audio-tech

[haughty girder]

in what world.

Basically everything KZ makes is garbage, stop recommending them.

if you think anything KZ is 8/10 then you haven't heard good audio before

[brisk topaz]

idk i like the sounds

for sub £20 including an unironically not that bad mic they are ok

[haughty girder]

Meanwhile Truthear Gate, Zero/2, hell even Wan'er beats them out

[brisk topaz]

for music i prefer the kz zs10s

[haughty girder]

You like peaky shrill garbage, got it.

[brisk topaz]

maybe my amp is tuned worse then my car

ill try them again straight to my pc

[haughty girder]

that kz doesn't even have a bass tuck

[brisk topaz]

thats goofy

[haughty girder]

the bass doesn't even bleed into the mids

the bass just is the mids

[brisk topaz]

a ohm resistor thingy (i forgor name) would help

[haughty girder]

no

no it wouldn't

it would make it worse

[brisk topaz]

i can see that

[haughty girder]

Don't go around giving reccs when you don't know shit

[brisk topaz]

i daily drove the zs10s and the zsn pro x

over a year each

[haughty girder]

Have you ever daily driven the Truthears?

any of the Truthears?

Be honest.

[brisk topaz]

some are in my ears as we speak

[haughty girder]

Which?

[brisk topaz]

zero blues

[haughty girder]

Have you listened to anything that's tuned to an actual "neutral" target?

[brisk topaz]

i need to clean my mouse pad damn

[haughty girder]

stock tips 💀

[brisk topaz]

yeah

[brisk topaz]

i like them

[haughty girder]

like?

[brisk topaz]

no point getting new ones if i don’t need them

[brisk topaz]

hd600s

[haughty girder]

oh that explains it... your cables are backwards

[brisk topaz]

huh?

yeah they arent

[haughty girder]

do you wear the iem marked with r in your left ear?

[brisk topaz]

no

im not an idiot

[haughty girder]

you have the cables... dangling out the front then?

[brisk topaz]

yeah

thats how its comfortable for my glasses

the thicker part of the cable around the back of it

[haughty girder]

huh what

[brisk topaz]

the thin part of the cable gets tangled in the glasses if i wear them "correct"

[haughty girder]

tf

oh ig I can't judge I don't use stock cables

[brisk topaz]

piss off mate😭

[haughty girder]

flipped polarity drivers 😭

[buoyant vale]

you keep shilling KZ

so I'm doubting that statment

[brisk topaz]

they arent horrible for £20

[buoyant vale]

yes they are

[brisk topaz]

the only reason i daily drove them is because 1. broke and 2. mic

[buoyant vale]

even for 10 of aliexpress they are a rip off

[brisk topaz]

show me £20 iems with a decent mic

[buoyant vale]

yes KZ do liek to die

one of the reasons they suck ass

[haughty girder]

Truthear Gate.

Actually goated stock cable

[brisk topaz]

i walked into that

[haughty girder]

the cable isn't even just decent for a stock cable

[brisk topaz]

how good is the mic?

[haughty girder]

it's actually lowkey good

very solid

people buy the iem for the cable.

I had two

[brisk topaz]

i dont like the non textured cable

i like my braids

[haughty girder]

the same braids that get caught in your glasses

the cope is real

I run xinhs cables on my iems - those 2 and 8 core cables are goated

[brisk topaz]

that happens no matter what cable i use

unless i get a thick ass display cable on my ears or some shit

[haughty girder]

You've just never felt a good cable before

[brisk topaz]

link me some

preferably for the zero blues

[haughty girder]

Go to Aliexpress and search up "Xinhs"

[brisk topaz]

why is the linkdin page the first result for xinhs cable

[haughty girder]

Ivipq is the same brand

[haughty girder]

it's a chinese oem

[brisk topaz]

fair

[haughty girder]

they oem cables for other chifi iems

[brisk topaz]

thats wild

ngl they all look kinda ugly

i like the black cable

[haughty girder]

nicehck blackcat is a solid black cable

very soft

[brisk topaz]

fuck it ill just use stock cable

[brisk topaz]

the bass is odd

ill try playing bf4 see if thats consistent with footsteps

it is kinda bad

[steel isle]

Hello,
A friend of mine has a pair of Razer Blackshark v2 Pro, and they keep turning off when there is no sound. This is all good, but the issue is, they do not make as much as a beep when they do, so he does not know that they have turned off. So if hes reading or otherwise, he becomes unresponsive on voice comms for up to hours before noticing the sound has dropped.

Is there any way to disable the turn-off feature or enable sounds when they power off?

[brisk topaz]

that sounds like a razer being shit at making headsets moment

i’ve literally never heard of that problem before sorry

[dapper quartz]

Just placed a order on some Arya Organics with Linsoul Tripowin GranVia balanced cables 😌

Am I reaching endgame yet bois

[haughty girder]

Arya? Endgame? lol.

[lean grove]

The real endgame was the friends we made along the way

[steel escarp]

I only made enemies

[lean grove]

Then you're still in mid-fi hell

[steel escarp]

everyone else is

[molten lotus]

real endgame is the m50x's

this is a joke please dont go after me

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-point-pointing-going-inside-gif-25709356

[calm crater]

Any recommendations for an entry level mic for VC

[violet heron]

fifine t669 should do the job

[solar hedge]

Hey guys does Fiio K11 have like an audio interface like EQ software for PC? or something? (Waiting for it to arrive)

[rain sleet]

Looking for a decent wireless headset with a 90-110€ budget. Any recommendations?

Or just what you're using/I should be looking for

[steel escarp]

It doesn't have eq built in

Topping D50 III is the cheapest DAC with EQ built in

[steel escarp]

I wouldn't go wireless if you're looking for budget

[rain sleet]

I can go over like 20€, but if I can find one within that range it's better

[steel escarp]

I'd get the EPOS I Sennheiser GSP 600

But it's wired

But they are really good for gaming

[rain sleet]

I kinda want to dance while listening to music or do celebratory dances, preferably with a headset on

[steel escarp]

Get speakers

Lol

[rain sleet]

I don't live alone

[warm scarab]

i dont think any headphones are staying on your head while doing those

[rain sleet]

Well it's not breakdancing, just some simple moves, but we're getting off-topic

[warm scarab]

cloud 2 wireless ig

[rain sleet]

Will take a look

[unique wind]

qudelix 5k is a balanced dacamp with onboard PEQ for $109

[steel escarp]

It's bluetooth tho

[unique wind]

it's wired but does also do ldac bluetooth yes

it's such a goated device tbh

$109 and can do pretty much everything

oh it does aptx adaptive too

this thing is fucking overpowered

[rain sleet]

@warm scarab something like this look alright?

[warm scarab]

yeah

[rain sleet]

Alright I'll get it, found it in a good price, worn once or twice

[quiet ether]

trying to get a second opinion on what an issue may be with my subwoofer, i'll lay down my issue and what i think could be the cause along with a vid or two

so basically since ive gotten my alpine g12 subwoofer, i had to make a makeshift power source from a computer psu to up the wattage onto my cheap amp from amazon, and once i get to a certain volume it becomes very brappy? idk if its a term or not but will show in the vids
i dont know if its my wiring, the amp, or the power source, i wouldnt think its the power source but it may be an option, the amp i have is complete dogshit but it works. im just trying my best to play music that sounds good AND bassy.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101571959097135236/1284155722505916499/IMG_3611.mov?ex=670d27b6&is=670bd636&hm=575455a86ee3d7dd26c5305bf93d1ba7b38968dc2297cbf8d554680806722d3c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101571959097135236/1290700355188822088/IMG_4480.mov?ex=67147c20&is=67132aa0&hm=7ad53b70592820212c923d5b4cf745c3989e29a903d775bf903a8b8fad1cf7cd&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101571959097135236/1288959186801131651/74905850971__05A9C846-8696-4EAA-A3CC-EC8861A19607.mov?ex=6714be09&is=67136c89&hm=83c26342dfbee3e848efc5841514c5fbe66754803038c9b95e3839111ea35be1&

