audio-tech

[zenith pawn]

that microphone conversation earlier hurt my brain to read

[supple robin]

dont\

return it.

get zero:2 or chu ii. you massively overpaid for crap

[zenith pawn]

^

[lean grove]

i really appreciate how the adiophile community can come together to ruin some kid's day

[zenith pawn]

its what we do best

[elder thistle]

there are a lot of things I like about the original zs10 pro over the 7hz zero 2 and chu 2

I have no idea what the new version here sounds like

at any rate, "this product is bad" or "this product is good" are invalid statements

not only are they opinions, and not only do they require context, but there are so many facets to a product like this (especially within sound) that no sweeping statements can ever be made to any degree of accuracy

it gets worse

people don't always experience comparable sound on the same set of iems or headphones

[supple robin]

not really. they can be bad for other reasons than sound

i.e. subpar build

sound is subjective

but build quality and cable quality isn't typically subjective.

[supple robin]

thinking about it, i really probably did do that. sorry @dapper halo for ruining your day

[lean grove]

Nah ruin his life next

[warm scarab]

we are going to find you ibrxhiim

[supple robin]

alright sounds like a plan!

[chrome imp]

this is pretty sweet

got any speakers behind you or just the front two towers? And those subs

[white gate]

Not in this setup no. It's for 2ch music not home theatre (hence no display)

I have a couple other pairs in the other room but they're not being used atm

[chrome imp]

Those towers are beautiful

[white gate]

I love them 😄

[chrome imp]

Wow that music wall is awesome

[white gate]

Thanks!

I originally made it just for decorative reasons but it makes a really nice A-Roll backdrop

[chrome imp]

Yeah looks really sweet, nice schiit you got laying there

[white gate]

Schiity DAC 😄

[chrome imp]

I've got one of those Schiit DAC/AMP combos, will def need to upgrade that

Sometimes get a crackle which is just fun

[haughty girder]

I just saw this - that's... quite wrong

[tawdry gale]

thats terrible

[pure cave]

i somehow warped this part of my 1990s

this is gonna be a fun repair

[warm scarab]

i mean

just bend it back

[pure cave]

man

i tried

so hard

i think id break my headphones

[warm scarab]

remove the metal from headband

put it into a vice

then bend it

[pure cave]

i dont have a vice and the part was only 14$

[warm scarab]

no vice

why live

[pure cave]

dorm room

-_-

i cannot fit a toolshed in here

[warm scarab]

skill issue

[pure cave]

real

[warm scarab]

use pliers

[pure cave]

i alr ordered the thang

im in too deep

also preserves the cosmetics of it

[terse river]

Damn, good thing I read online, didn’t realize I had to remove these things

[buoyant vale]

You are bi-amping them with a receiver?

[warm scarab]

why do you want to bi amp

[covert basin]

anyone know any earbuds that have the same or similiar tracking capabilities as Apple's Airpods since I lost my oneplus buds pro 3 charging case so if I get new earbuds would be nice if they could be tracked

or is Apple the only company with this tech

[terse river]

Cause I’m able to

And apparently it sounds better

And I don’t have to buy any extra hardware to do it

I’m only doing it now because I have started cable managing my whole setup, so might as well add in all the cables I may need

[warm scarab]

no?

[terse river]

I mean idk what I’m doing but that makes it seem like it’s supposed to be better

[warm scarab]

can isnt will

[terse river]

Well, it won’t make them sound worse, right?

[warm scarab]

good luck with volume matching lol

[terse river]

If it won’t, I don’t see why I wouldn’t spend an extra few mins to set it up, even if for a chance of it sounding better

What do that mean

[warm scarab]

since the amps will be driving different drivers

they will be different volumes

[terse river]

Doesn’t the setup mic do that for me?

[warm scarab]

if you arent ever planning on adjusting the volume pots

yeah its fine

[lean grove]

It can be better but its largely unnecessary if you're not really into tweaking your system constantly.

The strain a tweeter puts on a system is nothing compared to what a woofer requires.

It will change depending on the speaker and the music, but tweeters are usually very very efficient and don't need very much power.

So having a dedicated amplifier for one only makes sense if you want to do a DSP crossover

Or if you want to pair a really low power amplifier for the tweeter.

[left verge]

For the last 6-12 months I've been using an equalizer for my phone, and its been great. But I feel like it could be better. However, I have no clue on where to start making one for mine.

[lean grove]

Do you want to make an equalizer app or an EQ profile?

[left verge]

Profile
Idt i could even make an app lol

[lean grove]

It would be hard. But for profiles if you go to https://squig.link/ you might be able to find your headphones and use the autoEQ feature. There are lots of tutorials on how to do this.

[left verge]

It's not headphones, but i'll see what i can do with this

[lean grove]

They have earbuds as well

[left verge]

I mean phone speakers lol

[lean grove]

Oh yeah it's not gonna have it

Rtings might have that data

[left verge]

They did have samsung, buuut no speakers lol

[left verge]

I'll check them out, thx

[dapper halo]

uh

[dapper halo]

its comfortable for my ears + the cable is a perfect length. not too flimsy or weak

[dapper halo]

okay lets say i did return it. what iem would be the best for under £50 and had good bass?

[zealous vine]

looking for the same thing

[elder thistle]

that still depends on your preferences, type of music or other stuff played on them, and what aspects of sound you appreciate or are trying to hear the most

not that you will get a fair answer to that question

[warm scarab]

zero reds

[gusty gust]

maybe not the right channel, but do any of you have recs for a sound card? I have been having audio issues on my PC related to Steam that prevents me from using any wired speakers or headphones (only bluetooth). Ideally a card that is good for both gaming and discord/voice use

[buoyant vale]

Motu m2 is pretty solid

[gusty gust]

Thank you, I'll take a look at it

[zenith pawn]

I think if they say "good bass" they mean prominent so those probably wouldn't be as satisfying

[elder thistle]

zero red is a shining example of what the iem community has done to themselves

it is in no way a balanced performer nor is it noteworthy in anything except maybe soundstage width

amazing that they can ask $55 for it

[zenith pawn]

it works for me

I love soundstage

It's definitely a good comfortable listening one because everything sounds good on it, even badly mixed stuff

[elder thistle]

probably because it can't show details

especially in the mids oh god

man I should really do an experiment where I ship "class-leading" IEMs alongside hated ones to uninformed people and see what happens

there's already pretty good evidence of what would happen

I've seen someone send back a zero red in exchange for the old kz zs10 pro's and prefer the sound

[zenith pawn]

Then I need to buy another iem to compare 🔥

[elder thistle]

in a music production discord somewhere

yes comparisons are key

[zenith pawn]

right now all else I have is 7hz zero:2 and airpods pro 2

[elder thistle]

I'm not trying to slam the zero red, just how it's treated by reviewers and followers

[zenith pawn]

i guess i havent seen reviewers too much, it was just recommended to me blindly by a friend and ended up working out

[dapper halo]

my kz zs10 pro 2s have solid bass and fine treble (i dont listen to music with a lot of treble in it so its fine)

so i think ill stick to these

[ocean pulsar]

Every kz I've owned has been super screwey, I'm enjoying the prx after applying some serious eq tho

[warm scarab]

rare carmon cameo

[upper dragon]

lol my audio setup is just bt speakers bc I cant afford both these and actual desktop speakers

two big ones are on a stereo aux splitter and the center speaker adds sound stage

also idk why it keeps clipping every now and then, my pc aux amp or drivers are striaght ass im literally -0.8db from peaking so I dont get it

[warm scarab]

that isnt clipping

that is something else

probably connectivity issues

[upper dragon]

definitely isnt that, this is all wired

[warm scarab]

is the 3.5 fit snugly

[upper dragon]

yep

secured the fit on all of em

[warm scarab]

and you sure the cable doesnt have any internal broken parts

[upper dragon]

does the clipping when I ever I play anything heavy below 70hz

[upper dragon]

Yep

its not the connection; its solid its with in the actual os

[upper dragon]

oh and when it happens in games like osu it freezes for like a nano second and throughs me off a little

[stuck bolt]

[warm scarab]

🤔

[upper dragon]

well more like a singular stutter but yea very strange

[warm scarab]

is your computer poor in performance

possibly

[upper dragon]

far from

[warm scarab]

very odd

[upper dragon]

overclocked Xeon e5 1680v3

and rx 5700xt

[warm scarab]

if you set the gain to lower than it is in apo does this happen

i dont think the osu stutters and these pops are related

unless your audio drivers are weird

[upper dragon]

the pop happens at the same time

[warm scarab]

or unless you have a broken component

what you said typically happens when an audio device like, very briefly disconnects

so the game lags for a second to reconnect it

[upper dragon]

very strange

[haughty girder]

single thread on that is not great

but I think ur motherboard is funnky

[haughty girder]

what are you using as a dac?

