audio-tech

[mighty forum]

sweet, better than 50$ for that one cable. Just as an alternative. Is this any better?

(it's kind of ugly)

[warm scarab]

i dont know what chip is in it

[ocean pulsar]

There's dozens of em, all are perfectly fine

[warm scarab]

it may be fine

but why do you want a brick when i gave you something that is a seamless wire

[mighty forum]

i def don't want a brick lol

It's 250$ iems so i don't mind spending more if I get more out of it. But yeah its ugly, but I'd build an enclosure for it and mount it next to my other audio jack

[warm scarab]

I can't claim whether there will be improvements or not

but people typically say iems dont scale much with audio gear since they are so incredibly easy to drive

if you really feel like it go get the 100$ ifi stuff see if you hear a difference after volume matching

but id put my money into it being a waste rather than a useful feature if you ask me

you can always return it if you dislike it

[mighty forum]

ill try it out. Thanks for the info ^^

[warm scarab]

np

[livid ruin]

for 20 usd as for dac i would look at jcally jm20 max

you won’t use microphone through the dac right?

[mighty forum]

nope!

I saw the JM20 max in some reviews but can't easily source it apparently. Not on amazon and 40$ on aliexpress + whatever the tarriff is X.X,

hear alot of reports the jcally dac do have static noise problem with sensitive iems

I'm just gunna end up order a ton of different dongle dacs and see which one doesn't hiss

[livid ruin]

i don’t think random cheap dacs without specified chips are going to have less issues than the jm20 max

heard some units of jm6 pro having hiss but i don’t think the jm20 /max has had such issue and widespread (atleast from what i can find)

if you have that sensitive iems i would advise agaisnt buying no spec dacs

[granite drum]

using a microphone trough a DAC wont work lol 🙂 you need an ADC for that

[livid ruin]

yes

i’m asking because some people use in-cable mics

[granite drum]

still would require an adc , technically you can even use your headphone speaker as a mic if you plug them in to the adc :D, but yes i understand what you meant now, you meant DAC as "Audio Interface"

where i read it as Digital Analog Converter (wich is what DAC stands for , and audio interface was often named "standalone DAC"before they came with mic and line in's

[mighty forum]

oh i bought ones with specified chips based on the discussion here. JM20 max isn't readily available though Either gotta order through aliexpress or ebay which its about 62$ not including tariffs

my iems are extremely high in senstivity, i think, its like a value of 130

Manufacturers were not helpful lol. They didn't even recommend their own product

would order the apple one but I'm meh about it

[tawny sage]

alr guys I really can't go over 100$. Idk if yall understand but it's way too expensive. (1$ is 300 times in here 😭🙏🏼)

I've found these headphones
Fiio JT1 - 62$
Phillips Shp9600 - 65$
Hifiman He400se Stealth -80$

what do u think? I only want over ear headphones. I use a focusrite solo 4th gen

mhm

[long linden]

Hey guys quick question for gaming which is better surround sound or headphones

Guys?

[zenith pawn]

headphones are gonna be a lot less work at the very least

idk about the surround sound gaming experience tbh

headphones mean you don't need to figure out room geometry though

[warm scarab]

400se is nice but im skeptical if you can drive it to a degree where you are happy with it without an amplifier

id definitely recommend it over even without an amp ofer shp9600

as for jt1 I don't really know about it

if you enjoy bass a lot 400se may lack rumble which you can kind of fix with EQ but im not sure how much of an EQ headroom you will have without an amplifier

[mighty forum]

It's nice. I value both my basic studio headphones and my basic 5.1. The experiences are just....different?

5.1 on windows is a right pain though. Not only does it want to go back into stereo mode randomly (multiple computers). Most audio is 2.0 audio. I never felt it played nicely and had to set it to 2.0. And then shift back for games and other content

[warm scarab]

saying most audio is 2.0 is an understatement

closer to 99.9%

aside from movies I don't think there is any other media that regularly uses any form of surround

[warm scarab]

its just regular audio with an fx filter in most cases

headphones dont support 5.1

[warm scarab]

you can apply "surround" to any headphone with software you can find on the internet, every surround headphone has two drivers in total, there is nothing surround about them aside from the software they have in them

[mighty forum]

you can pray game audio has a 5.1 setting but its basically a 50-50

[warm scarab]

the game 5.1 is unrelated to headphone 5.1 anyways

completely different two things that dont overlap

one is a glorified fx filter that adds group delay

other is a legitimate output to 6 audio channels

[mighty forum]

lmao fair and true lol.

I don't think he was talking about the fake 5.1 headphones though. Total waste for gaming. I've tried it and ive never had amazing results

[granite drum]

some of them do look like this , wich makes me wonder 🙂

[livid ruin]

anyways it's just marketing, important is how and when sound gets into your ears, not how many drivers or marketing nonesense there is for headphones

[warm scarab]

yeah and it sounds even worse than fake 5.1

[warm scarab]

there aren't any real 5.1 headphones

because no headphones come with a dedicated subwoofer

there are like maybe 10 headphones ever made with more than 2 drivers

because it just sounds bad

only surround headphones you could count are like the razer taimat which really stretches the meaning of surround

[zenith pawn]

Oh I thought they meant actual surround sound speaker system

[warm scarab]

didnt sound like the type of question that would come from someone ready to drop like 700$ on a decent surround setup

[livid ruin]

what about the non stealth "bilateral" he400se

[hollow oxide]

Bought these new bois

Reviews did not disappoint.
Satisfied with the audio quality and very satisfied by the noise cancelling

[lean grove]

you can safely stop wondering because they're gimmicky and ultimately a bad design choice

it just winds up overcomplicating things and doesnt really do what they claim it does while making the headphone sound worse.

[stuck bolt]

Guys, my subs finally arrived, but they got a little damaged in shipping

I'll have to redesign the cabinet to hide that defect

😕

[granite drum]

hehe, maybe they are the ones capable of making speech audible in modern cinema without havving a gunchot jump you out of your skin :d

[lean grove]

They're not.

They're gonna make the problem even worse.

[warm scarab]

its just the same thing but with phasing issues

its really not a solution to anything

[granite drum]

i actually recently saw a convincing reason being explained , that claimed it was actually mastered to be that way by the movie studio's and thus intentional

so i basicly tougth maybe if they crap up the actual 5.1 maybe they accidently fix that 😄

actually one more reason to not use netflix and buy the blue ray of a movie, they usually have a seperate track for the voice audio , so you can switch in different languages but that also means you can boost that track seperatly in kodi 🙂

[livid ruin]

the first pic looks like the driver’s surround is not straight due to the frame being bent

i doubt it has positive effect on the sound

i would contact the seller

either for a replacement or compensation

[livid ruin]

for the true 5.1 experience mount speakers on a frame and put that on your head!