[wet elk]

If got power cords near the audio lines would separate those from each other a bit could just be like noise/interference messing with the audio and or power circuitry but otherwise would guess based on what you said just issues in the amp overheating or something and cutting in and out (could test if is heat issue partially by pointing a fan at it see if takes about the same time to "go bad" or if takes longer or higher power to get into a bad state)

[quiet ether]

amp is above psu basically, so its technically getting airflow

and my amp is right next to the pc so theres airflow from that too

my largest guess is that the amp does not have a low pass filter

and there isnt a time that it goes bad, you can just turn it on and get to the certain power level and it'll just go brappy on ONLY the subwoofer

can provide more pics to show amp, power source and such

[wet elk]

Definitely could be something with just audio signal itself I'm not an audio engineer so maybe can get some better feedback from others here but it just sounds kind of in the range of power hums although also sounds like the pitch is shifting a bit for where it gets "stuck" so could be like bad gnd connection or like you said just something funky with low pass filter letting extra junk through the signal

Cheap oscilloscope probably useful for debugging it some to see the signal itself but not sure what else you could try immediately

[quiet ether]

heres the amp

psu

and im running 2 core copper wire

[wet elk]

Nothing standing out to me really tbh, you could check the voltage going from psu to the amp to see if the voltage is dipping significantly in which case probably more draw/load than the PSU can handle but if voltage staying pretty consistent there would probably not be too suspect of the PSU itself. Capacitor I can see there looks fine (sometimes they pop but usually can see the top part busted or something leaky, not always but usually)

Good pics though in case someone else here has ideas or knows that behavior.

[quiet ether]

yeah, im just very stumped on what to do

i also use a bluetooth connection if that may have any issues?

[wet elk]

Eh shouldn't really Bluetooth just another 2.4GHz ish radio thing but the hums in the audible range, and basically should be Bluetooth on and getting audio stream then going through digital to analog converter or just feed audio from line but not both

I'm more on the software professionally and electronics hobby side of things but some interest in audio things, so some knowledge but limited in this arena 🙂

[quiet ether]

yeah thats fair, ive been trying to troubleshoot on my own because i know lots about speakers and the physical side of things but this issue has stumped me

for now ive moved the amp and power source onto the floor so its away from other things, and maybe it couldve just been a bad connection

im also basically left with 0 budget to do upgrades or replacements too, so getting new wire or an actual speaker amp will be extremely hard

[modest furnace]

Hey everyone, nearly finished up with building my media wall, anyone have any recommendations for a soundbar?

[lean grove]

1. does it have to be a soundbar
2. how much money do you want to spend
3. is this gonna be hooked up to a TV or just something to play music

[modest furnace]

I think the soundbar would be best as i don't have too much room to work with
I'm not looking to break the bank with one I wouldnt mind spending anywhere to like 350 or so
its just going to be used mainly for the tv then music and stuff when guests are over

[lean grove]

take a look at the Samsung HW-Q60c

[modest furnace]

Ill look into that one, Thank you!

[brisk rover]

Anyone know what the best speakers for music under 100usd?

[glad granite]

I have the Donner Dyna 3's that were 80usd, but they aren't for sale anymore sadly.

[torpid hatch]

You can probably find some nice used studio monitors for that, and they'll sound better (flatter freq/transient response) than any hifh-style speaker.

[brisk rover]

Alr

[cedar knot]

What the best true wireless earbud for $300 usd and less rn? I’m looking for the best overall and I use iPhone if that does anything

[elder thistle]

that doesn't really make sense

the answer is no because no human on earth can tell someone with an unknown complex set of preferences and an unknown complex set of music signals and values within that music, which speaker will meet this target

what is the best house for me under $200k?

[elder thistle]

similar logic will apply here

[lavish sentinel]

i think theyre looking more for options than just one single suggestion. like, who does that? well... other than idiots. i mean hell, im stupid asf and still do research and look for options.

[elder thistle]

so far none of the highest rated audiophile headphones I've tried are the best (techs-wise) at anything for their price

like just looking at the modern hd560s: mediocre instrument separation, resolution, and fine detail all contested by things like dt990 250, k702, mc450, yth2300, m50x*

wide stage with precise imaging but it's neither the widest or the most precise

decently balanced tonality but not great and has good reasons to use eq

some dynamics, relatively low bass control

and somehow it remains one of the most commonly and strongly recommended headphones slapped on newcomers like a bandaid

it's really dumb

the recommendation can be escaped by specifying almost anything about the use case

less people will be stuck with useless features of the sound by saying "I like realistic sounding guitars" or "I'm trying to mix harder electronic music" or "I listen to a lot of rap and want powerful clear bass"

maybe someone isn't afraid of diy-ing a mic or a headphone jack or epoxying a headband slider

[unique wind]

airpods pro 2

[brisk rover]

🤓🤓🤓

Shut up please bro

I dont want to hear all that

Im looking for options for good speakers not one truely perfect speaker

[elder thistle]

so you wish to spend $100 on any arbitrary set of speakers with unknown sound

usually the "don't care" speakers are in the $20ish territory

like the pebbles or some logitechs

2.1 system with a wall powered sub if you're ambitious

[brisk rover]

No I’m looking for options so i can do my research on them before buying them

Do you not get what options mean

[haughty girder]

It's comfortable, cables are easy to find for 500 series, doesn't have any outstanding issues like dt990's sibilance.

[lean grove]

Little dude you're tryna act tough in ltt discord. you look like a goofy ass kid who gets intimidated by long sentences.

Try harder.

[haughty girder]

Are you unable to grasp the nuances of audio or you're just an ignorant dumbass

[lean grove]

Dude is unable to grasp the nuances of someone trying to give him an informed opinion

[haughty girder]

I still don't really trust Jackson but somehow asdf is worse

[brisk rover]

I dont want a detailed paragraph on something i just want simple options

[buoyant vale]

tldr is you are too poor for speakers

[haughty girder]

Except nothing about audio is simple

[brisk rover]

I guess

[brisk rover]

Yes

[haughty girder]

It'd be like recommending a Lambo huracan if you live in the arctic

great car sure, but completely the wrong tool for the use

but it has awd like an SUV, plenty of torque, good traction

just like the SUV that would be the right answer

But without context (arctic) you wouldn't know they needed ground clearance

audio is much the same

[brisk rover]

Ok

[buoyant vale]

You think Adhd1 read all that?

[elder thistle]

I wouldnt readily recommend the dt990 either to be fair

more often it's a country+price+availability thing and eq is acceptable

but even then there are other sound reasons

[elder thistle]

so why do you need us

there are lots of stores with search filters

you can tell the site everything useful you told us, maybe even more

[brisk rover]

Oh yeahhhh

[warm scarab]

see if you can find edifier 1080 around that much

should be available second hand

if else creative pebbles 2.1 will probably be your best bet

[brisk rover]

I got the pebbles as a desktop pc speakers and they’re ok but not great for music imo

[warm scarab]

well if you want an upgrade then you should be paying a bit more than the pebbles

check the edifier 1080 and ideally the edifier mr4

[brisk rover]

alr ill check them out

[brisk rover]

actually i have the 2.0 i forgot to mention that and the sound is really muddy

[warm scarab]

muddy sound is more related to your speaker placement than the speakers

pebbles aren't really normally muddy speakers

[brisk rover]

oh i see

[elder thistle]

freeman you fool

[tender rain]

hello guys, can someone help me deciding which headset i can take between the g pro x (wired) and the g pro x wireless. i dont mind if its wired or the price i just wanna know if the wireless has a better sound than the wired.

