audio-tech

[gentle quiver]

i could try cancel order if u got one thats always cheapish and better

[lean grove]

Idk. Like in your budget I have no idea

[gentle quiver]

sub £100 for amp would be fine but i see some spending like £300+ on amps so idk how doable it would be lol

ill try asking that person what sub they have plugged into the amp

[lean grove]

The hard part is gonna be dialing the subwoofer in to match with the speakers.

In a perfect system, you tell the subwoofer to take over where the speakers start having trouble with bass. So let's you have speakers that extend to 55 hz, with a good sub system you can say "okay speakers. Stop playing at 80hz. Anything below that the subwoofer will take over."

And in bad systems the subwoofer doesn't tell the speakers to stop playing. It will let them do their thing and it's up to you to tell the sub where to start working so you use the knob until like 60hz or something if the speakers roll off at 55hz

Bad is not the right word

Maybe like... Mediocre? Mid? Cheap? Idk.

[gentle quiver]

ye im pretty sure thats what i did with my edifiers my speakers got down to like 60hz so i set my sub at around 60 aswell

[lean grove]

Yeah. It's the simplest solution

Take a look the fosi za3

It has this same "simple" system in it but it's a pretty competent amp everywhere else

[gentle quiver]

looks alot more legit lol

what is xlr

some type of power cable?

[lean grove]

It's like RCA but better

[gentle quiver]

oh

[lean grove]

Holds up signal integrity better, used in more professional equipment

It operates at a higher voltage and does some noise cancelling stuff so it is really good for long runs across electrically noisy environments.

[gentle quiver]

right ok so with that amp could u recommend a sub at around £250

[lean grove]

Uhhhhh. Not in the EU. Elac might have one I think.

[gentle quiver]

: (

what will having lower voltage cable mean for a budget setup like mine?

[lean grove]

At your desk if you max out your volume you'll only go deaf in 2 minutes vs 1 minute if you have the 48v power supply

[gentle quiver]

elac subs start at £670 lol

48v it is ig then

[lean grove]

I meant that as a joke.

[gentle quiver]

: (

[lean grove]

48v gives you the full rated power

But even at 32v it's gonna be plenty for your desk

Really you'll only probably be using like 5-10 watts at a desk.

I have a 10 watt amp at my desk and I have never had to push it to max volume

[gentle quiver]

from what ive seen everyone online asking for subs in my price range is for cars lol

[lean grove]

JBL 550p is sometimes on sale. It's a damn good sub for the money if you can catch it.

The used market should also have lots of subwoofers on it.

Diy can also be a good avenue if you're handy.

[gentle quiver]

other than a the actual casing and the woofer what would i need to like make a sub

or is it as simple as plugging the - and + cable through the casing into the woofer

[lean grove]

With the amp you were recommended yeah pretty much

[gentle quiver]

: O

are the casing super expensive or something because the woofers themselves dont seem all that expensive for the size and power

[lean grove]

There are a lot of tutorials on how to build a sub. Lots of plans. They're very easy to design. Modeling software is free and takes anywhere from 20 minutes to a couple hours to learn.

[gentle quiver]

ye im pretty sure the person who recommended me the sub used a diy sub

oh so there is like no place online to buy the casing?

[lean grove]

Some places yeah

But it's not too difficult to make it yourself

It's a wooden box

But if you buy the case, you can tweak it slightly by changing the port length or adding stuffing to get the internal volume right and that's it

Subwoofer design at its base level is just "does this box have the right internal volume" and "do I want a port and how big/long should it be"

[gentle quiver]

as a example like these two would work and all id need to buy is a cable to connect them internally ? right

actually looks like the enclosure comes with cables already

[lean grove]

Uhhhhh... I mean yes technically it will work.

But the subwoofer box volume is part of the tuning. If you slap any old subwoofer driver in any old box it will be weird.

Worst case scenario the subwoofer loses a ton of efficiency and won't play as loud as you want while also have a massive bass bump in a strange place

And by box volume I mean like internal dimensions. Like 30 liters

[gentle quiver]

so size and shape of the enclosure matters for specific subs then? what about stuffing could i negate the weirdness by adding certains amount of stuffing

also how do u actually connect the sub ? do u like glue it on is there some specific adhesive

[lean grove]

Size yes, shape not really. It can be any shape. Flat, long, cylinder trapezoid. As long as the air it contains is the right amount.

Stuffing helps.

[gentle quiver]

so the higher wattage the sub is the higher volume of air needed in the enclosure?

