audio-tech

[timid echo]

yh typo

i meant without the a

[steel escarp]

The fiio ft1 sounds vastly better than the hd560s, but the bass it has by default is a bit on the stronger side

If you tone it down you get a headphone that sounds better

[timid echo]

so most of these headphones aren't really plug in and use?

u have to change settings

[lean grove]

equalizer lets you customize them a lot, but is by no means necessary

[timid echo]

they aren't anywhere in the uk

that i see

i tried to search for them and no uk options

yeah i think i'm going with the 560s

[steel escarp]

Most headphones can benefit from adjusting the factory tuning

But you can use them plug and play

[sleek lily]

nils griefs again

[timid echo]

what happened

[sleek lily]

actually that price isnt too bad

but id recommend payign the difference personally

ill give a more detailed comparison between the 2 to help you get an idea

[lean grove]

nothing he simply likes making up nonsense to help him win arguments

[sleek lily]

so, hd560s has a stage id say is about 40% smaller, images are about as good in the side stage but v4 pulls agead in rear imaging by a massive margin and front stage imaging, 560vr gives more of a sense of size to images (id say its literally 100% better there), dynamics id say theyre similar or about the same, the impact and bass id give to he560v4, detail isnt close and id literally say he560v4 is on a different plain of existence in that regard due to being seemingly a better presented and more separated sounding can, for layering (the ability to present different distances such as close or far) id say 560v4 is about 30% better or more accurate and also does a much better job presenting things in that near sense, for timbre id say he560v4 is more comparable to the modern silver screen 6x0 so also not close there (one of the first things I noted about it is how it has insanely good timbre for a cheap planar, as many struggle in that regard). the one thing I will give to hd560s is it has a little more of a harman tuning which most people dont mind, but it also is a bit brighter and harsher

[sleek lily]

ironic

nils dislikes me because I called him out on some dumb claims he made

actually got the specs of a chip amp he was claiming is fine to power he6 with no issues to demonstrate its in a best case soft clipping and worst case hard clipping

also called him out on making the opposite of refined recommendations

like again, recommending 600 blindly to people asking for wide or gaming headphones

just reddit pilled recs

and purposefully bad advice just to support an odd narative of planars all being bad

[lean grove]

who are you trying to convince?

[sleek lily]

im just explaining what you wont

[lean grove]

all your explenations are things you've made up

you're telling your personal story and i have no interest in doing that

[sleek lily]

tbh i have nothing against you personally but i dont like how you give knowingly bad advice to push people to things you want to support

[lean grove]

weird how you have nothing against me personally but keep bringing up things irrelevent to the conversation that happened literally months ago

its quite the obsession

[sleek lily]

because its what he was asking about

[lean grove]

literally nobody asked

[timid echo]

i think overall from what i've seen online

the hd560s

will be more for me

[sleek lily]

its not bad

[lean grove]

happy to hear it

[sleek lily]

again, a lot worse value but its not bad

much much much better than 880 though

[timid echo]

i just ordered them

shouldve payed the extra £4 to get them today

now i gotta wait like 3 days

but it's fine

[cyan granite]

are the logitech g733 or the razer blackshark v2 pro better?

[warm scarab]

there is kind of like 5-10 headphones at most price points in the market

that is worth buying and does something notably good

or all around notably good compared to other stuff

[timid echo]

I went with the hd560s

[warm scarab]

for gaming?

[timid echo]

Nah

Not rlly gaming

[warm scarab]

k

[timid echo]

And if I do take it will be games like phasmophobia

[warm scarab]

according to jackson the revision ruined them but idk

he is weird

[lean grove]

i have people with measurement rigs who didnt find jackson's claims

[warm scarab]

good to know

[lean grove]

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-version-of-sennheiser-hd-560s.40927/page-14#post-2027172

[warm scarab]

1db more at 2.7k

huge

[lean grove]

probably due to the wear on the pads

[elder thistle]

I had assumed that the revision was also using the hd559 earpads

once I got it though, it was clear that it was using a 3rd kind of earpad

to me they have less lower treble and are more midrangey, boomier in the bass, and have more sibilance despite how it may appear on measurements

the treble was frayed and unnatural with lower microdetail

the instrument separation was now similar to or a little less than the dt990 250 ohm

and I honestly wanted to remove them from my head while listening to more intense music because the smearyness was really bad and I was listening to a pile of goup instead of music

[lean grove]

green is the 559 pads

[elder thistle]

that looks about right

in my measurements I level matched stuff so it was more aligned past 4k or so

because when measured that's the form it naturally took volume-wise

there is a large lift of everything between 1k and the bass

the overall appearance with the hd559 earpads is they're boomier and blown out

that upper treble dip is also very real

but

I would rather use an old hd560s with 559 earpads than a new one with any earpads

eq is not bringing back whatever they did to the headphone

it's been cooked

[silent haven]

nils is the king of bad audio recommendations

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026579199655419974/1286751511879356416/vince-mc-mahon-done.gif

[elder thistle]

I don't mean to say it's a big difference in overall resolution

[silent haven]

kid needs to go sit in headphones.com discord or something where he will fit in

[elder thistle]

but it's still the kind one should expect when going from an average $100 headphone to an average $170 headphone

[warm scarab]

yeah nils sucks

[cedar knot]

Who’s a good audio recommendation youtuber? Also I figured out what imma do imma get app 2 for everything except for gaming and inexpensive iems for gaming

[molten lotus]

What would be the best headphones for around £50?

[warm scarab]

idk honestly

i stopped following them i get my info directly from people

[hot halo]

idk if this is the place to ask but any recommendations on how to make or edit music? i really like creepy atmospheric / horror music but theres not alot in my tastes.

[warm scarab]

yeah kind of not the place the ask

this is abouty audio equipment and you want mastering advice

completely different fields

google stuff like "music making discord" etc and you'll probably find a lot of servers

[somber shuttle]

Took a good photo of my chain.

[tired crown]

so long story short i got a q2u today and its shit but im looking for a diffrent mic with good noise cancelling for about $100 i already have an interface

[haughty girder]

what makes the q2u bad?

[tired crown]

it takes absolute max gain to be able to actually hear my voice while im eating the mic and talking loudly and at that gain it struggles to pick up my voice over the fans in my room

[haughty girder]

show a picture of your setup

q2u as a dynamic microphone is more reliable on mic technique

have it at the corner of your mouth about 10cm away and give it a test

Also for the record: most mics do not "noise cancel"

for that, you should use software like Nvidia broadcast

[tired crown]

dont you need an nvidea card to use that

[haughty girder]

Nvidia broadcast yes, I believe AMD has an equivalent

also, what interface?

[tired crown]

minifuse 1

[haughty girder]

Alright

what is windows volume set to

[tired crown]

100%

[haughty girder]

right click and change to db

[tired crown]

where

[haughty girder]

wait are you in control panel or settings

[tired crown]

if i were to return this for a diffrent mic would i have to be this close?

[tired crown]

setting

[haughty girder]

If you get close to the mic does it get to a decent volume?

[haughty girder]

yes

[tired crown]

yes but it sounds shit

[haughty girder]

So there's this concept called signal to noise ratio

Your voice is the signal

everything else is noise

the higher the signal compared to noise, the better

that means the closer to the mic you are, the better

if you hear the PC fans more than your own voice

[tired crown]

here would you like an audio test of it?