[upper dragon]

I found out what it is

its the audio format

it pops a lot at 24bit 192000hz

[upper dragon]

oh im just using the built in dac on my pc

its a fully upgraded dell precision t5810

its like a dell optiplex flip buy way more powerful

[upper dragon]

it shouldn't be bad enough to cause poping tho, its running at 4.3ghz and is roughly equivalent to the r7 2700x or a r5 3600

[warm scarab]

why would you run it at 192000hz

on bluetooth speakers of all things

[upper dragon]

its an aux connection

its wired

not bt

makes slight difference in dynamic range.. nothing the adverage person would notice but I like it

[warm scarab]

except it doesnt

reason why 41khz is used in cds is because you dont perceive changes upwards of it

and in case you do 48khz is used for combability's sake with sufficient headroom

192khz is for studios like it literally says on windows

it exists so when you stretch an audio clip you still have sufficient samples

[haughty girder]

in multicore it is, still dominated in single thread

[upper dragon]

mm

[upper dragon]

interesting, it still sounds different

must be a bug

[warm scarab]

possible explanation is the upsampling causing damage to the audio

[haughty girder]

sample rate mismatch

[warm scarab]

because almost everything uses 48khz

[haughty girder]

because windows for some reason STILL doesn't use dynamic sample rates

[upper dragon]

ill do 48khz

[haughty girder]

it's the same reason some dacs (like the JA11) had popping issues

[warm scarab]

i hate windows

[upper dragon]

same but I have to use it

[warm scarab]

im not a dreamer so i am not going to lie to myself by saying linux is anywhere good enough to replace it

[upper dragon]

yea no good enough replacement for me

[zenith pawn]

I mean the thing is if you just set the system to 48 kHz constantly then its lossless to resample 44.1 kHz audio to it

so maybe not worth Microsoft spending their time is why

[granite drum]

the only real reason to run 192khz is latency if you have a midicontroller or so attached (192khz with a buffer of 16 samples is instant where 44100khz at 16samples buffer is not 🙂 , and sample frequency does not impact dynamic range of the audio , and the difference between 16/24/32 you wont hear , since the noisefloor at 16bit is so low and 16bit debt for a sample means 65536 possible values

noisefloor with 16bit is : -96dB

combine that amount of levels with nyquist-shannon and everyone who can hear a difference is superdog (because humans wontget there lol) , the inertia of the magnet in your speakers has more impact so 🙂

[granite drum]

actually unfortunate becasue audio on linux is currently in a much better state then it is on windows,... but maybe tooling could be better 🙂 if one likes a gui to configure audio and not a config file(for pipewire, there is jack2 , but that also exists on windows) , also for running a program like ableton on linux (while its mostly written in python and Qt, wich would run perfectly on linux, and they do... but with wine, and wineasio exists wich hooks directly into pipewire, must be said that while stable running it in a wine env for things like vsts eg makes thins more complicated than it needs to be ... :), decibel linux is acutally aimed at DAW's btw D:

[elder thistle]

are you running this at 44.4k / 48k, or is it something really high like 192k or 384k

[upper dragon]

it was 24bit 192khz

[elder thistle]

good way to exceed your single threaded performance

oh

ye lol

[upper dragon]

I have it set to 16bit 48khz now

[elder thistle]

fixed?

wait yes I didn't read

[upper dragon]

less frequent?

im on my way to school, I dont exactly remember it being fixed

I changed it to 16bit 48khz and forgot about it last night

[elder thistle]

hm

[upper dragon]

probably just placebo effect then

[granite drum]

placebo?

[upper dragon]

I "thought" I heard a difference

🔥

[elder thistle]

linux for audio work is cope

[upper dragon]

mm

[elder thistle]

doesn't matter how much more efficient or stable linux audio is

[granite drum]

try this listen to the same sound twice trough the same setup , dont change anyting , first time listen to the snares , second time focus on the bass , then try once more to see if you hear a difference still if you just listen to it ,.... there used to be a special knob in mixing studios for the producer of the record , that set of knobs wasnt wired up , and they could also hear a difference ...

[elder thistle]

the basic framework for plugins, asio, hardware compatibility, daws etc. is completely thrashed going through the various freeware

[upper dragon]

yea I switched between cd 16bit and 24bit studio

its not like the difference between Bluetooth AAC and LDAC

I wasnt sure there was a difference at all, did like to think there was tho

[upper dragon]

look at my mess of a peremetric eq just to make my q35s sound nuetral

I have to tune by ear with white noise and some songs

[granite drum]

as far as sound on linux goes i cant compare sound quality but on linux with an RT kernel i do 8/16 samples buffer on my card without buffer underruns , on windows i cant go under 64 samples buffer and even that gets underruns if i do anything cpu intensive

with a motu m2 (and previously with a focusrite 2i2 , got a soundblaster Xfi live aswell wich is actually the best card but because its inside the case , it has the worst env pickup in terms of noise 😦

[upper dragon]

speaking of noise

back when I had my vega 56

and I was running lets say 60fps..

depending on frame rate I would hear 60hz noise through my headphones

not bass but noise

if it was at 100fps I would hear 100hz noise

[upper dragon]

interesting

[granite drum]

what connector?

[upper dragon]

front and back panel aux port

shit has HORRIBLE isolation

Since I use a rx 5700xt I dont hear noise anymore

vega 56 made noise like a motor would if you ran it on a speaker circuit

[granite drum]

(rt kernel is fully preemptive kernel , meaning it guarantees timimings to a process so the audio will get its updates in time everytime, its at the cost of other stuff ofc but... (also timing isnt guaranteed to be verry low but once its stable as it were it wont fail for that session and never drop)

[upper dragon]

windows could never

[granite drum]

yeah i meant the connector for the display 🙂 if hdmi , possibly it was using the analog over hdmi maybe

[upper dragon]

ohh

im using display port

now also

[granite drum]

windows has a lets say baby version of that 🙂 disguised under "optimize for background processes"

[upper dragon]

mm

[upper dragon]

what if I used process lasso to just make the audio thing first priority

like real time

[granite drum]

but then the other side is RT ultra light or so 🙂

https://www.bairesdev.com/blog/real-time-kernel-how-it-benefits-company/ good explanation even if not for audio makes it pretty clear where it can benefit 🙂

[elder thistle]

this looks like 40 eq points and I approve

my by-ear eq's also tend to look like this, using a process of sine sweeps and test music

[granite drum]

linear phase Eq's 😄

[elder thistle]

e

[granite drum]

also have these 🙂

looks more or less like yours 🙂

or this one (acient)

[upper dragon]

64**

I maxxed out

[upper dragon]

very nice

[upper dragon]

nice, very fancy eqs

[upper dragon]

lol where was this software when I was looking for it

[granite drum]

just look in the kvr audio plugin database

https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/eq-plug-ins

[upper dragon]

ahh thanks

[red quest]

Took apart a bluetooth headphone xd

[warm scarab]

@unique wind what is the current 20$ iem thing

@lean grove skibidi

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/styropyro-car-batteries-battery-throw-gif-10623617548064399155

[warm scarab]

@lean grove 20$ iem

[unique wind]

idk i don’t watch audio channels anymore

last i checked it was the 7hz crinacle zero 2

[grand granite]

You can have that many eq points? 😱

[haughty girder]

oops got warshipped

[warm scarab]

someone pinged me

im going to find you

[haughty girder]

Gate, Waner 2, zero 2

[warm scarab]

you are dead

[haughty girder]

i was replying to this but got warshipped

[warm scarab]

what got you warshipped lol

[haughty girder]

basicaly the Wan'er has a different name that basically you replace the ' with a k

[warm scarab]

lmao

[zenith pawn]

zero:2 gud

[haughty girder]

yesn't

[zenith pawn]

yes no n't

[haughty girder]

the treble is wack

best with foams

or some other dark eartips like Azla Origin, Max, or Final type E

[glad creek]

My walls vibrate when playing music, guess I need to build a new house to improve the sound quality

[restive rivet]

High end question here

What makes a headphone particularly good? Is it subjective, or are there areas that are more objective?
Is there a viable way to determine what would go into the greatest headphones ever? What are they?
What currently exists that is seen as greatest?