[lean grove]

And this is the point where I am going to tell you to watch YouTube tutorials because there are really hundreds of videos out there that will answer all your questions

[gentle quiver]

ye good idea lol

thanks for the help

[lean grove]

123toid, hexibase, and audio judgement are all really good channels

123toid less so since he's kinda turned into a YouTube shill

But audio judgement is my favorite

https://youtu.be/Vf9ApmMFKTg

@gentle quiver

[gentle quiver]

now ill need to make a new desk too loll because my current sub aint fitting too comfortably on it and its sitting on the strongest part of the desk i fear if i get anything bigger my desk will fall apart

[lean grove]

You don't have to make a 12" sub

You can make an 8" sub

[gentle quiver]

i know i know

[lean grove]

Or you can turn your attic into a subwoofer by drilling a hole and putting a subwoofer in it

[gentle quiver]

but because i cannnnn i shall lol

[lean grove]

Internal volume of 10,000 liters

(this is something people actually do)

[gentle quiver]

imagine walking into someones room and theres just 15 subs in the ceiling

surely that would damage the house

[lean grove]

The drilling, yes. The subwoofer, no

[gentle quiver]

lol

its definetly space efficient ill tell ya that

surely too much space is bad too

[lean grove]

You have to have the right subwoofer for it

The air inside the subwoofer will act kinda like a spring. So as the subwoofer sucks in, it will get pushed outwards by the air pressure from when it went inwards.

If you have a subwoofer that has the right suspension it will handle it.

[gentle quiver]

my brain is now spaghetti

too much excel

problem with all this math with figuring out the enclosure size is i have no clue what sub id want as all i really know is size wattage and hz and from what i can tell the hz differs with enclosures

[warm scarab]

what is the best headphone to kill people with

[gentle quiver]

now thats a tough question

[steel escarp]

fiio ft1 bass is kinda crazy

with a 60mm driver

[gentle quiver]

looks heavy ngl

[steel escarp]

the ft1 is so light

340g

I am used to wearing 458g with my he1000 stealth

[gentle quiver]

this diy sub stuff is hurting my brain

[warm scarab]

i reckon it will also need to be a very tough headphone

what headphone can you use to bash someone's head in without breaking it

empyrean?

[steel escarp]

klaus, fiio ft1 has my seal of approval

you can safely recommend it

[warm scarab]

thats great grey

i will do that

@lean grove

[steel escarp]

its better than maxwell

[warm scarab]

you too

[gentle quiver]

damn i wish there was just a couple of vids with prebuilt sub enclosures and a specific driver its starting to look like ill also have to make the enclosure

the prebuilt enclosures dont really give the hz id want to go down to

[lean grove]

There's a software called WINISD that's better

[gentle quiver]

Ye i saw it aswell

[lean grove]

If grey likes it that's a bad sign, right?

[warm scarab]

what do you mean??

[lean grove]

What do you mean "what do you mean"

Name one grey audio experience that isn't an L

[gentle quiver]

Y bulli grey

[steel escarp]

its more that I get things that I don't like too often

its not that the things that I do like end up being bad

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-sarcasm-slow-smile-idiots-idiots-everywhere-oh-gif-23209701

[lean grove]

Because he puts his pants on the wrong way and eats bugs.

[gentle quiver]

😦

[lean grove]

The bugs part might be a rumor that I just made up but the pants part is 100% fact

[unique wind]

never trust the opinion of a man that obsesses over cables

[warm scarab]

erm you do the opposite

grey never missed

ever

[steel escarp]

the amount of bass this 60mm driver can make is nutty

[warm scarab]

so true!

[gentle quiver]

idk i dont like bass so close to my ears

[warm scarab]

i close my eyes do i don't have to see it

[elder thistle]

ndh20

aluminum jackets on most parts

[sleek lily]

Don't let him get to you. He likes clipping amps and thinks 600 has endgame stage and imaging

[steel escarp]

I still have no clue how ft1 can be so good for only 160

it beats out focal azurys

[haughty girder]

I've heard they beat the K371

How's clamping pressure on them?