[gentle quiver]

My earfun earbuds got uhhh misplaced and they were amazing but ive got a higher budget now. Can someone reccomend me some earbuds for like £70. Can go up to 100 if the price different is worth it

[lean grove]

It depends. Generally speaking, wired can have higher sound quality. But if you plug a wired headphones into a shit headphone jack, it can be worse than wireless.

But you can buy a decent little audio dongle for like. $10-$20 and fix a shit headphone jack.

[obtuse badge]

I really love my Sony x1000. They just came out with a new model so you might be able to find them cheep.

[lean grove]

Truthear hexa

[gentle quiver]

Sonys arent earbuds but the hexa i might try out they look weird tho

[ocean pulsar]

1/4 to 3.5 adapter

there should have been one in the box

[fleet rain]

Has anyone figured out how to game streaming in TikTok through Mac OS?? Without 3rd party software?

[queen oar]

Does anyone know any good anc wireless headphones I've been looking at momentum 4's and xm5's but cannot find a definitive answer on what's good

[stone quartz]

https://www.cashconverters.co.uk/shop/music-tv--video/home-theatre-tvs--hifi-stereos/amplifiers/audio-equipment/027700167437

Is this a good deal?

I think it's a first generation Dolby Atmos model

[rancid gust]

I need a new pair of headphones. these are what ive boiled it down to. which is the best choice

SteelSeries Arctis 7+ vs SteelSeries Arctis Nova 7 vs HyperX Cloud III Wireless

[noble axle]

ive done the impossible and made sennheisers comfortable

[lean grove]

Are you specifically looking for a wireless gaming headset or are you open to other options?

[rancid gust]

wireless specifically. willing to look at other wireless ones around 100-150$

[lean grove]

I don't have any relevant recommendations in that range sorry 😔

[elder thistle]

hacker

also try capra comfortstrap

[rancid gust]

Np mate

[novel arch]

Anyone got a go xlr? i got my go xlr hooked up to just my main pc. And since i had an old pc i connected the line out to it, or line in idk. I just wanted to make sure, but its not possible to change the volume of my music and system channels in my line out right? So that i dont hear them less through my headphones but the line channel does

[solar hedge]

Hey guys I got a K11 the other day and I was wondering if I should use Usb type C or Optical Cable to connect to the PC and my K11

[steel escarp]

usb

optical is worse

it has something to do with a thing called jitter

[ocean pulsar]

yea no, jitter is the same via optical or usb on the dac side

on the pc side, if you run into usb issues (common on ryzen) you can switch to optical if you want, the only downside is it doesnt support as high bandwidth for higher hz or bits

[queen oar]

Does anyone know any good anc wireless headphones I've been looking at momentum 4's and xm5's but cannot find a definitive answer on what's good

[noble axle]

theyre sold out it says

[warm scarab]

you can buy and use any strap

make one yourself if you want

[lean grove]

Generally speaking with more modern DACs, USB has considerably better jitter than optical

I haven't seen any measurements for the k11 to verify it though

[ocean pulsar]

until the audio starts skipping

[lean grove]

When does the audio start skipping

[ocean pulsar]

randomly?

[lean grove]

Does it?

[ocean pulsar]

yes, its happened on every os ive ever used

actually not on android hmm

but i only have usb optical on android so thats the same thing

[lean grove]

I still don't see what you're talking about Carmon

Are you saying that every USB audio device skips for you?

[ocean pulsar]

its extremely rare, but whenever you push a computer too hard, usb will skip

on ryzen it happens without having to push the computer very hard

[lean grove]

I've literally never noticed this. I think maybe you just have something weird with your PC

Or your dac

this seems like something specific to you.

[ocean pulsar]

ive experienced this issue on at least a dozen computers myself, and helped others fix it on hundreds of computers

[lean grove]

And I've not experienced this issue at least zero times and you're literally the first person I've heard complain about it.

[ocean pulsar]

what do you think people are complaining about when they talk about dpc latency?

[lean grove]

Every day all my friends talk about is dpc latency and for hours on end I just nod my head and pretend like I know what they're saying

You're doing the carmonben thing again where you say something is inferior because it has one thing wrong with it sometimes.

Where actually the thing that you're arguing for is inferior in just about every other way for a myriad of other reasons but doesn't have this thing that bothers you from time to time.

USB DACs are pretty good these days.

Optical is a digital transport of last resort.

[ocean pulsar]

chicken and egg

if you get devices that skimp on the optical, youll get bad performance
but jitter is inaudble, and audio skipping very much is
fiio at least claims to be using the same clock circuit for both, so jitter shouldnt be any different anways...

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

If you get devices that skimp on anything you'll get bad performance

[ocean pulsar]

theres a reason that setups that rely on timing dont use usb, and yet optical is very much still used, and thats that usb is software buffered, but everything on the codec (including optical) is DMA

[lean grove]

I believe you. But since USB is how most people will be using these devices, that is where they are least inclined to skimp out. Generally speaking.

[ocean pulsar]

🤷 its just a matter of cloning the timing circuit from usb

the issues ive run into however come from the source, the sink is only ever a problem when its proprietary driver bs

and hey guess what, optical doesnt need drivers

its a shame that apple removed the optical out from their headphone jacks :/

at least they added in AVB and PTP

[lean grove]

Everyone was using those stupid 32 pin docking systems that always broke. Taking optical off of the audio jack was warranted.

[ocean pulsar]

?

they never had it on iphone

only on macbooks

and up

[lean grove]

I've never bought an apple product I thought you were talking about ipods

That on a MacBook is extremely good.

[ocean pulsar]

negatory, computers only

[lean grove]

But also werent most people using fire wire back in those days

For like. Pro audio stuff

[ocean pulsar]

this was during the firewire to thunderbolt transitions time

[lean grove]

MacBook puberty

I think a lot of the people concerned with the problems of USB are using streamers with AES and I2S

[ocean pulsar]

actually they removed it in 2016 hmm

for folks having trouble with usb i actually recommend hdmi like all the home theater folks use, but toslink is more accessible

[rain stump]

What affordable home audio setup do yall recommend people on a budget

[lean grove]

usually whatever from edifiers fits your budget

[tawdry gale]

if u have around 200-300 usd, jbl 305p ii or 306p ii

[elder thistle]

there are new cr series speakers

[cosmic wraith]

Ok sh?

[rain stump]

Okay

[rain stump]

Okay

[elder thistle]

are there any negative or neutral reviews for the fiio ft1? or ones from music producers that aren't audiophiles

finally

people grounding their reviews to the current market

[warm scarab]

producers

producers will do fucking anything to shit on any marginally decent headphone to and praise their stupid 500 year old monitoring headphones

try telling one of those dudes dt770 is bad they will have a mental breakdown

[primal fulcrum]

I had these for a while, they were horrible.

The Cables that screws itself like that should be illegal, never have I been more annoyed by a cable pulling away the headset from one of the ears

[nocturne smelt]

is the behringer XM8500 paired with the Behringer UM2 U-Phoria a good setup? 99% of the time its going to be used for calls

[elder thistle]

producers don't usually care about headphones, or a lot of audio equipment in general aside from maybe synths

[stone quartz]

I will never understand Amazon pricing

[elder thistle]

the music is what matters

[stone quartz]

The 12 and 14 guage are only £1 apart despite having significantly different amounts of copper

[merry trout]

What sort of mic should I get? I heard something else other than Bluetooth, was is it XLR, and is that any good?

[broken heath]

Can I use an aux input to rca output cable for rca input to aux output?

[haughty girder]

anything can be used for direct monitoring, DT770 are used because it's durable, not because it sounds good.

[smoky thistle]

I am wondering, my earbuds have a small piece of metal with small holes to protect it
on one side I use a lot, and while cleaning I lost it, how bad of an Idea is it to take the metal piece from the other side that I don't use and just use that?

[lean grove]

They're probably the exact same. So not a bad idea.

Just don't lose the second one.