[haughty girder]

either you're speaking very quietly

[haughty girder]

Sure

[haughty girder]

sounds fine to me tbh

[tired crown]

it sounds worse than my $30 fifine mic.....

[haughty girder]

Send a recording of that one?

[tired crown]

....

one sec

[haughty girder]

like it sounds like a q2u to me

I've never been a big fan of that mic - I have a lower voice and prefer the atr2100x

But I daily drive an at2020 just because it hasn't failed me in the better part of a decade

[tired crown]

it sounds almost pixlily

what would you reccomend for about $120 or less not including interface

[haughty girder]

wait what's your sample rate in windows?

[tired crown]

how do i see that

this?

[haughty girder]

drop that to 16bit44.1hz

[haughty girder]

yes that

[tired crown]

what does that help

[tired crown]

sounds alot worse

[haughty girder]

the setting sounds worse? or you think it would sound worse

[tired crown]

i think it sounds worse

i tryed it

[haughty girder]

What headphones?

or speakers?

[tired crown]

truthear reds

[haughty girder]

either something is broken or it's placebo

the difference between 44.1khz and anything higher is practically imperceptible to the human ear under normal circumstances

[sleek lily]

Nice

V1 or v2

[timid echo]

Is it true that the hd560s has problems with sound leakage?

[quick oxide]

Hello, could someone help and told me if my MH755 is fake? ( I've found an sbh20 open box) Thank you very much

[umbral charm]

I know it's not alot but anyone know what the best sound bar to get with £30?

For my dad but not really into audio tech so not sure. He said he don't wanna spend 100 or more and doesn't know what the difference will be with a budget of £30-50

[warm scarab]

I mean its an open back

[umbral charm]

He also doesn't mind used 🙂

[umbral charm]

Also probably expected but it's for a tv

[warm scarab]

see if you can find used edifier 1280s

[timid echo]

Will it be that bad?

Like if I’m listening to music will someone close to me be able to hear it or nah

If it’s not that loud

[warm scarab]

if they are in the same room a bit

play some music through your headphones at a normal volume

then put them on the desk

it should be a bit less than that

[placid swift]

sound from my pc is getting picked up when my mic is muted how comes?

[somber shuttle]

Stealths

[steel escarp]

its time to permanently quit audio, I have had my left and right channel from my dac into my amp swapped around for a month without noticing

[umbral charm]

Is there anything else? Not sure if he's able to fit speakers.

Or was that a recommendation for someone else 😂

[warm scarab]

i recommended speakers because they are generally better

soundbars can be equivalent to speakers but they are significantly lower in price/performance ratio

[umbral charm]

I see, I'll have a look I guess. You recommended the 1280s but when I googled I only saw 1280t

So, he has surround sound speakers but said theyre like hifi speakers w/ 2 wires and dont fit his tv.

Thats the exact one he has he said

[warm scarab]

-s as in plurification suffix

[warm scarab]

your tv has no audio output?

[umbral charm]

Oh I see so it is the 1280t 😂

[umbral charm]

Im not sure what he was saying, I cant check for him cos Im far from home lmao

[warm scarab]

he can connect that system to the tv im 99% sure

unless there are broken sockets

it has a standard headphone jack input

and optical input if that is unavailable

[umbral charm]

When he said hes not sure hje sent a pic of 2 wires for reference im assuming

[warm scarab]

The speaker wires go into the receiver

And the audio of the television goes into the receiver

You aren't supposed to directly connect passive speakers to the tv

Download that systems manual from the internet and read it

[umbral charm]

Ok so he said he just wants the speakers not the blue ray player or some shit

He said hes gonna pull em out of the garage and have a look so Ill lyk what he struggles with 😂

[warm scarab]

i mean thats literally the single component all the shit connects to

its like saying i only want the cars wheels not the engine

[plush bridge]

So I own the Steelseries arctis nova 7 wireless headset and as many people know, the microphone is NOT good. So I'm interested in buying a good microphone for basically just gaming and calling with friends and I'd like if it would be around $50. Any suggestions?

[warm scarab]

fifine t669

[umbral charm]

Im just saying what he's saying. I'm not there to look at it so I haven't got a clue

[plush bridge]

Any personal experience?

[warm scarab]

its a mic mate

google fifine t669 demo

listen to it

[plush bridge]

watching a youtube video on it rn

[umbral charm]

He wants to connect the speakers directly to the tv but the wires he has are connectors that go from the blu ray then its a wire that goes into the speakers (I think?)

[warm scarab]

thats how home theaters work yes

you cant directly plug in the speakers

not unless something seconds as a receiver

[steel escarp]

huh ifi fixed their volume knob imbalance on their zen dac v3?

I think GadgetryTech is straight up lying

he is

[timid echo]

@warm scarab i just got the hd560's

[warm scarab]

give it a day

[timid echo]

i thought at first they sounded worse than my arias but they do sound better

[warm scarab]

yeah

[timid echo]

theyre nothing special atm

i feel like theyre just

ehhh

[warm scarab]

its normal

[timid echo]

theyre comfortable though

[warm scarab]

give it a day or two

you will start to pick out and notice the larger differences with use

[timid echo]

why does audio sound scratchy

on them

on songs with a lot of bass

it sounds scratchy like

idk how to explain

[warm scarab]

im not sure what you mean either

like sharp?

[timid echo]

like

[warm scarab]

sibilant?

[timid echo]

staticy

idk

[warm scarab]

🤔

[lean grove]

Might be your motherboard?

[timid echo]

could be but idk if it actually is static

[warm scarab]

do you mean literal static

[lean grove]

Why would he lie about that?

[warm scarab]

or staticy sound

[timid echo]

sound

[warm scarab]

idk wtf staticy sound means but

[warm scarab]

try a different track

one possibility is your dac/amp shuts off when not in use

so you only hear the static when there is playback happening

[timid echo]

i don't have an amp

[warm scarab]

you have one in your motherboard

[timid echo]

ohh

yeah

i dont have a seperate one though

so i just use it from the motherboard

[warm scarab]

yeah dw about it

https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/

go here

set the volume to like 1%

[timid echo]

i feel like these will be good for editing though

[warm scarab]

and see if you hear statifc

[timid echo]

very balanced sound

good for making vids

[timid echo]

alright

no static

what hz do i play at?

[lean grove]

Any

[timid echo]

no static on any

[lean grove]

Just sweep through it

[timid echo]

it sounds really clear though

it might have just been the song i put any random one

[warm scarab]

doesn't sound like there is any issue

just keep using it for now

[timid echo]

alright

thanks

they're not bad so far

i dont mind the audio leakage as i'm only gonna be using them on my pc anyway

[steel escarp]

Its the same volume pod. Even ifi said this in the headfi thread

Tho the severity of the imbalance at lower volumes varies per unit a bit.

Its really bad with my zen can

Same with the hipdac 2 I owned

And zen dac v2 as well

And zen dac signature v2

[timid echo]

my arias were also wayyyy louder but it's not an issue

[steel escarp]

I owned 4 ifi products, they all had this issue

[warm scarab]

yeah i mean they are iems

they are like 122dB

/mw i think

idk it doesnt say

anyhow you aren't getting a lot of headphones that are as sensitive or loud as arias are

[timid echo]

yeah i like the audio level

i'm not gonna be using them at full anyway

[lean grove]

Maybe he just got a golden unit.

[steel escarp]

Ifi did send it to him

[lean grove]

I think that's more likely than him lying. He's pointed out QC issues and build problems in the past.

