audio-tech

[haughty girder]

so you see uh

[upper dragon]

[warm scarab]

the blue

why

[haughty girder]

yeah that blue shelf is hilarious

[upper dragon]

Yea after making all those adjustments the over all volume is reduced

The high pass filter is just raise it back to normal

[haughty girder]

it's LITERALLY the embodiment of drawing a circle by first drawing the mona lisa

[warm scarab]

remember when we talked about digital clipping

[haughty girder]

no you do that through a positive pregain

not by a fucking shelf

[warm scarab]

having a positive pregain in eq is like

[haughty girder]

but because you have positive gain

[upper dragon]

That doesnt work properly like I thought either

[warm scarab]

directly clipping your dac honestly

but its still better than this

[haughty girder]

you're gonna be clipping if any music you play is remotely close to 0dbfs

[upper dragon]

Infact I would be rasing the whole profile lmao

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-what-wide-eyes-schoked-omg-gif-8497484

[haughty girder]

APP GIF

[warm scarab]

this has been one of the most notably cursed days in this channel

[upper dragon]

Ugh you havnt heard the damm thing😭

[haughty girder]

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT

[lean grove]

What are we even arguing about

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[lean grove]

Truly

What's the goal here

[haughty girder]

this guy thinks he's not clipping with that eq

[warm scarab]

i dont think i can love myself anymore

[upper dragon]

Im not deaf

[lean grove]

More power to him.

[upper dragon]

Its doesnt clip..

[warm scarab]

how

[lean grove]

If someone's clipping or not clipping in the privacy of their own home who cares

Genuinely

[upper dragon]

Yea

[warm scarab]

what is the gain

[upper dragon]

By not exceeding the actual peak limit

[haughty girder]

oops lmao

[haughty girder]

and how are you testing that?

[lean grove]

@haughty girder LOSER 🫵🤪

[warm scarab]

what is the negative preamp set to

[lean grove]

Getting worshipped

[upper dragon]

No distortion...

[haughty girder]

no

[upper dragon]

[haughty girder]

that's not how you test that

[warm scarab]

what

[haughty girder]

you bum

[warm scarab]

your

we literally put your video from the phone speaker

into a spectrum analyzer

[haughty girder]

ykw

it's cooked

[warm scarab]

and you had like 10 fucking layers of harmonic distortion

[haughty girder]

beyond saving

[warm scarab]

what the fuck do you mean you have no distortion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1376773911345107039/Screenshot_20250526_110703_Spectroid.jpg?ex=68368c1f&is=68353a9f&hm=df9dbcc3db01db4429599efc420532c2e457932f475453e53a18966c3fb29880&

you posted this literally 10 minutes ago

what is this

[upper dragon]

I didnt say there was non

Its just not very audible and sounds decent

[haughty girder]

also I'm not profiling but this explains a lot

[lean grove]

@haughty girder help me with today's connections

[warm scarab]

its 15dB below output level

[lean grove]

I'm stuck

[warm scarab]

tf is a din

[lean grove]

It's like noisy

[warm scarab]

thats an adjective

these are objects

[lean grove]

Noisy noise

[warm scarab]

your test is stupid

[upper dragon]

Fine ill go make an audio test since you think this EQ jist sounds like crap

It will jist be me switching eq on and off

[lean grove]

Unless you can do a frequency sweep it's not gonna tell us anything

[warm scarab]

id be impressed if you made it worse than what bt speaker ship with

[upper dragon]

Listen for the difference

[warm scarab]

but then again we saw the charts

[lean grove]

Sound demos are useless

[haughty girder]

I'm sorry I can't help here

I literally guessed

[warm scarab]

through a phone speaker

[haughty girder]

I don't know what half these things are

[upper dragon]

Headphones...

[warm scarab]

i meant microphone

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[warm scarab]

you gave me brain damage

[upper dragon]

S21 mics are good

[haughty girder]

it's acc so cooked I guessed din bear gummy bear teddy bear

[warm scarab]

how good is the question

hose, garter, teddy, slip

[haughty girder]

then I switched teddy with one cause I was like surely that's to throw me off

and I got it

and I don't know what any of it is

[upper dragon]

My mics can hear up to 23khz and down to 32hz and compression doesnt change the actual audio curve much at all

[haughty girder]

and how did you test this

[upper dragon]

Just played a 22khz tone through this speaker

And opened the app

[warm scarab]

upper end of your mic says nothing about its linearity

we arent concerned with hearing 23khz

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/door-disassembly-door-breakdown-breaking-door-door-gif-20313531

[haughty girder]

how are you testing beyond 20khz

[upper dragon]

This isnt true

[warm scarab]

i was right

[upper dragon]

Its as simple as that

[warm scarab]

you are so bad dude

holy shit

[warm scarab]

its this easy

[lean grove]

LOSER MORON IDIOT 🫵🤬

[warm scarab]

next time you are doing stupid buzfeed tests you should try being a bit like me

[haughty girder]

creep

[lean grove]

A knuckle dragging troglodyte who eats his own feces?

LOSER

[warm scarab]

no a dashing intellectual that can decipher any mystery at a moments notice

if you are so good how come you lost

https://tenor.com/view/cat-devil-devilcat-catdevil-catears-gif-26353341

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/farewell-kaden-waden-kaden-roblox-goodbye-gif-2588085765291027908

[dull trout]

currently suffering in tidal shit windows app

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-stressed-cat-banana-cat-gif-15455068164842202481

[pulsar obsidian]

it doesnt actually its fine

[zenith pawn]

your phone mics were upside down in this

[zenith pawn]

sennheiser users when you introduce them to 60hz

[verbal fog]

blessing of good audio uh i get to not listen to much music for a week or two and then i get to go back to old songs and they sound insane since i need to listen to ANYTHING but it also just is perfect nearly

grr i still wish my amp had more power but oh well ill run to the thrift store today and see if theres anything exciting

its only an issue in like less than 10% of the music that i choose to listen to but grr still

curse of it really shouldnt go above 0 but alas it does

[verbal fog]

i got new speakers we ball

they seem and sound reasonably nice

[frosty parcel]

best speakers for 100 (white, 3,5mm wired, clean look, low and high frequency speakers(if not 2.1), nice sound, for general usage). Do y'all have any recommendations, if so i would be happy:)

@lusty spindle what do u think ab the mr4s?

[lusty spindle]

they're better than the r1280 relatively

but cost more as well

[livid ruin]

💀

[verbal fog]

could try a thrift store uh thats where id take my 100$

what they could have

[sleek lily]

What is a good XLR microphone for cheap

Main use where quality matters is going to be recording keyboards

[hasty tundra]

ever since crinacle pointed out in one of his videos that with a really good audio setup most people unintentionally have their volume much higher than neccesary, Ive been slowly getting used to lower and lower volume. He was totally right, once i got used to it, 20% is plenty of volume for listening to music on windows and can still sometimes be too much. Just thought id share my findings and remind everyone to protect their hearing because its finite!