[lean grove]

in theory, yes.
but in reality, the only people buying headphones like this are the ones who really dont know much about audio and are enticed by marketing and more = better.
there have only been a few serious attempts to do something like this in a legitimate capacity, and they've flopped because they've been too niche and too expensive.

you're better off using a virtual surround sound like dolby atmos which do almost the exact same thing but better and cheaper.

having multiple headphone drivers in the same enclosure doing different things is more trouble than its worth. the benefits of "ear shape interaction" are still not considering the shape of your head, torso, and room you're in.
its an idea that makes sense on paper but after a reality check has time and time again proven to actually be a terrible idea. mostly because it turns out to be exceedingly expensive with low benefits compared to cheaper alternatives (such as software).

[elder thistle]

this glorified fx filter you speak of creates very similar results at the eardrum as true 5.1 into 6 speakers

this is why accurate position in 3d space via 7.1 rendering down to stereo is both possible and very effective

stereo is 7.1 with the right information

[primal fulcrum]

[livid ruin]

why

[granite drum]

hehe i got a stereo amp 136W and speakers 2x (2x 8" +horn) for my pc speaker setup 🙂

so not that into surround 🙂

wel i wont say not intrested , i kind of am in the sense that your earsare basicly a stereo mic that can do 3d sound so technically we should be able to map the shape of your ear and recreate a prefect 3d representation using earbuds or stereo headphones 🙂

[glad creek]

That's called binaural audio recordings, I wouldn't call that perfect 3D representation, since you'd at least need the recording to be made with your specific ears in mind and I don't see any reason why the current tech would be "perfect", but it sure is great ... but rare @granite drum

[tawny sage]

Help me to pick from one of these pls.
I found the Philips X2HR Fidelio for 120$ and the Hifiman he400se Stealth for 83$
I use a focusrite solo 4h gen.

Need headphone only for casual music listening.

[upper dragon]

im forming a collection

[warm scarab]

i advise collecting it in a recycling bin

[upper dragon]

wdym?

[granite drum]

thats not called binaural .... what i mean is literally theoretically it should be possible to make a virtual replica of your ear and map how that shape transforms the audio signals in order to get a perfect 3d sound as your actual ear does,... (since you have only two, and yet you have 3d hearing)

[mighty forum]

Thanks to this. i ended up with Cx31993/ Max97220 chipset (jm6 pro was faster to ship lol). It works perfectly Even linsouls own iem dac had crackle/hiss.

Thanks for the advice

and i don't even want it at max volume. My head hurts from testing

[warm scarab]

👍

[haughty girder]

Why just why

Wait

Wrong reply

[haughty girder]

Why are you trying to form a collection of low quality audio devices?

[zenith pawn]

Yes and this is how binaural audio typically is done already

They either have a model head and ear replica or just go inside the ears of a person recordinf

[dawn panther]

Recapped my Klipsch KG-2s
Night and day difference

[upper dragon]

Lol, I wouldnt have bought these if they were "low quality" and after tunning them they beat just about every speaker for the price 😂

The mirtune s100 beats the charge 5 after tunning, that s87 destroys the jbl xtream 4

and then the s95 (the big one) easily matches with the harmon kardon go + play 3 with a lower bass response

I bought these speakers for their potential. im not spending 500$ for basic tunning (thats often mediocre at best) when I can tune it my self for free

[haughty girder]

the issue with your rationale

the amount of money you spent on portable speakers

you could've just gotten yk

[haughty girder]

also your tuning is probably just lots of bass

and you're not getting good bass out of portable speakers

definitely nothing usable below 50hz

[nova wagon]

I dunno about the other models, but my XB23 is real heavy on the bass out of the box, and not the good bass

Yea not that good, it's a louder speaker that's portable, thats about it for me

[upper dragon]

Dont have money for both

so I end up with this

[upper dragon]

?

incorrect

yes sub bass is boosted like 30hz (the mid to large ones I have do audible 27hz -35hz sub bass) but not to silly high levels..

do you actually understand what I mean by tunning

if it helps my preferred sound signature is nuetral highs past 100hz but with deep bass 20-40hz boosted but not too much

[upper dragon]

Yea I have spent about 400$ at this point, but it took almost more than half a year to get this much

[upper dragon]

Yea, you have no idea

even the the charge 5 sized mirtune s100 I have produces audible 35hz bass in a corner

actually let me find a recording for you

[upper dragon]

How could you be so confident with that statement bruv

listen well with headphones

~32hz+ is audible with my phone mics

set up is a little old

I now have the s100 hooked up as center channel via aux

[haughty girder]

audible != good

[haughty girder]

because you're trying to use drivers that physically cannot cleanly replicate such low frequencies at high amplitudes

[upper dragon]

we concluded earlier windows audio res thing was the issue

oh wait

you might be right, it only clips with lower bass

anyway to fix that tho

love to watch movies without that happening every 30 seconds when rumbling happens

[haughty girder]

you're running drivers no more than 2-3" in diameter

trying to get bass at a listenable loudness

where most people would look for 6-8" woofers

[upper dragon]

no the big speaker has dual 50watt 4.5inch full range drivers

[haughty girder]

• another 8-10" sub

[upper dragon]

small one is dual 3inch 30watts tho

[haughty girder]

you're also so limited by the amount of space inside the cabinet

you're running up against sound buffeting by the time you hit probably 70db

[upper dragon]

their bass performance is primarily in the 30-40hz range. The passive radiator tunning is like 30hz from my testing

[upper dragon]

no, thats the actual audio popping

https://youtu.be/LU2PLoGdPXg?si=4q5QrteAKQb-9HIy

what you're talking about would actually sound like this

[haughty girder]

passive radiator can't be tuned without adding or removing weight

added weight = lower bass

but at the cost of less amplitude

[upper dragon]

they were already tunned ay 30hz

[upper dragon]

you see them going unstable here because of that

[haughty girder]

at some point I wonder why people don't test bass with a tone generator

[upper dragon]

I did a video with that to

https://youtu.be/4EjH9ZUPIS4?si=p0VVbt-w5znvEvLW

[upper dragon]

whats amplitude

[upper dragon]

heres a vid of the smaller speaker doing decent ~35hz bass

https://youtu.be/4mEQE0wxLBI?si=LwpPv-JS97EfO0s5

[dapper spindle]

brothas

should I get the cloud 3 wireless?

I got a very mixed reviews over at reddit

I found one at a very decent price in the used market

[warm scarab]

volume level

[upper dragon]

ahh ok

[covert basin]

I need new wireless earbuds since I lost my oneplus buds pro 3 charging case any recommendations? I was thinking about getting the CMF Buds 2 Plus's since they have a big battery and good sound quality

[somber shuttle]

ZMF bokeh

[patent bay]

Hey, I wanna buy new headset and deciding between hyperx cloud 3 (74€ on sale) and logitech g pro x (99,90€). Does someone have any experience with one of those? Thanks for any advice.

