flame]

are u in USA?

[fiery vessel]

Yes

[lone flame]

the DX5ii idk where it is aviable. its very new

headphone idk. Headphones.com or so

[fiery vessel]

Yeah, I think I saw one website where it is available

[lone flame]

idk much US shops bcs im german and not really care

[fiery vessel]

Are the pro’s worth?

[lone flame]

depends

imo they sound nice out of the box

they cant really handle EQ tho espacially in the bass

would get HD6xx probably

instead of FT1 Pro

[fiery vessel]

I was looking at those, but those are open back so I’m not sure

[lone flame]

i have both FT1 and FT1 Pro

i like both. But thry are completly different

in all aspects except comfort xD

[livid ruin]

nope

[fiery vessel]

Ah I see, I guess I should just try them out and see what I like better in that case?

[lone flame]

HD6xx are popular at 200 bucks

[livid ruin]

hd560s also work but they’re not closed back

[lone flame]

they have a bass roloff so dont expect much lows

[livid ruin]

you could tape the back of them tho /j

[livid ruin]

actually the hd6xx gets deeper subbass only at like 0-25hz

[fiery vessel]

Does open or closed back change the way the headphones sound?

[livid ruin]

hd560s has overall more subbass and bass

[fiery vessel]

And is shenzhen audio a reputable website?

[livid ruin]

yes

[lone flame]

85Hz*

[livid ruin]

if you’d tape a back of a headphone don’t ask me for medical help

[lone flame]

yes. the difference is HUGE

[livid ruin]

in case you go crazeey from the horrible sound , because you build open backs and closed backs differently

[livid ruin]

oh i was talking about hd560s and hd6xx

[lone flame]

in short.
Closed Backs vary in sound due to lot of factors
Open Backs are more consisten because of less factors

[lone flame]

oops

[fiery vessel]

So if you had to choose you’d go with open backs?

[livid ruin]

yes ft1 has much more subbass bass. bass. megabass.

[livid ruin]

i love semi opens

[lone flame]

yeah HD560s is uh. not much difference (ez to EQ)

[livid ruin]

they don’t let a lot of noise through unlike fully open backs (but they still do) and i still get sense of presence from outside without creating a chamber

[lone flame]

yes. all the time

they just sound smoother and more "open"

also its easier to make an open back sound good than making a closed back sound good

[livid ruin]

hahahah reflections, morr resonances

[fiery vessel]

I think I’ll pick up the 6xxs then since If I really needed noise reduction I can use my current headphones

[lone flame]

seal issues 💀

🦭

[lone flame]

HD6xx aka HD650 but cheaper lmao sound nice

for ALOT of people the best headphones when it comes to vocals

they are just "timbre" beasts

[livid ruin]

not the seal duhhh fuck seal , i’ll go yolo akg k1000 and blast my ears with treble

[lone flame]

timbre is a term of "natural" sound
more timbre = more realistic sound

[fiery vessel]

How bad is the sound leakage? Like if I had someone in my room would it be noticeable?

[lone flame]

yes

[livid ruin]

they changed the pads and padding on the hd560s for worse (to whatever hd5xx series pads they were i forgot) now they’re just suck

[lone flame]

you can see the driver xD

[fiery vessel]

Wow

[lone flame]

it leaks like 95% of what you hear inside

[livid ruin]

if i had to rate them ∞/10

[lone flame]

big Planars leack even more

[fiery vessel]

Are there any sub $100 closed back headphones you recommend? Could pick up both for each use case

[lone flame]

there are some but

[livid ruin]

lmao i love that he400se have some 60hz peak when you give them a poor seal

[lone flame]

build and comfort is not nice

[lone flame]

Planar bump

[fiery vessel]

How about up to $150

[lone flame]

K361/K371

build like shit tho.

pads are cringe on these.

so don' wonder if you have channel imbalance

[fiery vessel]

Do you think it’s worth going up to the $200 mark and picking up the fiio over them?

[lone flame]

100%

FiiO FT1 my fav closed back i ever heard

not the best Treble but mids and Bass is just 🔛 🔝

liked FT1 more than DCA E3 and Noire X

even tho E3 Treble is unbeatable smooth for a closed back

[fiery vessel]

Sounds good, thanks for your help

[lone flame]

oh lil side info to FT1
they should have changed the hinge design a bit bcs

it was "normal" for the FT1/FT1 Pro to arrive with 1 or 2 seperate earcups

bcs the screws just went "boom"

luckly FiiO offers free replacement parts ❤️
(they said they will fix it like 4-5 months ago or so)

[livid ruin]

they haven’t fixed it?!

[lone flame]

idk.

from like 12 recs where people bought them 1 was broken

[livid ruin]

https://youtu.be/eGdukC9uSv0?