[smoky thistle]

:)
I just found the missing one

[haughty girder]

It's used for tuning as well

but between left and right are usually the same

[steel escarp]

the urge to buy HEDD Type 05 MK2 speakers

[tawdry gale]

dekoni blue lol

[sinful wasp]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[haughty girder]

30 metres?

at 12 gauge?

you do know how thick 12 gauge is right

12 gauge 30 metres I think that's a little expensive, but it's also combined into one sheathing which isn't common so I don't have a direct comparison

I think it's a pretty ayt price honestly

wait tf that's an old old message

most of the cost probably comes from logistics, though.

[stone quartz]

12 gauge is about 3mm² I think

[lean grove]

Material costs make up a small percentage of the final tally

Most of it is getting it to you and the machines needed to make it.

And for wire, both of those things are pretty much the same between 12 gauge and 14 gauge.

The difference in material being only a quid makes sense.

[fathom elm]

is the hd560s a good choice at around 150usd?

[violet heron]

yes

[elder thistle]

are you sure about that

[severe hare]

guys iam trying to solder

a connector 3.5mm

from a 2.5mm balanced

i have a 16 core cable

3 positives 4 grounds each side
2 without connection

how should i solder the connector?
what are the connections?

[tawdry gale]

if ur in the US, nop

[fathom elm]

why? 150 i thought was a good price for them

[tawdry gale]

cuz hd6xx exists

(if ur in US)

its got better timbre and tone

and smoother treble

[fathom elm]

i just looked it up and they are atleast 50$ more 😭

[tawdry gale]

doesnt have that lower treble peak hd560s has

[tawdry gale]

hd6xx is a repainted hd650

hd650 retails for like 300-400

usd

but they sound exactly the same

[fathom elm]

i’m wanting the hd 560s

not hd650

[tawdry gale]

have u demoed 560s

[fathom elm]

these are 150-200 from what i’ve seen

ur telling me to get a headphone 250$ or more

[tawdry gale]

6xx better though

its 199

on sale its 169

[fathom elm]

send me the link

😭

[tawdry gale]

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx

[fathom elm]

that’s still 50$ more than the hd560s

[tawdry gale]

its worth it, trust me

I demoed most headphones

199 usd for a new 6x0 series headphone is a bargain

(6x0 series = 600, 580, 6xx, 650)

[fathom elm]

i don’t got that 50$ 😭

[tawdry gale]

save some money

personally, Id actually rather use the 25 usd ksc75 than hd560s(due to the smoother treble)

that lower treble peak is annoying

[fathom elm]

tbh i have no idea what that means

[tawdry gale]

do u know what sibilance is

[fathom elm]

nope.

[tawdry gale]

do u know very bright sounds that causes ur ears pain

eg

[fathom elm]

i’m not the one buying it, just a present for me from someone

[tawdry gale]

girl screaming

[fathom elm]

yea

[tawdry gale]

yep

thats sibilance

[fathom elm]

so what’s a lower treble peak?

[tawdry gale]

sibilance

[fathom elm]

so it just doesn’t go as high?

[tawdry gale]

no

[tawdry gale]

it means that the bright sounds are extremely emphasised

at that one point

of the frequency range

can cause ear ringing

[fathom elm]

ohh so it means it hurts my ears even more

[tawdry gale]

yep

a few people can handle it

eg older people

[tawdry gale]

u could wait for sale, they go for 169 on sale

[fathom elm]

is there not like a software or anything that can change it?

[tawdry gale]

u can eq if ur not on apple

[fathom elm]

i was thinking of using it for a pc

[lean grove]

They haven't been that low in a while

[tawdry gale]

https://youtu.be/PsijHAVLbuY

Download eq apo and peace ui for windows

[fathom elm]

but i do have an iphone, so i can’t change anything about the headphones on that?

[tawdry gale]

if u have iphone

u need to spend more money

if u want to eq

on iphone

cuz apple

[fathom elm]

oh that’s not a super big deal

[tawdry gale]

u will need to buy a q5k

for ur iphone

if u want to eq

its around 109 usd

[fathom elm]

oh maybe it is 😭

[elder thistle]

depends on what you want

the hd560s and hd6xx have reasons to exist, and have different sound properties

also you'll find very few reviews talking about the new hd560s. there was a revision, and under my circumstances, opinions, and use cases it sucks

what will you be listening to? anything you can say about the kind of audio signal given to the headphones is helpful

and the stuff you want to hear in that music/game/software/movie

oh its for a friend

that always makes it harder

[haughty girder]

there's a new revision

shorter cable apparently

sound wise I'd imagine the changes are similar to that of HD600 ireland vs romania

basically negligible

[fathom elm]

nooo it’s for me from a friend

so it’s not me spending the money

but they said like 150$

[fathom elm]

music,games, and movies

and open back fs

[past grotto]

can literally anyone tell me the best headphones i can buy for under £200

wireless ideally

and have a somewhat flat eq

or IEMs that fit really really nicely in my ears.

[livid ruin]

do they have to be wireless or can be wired

with wired you can have quite a bit better sound for the price

[past grotto]

wireless
i cant stand wired

they would need to work with both phone and PC

[livid ruin]

and do they require to be 2.4G when using them wirelessly? because bluetooth has decent latency

[past grotto]

sure i use wired on PC when i had my xm5s

but when on my iphone, always wireless

[livid ruin]

you’re not gaming right

[past grotto]

I am, but i dont use them for gaming like a gaming headset

id use them wired at a pc

just when im outside with a phone which is the problem

[livid ruin]

i can’t think of much tbh… probably sennheiser momentum 4’s at that price?

rec may be outdated i’d suggest asking someone else /wait for someone else to give a recommendation

[past grotto]

okay

what about iems, just for reference

[livid ruin]

yeah, i’m probably too behind to recommend something the iem market changes quickly

[past grotto]

hm okay

[livid ruin]

just don’t buy sony and such

unless you need anc

[past grotto]

i mean i would like anc

but then again if i get iems i suppose sound isolation would be enough

[livid ruin]

well, money goes into the technology so, you will sacrifice sound or your own money for that feature

(usually)

[past grotto]

i mean i can sacrifice some sound since i did really like an eq i found on reddit for the xm5s

currently using airpods pro 2 and theyre honestly starting to hurt my ears and the sound profile is crap personally

[livid ruin]

minding the treble peak?

[past grotto]

its horrible

[livid ruin]

pro 2’s are fine

with sound, nothing good but not bad either

[past grotto]

im just extremely used to my xm5s, and i am adjusting but its hard to not have custom eq

i do use apple music aswell

[livid ruin]

xm5 buds right?

or headphones

over ears

[past grotto]

this

i had xm4 buds before my airpods though

[livid ruin]

welp, the xm5’s don’t sound that good, especially for the price, i assume you might as well not like that the airpods have basicly nonexistent sound stage as with most iems/tws

or yeah prob just got used to the xm5’s that’s also kinda a thing

also i can’t recommend you iems that will fit your ears nicely because people have different ears, yes there is generally what fits best most people but there’s no guarantee

@past grotto what do you not like about the xm5’s that you want to upgrade/change

[past grotto]

no dolby atmos (useful when i have apple music), they dont fold away like xm4s

thats it tbh

i loved them otherwise

battery life was actually amazing

[livid ruin]

welp, you won’t enjoy much sound stage on closed backs so…

[past grotto]

i guess

[livid ruin]

there are ofc some exceptions but they’re usually pricey

[past grotto]

I mean i found qc ultra headphones for £300

[past grotto]

i mean the xm4 earbuds fit well besides the fact that they were a bit big for my ears

[livid ruin]

they’re not good i’d avoid them tbh

[past grotto]

fair enough

i mean if the iems hsve good sound isolation id be happy with iems that wouldnt have anc

[livid ruin]

yeah iems do have good isolation

i’d wait til someone gives you a rec i gtg

[past grotto]

• sound drowning it out i suppose itll somewhat mimic anc, without it ofc

[past grotto]

alr ty

[elder thistle]

no I mean which within these

rap is way different from metal

[fathom elm]

ohh

yea mostly rap

games, basically anything except beat games

movies and shows it’s anything really

[fathom elm]

probably won’t listen to much metal

[elder thistle]

do these games demand that you can tell where a sound came from?