[steel escarp]

I didn't say he intentionally lied

tho he did say he was using hd650

which is like 300 ohms

so I doubt the volume would be loud enough below 11 o'clock for him to easily tell a channel imbalance

[lean grove]

?

[steel escarp]

it seems I did say that

mb

[lean grove]

I know he'll forgive you 🙂

[steel escarp]

I still thing he didn't test it properly

[lean grove]

You should send him a message and ask him.

Or leave a comment.

[steel escarp]

I got more productive things to do than to explain to a tech youtuber that they are wrong

[white gate]

Keep things civil guys

[lean grove]

From talking with him he's actually a pretty reasonable guy. I've sent him a few notes myself.

[steel escarp]

Maybe if I get bored I will

[tired crown]

So

I ordered a quadcast 2 s

I’m so excited

[unique wind]

nice bossman

[steel escarp]

@unique wind did you try fiio ft1 yet

[unique wind]

nah dood i don’t intend to

[lean grove]

Michaels saving for lcd-5

[tired crown]

bruh $4500 headphones???

gotta be a scam

[steel escarp]

LCD-5 is okay

[warm scarab]

michael is saving for a second hand lcd-r

[steel escarp]

nyvo sold his quite a while ago

for $2700

serial number 1

[warm scarab]

he is the only person I know that owns it lmao

[steel escarp]

owned

[warm scarab]

well was ig

[steel escarp]

LCD-5 sounds like nothing really

no peaks

just straight up music

too bad audeze makes the most uncomfortable headphone straps on the planet and the headphones make your neck sore

[lean grove]

Need a thicker neck

And some balloons

[steel escarp]

just connect it to the ceiling via an elastic band

to relief weight

ngl, I get why people would enjoy the sound of lcd-5, its relaxing to listen to on the right chain

[lean grove]

I just think it's ridiculous to buy a $4500 headphone with the expectation to EQ it.

Where's that money going if you're spending no money on tuning

[warm scarab]

they have weird driver tensioning

which is why most of their units die in 1 week

but in return it distorts in a weird way in bass that's intended

which is kind of unique to audeze

but its really fucking expensive for something that has 1 gimmick

[tired crown]

The company’s pockets

[unique wind]

i dont like wearing headphones

ive been exclusively using my truthear nova iems at my desk for like 8 months now

[tired crown]

lol

i only use my truthear reds

wanna get the novas at some point

[molten lotus]

hey guys i was just wondering if anybody knows of a way to playback all audio u hear in a game back to the person

[tired crown]

Wdym

Like can you give an example

[midnight widget]

Definitely dont need it but hey i gotta take up a 5’x7’ desk somehow

[molten lotus]

so like

imagine you're in a game and people are able to join vc and talk

is it possible to make them hear your game audio, as well as their voice

so anytime that they speak, they hear themselves speak

[tired crown]

No but why the hell would you want to do that

I mean you can put the game on speakers then they may hear it through your mic?

[warm scarab]

yes

[molten lotus]

because

it may be useful sometime

[molten lotus]

got any steps bro?

[tired crown]

for being an asshole?

[molten lotus]

to be a bigger asshole

[tired crown]

ah yeah

[molten lotus]

why waste energy talking to someone, when u can become a brick wall

[tired crown]

bros never heard the term 2 wrongs dont make a right

well i would tell you but i aint gonna help you become an asshole

just ignore someone

[molten lotus]

i've set it up like 90% of the way anyways using voicemeter

just need to figure out why its not playing back the in-game audio, but it does play everything else back

[warm scarab]

voicemeter

[warm scarab]

output game audio to virtual cable

output virtual cable to headphones via voicemeeter

and also your voicemeeter output for streaming it to friends

[warm scarab]

you may not be able to do this

it can create like an infinite loop

[molten lotus]

I’m gonna try it when I get home but it became pretty complicated towards the end lol

Appreciate it

[warm scarab]

use voicemeeter potato maybe

[molten lotus]

Yup

More routing options

[warm scarab]

also ill give you the disclaimer now

one day for no reason voicemeeter will break

for no apparent reason

and you will be in troubleshooting hell with a possible format

[molten lotus]

Lol that’s alright, I’ve had it break on me before but nothing too crazy

[warm scarab]

i have had to format twice because it permanently sapped my audio drivers

generally doesn't happen and windows audio drivers are to blame mostly

but its not a matter of if, its a matter of when

[sterile widget]

Anyone here have an experience with the Meze Liric 1 or 2?

Planning on snatching me a pair in the future

[uneven tendon]

anyone have experience with using a goxlr

[tired crown]

Don’t buy it

They don’t work anymore

[slender otter]

meldyne is fun

[prime robin]

What kind of XLR mic should I get? I'm getting HD560s and kinda want something that resembles the SM7B aesthetic wise

[haughty girder]

Q9u, or build your own

[steel escarp]

I would get the original one over the newer one

[lean grove]

Would you rather have a meze liric or $1850 and a fiio ft-1

[steel escarp]

the value proposition of the liric next to the ft1 is ridiculously bad

if ft1 costs 160 EUR, then liric's sound would be 450 EUR at best

[lean grove]

Interesting

[steel escarp]

I really like the liric 1 for piano music

if you ever get the chance to listen to one, play some piano music on it. the emphasis on the 1k region and tactile bass makes it a delight

[lean grove]

I have heard a liric 1 at canjam.

I liked it quite a bit but I wouldn't pay $2000 for it.

$450 I would. I think.

[fringe root]

If my TV only has Toslink audio out, and I want to run it into a Apple Express with 3.5-mm audio minijack for analog or optical digital sound, what kind of cable should I look for?

[sleek lily]

I'm stuck in a weird position where the only remaining differences between my he6 clone and the original he6 6 screw shouldn't actually affect sound at all but at the same time, if it sounded like my he6 clone sounds, then it's drastically overhyped.

Like I don't dislike it

But it's not nearly the best planar I've heard

It's just kinda slightly above what id consider a good midpoint

[lean grove]

You don't need anything too fancy. But as short as you can get away with for optical is best.

[fringe root]

looks like I need a Toslink to Mini-Toslink cable (didn't remember mini toslink was a thing) or a toslink cable and a toslink to mini-toslink adapter.

Anyone have any brand recommendations or are they all the same?

[lean grove]

Amazon basics and monoprice are what I've used.

[fringe root]

ok cool

[warm scarab]

nils eats babies btw

[lean grove]

Klaus doesn't want you to know that the only reason he eats exclusively at restaurants that offer outdoor dining is so that he can go underneath the wooden patio and pick and eat all the French fries that fall between the floorboards

[tired crown]

I’m so excited for my mic to arrive

It gets here Thursday or Friday

[sterile widget]

@steel escarp doesn’t the liric 2 have better bass?

Also the liric 1 has a really cool profile to it

[steel escarp]

honestly too much unit variation

so hard to compare

[sterile widget]

Did you buy the boom mic with it?

[steel escarp]

I don't like overly crisp sounding microphones

but I don't own liric. I just spent time with it in the audio showroom

[prime robin]

Build my own? How would I do,thatt

[haughty girder]

https://darksideofthemic.co.uk/post/649454811868217344/blog-turning-the-the-xm8500-into-a-mini-sm7b

[hot marsh]

I need a new pair of headphones for gaming, my cloud 2s are falling apart

Im looking at a budget of about 300 usd, which would include the headphones and a dac if needed

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/eOXCEsTyv7s

[hot marsh]

._.