[livid ruin]

+1 to oneodio monitor 80s for ease of disassembly, straight forward screws

i lubed them so they creek less

[glad creek]

You are also not getting good bass from that you know

[rustic holly]

Looking for some everyday bluetooth ear buds, willing to spend around $150

I would like noise cancelation if possible

[haughty girder]

You're getting by far a flatter, cleaner bass down to 40hz, even if you're lacking subbass

if your standard of good bass is just more bass, then sure you could say that

[warm scarab]

you are getting very good bass from it lol

[warm scarab]

this is complete cap btw

unless you are speaking for bluetooth speakers exclusively

the jbl 305p would absolutely smash that system

[warm scarab]

linear bass down to 50hz region

no eq

[livid ruin]

good bass extension

[elder thistle]

I don't hear any 30-40hz audio in this clip

don't believe the bass extension of any speaker in a video without hearing the fundamental

you can tune a passive radiator to 30hz and get nothing back but thd

I was into this with the doss soundbox xl

think I got it to around 55hz meaningfully

[elder thistle]

you need to hear the bass on jbl's like this

I thought the adam t5v's had solid, impactful bass until I heard it on the 306p mk2's

the t5v's already make car audio and big bt speaker bass seem pretty bad

[upper dragon]

@elder thistle this one?

[upper dragon]

This video is for fun, no actuall bass

[upper dragon]

This is my video and speaker btw..

[upper dragon]

They resonate at 30hz out of the box, no modification needed

[upper dragon]

Doss is trash

Ok the soundboard xl in particular is alright but you can get a mirtune s100 for the same price and it's bass response is primarily ~45hz

[upper dragon]

Flatter comes from tunning.
And I want bass down to 28hz, these monitors are weak for my standards

And they take too much space

I'll pick up a pair of phantom reactors later instead

Those easily do 17hz bass

And they are 1/2-1/3 the size of some desktop monitors

[upper dragon]

Mediocre

[upper dragon]

Just 50hz

[upper dragon]

It's not.. I just did it

[upper dragon]

@warm scarab

[zenith pawn]

Wtf phone do you have

[upper dragon]

S21plus

[zenith pawn]

On mine anything below like 90hz is dead

[upper dragon]

Huh and I thought my mics were mid

[zenith pawn]

Mine are very shouty

My phone speaker

[upper dragon]

Mine are tuned by AKG

They aren't as perfect as a binaural mic tho

[zenith pawn]

I misread mic as speaker

[upper dragon]

Imma need to aquire that soon

[upper dragon]

Lmao

[zenith pawn]

That makes everything so much more sense

I was takkign aboutnmy phone speakera

My phone mics do have subbass

[upper dragon]

Ahh ok

[upper dragon]

Imagine the amount of excursion a phone speaker would have to make to produc audible 30hz bass😭

Im sure this can be calculated

[zenith pawn]

what is excursion

[upper dragon]

The more surface area a speaker has, the less excursion needed

[upper dragon]

refers to the distance the speaker cone moves back and forth from its resting position as it produces sound.

God bless circle to search

[warm scarab]

mediocre said the guy using different bluetooth speakers to imitate a competent audio system

[warm scarab]

beating good quality studio speakers is a clip of your speakers producing some lows?

[upper dragon]

Used a L and R splitter to separate and creat separate eqs for both

[warm scarab]

wow the science has regressed

[warm scarab]

yes the bare minimum for using a L/R different system

[upper dragon]

They arnt different from this set up they would both sound neutral after my tunning but the speakers you mentioned have a worst bass response

[warm scarab]

They dont have a worse bass response

[upper dragon]

50hz

[warm scarab]

There us no chance in hell your speakers are linear to 50hz

[upper dragon]

They primarily do 35hz

[warm scarab]

Producing 50hz and producing 50hz down to a linear level are different tasks

[upper dragon]

And that only does 50hz💀

[upper dragon]

Actually what do you mean by linear level

[warm scarab]

A line

en even line

[upper dragon]

So flat bass response

[warm scarab]

yes

so you can actually use it for reference

and not abstract music

[upper dragon]

So you know how I mentioned tunning

Thats literally what I do to the bass response

[warm scarab]

post rew files?

well screenshot

im on phone

[upper dragon]

Ill have to show a screen shot of my spectral anylzer (I just reset my phone bc one ui 7 was a micro stuttery mess)

[warm scarab]

your spectral analyzer is on your phone?

what do you use for measuring

[upper dragon]

My phone

[warm scarab]

lmfao

yeah ok

[upper dragon]

I dont have the necessary equipment

Only use it to give me an idea

[warm scarab]

I advise not talking shit about 305p in that case because you are talking wack about anything but the bass depth atm

[upper dragon]

Mics are still tunned by akg so they're decent enough

[upper dragon]

Ill take a lower bass response over anything athts flat and only does down to 50hz...

[warm scarab]

There is no conceiveable way you got an uneven speaker system with phone mic eq to sound anything as good as a 305p system

[warm scarab]

Because you've never heard anything that does good mids, highs and treble

this statement is an evidence of what your standards not the quality of your speakers

I'd take 80hz bass cutoff if it meant the rest of the spectrum is that much better

[upper dragon]

But why

Songs with lower bass are so anticlimactic

[warm scarab]

Because there are elements to music that isn't bass

[upper dragon]

If the speaker cant play all notes

Its mediocre

[warm scarab]

Elements you cant hear with a bidirectional bluetooth speaker pairing

[upper dragon]

Its a matter of what music you listen to then

[warm scarab]

so your speakers going off of phone analysis?

really good chance they dont have anything over 17khz

[upper dragon]

I hear up to 21khz

[warm scarab]

your phone mic measures 21khz?

[upper dragon]

Yes above what I can hear even

S21 plus

Its a bit of a mess but its what it takes to make this sound good

[warm scarab]

I advise going into an actual demo room once in your life and settings standards as to what a good system sounds honestly

[upper dragon]

I tunned some soundcore q35s

Nuetral to my ears, thats my standard

[warm scarab]

If what you've heard in your life is bad quality speakers how can you comment on anything beyond that grade

[elder thistle]

rib

[warm scarab]

also

20dB eq

[elder thistle]

yes

[warm scarab]

graphical at that

so much for producing 28hz lmao

[elder thistle]

you can clog the port of a 5" speaker to make it extend further

at least when aided with eq

[upper dragon]

Bro

[warm scarab]

305p goes down to 20hz with 20dB eq if that is our standard

lmfao

[upper dragon]

Did you NOT see the perametric filters

[warm scarab]

nah

I hadnt watched that bit

[upper dragon]

Well why didnt you say so

[warm scarab]

Because you dont want to do 20db of eq

thats something detrimental to audio quality and a good pair of speakers is supposed to avoid doing that

and in the graph I sent you can see that the bass goes down by 15dB to 20hz

[elder thistle]

the 305p is not the first speaker I'd grab if we're looking for mega eq though. they don't have that powerful of an amp

[upper dragon]

The whole point is I can tune them instead..