[lone flame]

with 2 seperate cups

[livid ruin]

yeah i know that there was not a week where a reddit post about ft1 screw coming loose didn’t exist

[lone flame]

i have OG FT1 and FT1 Pro

[livid ruin]

dani clarky e3 heheh

[lone flame]

i loved the E3
FT1 sounded just better in the lows and mids imo xD

[livid ruin]

atleast they have 1yr warranty and not a 30-60-90 day one or none

[livid ruin]

they be kidney stealing headphones so…

[lone flame]

im in germany.
2 years warranty by law and 1 year by used 😄

[livid ruin]

nice

[livid ruin]

@buoyant vale alright sorry, my info wasn’t accurate and didn’t consider clipping if you drive your low impedance headphones at high volume or your dac could overheat

[covert basin]

I'm looking for speakers with a subwoofer and so far from what I've looked at I've got 2 that I got my eyes on

Logitech Z337 Bold Sound 2.1 and Creative Pebble Plus 2.1

Just want something minimalistic and sleek

The Z337's I found are 30€

Creative Pebble Plus 2.1 not sure yet still waiting for an answer

Also found Z533's for 30€

[covert basin]

These Z533's cloth has been ripped a bit from the top I think this is a great deal for 10€

[tawdry gale]

pebble plus

cheapest 2.1 setup that I would use over my phone speakers

[covert basin]

What about Z533's

From looking at other ppls comments on reddit some say the Pebble Plus's are lacking in some areas while Z533 has pretty good sound

[lone flame]

Rule 1 in Audio.
Don't go on Reddit or Head-Fi if you have questions or anything similar

[livid ruin]

i think i would skip these brands if your budget allows for €100

the z533 as far as i know does not have any actual review that measures the audio

and similar logitech setups have a big dip in the mid range, up to -15db

[lone flame]

MR3, MR4, R1280DBs all around 100 bucks 😄

[covert basin]

Guess I'll dig in my butt then

[livid ruin]

yeah edifiers are fine

in that range your prob don’t want a cheap 2.1

@covert basin https://noaudiophile.com/Logitech_z313/ for example

[covert basin]

Looks ugly and gay

[lone flame]

imaging having a subwoofer and it doesn't really go below 60Hz

[livid ruin]

every genre that has no drums or bass will get you crippled by treble

i don’t know if the z533’s are better

but let’s say in the worse case scenario they’re worse

[covert basin]

I just want the speakers mostly for gaming to avoid headphone dent

For when I'm playing singleplayer games

[livid ruin]

edifier mr4 will not disappoint i hope

i’ve seen them as low as €80

incl. tax

[lone flame]

problem is with small drivers on speakers is.
a 2" can't really play low mids due to it's size
a 3-4" woofer for mids is nice and a additional tweeter

[livid ruin]

but, but… smaller drivers are cheaper for mass production!

you know, every penny counts

[lone flame]

best example is.
an earbud. Stick an earbud in your ear. you hear bass:
Plug it out and let it be close (like 1cm) to the ear and all you hear is "SSSSS ZZZZZ" just treble xD

[covert basin]

https://www.pctechreviews.com.au/2016/01/13/reviewed-logitech-z533-21-speakers/

Doesn't seem bad for 10-20€~

[livid ruin]

put them 1 metre away amd amplify by x100000 and get treble deaf

[lone flame]

speakers are quite "objective"
preference exist but to make a speaker sound "neutral" you need to have a flat on axis response or a tilted inroom response

[livid ruin]

overview* not a review

[lone flame]

if there is no measurement... kinda ignore it tbh

[livid ruin]

they will give an award to every product they get sent

[lone flame]

Crinacle always says "If it's not in the list, it doesn't exist"

[livid ruin]

what’s the point

[livid ruin]

lie!

there is always the iem that takes you by surprise

[tawdry gale]

But its called pctechreviews

[livid ruin]

pctechoverviews

i can also plug a speaker into my pc and exaggerate how ok they sound

[lone flame]

problem is in audio is. Alot of people doesn't really know what they are talking about

[livid ruin]

me

[lone flame]

also Placebo is a HUGE like a GIANT thing.
Audio is Psychoacoustics.

[livid ruin]

always rember that everyone perceives sound slightly differently even if their pinna shape is the same and have the same seal, same unit of headphones with the same sound signature with no qc variance

you know when you don’t sleep you may perceive sound as going faster or slower

or even during the day

[lone flame]

yeah. That's why measurements on headphones can only be used on a specific baseline

it only shows how the rig hears them. It can be harsh or dark to you eben if its "on target"

[livid ruin]

next step:
plug elon mushsk’s chips into brains to measure next-gen audio frequency responses

[lone flame]

this wil skill 100% of the analogue audio processing of our hear

hard todo tho bcs our brain expects a specific Frequency response

[livid ruin]

maybe after 9999 million years and few volunteer whopsie experiments we’ll get somewhere

[lone flame]

with the speed how tech is developing
idk hard to tell

can be in 100 years or earlier

AI is doing alot in Research speed

[livid ruin]

i wonder how much AI is being used for entertainment and how much is being used for actual science/research/work

[lone flame]

AI will more likely replace all entertainment areas

like Music, Art, Movies etc

in 10 year maybe you can paste a Book as Prompt and you get an complete movie or series

or a light novel or manga and get an Anime

[livid ruin]

hmmm probably rip artists 💀

[lone flame]

normal
that's how tech works

the Car replaced the Horse in the most places on earth.
Many jobs that where related to horses broke down to a minimum

[livid ruin]

yeah but i have a feeling this could spiral out of control

[lone flame]

There's nothing we can do. We have to sit around and watch.

[livid ruin]

i don’t believe they’re taking enough safety precautions

[wicked shale]

just had the RCA lead to my Creative speakers' subwoofer snap :((

[uneven mountain]

I got some kz zs10 pro iem's for $10 not too long ago. I just setup an eq curve for them. I was curious what yall think of it and if there's anything I should change with it.

And does anyone know of a pair of iem's with a completely flat high end?

[green marsh]

truthear pure

[zenith pawn]

I don't think it exists or is feasible to make

[lone flame]

:3

[green marsh]

sup

[lone flame]

not much. you?

[lone flame]

do u guys miss me over there?

[green marsh]

totally

[lone flame]

fr?