Additionally, does what it plugs into matter as well (motherboard audio thing, dedicated audio card, etc)? If so, how much? Do dedicated sound cards beat what a modern motherboard has?

Cost not relevant, I am not looking to buy any, but I am curious about it.

[warm scarab]

there are measurable and immeasurable qualities to a headphone

[lean grove]

There's a lot of different answers to that and it'll change depending on who you ask.

Just don't ask that Klaus guys he's the worst.

[warm scarab]

the first step to understanding the subjecting is placing your distrust in nils

[lean grove]

It's too late ive already undermined your authority

[warm scarab]

its smooth sailing afterwards

[buoyant vale]

this is basically a microcosm of the debate around headphon gud or bad right there

[warm scarab]

nils was paid by the un to destabilize the market so they can sell more garbage dynamic headphones

[warm scarab]

The end result of a headphone is multiple measurable and immesurable factors overlapping, we try to comment on what we can measure and interpret as meaningful data and comment on the rest personally

[lean grove]

Klaus took out an IMF loan and can't pay it back

[warm scarab]

white man fund?

idk what wmf is

[lean grove]

International monetary fund can't you read

[warm scarab]

me in middle

you on right center

[lean grove]

My genuine reaction

[warm scarab]

this is me

[buoyant vale]

How much you think bro regrets asking that now?

[zenith pawn]

let me be a tiebreaker

expensive = good obviously

[lean grove]

1. You'll get a different answer to what makes a good depending on who you ask. It is somewhat subjective since people have different ears and preferences, but broadly there are "targets" which are sound signatures that are made through measurements and science. But there's a lot of different targets with different philosophies so there's still some disagreement on what's the best.

2. No way to know what goes into the greatest headphone ever. In theory you could make the greatest headphone ever with the right EQ, sound processing with $20 earbuds.

3. There are very good headphones but no consensus on the "greatest."

4. Yes it does matter what you plug it into. It ranges from kinda important to very important depending on the headphone.

5. In my opinion you can get a good headphone setup for less than $300 and anything above $2000 is just needlessly expensive. But you can spend tens of thousands on headphones. There's a lot of super high end stuff that likes to call itself the "best" and they're all just ridiculously overbuilt.

[dapper halo]

can different devices have better sound than others? for example my pc (chinese motherboard) has normal audio. nothing special. not bad, nothing to complain about. but my asus vivobook ||m3500qc - rtx 3050 + ryzen 9 5900hx|| sounds significantly better on the same songs, volume, and equalizer settings

[restive rivet]

My assumption would be yes, due to how said device processes said sound
Like for instance, a device that only processes sound in 8-bit is going to be beaten by something that processes things "normally", and so on
*Unless you prefer 8-bit audio

[dapper halo]

interesting

[restive rivet]

Take my answer with a grain of salt, as I am not familiar with the nature of audio processing

[elder thistle]

"good" is a function of criteria. in itself, good is not a criteria

[warm scarab]

possible but unlikely

odds are its not the same volume

[elder thistle]

this buries all objective(tm) and subjective aspects of a headphone

[lean grove]

16bit is the bare minimum these days. And you can very easily get things that can do 32bit. But that doesn't really correlate to how good an output device is.

[lean grove]

The biggest difference will be output impedance. A lot of motherboards (even really nice ones) will have a high output impedance that can change the sound of the headphone. Usually it winds up adding more mid-bass and making things sound overly warm and muddy, but it can do other stuff too.

Laptops audio solutions might be better idk. But that's most likely the biggest difference

[zenith pawn]

Yes, most likely output impedance like nils said

On my iems, line out on my MSI z690 edge sounds really boomy and awful

Apple dongle sounds way better by comparison

--
16 bit is standard these days and it is more than likely above what you can hear

If not all you'll hear is an added hiss in the background

That's basically all for bit depth

[upper dragon]

bro its poping/clipping again

this is 40hz 86% volume btw

[warm scarab]

48khz yea?

[upper dragon]

41khz

it was doing it at 48khz so I tried 41khz; same issue

[warm scarab]

k

you have no audio processing right

[upper dragon]

yep

turned off

[upper dragon]

oh wait

APO off?

[warm scarab]

did you turn off the windows spatalization stuff and other shit from the properties

[warm scarab]

do try turning it off

[upper dragon]

oh yea all the enhance stuff is turned off

[warm scarab]

k

know what actually

do you know the driver installation interface of apo

I forgot its name because I renamed the shortcut

run that, select the devices with apo drivers, install alternate drivers in the dropdown menu

[upper dragon]

ok I disabled apo with the device config

same issue

[warm scarab]

do what I just told you to do

[upper dragon]

oh yea thats it

[upper dragon]

ohh ok

alternative drivers

[warm scarab]

its not called alternative drivers

they got weird ass names

just pick one of those randomly

[upper dragon]

ohh let me cheack the TS options

[warm scarab]

this thing

[upper dragon]

maybe ill see it

ahh thought so

[upper dragon]

so what should I change

I selected silent buffer mods

[warm scarab]

the thing i specifically hovered my mouse over

in the screenshot

[upper dragon]

oh its already set to that

[warm scarab]

yeah

change it

[upper dragon]

oh ok

[warm scarab]

restart

see if it helps

if it doesnt

I don't know

[upper dragon]

broke it lmfao

[warm scarab]

did you restart

[upper dragon]

it does that automatically

or do you mean os restart

[warm scarab]

yes

os restart

[upper dragon]

ok

[upper dragon]

still broken (might wanna listen lol)

sounded like its gonna explode lmao

[warm scarab]

you can try the other drivers

[upper dragon]

the others didnt work unfortunately

all immediately started popping when I played the tone generator

[dapper halo]

ah. thanks for the deepened understand (+ @zenith pawn )

[zenith pawn]

about laptops my framework is even worse, but my macbook was good

[worn storm]

MY EARS

[unique wind]

fire

[night plume]

sighs Looks like my FiiO E18 has officially stopped working

[night plume]

https://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Headphone-Amplifier-Resolution-Computer/dp/B09B35TCC7 Since it will be for desktop usage I don't really need a "portable" version at this point. I use earbuds for that now

Current headphones are the Audio Technica ATH-m50x

Seems they have moved away from the old E series

[red quest]

Without a box

[zenith pawn]

is it bad for my iems if i hear crackling noises when theres really high subbass

curious about whether im slowly damaging the truthear reds from tuning audio recorded with my blue snowball

that mic records this insane booming noises from my desk for some reason

[dull trout]

could be a bad dac/source? have u tried using another?