I want smth to replace my K361

I got them before I started wearing glasses

now I wear thin frame glasses but it's already enough for k361 to be a little annoying

[steel escarp]

Normal

[haughty girder]

what headphone would you say its comparable to

[steel escarp]

The earpads are not that big. But at least shaped like an ear. Unlike fiio ft3

[haughty girder]

is the baffle padded where the ear goes or nah

[steel escarp]

A bit

[haughty girder]

that was one of my main gripes of most headphones - the baffle is sharp and hard and there's nothing in between it

a bit is better than nothing

That's good

[steel escarp]

But pads have enough depth. Your ears wont touch the driver grill

[steel escarp]

A focal azurys with more bass

And no 4kHz spike

Its at 8kHz for the ft1

[lean grove]

It's always weird when something actually good comes out and people don't have anything to argue about

[haughty girder]

well I've never tried azurys

[silent zinc]

When I was hunting for new cans I had focals come up a lot

I went to audio 46 in nyc and listened to 6-7 cans including several focals before getting the hifiman edition xs

Haven’t been happier

Retired my q701s

Poor things were so worn out I had to turn on the sound to get detail

[sleek lily]

I really feel like the audio industry needs to be more reactionary

Hifiman releases a new can whenever there is a market they want to compete more in at lower prices or with better performance while the rest of the industry kinda just releases a product then makes it worse and ups prices as the original version already has lost a value proposition

[haughty girder]

Hifiman also uses a tech that nobody wants to use

[lean grove]

what do you mean

[signal thorn]

What is the best iems for casual use on a low budget

[lean grove]

https://truthear.com/products/gate

[signal thorn]

does it matter what Lightning to 3.5 I’m using because i got an iPhone

[lean grove]

the default apple dongle is pretty good

if you have one you found in the bathroom floor of a gas station i might be suspicious

[signal thorn]

70 p off ali express one 😂

[signal thorn]

i aint soending like £40 on a dongle

Nvm its £8

Still aint got the money i think i moght have a spare one laying around

[lean grove]

moondrop space travel are wireless if thats what you wanted

they're $25

[signal thorn]

That sounds good idm the dongle as long as it dont end up like making the audio sound shit ill check them our

[elder thistle]

how's techs?

the baffle situation looks promising / had some thought put into it

and how's isolation perhaps

my sister got a shure srh440A for her birthday but the earpads don't seal well around her hair

[signal thorn]

What one should i buy

[steel escarp]

Pretty good. If you EQ the bass down you can actually hear the technicalities xD

For gaming it was epic

[wild willow]

Thoughts on the sony WF-1000XM5?

[warm scarab]

bad

[elder thistle]

oh

uh they try to accomplish similar things

build and ergonomics wise I prefer the chu 2. I think the zero 2 has more midrange detail and character, maybe smoother treble. definitely tighter bass

I havent done a good a/b test yet

[wild willow]

What is better in that price range?

[warm scarab]

define the price range

[wild willow]

2-300$

[warm scarab]

bose qc45

[steel escarp]

actually bass on the ft1 is not that crazy when using it off a laptop output (still present just not crazy)

but on my 1200 euro violectric v222, its so powerful that my entire head starts vibrating

[wild willow]

Those arent earpods

[warm scarab]

oh wait the wf

not the wh

my bad lol

id recommend airpods pro 2

[wild willow]

How are they better?

Also i use Android so the apple ecosystem is of no importance to me

[warm scarab]

the ecosystem argument is something stupid af anyways

you miss out on some stupid gimmicky features if you pair airpods with android

some you can fix with 3rd party apps but it should work fine stock

pods 2 pro are generally a better item in every way, I personally hate apple but can't lie those things are remarkably good

[wild willow]

Yeah i hate apple too so i dont really wanna buy their shit😂

[wild willow]

How is the bass on them? I currently have the Sennheiser tw momentum 2

[warm scarab]

its nice

its a tws iem i mean

doesnt get really good

but its alright as far as iems go

just buy em and try

if you dislike it return them

[wild willow]

Allright, thanks

[signal thorn]

what are the best iems for under 20gbp then

[unique wind]

“7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2” would be my 20 dollar pick

[austere surge]

alright I need to know what ya'll audiophiles think of my headphone and earbud choices.

Sony WF-1000xm4's bose 700's

If your wondering why I didn't buy ieds or open backs I wanted something I could use with my phone and laptop on the go.

[lean grove]

You can use IEDs with a phone.

Though idk if that's usually how they go off

[austere surge]

its an Iphone so no jack

[lean grove]

Idk how the detonation mechanism works but I think it can be wireless

[austere surge]

MMMMM interesting 😂 I don't know if this is a real thing but the idea of remote detonation being a question is kind of funny.

[lean grove]

Are we talking about different IEDs

[austere surge]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-bomb-explosion-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-15429820

[austere surge]

In Ear Devices?

[buoyant vale]

I thought that was a typo and was thinking how do you get a D instead of an M

[austere surge]

I have been saying that wrong for years.

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[lean grove]

Hopefully it hasn't put you on a watch list

"ied store near me"

[austere surge]

so if that doesn't prove that I am not much of a audio man idk what will... hahaha. That being said what do you think of my choice of audio is it good? could I do better?