[green marsh]

nah

[lone flame]

good

[green marsh]

lol

[green marsh]

im interviewing for a job my friend referred me to 🙏

[lone flame]

Niiice

[green marsh]

soon to be salaryman hopefully

[lone flame]

Excited to pay taxes? 😂

[green marsh]

nah

you should add me tho 😭

[lone flame]

Real tax is new audio gear👌

My dms are open

I'm still sticking to my rule

[stuck bolt]

[green marsh]

ong

finna cycle out hd600

[lone flame]

i did 😄

[green marsh]

considering grado

[lone flame]

Well. If u like it? xD

[green marsh]

mayhaps

also check ur dm 😭

i think i might like the 2k spike

[olive cairn]

Hot take i kinda like analog mixers more than digital ones

(Yes this is the WORST lighting setup EVER)

[green marsh]

is that a gamer pc

[tulip monolith]

I don’t think that’s a hot take at all btw

[olive cairn]

Gaming rgb(400W)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1092669808232902656.png?quality=lossless&name=trolley&size=48

Shit

No embed

Uhhh

[green marsh]

lets goo

[glad creek]

I think it should be one but it is not

[lone flame]

u know what's even better?

digital mixers with analogue controls

[warm scarab]

thats like

the stupidest thing ive heard

wow let me take a digital mixer with technology known for versatility

and let me place the same analog controls that are specifically limiting what you can do on it

this is like buying an engine that revs to 10k then configuring it to hardline at 2k

or buying a jet and using it at biplane speed

[lone flame]

there are digital controllers that are not limited by the analogue knobs etc 😄

[warm scarab]

yeah we call that software

[lone flame]

exactly. and you can control that with an digital mixer

[warm scarab]

yeah so why put analog controls on a digital mixer

so you can be limited and pay premium?

[lone flame]

workflow

[warm scarab]

why not use a hardware mixer if you are at the stage where you use analog buttons for workflow instead of digital features of your mixer

and actually benefit from having dedicated amp stages

[lone flame]

I know enough people in the PA and studio area who have hybrid builds

sorry i started writing in german

[lean grove]

klaus the type of guy to use the on-screen windows keyboard instead of having an analog typing experience

he'd rather use windows voice controls instead of an analog mouse

[warm scarab]

studio people and audio engineers aren't really good examples of any form of technological understanding

[lone flame]

and a digital mixer is jut more convenient and its cheaper than a full analogue setup

[warm scarab]

legally speaking I am a certified audio engineer

most of them are just dudebros who turn some knobs with pattern recognition to get a sound they like

[lone flame]

or they just use a digital mixer for the workflow for VSTs and DSP stuff

I can only say that MANY audio engineers “ disagree ” with each other or have a different opinion.

[warm scarab]

many audio engineers arent engineers

[lone flame]

like that songs "has to be -14LUFS". Imo complete nonsense

[warm scarab]

depends on genre

if its like edm yeah

you need to have a strict range so anyone can hear any sound from anywhere in the club

if its classic you can afford to have a huge dynamic range

any person who can use any daw at any level and gets paid for it is qualified to be an audio engineer, the job literally implies nothing about your knowledge

[green marsh]

i like to just wave my hands around

[warm scarab]

nils is the type of guy i hit with a hammer and dies

[lone flame]

Mixing Conductor

[lone flame]

lil question.
If you mix with headphones. What is important

[warm scarab]

nothing

[lone flame]

bcs 😄

[warm scarab]

have something that slightly resembles the harman target

just moderately

and you are good

having to have good gear to make good music is a massive cope as 99% of your listeners will be using bad gear to listen to it

[green marsh]

just use apple earpods

[lone flame]

why harman target?

[warm scarab]

just hit nils with a hammer until he stops moving

[warm scarab]

its a less dramatic version of the V shape consumer gear goes for

and is overall "natural" enough

[lone flame]

i personally cant use harman. because its fcking bright af and way to bassy

[warm scarab]

weird ears

[lone flame]

just diff HRTF

[warm scarab]

built different

[lone flame]

im also not the only one

many people do not really like Harman

[warm scarab]

i think there are more people that do than those who dont

especially if you include average consumers

[green marsh]

ew average consumers

[lone flame]

as example

5128 Diffuse field vs Harman IE 2019

also i don't know anyone who likes that Harman target xD

[green marsh]

i think the relevant harman is oe harman

[lone flame]

right waiiit

[tulip monolith]

(For iem) People have moved away from Harman IE to tilted diffuse on that new HATS or something like that? I can’t remember

[lone flame]

new Meta

[green marsh]

diffuse field with tilt for headphones and jm1 for iems

[tulip monolith]

I see mm

[lone flame]

idk why but since the DF Tilt with adjustments i dont hear much about the harman targets anymore

[warm scarab]

im not a fan of diffuse field

sounds too bright

with no low end to back it up

[green marsh]

youre not supposed to use pure df

[lone flame]

DF Tilt ofc

[green marsh]

its df with preference adjustments

[warm scarab]

oh tilt

[lone flame]

-1dB dB/Oct

[green marsh]

tilt or bass and treble adjustments

or both

[lone flame]

yeah and preference adjustment. iircthats ~4-8dB of a bass shelf

HD600 compared to DF Tilt + 4dB bass

and the HD600 are known for their "absolute cinema timbre" like vocals sound goood on them

[green marsh]

i have come to see +2 bass and -2 treble is the best tilt 😈

[lone flame]

ye

[green marsh]

no tilt

[lone flame]

also seems like that the new Harman OE Target is DF Tilt with some bass

this is the "new" beta target

its a bight brither in the treble tho

[warm scarab]

rting target peak fr

scuffed diffuse field combined with speaker bass target

for headphones

and no one saw a problem with this in the rtings team

[lone flame]

rtings target is legit iirc

[tulip monolith]