[zenith pawn]

didnt think of that

i dont really have anything else though, just apple dongle

[dull trout]

try connecting directly to your pc and see if the same thing persists

crackling noises usually comes from dac or windows

[candid hare]

hello i'm looking for a cable (Mini-XLR Female to 1/8" (3.5mm) & 1/4" (6.35mm) adapter TRS male plug) replacement for my AKG k712 pro. I looked on amazon and they just seem really cheaply made mixed reviews. I found this cable https://www.brainwavzaudio.com/collections/audio-cables-for-akg-headphones/products/replacement-braided-audio-cable-for-akg-k702-k271s-k240s-k712-q701 its 23.71$ with shipping that's not bad its my price range I guess. only problem is its only 4 feet and does not have the 1/4 TS connection I do have a 3.5 to 1/4 dongle but only 1 ill have to order another. hope I wrote this in a understandable way. any help would be appreciated

[zenith pawn]

it might just be the physical mic peaking or something

[somber shuttle]

Beyerdynamic dt 1990 pro uses same cable. Just get one of them

[heavy hill]

Is there a difference and if yes how big of a difference between the coax and usb input to a dac(+amp the r2r k11) from a pc in terms of audio quality ?

[warm scarab]

there isnt unless there are jittering issues with the coax

[raven cloud]

hey guys! im conflicted and need some advice. i recently got a Casio Privia PX-130 for cheap but is has 4 sunken keys. i took it apart and found out the rubber hammer caps had deteriorated on those keys. so i ordered 8 caps but then realized maybe i should do all of them? so i ordered 88 as well. the set of 8 arrives on thursday and the set of 88 arrives on the 24th. should i just replace the 4 bad caps? or wait for the full set so i can just do all of them? ping me, thanks!

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/maam-this-is-a-wendys-gif-22294839

[verbal fog]

run up some science one day to see when diminishing returns from getting multiple speakers happens

i got a pair of these cheap klhs and i wouldnt be opposed to spending the extra 10$ for another pair if i come across some more so ill see

[granite drum]

after a week of cursing were getting somewhere , even if its nothing at all lol 🙂 the gain doesnt even work , but we have a slider and the daw recognises it as a controllable param yeeey

lets make a vst3 .... how hard can it be right?

[granite drum]

the way coax is constructed , makes it less prone to noise pickup from the environ ment , since the singnal wire is surrounded by a grounded mesh (so bsicly a farraday cage ) , this might make it preferable over usb for longer distances eg

[umbral charm]

Goodluck, what you aiming for?

Also, hope this is the right place to ask - i got the LG 48b46la and sonos beam gen2.
Just spend a while trying to setup the TV but dolby atmos is greyed out in settings and not sure how to fix it, spend a while trying things but couldn't get it on.. I've got a hdmi cable that says 8K on it into the hdmi arc/earc (the cable was pulled from my 1440p 240hz oled monitor accessory box)

Any help appreciated 🫡 spent a while on chatgpt but was useless

[zenith pawn]

Are you making your own custom vst filter?!

I wanted to make a host for VST plugins and OFX filters

[granite drum]

yes im trying 🙂 because i cant find what i actually wanted anywhere 🙂 not free not payed, (need something ultra light , and vst's seem to suffer from lets ship it with the kitchen sink , and crazy graphics that mean nothing on a pc lol , and a crap interface...

[granite drum]

there is the JUCE framework that simplifies vst creation but also way to much bloat for me so im using the bare Steinberg VST3 SDK , as a jumping off point (unfortunatly the documentation on their site is outdated and does not match the current state of the sdk anymore) , ... but fun fact , it kind of ships with a verry minimal VST host to test plugins with, it ships as code so to use it you have to build it first but i think thats just what you need , since you can use that code to expand on to your likings...

(my c++ is more like c with stringstreams so its bad for me to find my orientation, especially since the last time i used Visual Studio , was in 2005 😦 ... )

[granite drum]

the simplest single linear phase filter possible (hi pass / low pass switch, variable q and variable freq, and variable buffer size , no gui no nothing , maybe even a static q if i can find the magic point for a given buffersize (somewhere around 0.707...)

[zenith pawn]

That is based

[granite drum]

yeah the whole point was to have something with the lowest possible footprint 🙂 and juice , this is like the minimal thing in juice :

20MB in size

[zenith pawn]

yikes

[granite drum]

the one with just the sdk (but only a gain slider so it doesnt really compare tha well) is 800k

on the other hand the juce framework sets everything up nice and its almost like doing a gui in visual basic or so , draw the stuff... have half the code automated and link stuff up ...

this is what the sdk gives you , so its not like you have to start from scratch, it sets up all depencies and cmake scripts and gives you a visual studiosolution file or xcode solution file to open and begin with

[zenith pawn]

How does graphical interface of a plugin work? Is there like a graphics api from VST or do you have to manually render stuff with windows rendering apis

[granite drum]

its in in the sdk, but JUCE has like a builder for it, you can use whatever , and whatever toolkit aswell i think just think most design their in photoshop judging by the vst's that are on the market...

https://www.steinberg.net/developers/

a slider in juice:

[candid hare]

@somber shuttle thanks il check that out

[ashen elk]

Does anyone have the Samsung 650D soundbar? I can get it now for 180eur which seems like a fair price, but I can't find proper reviews. Another option is the HS2100 from Hisense, which is cheaper, but also lacking reviews

[red quest]

🔥 🔥 🔥

30+ cm both

[unique wind]

@lean grove @warm scarab i ordered the newest hyped chifi

zero blue 2s coming tomorrow

[warm scarab]

they could at least change the name a bit

im waiting for the zero tyrian purple 3s to come out

[unique wind]

purple would be badass

[warm scarab]

zero glacous 2s

glacous 2 vs gamboge 3 who would win

[unique wind]

what do these fricking words mean?

[warm scarab]

color names

[unique wind]

goulash 4

[lean grove]

Now you're speaking Klaus's language

[elder thistle]

organic cotton will always be second rate compared to modern fiber technology

you need a helical nanofiber teflon weave

the purists are wrong

[granite drum]

impossible the cotton part ,as the earth is saturated wit pfas atm, (meaning if it rains in the hymalaya's the rain theire als contains also the plastics unfortunatly

[wet elk]

gotta get some of that high end off-earth/moon cotton not yet contaminated with microplastics

[elder thistle]

purist

[tawny sage]

What's better sony wh-ch720n or philips shp9600?
what has better audio quality?

I just need it for casual listening, spotify, movies etc

[livid ruin]

i would get like jbl tune 7xx or ugreen max5c over these

he400se

[upper dragon]

looks like senhizers still have the best out of the box tunning

and its cheaper

[warm scarab]

bro what is this graph

[verbal fog]

where are the numbers,,,,

[verbal fog]

youre telling me that 25$ walmart wireless headphones will beat some fancy lookin philips headphones

[upper dragon]

?n

thats not how you read these

which ever one is closer to the target visually, is better

the target is purple

blue line is the headphone curve

only time you wanna read numbers is when you wanna see were exactly something is peaking or dipping

[nova frost]

I still enjoy my gsp600 on my sound blaster z.
I use the old software and turn those on

[livid ruin]

shp9600 are meh

for the price*

[nova frost]

go for the middle stuff. the cheap/expensive are unbalanced. same goes for phones etc.

gorilla glass 3 still get's used

Sennheiser good because Germany sits on good earth material

[nova frost]

I'm gonna have to get a hdmi 2.1a/b so I can use the all the sound/picture features on the A/V receiver. I probably have 1.4 since it's not labeled and my 1060 would have a limit too

[livid ruin]

@tawny sage how much do shp9600 cost for u?

[upper dragon]

hey which ever is cheaper and sounds decent out of the box

if its decent it can easily be made nuetral with a peremetric eq

[nova frost]

well from the audiocheck.net. they got mentioned over a $2000 pair of headphones. did some research and went for it

and they go Fing loud too. if ya like to vibrate your ears with a 10hz-30khz 😛

[warm scarab]

same graph btw

so yeah numbers are kind of important

[livid ruin]

does anyone have csd of oneodio monitor 80?

[livid ruin]

no numbers?? 🔥 📉

[zinc rain]

weeb.