[verbal fog]

life is finite too sometimes you can gamble which you think is gonna go out first

also low volume is nice but grr bass that you can feel is nice too

[verbal fog]

if you die tomorrow youll have wished you played your music louder,,,,

thats how i run it

within reason

[livid ruin]

But some middle-late aged people also wish they should've played their music less loud

[hasty tundra]

right on. I'm just thinking about my future

[hasty tundra]

i had a NEEWER that was pretty good for the price. you'll need a discrete power supply though

[zenith pawn]

Where does he say thsi

I wonder how loud you had it

[plain otter]

totally agree with good headphones or good speakers its much easier to listen at lower volumes you dont need to turn up the volume so much to get more detail

[hasty tundra]

i used to listen at 40-50%

[hasty tundra]

precisely

[zenith pawn]

do you have a decibel meter

[hasty tundra]

nah but it was def over 80

now i listen at more like 65

just going by feel

i have a watch that can measure decibels but it's Z weighted not A weighted

[verbal fog]

ignorance is bliss when it comes to extracting a number out of my headphones i feel

for db*

maybe im damaging my ears at my current levels but ill never know >:3

[zenith pawn]

i thjink the only way is to use speakers and measure

[haughty girder]

depends on how cheap

if you're looking for a do-it-all mic

I'd say SM57

it's decent to good for everything

not the best at anything, but I've seen gigs where they just use like 10 sm57s on stage

for drums and amp and allat

[spare rune]

can anyone answer some questions about frequency/sample rate? I know that its mostly pointless beyond 48K but im curious to see why i have so much issue using the higher settings for my speakers and headphones

[warm scarab]

because most of your audio is in 48khz

your system tries to upscale it to the samplerate you set

[buoyant vale]

If you are getting artifacts then you might need to use a bigger buffer

[warm scarab]

and a higher sample rate in professional applications introduce a lot more delay so your system can struggle to keep up

[warm scarab]

cant set one in windows

thats the fun part

lol

[spare rune]

i did that when i used voicemeeter

[warm scarab]

i presume thats where the question is coming from

[buoyant vale]

usually there is some way to

[spare rune]

i mean it worked, but i was also trying to reduce the number of programs i have running in the background

[buoyant vale]

in your devices drivers or whatever app you are using

[spare rune]

so i tried using windows settings

[warm scarab]

with something like voicemeeter hijacking audio drivers yeah but base windows no I don't believe so

[spare rune]

voicemeeter is great but it didn't always work

[buoyant vale]

the real solution is just use normal samplerates intended for reproduction

[warm scarab]

@spare rune essentially there isn't a reason to go beyond 41khz if you want to have lossless audio and no reason at all to go above 48khz because that is the standard

go for 48 because thats what everything uses, more or less causes upsampling/downsampling typically

upwards of that is used in studio applications to have headroom for your tracks

so you can stretch edit and manipulate your recordings without having less fidelity and artifacting

[spare rune]

no current triple A games or anything use anything higher? i mean obviously not COD but maybe games where sound design is more important?

that makes sense

[warm scarab]

you like

physically cannot hear it

thats the thing

41khz was the decided norm for lossless playback after a lot of research went into what humans can actually hear

40.000 samples for the audio

and 100 extra samples for maybe if you have need for a headroom

hence 41khz

thats 2 samples for every frequency you are capable of hearing as a human

[spare rune]

kinda seems like how some people want 480hz frame rate when it starts to get less noticeable a difference the higher you go

eventually it wont be noticeable anymore

[warm scarab]

48khz is already like, an overkill if you look at what people can actually hear and cant

and upwards of that is straight up silly for audio reproduction

its exclusively for studio use

[spare rune]

alright well i guess i learned something

[warm scarab]

its like

people have a hard time telling 360 and 400hz refresh rate on monitors apart

and you are asking about a 40000hz monitor vs a 192000 one

[spare rune]

thats fair

ill just keep em down then

i had gotten it to work with voicemeeter but it didn't play well with icue anyways

[warm scarab]

yeah, you'd be a study case if you could hear between 192 and 48khz honestly

[spare rune]

then wait

why on earth did they start releasing master level quality on music platforms

if no one can hear it

[warm scarab]

money

also master quality is like

[spare rune]

[warm scarab]

41-48khz lossless

its not 192khz

i dont think anyone sells that

[spare rune]

i think on tidal they do

[warm scarab]

no

[spare rune]

unless i got it mixed up

i forget what they called it

[warm scarab]

on tidal they scam people by saying they sell lossless then they send their proprietary mqa recordings

[spare rune]

ah they called it Max

24bit 192khz

[warm scarab]

thats hilarious

yeah this is audiophile bait lol

[spare rune]

LMAO

yeah i dont use it anymore, havent for a long time. most of the stuff wasnt even available at that quality anyways, they just used it for marketing

[warm scarab]

if you were to get lossless recording and compact it to 320kbps mp3 which is considerably lossy you would see how small of a difference there is

most people cant tell them apart at all depending on the song

there are plenty of people who can hear the difference but it takes going out of your way to focus on testing them, no one really notices it if they aren't doing critical listening

[zenith pawn]

its physiologically impossible to hear any difference because you can't hear frequencies above 24 khz

so yeah its just a way to make more money by placebo

[spare rune]

yeah definitely heavily reminds me of the FPS debate

[zenith pawn]

that one has a real effect though in terms of latency

not just placebo

[spare rune]

i mean yes latency but if they just improved latency and didnt actually increase frame rate it wouldn't be any different

most of the time the "clarity" from higher refresh rates comes from reduced ghosting due to the rate of update and like you said, the latency

[zenith pawn]

conceptually you'll have less latency because the frame you're waiting for lasts shorter

[spare rune]

right

which is definitely true

[zenith pawn]

triple buffering can help massively on the other end though

[spare rune]

but that can be achieved by focusing on reducing only latency, not by just increasing the frame rate

its not actually the increased frame rate that looks better, its the reduced latency that occurs as the byproduct of the increase of frames

[spare rune]

that is true

[zenith pawn]

how would you reduce only latency without increasing the framerate

[spare rune]

one way is improving the speed of data transfer

not the only but thats one

[zenith pawn]

do you mean the latency of the display itself?

[spare rune]

that and the actual travel time through the cable. optical will probably make its way into the display field eventually

[zenith pawn]

I'm just mainly thinking about the latency of having to wait 16.6 ms for the next frame to happen at 60 hz, vs like 4 at 240

[spare rune]

also the refresh ability of the monitor to clear the image from the previous frame more clearly

[zenith pawn]

I think that's a lot larger than the output latency

[spare rune]

true

theres a lot of factors

probably should stop though this is the wrong chat

[zenith pawn]

Its ok

[warm scarab]

this is sample rate not frequency range

i think you confused them

[verbal fog]

wild news me and my bf decided that it wasnt unreasonable to go 50/50 on a new amp for just a "home stereo" so were getting one of these but for cheap itll be cool https://www.ebay.com/itm/225842662144

[warm scarab]

did someone in specific recommend it or did you just see the aluminium finish

[verbal fog]

i came across a nice marketplace deal

marketplace my beloved

i do want something 70s-80s though

although theres a sony es witht the cool wood panels from the 90s but its a little out of budget grr

[warm scarab]

how much are you paying for this

[verbal fog]

shooting for under 150 total

i may have also received notice that someone offered more than me so i might have to find something else

probably will have to since i woulda gotten it for 120 but oh well

[warm scarab]

go ask the dudes in sonic visions for vintage recommendations in that budget

vintage amps are super hit or miss, id go for specific models that people have previously used or inspected the schematics of

[verbal fog]

i mean i do partially just want it for looks

thats a very important factor to me

[warm scarab]

i think most things made at that time look incredible

[verbal fog]

sound comes second since it really cant sound that bad if its a reasonably piece of equipment

[verbal fog]

mmhm its insane but its good

i gotta get some wood treatement stuff to see what it does to my old wood stuff

it could maybe apparently look a lot nicer and it would be cool

oh also ive only heard two 70s receivers but theyve both ended up being my main one for x period of time that i owned them for

my current one is only a 20wpc though so it runs out of power occasionally when im making it fight to power my headphones but otherwise it does good

[zenith pawn]

Who said anything about frequency response

I only saw the part about the sample rate

[warm scarab]

well you said humans cant hear above 24khz

in reply

[zenith pawn]

but that's what the sample rate causes

[warm scarab]

no?

increasing samplerate doesnt mean you increase the upper frequency limit in a recording

[zenith pawn]

what?

that's literally the entire function of it

bruh xiph let their certs expire

[zenith pawn]

What do you think it does

[zenith pawn]

vanadium doesn't let me bypass the cert

[warm scarab]

provides more samples per frequency

[warm scarab]

no it isnt

you can use it for that

but in 99% application thats not science use

no one uses 192khz samplerate for that

[zenith pawn]

that doesn't do anything

its not stair steps

[warm scarab]

have you ever read what windows says next to the 192khz in captions

[zenith pawn]

no I don't have windows

what does it say though

[warm scarab]

studio quality

[zenith pawn]

I thought we were talking about audio playback though?