I do not trust a rando yter

[lean grove]

Fair enough. I still think that his list is comprehensive enough to be worth watching.

Audeze Maxwell and drop pc38X are two very good recommendations so if you don't wanna waste your time with a 30 minute video, those would be good options.

[steel escarp]

don't buy audeze maxwell

fiio ft1 is like 4x better

[elder thistle]

what kind of games? is there anything you want the headphones to do well (spaciousness, direction of sounds, not missing sound cues, blending stuff together, contrast between gentle and aggressive sounds etc.)

do they need to block out noise, get really loud, and would you be able to use free eq software to do things like boost the bass

[hot marsh]

I mostly play story games lol

Closed back please

[unique wind]

completely different category of product big boss

[steel escarp]

literally put a mic on it

and done

still cheaper than maxwell

[haughty girder]

wireless?

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/snip-snip-the-van-colin-meaney-gif-14721577

[timid echo]

i've been using the hd560's and i feel like they aren't as good as people describe

not sure though

i still have time to return them if i need

[warm scarab]

modmic

[warm scarab]

cringe

[warm scarab]

if you dont like them then you dont like them

[hot marsh]

there are other people in my house

[warm scarab]

its a headphone not a speaker

[timid echo]

but i dont know what it is that i dont like

[haughty girder]

they were saying that the Intel cooler mount is rectangle not a square... despite lga1700 being 78x78mm

[warm scarab]

well for now just use them for another day or two

if you still don't like it

[haughty girder]

Selene is just a lil goofy like that

[warm scarab]

return it and buy a planar maybe

or the new fiio thingy

that may be your alley

[hot marsh]

i dont want to be hearing the other people in my house

[timid echo]

alright

[supple robin]

i want

however their is a difference between having the funds for something and actually being able to afford something

[steel escarp]

fiio ft1 is like 160 euros

that is bare minimum money for a headphone

[warm scarab]

posh kid mindset

[elder thistle]

is it fast

[lean grove]

It used a paper driver.

[elder thistle]

I don't really know what that entails or if it has any trends at all

my calSE has really really high distortion but otherwise nice bass impact

haven't found reviews yet talking significantly about things that aren't the bass

if someone wants impactful and all the other buzzwords bass they merely need an mc450 with eq or eq+pads

but what about the treble on the ft1

what happens when it gets hit with metal

music

or different games like hunt, titanfall 2, cs2, tomb raider idk

[lean grove]

It doesn't, as far as I know. I know paper tweeters on old speakers kinda suck.

[fossil zinc]

The Fiio ft1 is comes close to zmf boken in sound doesn’t beat it but at 1300 less a great deal

[lean grove]

How close?

[fossil zinc]

Much closer than 1300 dollars should be but zmf is more like jewelry

It what all the reviewers are saying kinda calling them a giant killer

[lean grove]

I can see the similarities.

[fossil zinc]

Gonna buy a pair in a week or 2

[lean grove]

I'm tempted just because I want a closed back. But I don't need more headphones.

Decisions decisions

[fossil zinc]

They have to be better than sundaras closed lol

My current

[lean grove]

What made you buy the sundara closed?

I thought they were universally panned

[timid echo]

damn after using the hd560s for a day or 2 now, I plugged in my arias just now

and the arias actually sound better

that is crazy

and they were half the price

[elder thistle]

the new hd560s is more hazy in the treble and worse with busy music than it's older counterpart

[timid echo]

apparently it's been proved to not be true

and it's the same

not sure though

[elder thistle]

audio in terms of reviewing headphones/speakers is only as useful as the observations someone makes of their sound

as for frequency response, they're a little different but not a lot

I haven't used or measured more than 1 unit of each, but others have measured their pairs and it does form subtle trends

the actual impact on sound from whatever changes sennheiser made aside from frequency response is way bigger

[timid echo]

i still can't fully tell if my arias actually sound better but it seems like it

i tried them side by side

might be a placebo effect or smthing

but not sure

[elder thistle]

went from being a fair $170 offering in terms of instrument separation and resolution, to a fair $120 one that costs $60 extra anyways

[timid echo]

should i return them?

i dont wanna return them and get different ones just for them to end up being even worse

[elder thistle]

only once you've determined what you like / don't like

it's a good opportunity at least

I'd start by isolating specific parts of music that best demonstrate the hd560s sounding worse

then trying to listen to 1 instrument at a time in that part, if possible

at that point I could listen to the same parts on my hd560s and kind of assess what it's asking the headphone to do (because I have other headphones as more accurate references)

hopefully

and if that works, I should be able to name some headphone models that seem to do these things better

that would still be partially based on my own preferences though

[warm scarab]

you can always experiment

buy the hd560s again if you feel like you want them back

try he400se if you want the carbon opposite of hd560s

or the new fiio ft1

[elder thistle]

lots of options yes

[sleek lily]

Idk, most people seem to have a very broad definition of proved not to be true for revisions or variants in audio. I do a lot of work matching material densities and foams to recreate and restore vintage headphones and I've had countless people talk about how hd6x0 revisions have been proven not to change sound and I've found they measurably do but also that within revisions there are sub revisions of say silver screen baffles and that there are variants in the rear foam density used for example. Half the audio community would argue this is a proven fact not to be the case when I can measurably prove both things to be the case on the physical and auditory side.

Most of the audio hobby is made up of people who kinda just rely on he said she said rather than measurable fact or an understanding on things at a physical level to make their facts

A lot of it I've also noticed comes down to people wanting to believe what they have is special or that everything is the same so that they can imagine they can speak on more things than they have experienced.

[prime robin]

No longer probably need a Mic for now- do yall have any good headsets for competitive gaming- budget of around £200 +/- £50

[hot marsh]

Headsets have mics- do you mean just headphones?

[prime robin]

No, I need a mic on the headset, I was on about stand alone mics earlier 😭

[hot marsh]

A mic on the headset is so much worse...

[prime robin]

I know

But the method I had planned for using a mic and headphones on xbox Series X won't work without a pc

[hot marsh]

Theres like 2 good headsets that i know of lol

Cloud 2s and audeze maxwells

Lol

Headsets are generally pretty shit tho

[formal needle]

is it fine to run at the highest sample rate that my device is able to run?

[white gate]

Generally you'd want to keep it set to 48khz

[lean grove]

IEMs are crazy value for audio quality. They are much easier to tune and manufacture than headphones.

so you can get $20 iems that compete with $200 headphones

[timid echo]

That’s the only good thing about them

Imo they’re uncomfortable asf

[lean grove]

im with you there

I wish i could wear my iems longer

[formal needle]

Ooo okay ill set that.. i put it all the way at the highest and it keeps crackling when anyone screams

[formal needle]

i got a pair of 150 dollar iem that can beat my 1.5k dollar iem setup

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[formal needle]

but it lacks bass

thats the only thing its losing by but interms of clarity its just the best

because planar magnetic drives

[prime robin]

okay I've narrowed it to two options:

1. Pc38x headset ($180)

Or

2. Get the sennheiser 560s and a podmic uni 2 with a splitter. ($270)

[abstract imp]

Hd 800s heh

[prime robin]

Huh?

[elder thistle]

pc38x and hd560s are pretty close these days

hd560s has more dynamic mids, which can add realism to singers. the soundstage is also wider

pc38x now has slightly tighter sounding bass, and smoother and slightly more defined treble, helping with overall detail and analytical ability

[prime robin]

What about the mics?