[upper dragon]

I like to watch some animes but you will NEVER catch me buying an anime product

[primal fulcrum]

So, havs you guys ordered your Sony 1000XM6 yet?
https://www.sony.eu/presscentre/sony-introduces-the-next-evolution-of-noise-cancelling-with-the-wh-1000xm6

[unique wind]

i think they make the boxes corny on purpose so that people are too embarrassed to return them

cant bring the box out in public

[upper dragon]

Senhizer M4s>>>>>

half the the price, same tunning potential better out of box tunning

also better build quality

they have a solid hinge design

[primal fulcrum]

I remember the anime conventions always having mousepads with anime jugs wrist support, but since Rukia is flat it was her butt.

[upper dragon]

the whole assembly is metal unlike sony...

[upper dragon]

💀

[primal fulcrum]

I only bought the Bleach Wallet* hehe

[unique wind]

my assessment so far is that theyre meh

im not wowed

truthear novas are better

[upper dragon]

I guess thats fine lmao

[primal fulcrum]

Never used it even once So weirdly design, too rectangular

[upper dragon]

I heard the xm4s compared to my neutral tunned q35 and my god they sound mid if not trash

[unique wind]

"theyre" being the zero blue 2s

[upper dragon]

oh

[primal fulcrum]

I thought you were blacc

[upper dragon]

I can also tune the xm4s ofc but thats SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive

[unique wind]

what gave u that impression? xd

[upper dragon]

for build quality thats all plastic

[primal fulcrum]

avatar

[upper dragon]

[unique wind]

my good sir my profile picture is a white man

[upper dragon]

light skin***

like me!

[primal fulcrum]

Did you also get a sick anime waifu figurine?

I bet the anime waifus makes the headphones sound way better!

[unique wind]

naw it didnt

[unique wind]

what are these?

[primal fulcrum]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/truthear-x-crinacle-zero-in-ear-monitors/3.html

[unique wind]

oh i didnt realize the og were purple

[unique wind]

yeah these are a flop unfortunately @warm scarab @lean grove

the treble on them is fricked up

i hear the big upper treble spike on everyone's measurements of it

theyre shrill and a bit sibilant

[warm scarab]

acrilic

[zenith pawn]

I think crin is just a weeb

[warm scarab]

hot take

[unique wind]

i am so massively disappointed by the blue 2s

theyre trash man

[primal fulcrum]

Anime Waifu = Worse sound confirmed

[warm scarab]

i mean

considering moondrop and linsoul has lead the industry's budget segment for a good few years

[unique wind]

no not necessarily

[warm scarab]

probably not a true statement lol

[unique wind]

asians dominate the iem market

and asians like their animated women

the blue 2s just suck and im kinda surprised crinacle launched them

[warm scarab]

crin sellout

its over iefbros

[unique wind]

yeah that about sums it up

[upper dragon]

good its smooth, dont gotta worry about stupid holes

[upper dragon]

[zenith pawn]

I guess it matches what everyone said before

[unique wind]

yeah i don’t think i’ve seen a single reviewer like them

[livid ruin]

mmm

i can imagine it being worse in some other ears and also minor unit to unit variance

[zenith pawn]

that's like directly in the area that my ears are more sensitive to I believe

I kinda want them out of. Curiosity

[livid ruin]

i think there r better options

at that price

[zenith pawn]

no kidding

I love my truthear reds though

[unique wind]

theyre garbo

i own reds, blue 2s, and novas

blue 2s are the worst of the three

[livid ruin]

i want my $15 holas back

[restive rivet]

Small question, if the foam pads in a headphone is so broken out that you have the bare mesh visible, is it dangerous to wear due to the metal, or is it still safe?

[elder thistle]

uh... what metal

do you have a picture?

[restive rivet]

Yeah, one moment

[violet heron]

reminds me of school-issued headphones..

it might physically hurt your ears for the lack of cushioning, but that's pretty much it

[restive rivet]

Hyper X cloud II, got it years ago

[violet heron]

you can try to look for a replacement online

[restive rivet]

I have a new pair for my main pc, but I am stuck downstairs with my laptop atm for awhile

[uneven roost]

what about the sony xm4?
I'm considering either the sony xm4's for 210$ or the momentum 4's for 260$.

[elder thistle]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMD1VYP1

these probably sound slightly different from the originals, but yeah earpads are finite lifespan parts like oil in a car

[violet heron]

you change your oil!?

[elder thistle]

shock

[restive rivet]

Good to know, and ty for sharing the pads

[uneven roost]

it'll sound weird at first but you'll get used to it in no time. absolutely better than what you have.

[restive rivet]

My other pair is actually Senheizer's HD 600

Cable is very long though, don't want that to interfere with things down here

[molten lotus]

is there an inline 3.5MM amplifier i can get?

the reason i need this is specifically the bose QC Ultra

[upper dragon]

ill take the senhizer M4s for build quality

[upper dragon]

you see this part its all metal (there is a platsic under side ofc so they could put the internals in but it has nothing to do with the swivel)

I can look at this design and easily till it will last a life time

[uneven roost]

I heard the audio quality is also better on them. is it significant?

[upper dragon]

mean while xm4s and above just have this plastic construction and they cost 300$

200-300$

[upper dragon]

they're the same when it comes to tunning potential they will both sound amazinf after tuning

as for out of the box, the senhizer m4s are better

smoother frequency response also means it will be easier to make a nuetral peremetric eq profile them

no silly random holes/dips or peaks that need adjustment

See my q35s dont have the best out of box tunning... its kind of a mess so it ends up needing a wooping 64 filters to make it as nuetral as possible

probably ended up like this bc I dont have the necessary equipment to actually effectively use filters precisely

had to tune by ear with white noise and some songs

[stuck bolt]

My 6 channel 1000W amp is almost complete

There'll be 2

[fringe osprey]

Yo i need the best in-ear monitor around 60$ to 70$ can anyone help me?

[livid ruin]

based

[lilac badger]

i have 0 clue about audio stuff but i own the KZ EDC Pros and I ordered the KZ Castor Silver Edition, how would I go about setting a EQ Curve on them and finding curves to try

[grand patio]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XhETnrHtcOQ?feature=share

can we have all public facing audio tech do stuff like this please?;

https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/14/silicon-valley-crosswalk-buttons-hacked-to-imitate-musk-zuckerberg-voices/

holy * * * * someone is already way ahead of me;

[grand patio]

https://youtu.be/E4t0wjVzNu0

[molten skiff]

what are good wirless hearphones for mfs with big heads
tried the sony xm5s a year or so ago
and hurt the top of my head

[zenith pawn]

What about iems

[molten skiff]

I already have a pair of iems

have the chu 2

[umbral charm]

This is a shitty little diagram of mine and my gfs bedroom, wanted to upgrade our sound system but not sure what's ideal/ worthwhile idk what my budget was maybe £800?

I got a sonos beam gen2 but seems too expensive to expand over other stuff and was told I could get better gear for cheaper so was considering returning the beam and getting something else if anyone has suggestions

The red marks are where outlets are and the blue is where extension leads are, though only 2 of the extensions leads are usable which are the ones on the setup and by the tv

[pallid linden]

do you want the setup to be wired or wireless?

this article might help you out:
https://www.whathifi.com/best-buys/hi-fi/best-bookshelf-speakers#section-the-quick-list

[umbral charm]

Not sure what would be easier in my situation

Here's a picture of part of the room, please ignore the bunnies mess 😂

[night plume]

Ok yeah the audio from my Front Panel on my case is far worse then what I was getting through the FiiO E18

I definitely need a replacement now

My other option right now would be to plug into the back of my Samson Metor Mic which yes I do need to replace that one as well

It certainly sounds better after disabling the STUPID built in windows audio enhanchments fo it. I am getting crackling from the front panel audio jack on my Pop Air Solid so yeah I need to get away from that

[livid ruin]

our sponsored selection of the 7 companies that sponsored our research we tested

i think i would just buy like edifier mr4 over half of those overpriced picks

at $100

[night plume]

Ok yeah the samson metor mic audio interface is definitely better then the front panel audio jack

I just need to fine tune things now

sighs this is why I HATE listening to things on yhoutube the volume levels are all over the fucking place depending ont he uploader

AKA one uploader has one volume another uploader is completely different and the next thing is either much louder or much quieter then the previous thing I listened to

This is why I like "stable volume" BUT it isn't always avaible on a video which is annoying

or it comes and goes which is annoying as well

Hell I have had things start off quiet and get louder as the video goes on

I am just like WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

[livid ruin]

nvm i found

[night plume]

I listen to things while I build in Stud.io(Studio now that Lego bought them) for example

Anyone know of a decent Desktop dac/amp in the $100-$150 range for headphones?