[buoyant vale]

you know what bose stands for?

[lean grove]

I'm of you have an iphone get the airpod pro 2

Really they're the best wireless in-ear I've heard.

[austere surge]

I do want to get either some "IEMs" or over ear open backs. but yeah for audio I definitly want to get a dac amp and something nice.

[lean grove]

Oh so you want wireless headphones

[austere surge]

I have them I also want some that aren't. I want input on my two wireless picks and maybe some recommendations on headphones or earbuds (whichever you feel is better) that I could hook to a dac amp setup for my PC that are wired.

[austere surge]

nope

[buoyant vale]

Buy Other Sound Equipment

[austere surge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[warm scarab]

mean iem?

#ied-tech

[austere surge]

what's wrong with them? (in your oppinion)

[warm scarab]

they have 2 ok items

and then bad items

[austere surge]

yes 😅 turns out I have been asking people for good bomb recomendations by accident

[lean grove]

Oh. I think I see now. The Sony's and Bose are a bit expensive. If you want comfort and ANC then they're fine but if you want to focus on sound quality then you really can do better.

[warm scarab]

ball bearings are ok for shrapnel

[austere surge]

shoot. I mostly just want to enhance my sound quality.

[austere surge]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-17800533426298923867

[austere surge]

any recomendations 2 that are wireless two that aren't

I tried to do a TON of research before I bought anything from all the reviews I saw these were the best sounding and most sold feeling to wear and listen to.

[lean grove]

If you get a qudelix 5k then suddenly everything is wireless. So that paired with a decent pair of iems or headphones is what I would think is best for sound quality.

Otherwise I hear a lot of people like the jbl 760nc.

[austere surge]

but I am no expert at all

[warm scarab]

you plug in 1 wire

and pair 1 bluetooth device

[austere surge]

THAT thing is SWEET so added to cart. but for high end audio what do you think I was looking at the Sennheiser HD 6xxs (because I like the gold/copper looking one) but if you have any other recomendations lmk

[warm scarab]

6xx is liked by a lot of people

go for it if you'd like

also the gold/copper looking one?

i thought they made 6xx only in black

[austere surge]

OH YEAH it is nice accenting

[lean grove]

Idk what you're talking about either

There aren't any gold and copper 6xxs

[warm scarab]

https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.usaudiomart.com%2Fuploads%2Flarge%2F4929928-6137edb2-sennheiser-hd-6xx-w-custom-cans-copper-mod-zmf-perf-suede-pads-malvix-studio-custom-grilles-capraaud.jpg&sp=1726844128T7bb41a2572f22b3934d1a1ce81407bdb35333fb66e2ca83c282c2991aa34fa52

think he means this

which is a thing some dude built himself

[austere surge]

no sen sells them let me grab a amazon link I have also seen a few on drop

[warm scarab]

are the gold 6xx currently in the room with us

[austere surge]

oh I see the 660s2

[warm scarab]

trash

[austere surge]

https://tenor.com/view/macumba-gif-5227229

[warm scarab]

@lean grove is 660s2 any different than the normal one

enough to justify it

[austere surge]

it has copper 😂

[lean grove]

I kinda liked it at canjam. It's a new tuning profile. Very different from the old 660

I wouldn't pay $600 for it

[austere surge]

OOH ok ok dreams not crushed.

[warm scarab]

600 jesus

[austere surge]

brother my earbuds were 320 and my headphones were 260

[warm scarab]

ok and

mine are more expensive

doesn't justify 660s2 being 600$

[austere surge]

nice 😎

[warm scarab]

its direct competitor is 220$

[austere surge]

I just don't mind spending money for look.

[warm scarab]

380$

for orange finish

[austere surge]

If I did I wouldn't have a 1.4k keyboard sitting next to me.

[warm scarab]

buy a better headphone if you have that much money

stupid thing to waste it on

[austere surge]

it's a hobby if I like it and I can spend it without breaking the bank, then I don't think it is such a bad thing.

[warm scarab]

it isn't unless its disturbing your life

[lean grove]

1.4k on a keyboard Jesus 💀

[warm scarab]

yea 1.4k keyboard is like

one of the things of all time

[austere surge]

I am not doing it for a "need" if I was I would buy the cheapest things I could. this is for fun

[warm scarab]

go spend 6k and buy meze empyreans

its garbage for its price but its probably the best built headphone to exist and looks incredible

nvm 3k only

so cheap

[austere surge]

I was looking but I think that is a bit much for me... but the HD 800s look cool

[warm scarab]

hd800 are weird

not bad but weird

hate it or love it thing

[austere surge]

huh... I mean I don't mind trying stuff.

if need I can always just sell it.