[upper dragon]

Would be nice to have something out of the box but like

I dont have money for both

[warm scarab]

You cant beat physical limitations of your drivers with eq

you can assist them

[upper dragon]

Flat bass response but has a bunch of random peaks

[warm scarab]

the amplitude of this graph is times less than your eq graph on apo

consult the numbers on the left not the shape

[warm scarab]

its all contained within a 3dB parameter

[upper dragon]

Dude.... the only physical limitation is producing more lowe bass...

What ever are you talking about

[elder thistle]

eq just means the tiny driver is more stressed by pressure issues, excursion, inconsistent magnetic field

[upper dragon]

Thay isnt what tunning is

Omg

[warm scarab]

if you abuse your drivers with eq you are distorting other frequencies

[upper dragon]

You dont tune a speaker to exceed its limits

[elder thistle]

correct, and that's why your bt speakers aren't going to get you that quality even with eq

[warm scarab]

20dB is well exceeding the fucking limits

[upper dragon]

Thats the very opposite of what I mean by tunning...

[warm scarab]

20db eq is increasing the volume by like 8 times of what your driver is capable of by default

[upper dragon]

Clueless

[warm scarab]

thats your amplifier gain

[upper dragon]

Notice how peak gain isnt even above 0

[warm scarab]

your speaker driver gain is different than your amp chips gain

[upper dragon]

Incorrect

[elder thistle]

wait I have an image for this

[warm scarab]

what

[upper dragon]

Not exceeding the peak limit means no distortion

[warm scarab]

one is literally a mechanical constraint

[upper dragon]

You heard the video right

[warm scarab]

adding 20db worth of bass is well enough to distort any system

[warm scarab]

as much as possible with a phone mic

and my phone speakers

[upper dragon]

Exceeding the limits would sound like this

[upper dragon]

Use headphones

[warm scarab]

in some way yes

[upper dragon]

Omg

My mics pick up as low as 32hz

Have a good listen!

[warm scarab]

I am not in a situation to use my headphones

going to an actual studio right now

[upper dragon]

Welp until then rest the speculation lol

[warm scarab]

where we dont use bluetooth speakers

[upper dragon]

Oh nice

[warm scarab]

wacky

[upper dragon]

Its wired..

[warm scarab]

does it have bluetooth as a feature

dont answer that

i rest my case

[upper dragon]

Doesnt really matter, it pretty much always comes down to basic tunning

[warm scarab]

it really doesnt

the drivers and how they are set up compared to regular studio speakers is completely different

how what driver produces which frequency and its directionality

how it phases, the crossover

completely different

odds are it produces the same tone in various difficulties creating severe phasing issues in your end

[upper dragon]

Forgot you need more drivers for better sound stage

[upper dragon]

You havnt had a listen yet*

[warm scarab]

it has several drivers pointing at different directions to be audible to several people

Because thats what bluetooth speakers are for

[upper dragon]

No.....

[warm scarab]

hence creating phasing issues because the speakers backfires

[upper dragon]

Its just two 4.5 50watt drivers

And 2 10watt tweaters

[warm scarab]

meant your other speaker

[upper dragon]

And no cross over

[upper dragon]

Smaller one is dual 30watt drivers 3inch and two 10watt tweaters

No cross over

[warm scarab]

it has multiple drivers with no crossover?

do you know what a speaker crossover does

[upper dragon]

Yes

Both drivers playing the same frequency

[warm scarab]

the tweeters receive 20hz signals?

[upper dragon]

This can easily be tested by simply holding down the low mid range driver

Or disconnecting it

Which I have done to all

Even the cheapest of Bluetooth speakers dont have cross over

The jbl boombox 3 is a 2.1 set up

No cross over

[elder thistle]

that's unfortunate

[upper dragon]

And a lot of boombox style speakers have been using the sme 2.1 driver set up

[upper dragon]

Yea

[warm scarab]

so the crossover is different :^)

[upper dragon]

Testest with spectrum anylzer

[warm scarab]

the tweeters get 20hz into them

like I got this correct

[upper dragon]

Woops

Thought you said 20khz

[elder thistle]

did you skip the inline capacitor

[upper dragon]

No ofc not 20hz

[warm scarab]

so there is a crossover?

[upper dragon]

no

Only the tweeter does 20khz

[elder thistle]

actually uh

some of the crossovers are done in the amp stage

[warm scarab]

that is a crossover

[elder thistle]

yes

[upper dragon]

Why do I need to bother with any of that

[elder thistle]

are you familiar with the properties of capacitors

[upper dragon]

Yea

[elder thistle]

then you know why you need to bother with that when assessing crossovers

[upper dragon]

You dont

[upper dragon]

For testing to make sure the drivers arnt divided in frequency range?

No

[elder thistle]

||he was not familiar with the properties of capacitors||

[upper dragon]

You can just... not have the other drivers hooked up

[elder thistle]

a capacitor in series is a highpass component of a crossover

[warm scarab]

decoration drivers

[elder thistle]

and a capacitor in parallel is lowpass

[warm scarab]

bros speaker

[upper dragon]

You really havnt touched a decent bluetooth speaker have you

Sigh I GUESS ill take apart one of mine just to make a simple basic point😭

[warm scarab]

I literally receive education from a studio

[upper dragon]

and somehow clueless about bt speakers

[warm scarab]

I dont think a bt speaker would increase my standards as to what good speakers are

[upper dragon]

anyways I buy speakers to listen to music

[warm scarab]

same

[upper dragon]

Im not interested in studio level stuff

[warm scarab]

its just speakers

but without exaggerated bass

[upper dragon]

As long as it can sound neutral with deep bass and sound stage im good

[upper dragon]

I dont like overly boosted bass either, I just wanna be able to hear every bass frequency

[elder thistle]

I don't think you have any of these things

[upper dragon]

Not the point

[upper dragon]

I do

My set up does as low as 28hz

[elder thistle]

does

[upper dragon]

Primarily does 30-40hz bass

[upper dragon]

Yea did I miss something

Guess being educated on studio grade stuff isnt the same as being educated on audio engineering. shouldn't be hard to believe that mid size speakers can produce pretty low bass..

[warm scarab]

with 20db eq*

[upper dragon]

And what does this mean to you again

[warm scarab]

I am receiving audio engineering lessons yes

[upper dragon]

Bc its just an eq to make the speaker produce the desired audio

[warm scarab]

means you have harmonic distortion

lol

[upper dragon]

You havnt heard the video yet

[warm scarab]

yeah

[upper dragon]

Yall funny

[warm scarab]

thats how sure of the fact I am

[upper dragon]

😬

[warm scarab]

you are making your speaker driver moves several times the distance it was designed to move and telling me it works with no problems

[upper dragon]

LMFAO

Omg

Ok so

[warm scarab]

how do you think speakers drivers produce amplitude

[upper dragon]

Let me say it again

[elder thistle]

you were right

[upper dragon]

If that were happening it would sound and look like this..