Time to abandon headphones and just get monitors and soundproof your room

[lone flame]

fr. i like headphones more

[warm scarab]

legitimately braindead

[green marsh]

nah put floor standers on top of your desk

[unique wind]

peqdb target>>>

[warm scarab]

peq on deez nuts

[lone flame]

that guy should be in prison 💀

[warm scarab]

he broke out

[lone flame]

he stole the prison bars to create the graph

See that lines in the background? clearly prisonbars

[unique wind]

i like the change made from 3-8KHz in the PEQdB target

[green marsh]

i dont support assholes and grifters

[lean grove]

@unique wind I got the hd6xx but better

[unique wind]

sir it is an IEM response target you dont have to support sharur to use it

[unique wind]

[green marsh]

juanphone 2.0

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/juan-gif-21122849

[unique wind]

so you prefer them over your 6xx?

i know that was your darling for a long time

[lone flame]

WTF ?!?!?!?!

Discord in light mode??? ARE YOU CRAZY

[green marsh]

hows the swivel

[lone flame]

bro is looking at constant flashbang

[lean grove]

comfort wise the 6xx with the capra strap is better. but acoustically they're better.

[lean grove]

only works when theres zero tension

[green marsh]

is it gritty?

[lean grove]

its just stiff

[green marsh]

not like the one at canjam?

[lean grove]

not like the one at canjam, apparently he improved it

[green marsh]

sick

[lean grove]

but basically once its on your head, the swivel doesnt happen unless you force it

[lone flame]

that PEQdB IE is like 95% of what a friend of mine did

[green marsh]

not so sick

[lean grove]

yeah its closer to a playdough like consistency instead of sandpaper

if playdough were rock hard

[lone flame]

his target

[unique wind]

i dont need the upper treble boost because im not fat or old, but i do like the lowered 3-8KHz

[lone flame]

maybe bcs of lot of people tend to like boosted 8khz

[warm scarab]

nils is fat and old so i can see why he would need that

[unique wind]

[green marsh]

need azcool shaped target

[lone flame]

nah mine

[tulip monolith]

I need a sine wave shaped target

[lone flame]

wait xDDDD

[lone flame]

here my Hexa EQ

[unique wind]

can someone else make an iem better than truthear nova please because the nova is way too fragile

im not buying a third pair

[lone flame]

KE4

or Mega5-EST

if u wanna sniff graphs

[tulip monolith]

Get the funny crin iem

[lone flame]

or the CrinEar Daybreak

[green marsh]

z1r

[unique wind]

no more crin iems theyre memes

[lone flame]

why memes

[unique wind]

none of them are better than nova

[green marsh]

buy truthear pure

you can try a listener meme instead

[lone flame]

yeah the Pure was tilted by listener

[unique wind]

the zero blue 2s are genuinely annoying but im coping with them because im not buying a third pair of novas and im not taking an anime girl box back to the post office

[lone flame]

or how Andrew likes to say "Cartoon Child girl"

[tulip monolith]

You gotta use IEMs over near field monitor cus you get like 2ms less latency

[unique wind]

i use my kef lsx ii most of the time

iems for when voice chatting or night time tho

[lone flame]

im now daily driving my LCD-2C

fit is fine. can wear it for hours

[tulip monolith]

I’m running edition xs off my laptop headphone output

[lone flame]

is it a mac?

[tulip monolith]

No it’s a framework 13 lmao

[lone flame]

get a dongle

[tulip monolith]

Yeah I actually have a KA11 but it sometimes just drops out for half a sec

[lone flame]

[tulip monolith]

Ngl I’m feeling RME adi-2 dac very overkill

[green marsh]

might as well just get a topping

[lone flame]

dx5ii

a beast and buildin PEQ

[tulip monolith]

I like RME tho

[lone flame]

well. makes sense

[tulip monolith]

They’re freaking expensive is the main thing

[lone flame]

yeah ik

its RME

[green marsh]

duh

[lone flame]

Adi-2 has 115dB Sinad and 310mW into 300 Ohms

dx5ii claims to have 3x as much power

Sinad idk

[green marsh]

its a topping so you know its got at least 120

[lone flame]

well yeah

best ist the screen and PEQ imo

you can have FFT or VU meter (digital)

[green marsh]

first dx5 says se but has a xlr port 😭

compatibility port 😭

[lone flame]

maybe its an SE XLR

my C200 has an SE 4,4mm

[green marsh]

i know

[lone flame]

btw there is an C200Pro now

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K4542wtX8B4
idk why but thats a nice tool

[tulip monolith]

Adi2 has both a digital and actual output voltage meter right

But yeah I do agree topping performance is probably good at a lower price

But yk once I get a rack and a UFX III I gotta stay in the ecosystem

[serene surge]

I have 4 pairs of budget iem moondrop chu, truthear crinacle zero red, kz sz10 pro, 7hz g1. All under $50. What would be an upgrade that allow me to hear a significant difference/improvement? I like vshape. Moondrop crinacle dusk at $400?

Also what are the audiophile discord servers that I can join to ask questions about IEM?

[bright mist]

would this work as a solution to combine the audio from 2 pcs?

[green marsh]

ief/hangout audio or shenzhenaudio

[warm scarab]

just use a mixer honestly

it works but it typically sounds really bad

[bright mist]

mixers are pricey

just need to hear audio from 2 systems

also why would the quality be bad if it’s physical cable?