[elder thistle]

uhh the pc38x mic is ok imo, at least plenty understandable for voice chat

it's not a true microphone of course

recently I was explaining to someone in another server why I thought the pc38x made sense for valorant but less sense for cs2

the games use different kinds of hrtf modelling (surround sound audio engine)

valorant uses a more generic/simpler audio engine that relies on the strong rear imaging (telling someone a sound is behind them instead of in front of them) of some conventional closed back headsets with the assumption that the headset/earshape combination has taken care of this, and it also relies on muffling sounds sharply based on distance

the pc38x will generally perform strongly with ensuring you can tell a sound is behind you instead of in front

and it's smooth frequency response is helpful for the distance thing (though free eq software will do this for just about any headphone)

cs2 has a more complicated engine that helps more headphones rear image enough, and it portrays distance in a way that doesn't depend on frequency response as much

so the pc38x falls victim to more analytical and resolving headphones like the mc450 and even k702

k702 can't have an attached mic unless it's an expensive modmic, but the mc450 can use a v-moda boompro mic/cable

[abstract imp]

Are there any good amp and dacs with screens like fiios that have android or am I better off sticking with my topping stack, Like ik the a90d d90 III is good but fiios android dac amp combo intrigues me

[lean grove]

the only thing that having android on a dac gets you is the ability to play music without being connected to a PC

what you can also do is just buy a streamer and plug it into your D90

[sleek lily]

Get he560v4 open box on hifiman site. It's a huge upgrade from hd560s and it'll be cheaper and a bigger upgrade from 38x

[sleek lily]

You could probably get a really cheap phone to hook up with a USB c splitter for power and signal port so you don't have to constantly recharge it

@prime robin unless there is a very specific sound you're looking for

Cause both hd560s and he560v4 are generalist headphones. The v4 just happens to be the better generalist can by a big margin, but you can outdo both in some cases if you're trying to min max for a specific sound or use.

For example, I'd probably say the deva is on par with the v4 or better for gaming and much better than 560s for gaming and can be found for $99

[elder thistle]

isn't the he560v4 3x more expensive or something

I've never seen it at $180 in any condition

[sleek lily]

It's $160 open box

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he560-v4.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjNS3BhChARIsAOxBM6recxeBgOsZJAcTqXu-4PekijLNJeik_gTY5oanL98ViMXl0D5ssqIaAhOcEALw_wcB

It's basically an he560v1 stealth

[elder thistle]

mega discount if that headphone was competitive at $900

[sleek lily]

Tbh, as a generalist it makes sense in $800 even

Isn't particularly good at anything at that price but it's still well rounded for that price

[elder thistle]

hm

[sleek lily]

It's kinda like a baby baby he1000. Does everything pretty well and has really good timbre for a planar but can easily be outdone in its price for most individual sounds someone might look for alone

But in its current price I'd have to really really min max to find something better

Like you give up everything but here is one thing this other can will do better

[elder thistle]

that is the strong power of a well-rounded headphone

[sleek lily]

It's timbre imo is it's most impressive part though

Timbre on par with the silver screen 6x0

A bit worse than the old black silk versions though

[elder thistle]

yeah I don't like the timbre of the he400se or edition xs

treble's absolutely smashed

[sleek lily]

I still need to try edition xs but from how I've heard it compared with Ananda 560v4 is probably better

[elder thistle]

the 3 things that stood out to me were how visceral and obvious the soundstage was, how different instruments were very obviously placed separately in 3d space, and how low the microdetail was across the board

the soundstage itself wasn't more than 4 feet to my ears

pretty bad timbre but I expected that going in

everything else I would honestly say is in the ballpark of the dt880 600R

even transients

granted I've only amped it from a magni 3 heresy and random sources like my phone or motu m4 so far

not noticing any differences between them

$270 new seems reasonable given how unique it sounds compared to the other headphones I've tried

I would never pay $500

and I'm someone who values techs instead of tone or timbre

[willow cliff]

Hello, good morning. A little background: i have sony wh 1000 xm4 which i bought for 500$ and im using them solely as pc sound system with wire. I am searching for something half the price, or below half the price, that is extremely well rated, that works with rain outside, and that allow me to take them anywhere. I bumped on these skull candy crush, but a MUST for me, is that i need noise cancellation, extremely good voice sound while talking with the headphones through wireless, and overall comfort. Thank you all for giving me your two cents on what has worked for you. I will take every single suggestion.
P.S. (Bose Headphones are appealing for that matter, but big buck. Should i wait for october 8-9 amazon amazing deals instead? Imagine -20,30% off )
Skullcandy Hesh Headphones. https://a.co/d/1kULtG3

[steel escarp]

airpods pro 2 have the best audio passthrough I have ever heard, it almost sounds natural

they are even being used as hearing aids

[willow cliff]

no IEM's

they fall off from my ears the second i plug them in

lowkey no cap

only headphones

and they have to have the best mic the world has ever seen

i want ppl to hear me when i talk on phone crystal clear

in a busy environment

[elder thistle]

the only hope for that is ai based noise suppression

probably to a degree that doesnt currently exist if you also want crystal clear speech

[dark storm]

A bandaid on the indirectly caused early hearing loss epidemic but yeah.

[steel escarp]

airpods pro 2 have human ear shaped tips

not round

they fit good

[dark storm]

Oh ok

Sick

[prime robin]

Do they work in console (xbox)

That and mic meeded

[low remnant]

any good IEMs up to $125 (or 5000 UAH)?, buying in ukraine and no shipping from abroad

[gentle quiver]

turns out making my sub rn is too much effort so is the speedwoofer still worth it for the price even with shipping or is there something better for £364

[timid echo]

holyyy shit these hd560s may as well be speakers

someone recommend me some good closed backs

fuck open back

left a vid playing at not even that much volume and could hear it from the headphones in another room

[haughty girder]

...

you had two drivers not sealed against anything

a headphone at 70db is a headphone at 70db regardless of what it is

open back and closed back only changes how much sound leaks once it's on your head

[timid echo]

that's what i mean

whats playing can be heard by others

when its on my head too

[gentle quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-scott-the-woz-gif-26471357

[steel escarp]

bro discovers open backs are open

[timid echo]

read the message properly

i knew they were open backs

i just dont like them

[steel escarp]

your issue being the sound leaking out

if you want closed backs, get fiio ft1

its pretty good

[timid echo]

u think they will sound better than the hd560s too?

[steel escarp]

I have not heard the 560

[timid echo]

they dont even sound that good

[steel escarp]

Only the supposedly higher end models such as hd650 and hd800s

I love how the ft1 sounds

Quite some bass

[timid echo]

do u think they will be good for video editing

in terms of getting sound effects good

and not too loud for example

[steel escarp]

If you EQ them

Then sure

[timid echo]

dk how to do that lol

how does it work?

[steel escarp]

I don't have time to explain that

[spark thistle]

does the build have any crackling? what is the pad comfort like?