[warm scarab]

many such cases

[warm scarab]

this isnt a binary case

[upper dragon]

Drivers dont sound good when being pushed to their physical limits

[warm scarab]

that is guy taking the piss

[upper dragon]

It is

Its the same speaker

Lmao

Unless you meant something else

[warm scarab]

your speakers dont need to be actively destroying themselves in order to be mechanically limiting

this isnt how it works

[elder thistle]

the first video with very quiet actual music is more convincing that some 35-40hz ish tones exists with non-70% thd

maybe more like 50% thd

[upper dragon]

Whats thd

[elder thistle]

something you have

congratulations you own a thd

[upper dragon]

Man "audiophiles" always think they know what every speaker sounds like with out actually hearing it

Its hilarious

[elder thistle]

I got my thd in theoretical physics

[upper dragon]

Lmao

[upper dragon]

This is 29hz

Driver pushed to its physical limits for content

[elder thistle]

it's composite noise from a speaker nearly shaking itself to death

not sure you can call that a tone anymore

[upper dragon]

Its 29hz noise

And not actual 29hz bass

[warm scarab]

yeah

Congratulations you've discovered ratttling and THD

[upper dragon]

If I turned it down the issue is solved

This is 100% vol

[elder thistle]

it's quiet already

[warm scarab]

it will be better yes

[upper dragon]

Ill just use a 29hz low pass filter, and adjust to levels that dont sound like noise

[elder thistle]

I would set it at 45hz

[upper dragon]

It doesnt bottom out at 45hz tho...

[elder thistle]

it's not working well enough for anything below that, not that it really seems to work well in the first place

[upper dragon]

Mainly the lower frequencies

[upper dragon]

Yea.. just needs tunning

Just some bass frequency sweep testing and applying filters and its fix

[elder thistle]

if you use eq to remove frequencies the driver can't reasonably produce, maybe

20db boost is not that

[upper dragon]

why do you guys keep talking about the 20db boost

The actual peak gain is below 0 lmao

Thats only there for dynamic adjustments

[elder thistle]

same thing

at least for tonality

another thing is these modern bt speakers are not giving unaltered signals to the drivers

there's crossovers applied to each pair of wires, and there's usually a big dynamic bass eq already being applied by the speaker

[upper dragon]

Friendly reminder that you dont actually have these speakers.

[upper dragon]

What would this sound like

Unaltered signals

[elder thistle]

no, but I'm somewhat familiar with bt speaker design

with 3" drivers you'd probably see the bass end around 80hz

maybe 70 if lucky

[upper dragon]

Its not that simple

[elder thistle]

provided proper enclosure

[upper dragon]

Wattage and the drivers range of motion

Also the amp or dsp dictates how low the driver is allowed to go

A driver not ment to play 30hz for example can still play 30hz, it will probably just break it self when doint so

[elder thistle]

there are theilie-small parameters for different 3" drivers as is the case with any driver

you've got a rather average enclosure size from the looks of that speaker

[upper dragon]

This here

Doing roughly ~32hz bass well with in its limits as you can see

Ok its close to its limit but not enough to be an issue

basically how its supposed to be

The higher end kind of distorts with lower bass tho, which is why if you wanna do sub bass you mostly need a dedicated woofer.

[warm scarab]

same way i don't need to shoot someone with a gun to know what happens

[upper dragon]

Not that simple.

Too many variables

[warm scarab]

you are right correct analogy is closer to shooting myself in the head

[upper dragon]

[warm scarab]

well spotted

[elder thistle]

so here is the limits.

this is at what, 10-20cm?

so the volume penalty for the bass here as per standard ways of classifying sound as well as listening to it, is very high

this penalty applies more to the sub than it does to the midbass, due to dispersion patterns

second, you have almost 200% 3rd harmonic distortion

you aren't producing this frequency

in reality this will be more towards 400% if not worse

[warm scarab]

man invents 10th harmonic distortion

[elder thistle]

man vs speaker

man vs world

[upper dragon]

Ok NOW im familiar with harmonic distortion, infact I already know what it sounds like. Video I showed was just a bad example

This one is bettwr

Only hear Harmonic distortion when it tries playing 28hz

32hz and above is clean

[upper dragon]

Yea this video was a bad exmaple

If you listen to this video tho, there's only h distortion when it tries to do 28hz, which is easy to fix its simply playing it too loud

[upper dragon]

Are you blind bro

You see it right there in the graph

It IS doing 30hz but with noise

The video is a bad example but I still fixed that with some filters

That speaker was actually maxed out for fun, really shouldnt have used that as an example... Woops!

[warm scarab]

that is his graph

not yours

[upper dragon]

Very funny

[warm scarab]

im not joking

[upper dragon]

did he not use a spectrum anylzer on my video?

[warm scarab]

did he?

I thought we was reproducing on his end to replicate thd

[upper dragon]

He should be able to feed the raw sound and measure that

[warm scarab]

he would be counting on your phone mic

[upper dragon]

Right..

[warm scarab]

he could be

@elder thistle

is the graph your end or his

[upper dragon]

Omg its 4am

Taking that long ass nap has really thrown me off

[upper dragon]

I re installed the app. As you can see my mics pick up above 21khz

[warm scarab]

is that a sine wave from your speaker

[upper dragon]

No

Just the ambient noise in my room

Its too late a night for me to test anything out loud

[warm scarab]

i honestly dont think its picking up 21khz

that just the software side

[upper dragon]

As in you wouldn't be able to hear it?

[warm scarab]

its at -100db unless the slider actually moves thats just the software configuration for recording range

[upper dragon]

Its showing whatever the mix picks up tho

[upper dragon]

Those values arnt correct

I dont think

[warm scarab]

i know

[upper dragon]

I mean the whole measurement is in the negatives which I dont think is right

[warm scarab]

but unless the 21khz actually reacts to 21khz being played

[upper dragon]

Ohh one sec

[warm scarab]

thats just how the mic drivers are set up

[upper dragon]

Playing 20154hz

[warm scarab]

impressive for a phone mic

[upper dragon]

Supposed to be tunned by akg

[warm scarab]

run a sine wave up to 21khz next

[upper dragon]

Ye imma do 23khz and see what happens

[upper dragon]

Here

A lot of this tone gens dont go too high

[upper dragon]

was played on this speaker

Has 20w race track driver and a 10w tweater

Its 31hz off

That difference is much smaller at lower frequencies thankfully

[upper dragon]

Oh like a sweap?

Too late at night, ill have to do that later

[elder thistle]

my little speakers can hit 35hz too!

[elder thistle]

all I did was sample audio from the video and put it in the FFT so

[warm scarab]

ah

[elder thistle]

look at this

he should slap his speaker to the beat in order to lower thd

[warm scarab]

bro the wires taped to the wall lmao

[elder thistle]

premium cable management

that is the intergalactic usb extension cable that goes across the ceiling and to my workbench

[nova wagon]

some mild conversation huh?
it's been a long time since the last mildly motivated conversation I stumbled into here.