[livid ruin]

is fiio ka11 still relevant?

or are there better options with no possible fw issues

welp, i just bought it so whatever

hopefully no doas or fw issues

[night plume]

Last time I went looking FiiO still had the E series around so shrugs

[dull trout]

still does

unless you wanna spend less that is

[livid ruin]

I decided to cancel my order and get a jm20 max, apparently it does have less possible fw issues

It is also cheaper

It has similar output power to the ka11

Meanwhile it's less bulky

[dull trout]

also a good choice

currently running jm20max as well for my speaker

i have epz tp35 for my iem but thats more expensive lol

[livid ruin]

Most of the cs43131's should be able to power most iems

like 99% of headphobes or in ears

[dull trout]

its not that i needed the power

each dac's has different characters to translating sound

cs43131 seems to make my bright iem sound.... flat

this is the same with jm20max, jm10, and also dawn pro

which is why epz tp35, very technical dac, exactly my type

[livid ruin]

Isn't that how your iems should sound? I mean maybe your ears like the other dacs that are brighter

[dull trout]

not really when its tuned to be v shaped

but then again, your ears judges what you like to hear

if it works, its good for you

[livid ruin]

I mean most of the cheap cs43131 dacs are tuned to be as close to reality no?

a dac without issues or without being intentionally made to be bright shouldn't make your sound flat

unless your other dac is more flavoured

[dull trout]

some of them are much flatter/has not much power in comparison

although this more on the specs issue rather than the dac itself

[bright sky]

just got a new mic, wanted to upgrade from my cheap headset. I have xlr rn, but is there any difference between thst and usb?

[warm scarab]

you tell us

its your mic

[nova wagon]

No...? If both worked correctly, they are just connector standard at the end of the day.
well in the case of USB it's a protocol but not the main point.

[upper dragon]

..... Reminder that tunning is all you need to do for headphones unless you're tring to reach higher audio resolutions🤦

[dull trout]

not saying higher audio resolution is my target, many of them can do pretty much the same depth now, cheap or expensive.

[upper dragon]

ur worried about tunning tho

[dull trout]

what im saying is some dac's implementation can do better or worse with how much volume you put through it

especially if you focus on some parts of songs you listen too

[upper dragon]

like the sound profile or depth

[dull trout]

especially on the treble region, yes

[upper dragon]

so depth? 😅

[dull trout]

which is why i said, yes

especially when now that cheap dacs have voltage roll off

some can hear them, some dont

in my hearing experience, i do

[upper dragon]

I cant believe people listen to this mediocre ass tunning on the sony xm4s and say they are some of the best headphones... My god there are 80$ headphones that can easily sound nuetral for a 3rd of the price with a peremetric EQ

[upper dragon]

oh ok

[dull trout]

eh its a shallow water argument

some cs43131 dacs can be more resolving vs a more expensive counterpart

blind test is the only way to figure that out

[upper dragon]

interesting

[dull trout]

some just wants to hear more uh...... sound

some are placebo's

[warm scarab]

i mean dacs do differ in sound but like

the ones that do typically have like 10pcm filters stacked on each other

dacs that dont try to tinker with sound shouldnt sound different

[warm scarab]

they have a frequency of a minimum 41khz in a second

you humanly couldn't be able to tell the difference unless you enjoy listening to square wave tests

[dull trout]

yeah which is why this topic is very personal experience ish type of argument / personal bias in a sense
mostly placebo's

[warm scarab]

in two neutral dacs

[dull trout]

for those who says they can hear dac sound different*

[warm scarab]

unless you are listening to this i dont believe if someone says it sounds different

go do a blind test

[upper dragon]

placebo

[dull trout]

yeah, placebo

[umbral charm]

Okay so after considering more about the space I have in my bedroom, Ideally an av setup would be better but I don't think it's practical so might just have to go with an ecosystem. I currently have the Sonos Beam Gen2 which is good, but wanted surrounds and a sub - which I can do with Sonos but from looking around, I can get a better system for cheaper than the sonos one? - The sonos bar, sub and 2 one SLs would come to £885 used, whereas other gear seems to be about that price and better + new.

So the question is, what ecosystem can I get? around this £800 price?

I know i posted this image the other day, but this is a bit clearer as it's not a screenshot. From what Ive seen online - although not ideal in a perfect world, you can angle them down slightly

Only issue is: To the left of the bed, literally no gap between, the window is beside so there's not much wiggle room for having the left speaker (when watching tv) to be to the left of where I sit, although I think we could wiggle the bed over a bit so the left rear wouldnt be directly above me, would be slightly to the left

So yeah, with that said. If anyone can suggest an ecosystem for that sort of price, would be appreciated. I'll probably just return the beam gen2 or sell it if I can't as I think the window was only 14 days, but only paid 255 so might be able to get a little more online

[stuck bolt]

Bunny stuff

[stuck bolt]

What is this

[warm scarab]

holo may dac

[umbral charm]

Yeah just his toilet 😂 he's a free roam bunny so he has access to everything

[stuck bolt]

Ah

[stuck bolt]

Looks unnecessarily expensive

[stuck bolt]

Fixed

[umbral charm]

He sleeps under the desk and next to the bookshelf cos he's a miserable fucker

[umbral charm]

Currently looking at the Samsung Q800C + Samsung SWA-9500S Rears, total cost is £698 new

[lean grove]

God I wish that were me

[umbral charm]

After more browsing, the q990c is available for £849 and the q990d for £808,

Or, as mentioned - the q800c plus sub for £449 and the swa 9500s rears for 249

[warm scarab]

same

i call your mom bunny btw

[warm scarab]

yeah i think it costs like 6k

[stuck bolt]

[granite drum]

hehe for the price , one of the best headphones ever,and it seems they got expensive they were eur32 a couple years ago 😄

[granite drum]

would you believe me if i said , i can tell the difference between 44100hz CDA (16bit) and 320Kbpc CBR MP3 in a blind listen test ? 😄
prolly not ,... and yet i can, but tbh i cannot hear any differnce... there is a different tell to pick them appart.

in terms of DAC, if you can hear a difference you have either a bad DAC (since Nyquist and all) or different speakers,...

try this listen carefully to exactly the same song with the same gear and try to hear the same song, impossible if you listen to a snare a little more it starts to filter out in the song so even with exactly the same audio your brain hears different things... so ... now there is like a little difference technically in DACs in how fast they can switch and how much it overshoots and then oscilates but , realize that the inertia of the spearkers you use counters this and is otherwise of much bigger influence than that little difference in a dac...

and for anyone who cares here is the trick to tell CDA appart from MP3 :

pick a complete album ~1h on cd and on mp3 , then listen to it on repeat try two or 3 times completely... the CDA wont bother you , but the mp3 wil make you want to turn it off after the second time, because you need some rest in your head....