[warm scarab]

get a standard before that

if you buy a 5000 headphone and a really bad sounding one for that price

it will still probably sound better than 500 dollar ones you previously used

so you would think its a good investment

[sleek lily]

I agree

They're very hot or miss

Great for some music and just terrible for others

[austere surge]

OH no I would do my research I buy stuff after I do a bit of understanding.

[warm scarab]

research is not sufficient

you need to listen in person

[austere surge]

That would be part of it.

[warm scarab]

research can assist you though

id personally for starters find out if you like planars or dynamics more

[sleek lily]

Tbh, with how current hd800 prices are inflated, if you just want to try hd800 stage, just get an open box arya

[warm scarab]

two completely different approaches to audio

one is thin, detailed, sensitive, fast, wide and clean

(if executed well)

[lean grove]

Most of the information on headphones online is pretty vague, misleading, or downright incorrect.

Klaus is responsible for about 13% of it

[warm scarab]

dynamics are generally the opposite

narrow, warm, thick

[lean grove]

He's doing it right now, watch

[warm scarab]

67% to go

no wait

[lean grove]

Bad at math

[warm scarab]

math is not real

stop being stupid

[lean grove]

Eastern European education

[sleek lily]

I'd say stage is not at all connected to the type of driver

[warm scarab]

what is eductation

[sleek lily]

Not would I really directly connect tonality to it

[lean grove]

In a shock to everyone he's said something I agree with

[warm scarab]

I'd disagree

[austere surge]

So from my headphone expeirence (or lack there of) I know that I like my audio sharp I like to feel the feeling of knowing where things are without being DOMINATED by base and base is a big one for me. I find that subtle moves in music and sound I prefer to have a high fidelity without being caried away because I like to hear and know that information.

[lean grove]

Twice in a row for that matter

[warm scarab]

sounds like you'd like planars

[sleek lily]

There are super narrow dynamics like hd650

And there is hd800 and k1000

[warm scarab]

k1000 is not a fair comparison

[lean grove]

You might really like the 800s.

[sleek lily]

There are super narrow planars like he6 or super wide like Arya

[warm scarab]

and 2 headphones do not make a market statement

akg k7** also kinda wide tho

[sleek lily]

I can add more examples of wide and narrow for both types

And anything in-between

[warm scarab]

im curious what are wide dynamics you can name

[lean grove]

The point is you can't generalize with driver type. It is a small part of what goes into making a headphone sound like it does.

[sleek lily]

There really isn't a correlation between driver type and stage

[warm scarab]

layering gives off the impression of larger stage

[austere surge]

good to know. I will take your advice though and listen to some at a convention if I have the chance, but yeah seems like there are a lot of things, I am excited to get into.

[warm scarab]

maybe for now get 2 different headphones that are like 200$ ish each and go off of what you like

6xx and edition xs are good and very opposite headphones

[sleek lily]

540, hd700, bori, 560, 990, 265, etc

[warm scarab]

560 is note wide

come on

[sleek lily]

560 is what I'd call a midpoint

[warm scarab]

no idea about bori and hd700

[sleek lily]

It's average stage

[warm scarab]

yes

definitely not wide

[sleek lily]

Hd700 is nearly as wide as 800

[warm scarab]

nor is 540

or dt990

they have a soundstage thats about it

[sleek lily]

540 is definitely wide when you use the non velour pads

[warm scarab]

maybe

which 540 are you talking about

the gold?

[sleek lily]

990 is wide too but I don't like it

[sleek lily]

Both

[austere surge]

well I don't need headphones right now. I do really love the sound of actually both my headphones and my earbuds but to reduce bias (on my part) I wanted to ask what your opinions on them were all the ones I bought were top ranked when I last looked at the list for wireless audio with only the earbuds minorly falling in comfort. same thing with the headphones I tried to give as little input other than I was looking into this or that until you asked about a preference sound audio.

[lean grove]

Headphone width is an illusion. You can trick yourself into hearing width with deep meditation and carbon monoxide poisoning.