[elder thistle]

and power cable

[nova wagon]

lens fungus anybody?

[elder thistle]

blowtorch required

I really need to irradiate my lenses

[nova wagon]

I probably gonna take them out for some cleaning service tbh

[lean fjord]

Hey, does anyone have experience with JBL earphones? Im looking at Vibe Buds 2 and Tune Beam 2 and wondering if any of them has an edge over the other in any form

[upper dragon]

Ok I played 35hz through my football shapped speaker there does seem to be harmonic distortion but it doesnt sound bad?

[livid hollow]

a question about eq , can't you eq any headset to make it sound like how you want? , what other factors are there outside of the frequency response that affects how headphones sounds?

when reviewers review headphones do they take into account the most neutral eq possible?

[buoyant vale]

You would have trouble EQing the frequencies that the drivers struggle with

You can't really just EQ low end into these for example

[upper dragon]

Almost never

Only people ive seen do that is oluv but his channel got taken down lmao

[upper dragon]

Yes, usually you just need to find something that already sounds decent and it should easily be capable of sounding neutral with a parametric eq

[upper dragon]

Yea you wanna get a pair with good tunning potential

Otherwise you into physical limitations

The soundcore q35s have Ldac and have excellent tunning potential

I tunned mine by ear, they sound pretty neutral

But im probably gonna need actual equipment in order to make them truly nuetral

[livid hollow]

but how do i figure out that it has tunning potential

i was just about to buy a jbl 720bt

the eq curve and reviews seem to show that it has less bass compared to other headphones

i was thinking i can just make up for it with eq

not sure if that would work

now

[upper dragon]

Mostly determined by bass and how good it sounds out of the box

[upper dragon]

It might work, you have to test it out

[livid hollow]

the weird thing is i barely find any information or reviews on the headset

what ever reviews i find are very mixed

my only hope its on the same level as my last headphones which were the hypr x cloud 2

or better

[warm scarab]

frequency response

[upper dragon]

I cant find any frequency charts of the 720bt

[livid hollow]

https://filk.squig.link/?share=Filk_v2_Target,_JBL_Tune_720bt

this is the only place i found a response chart on

a reddit user said he personally measured it

other reviews said the headphones lack bass , so it lines up with that

[upper dragon]

Doesnt look hard to fix

[livid hollow]

no this is it

[upper dragon]

Ooo shit

[livid hollow]

☠️

[upper dragon]

Yea would take a hot minute to make that nuetral

[upper dragon]

Ohh the dotted line is the target

[livid hollow]

can i fix the bass

or should i look for a better headset

[upper dragon]

I would look for a better headset

Also find one that can use LDAC codec

AAC can have compression artifacts in the treble

[upper dragon]

Whats you're budget

[livid hollow]

prices in my region differ alot

i can send some headsets that are around that price range

[upper dragon]

Try th3 soundcore q35s

[livid hollow]

way over budget

70% more expensive than the jbls

[upper dragon]

This is what my eq looks like for the q35s

[upper dragon]

Yikes

[upper dragon]

What currency is it

[livid hollow]

sar

saudi riyals

my budget is 200 sar

the jbls were 170

[upper dragon]

53 bucks

[upper dragon]

1MORE sonoflow pro

[livid hollow]

also over budget , price varies alot between region like i said ☠️

[upper dragon]

Damm it

[livid hollow]

some headphoens are stupidly expensive here

and alot of the headsets in that range are wireless only which is a no go for me

after further reviews of my options

ill just amp up the bass with eq

[upper dragon]

Hopefully its not physically limited

[livid hollow]

hopefully

[pulsar obsidian]

is buying dt 770pro a good idea? i got the 250 ohm and i already have a nice amp

idc abt music, i just play

[tawdry gale]

if u have hearing loss, ye

otherwise it will give you tinnitus

[patent bay]

no one?

[livid ruin]

bad products in their price category

i would pay mayeb 30 euros at most for those

[granite drum]

just use ALAC instead , should work almost on anything that can play AAC aswell and it uses the mp4 or m4a container to :), and its about 50% of the size of the PCM 🙂

can be encoded with refalac or qaac/qaac64 encoders normally

[upper dragon]

I have NEVER seen a ALAC supported headphone or iem in my LIFE

[granite drum]

ow it must be bluetooth headphones ... yeah thats like complaining you cant find a good CRT-Tv that can do 4K over yagi antenna ... 😄

[granite drum]

for anything decent in terms of bandwith bluetoot basicly needs line of sight , at that point your prolly bettero of just using wifi ones , wich can do lossless anyway ...
like thes but these can also only do 10meters...

[haughty girder]

flatter comes from tuning - cabinet design and driver is part of tuning

just because you got a passive radiator with mass that resonates at a certain low frequency doesn't mean you got good bass down to 28hz

in fact if I had to guess, you probably got bass extension down to 50hz then an empty crater until that 28hz you claim to have

I'm only guessing because I've never used those specific speakers before

but my guess comes from the fact I've researched this topic and clearly you haven't, if you think DSP is able to account for all speaker deficiencies

[haughty girder]

the fuck are you talking about, LDAC is a bluetooth codec. One of the highest quality ones at at that. Not a digital audio format

watching you two try to have a discussion when you can't even figure out what you're discussing about is freaking hilarious, though

[lean grove]

nexgen is in a mood today

[haughty girder]

No I've been at this bluetooth speaker shill for a couple days now

it's like gen alpha brainrot is settling into every channel now

[lean grove]

skibidy

[haughty girder]

lmao

It's so bad too when I realized I couldn't understand anything kids were saying

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-grand-pa-millenial-old-gif-10484595

[upper dragon]

I didnt say the 28hz was good. It was just audible

[upper dragon]

Now that makes sense

[upper dragon]

Good greif im not claiming anything. Just stating the facts of what I heard from my system and after testing

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-bob-funny-shocked-shook-gif-4861342645729883333

[lean grove]

without any measurements its hard to say for certain. but with enough DSP, most speakers are capable of producing 28hz or lower.

[upper dragon]

Its pretty quiet but its better than nothing, and if I raise it, it just creates harmonic distortion

[lean grove]

its not a high standard for a speaker to be able to play sub-bass

the hard part is doing it loudly and without distorting.

[upper dragon]

dsp isnt limited on these speakers like the others

[lean grove]

🤨

[upper dragon]

Most of them cut bass past 50 or 40hz

[lean grove]

i think you're confusing DSP for something else?