[fathom elm]

yea they do

[elder thistle]

it's a shame I havent tried the shure srh840A yet, only the 440A

but closed backs in general are the type of headphones that can easily have deep, loud bass

[fathom elm]

i don’t want closed back, it really just makes me feel weird when i use them

idk why

[elder thistle]

ok uh

hmm...

[fathom elm]

yea that’s why i was gonna get the hd560s cuz for 150 i thought they seemed pretty good

[elder thistle]

you mean 560s?

[fathom elm]

mb

yea

wait

yea

didnt meant to type that

[elder thistle]

how loud would you say you listen? perhaps louder or quieter than a lawnmower?

[fathom elm]

it honestly depends, if it’s music, it’s around the same or louder, if it’s a game that i need to hear footsteps and stuff, then yea probably

rn i have a razer blackshark v2 and i usually have it turned as high as i can go, or above 90% on anything i do

i’ve had this headset for a while, like a year or 2, but i want smthn new, and definitely better

[nova wagon]

whats the current top pick for a 100 usd iem?

[elder thistle]

hmm...

I guess the hd560s could work, but the question is then the bass

you can generally get the hd560s to these kinds of volumes with certain $10 usb dongles. but the issue with the bass is it's pretty flat and therefore will seem weak to most people

boosting the bass is possible with free eq software, but this comes at the cost of less max volume when used. there are amps out there for around $40 that will give you even more volume

but the dongle may be enough if you don't listen to rap all that loud

[fathom elm]

i don’t think that is a super big problem

easily fixable

[elder thistle]

the current hd560s being sold won't have it's level of detail taxed by rap music, which is great. they will become more mushy sounding and more confusing in competitive fps or in most circumstances where a lot of sounds are happening at the same time. though it's still a bit of an upgrade over the blackshark v2x in that way.

oh v2 not v2x

[fathom elm]

yea

[elder thistle]

still most likely an improvement, just haven't tried the normal v2

[fathom elm]

pretty big upgrade i’d say

[fathom elm]

i like them over any recent headset i got ranging from 50$-150$

[fathom elm]

wouldn’t i be able to also use that amp for a mic? or is it something completely different

[fathom elm]

which is hyperx cloud x, arctic nova 5 wireless, and razer nari essential

atleast in the last 2 years since i got those blackshark v2’s

[elder thistle]

the usb dongles I was speaking of are the jsaux usbA-3,5mm and the one made by koopao, same idea and same power. they will give you a cleaner audio signal if your pc's isn't already clean, and they are generally louder than a given pc's headphone jacks. an amp is something like the douk audio U3, which is used with one of those dongles and a 3.5mm to dual rca cable

the dongles themselves support headset mics, but you'd need to use a splitter

if you mean full fledged xlr microphones, what you're talking about is an audio interface. they're more expensive like $60-100 for a cheaper one

but they do also provide extra volume

[fathom elm]

yeaa that’s what i’m talking about, thanks for clearing that up

[fathom elm]

i get the audio jack adapter or the stereo sound adapter? the audio jack one right?

[elder thistle]

audio jack adapter yes. or at least that's the one I have. stereo sound one has no guarantees of using the same chips

[fathom elm]

ok ok thanks 👍 i’ll get fs

[elder thistle]

it's a bit louder than the apple dongle and cx31993 chips

and just as noiseless and clear, at least to a human

[fathom elm]

should i get one for my iphone(lightning) i’d rather use this then airpods for like a long car ride or smthn

[nova wagon]

hmmm, the iphone has pretty fine onboard chip tho

[elder thistle]

the iphone doesn't have a headphone jack

bruh how could it have a chip for a headphone jack if there isn't a jack

[nova wagon]

excuse my foggy brain

[elder thistle]

yeah you can do that too. apple's lightning to 3.5mm is basically the default one. I haven't explored the different options there

[nova wagon]

it's so competent for many pair of headphones you don't really need much else tbh

[fathom elm]

i’ll probably just get that, then the douk audio u3

[dapper quartz]

Anybody here own the Hifi Organic headphones.

I feel they apply too much downward head pressure.

Ear cup pressure is very loose making all of it coming from the headband

I would kill for more ear cup pressure

[unique wind]

@warm scarab thoughts on r70x refine?

[warm scarab]

the what

wtf

no idea

my money is on "how much sawdust can we put in rice before they notice" sort of approach with this release

yeah i smell bullshit

r70x is already congested sounding and barely has a soundstage

and they say its even more "warmer"

and doesn't sacrifice the "massive soundstage" r70x is known for

[unique wind]

yeah it has a lil more bass starting in the lower midrange

minor change but people seem to like it

[warm scarab]

interesting

the fall off is better and treble is slightly lower

idk ill see if i can demo it

[merry trout]

is $130 CAD or aprox 95 usd a good deal for earbuds?
there the cfm buds pro 2

[lean grove]

if you can live without the waterproof and spatial audio, then you can get comparable stuff for cheaper

[merry trout]

k, like what? i would prefer the waterproof tho

[lean grove]

moondrop space travel is only $25

not waterproof though

i dont know any decent stuff thats waterproof unfortunately

[steel escarp]

im through with the fiio ft1 phase

[haughty girder]

that's terrible

AliExpress has em for 80CAD with coupons that can bring it down to 60

[merry trout]

k, thx for the info

[soft rune]

@elder thistle @haughty girder Is it advised to get a different cable than the stock cable? Or is the stock one ok

Like this one idk

[haughty girder]

I hate the stock cable on that iem

but it's serviceable

[soft rune]

You have experience with this iem?

[haughty girder]

yes

most of the 20 dollar iems I do

[soft rune]

oh nice

The image i sent u of the other cable, can i just swap the stock with this one? is it interchangeable

[haughty girder]

yes it's interchangeable, but it's made for a recessed connector so it might not look as good

also, perhaps wait for a sale

I assume you're in Canada?

[tawdry gale]

lol

[haughty girder]

ew

[lean grove]

theres nothing i love more than a proprietary connector that nobody fucking uses to lock my overpriced product into a doomed market.

[tawdry gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535786870995419137/1299910099808288829/graph_91.png?ex=671eeb1e&is=671d999e&hm=a0d3891a00a1b59b0e1a367f62dfde8d40c0f7eb11dcbc04aaef6d54cca54218&

Its kz level tuning

[steel escarp]

@lean grove which speaker set do you recommend for a small 2.3x3.3m room

I have been considering getting hedd type 05 mk2 if I find them below 1k second hand

Going cheaper would mean going passive, since all cheap actives have hiss

[elder thistle]

behringer truth 3.5 has no hiss

but thats super cheap compared to hedds

[buoyant vale]

Nils be like;

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[trim palm]

guys do u know any amplifier that support dt 770 at a budget?

[sleek lily]

What's the budget?

[trim palm]

about 100, the less is better but not at too much of a quality sacrifice, is that a sane request?

[trim palm]

i guess it was

[sleek lily]

You can probably get a used schiit magni and modi

[warm scarab]

dont need one

[tawdry gale]

just use apple dongle

[solid oar]

Who makes a good 9.1 amplifier these days? I need to replace my 11 channel Yamaha blew a capacitor last week. The speakers are definitive audio so they use a lot of juice, 2 towers, 1 center, 2 rear bi-polar, 2 side bi-polar speakers and a sub however it has its own wall outlet

[stone quartz]

Denon, Marantz and Yamaha have some nice options

Some of them have 11+ channels if you're willing to provide separate amplification for the additional channels

[solid oar]

I think a 9 channel would be sufficient for my needs.