[sleek lily]

I've tried both versions with the white pads

And velour

Also, most akg open backs are wide

So there's that

[warm scarab]

i mean you eat bad hamburgers your entire life you wouldn't know how the better ones taste nor imagine it

its fine if you are content with that though

you dont need good headphones to enjoy stuff, we are just like

stupid

especially nils

that guy is like 💀 💀

[sleek lily]

@austere surge my advice is if you want hd800 stage, wait until the used market normalizes and they're back to $500. Imo they aren't worth the current used price. If you need one now, get an Arya open box for $500

[warm scarab]

also maybe go for speakers

[lean grove]

Klaus trying his best to communicate with westerners by describing everything in terms of hamburgers and football fields.

[warm scarab]

planar 0.2 football field wide

dynamic 0.1

[lean grove]

How fucking thick is your planar Jesus Christ

[warm scarab]

no its the soundstage

silly

[austere surge]

no but I would rather ask a question in the understanding that I might have a bad opinion or in your analogy never had a good burger and instead ask in general what are your thoughts.

[lean grove]

Soundstage is when it takes 1500 watts to move your headphone a mm

[warm scarab]

this is why no one takes your advice seriously

you dont use the correct metrics

[warm scarab]

i mean its fine

completely personal priorities

i couldnt imagine spending 1.4k on a keyboard without being needlessly rich but i could imagine spending it on a headphone

[austere surge]

yeah and I really appreciated the input.

[sleek lily]

I'd say it has more to do with nils recommending 600 for imaging and stage and defending how good a clipping amp is

[austere surge]

tbf... I have 30

[warm scarab]

unsurprising

[austere surge]

not all that price but some are close.

also if you go to battle stations you can see I also might have overspent on that too.

[sleek lily]

Tbh, keyboard hobby needs more science

[austere surge]

it's just a natural problem. also a benefit of living somewhere cheap and having a really good job to pay for it all.

[buoyant vale]

Communist detected!

[austere surge]

yeah... but we like throwing things at the wall first hahaha

[sleek lily]

I think in the only person who bothered measuring the relative affect of gain on acoustic chambers for damping materials before adding them to boards

[lean grove]

How many ohms is the he6se buddy

[sleek lily]

Or I guess not before, but rather verified after but understood before

[sleek lily]

55

[lean grove]

Not 4 ohms?

[sleek lily]

55-60 actually

[lean grove]

So not 4 ohms?

[sleek lily]

Mine is on the low end

[warm scarab]

its around 4

what kind of headphones does this biioc dude have

[sleek lily]

A lot of vintage stuff

[warm scarab]

no thats not

ok

[sleek lily]

I restore a lot of vintage gear

[lean grove]

And defile others

[sleek lily]

Some examples of my completed restorations

[warm scarab]

these arent real headphones they are toys

[sleek lily]

I'm also restoring a few stax but I'm stuck on a final step of finding what foam was used in the rear

[warm scarab]

lifetime foam replacement warranty

ehe

[sleek lily]

Not a restoration but I also made a physical clone of the he6 from he6seV2

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-false-advertising-fake-false-gif-26027750

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-be-clear-uhhh-meme-gif-25693361

[austere surge]

did you post this on reddit? I think I saw the post.

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-gif-22246775

[sleek lily]

Only physical differences remaining is I have a 55 ohm driver instead of 50, and I can't recreate that gold mesh behind the magnets without finding a safe way to separate the driver in half

[austere surge]

or maybe it was just here that I saw it.

[lean grove]

He posts them everywhere

[sleek lily]

No, but someone else may have

[austere surge]

😂

[warm scarab]

he posted it

dont fall for it

he isnt that humble

[lean grove]

Also @warm scarab accept my friend request I have some Fortnite dance videos I want to show you

[warm scarab]

my favorite is orange justice

[lean grove]

OMG I was just gonna say that's my favorite too

[warm scarab]

HOLY SMOKES 😂 😂

[sleek lily]

I think xs will be my next purchase

Cause I have a good keyboard now and I have an attack shark r3 mouse shipping

Or rather my next purchase for my setup

If I don't like it I'll just sell it cheap or give it to a friend I guess. I don't have too much confidence in the xs based on how I've heard it described

Not that I think it'll be bad

Just won't really fill a role in my collection

And isn't vintage so no sentimental reason to keep it

But maybe it'll blow my mind

[austere surge]

alright well it has been a interesting time chatting... but I have a meeting to get to chow.

[sleek lily]

Best of luck on your headphone journey 👍

[left verge]

Does anyone here use FXsound?

[austere surge]

thx

[night plume]

I may very well need a new pair of pc speakers. This is the cable that connects the 2 speakers to each other

Pins are bent and housing is out of whack

Ok think I got the pins realigned correctly to get it plugged in. Shall have to see if they work

If they don't I will need a new set so any recommendations for smaller pc speakers?