[upper dragon]

Am I? I thought thats what controlls the frequency response especially to stop distortion

[lean grove]

DSP is literally just a fancier version of EQ

[upper dragon]

Digital distortion anyway

[lean grove]

digital signal processing

[upper dragon]

I was right then

[lean grove]

you can use it to stop distortion, usually through a limiter.

but thats at high volumes

[warm scarab]

how

[lean grove]

at low volumes the limiter should be irrelevent and you can use it to get a tiny shitty speaker to measure ruler flat down to sub-bass

and thats what im talking about

[warm scarab]

how are your speakers unlimited when it comes to dsp

and others are

[upper dragon]

Dsp is just an eq... you adjust and fine tune it to remove distortion

[warm scarab]

i know what dps is

[upper dragon]

I mean they mostly left the lower end untouched

[warm scarab]

im asking what makes your speakers unlimited about dsp

[upper dragon]

They dont limit the lower end

[warm scarab]

im also asking what the fuck unlimited dsp means

[upper dragon]

I guess I just worded it incorrectly

[lean grove]

what speaker is this again

[warm scarab]

which speakers do this

[warm scarab]

https://youtu.be/LU2PLoGdPXg?si=4q5QrteAKQb-9HIy

[upper dragon]

See how they allowed it to just striaght up max the shit out of the drivers, they usually have it drop off so this doesnt happen

Its good headroom for tunning tho so I like it

[lean grove]

im gonna be real. i think you're making assumptions without any real evidence

[upper dragon]

Ive tested it multiple times and spent hours doinf frequency sweeps and trying to tune by ear

[lean grove]

every single modern bluetooth speaker has these limiters and DSP in place because if you dont its gonna sound like ass or kill itself when you play it loudly

[lean grove]

tune by ear is the problem.

[upper dragon]

I just reset my phone so ill have to go dig for my hard drive to find the old measurements I have from my phone

[warm scarab]

no

there is approximately

zero speakers that do this

[upper dragon]

This one specifically

[lean grove]

zero shot

[warm scarab]

you have wired your speaker to your computer, put in a bass emphasis filter

gave it whatever number

and the speaker attempted to produce it

there is no factor in this that your speaker plays a part in, you could do this with anything

[upper dragon]

In this video it was maxed out for fun

[warm scarab]

what i am saying is completely unrelated to the video

[upper dragon]

Oh

[upper dragon]

No

[warm scarab]

what makes you think you couldnt take any other item that produces sound and do what you did to these speakers to them instead

[upper dragon]

Tunned it to were it produces the lower bass without distortion and sound good to my ears

[warm scarab]

that is what bass emphasis means yes

[upper dragon]

Most them limit how low they can go with DSP.. I cant just edit dsp so If I just cranked a 30hz it would just be straight up distortion and the driver wouldnt actually move at 30hz

[warm scarab]

name one speaker that limits dsp

[upper dragon]

All of the name brands

[warm scarab]

name one name of them

[upper dragon]

JBL flip 5

[warm scarab]

no it doesnt

thank you

[upper dragon]

Xtream 4

[warm scarab]

no that doesnt do it either

none of these speakers have any control over what your computer tells them to do

they dont have drivers they have bluetooth receivers

[upper dragon]

Im talking about dsp where they limited the lower bass

[warm scarab]

and you know this because you looked at engineering schematics of the speakers?

[upper dragon]

Yea thats what im talking a out, the amp dsp or whatever can be a limiting factor.

[upper dragon]

From my own findings

[warm scarab]

I don't understand what amp dsp means

amplifier is an analogue processing chip

and dsp is digital sound processing

these things arent related

[upper dragon]

They limit how low the driver goes with dsp

[warm scarab]

no they dont

these items have no such ability

[upper dragon]

Ok so why does bass dropp off at 53hz?

Is that not dsp?

[warm scarab]

because they literally cannot move at a frequency lower than that

[upper dragon]

(Xtream 4)

[warm scarab]

the driver physically cannot do movements that wide

[upper dragon]

No because of the dsp

[haughty girder]

because it has tiny drivers that can't actually extend to 53hz at a reasonable volume, they roll off at 100hz and require resonances (including that passive radiator) to reach anything resembling low bass

[upper dragon]

You can literally turn on debbug mode on a xtream 4 and the drivers will start maxing them selvs out at 30hz...

Bc u turn off dsp when doing so

[warm scarab]

why would they use dsp to limit bass instead of increasing it like people demand it

and was this test wired

[upper dragon]

Bc the drivers cant actually produce the lower end without distortion from the drivers themselves

[warm scarab]

odds are you are just messing with the codec bandwidth

[lean grove]

its usually the other way around.
the drivers, without DSP, will roll off at like 100hz. the DSP makes it so that they can extend down to 53 hz.
its like giving a twelve year old steroids.

the drivers inside these speakers are usually quite small.

[upper dragon]

Also forgot about power

[warm scarab]

did you do this test wired

[upper dragon]

Yes

[haughty girder]

JBL Xtreme 4 has a Low Frequency Mode "LFM" built into its DAC portion (USB and Bluetooth) that protects the drivers from super bassy music

[lean grove]

if i had to guess i'd say these are maybe 4-5" drivers. unit is 9.5" tall.

[lean grove]

my UE boom has something similar but its "outdoor mode" which lets is play a few DB louder

[warm scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DSpOfA079_s

by debug mode

do you mean this

[haughty girder]

it's exactly that

[warm scarab]

"debug"

[upper dragon]

You guys gave this a listen right. Only harmonic distortion at 28hz since I didnt actually tune for this volume yet but 32hz+ sounds pretty clean

[upper dragon]

Yes

[haughty girder]

it's apparently so techs can diagnose driver issues

[warm scarab]

this is just a feature on the speaker

[upper dragon]

The jbl kids call it LFM mode

[upper dragon]

And was disabled with a firmware update bc people keep breaking their speaker with dsp off

[warm scarab]

so

the reason this exists isnt because it has distortion like you claimed

but that it instead destroys the speaker

ok

I rest my case lmao

[upper dragon]

The lfm mode?

Or dsp

[haughty girder]

what I hear here is a HUGE peak at somewhere around 40hz and another at 55

but the rest is mssing

[warm scarab]

both of these

[upper dragon]

Mics only pick up down to 32hz

[haughty girder]

what mic

[upper dragon]

S21 plus

[warm scarab]

phone mic

[upper dragon]

The dsp is tune the speaker.. removes the distortion

[warm scarab]

does it remove distortion or prevent it from getting cooked?

this is conflicting info

[upper dragon]

My entire point was the speakers I bought doesnt have a very limiting DSP for the lower end so it allows me to tune it myself

[lean grove]

Only harmonic distortion at 28hz
there will always be harmonic distortion.

[upper dragon]

I know its just very audible at 28hz

Should've clarified

[warm scarab]

I'll acknowledge that companies limit dsp to prevent their items from being destroyed because of your case but this is in no way a market statement

majority of speakers are just items that have an amplifier and an input

[upper dragon]

Just hearing noise from the drivers rubber suspension bc it doesnt have range of motion to actually do 28hz at this volume

[lean grove]

like its just hard to argue with you because you're just using these terms incorrectly.