[warm scarab]

he asked what it was for

I answered

no one uses 192khz for upper hearing limits outside of science

[zenith pawn]

I didn't see that

[warm scarab]

here

then the conversation derailed into that

[zenith pawn]

This was just the part I saw

So that's why I responded with that

Most people are probably buying tidal to listen to it not to do remastering or editing

[warm scarab]

i mean its literally meant for studio use

and most lossless tracks are rated at 41khz to 48khz

[zenith pawn]

they're not marketing it as that though

qobuz is worse

[warm scarab]

to be fair

tidal and qobuz subscribers dont even make up 1% of listeners

[zenith pawn]

they blatantly lie in their marketing saying it sounds better than 48khz

with fake diagrams

[bronze python]

What do you guys think of the xm5's ANC?

It kind of seems lack luster

maybe im expecting too much

It can't really block out the annoying mid range to high frequencies

[livid ruin]

yes

it’s not easy to implement

[molten wasp]

Hi, I need some help to get new headphones.
If anyone can, please help me at #peripherals

[spring gazelle]

im looking for tws iems for like 70€
the nothing a1 buds are available at a price like that right now, should i get them or are there others that are more worth it?

[nova crest]

is sennheiser hd560s a good upgrade from my philips shp9500?

[livid ruin]

probably yes

[pliant whale]

I like listening to music or podcasts while in the shower (can't have a bath as a precaution for my epilepsy), and I had a bluetooth shower speaker (generic chinese BTS-06 that is all my local Asda sells under their own brand) that I put on the soap tray as I could never get the suction cup to work to put it on the wall, and having it on the edge of the bath or the windowsill was too quiet for me over the noise of the water. It stopped working this week and it seems like water finally made its way in (I can see white dust on the PCB after opening it up and there was still water under the buttons over 24h after last using it).

I'm trying to locate something slightly better quality shower speaker that I can use, either that sits outside the bath, or is suitable to have inside the bath. Is IP67 alright or should I be using IP68 for this purpose as it will get hit by the water if the suction cup fails. Does anyone have recommendations?

(I'll probably be elsewhere when you reply, so do ping me please or I won't see it)

[full cape]

i need some help. i already got the Focusrite Vocaster One from a friend since my Scarlet solo 2 fried itself and my mic qwq.
I need a new mic. i currently cant afford anything too expensive (i had the shure SM7B from a friend before) and im currently looking at the beyerdynamic M70 Pro X. Is it a good choice or rather not?

[full cape]

Do you want wireless or wired?

[elder thistle]

they're kinda similar, yeah

good luck getting earpads though

the 560s is wider, less bright, a little more natural sounding

not nearly the increase it should be for 3x the price

[warm scarab]

id say so yeah

[spring gazelle]

wireless (as said "tws")

[full cape]

Yes

[spring gazelle]

yes as in i should get them?

[full cape]

They are good. I tried them before. A bit bass heavy. But still

[spring gazelle]

heard aswell theyre bass heavy but not too muddy

ill order them, should arrive tommorow

they look cool aswell

[dull trout]

check out realme buds air 5 pro
if you dont mind chinese tws that is

well air 6 pro is there but the only difference is +5db ANC

[nova crest]

aww, for an upgrade i was actually hopeful for getting a slightly significant change

my other option rn is the dt770 pro but that's a slight diversion from the sound signature i enjoy

[elder thistle]

significant, just not half in scale with the kind of changes you see between other headphones

e.g the hd560s could be seen as a $120 shp9500

or the shp9500 a $150 hd560s

the difference between an m20x and m50x looks much larger

or hd280 pro vs neumann ndh20

[livid hollow]

do i need to add 20 db in bass?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1378350936082219108.webp?size=48&name=e4089e5007c2177db368470329a6e5be

[elder thistle]

do you want to explode

nah but a weird interpretation of the target could be used instead

have it shelve up 9db max, let it still roll off towards 20hz, and slightly boost the midbass more than the target

I do this for the mc450

[warm scarab]

rip bozo

[livid ruin]

poor seal

other reviewers measured them without such substantial drop in bass

i've also worn 510bt and i can also say they don't have such roll-off in bass which have similar'ish sound profile

[hasty tundra]

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMedia-Certified-Computer-Speaker/dp/B000062VUO/ref=pd_ci_mcx_pspc_dp_2_t_5

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Speaker-System-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B07D93Z6ML/ref=sr_1_6

Im looking into getting a 2.1 setup on a tight budget. Are either of these a good value?

the klipsch is a bit out of my budget but if its worth it...

honestly considering going used and jerry rigging something if that yeilds better results

[lean grove]

The promedias are way better than the logitechs. if you're patient they go on sale pretty often

ive seen them as low as $70 at walmart but that was a few years ago

https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B000062VUO

logitech makes shit speakers you should never pay more than $20 for any logitech speaker

[hasty tundra]

that's what i thought too. but i had a buddy who had a logitech sub that actually sounded really nice but i never got the model number

[warm scarab]

i can assure you the promedia is better

[hasty tundra]

i believe you

and i don't doubt it

i know klipsch has a good reputation

[lean grove]

they have an okay reputation

they're like. at the higher end of what people can expect from best buy but most of their speakers are kinda meh compared to the stuff you can buy online or at speciality stores

[dim matrix]

hey guys, i am currently in the market for some wireless headphones for gaming
they need to have good sound and atleast a decent mic (just enough to be able to vc with friends, i dont stream or anything)
preferably also some good build quality so they dont shatter if i drop it once
lets say any price is fine as long as the product makes up for that price

any suggestions?

[patent jolt]

Hello!
I picked up a cheap mic (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FNGKZ9D) 5 years ago (I was young and ignorant and saw something cheap) and it's always been really quiet. I've lived with it though. I recently started recording videos and the audio quality seems to be a bit unstable due to my 1995% gain boost in OBS. It is an XLR connector, so I was wondering if getting a simple Audient EVO 4 (a lot of people seem to like it for its simplicity, functioning quality, and price) to use as an interface and preamp would help clean out such a high gain boost because it'd use hardware for the gain instead.

And example of the instability of my current mic setup shows sometimes, like in the following video (https://youtu.be/o6xKTsl0H4M&t=142) (at the set timestamp) when I say "I don't know." It seems to be from the lack of a downmix from stereo to mono on my microphone audio input, but it seems that the lower speaking volumes causes the audio to still get wonky. Still wondering if a proper preamp/interface would help mitigate that. (Also, the high gain causes a light static. Can be heard most when I'm not talking.)

Now, if I do get that EVO 4, which microphone would be good for about $100 USD? I see many people in this chat suggest the XM8500, SM58, and AT2020. My desk is in the living room of an apartment, so I don't exactly have a quiet place to record. Currently, the cheapo condenser microphone I have picks up just about everything in the apartment. Any suggestions? (Keyboard and mouse are also not the best, so they make some noise. Also my PC fans can get a bit noisy.)

Edit: I've also heard that the SM58 with the SM7B's RK345 Windscreen can help a lot with plosives compared to the SM58's default ball shaped... thing.

Thank you!

[glad creek]

2 fosi mono v3 or 1 nc502mp for 2 ohms load ?

[glad creek]

You would be WAY better off with a new microphone rather than shelling out money trying to improve the bad one you own
And if you want to buy a 100$ EVO 4 then a 100$ microphone, I'd advise not, you don't need a 100eur audio interface

I'd rather have a good 50-70eur XLR 48V phantom powered mic, a 40-60eur audio interface (power, gain and ADC) and put what's left in a better and good boom mic arm, because you may not believe but the arm is to me the most important thing once you have a good enough XLR mic / audio interface (which you don't)

Or just a good USB microphone, but still with a good mic arm

Anyway, don't shell out 100eur in a Audient EVO 4

[patent jolt]

I mean, mic wise, i've seen SM58's on ebay for, sub 40 anyway. so i could possibly do that instead of buying new?