Maybe around the $100 or less mark

[lean grove]

Creative pebbles are a good option for small cheap speakers.

[night plume]

Ok

[tired crown]

what would be a good $40 or less mic arm for a q2u

[night plume]

I personally don't need a sub

[molten lotus]

how do yall feel about dayton audio?

I only found out about them last year but I love their speakers now

(turns out all ohio produced Sierra 3500 SLTs from 2002-2008 had dayton audio systems not bose systems and they are just as nice as the bose systems in my opinion thats how I found out about dayton audio)

[thin silo]

Does anyone have a good suggestion for a budget receiver that has at least 2 zones is at least 7.1 and can do 4k 60 at around 95-125w a channel? I currently have a Denon AVR3313cl that only does 4k30 or 1080p60. Im not brand loyal but dont want to buy garbage

[warm scarab]

2 zones?

[elder thistle]

there's the normal stuff like presonus eris e3.5, mackie cr3x, edifier r1280t

the creative pebbles are cool for $20 or whatever they go for these days, but they're still pc speakers

I haven't tried the r1280T's, only their mr4's. but my favorite is the behringer truth 3.5's

they have a lot of body/fullness to them, and a touch of bass. they aren't as bright as the other small speakers

but what really sets them apart is the midrange detail and their soundstage/imaging

if you want something a little tighter and snappier sounding, that's probably the cr3x's

and the eris e3.5's are basically between that and the edifier mr4, which are more like monitoring speakers with little soundstage

[wintry mirage]

are cds better quality than normal mp3s

i mostly just use vinyl or lossless on pc

i was just thinking about buying a cd player to go with my amplifier

[woeful wharf]

Technically, yes
But indecipherable if it's V0 or 320

Vinyl is technically superior as well, containing more information - but the bottleneck is the quality of your turntable and needle

[wintry mirage]

i use the marantz pm6007 amplifier and people usually recommend the cd6007

[elder thistle]

the amp is the powerhouse of the mp3

that extra 0.4db isn't charity you know

you should thank mp3

[patent wing]

does anyone know a decent headset that is £40-£50 that wont crackle or echo? (and it needs to work with xbox series x)

idm if wired or wireless

couldnt care less as long as it works and isnt uncomfortable to wear

[steel escarp]

lmao good luck getting a headphone for that cheap

[sleek lily]

@patent wing ksc75 maybe

[livid ruin]

ksc75, kph30i, hd681 w mods, some jbl 710bt/720bt, or if you don’t mind spending little more he400se or m50x from aliexpress ~$50-70

[patent wing]

none of the first 5 work and i cant use ali express

[warm scarab]

cloud 2

50€ on discount

[patent wing]

ok but can it be plugged into a controller?

[warm scarab]

what socket does the controller have

[patent wing]

i dont know what its called but its an xbox series x controller

[warm scarab]

should be 3.5 or 2.5

at worst you need an adapter

should work

[patent wing]

i dont want an adapter tho

it cant be usb a

[warm scarab]

yeah is 3.5

no adapter needed

[patent wing]

for the xbox controller?

[warm scarab]

yes

[patent wing]

ok

can you tell me if this is better than that one? https://uk.turtlebeach.com/products/stealth-500-headset?&Color=Black&Platform=Xbox

[warm scarab]

it isn't

[patent wing]

how come?

[warm scarab]

why so you think its better

[patent wing]

it looks better and ive had a similar looking one before and it was great

[warm scarab]

its a turtlebeach headphone lmao

gamestop slop

[patent wing]

what is specifically bad tho?

[warm scarab]

they have made zero good headphones and its a 50$ wireless headphone

alongside the battery, the pcb, the receiver, dongle and chips

how much of that budget do you presume goes into the parts that do the audio

you have a 50 pound budget you are spreading it too thin

[patent wing]

ok then ty

[unique wind]

it has a severe lack of bass, and voices will sound boxy

[patent wing]

cant be worse than my pikachu headphones XD

but, i will get the cloud 2

[warm scarab]

yeah but it can definitely be worse than the cloud 2

[patent wing]

what about the cloud 3?

i think i can get that on amazon for £59

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-Cloud-III-Ultra-Clear-USB/dp/B0C3BV19Q3/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.zi2X44asp5NuJSZxHDlDF22BSvscoK2n6-opf50FTWOxx0DRsMpT6gQ0GJYKNXkgf6vhhWGI2SL9Nigz3mDkc9mtzHvps9qKxzkUl2fOjEWzadJu-2GaFvsXWqddMPcenMZUDxBTvhOVDz7pmxyyhqbtNMTuh3UfMoJbXSLExn_zsLsoGjFTIWMdBOBIiGakHdhSP6g75GNDBIvBucrU4Q.eaaxfLYxGO9YAVyj8Ai5YuqV-qGRBZf_1wDENGtUf6A&dib_tag=se&keywords=cloud+2&qid=1726937598&sr=8-2