[verbal fog]

evil how going from a less nice amp to a nicer amp on my speakers makes them sound a lot better

the difference is crazy too i dont even need to a/b it its just better by a lot its wild

[livid ruin]

Neat for €30 but €55 is too much

[warm scarab]

this isnt a dac difference its a file format difference

a lot of people can tell 320kbps mp3 and lossless apart

[verbal fog]

i have a cheaper 100$ dac but with shittier dacs a lotta the time they fight to output low frequencies cleanly at least and that uh will ruin your experience a little if you run into that issue but also the only dac that ive had those issues with is my phone dac but meh it is what it is

but my fiio btr5 and schitt modi do reasonably well although i havent tried anything else so maybe it gets better but ill see

[livid ruin]

i like the monitor 80's over he400se

and they have actual sub bass expect for like 20-30hz

but maybe bit too warm

and the treble atleast to me isn't that sharp compared to he400se with it's spikes

but they still have shit build quality that pops when you move your face even the slightest

a better headband and slider would be nice

[livid ruin]

And imo koss headphones are bit overrated, i've had some pairs and that 4k'ish dip atleast for me emphasizes 5 & 6k and makes sounds a bit too metally or grainy

I will honestly not touch a koss headphone again considering there is the hd681, monitor 80's, max5c, and other just better headphones

[ocean pulsar]

Cool thing about koss is because they are impossible to wear properly, I can just say you are wearing it wrong and have a 99% chance of being right lol

[livid ruin]

I was told this and no it's not the case

I don't have weirdly shaped ears or extra large head either

Also i would expect the headphones to have a mid range drop with poor wearing not ununiform treble

[ocean pulsar]

Me neither yet its always a pain to position them properly
Only consistent way to position them that I've heard of is oculus with the cv1

[livid ruin]

I just don't like the sound signature, overly bright, meh treble

And no sub bass

I would say even muddy

[ocean pulsar]

Obviously without serious pressure

[livid ruin]

Again, no matter the mount

The headphone has a measurable sub bass dip

expected from a smaller driver

[ocean pulsar]

I might have hearing damage from all the KZ I'm using recently, but they always felt relatively OK on mids and highs

[ocean pulsar]

Seal (skill) issue

[Insert picture of someone wearing ksc75 with 10 rubber bands wrapped around their head]

[livid ruin]

No, look up all the charts on google

You're telling me every single reviewer got it wrong?

[ocean pulsar]

No, but reviewing an item and making it work to your liking are very different things

[livid ruin]

in the case of kph30i

[ocean pulsar]

It would be irresponsible of a reviewer to review a ksc75 as if its a portagrado

[livid ruin]

There are just better options

i don't know what to tell you

[ocean pulsar]

But if you can add a bit of spring or rubber band or use another headphone's band to make it work? 🤷‍♂️

[ocean pulsar]

Did I ever say there weren't?

[livid ruin]

Yes i tried pressing the kph30i's to my head it helped like by 2%

that's not a fix

[ocean pulsar]

Not for you

[livid ruin]

Can you show a fr chart that suggests otherwise?

or any

[ocean pulsar]

Lots of folks like a project tho

[livid ruin]

Kph30i with grado pads... Maybe if you have hearing loss

or ksc75

[ocean pulsar]

As not what ksc75 can do for you, and what you can do for ksc75
If you don't want that in a headphone, grab something from the esp series if you want a koss

[livid ruin]

Overpriced imo

there is a reason why people mention the lower end koss headphones and not higher end

[ocean pulsar]

cheapest unit in a category by last I checked half
overpriced
Uh ok

[livid ruin]

Exact pricing?

[ocean pulsar]

The sale price of 600 that I'm seeing now is insane, I meant at 1k base price (including cans and energiser)

Oh I stand corrected, stax has a unit at 1k now!

[livid ruin]

Esp-950?

sale ≠ good price or good product at such price

[warm scarab]

i dont think sub bass was ever the selling point of koss

it just has a sound stage and decent mids/highs

bass is as erect as my dad

[ocean pulsar]

95x = 950 and the 95x has always been that price just low stock

[livid ruin]

I was just disappointed in the treble region as well

[warm scarab]

its 17$

what do you expect

ur40 is a bit better

[livid ruin]

$9999

Headphone

[warm scarab]

just autoeq it to he1

[livid ruin]

Yess

[livid ruin]

Are they worth the mone?

if you're looking for closest to reference

in that range

[warm scarab]

id go with iems honestly but open backs there isnt really any other competitor in the range

[livid ruin]

Oneodio monitor 80? They go in sale for $50

i got mine for €40

[warm scarab]

never heard them

perhaps it is better than un40

[lean grove]

Says who

[warm scarab]

me

[livid ruin]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/oneodio-monitor-80-stereo-headphones-in-test-studio-quality-under-100-euro/

[warm scarab]

looks ok

measurement is like

incredibly flattened

[livid ruin]

V

shape

[warm scarab]

its a smoothened measurement

doesnt show dips or peaks

[livid ruin]

Igor's has unsmoothened

but strangely i don't hear the 3khz peak but maybe just my ears

nvm it's 24/1

anyways doesn't have peaks like he400se for example in the upper treble

from what i can hear atleast

@warm scarab i believe this should be unsmoothened

[warm scarab]

its smoothened

asf

[warm scarab]

bro

its literally a flat fucking line

this is how zero smoothening looks like

this is how 1/48 looks like

and this is your graph

[livid ruin]

I meant the graph isn't like 1/8

[warm scarab]

that scale doesnt exist in rew

shits like 1/3

[livid ruin]

Igor's has 1/24

again.

not 1/3

Or that's not good enough

[warm scarab]

3-4khz peak doesnt exist in the other measurement lol

goes to show you what smoothening does

[livid ruin]

.

[warm scarab]

maybe igor messed up measurements who knows

or its unit varience

[livid ruin]

yeah one of the two

[hasty tundra]

I was just listening to some random stuff on my HD599s with the crinacle tune with peace equalizer and came across something with vocals in the foreground and they sounded so natural straight up eargasm

[granite drum]

no they cant , if its based on 'hearing anyway' nto the 320k format anyway

[warm scarab]

except the file bandwidth is literally not related to the samplerate

and this is a completely different subject

[granite drum]

kind of is since the one limints the other 🙂

[warm scarab]

it really doesnt

lol

you have lossless music at 8bits at 41khz samplerate

[granite drum]

i meant if you want to get 192khz into 320kbps ...

[warm scarab]

you could find lossless music with a 1 byte bandwidth at 41khz samplerate and 32 bitrate if you found a supporting format

[granite drum]

i think wav supports that , and so does aiff

[warm scarab]

physical constraints of the file formats aside, its a completely different thing to have an x amount of samples per second vs a y amount of information in the x amount of samples per second

[granite drum]

okay i have to dissect that line in order to grasp its meaning

[lean grove]

Say the word ShadowLandTerroist and I'll undermine Klaus's authority by making something up about him and destroy his credibility

It'll be swift. He won't feel any pain

[warm scarab]

you will never be a real person

[granite drum]

(but i looked it up for wav its byte 24-32 that encode samplerate ,and byterate, and since its bytes here i think it covers any arbitrary value

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/crayator-katana-gif-19295368

[granite drum]

i dont think hes wrong in this case just that he misread what i was saying

[lean grove]

No he's wrong don't doubt yourself

I haven't read the conversation but I'm sure of it

[granite drum]

if you are limited to 320 k bits per second of information, trying ti fit 192k samples into that limits the bith dept of those samples to 1bit at best (basicly on or of

that way the one limits the other even if not directly

• i dont engage in flamewars unless i think either i can corect a wrong statement or i can offer a perspective that has not been considdered , i get proven wrong often and usually dont have much problems incorporating the correction into my thinking , since i learned music and music production on the back of an electronics degree and not based on any prior musical knowledge , i tend to find uses for things that one might considder verry out of the box 🙂

like there is no sane reason to use 192khz audio , defenetly not for live performances,... unless your using a laptop + midi setup (if the hardware can handle it) for the same buffersize in your dac yout get a setup that is 5 to 6 times less latency * 6 (bothj for midi in and midi out) so it does make sense to use it, just not for audio quality

[warm scarab]

i mean

yeah

192khz exists for a headroom stretching the audio

no one renders something at a sameplerate higher than 48khz for end user listening in the audio industry

and most often its 41khz

[zenith pawn]

i am so confused trying to read what shadow is saying

its certainly possible to hear a difference between lossless and 320kbps mp3 although probably pretty hard for most cases

[red quest]

https://streamable.com/169ywf beast

my legs were the box xD

[lean grove]

highly unusual. its either a problem with focusrite or windows.