Plus, i dont mind spending a bit. nor do i mind seeing if i can get something a bit better out of what i have (despite its cheap nature), knowing i can use the interface for something better mic wise in the future. im not strapped for cash, or else i wouldnt be getting anything in the first place, but if you have any reccomendations for a mic/interface, do tell.

[glad creek]

I dont' have any recommendations since I don't live in the US but yes buying used is a really good idea

And if you do want to spend money on the whole setup, sure, but please also spend on the accessories like a good boom arm, believe me it's way more important

[dim matrix]

im in the market for some wireless headphones, and a big point for me is the mic quality, do you guys have any recommendations?

[warm scarab]

wired mic 👍

[patent jolt]

Bump for suggestions/recommendations?

[molten lotus]

any IEM recommendations?

budget $100

for valorant, need the surround sound shit

[livid ruin]

yeah... imo iems at 100 won't do that

their soundstage is not good

[molten lotus]

Ngl I can go up to 200

I can do over ears too

[livid ruin]

hd560s

[livid ruin]

well, if you're purely looking for directional and spacious sound i wouldn't get iems and for openness... i would basicly throw them out of window as an option

unsure about iems at 200 rn that have very good instrument separation

[livid ruin]

i recommend if you can the older version with longer cable and better padding

but the new version is still good for the price, especially if you want less treble

[elder thistle]

$230 for something fighting with $30 headphones for instrument separation

you can't buy new earpads for the hd560s. at least not the originals, which are important to keep the sound

[zenith pawn]

I think by gamer standards iems are gonna be great

my truthear reds work great in Minecraft even without fancy hrtf simulation or anything

[livid ruin]

what are your choices below 200

as for headphones

[stone quartz]

Are the Sony WH-1000XM6s any good?

Or should I save a bunch and get the XM5s, or something else entirely?

[pastel egret]

I'm still using the XM4s, lasted a good 2.5 years now, and have been pretty decent

Only real issue's been that the headband's beginning to degrade

[warm scarab]

grab like

7hz zero 2

[zenith pawn]

I agree

They're a steal at that price and if you're used to gaming headphones it should be a huge upgrade even in games

[elder thistle]

I like the zero 2

there are still things $50 razers do better though

such as instrument separation

not by a lot tho

or cloud core with imaging precision

[elder thistle]

all of the headphones under $200 are choices if they're available and there's no criteria

[elder thistle]

if you mean headphones I personally find worth my money, for my use cases and preferences,

then mc450, r50x/m50x, and maybe dt880 600r I could all make a good case for

plenty of cheaper stuff, though ones I'd actually use each day if needed is probably limited to the lyxpro has15 modded

[twin cradle]

What headphones under $100 should I get to use with a PS5

[minor patio]

depends are you looking for just headphones or are you looking for a headset with mic

[twin cradle]

No mic

[minor patio]

For around $70 the Senheiser HD 400s are a solid option

[twin cradle]

Is it a trs plug

[minor patio]

3.5mm TRRS i believe

[twin cradle]

I need it to be TRS

[minor patio]

Why and TRS is referring to the the signals it can transmit if ur looking for PS5 that'll work fine

[twin cradle]

My mic won't work with trrs

[minor patio]

Oh are u trying to plug it directly into the mic

[twin cradle]

No

I just need TRS plug

[minor patio]

Gotcha I'm assuming u need 3.55 and not 1/4

[twin cradle]

Yes

[minor patio]

Could also try the Audio-Technica ATH-M30x tons of positive reviews people like those alot but also the Senheiser I recommended before is just a 2.5 to 3.5 detachable cable so you could always replace it the only reason it's TRRS and not just TRS is it had an inline remote with mic like alot of earbuds but u can change that out like I mentioned

[hasty tundra]

daft punk doin' it right absolutely humbles my hd599 XD

it can't even hit the lowest parts

my 40$ IEMs totally handle the lows tho

any suggestions for an upgrade from the 599s that can go lower without losing clarity?

i cant stand muddy bass XD

ive been considering a budget 2.1 speaker setup to solve that issue

[elder thistle]

it's easier to do this with eq on a headphone with already tight bass

the hd560s definitely isn't that

eq would also allow you to use more sealed earpads on various open backs for much higher bass efficiency

[hasty tundra]

i already have the crinacle EQ with peters equalizer on them

they sound good

ohhh

i see what you mean now

ngl i also just want to get this nice klipisch 2.1 set deal i saw for 150

[warm scarab]

which one

[chrome island]

Most sennies aren't really for bass, some can handle it most in my opinion are mediocre at it

[chrome island]

That's not true, a lot of options sub 100$ especially these days, heck CCA CST was a miracle sub 20$ when it came out, still in some ways it does things that barely any other IEM does, though that wouldn't be my go to solution for someone new to IEMs

[chrome island]

My personal favorite is NF Audio NA2, HiFiGo has the best price at least for EU folks. Generally they will do great for gaming even though they are more for enjoying music. But generally if you open like Linsoul, Shenzhen Audio or HiFiGo, most options you see there will do mostly fine for gaming, I'd look for a few reviews before buying them so you understand what you're getting into, but these days even something like Tangzu Wan'er beats options that were selling 250$+ in 2016

[livid ruin]

i’m talking about soundstage, immersion, imaging, instrument separation, etc. not just sound/ frequency response

yes it’s true iems have ass immersion.

[ocean pulsar]

Best ive heard on those fronts are the index earspeakers, then iems, my favorite are my novas, but after oodles of eq, I find the PRX to be quite nice too

What have you tried?

[livid ruin]

kz $10 junks, truthear red, novas as well recently

[ocean pulsar]

And what headphones do you find the Nova to be inferior to? (Since that's our only common iem)

[livid ruin]

$20 modded hd681 , he400se, hd560s, oneodio monitor 80, jbl tune 5xx/7xx series

what i would say is worse than iems in terms of immersion are turtle beach headphones for example

[ocean pulsar]

I used 400se and 560s
I found both to be far less positionally accurate

[livid ruin]

maybe just my head but iems sound like they’re inside my head and trying to create an affect they’re not

[livid ruin]

i’m not arguing with that

[ocean pulsar]

Wait so wdym?

[livid ruin]

the music/sound like it’s coming from your head

[ocean pulsar]

What I mean by this is the direction sounds come from is far more accurate on the novas than either the 400se or 560s were

[lean grove]

Mfw the things that are less than an inch from my ears sound like they're less than an inch from my ears

[ocean pulsar]

That's where games come in with hrtf and other audio magic

[livid ruin]

that’s putting a band-aid over the issue

[ocean pulsar]

Other way around imo

[livid ruin]

yes, with iems i can tell from where the sound is coming from and estimate the distance, but they still sound like it’s coming from my head

[ocean pulsar]

If a sound is meant to sound like a sound from a point, your iems are able to reproduce that more accurately than the headphones can, are the iema not more accurate?

You can always add reverb if you want, but you can't really add accuracy via software or hardware...

[hasty tundra]

i mean i don't want a ton of bass. I just want my speakers to be able to play the full range of the songs I listen to

i know the sennies aren't known for their bass

but their clarity is too notch

[hasty tundra]

the promedias

[zenith pawn]

some iems manage to not do it idk how

Like my truthear reds do not sound like they're in your ears

its super obvious when I switch to the zero:2

[elder thistle]

I actually had issues with both of these too

400se because planar and getting wacky/random with imaging

560s because it's very hard to tell when something's behind me in most games

there's a design advantage with most open backs over most iems in terms of how much of the ear geometry interfaces with the sound

the hrtf of that person's ears gets partially used to control tonality and delays and such

iems have to achieve this through generalizations and ultimately luck

though they can still be completely capable of precise imaging

[patent jolt]

for the universal control, during installation, it gives me the option to insall bunch of USB drivers, do i need to or should i only keep the studio USB drivers checked due to me only having the 24c?