[fathom elm]

should i get the moondrop dawn pros, or the fosi audio k5 pro for pc?

[lean grove]

If you don't need a ton of power, then the dawn pro is perfectly fine.

[fathom elm]

well they are the same price basically so

so then i’d probably go with the fosi audio k5 pro

i think

[lean grove]

Oh I was thinking about the fiio k5 pro.

Yeah get the dawn pro.

It's bare bones and for that price, bare bones is what you want.

[fathom elm]

well i found the fosi audio k5 pro on sale for 50 which is the same price as dawn pros, but it’s usually i think 80

[steel escarp]

If only the dawn pro had a volume knob

Instead of like 65 steps of volume that you control by a volume up or down button

Lemme just decrease the volume by pressing down 25 times 😭

[lean grove]

I still wouldn't get the K5 pro. It has its own set of issues like for some reason it doesn't have a flat frequency response. It almost looks like the bass and treble knobs are off-center and cant be bypassed or turned off.

The y axis is super zoomed in, so it looks worse than it is

Its still -4db in the bass which will be noticable.

[fathom elm]

idk much about audio things, but what does that mean?

[lean grove]

It means it's gonna be changing the sound out of the box in a way it shouldn't.

It's gonna reduce bass and treble making things sound different. Like voices and stuff will be pushed forward and the fancier effects like bass and treble will be pushed back.

This is kinda like if your monitor made things more green that everyone else's monitor

Like every other reasonable DAC/amp this should be flat

It's not that hard to do. The fact that it's this bad tells me someone fucked up while designing it or they intentionally made it weird.

[fathom elm]

there is a knob on it that you can change those tho? but yea if it’s like that then i probably won’t get it

[lean grove]

Yes you can but you'll never be able to make it sound "normal"

Or "most neutral"

[fathom elm]

i watched a few vids on it and they said they thought it was pretty good for the price, better than a lot at that price at around 70-80 but if it’s worse than the dawn pros then idk what they were talking about lol 😭

thanks tho

[nova wagon]

they don't have a measurement like what nills posted tho do they?

[fathom elm]

i don’t remember tbh

[sour kayak]

does anyone know a soundtrack that can help me test out how good headphones sound quality is?

[nova wagon]

The one you listen to the most tbh

[fathom elm]

i was planning to use it with some hd560s cuz i heard those have low bass and low smthn, and it’s hard to hear footsteps and stuff in games, and i don’t wanna have to go through and get software to kinda change that how i want it, so i thought the knobs on the physical thing would be better, but i’ll probably get the dawn pros and i think using some software is probably better then to change the eq

[lean grove]

It can be really hard to find every problem with an audio product with a few weeks of listening. Some of my stuff I find massive problems after months.

Measurements can show some of these types of problems almost instantly.

So the audio reviewers you should be trusting most are the ones who publish measurements with their subjective experience. Using them to highlight any problems they had, or if they thing that showed up in measurements is actually a problem at all.

But still, people make mistakes and sometimes do bad measurements. So it's still not a 100% thing.

Rtings famously has tons of measurements but they're really weird and wacky and they have reputation for oversimplifying the meaning of the measurements

[fathom elm]

even then tho, i’d still be more safe just buying dawn pros then

[lean grove]

Yeah.

[fathom elm]

cuz ik those are just really solid

[lean grove]

Hmmm. I'm tryna think if there's something released recently that can do the footstep thingy...

Oh yeah the schiit gunnr

It has some knobs which go a bit above and beyond the simple bass EQ

It's a lot more expensive than the dawn pro

You might be able to save some money if you get the pc38X instead of the 560s? They're tuned very similar but the 38x is like $70 cheaper or something

I'm overcomplicating things

I think you'll be happy with the 560s and dawn pro.

[fathom elm]

yea thanks a lot 👍

[queen oar]

does anyone know any good wireless headphones. I've got a budget of up to £250

[radiant iron]

I am very happy with my Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless. I personally like to shop at the Sennheiser Outlet same warranty but significantly cheaper.

[queen oar]

Awesome. I was planning on getting those exact ones. Either these or xm5's but most people say the sennheisers are better

[radiant iron]

I only have one issue with them, when lying on my back they tend to slide, but only when lying on my back, they don't slide to the front, might also be an issue of my headform

[tawdry gale]

accentum plus

is tuned better than m4

[warm silo]

I love working in R&D at an audio company

Its so fun

[sleek lily]

Which company?

[warm silo]

Not saying which due to personal info stuff, but if you've ever been to a concert or LTX, you've heard what I/the company I'm at makes

[sleek lily]

Glad you found a job you enjoy. That's one of the hardest parts of the job market

Weighing your interest

[warm silo]

100%

well if theres every discussion of pro audio or Bang & Olufsen in here, i'll have some opinions lmao

[sleek lily]

@warm silo you work more on the electrical side or mechanical side?

Or logistical

[warm silo]

im between these 2

alot of hardware/componet failure analysis

[sleek lily]

Cool

[warm silo]

essentially: I blow shit up (professionally)

[sleek lily]

Lol

So like testing unplanned failures

Like someone plugs their speaker into the wall instead of their amp

[warm silo]

ehh sorta

its usally pushing stuff past its limits, seeing where it fails, then improving it

[sleek lily]

Ah, so like suppling a 5vdc circuit with 6 and 7 and 8v and so on

[warm silo]

say you drive a speaker at 105% rated power in a bad environment, which part of the driver will fail first

[warm silo]

yup

[sleek lily]

Cool

I can pretty easily see how that can be fun lol

[warm silo]

it is

also fun to take photos of stuff about to catch fire with a $10k thermal imager lmao

[sleek lily]

Once I start making my own headphones I'm gonna need to find cheap ways to test and set safe parameters for them not to melt. Especially because the way I plan to make my traces should be pretty bad at handling high current

[warm silo]

oh nice

wanting to start a headphone company?

[warm scarab]

is there a scenario that the tweeter doesn't go first

[warm silo]

in a subwoofer

[warm scarab]

hmm

coil?

idk

what else can fail

[warm silo]

it honestly really depends on what im testing for

[warm silo]

glue

glue fails ALOT

[sleek lily]

Gonna use a copper based coating that I'm going to spray on using a socket with mylar between and a resin insert to set the trace then electroplate them in long concentrated batches

[warm scarab]

i see your point

just weld the foam

easy

[warm silo]

honestly a cheap thermal camera will do you well

[sleek lily]

I'll have to invest in one

Need to buy an at home oscilloscope first though

[warm silo]

they can be found for like $200 on amazon

[sleek lily]

Gonna try and get a really good one used

Need high sampling rates

[warm silo]

fair enough

my little $55 one I carry around in my personal backpack is good enough to stop me from getting burned lol

[somber temple]

what are some good headphones that dip below 150 on black friday

[warm silo]

I don’t know if it will have a black friday sale but the HD58X are around 170

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

58x isn't where it's at unless you really want that super warm sound signature.

[warm silo]

I have them and they are really good for being the lowest cost open back hd600 style sennies

I dont find them to be super warm

are they pretty warm, yeah, overly, nah

[lean grove]

well then the question is, why not get the hd6xx for only $30 more?

its the lowest cost but its only marginally lower

[warm silo]

i was trying to stay as close to 150 since the person who asked seemed to be concerned with price

if it was my money, id pay the extra 30

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'd say the 6xx is worth the extra $50

if you can pay $30 more you can pay $50 more

they're just so close in price is the thing

and like i said. if you like that sound sign more power to you.

[warm silo]

fair enough

I mostly listen to Jazz late at night on my 58x so I might just be use to the warmth of them :p

[elder thistle]

I imagine the enamel and glue or whatever in the voice coil

especially if it's a higher frequency because less cooling

[elder thistle]

what kind of good(tm) are you looking for

[errant wharf]

I need a second cheap pair of IEMs for my laptop bag. Are people still recommending the salnotes zero/zero2 or is the truthear gate a new option?