[steel escarp]

Not when it's on your head. The pads are comfortable. The part that touches your head is nylon which is arguably the best choice in terms of comfort and not getting hot

The pads are big enough on the inside. Tho not the largest

It touches one of my ears a bit

[spark thistle]

sounds like a great headphone for the price the closed back market has been stagnant for ages and ages

Chinese companies moving into the game is a really good move

[lean grove]

the FT-1's seem to have a lot of bass. so for editing videos, it might make you reduce bass to compensate. or maybe it will be a good thing and you'll be able to really hear stuff like people bumping a microphone or w/e

[elder thistle]

if you mix the bass based on how similar content from other people sounds on the headphones, it won't be a problem

that is the basis of headphone mixing

we don't really know what you liked or disliked in the hd560s, so the fiio ft1 has an equal chance of being better or worse

personally I am a fan of the AT m50x when it comes to closed backs for mixing and editing

they don't seem to work for everyone, but to me they're more resolving and controlled sounding than the hd560s, minus the bass

[haughty girder]

M50x?

They aren't resolving.

[elder thistle]

sure are for me

the microdetail though is probably the most insane part

similar to neumann ndh20 in picking up on the absolute quietest sounds and to some extent textures

exceeding hd600, mc450, hd560s a lot, he400se or edition xs to the point of obliteration

aside from that I would place it just a little behind the hd600 or 6xx in overall instrument separation and resolution

[steel escarp]

You're the first person I know who calls the ndh20 resolving

I mean, don't get me wrong. At some point I thought dt770 was a really good headphone. Until I heard better.

[molten lotus]

Should I get fifine am8 or k688?

I can get am8 20$ cheaper in my country

[molten lotus]

AM8, I've got it here and it's really good quality for the price

[sharp notch]

Hi so I ordered the most expensive headphones I have ever had and was wondering if I should get a dac or amp or stick with my rodecaster duo?

[molten lotus]

What you got atm?

ohhh\

[sharp notch]

U think the audeze mm100 will be fine with rodecaster duo or nah

[molten lotus]

They're only 16ohm so fairly easy to drive, I reckon it would be fine

[sharp notch]

I just want crisp audio

No interference

[steel escarp]

mm-100 is really easy to drive. wouldn't get much more than a dongle dac

stay away from ifi stuff

[sharp notch]

Is the rodecaster duo a dac and amp?

[steel escarp]

why would you get a funny looking mixing board

[sharp notch]

I already have it lol

I sorta hate it and wanna get something better

[steel escarp]

@sharp notch are you in the US or EU

[sharp notch]

AU

I tried using my iems with the rodecaster and I got white noise I hate this dac

[steel escarp]

are there import taxes when ordering something from the US?

[sharp notch]

Um

Idk I'm sure I can get it here

What u thinking

I need a dac/amp combo that can also power a XLR mic

Best clarity possible with no interference that's not tooooo expensive

[steel escarp]

schiit magni with the dac chip in it

[steel escarp]

that is an interface

motu m2

in that case

its the best measuring interface for its price class

[sharp notch]

Is an interface same as dac and amp?

Sorry I'm clueless when it comes to audio

[sharp notch]

Would that be worse than a dac/amp?

[steel escarp]

it doesn't have that much power to drive harder to drive headphones

but yours is easy to drive

and the dac section is pretty good too

[sharp notch]

Is it better than my rodecaster duo? Will I notice a difference?

[steel escarp]

the specifications of the rodecaster duo don't tell that much

hard to tell

[sharp notch]

?

O

[steel escarp]

they don't list any useful measurmenets that I can use to compare them

but I can guarentee that motu m2 doesn't have background noise

[sharp notch]

What measurements?

[steel escarp]

total distortion for example

[sharp notch]

So is the motul the best audio interface?

[low remnant]

nevermind, what are some good sound quality (preferably the high end ones) and not absurdly expensive IEMs?

[sharp notch]

U guys think the audeze mm100 will be good for gaming/music listening

[warm scarab]

truthear reds

[steel escarp]

huh wait how did I think dt880 was ever good

next to fiio ft1

oh it was the 5dB bass boost I added with EQ that made it sound good

yeah no even without bass boost, fiio ft1 just outresolves it

[low remnant]

How do they compare to something like moondrop blessing 3?

[warm scarab]

ive not heard the blessing 3

its better than blessing 2 dusk though

[steel escarp]

people have been complaining about blessing 3 lacking a bit of body

[elder thistle]

I've still tried a lot of things at this point

as far as instrument separation goes the ndh20 absolutely unbeatable

makes the edition xs, hd600, mc450, dt880 600r etc. look like a joke

and they really are all jokes when it comes to how this all adds up and compares to the ndh20 in music production and mixing

[warm scarab]

do you have an amplifier

[elder thistle]

I've talked to a couple people who have them and they generally agree with what I'm hearing

ye a couple amps

[warm scarab]

music production and hifi is different

[warm scarab]

which im curious

[elder thistle]

big technics su-z760, schiit magni 3 heresy, motu m4's output, douk u3

I imagine the u3 wouldn't cut it

m4 sounds the same as the heresy until current limiting kicks in

in music production, resolution is very important

and I'm saying that's what the ndh20 has

though I'd still put it above the hd600 in dynamics, and the timbre is at least close

[gentle quiver]

?<

[stone quartz]

Are four 10 inch subwoofers better than two 12 inch ones?

[feral lion]

So I don't have much experience with different headphones and earbuds but I use currently Bose quiet comfort ultra headphones and was interested in switching to earbuds. I was considering Galaxy bud 3 pros, airpod pros, Bose earbuds, and wired earbuds. Would anything even come close to my current headphones?

[lean grove]

Depends but having more subs can help cancel out room modes and have a more even bass response.

Under the right circumstances one 10" sub can be better than two 12"

[hot marsh]

No monitor chat :(

[stone quartz]

I found these dual 10 inch ones manufactured by a local company and thought maybe laying two side by side under my projector screen might be decent

Like they do at festivals and concerts, but on a much smaller scale

[lean grove]

oh. yeah idk. they look pretty slick. i cant really tell you how good they're gonna be unless they have the right specs listed on their page.

the F3 and max SPL would be useful

[hot marsh]

https://bkelectronics.co.uk/Double-Gem-Black

[stone quartz]

The Monolith Plus looks like it might be a better choice, actually https://bkelectronics.co.uk/Subwoofers/Monolith-Plus-DF/Monolith-Plus-DF-Black-Ash

Down to 20Hz at -3dB

And a much better looking driver

[dusk saddle]

anyone have recommendations for a 2.1 PC speaker system with a max of USD $200?

[deep ridge]

Hey, does anyone here perhaps own a SM7b microphone or better that could give me some advice?

[elder thistle]

basically your pick of $100 speakers and $100 subwoofer

speakers such as edifier mr4 or rt1280t, presonus eris e3.5, mackie cr3x, behringer truth 3.5, a few others

depends on preferences and use case as always

I had the acoustic audio psw-6 for <$100 subwoofers, great fit for small speakers in an untreated room

but that's old and there's plenty of others now

cables must be purchased to link 2.0 speakers to a sub, expect $10-20

also it feels weird for me to say it, but these small 3.5" speakers aren't always considered small by the average citizen

fitting them under a monitor for example is a tough requirement and will require raising the monitor and perhaps putting the speakers sideways (which is fine)

find 6" of clearance and you're good

[simple coyote]

Hey anyone have opinions on JBL Live 660 NC? i've had a tune 510,it was alright,it's just getting wore out,and i really want to try noise cancellation out,and to EQ it,that's the most important feature of it all🙃

[jade pasture]

These rather old wired Sennheiser hd415 headphones sound soooooo much better than these PowerA Fusion wired

[lethal hawk]

Is the Fifine Ampligame AM8 a good combo with the Fifine Ampligame SC3 ?