[livid ruin]

yeah the he400se is wack

[next warren]

I'm looking for a new headset that is $60 or under any suggestions

[chrome island]

That very much depends on the IEM, something like the cheapest KZs aren't good at it, but going step above it you can find a decent variety

[next warren]

I would go up to $80

I just want something better than my old steelsseries arctis 1s

[primal fulcrum]

Chat, what's your verdict on the new Sony 1000XM6?

[warm scarab]

cloud 2

[elder thistle]

I haven't used an arctis 1, so I have no idea which areas are hard or easy to beat, neither if those areas are relevant to beat based on your preferences and use cases

[hasty tundra]

i'll let you know when i find 448$ on the ground

[zenith pawn]

holy shit that is expensive

[nova wagon]

From what can be seen, XM5 style and material choice with XM4 level of foldability and portability?
no great sound review atm

[livid ruin]

you pay for anc, not for great sound

[chrome island]

It's generally competing with something you can get with cat ears for 20$

[civic beacon]

IMO, not worth upgrading from my WH-1000XM3's, but maybe worth it if you don't yet have a pair.

[cyan quest]

how hard would it be to make a "instrument" (piano like) with a MOS Technology 6581 sound chip (x2 for 6 channels if possible) and have it programable with tuning? more of how much would it cost.

tbh i wanna try making music with the c64 audio chips, i just love the sound but i need something affordable but i want tuning options , I'm not smart enough (yet) to make my own board and setup/softwhere

[ocean pulsar]

Google c64 vst or 6581 vst

[red quest]

https://streamable.com/pdj6ay

[frosty ocean]

18 dollars. Hopefully they dont sound bad

Says "broadcast", but from what i remember of broadcast radio and tv, that might imply the sound quality is shit because the broadcast is gonna sound subpar anyway

[elder falcon]

Between the audize maxwell and logitech pro 2 wireless, for pvp, mmo, survival type games which is better cause I have alot of the logitech eco system already getting a different type means more software

[cyan sapphire]

I fucked up

[livid ruin]

yeah that connector sucks

that's some bit of chipped plastic

[frosty ocean]

Buy some pins?

[cyan sapphire]

Ill just get a new cable

And tweezers

I had them next to me in bed and I fell asleep and rolled over

[livid ruin]

which iems are those

[cyan sapphire]

I/O volare

[livid ruin]

such an expensive iem and the connector sucks

actually

[cyan sapphire]

There are iems 5x the price that use 2 pin too

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/MCIGICM-Header-2-45mm-Arduino-Connector/dp/B07PKKY8BX

[livid ruin]

some variations

but letting the pins to be exposed or without casing is asking them to be snapped when the device is a wearable

[cyan sapphire]

Well it has the recession there

I just squished them pretty hard in my sleep

[frosty ocean]

How are they even supposed to stay plugged in?

1mm of socket?

[livid ruin]

you want this on a properly designed connector for wearables

atleast

or redesign it entirely

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1379905134309544106/20250604_123008.jpg

[cyan sapphire]

Yea i think some companies do that but others prefer to keep their stuff compatible with aftermarket cables

[frosty ocean]

5 feet deep, and a threaded retaining pin

[cyan sapphire]

The round connectors are less popular but probably wouldn't break like this

[livid ruin]

atleast make the pins shorter bruh

if i would break accidentally such braindeadly designed connector i think i would blame the design because it should've been more thought-through

[cyan sapphire]

You should see how some other iems implemented it

Like mega5est

[livid ruin]

please stop

i don't want to see this

[cyan sapphire]

[livid ruin]

are they sure that connector wasn't supposed to be used internally?

[cyan sapphire]

I think they make them like that so you can use any 2 pin aftermarket cable because the amount out recession isn't standardized

[livid ruin]

good point but doesn't change fact that it just sucks as a connector, maybe equip iems with two connectors? but would probably introduce other design issues

[cyan sapphire]

2 pin is the most common but some use this mmcx

Seems less prone to breaking off inside

[frosty ocean]

Looks like it costs 50 dollars more

[livid ruin]

i'd take this over 2pin all night and day

[livid ruin]

uhh you can buy them for about 2 bucks

[cyan sapphire]

You can pivot thr mmcx ones too

[frosty ocean]

Did they repurpose a uFL connector?

micro mino coax. I was pretty close

Good news. My headset works. Bad news. I'll probably never use it...

[livid ruin]

@cyan sapphire a redesign like this would be maybe nicer and still compatible with most aftermarket 2 pins

[cyan sapphire]

Yeah or a sheath kind of thing thats just structural

[cyan quest]

yes but i want physical items

[graceful canopy]

hey i was going to get the sennheiser 560s because they’re 100$ right now and a couple months ago were close to 200 but its got me thinking, is there anything better for 100$?

and should i even consider IEMs? i mostly play games and listen to music casually

[warm scarab]

i think that is a good purchase

100 is a very decent price

[haughty girder]

nah this wouldn't work at all

use the entire connector for reinforcement, don't add more pins that can break

[livid ruin]

yes my example wasn’t the best but even adding three pins worth of material would make the connector significantly tougher to break

also i thought of cables that would not have the casing would wiggle too much when the cable’d be fully seated in iems

i made that example that would be probably be not so wiggly and would work with aftermarket connectors

anyways enough of my yapping

[torn shore]

mmcx is kinda fragile

[warm scarab]

mmcx kinda sucks

[verbal fog]

grrrr curse of i cant get a high wattage amp for my headphones

i bought one today its powerful it woulda done good but the pcb was cracked so i fixed it and im still out one channel

and its 80s plastic so it comes apart like garbage

but its like a near totl 125wpc so i also kinda feel like i have to give it some love

and also that one channel that does work does sound fairly nice so i want it

i forgot to say uh its a sansui a1230 its ugly as hell but i do think its really fancy i believe in it

its also insanely heavy and has a fancier circle shaped transformer

and most of its lights are out and anything that can be pulled off the front has been

[warm scarab]

looks ok

just install new leds

ez

[verbal fog]

grr i wish it was that easy

[warm scarab]

you could have checked this before buying

[verbal fog]

most of the wires on the inside are NOT connectors and the main panels are uh the top and bottom/the u shaped front and sides all one piece held onto the rest of the chunk by a billion old wires

[verbal fog]

it powered on that was good enough for me

thrift store grr

i dont wanna bring stuff there since they might think im stealing

[warm scarab]

old amps do be that way

[verbal fog]

mmhm tragically

and i mean maybe i dont wish for uh 40 year old plastics

[warm scarab]

no i still blame you dont get me wrong

[verbal fog]

but grr still

[warm scarab]

should have paid for 40yo brushed aluminum

at least it would malfunction in style

[verbal fog]

this was probably unique because it wasnt that

iirc it came out in 1982 so they coulda

[lean grove]

Oh it's got a headphone jack. I thought you were some psycho who plugs their headphones into speaker terminals

[verbal fog]

mmhm yeah i almost exclusively use receivers for my headphones but man they do such a good job

dedicated headphone amps are expensive and the first time i got one it didnt sound as good as some of my receivers so i ended up giving it away and i dont regret it that much

and also receivers are more fun :3

[lean grove]

Wonder if you're just used to a bad quality headphone output with high impedance

[verbal fog]

i might be but i dunno i also eq a lot and the extra power helps a lot

i enjoy it though a lot and some people like my setup a lot and some people dont but it works good :3

my main amps only a 20wpc though and itll occasionally max out the vu meters and distort but rarely but i can make it do that reasonably ish

grr i want this thing to work a lot more than i do my average broken item

i think its because i paid money for it though

[warm scarab]

me?