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285802385654153249/1300820145748312104/20241029_065241.jpg

Is this audio technology?

[sonic flicker]

Fished out my old E-10K and while it was definitely a bit under-powered for my HD-650s, it's doing a great job at driving my IEMs.

[elder thistle]

these are all things that exist

[errant wharf]

Great thanks.

[elder thistle]

what else can you expect me to say though

there is no "better" or anything like that until we start looking at the specifics of the sound and how that will interact with the music or other sounds you put through the iems

[errant wharf]

Not looking for better, just seeing what people recommend for budget iems

[sleek lily]

The vintage versions are cheaper usually

They're also imo the best versions

Also, didn't 58x use just the 600 series body but a completely different body and baffle? Or am I remembering wrong

These 3 are the peak for the series though imo

[warm silo]

yup the 58x and 6xx are essentially the same except for one peice of paper

theres probably other things too but I've heard if you remove the paper behind the driver on the 58x they turn in to 6xx

[sleek lily]

Found these pictures in a review

Looks like it uses the 500 series driver

Doesn't look angled like those are though

I wouldn't remove the paper

It'll ruin it

I know cause I was testing a modded 569 with removed rear paper to recreate hd620 (because it turns out Sennheiser lied about that using a 600 series driver and it's just a 500 series driver but I wanted to run tests around it)

But it requires a lot of damping to get the driver to behave with the paper removed

620 achieves this by having a really small and foamed up chamber behind the driver

My modded 569 did so in a similar way

Just increasing that cavity size a little though would make it basically not play certain frequencies and clip super easy

And just generally not behave as it should

Doing the same as an open back would make it just a broken driver

[abstract imp]

Eversolo DMP-A8 Music Streamer,DAP,DAC,Preamp,4GDDR4 +64GeMMC AK4191EQ+AK4499EX,ARC Input,IIS Output,UV Meters,spectrums,Parametric EQ,Pre AMP+10dB Analog gain,DSD512 PCM768kHz/32bit Black https://a.co/d/7p5wMXm hmmm

Is eversolo good

[sleek lily]

I haven't heard it but heard it's great

[warm silo]

ah gotcha

i just head somthing about it like a year ago

[tawny python]

hd560s for 80€ a good deal? and do they need an amp? are they particularly sensitive, needing a dac?

[lean grove]

Yes.
No.
Kinda kinda.

[tawny python]

alright, thank you! i think my motherboard isnt complete garbage so i will be fine (probably…)

[lean grove]

Worst case scenario you can get a small little dongle or portable DAC for €20-€40 euros

[abstract imp]

https://www.eversolo.com/Product/index/model/DMP-A10/target/[ld]yN%2BvBjptVBKKmVViAFMcQ%3D%3D.html#/ maybe someone can enlighten me is this something you'd use with a pc or more so a tv setup

[tawny python]

yeah i got the apple usb c one, but now i have an iphone 11 and motherboard with no usb c lol

i mean it can handle my m40x-s it can probably handle the hd 560s

[lean grove]

It's a streamer so it's meant to be used away from a computer. It's pretty much its own computer and you can tell it to connect to a streaming service or whatever.

So, you can use it at a PC, but at that point it's just redundant.

Kinda like having a computer to send a file to a computer to play music.

When you can just use your computer to send music to a DAC (which you can get a probably similarly performing DAC for significantly cheaper)

[abstract imp]

@lean grove u know a good dac and amp with screens u can use for spotify etc ik it's stupid but they r cool

If not I'll just do a70 pro and d70 pro and a90d and d90 IIID

[lean grove]

Is this for a desktop? Headphones? Speakers? TV?

[abstract imp]

Desktop powering headphones and kanto tuks headphones r HD 800s

[abstract imp]

^

Ik fiio exists not sure how good it is

[haughty girder]

ew

[haughty girder]

both.

But I'd say Gate just because the cable is a lot better than the Zero's

[warm silo]

Dont have a streamer rec but if you want a separate streamer and headphone amp, I love the Schiit LYR

[lean grove]

Are you talking about the fiio r7?

It's fine for what it is. But from a hardware perspective if you don't need the screen and streaming capabilities then it's overpriced.

But if you see all the extra bells and whistles and you really like that, I say go for it.

[abstract imp]

How would quality compare to a a90 and d90 or a70 d70 pro stack

[abstract imp]

I could just buy it n test

[lean grove]

Couldn't tell you. Probably not too different.

Distortion levels beyond the limit of human perception.

[abstract imp]

R9 it is to test tjen

[abstract imp]

Same for eversolo dmp a10

To test

[elder thistle]

make sure one of the earpads isn't more deflated than the other

pretty big issue with used sennys

otherwise set yourself up for some geekria earpads and 2db of eq headroom, but free extra bass

[high steeple]

Cross posting for general

[lyric glacier]

which setting shoulld i use for the pc38x?

(i have an option to pick both)

[warm scarab]

top

[raven cloud]

hey all. i am looking into buying new headphones. current (lost) pair is wh-ch700n which have been good but its time. i do IT, server room can be noisy so good ANC is a must, plus planning on moving to NY and spend a bit of time in the city. here are the options im looking at but if there are better, feel free. please keep recommendations around the same price-range. thanks! options: Sony wh-1000xm5, Bose quietcomfort ultra, Sennheiser m4

[random tartan]

I personally have the Sennheiser m4 and I would 100% recommend it. The ANC from the Sony headphones is probably better but it's not a massive difference. And the audio quality of the m4 is simply better in my opinion.

If you want more info about them let me know.

I am an audio engineer, i use wired and way more expensive headphones for work related things. And in ears ofcourse. But whenever I'm free I like to use the m4s because it's just nice to not have wires attached.

And for wireless headphones they have amazing sound quality.

[stark mantle]

@tawdry gale got to properly test out the noice cancelling on my JBL 770 Tunes, did a really good job

[honest spruce]

Can anyone suggest a pair of headphones? Ive always had these «gaming» headsets, but want something really good now. They’ll be used for gaming, but also listening to music etc.

[random tartan]

What is your budget?

Prefer wireless or wired?

[honest spruce]

Oh yea, sorry the budget is kinda flexible, but i would probably not want to go above like 5-600$ find that kinda hard to justify lol

They’ll go through my goxlr; so a 3,5mm jack would be nice so I can plug em right in. I prefer wired for that cause. It’s a hassle with setting up the xlr with wireless stuff

[random tartan]

Ah yes, then I would definitely go with wired.

[honest spruce]

I don’t mind the cable anyways. Doesn’t bother me

If I can get a really good upgrade if I go slightly above budget, then sure. So kinda flexible, but I would want to stay under that^^

For reference, I’ve used my pair of Logitech g pro x for like 5+ years now. Whenever the first edition launched

[random tartan]

I don't necessarily have a specific model recommendation for you, but I recommended looking at te sennheiser wired headphone options.

They have very high end ones that are 1700 but you can also get amazing sounding headphones for around 500.

I have used multiple of their models, i can't off the top of my head say which unfortunately. But I would recommend looking at their sire.

[random tartan]

Mostly because i don't know the prices off the top of my head.

[honest spruce]

I’ve heard a lot of ppl suggesting sennheiser, heard something about hifiman or something too

[random tartan]

Those are also good, but sennheiser is more reliable i would say.

[honest spruce]

How are the sennheiser’s for gaming? I feel like a lot of these more expensive ones really focus on just one point, like mid range and are really nice for a very specific genre of music. Of ass for other stuff

[random tartan]

I personally use sennheiser headphones whenever I'm free. For my work I use others but those are very high end proffesional headphones. So nowhere near your budget. For something like this my recommendation for the price would be sennheiser.

[honest spruce]

Are they overall nice?

[livid ruin]

compared to?

[random tartan]

Yes they are.