[warm scarab]

get a bad one second hand

[warm scarab]

try

you can receive line in but issue is you arent sending line out to it

you are sending your amplified audio to it

which double amps it

it works but it doesnt work well

[bright mist]

would this fix work?

[warm scarab]

would help

but 10-30% number is bullshit

because what percentage represents what voltage is completely dependant on the chips you have

you'd have to measure it with a multimeter to know the precise number

[bright mist]

gotcha

[green marsh]

if the pc is set to line out does it matter

[warm scarab]

pc line outs are bullshit

none of them are line outs they all have amp stages

[green marsh]

damn thats lame

[serene surge]

noob question why is the left ear and right ear getting very different frequency response?

i randomly clicked on another one, and its left and right don't have a significant difference

[haughty cairn]

what happened to the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1? Did they get discontinued?

[bright mist]

@warm scarab works great no difference in audio quality from what I could tell

[warm scarab]

glad it worked for you

[warm scarab]

materials arent made perfectly

there are slight variations between every driver produced by the factory

and placement of the driver in the measuring rig can also be slighy different resulting in results being marginally different

[bright mist]

yeah im not sure it even is double amping. max on both sounds the same as max from just the audio pc

[warm scarab]

either you are deaf or you have a good sound card

most realtek garbage and other sound cards have amp stages in every output and input resulting in stupid behavior

[bright mist]

not deaf and im not using any sound card. just the built in b650 motherboard

[warm scarab]

i mean the motherboard has a sound card lol

[bright mist]

ah then yeah

sounds identical from what I could tell

literally no difference

[warm scarab]

neat

[elder thistle]

dangerous

dangerous are what they are

unless you are completely sold on the idea that tonality is everything about sound, and you've experienced it

because that ideology will be forcefed to you and all the money you could spend will be thrown into judgements made solely from a graph

[bright mist]

for them anything that isnt the very best is garbage

[elder thistle]

no not exactly

anything that isn't the best tone is garbage

disregarding the citation needed for the existence of "best tone"

there is a chance they would point someone with a $2000 budget to $70 earbuds

I think someone's odds of getting something they'd like more is truly better even by throwing money at the problem and seeing what happens

blindly

and that's obviously not a good way of finding a relevant product either

[bright mist]

1000$ cable risers 💀

gold plated 1000$ cables

60$ earbuds

[elder thistle]

if we're talking IEF and crinacle and such,

they're toxically data oriented

they will surrender their own product experiences in order to be loyal to the narrative

[lean grove]

generally those types are hard to find on discord. they exist, but they're usually bullied out of the major discord servers.

they retreat to boomer forums and invite-only servers

[bright mist]

idk i remember joining an audiophile discord server and wanted some headphones in the 200$ range

somehow they tried to talk me into spending 1000$

on a dac and amp and then some very expensive headphones

ended up just going with the fiio ft1 and couldn’t be happier

which was recommended to me on the audiophile subreddit

[zenith pawn]

just buy apple airpods pro 2

[warm scarab]

which server was this

[bright mist]

don’t remember it was a while ago

almost a year

[glad creek]

My audyssey room correction disabled the subs for my fronts speakers

[glad creek]

The problem with being toxically data oriented is that those data becomes absurdely high to understand up to one point
I am myself one of those "toxically data oriented" person, however I understand that I don't understand everything and that there are a lot of factors that we don't measure and don't understand how we should

Like, a DAC, i'm 100% convinced that we can totally do everything through data because it's "easy" to know what to measure and understand said measurement

A speaker ? Sure data helps, but it quickly becomes super hard to know what to measure and how to understand the measurements, so people only have like 30% of the necessary data to make an opinion and use those 30% to be "toxically data oriented"

Like, I have some speakers that go down to 2.5 Ohms between 120 and 800Hz
A lot of amplifiers just aren't stable at 2 Ohms at all
Almost nobody takes this into consideration and "data oriented" people will put this aside and recommends any "good performing" amplifier, obviously there are some people that made the effort of learning and searching more and will know this and take it into consideration

Whereas there are also people that hear that having unstability at 2 Ohms between 120Hz and 800Hz means reduced dynamic range that can be audible (or even just having the amplifier going into protection lmao)

[west chasm]

i need to choose between different priced DAC, and i dont quite know the different and what is needed.

150 Kr: 32, 44.1, 48 og 96 kHz

200 Kr: 32 / 44,1 / 48/96/192 kHz

300 Kr: 16 Bit / 48 kHz

the kHz seems to be the only difference

[warped nymph]

The 150 kr seems good enough

You wont find many modern songs over 96 khz tbh

Even on qobuz

But do you know the other DACs max bitrate?

[west chasm]

the 200 kr one is 16 - 24 bit

[warped nymph]

What is Kr in this, Danish or Czech?

[west chasm]

danish yes

[warped nymph]

26 euros for that much is wow

[west chasm]

is cheap

[warped nymph]

I thought it would be like 100 euros

[west chasm]

haha nonono

is this lil thing https://www.av-cables.dk/lydkabler/optisk-toslink-kabel/optisk-converter/delock-digital-til-analog-phono-converter-192-khz

[warped nymph]

I would go for that one

Oh this is for home theater, or?