[warm scarab]

speaker tap it

the resistance on the headphone sockets on vintage amps is typically insane

fucks with the frequency response

try speaker taps and if there is ground noise make an attenuator box, costs you like 4 resistors

[verbal fog]

maybe but also im pretty happy with what i have

but some day i will probably build that contraption

[warm scarab]

its not a contraption man

its like

5 crossed wires

[verbal fog]

my resistors are probably like 1/2 watts or 1/4 watts or something so i dont know if theyre up for it but it could happen

and i dont feel like bunching together a bunch either

[warm scarab]

it takes 1 minute

[verbal fog]

one day,,

[warm scarab]

bro is afraid of having good audio in his life

https://robrobinette.com/HeadphoneResistorNetworkCalculator.htm

non inductive thing is like a cope btw

dont go paying 20$ for a non inductive resistor

[verbal fog]

ill get around to it maybe one day ill see

[glad creek]

Which one did you get? Nowadays for 150€ or less you can get amps that have basically no flaws as long you have enough power. Which should be the case for 99.9% of headphones at normal volumes

Got new speakers and new power amp
It's really amazing, though I really need to set up room correction

Just for reference the TV is 65", those speakers are HUGE lmao

[twin cradle]

What low spec program should I use for changing keys and bpm of audio

[verbal fog]

schitt modi

or magni grr

the cheap common small plain one

either way though i didnt like the sound of it as much as my older 70s stuff

[glad creek]

I have a magni, tbf it's highly unreliable and the first versions were really bad sound-wise

Mine has broken like 3 times!! Hopefully I have micro soldering gear and repaired it

[halcyon knot]

Those speakers lead me to believe that you need a 75inch tv at least

[glad creek]

I do, a 77" LG G5 oled haha

[halcyon knot]

G series eh, nice

Still rocking an older LG IPS (circa 2021) for my big 75" display, if only because it gets a LOT of abuse

Something to be said for some good speakers though, always painful to see a bunch of nice equipment and two tiny speakers that probably don't have drivers any bigger than the headphones sitting next to them.

[stone quartz]

Is this a safe way to control the 12V trigger in my receiver?

So that it comes on with my PC

[frosty ocean]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/7194isymXDL._SL1500_.jpg

[zenith pawn]

cable

[glad creek]

Yeah people have started to give attention to audio in the pc world, but I feel like only for headphone

I know a guy who has a dx3 pro+ and a hifiman Arya and is always raving about how it sounds so good.... But watches movies on the freaking TV sound??????

[zenith pawn]

the built in tv speakers are better than some soundbars tbh

[frosty ocean]

Just buy a reciever from Goodwill

[shrewd rover]

So question
What would be a good fathers day gift? Dads been hinting he wants some earbuds and I'm looking for a nice premium pair.

[lean grove]

https://subtonic.audio/pages/storm

[zenith pawn]

what is that 💀

[shrewd rover]

5k earbuds that have a wait list

Unless those come with a built in forcefield or anti gravity they are not worth it

[zenith pawn]

9 drivers

[shrewd rover]

Yeah can I get realistic suggestions? Like normal fathers day suggestions XD

Limit is 300

[lean grove]

give a realistic budget

[zenith pawn]

its built out of titanium apparently

[lean grove]

ah

[warm scarab]

you dont have titanium in ears?

wtf

id never put anything not titanium in my ears

[zenith pawn]

I have a great $25 to $50 anecdote otherwise idk

[lean grove]

Check out the Meze Alba.

[shrewd rover]

Even if they were made out of adamantium no earbuds are worth 5k

[lean grove]

yes but a father's love is priceless

[shrewd rover]

You pay for my dads love then XD

[zenith pawn]

Why put a $5k price tag on it then

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[shrewd rover]

So any suggestions for
300$ limit headphones
WIRELESS
Type c charging.
Black

[zenith pawn]

if iphone then maybe airpods pro 2

wireless makes the options a bit expensive

[shrewd rover]

....crap does he have an iPhone

[zenith pawn]

there's another clone that's supposed to be good from that one android company but I forgot the name

[shrewd rover]

80...90% sure he has android
Like everyone else in the family

The most I ever paid for a phone is 400

[warm scarab]

airpods are legitimately good honestly

you get locked out of some features on android but it may still be the better choice

im unsure what else to recommend here thats wireless

[shrewd rover]

These are the ones I'm looking at

And yeah he does have an android

[halcyon knot]

It doesn't really help that the high-end of non-headphone audio goes into car-priced crap with gilded doorknobs.

[shrewd rover]

My most expensive headphones for PC was 200

[halcyon knot]

Think I'm at about 1.5k in audio gear for my setup, between the speakers, dac, amp, interface and mic.

[shrewd rover]

Damn

[halcyon knot]

shrug Stuff accumualted over the years.

Upside to non-integrated audio solutions is building it out piece by piece over time, and being able to do the same when upgrading parts

[glad creek]

what ?

You know it's not true for everything lmao

Nor is it never the case for headphones

There are multiples 4 grands + (up to 50) headphones

[halcyon knot]

Headphones yea, not so much. Speakers? Plenty of 100k+ options

[glad creek]

Yeah well it's not because there are options at 100k that it means there is nothing at reasonable prices

Though it sure is a bit more expensive

[halcyon knot]

Yea, and the reviews are a LOT less helpful when choosing compared to things we can actually objectively benchmark consistently.

[glad creek]

I use audiosciencereview, audioholics and erin audio review

Those are objective measurements

[halcyon knot]

ASR has its moments for sure. Good measurements for dacs especially.

[glad creek]

they use klippel thingy that allows to remove the room from the measurements

[halcyon knot]

Measurements are great for making sure things don't have obvious problems, but rarely seem to dictate if we'll actually like how the damn things sound. Ribbon tweeters are a great example. Measure great. Can't stand being in the same room as one.

[austere lodge]

nothing ears are basically the same as the ear(a) but with wireless charging, a bit more app options, and a larger case, i wouldn’t consider the upgrade remotely worth it unless you are somehow getting a deal, which you clearly aren’t

i’m actually not certain if this is true after a bit of research

[shrewd rover]

They aren't for me? It's a fathers day gift for my dad XD

[austere lodge]

oh sorry haha, i just saw the message i replied to

yeah get the shinier one for your dad if you end up going that route :)

[austere lodge]

an advantage of the airpods pros and nothing is that they have stem squeeze controls versus entirely just touch surfaces, and if your dad is anything like mine is definitely the type of person that gets bothered alot more by annoying/fiddly controls (combination of age and dadness)

[warm scarab]

speakers are just better in terms of raw audio quality

and after you climb the 300$ wall they are just way higher in price/performance compared to headphones

[glad creek]

If you know what you like you can then know what measurements you don't like

[glad creek]

Headphones cap out fast yeah, I also think that above 300€ for a pair of headphone you start to hit diminishing returns really hard

[warm scarab]

as a 300€ headphone owner

nah

large diminishing returns hit you after 1k

you can get sizeable upgrades up until 1k and even after for a bit

speakers idk ive not listened to any crazy expensive ones

[zinc rain]

I’ve purposely stopped myself from dumping money into audio but I would like a nicer setup

My HD560S’ and AT2020 USB have been carrying me for awhile lol

[steady urchin]

Sony XM5 ear buds

https://a.co/d/bfb9qvY

[dull trout]

cmf buds pro 2 available?

[zenith drum]

Anyone here use Airpods Pro(2nd Gen) with an Android phone? I just got some and the left one's controls will randomly stop working, music still plays and the right one works perfectly, but the left one stays in the mode it was in, even if the right changes, and the touch controls stop working.

It usually fixes itself if I put them in the case and let them sit for awhile, is the right one just dying?

-# Please reply w/ pings, thanks :)

[zenith drum]

I'm gonna be with a friend tommorow who has an iPhone, would it be worth it to set them up on her phone then just repair them to mine and forget them on hers?

[halcyon knot]

good luck, only pain in that direction

[zenith drum]

Not surprised a bit tbh. I got these for free from a conference I was at's raffle, and they're just so much nicer than my Nothing Ear 2s... Although those were great buds

[silent pebble]

Are the sony link buds S good now for like 100usd

[sweet vapor]

Yo I need a good Headset and Microphone for streaming preferably under 5k each. Any suggestions?

[trail whale]

Been using dt990 600ohm +g6 soundblaster
Switched to Audeze Maxwell, and I like it.