[tawny sage]

Hey, I’m looking for a pair of headphones under $100. My main goal is to get the best bang for my buck in terms of sound quality, comfort, and overall value. Right now, I’m considering:

Philips SHP9600
Sony MDR-7506
FiiO JT1
Superlux HD 330/660
JBL Tune 720BT/JBL Tune 770NC
Sony WH-CH 720N

[livid ruin]

these are all ee expect for the jbl's, and the sony's and these superluxes are bad. ft1 if you can stretch your budget or hd 560s ideally the old version with longer cable and better padding,

oneodio monitor 80 could be also an option

if you can get them at $50

he400se maybe?

[lean grove]

take a look at the KOSS KC75

its one of the best value headphones in audio

extremely comfy too

[vivid kelp]

+1 for stretching to FT1 budget if you can

They will have much better bass reproduction than the koss (although I hear the koss is pretty damn competent for the price in all other areas)

FT1 are really nicely put together too, much better than my m40xs I had in 2017 lol

Those things are basically held together with tape and prayers at this point

[elder thistle]

here's what the ft1 is a bad value for:

1. timbre. instruments don't sound realistic dollar per dollar even if you eq the headphones

2. dynamics. things like vocals feel like they don't move or fluctuate almost at all, and instead are locked in some kind of abrasive sounding and lifeless state

3. bass texture. the ft1 has tight bass, but it's rather plain. quieter overtones and effects related to the main bassline are glazed over and less obvious. the bass also doesn't have the ability to swing in volume like an hd600 does for example

4. imaging. these do have some form of precise locations of sounds in most games, but it's also precisely wrong frequently enough to become a problem compared to other closed backs. this is not the same as imaging issues per someone's hrtf, this is just the confusing effects of such a large driver.

5. microdetail / quiet sounds. this somewhat ties into the bass texture thing. if you're playing games with similar sound engines like warzone, apex, or the finals, you will be worse off hearing weak but important sound cues than even some $50-100 gaming headsets. this is of course situational since other things can hide sound cues.

[elder thistle]

this is why asking for "bang for the buck" with headphones is not a functional question. depending on your exact use case and goals with exact game titles and music genres, as well as your preferences and what variables you may or may not care about, any given headphone such as this fiio ft1 can give you a $50 experience or a $500 experience

[elder thistle]

I should mention that there's typically a small amount of wiggle room in how different people hear these properties. it is much smaller than preference factors

not absolute

m50x is a great non-example, where some hear it crystal clear and surgical while others super muddy and no details

[elder thistle]

oh I have these too

uh it's like a less resolving dt990 250r with no imaging

pretty interesting for $50 perhaps

[livid ruin]

oh, dt990 absolutely shred my ears

[elder thistle]

but they refuse to sell replacement earpads, and the earpad lips are keyed against dt990 style ones

for this reason I never talk about them and will celebrate the day they're no longer available on amazon.
well not entirely. it's definitely not my own choice to make during recommendations. but it's hard to find situations where they compete in something

[livid ruin]

yeah i was searching for replacement pads after i received them and couldn’t find any

[elder thistle]

I emailed them about it and they confirmed they don't sell the earpads

buy a new one!!

[livid ruin]

atleast they’re one of the most linear headphones in the treble region i’ve owned so far, no weird spikes

i’ll use them for few weeks and let ya know, i like them more than he400se’s

[elder thistle]

here's my measurements if useful

[livid ruin]

looks like $10 V shape iem measurement

lol

[elder thistle]

maybe

hm

I will use mine more tonight to refresh

$50 does make them quite interesting

[livid ruin]

i paid €40 including le european vattage tax

• shipping

on allegro

i guess they want to get rid of the stock

are they still in production btw?

i assume yes

[elder thistle]

looks like it

the driver here is visually similar to the one in their A71 model, a $30 closed back

but there's something truly great about how the mids were done in the a71 and pro 10

way more detailed and dynamic and natural than they should be

I could listen to the pro 10 all day if I could wear it for 5 minutes

not that it isn't a $30 headphone with some $30 sound flaws

I think the tone issues I'm experiencing here are notably worse than the measurements

probably quick changes on the order of +-9db

they are really testing the limits of how much 8k energy my ears can withstand, fully comparable to my dt990 here, maybe slightly louder

everything from the low mids to 1.7k sounds absolutely gutted, at least 6db worse than the measurements imply

kicks sound nothing like kicks, and neither do vocals

very strange

[livid ruin]

my issue with them is at ~7k and overall the treble is indeed a bit untame but to my ears i would pick them days over dt 990's

[elder thistle]

I'm prone to issues with 8k

not sure what's up with the mids though

it's 1 step away from being a 2.1 speaker system with both midwoofers having a wiring failure

still, there is clarity and various instruments obviously exist

this suggests I should eq these before judging them much further

I'm undecided whether the mids are like the two cheaper models I mentioned

[mystic flume]

Hey everyone, first post around here 😬. Wanted to hear if anyone had any thoughts about the HT setup I'm working on. Picked up everything used (India is expensive for HT equipment usually) -

Epson Home Cinema 3800
100 Inch Elite screens ALR (this is new)
Marantz SR7010 AVR
JBL CSC55 Center channel
JBL CST55 Fl + Fr
JBL STUDIO 210 SL + SR
JBL STudio 220 SBL + SBR
JBL STAGE A120P sub
KLIPSCH Quintet satellites x 4 as height channels for some atmos
Also getting a basic external stereo amp to drive 2 of the channels with preouts from the Sr7010 (Not sure which channels I should drive)

Any thoughts? My room is 16 feet x 10 feet, with the distance to screen around 14 feet.

Everything (including setup, grey painting the room, etc) has added up to a little over INR equivalent of USD3000.

[forest bridge]

hey i wanna buy the jbl tws like i have confusion if i should buy the wave buds or beam or tune buds or tune beam. I need more bass and comfort and clarity of music in these specs which tws is good? plz help
or any suggest tws for bass, clarity and comfort under like 60-70$
the blue one tune buds and other is tune beam for reference

[vivid kelp]

The comparsion to a hd600 is a bit unfair given the price difference

FT1 is a safe recommendation, sure not everyone will see it as their favourite but most people should be able to agree it sounds decent as it follows harman fairly well

FT1 isnt a neutral headphone by any sense, but it will bridge the gap between very flat, natural headphones and boomy garbage that is gaming headsets

[mighty forum]

How do you properly drive IEMs where there isn't hissing out of your dac/amp? I ordered some Kiwi Ears Orchestra lite. Use a schiit stack but I cannot take the hissing noise. Doesn't reproduce on my tablet. I'm reading something about high or low noise floor being the issue.

I see like three option:

1. impedence adapter (idk understand these because so many variants),
2. iFi iEMatch+
3. a separate iem dac and or amp

I'm not really sure which is the best option

[warm scarab]

apple usb c to 3.5 adapter

you shouldn't buy 100$ amplifiers for iems that would be incredibly silly

[mighty forum]

would be silly but there seems to be IeM dacs/amp combos for 20-50$. The ifi cable is 50$ and idk what these impedence adapters are but I see them too

[warm scarab]

and apple dongle costs 10$

[mighty forum]

will it get loud enough to hurt my hearing though??

[warm scarab]

impedence adapter is just something that inroduces resistance to the wire

maybe

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CX31993-Headphone-SNR128dB-Windows10/dp/B099NBWB7L

go get this instead if you really like throttling audio

its an iem anything should drive it sufficiently

[mighty forum]

i know my tablet wasn't loud enough

[warm scarab]

grab the cx dongle if you want to make sure its loud enough

you should also go to a doctor for your hearing

or else you may need hearing aids at 35

[mighty forum]

no no no no look! I don't know the proper wording but sometimes source volume is super low so I'm used to boosting it on my amp

although that means I gotta turn everything else down in windows when that happens lol

[warm scarab]

well if you want headroom then grab the cx

you really dont need expensive dac amps for iems

or impedance wires which are directly detrimental to the audio