[west chasm]

not threater no just old big ground speakers

[warped nymph]

Man for that price it seems tooo good

[west chasm]

ohh.. that doesnt soundl... good haha

[glad creek]

Give us the names and not the specs

[west chasm]

Delock Digital: https://www.av-cables.dk/lydkabler/optisk-toslink-kabel/optisk-converter/delock-digital-til-analog-phono-converter-192-khz

Digital til analog konverter: https://www.av-cables.dk/lydkabler/optisk-toslink-kabel/optisk-converter/digital-til-analog-konverter

Delock Analog
https://www.av-cables.dk/lydkabler/coaxial-digital-kabel/coaxial-digital-converter/delock-analog-phono-til-digital-aktiv-converter

[plush oracle]

i got a nurmark m4 and eris 8bt sub and eris 4.5bt speakers all wired together i wanna go from rca to xlr back to rca then rca to xlr to rca

any items

also amazon uk

[buoyant vale]

It doesn't look like any of that gear has XLR?

[west chasm]

those are mine 😄 i was looking for a good dac and doesnt know which one to choose.. i only need RCA to Optical

[buoyant vale]

I was talking to Will

[polar onyx]

How do you record from a electric piano?

[warm scarab]

put output to into instrument input of a sound card

record on the computer normally

[warm scarab]

why

[polar onyx]

Ok. Thanks

[buoyant vale]

yeah that is puzzling me too

[warm scarab]

might be other ways too depending on what your device is capable of but that is how you typically record an electronic piano

[polar onyx]

Okay

[plush oracle]

y not

[stuck path]

Anybody use wave xlr I'm getting some weird delay with mic monitoring and it sounds kinda tinny

[plush oracle]

nope

[warm scarab]

because its unnecessary effort

[somber onyx]

https://www.amazon.in/hayden-HY-HD10-Professional-Headphones-RED/dp/B0DR35TX1N
is this a good product for this price?

I'm mostly looking for decent-ly long hours of music, and somewhat rarely movies/games...
Although, this doesn't have a mic if i need meetings i suppose

Apologies if it's not the right channel for this, i just read the name and assumed this would be best place to ask this

[livid ruin]

probably not

[somber onyx]

Ooh

Imma look for more options then, thanks
Would love if there are any recommendations

[warm scarab]

budget?

[somber onyx]

30$

A friend recommended an iem (kz castor pro), but i feel like over-ear might be better in the long run...
Hence still searching for headphones XD

Are iems better, or do they hurt on long time use

[green marsh]

consider ksc75

[warm scarab]

see how much a koss ur40 costs

[warm scarab]

really depends on the user

tips

the iem

etc

whatever works for one guy may not for you

I am not comfortable wearing iems for more than like 3 hours

some people can use them for an entire day

[somber onyx]

I feel same with in-ear earphones/earbuds

[warm scarab]

its mostly a matter of how many ear tips you will try and what iem you have honestly

[green marsh]

this kinda sucks fr

[warm scarab]

if you spend long enough time trying iems and tips you will find one that fits well and is comfortable

[green marsh]

might as well be wearing a headphone with no pads

[somber onyx]

I see

[warm scarab]

well he wanted over ears

what else do you have for 30$

or 40

[green marsh]

just suck it up and buy ksc75

[somber onyx]

Both are slightly over 30 at my place, prob shipping or taxes 👀

I'll keep em saved for if i feel it's better over budget

[serene surge]

Noob here, how do I read this comparison graph? Is define delci just a mini crinacle dusk? dusk has better audio quality?

[zenith pawn]

its like judging a painting by its color palette

should give you a good hint of the overall sound profile, but doesn't tell you everything

[lone flame]

Yes but not fully

if you see this weird situation at 150-450Hz. that's not real and caused by the HATS

so just imaging thats smooth

also you wanna align the Frequencies to the target at one pint. 200Hz-800Hz

lower is better (not really lower than 200Hz lol)

i mostly align at 300Hz

[stuck path]

I’m using wave xlr and some dt 770 pros and it’s quiet a bunch of videos said it would be enough juice to power them but idk what I should do now any recommendations

[elder thistle]

if these are the same item as the oneodio pro 10 (I'm spying on the earpads here, trying to see if they're as small but still not sure)

as always it depends on the music and your preferences and such

but

aside from it taking forever for me to put them on properly (the earpad hole is so small, they're half on-ears)

they are resolving, have a very realistic/dynamic and detailed midrange, and actually have a pretty wide soundstage

for my preferences ~$18 is a steal

things like that make it hard for me to understand why the ksc75 is so popular still

[somber onyx]

I see. Yeah I've tried that for a long time, until it broke on one end.
It looked similar, but i haven't been on any audio forums etc yet, and have only tried that headphone XD, so thought to ask for opinions.
It does look pretty close in build.

[elder thistle]

plastic QC issues will be hard to escape at this pricerange

[somber onyx]

Yeah reasonable

[elder thistle]

if longevity is what you're after, I'd suggest looking around for k240s clones that don't have major soldering issues

stuff like the samson sr850 and monoprice modern retro could last decades

[somber onyx]

I see

[elder thistle]

the bigger issue with those imo is still the earpads

they are large in diameter, but very thin

sr850 pads are noctorious for causing a lot of people discomfort

but it has to be thin for sound tuning reasons

[green marsh]

not really

[lone flame]

its better for comparing 2 FRs

[green marsh]

not really

its usually better to just leave it at db normalized

[lone flame]

what db normalization

[green marsh]

its just average volume

[lone flame]

it doesnt do much

ah wait the Hz next to it. well.
300Hz is nice for that

[green marsh]

???