Does depend on the model and what you're comparing to. But generally as a brand yes.

[honest spruce]

I see a lot about beyerdynamic too, how are they?

[random tartan]

They are excellent headphones.

The problem with audio is that there are a lot of brands haha.

But only a few that are actually great. But sennheiser and beyerdynamic are definitely 2 of those

[honest spruce]

It’s hard to choose lol, what about open vs closed? I don’t know enough about this to make a good decision lol

[random tartan]

If it helps, i'm a professional audio engineer and even i can't say exactly.

There are just so many brands and it changes per person.

[honest spruce]

If they are open, is it easy for everyone around you to hear what’s going on?

[random tartan]

A little bit, but usually it isn't that easy to hear.

[honest spruce]

Looks like i can get some sennheiser 660 stuff, hifiman edition xs, beyerdynamic dt 1770 or 1990.

Just mentioning some I see around my budget around me

[random tartan]

All good options.

Between those I would go for sennheiser or beyerdynamic.

If that helps, but that's just my personal preference.

[honest spruce]

If you had gaming as a first priority and music as a second priority in mind?

[random tartan]

Probably beyerdynamic

[honest spruce]

I feel like you kinda need something good overall for all ranges when it comes to gaming

[random tartan]

True

All 3 of the ones that you listed are excellent, so it's not an easy choice.

But i would say beyerdynamic.

[stark mantle]

I have the BeyerDynamic DT 770 Pro 80Ohms, I love them, but they're a bit bass heavy

[random tartan]

Based on everything you have been saying.

[stark mantle]

But that's specifically what I wanted

[random tartan]

That's exactly what I mean with personal preference.

Which is why it's so hard to give exact advice on audio.

In my opinion.

[random tartan]

I have used those in the past, they are great. But indeed a bit bass heavy.

[stark mantle]

I wanted something to make explosions and gunfire pop in shooters

[random tartan]

I used them for work back then so it's different. But they are great. Now I use very high end professional in ears though. Which is still much better. But they are definitely great for most things.

[honest spruce]

I do enjoy some good bass when listening to music

[stark mantle]

Ive got 3 pairs right now which I think is already too much really

not counting the spare shitty earbuds you got for free with phones

[random tartan]

I have like no joke 18 headphones or something by now. But I went through a lot over the years trying to find the best ones for my work.

Most of them are quite old though

[honest spruce]

Are iem’s able to give u some surround type sound? So I’m able to understand where sound is coming from Ingame?

[stark mantle]

just fyi good surround on headhones is all about the software

I can hear where shit is coming from perfectly on my stereo headphones

[tawdry gale]

Nice, did u like the sound

[random tartan]

And in the end I didn't evengo with headphones lol, in ears can be very expensive but also much beter because they can be custom made to fit your ears.

[tawdry gale]

Stage on iems is a meme

[stark mantle]

yeah you want good sound stages most of all

[random tartan]

For gaming it's not necessary

[stark mantle]

Sound is solid. Went on an airplane, barely even heard any of the noise from the engines

[random tartan]

Not at all

[tawdry gale]

Personally, I havent noticed a difference between gaming on kilobuck hps and 25 usd hps

It doesnt really matter

[stark mantle]

what goes between the headphones and games also is a factor there though

if you plug it into a mobo with a shitty audio codec, absolutely

[tawdry gale]

Just get 9$ dongle

[random tartan]

Eh depends on which one.

[tawdry gale]

Apple one is good

[random tartan]

Sure it's pretty good, but there are definitely better options.

Not for that price though.

[stark mantle]

benefit of headphones over in-ears : People will see you are wearing them and won't try to talk to you while you can't hear them lol

[random tartan]

True.

[tawdry gale]

Benefits of hps, hd6x0 series

[random tartan]

Benefit of in ears is superior quality of you get really good ones.

But that's mostly just needed for professionals

I mean custom ones that fit exactly to your ear.

[stark mantle]

what job do you have?

[tawdry gale]

Some customs sound worse though than their universal counterparts

[honest spruce]

I see a lot of ppl saying sennheiser 560s over beyerdynamic and the other more expensive sennheiser ones for gaming

[tawdry gale]

Eg, a12t

[random tartan]

Depends on which ones

[honest spruce]

They really cheap tho, anyone tried them?

[tawdry gale]

Treble gets too spicy on them

Compared to u12t

[random tartan]

Audio engineer, mostly do mixing and etc at concerts.

[tawdry gale]

Where do u live

[honest spruce]

Norway

[tawdry gale]

Ye get hd560s if u need a hp

[random tartan]

And i use in ears whenever I need to hear everything well. If I can i do it without any headphones or In ears but depends.

[tawdry gale]

Audiophiles spend kilobuck and more on iems for eargasm

Like me

I bought 1.3k usd 1dd recently

Its my dream iem

[random tartan]

I mean my in ears are 2.9k

But like I said I work with them

[tawdry gale]

Which one do u own

[honest spruce]

The moondrop blessings any good?

[tawdry gale]

Outdated

Crin x dusk is good though

[random tartan]

Only just saw your question. Can't give a specific model because they're custom in ears. But they are from Fonique. Here they are a pretty big brand but I've got no idea about the rest of the world since they're from here. (The Netherlands)

But they are the best sounding in ears I have ever had.

[tawdry gale]

Ye never heard of them, my favourite iems are all singaporean brands

[steel escarp]

crin x dusk is not good

it solely relies on hype to sell

[warm scarab]

pretty trash except like dt880

old ass studio jank

[warm scarab]

i like hifiman stuff way more than sennheiser stuff at the +300$ zone but they have bad imaging so while it can do gaming, if you are competitive its not the best choice for gaming

[warm scarab]

open back is generally the better choice given the headphone is executed well

closed backs are very flawed and limited in design so they are very poor price/performance after you leave the 150$ territory

[tawdry gale]

I tried it, its good

[honest spruce]

@warm scarab so what would you choose? what open back headphones for gaming and music?

[warm scarab]

Personally if you don't need peak gaming performance id settle for hifimans and call it a day

Hifimans or sennheisers like 6xx

I personally really don't like them much but a lot of people including some here do so

Also don't buy stuff based on brand, for every good item sennheiser has they have 20 bad ones

[tawdry gale]

I dont like hifiman either

[warm scarab]

I was talking about sennheisers lmao

[tawdry gale]

ye most of sennheiser's headphones are bad

[warm scarab]

If you don't like hifimans and senns at the same time what do you buy at the midfi range

[steel escarp]

DT700/900 pro x is genuinely not bad

[warm scarab]

Or do you just like 6xx and other particular senns

[tawdry gale]

they are mid

[warm scarab]

perhaps but would you rationally buy it over anything else

[steel escarp]

For the price

[warm scarab]

90% of headphones we call shit aren't shit

there are just better alternatives

[tawdry gale]

Id buy ksc75

[warm scarab]

what at 500

[tawdry gale]

azurys

[steel escarp]

Fiio ft1 is giving me headaches unfortunately

Have barely used it in the past few weeks

[warm scarab]

Weird pick

but ok

[tawdry gale]

its decent

[warm scarab]

haven't heard them its just that focal is a weird company

probably shouldn't be biased but yeah

[steel escarp]

Azurys is decent, but imo overpriced

[tawdry gale]

ye id still pick 6x0

[steel escarp]

Should cost 200 max

With the kind of build you get

[tawdry gale]

at least its smoother than the other focal headphones

[lean grove]

Speakers

[lean grove]

Most headphones are bad.

[tawdry gale]

yes

[honest spruce]

ive heard ppl trash talk 6xx over hd560s when it comes to gaming

[warm scarab]

neither is really good for it in particular

[tawdry gale]

headphones dont really matter for gaming, couldnt tell the difference between kilobuck hp and 25 dollar hp in gaming

[warm scarab]

they do

shut up

I use mad imaging headphones