[wintry mirage]

Does anyone know where I can get speakon cables for cheap in the UK

[still plaza]

Should I get airpod pros or galaxy bud 3 pros? They are both 329 CAD, but I feel like the galaxy buds would connect easier to my phone (pixel 6a)

[lean grove]

AmaZon basics

[ancient dagger]

yo i need mic

what would you guys recommend

[sleek lily]

Either buying one or stealing one

I don't recommend just not having a mic though

[carmine sleet]

hey guys, i installed scrcpy on my laptop,and i am uisng it to mirror chat gpt mobile app from a randome huawei mobile phone that is lucky to have google services on my pc,since there isnt a windows version of chat gpt yet 😂

and i am facing a problem

the android version he is ,its at 8.1.0 and i cant find any solution to mirror the audio

[primal fulcrum]

Is the cup trully larger with less clamping force than 1000XM3?

Mabye their WH1000XMX series became useable then

[nova wagon]

if you stick with scrcpy it's impossible since this is a limitation with scrcpy

[tired crown]

Shut up and quit trolling

[tired crown]

Quadcast or wave 3

[lean folio]

So I'm new to wired headphones. I got myself AirPods Pro 2 while they were on fire sale a little while back because they were Good Enough™: pretty decent sound quality and ANC that didn't sound like cotton batting being stuffed down your throat (yes, sound. Shut up.) Almost everything else (spatial audio, head-tracking, multi-point connectivity) was Pretty Neat™. One thing I didn't immediately discover but decided I can't do without is Dolby Atmos support (I have no idea what that entails). Multi-point connectivity is really cool and kinda useful for me (I have an SE 2020 128 GB as a player for my totally legit and above-board FLACs and an SE 2022 256 GB daily driven for everything else: Atmos tracks from Apple Music, calls, you name it. I also don't have a decent pair of wired headphones, so my AirPods serve for gaming, too) but is irrelevant to my current goals.

I'm looking for wired (wireless-capable is fine or even preferable but not necessary) over-ear headphones. Really good ANC is a deal-breaker. If I can notice the ANC or my environment any more than APP2, they're out. I have auditory processing issues, so this is absolutely a no-compromise point. Soundstage is honestly secondary, but Dolby Atmos support would be nice. They should be able to be driven by a standard mid-range smartphone (iPhone SE 2022 in my case); dedicated audio equipment shouldn't be necessary. I don't know how this affects cable interface because I'm not familiar enough with XLR and the like and how converting to/from that works. I'm not familiar enough with codecs like SBC, AAC, or aptX etc. to say what I'm looking for. Finally, they ought to be fairly price-comparable to APP2 (I think $300 USD as a soft cap is probably fine?). I'm not looking for style points in the slightest. Ugly is fine. Comfort is probably more valuable than I give it credit for.

I've found some probably-overkill headphones from Austrian Audio at about that but no ANC. Any thoughts? Recommendations?

I don't suppose anyone has an evil and autistic catalogue of models' features? Something like an Obsidian vault? No?

Bonus points for:

• generic and/or FOSS config (third-party is okay)
• Particularly exquisite UI. For example, a physical knob for volume, buttons that tickle your brain just right, etc. If it feels like crap, then what's the point?
• easily swappable battery if applicable

Malus points (not disqualified) for:

• Crummy UI. Holding for volume is unacceptable.
• No EQ (etc.) without a mobile app. Realistically I'd use it anyway but I want options.
• Sketchy Linux/BSD/ReactOS/etc. performance. If it's OS-specific, that's a red flag.
• Bluetooth <5.0--you might as well have no wireless at all.

[haughty girder]

Quadcast is bad

Wave 3 is fine

actually wave 3 sounds good

which is not surprising, considering it's a lewitt mic

[elder thistle]

wired headphones do not contain ANC.

if you want really good anc, you are just back at square one with airpods and things similar to airpods

the latest high end name brand prosumer / non-hifi wireless headphones are what's going to have the strongest and cleanest ANC, and to my knowledge they have obsoleted and removed the headphone jack

and you can't drive a wired headphone because the iphone has no headphone jack. a dongle dac would have to do it, which is extra hardware

[haughty girder]

QC15

wired headphones with ANC

[elder thistle]

they didn't even have bluetooth headphones back then

yes there are a tiny amount of obscure and outdated models for pilots

I mean this thing takes AAA alkaline batteries

[ancient dagger]

thanks g

[lean folio]

Okay. Then wireless headphones with ANC that can operate wired. Is that not the same? Am I missing a critical piece of information somewhere?

Do they typically draw from the batteries or USB power in such a mode?

[elder thistle]

I guess, but then you'd need a headphone jack on your phone. which isn't hard really, a dongle like I said

what

so wait

you mean just buying modern wireless headphones and then charging them with your phone?

no

perhaps an android phone could interface with the headphones using a usbc-usbc cable if the headphones can act like the dongle inside

I don't know if that's a protocol that works on x wireless headphones paired with y device

but just to clarify,

[elder thistle]

what nexgen shows here is not the same

at least not the same as what you're talking about if we go under the assumption that there's no headphone jack on the wireless headphones

a wired headphone is a passively driven device with no battery, no circuit boards, no anc. because it's basically impossible to have one of those things without having all of them

it would take more money to not turn it into a wireless headphone

this is the wire

the pc or a phone with a headphone jack (inbuilt or dongle) provides a small powered analog audio signal in the tip and ring of the jack, powering the two speakers inside the headphones and directly turning it into sound

this is why when you unplug wired headphones, they stop playing music

there is no longer power nor a signal, since the power is in the signal

the kind of power in the signal is also only useful for powering the speakers. it's not able to charge batteries or power circuitry for wireless or anc

what you're looking for is to take a wireless headphone and arbitrarily add a usb cable to charge it or something

doesn't make sense

it doesn't make it a wired headphone more than it makes an airpod case on a string to a purse wired earphones

[warm scarab]

Just stick to pros 2

Wired items don't have ANC

And dolby atmos audio is a gimmick, it can realistically only be played on speakers and atmos setups cost around 1000$ if you diy everything yourself and like 3000$ otherwise, youll also have to remodel an entire room for it

[stone quartz]

Is £99 a good price for these?

[steel escarp]

man

I aint even gonna lie

the 50 euro dongle dac, moondrop dawn sounds fine for my he1000v2 stealth

its just a bit lighter on bass

moondrop too poor to get certified by microsoft

[unique wind]

yeah it's totally fine

dawn puts out 230mw at 32ohms in high gain

[steel escarp]

I used it as just a dac too

it sounds sibilant

[unique wind]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-rubbing-eyes-gif-10112710

[steel escarp]

idk what the heck it does but it gives me an actual headache

also it somehow makes the fiio ft1 bass sound 4dB less loud than my violectric

[unique wind]

that's just the voices in your head grey

[steel escarp]

no, I am sure you could even hear it

its like really apparent

[torpid hatch]

It makes me very sad when specs say "dB".
It literally means nothing in that context (do they mean dBu? v? SPL? FS? A? ...) and the term loudness isn't a measurement, but arbitrary perception (the closest we have is LUFS, even that is not great)

[steel escarp]

@unique wind I aint gonna lie, I think the dac might be evil

LED is just "slightly" bright 💀

[steel escarp]

how does moondrop dawn pro make this headphone's bass sound neutral

its like fine with my he1000v2 stealth

well, still less but doesn't sound completely cucked

man, its not like I can return it to China

fml

[unique wind]

it doesn’t

it’s the voices in your head

[warm scarab]

hello im headphone dawn pro

i can confirm that i make that headphones bass neutral

[steel escarp]

the voices have spoken

last time I got someone who has no idea about audio listen to two different amps blindly and they were exactly able to point out what I also heard

[feral lion]

How good are the moondrop blessing 3s?