just click it once

and done

thats it

[lone flame]

it's just better if the FRs and Target allignes with each other between 200-800hz

and this "normalization" is that

as example here.
to compare these 2 headphones its the best was to have a good middle point like 300Hz to compare them nicely

on higher or lower frequencies it varies to much

[green marsh]

if you just leave it to the default average volume normalized it looks like this

[lone flame]

yeah but now people can see "to much 200hz-1.5kHz"

but that ain't the way

you need reference points to something to be able to compare

[green marsh]

https://crinacle.com/2020/04/08/graphs-101-how-to-read-headphone-measurements/

try reading the normalization section

normalizing at a specific frequency only works when they are close

[lone flame]

exactly that's why i said round about 200Hz to 800Hz

that would be the best

[green marsh]

might as well just normalize by average db then

its 1000% easier

and produces basically the same resuilt

[lone flame]

this isn't the same result

there is no reference

[verbal fog]

i got a pair of boston a60s that need refoaming did i get an ok price and also are these good,

[elder thistle]

this 200-800hz is still normalized compared to the rest of the graphs

if almost everything else is lower, 200-800 will appear higher

also https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497302168005509120/1225883053491093575/harman_user.mp4?ex=6881318f&is=687fe00f&hm=6cb0524805737870c12a40d8b0ff2a6cf35a248c7139bb6ee19c6a952dc808bc&

[lone flame]

What in the Target Wars

[pallid wind]

I stepped up my audio game

[livid ruin]

needs more sennheiser /j

[pallid wind]

I was looking at them before but they only had one close back and it had very mixed reviews.

[livid ruin]

oh, no no no hd620s are meh 👎

[lone flame]

why no FT1?

[pallid wind]

what brand is that from?

[lone flame]

FiiO

[livid ruin]

fiio

[pallid wind]

oh them.

I saw that one as well but I wasn't vibing with the whole wood aesthetic thing they have.

unless they have normal design? I still have time to test this headset.

[lone flame]

i woud do that

FT1 is technically THE closed back nobrainer

[pallid wind]

uh. everywhere I looked, people were saying beyerdynamic was the top pic for close back

[lone flame]

bcs beyerdynamic is old af and around for 100 years now

[pallid wind]

I thought the DT770 Pro X came out recently? Hmm...

[lone flame]

they did.
FT1 too

about the same time

[pallid wind]

ah

What??? The FT1 is cheaper?! I should have looked more

Anyways, I'll take some time and decide what to do. So far I like the DT770 Pro X.

Firstly, cross off Beats

Oh you're looking for bluetooth ones?

I recently got the Sony XM6 and its been good for travel lately

Really? They're $448 atm

[pallid wind]

I've been using the DT770 Pro X today and it's been good. I'm just having some weird issues with the earpads and my glasses which my old headset didn't have any. Should I get different earpads?

[elder thistle]

the fiio ft1 is neither safe nor do I really enjoy how it sounds

[pallid wind]

I see, I think I'll keep my DT770 Pro X but I need to figure out my earpad issue

[elder thistle]

dunno. what did your old headphone's earpads look like?

[lean grove]

well the fact that its widely liked by the community, measures well, and has been almost universally liked by reviewers tells us that it probably is safe

[pallid wind]

it's like memory foam material

[elder thistle]

that's inside all earpads tho

actually I've seen some use cotton or something though, but it's rare

[pallid wind]

Here’s the headset.

[elder thistle]

oh the alpha S

[pallid wind]

yeah

[elder thistle]

those are crazy cushions, very unusual to find ones like that as the stock pads for a headphone

a little more common in gaming headsets

[pallid wind]

I see. I wanted to move away from gaming headsets

[elder thistle]

you can put 3rd party earpads on the 770 pro x, but it'll severely change the tone

[pallid wind]

yeah thats what im worried about. also I just got them today so maybe it might losen over time and it will be better?

[elder thistle]

it takes a while but yes, they'd eventually conform around your glasses

[pallid wind]

I see. I do have 30 days for return so I'll see how it goes.

[red quest]

uhh @stuck bolt

jeezus fuck

my phone couldnt even focus

the highest i've pushed this baby

[karmic sparrow]

anyone here have experience with lambskin earpads on headphones and how it deals with sweating?
these are my everyday headphones so need someting thats comfy for longs periods of sometimes sweaty use.

[warm scarab]

look into the correct places

dt770 is an ages old headphone people have convinced themselves to be relevant

completely missing the point why people used them in studios

which was that the thing lasted very long and was very cheap

[lone flame]

FT1 are safe. atleast now.
The old QC issue is gone and yeah. a Majority of the people really like the FT1

also a reason why they are out of stock permanently

[lone flame]

uh well.
sheepskin earpads diff

very comfy 😄
But that's the natural ability of skin, to build up heat

[lone flame]

btw i tried FT1 with glasses

i have thiccer glasses and for myself it worked perfectly fine

i even had no seal issue so no real change in sound espacially bass frequencies

[pallid wind]

Oh thanks for letting me know. Do you use them for gaming by any chance?

[lone flame]

nah.
i actually use them rarely
I like them.
But i like my Audeze more

in my head they work for gaming

but that varies from person to person anyways

[pallid wind]

for sure

[tacit glade]

these 3 headsets are within my budget, can anyone recommend which one to choose?

not a huge audio person I just need it for gaming and just looking for best value of money

[lone flame]

Cloud III Wireless S probably

tuning is awesome

even if its 130 pounds

[livid ruin]

you can always return your headphones within 2 weeks if you live in us, ca or eu

[pallid wind]

I got it from Amazon so I got 30 days

[pallid wind]

Stay away from any HyperX products. They were bought by HP and I learned that the hard way.