Anyone can recommend a small speaker for a pc?
I was looking at jbl but they advertise as water sand impact proof for outdoors
I do not care for outdoors, I just want sometimes to sit at pc without headphones and still get sound, and my monitor does not have the speakers, and using my headphones on high volume as speaker is not enough .

[zinc rain]

I’ve been thinking about picking up a DAC but idk

I’m not super happy with my AT2020 USB quality, but my 560S’s are fine

Being able to easily EQ a mic would be nice

[trail whale]

You do not need any of that
Try behringer c1 for a mic, good xlr
And some xlr interface
For headphones - whatever you like.

This should fit in like 500 usd easily
Not 5k

[trail whale]

Well I needed g6 because my pc at the time couldn’t push 600ohm

[zinc rain]

Yeah

I don’t remember what ohm my 560S’ are but my pc runs them easily

[trail whale]

Current motherboards should push high ohm easily
At least my current motherboard can

[sweet vapor]

Oh wait no no I meant 5k INR, my mistake

[buoyant vale]

impedance doesn't really tell you much, you need to look at the sensitivity too

[trail whale]

eh?
i only know about impedance, if your soundcard cannot push 600 ohm - it cannot push 600ohm

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

pushing ohms

[trail whale]

eh, technically you do not push anything, its just electromagnetic fields propagating

any of you know of a small speaker with battery for a pc?
Do not need it to be water/sand/impact proff, just smth to put on my desk and connect to pc via usb/3.5/wifi/bluetooth and use from time to time

( i asked it above a few hours ago but no answer, if i am in a wrong chat -> point me to the !wrong chat )

[warm scarab]

do you know what an ohm is

[trail whale]

resistance of the material, sure,
and i know that you do not push ohms

[warm scarab]

there is no formula of a soundcard being unable to push or push through 600 ohms

even if I have a kilo ohm of resistance provided its sensitive enough it will produce audio

[trail whale]

at what volume though
old pc with 600ohm headphones - audio the sound of a mosquito on a moving train
with g6 - i can deafen myself if i went above like 20% volume

[warm scarab]

the volume is literally not related to impedance

I have something that outputs 10 power that goes into something with 5 resistance and a formula of 1 power into 1 volume

10 - 5 = 5 volume

I have something on the other hand with 9 resistance but outputs 10 volume per 1 power

10 - 9 = 1 x 10 = 10 volume

[trail whale]

i have a pair of headphones with 300 ohm and 600 ohm
and i have 2 soundcards
1 card can produce good volume in both
another card can produce volume only in 300ohm
now say it does not matter?

[warm scarab]

yes

because its related to sensitivity

you are reading one portion of the formula and completely ignoring the other

any accurate conclusions you come to are complete guesswork and wont work on a second example

or maybe it will if you are lucky enough but thats the point, your formula is completely false

one is 300 ohms and the other is 600

yet despite this the 300 ohm headphone requires 200 times the voltage

[trail whale]

i was talking about needing an external soundcard to drive my 600 ohm headphones
and you just wanted to info dump on someone misusing the "pushing 600ohm"
congratulations, you shared your knowledge

for a normal user - get a card that can drive 600 ohm, instead of getting a pair of headphones based on their input sensitivity to "oh no" not go above 300
making sure card can drive the ohm your headphones are for - makes sure you do not get crappy sound on them

[warm scarab]

yeah and that is still completely wrong

because a headphone having 300 or 600 ohms of impedance is literally not relevant to how much power your sound card needs to output a volume

here you go this is the akg k1000

this is hd600

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

one is 120 ohms

one is 600 ohms

despite this I need way more power the get volume with the 120 ohm one

these are real headphones this isnt some imaginary scenario

[lean grove]

The impedance doesn't tell you how loud a headphone will get.

Doubling the impedance will half the power the amp can deliver to a headphone. But you can have a high impedance headphone, like the hd800, that is also very efficient and requires very little overall power to get to the volume you want.

You can also have something like the hifiman susvara which has a relatively low impedance that requires much more power to get to listenable volumes.

And then compare that to something like a speaker where the impedance is 8 ohms and it requires much much much more power than almost any headphone on the planet.

[buoyant vale]

imagine refusing to google sensitivity for an hour straight

[trail whale]

imagine trying to info dump irrelevant information that nobody asked for just to show you know it?
All i did was say

i needed a g6 soundcard to push my 600ohm headphones
but you could not keep it in your pants, could you?

[buoyant vale]

Stop clicking on the blocked messages

[lean grove]

Crash out incoming

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

but its still not related to the headphones being 600 ohms

[buoyant vale]

"irrelevant"

[warm scarab]

you just misunderstood what you need to power the headphones

and tied it to the arbitrary statistic of impedance

like dude fuck

do you stub your toe on a corner

then it rains

you think to yourself

if i stub my toe

it rains

[lean grove]

We're info dumping because this myth of impedance determining how hard a headphone is to drive has been spread for decades now.

And we want to make sure that people are educated so they stop spreading false information.

[warm scarab]

if you woke up in the morning and had a headache then i shot your dog

do you think this is related to your morning headache or me shooting your dog

do you think id shoot your new dog if you woke up with a headache again

[trail whale]

sure, but high impedance headphones are more likely to be less sensitive
that is why it was probably spread, as a rule of thumb (my assumption ofc)
and also i was talking about my case of needing a soundcard that could push my 600 ohm dt990

[warm scarab]

this isnt true at all though

most low impedance headphone have way less sensitivity

and most high impedance headphones have a way higher sensitivity, otherwise people would be forced into buying absurdly powerful amplifiers

[buoyant vale]

I wasn't even talking to this guy he just butted in to declare his ignorance of sensitivity 💀

[lean grove]

Yeah the 600 ohm dt990 needs an amp with more voltage than your average headphone amp. Correct.

But that's a correlation, not a causation. It is one of maybe ten headphones I would say "need" an amp compared to the hundreds of others that are usable with a basic headphone jack from a PC or dongle.

The Beyer dynamic headphones are a very very unique case where you can pick what impedance you want and it points to a linear trend that more impedance = more voltage needed.

But really almost every other single high impedance headphone are okay with pretty much everything.

https://youtu.be/PqlcJnoIcGo

This video does a good job of explaining it. It's ten minutes. There's some nerdy numbers in it but it's gonna explain it better than any of us will

[warm scarab]

beyerdynamics is probably one of the sole villain behind this dumbass myth

[trail whale]

can't say that myself, only had crappy headphones before audeze and beyerdynamic.
Also current motherboards can give enough for a dt990, my old one was too old so it was probably diff standard back then.
What about high impedance being on average less sensitive which requires extra power?
I could just whip a quick py script to scrape a website with the list of all headphone, but i assume it must have been done before me a thousand times.

[lean grove]

If there was never any opportunity to choose your headphone impedance it would simply not matter for 99% of people.

[warm scarab]

https://www.headphonesty.com/headphone-power-calculator/

there you go

hundreds of headphones already listed

just click on the headphone you want to see the power rating of

actually there is like 100 maybe because the admins are lazy

still plenty of examples

you can google the impedance and sensitivity of any headphone you want to look up manually

[lean grove]

Idk what there is on average but there's one spec (sensitivity) which translates 99% with how hard something is to power and there's another spec (impedance) which doesn't really correlate to how hard something is to power.

So looking at impedance is pretty much useless.
My sennheisers are 300 ohms and I can power them off a dongle with ease.

My AKG headphones are 120 ohms can with that same dongle they are barely listenable.

If I plug my 8 ohm speakers into that same dongle, the dongle will overheat and kill itself while making barely any volume.

There are too many exceptions to "high impedance requires extra power" to make it any worthwhile tool.

Meanwhile sensitivity explains all of these behaviors almost perfectly.

Impedance = sensitivity is a stereotype that is not very useful. It will fail about 95% of the time.

The hifiman he-5 is one of the hardest to power headphones in the world and it's less than 100 ohms.