[warm scarab]

these dont have any form of dsp or technology inside them to read and alter how an audio signal is

[upper dragon]

Yea sorry😅

[warm scarab]

so this odd circumstance only fits into bluetooth speakers so far

and to a very specific few

and according to what you have said

without these measures the speakers destroy themselves

so they dont have it due to less THD its there so the speakers dont break

[upper dragon]

Mhm

[upper dragon]

I think JBL and all the more premium brands do it for that reason but everyone else is cheap and doesnt care as much

[warm scarab]

if they are cheap why are they putting extra technology into an item

[lean grove]

a DSP board dac/amp is cheaper than a passive crossover, klaus.

[upper dragon]

They just use the dsp to remove digital distortion

They didnt really tune it

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

DSP IS the tuning

[upper dragon]

Welp I wanted a bt speaker so

[warm scarab]

in this context dsp is the tuning

this is a bluetooth speaker

[upper dragon]

Exactly and they did nothing but reduce the volume of the frequencies below ~25hz so it doesnt distort digitally like the actual audio being fed to the drivers

[warm scarab]

also digital distortion isnt something that typically happens at all

unless something is straight up malfunctioning

and if it does odds are dsp wont save it

[haughty girder]

fym did nothing the reason everyone says it sounds worse even if bass is increased is because JBL did add upper frequency filters into the DSP to account for the relatively tiny cabinet and drivers

[warm scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/883294653095501824/1104009936754720768/28F9DA58-9B27-48B0-A8D7-02364785DA2C.gif

[lean grove]

digital distortion is being used incorrectly here too

[upper dragon]

Idk what else to use here

Should have said "for lack of a better term"

[warm scarab]

no

because there is a better term probably

[haughty girder]

digital distortion... clipping?

I'm so confused

[warm scarab]

time to boost my speakers by 500dB

[lean grove]

i dont think the amp is gonna be the limiting factor here

[upper dragon]

No like this
https://youtu.be/vs4HmE1MUHI?si=CtaSNSJRvttucpxd

[warm scarab]

oh i forgot the unclipping filter silly me

[warm scarab]

this isnt digital clipping

[upper dragon]

After I raise the the vol there is actual just striaght up distortion (dont know a better term)

[lean grove]

probably the drivers

[warm scarab]

i mean

[haughty girder]

this is your frequency response right there

[warm scarab]

ig it could be clipping but i wouldnt count on it

[haughty girder]

idk what's going on but it really doesn't sound good

[warm scarab]

those drivers are like

fucking dying though

[upper dragon]

No

[warm scarab]

yes

you can literally see them distorting

[upper dragon]

Look at it lmao its not even flexing that much

[warm scarab]

bro

💀

[upper dragon]

Its the actual audio thats fed to the drivers

[lean grove]

its really hard to say what it is because

1. you dont have any measurement equipment to show us what is happening
2. you seem to not know whats going on and are using terms incorrectly

[warm scarab]

the driver dustcap is like

[haughty girder]

i dunc are anymore

[warm scarab]

literally going sideways from distortion

lmfao

[upper dragon]

Thats.. literally just the shutter speed effect

[warm scarab]

no man

it isnt

[haughty girder]

I got myself an Anker motion 300 for when I go kayaking and I'm a happy man

[warm scarab]

this isnt how the shutter effect works either

start position end position

[lean grove]

i'd put that on shutter effect

but if klaus is concerned it might be a slutter effect

[upper dragon]

Thats the shutter speed or probly from lack of frame rate

[warm scarab]

shutter effect distortion

[upper dragon]

The PR isnt actually moving sideways like that

https://youtu.be/4mEQE0wxLBI?si=sJ4Y1_XgdyHepi6s

[warm scarab]

i made them overlap so you can see how much this thing is moving

[upper dragon]

Yea

[warm scarab]

yes that is not good

[upper dragon]

The PRs themselves arnt making any abnormal sound thats audible tho

Thats actual amplifier in its entirety sounds like shit

[warm scarab]

if your speaker driver physically has to move like 4cm to produce an appropriate amplitute and sound shit while doing so

[upper dragon]

The woofer isnt really being pushed its actual physical limits, the audio being fed to it is whats actually distorting and idk a better term for that

[warm scarab]

its probably not the amplifier

[warm scarab]

then you could just use it wired and it should bypass the limits of the dac

[upper dragon]

No

That didnt work

[warm scarab]

ok so it isnt digital clipping

here we go

thats either the amplifier clipping or the driver's phyiscal limits

[upper dragon]

Digital clipping, but I said Digital distortion? Is that really the same thing?

[warm scarab]

you interchange these terms based on a whim I don't remember which we were talking about

[upper dragon]

As you can see even in semi slow motion thanks to the shutter speed effect, it is not physical limitations

[warm scarab]

but regardless if it happens when wired its not digital

[upper dragon]

True that

[warm scarab]

if you can see the driver going at a 50 degree angle sideways due to shutter effect

this is proof enough the driver is doing poorly

[upper dragon]

No that angle comes from the SPE

Look at my s95 video

You will see the suspension actually flexing too much

And slightly wrinkle being pushed it its physical limits

[warm scarab]

I presumed you used the same rig with same settings for all of these videos

[upper dragon]

No

[warm scarab]

alright then that is valid

[upper dragon]

I Tested this

Lower bass doesnt sound bad at all

The harmonic distortion peak is much lower than the intended frequency

[upper dragon]

I Just did this earlier today

[warm scarab]

for context

[upper dragon]

Talking about these speakers not being able to actually go below 50hz at all

[warm scarab]

decent speakers have like a 10% THD ratio at maximum volume

[haughty girder]

your drivers don't, your passive radiator does

[warm scarab]

and around 0.3% THD when not doing that

[upper dragon]

Can I see what that looks like

[warm scarab]

its just specsheet info

i dont have a video for it

[upper dragon]

Well the drivers have to move for the passive radiators

[upper dragon]

I mean like a screenshot of playing one sub bass frequency on a grapj

[warm scarab]

yeah I don't have a video of it

[haughty girder]

you don't have a clue how they work do you...

[warm scarab]

or a screenshot of it

[upper dragon]

[warm scarab]

THD is measured at 1khz typically

but thats relevant on systems that dont usually have 20dB eq on bass

[upper dragon]

This was on my phone btw

Usinf this EQ

[haughty girder]

that's almost like saying your car can go 250km/h because you were going on a super steep incline with lots of wind behind you, but your engine itself could only have pushed it to 180 on flat ground

[haughty girder]

very big difference, very big performance gap

sure your car may be going 250 but that doesn't mean your car can go 250

[upper dragon]

Before you think this is jist random mumbo jumbo

[haughty girder]

no that looks like an EQ alright

[upper dragon]

I actually listen for peaks and adjust the slider to find them then turn it down

[haughty girder]

my condolences to whoever made it

ah you did