[livid ruin]

they left this server

[pallid wind]

weird

[livid ruin]

probs didn't like i called all of them garbage

better

[static vale]

i wonder why spotify doesn't offer hi-res audio

[pallid wind]

They’ve been promising it for years now but they like to release useless features instead

[green marsh]

yeah they promised it to be out 3 years ago 😭

[static vale]

thats why i switched to apple music. does it work in a car if you use an aux? aside from using CDs of course

i feel like most aftermarket players have a built in DAC

[warm scarab]

because no one cares about it

exponentially more data cost for no buyers

[static vale]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[warm scarab]

crazy discord conspiracy theorist reveals that increasing the server loads by 500% for 1% of users isn't good for profits

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[green marsh]

they just need to recreate mqa but good this time

[warm scarab]

audiophiles will shit themselves the moment its revealed to be 0.0001% lossy

[red quest]

can one of yall help

How can i get this off

[static vale]

cover should just pop off

[red quest]

doesnt

[static vale]

flat head screw driver very carefully

[green marsh]

yeah if its not permanently attached it should just pop off when you pull

[red quest]

it doesnt move at all

[static vale]

model name? JVC ___?

[red quest]

All i could do for now

model is

SP-UXV10

[static vale]

this? https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1047477/Jvc-Ux-V10gn.html?page=5#manual

[red quest]

yeah but i only have the 2 speakers

so?

[static vale]

keep trying the flathead

[red quest]

kk

it should come off tho right?

[static vale]

carefully but yeah

if all else fails RTM

[red quest]

RTFM?

[static vale]

read the manual

[red quest]

well

its glued

should i rip off th eblue part or should i not

[green marsh]

smh

[zenith pawn]

apple music users spending extra for a lossless music service and then playing it on their phone speakers

[static vale]

Extra ?

[elder thistle]

reasons the ft1 isn't safe: low microdetail, boosted macrodetail, mediocre instrument separation and resolution, finnicky unreliable imaging, garbage timbre, harsh tuning, earpad material and large minimum fit

I have seen more complaints and returns of this thing than the m50x, at least as far as new people trying them

and thats because a safe headphone is a nonexistent premise

[pallid wind]

I saw a review saying that the sound stage makes you feel claustrophobic

[elder thistle]

it is small

normal dt770 has a huge soundstage in comparison

I assume that's at least similar with the pro x version

[verbal fog]

modern world my beloved

(dt 1770s are NOT the best closed back)

[static vale]

They work fine with a quality DAC

[lone flame]

Seperation is FR, macro and micro detail is idk what brain fart. Resolution is just FR. Imaging is FR. harsh yeah that's valid.
Earpad valid

[lone flame]

The only reason bcs of the returns was the hinge design.
FT1 came OFTEN with an broken hinge so Seperate Ear up lmao

[lone flame]

HRTF. It's different to everyone. Some people say HD800s Soundstage is HIGE and for some it's just mid

[livid ruin]

it's just websites without measurements, ignore those

[lone flame]

EQ helps ALOT with Soundstage and Sound Seperation

And stuff like macro and micro detail is not a fact. Just.
And so on my side... Nearly everything in that sound stuff is just FR.

So if you see stuff like "micro detail" or "macro detail" don't take that serious. Just terms with not a useful definition.

Like.
Tired ears can stuff sound so muddy lol
Audio is like pure Psychoacoustics 👌
Complicated af

And I personally would never recommend something of how I hear stuff or how it's comfy.
I say that I like or don't like the sound etc but that's my Seperate opinion

I often recommend headphones that I dont really like 😂

[elder thistle]

eq isn't going to change the foundational stuff about a headphone

maybe for you somehow... but not everyone else

the ft1 already has a width bias from it's tone. that stage is not going anywhere

ultimately it doesn't really matter if eq can cause these things or not on a scientific level. it's just not a set of variables consumers can control

but microdetail aka quiet sound pickup is a critical aspect for several competitive fps games

there are incredibly reliable and repeatable consequences for using headphones with too little, too much, or just right

and that's because we are humans that have a real world experience with sound, not just take in sound like a mic

whether we understand it or not is of no consequence to the phenomenon we experience

[verbal fog]

i usually ignore websites anyways but i have dt1770s and they are so far from being good they are NOT the best closed back

[verbal fog]

i feel like a good eq sits next to everything else when it comes to perfecting a solid audio setup but thats just me

[livid ruin]

could've been a worse beyer

for example the deafeners trillionz 990 proximity

like what is this?

beyer made these to get all gamers deaf

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/beyerdynamic/dt-990-pro

"raw"

that 9k is killah

[green marsh]

tone is fr???

dynamics is fr

everything is fr

[candid hare]

I'm trying to plug my phone in. I have a 3.5 to RCA cable I tried plugging them in each one but it didn't work

[static vale]

rca splitter to 3.5?

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-3-5mm-Auxiliary-Stereo-Splitter/dp/B015PZ7QO2?th=1

[candid hare]

Yes that's what I have

I had them on left and right on a

Was only working in one speaker

My tower speakers are only working like this ?

I connected through my CD player

[green marsh]

show the whole back how you have it connected

[candid hare]

The receiver is a Yamaha r s201 I just got it from the pawn show and was gonna give my grandpa back his receiver. I was disappointed when I got back it's not the 202 receiver. It also came with some cheap Jamo tower speakers. Im just gonna sell all this and my powered speakers for my desk setup and get some active monitor speakers

[verbal fog]

this place is insane

[elder thistle]

yeah

[red quest]

unsure where i should put this but

https://streamable.com/r06syj https://streamable.com/xcv64t