[lean folio]

Fairbuds XL do this last I checked.

[lean folio]

Okay, then wireless that are wire-capable.

ANC is the absolute dealbreaker.

[lean folio]

Good to know. Thank you.

[warm scarab]

Its also incredibly limited since most music isn't mastered in dolby atmos but simple stereo

[lean folio]

Typically not, as I've discovered. Unfortunately due to circumstances beyond my control, they must be wire-able.

[warm scarab]

You can use wireless headphones wired through usb

Some of them at least

Why do you need wires

[lean folio]

Not something I can get into. The short version is that I'm well-versed in wireless signals (the only thing stopping me from getting my HAM license was that I didn't have the money for it, much less for a transceiver) but not everyone else is.

And to be entirely clear: this is completely beyond my control.

[warm scarab]

Alright then

How about buying construction work earmuffs and using iems underneath

I don't know how comfortable it would be but its the most analogue solution I can think of

[lean folio]

Most ANC earmuffs I've found are unacceptably cottony and/or painful to wear. Got any recommendations?

[elder thistle]

a device without anc is the most private solution

[warm scarab]

nope none

I have no info about the field

[elder thistle]

e.g an mp3 player used with wired earbuds (conventionally wired, like analog 3.5mm)

[warm scarab]

but you can just try iems that have deep insertion

actually

etymotic er2se

[elder thistle]

after that it's all compromises and will all involve radio frequencies

[warm scarab]

they are basically earplugs with speakers in them

[lean folio]

Again: I'm well aware of this

[warm scarab]

your ears will have to get adjusted though

[elder thistle]

then,

[warm scarab]

just get er2se

[elder thistle]

you acknowledge the product you want does not exist

it's a sad thing, but there are lots of different kinds of ecosystems out there that people seeking the best of the best have absolutely no choice but to use

[lean folio]

It's not a privacy thing.

[lean folio]

I'll take a look at these

[warm scarab]

practically earplugs, can't go wrong

[elder thistle]

o

well noise isolating iems like klaus suggests is the approach used by professionals at concerts that need to block out the PA speakers

[lean folio]

It's a "not everyone is well-versed in how RF works, and some of these people are in positions that can be neither reasoned with nor ignored"

[elder thistle]

but this works by muffling sounds

[warm scarab]

in practice not too different from anc

[elder thistle]

it's just usb and 3.5mm are very opposite things

[warm scarab]

just ergonomic differences

[warm scarab]

in practice of dampening outside noises :^)

we should find and eat jackson

[elder thistle]

well both

[lean folio]

The er2se appear to be good at pnc but significantly (~$110 USD) cheaper than APP2 so there's a good chunk left over for playing around with additional anc.

[warm scarab]

slurp him up real good

[main spoke]

any ideas on how the cmf buds pro 2 compare to the airpods 2nd gen in terms of audio quality? both around the same price in uk

[primal tide]

Sup, I know nothing about speakers

USA

50 dollars or less

Can you good samaritans recommend me a good pair of speakers

[warm scarab]

tight budget but try creative pebbles

the 2.1 version if possible

[primal tide]

Ty

[wintry mirage]

i could use some speakers i got for $100 on my desk

not sure how well it would go but i could

not sure how I would fit these on my desk

[primal fulcrum]

The best part about VLC, is the 200% volume option, in case your laptop speakers are too quite on 100%.

[warm scarab]

love clipping

[haughty girder]

can't clip something that isn't 0dbfs

if the media is quiet, it's the right solution (sorta)

[warm scarab]

he did say that his laptop speakers are too quiet

[waxen sonnet]

Anyone have recommendations for nice headphones for under/around $500?

[sage frigate]

yoo I needed help w my headphones

[tender frost]

Best to just say what's wrong with them

[sage frigate]

I have this pair of bose qc 35 and a few years back my lil brother plugged these to an extension box with an airplane adapter and it completely damaged the extension box and also the headphones

so a few days back I managed to hook the drivers directly to the aux cable (cuz the drivers were still working) and the sound quality was really good but I wanted wireless so I hooked the speakers to some cheap bluetooth headset pcb but it the sound isnt as good. Any suggestion on how to fix this issue?

[tender frost]

Use a more expensive Bluetooth headset PCB
Unfortunately that is just the nature of cheap bluetooth

Though, it would be worthwhile to check that the connections to the drivers are very secure

[sage frigate]

the connections arent that good honestly

I js soldered a wire so that I could use THAT wire to connect to speaker without having to solder anymore

smthing like this

[torpid hatch]

“Prosound” reminds me of ron swanson calling his building company “very good building company” 😂

[wintry mirage]

it's pro sound fr

they are professional speakers that produce sound

[steel escarp]

I wanna be a professional speakers when I grow up

[sage frigate]

@lean grove

[lean grove]

@sage frigate what

Why are you pinging me ten times

[sterile widget]

so I may be a little stupid, but is it possible to connect an adc to the fiio m17 as a mic input solution?

[warm scarab]

its got a usb port no?

does it not have a mic port by default

[sterile widget]

The m17 doesn’t have inline mic support

[warm scarab]

apple usb c dongle

[sterile widget]

Connect the Apple c dongle to pc to m17?

[warm scarab]

yes

[sterile widget]

I’m not sure if that would work

[warm scarab]

its an android phone

[deep ridge]

Heyy! Quick question, I currently have the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 4th gen, and planned to soon buy either the SM7B or SM7DB microphone, this is depending on if the audio interface would require a cloudlifter. So there is it, the question

Would the sm7b require a cloudlifter for quality and a not too silent sound with my interface?

[wintry mirage]

I tried 1 on my bookshelf speaker amplifier and it got to 103db at 1 meter without even maxing out the volume

[warm scarab]

its a very weak interface so yes it would

you shouldn't be buying a streamerbait microphone anyways

[haughty girder]

it's not very weak... it's fine

but yea chances are if you need to ask to buy an SM7B, it's not the right mic for you

[deep ridge]

@buoyant vale what is wrong with focusrite?

[haughty girder]

Focusrite is fine

it's the Scarlett line that's kinda mid for the price

it's just comparable products are either cheaper for the same quality, or better at the same price

[haughty girder]

2i4 4th generation has more gain than the Motu M2 and lower preamp noise

my main gripe with it is that 50ohm headphone output

[warm scarab]

I mean motu m2 isn't a strong interface either

[haughty girder]

It's no wavexlr for sure

but it's fine

again, decent amount of gain and a decently low noise floor means you can boost it in software if need be

that's not a problem

[warm scarab]

I mean sure never said that

Its a great interface

but you put things on a spectrum and it's on the lower end of the scale

[haughty girder]

ehhh

middle.

[warm scarab]

for consumer use ig

[haughty girder]

it's a scarlett interface ofc it's consumer

people only know Focusrite for their consumer facing products (scarlett) and form their opinion around that

[signal thorn]

What are the best iems for under £300

[uneven minnow]

Is there any mp3 player that doesn’t have any wireless connectivity? My job wont allow wireless devices.