[glad creek]

There is absolutely no correlation between impedance (ohms) and how "hard" it is to drive

[glad creek]

This is because in facts sensitivity should be given in dB/V/m and not Watts
As someone said here, watts depend on the impedance, thus it doesn't make a lot of sense to give sensitivity in watts, it should be in V which is constant across any impedance

Also... impedance isn't even a constant and depends on the frequency ... well I don't know how much it matters for headphones, but for speakers it does matter a lot

[warm scarab]

ok and i used db/1v to example that

[warm scarab]

literaly

[glad creek]

I'm just saying it should have been reversed, but sure sorry

I just wanted to add a bit on top of what you guys said

[zenith drum]

Update: I used the airpods last night and a decent amount today, and I haven't had the issue once, so maybe it worked itself out

[warm scarab]

you better be sorry

the cyberpolice are already mobilized

[zenith pawn]

what's the m there in dB/V/m

is that like meters displacement?

[stuck bolt]

Building your "first" speaker is hard af

Would've been really simply if it was just a normal 2 or 3 way. In a small simple box with a regular plate amp or externally amped. But, I've chosen the most difficult route

[lean grove]

the classic blunder

my first DIY speakers were 15" horn speakers that were the size of mini fridges

[stuck bolt]

I deadass chose the hardest thing to not only build, but tune as well, as I now have 4 crossover points

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-applause-applaud-cheerleader-gif-12591824

[stuck bolt]

Da box

[lean grove]

did you pick a troels gravens design

[stuck bolt]

No

It's kinda like Dutch and Dutch in the back with how the subs are

Amd a 3 way in the front. All sealed

[lean grove]

I dont think the D&D have subwoofers I think those are PR's

[stuck bolt]

Here's a photo the back during glue up

[stuck bolt]

Well..... mine got 2 8" Subs....

[lean grove]

nope im wrong

they're subs

neat

are you doing the funny ports to get the cardiod as well

[stuck bolt]

Tbh, I didn't fully expect the first box to go all 100% well. But things went wrong here and there and now it's cascading

[stuck bolt]

No, all sealed

For that transient response

Although the mid bass driver doesn't have all that volume, the subwoofers theoretically should cover that low end at its crossover point.

Any advise on my build is greatly appreciated BTW. As I'm kinda wanting to rebuild the box. Though, I'll be a waste of materials tbh

[lean grove]

looks like you've got enough clamps and braces. use T nuts to secure the woofers to the cabinet and use some weather stripping or thin foam around the drivers to help with the box seal.

[stuck bolt]

Well, it's already painted. So. Maybe if I build another pair

[lean grove]

also do you have a DATS

[glad creek]

Will you do active crossover? @stuck bolt

If I was going diy I'd take advantage of having full control over crossovers and I'd use a dsp to do the crossovers in the digital world then have one amp for each driver

[elder thistle]

a driver with a different coil weight is a different driver

but yes you can have a low impedance and high impedance coil be the same weight

it just isn't the same weight on the old beyer lineup

also,

headphones with x sensitivity at 1mw are not that loud at 1mw

1mw is a full scale 1khz sine wave, which is the centerpoint for dbA and perceived loudness / lufs

and that 1mw at 1khz is also a point on the frequency response of the headphones, probably on a flatplate rig

so 96db minus LUFS of the music, times frequency response weighting (maybe +2db for beyer because loud treble)

would be a good theoretical volume estimate

-7db lufs is modern day loudness war material

-36 is like a full range movie

at least for quieter parts

this is why apple dongle for hd600 is a bad stereotype. can't even come close to hearing damage territory for wide dynamic range content, sometimes too quiet to understand what's being said

though loud parts are still loud

[stuck bolt]

I got two of those

[glad creek]

What are they? @stuck bolt

[stuck bolt]

Those are my powered amps for my speakers

Got an AC filter in the back, 2 500w power supplies. A 400watt amp and a 600 watt amp

[stuck bolt]

Not much of a metal worker, so I kinds butchered the first one.

[red quest]

Hey mannyo

may i ask a question?

bascially i have a setup with 3 speakers 1 sub

but

idk how to make only the sub get bass and no sound

im using a car amp for 1 speaker and 1 sub

the top speaker and the sub is the one wired to the amp

[red quest]

@stuck bolt

[stuck bolt]

Can I see the back of the amp

[warm scarab]

you probably need to build a crossover

or but an amplifier with a dedicated sub output

[red quest]

sure but i have 2 speakers and 1 sub now xD

so it is a bit messy

wait, back?

oh im dumb, thats where u can adjust volume & stuff

is that it?

[stuck bolt]

The other side.

[red quest]

oh

so i am dumb

XD

okay a sec xD

the sub is in left plus and right minus atm

[stuck bolt]

You may need to get a separate amp or crossover for the sub, to separate the HF from the LF.

[red quest]

ah

so i cant actually do it just like on this 2 channel?

[stuck bolt]

So, if you get another amp, you can use the output at the front and go into the input of the second amp

[stuck bolt]

No not really

[red quest]

ight, ty for the info

appreciate it :)

[stuck bolt]

No problem

[red quest]

wait

mannyo

@stuck bolt

[stuck bolt]

Uh huh

[red quest]

this?

[stuck bolt]

That can probably work tbh

So, the output at the back goes into that, then the subs

[red quest]

also

i will be doing it with bare wires XD

cuz i dont have wires with those heads on it ^^"

[stuck bolt]

That's fine...

[red quest]

alrighty

[red quest]

yeah those xD

[red quest]

gimme gimme!

okay so mannyo

the input is the sub

or output

?

[red quest]

@stuck bolt this did it

it only has bass now

[stuck bolt]

Awesome

[red quest]

yee

btw these 3 things are running off of a 12v 24w 2A thing XD

[stuck bolt]

Oh

Well. I guess you'll find out if it's enough eventually

[red quest]

@stuck bolt

[stuck bolt]

Yo

[red quest]

One sec

[red quest]

oooops, forgot to send it ;-;

https://streamable.com/hkwqse

@stuck bolt

i wired the amp & sub in the car xd

[stuck bolt]

Nice job

I'm sure that sub can take a little but more juice

[red quest]

Yea

[frosty ocean]

Somewhere out there, there is at least one person who pronounces "M-Audio" "ˈmadi.o"

[frosty ocean]

I'm looking for a simple windows program for turning the midi input into sounds...soudfont2 support would be a plus

[west crypt]

is there any way i can turn my hd560s into a wireless headset i need something that turns it wireless and also adds a good mic to it is there anyway i can do that for 100$

[frosty ocean]

Are you willing to use an adapter and a patch cable?

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Bluetooth-Receiver-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B0DJVX45BM

https://www.amazon.com/FiiO-BTR3K-Bluetooth-Headphone-Unbalanced/dp/B085XT3V3X

This one if you wanna spend more money

[zinc rain]

Folks: what’s a way I could upgrade my audio setup? I currently have HD560S’ running straight from my pc, and a USD AT2020. My headphones are fine in their current state and I could upgrade them later, but I’d really like to upgrade my mic and maybe get an audio interface?

Don’t really have a budget in mind but I’m a very “bang for buck” person.

[warm scarab]

um2 is bare minimum

umc22 is the same thing but cooler and marginally better

audio interfaces btw

[zinc rain]

What’s the price range on those?

[warm scarab]

like

afaik

30-70

minimum maximum

should be in the middle like 50ish

[zinc rain]

Ah okay not bad

[warm scarab]

its a really good deal for what it is

[zinc rain]

I wouldn’t mind grabbing something more expensive if it was like a “you can use this basically forever” type thing

[warm scarab]

nah not really

like unless you have a legit use case they are either really marginal changes or function differences

by function i mean having like

2 inputs, buttons etc

[zinc rain]

This the one, yeah?

What connection is that mic input?

Oh it’s XLR it just looks different than what I’m used to

This will 100% be for pc desktop use btw.

man audio stuff is weird. Not only do I not know what I need, I don’t even know what I want.

[zinc rain]

With these being quite old, there’s concern online about the drivers becoming unsupported and whatnot. Is this a valid concern?

Yeah literally everything I look up about configuring it is people saying stuff not working properly cause drivers lol