[warm scarab]

not as good from what i remember

Ill check it out again

[patent wing]

ok

just i cant find the cloud 2 on amazon

i found a few others too

[warm scarab]

cloud 2 is better still

[patent wing]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CYJF4KG7/ref=sbl_dpx_m_uk-pc-accessories-headsets_B07MTXLFXV_0https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Surround-Sound-Gaming-Headset-Leatherette/dp/B07MTXLFXV/ref=pd_aw_fbt_img_m_sccl_2/257-5784201-8275059?pd_rd_w=zXrRb&content-id=amzn1.sym.51917256-fb24-4a1b-a302-f7f1e8c41b84&pf_rd_p=51917256-fb24-4a1b-a302-f7f1e8c41b84&pf_rd_r=KF9Z2P93308DWJS7J703&pd_rd_wg=1okEQ&pd_rd_r=65e6c01d-50c4-4528-8407-eaad04704230&pd_rd_i=B07MTXLFXV&psc=1

[livid ruin]

it’s on par or probably even a downgrade with sound quality vs the II

@patent wing buy he400se from aliexpress at $65

[patent wing]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CYJF4KG7/ref=sbl_dpx_m_uk-pc-accessories-headsets_B07MTXLFXV_0

[patent wing]

i cant go to ali express for it

im not the one buying it and they will only buy from amazon

[warm scarab]

400se is going to be hard to drive from an xbox controller

[patent wing]

i dont even know what that is

but is the 2 i just sent any better?

they are all the same price for me at £59

[warm scarab]

isnt g pro usb

[patent wing]

it says it works with xbox

[livid ruin]

oh

didn’t reas he was intending to use it w xbox controller

[patent wing]

ye

[livid ruin]

i’ve tried the he400se on phone, it’s not that bad as people say

[warm scarab]

its has a usb dongle so you should be good

[livid ruin]

it depends on the phone heavily

but yeah, hit or miss

[warm scarab]

I can't honestly wholeheartedly say its a good headphone though

[patent wing]

on the last page of it on the amazon listing it shows a regular audio cable

[patent wing]

what about these ones then?

[warm scarab]

go for the g pro honestly

[warm scarab]

yeah it has a usb dongle like cloud 2 it isn't usb by itself

[patent wing]

oh

[warm scarab]

it looks alright on paper, i cant think of any other headphones i can recommend

might be worth going for it

[stone quartz]

Does anyone know what the plastic sheets on the top are for?

[warm scarab]

the vents?

[patent wing]

alright, thank you

[warm scarab]

wait no

I accidentally checked out g pro x

not g pro x se

this thing has no measurements

is it new because there is zero data available

[patent wing]

idk

[stone quartz]

It has these flexible plastic sheets that are clipped in place

[patent wing]

it was just in my amazon reccomended

[stone quartz]

I removed them because they look and feel crap

[warm scarab]

might be for mounting another unit on top of it

like a cd player

[stone quartz]

Oh, that makes perfect sense actually, since this has a companion BD player

[warm scarab]

its a shot in the dark dont take my word for it

[patent wing]

did you answer for the g432?

[warm scarab]

nah

[patent wing]

.

[warm scarab]

It has the shitty 4 screw logitech hinges

it will break at some point

[patent wing]

how long?

[warm scarab]

depends on times dropped

id give it maximum 4-5 years though

maximum

if all the stars align

[patent wing]

alr

[paper current]

anyone know if maono pd200x is decent

[patent wing]

i onlt need it for like 1 year anyway

but is it good?

[warm scarab]

no

its pretty shit

[warm scarab]

looks like gamer slop

[paper current]

ya idk

[warm scarab]

also expensive as fuck for a mic

[paper current]

$50

oh wait its $80 on their site

[warm scarab]

let me listen to a demo

[paper current]

idk this guy is selling it for $50 on this marketplace unless hes gonna change it when I pm him

[patent wing]

alr

[warm scarab]

when someone is selling a usb mic there is generally a good reason behind it

[paper current]

nah i mean he's selling it as new

[warm scarab]

it actually sounds alright in demos

[paper current]

im thinking of just selling my hs80 max and buying a standalone mic and use my $30 hyperx old headset lol

[warm scarab]

its really thin sounding

has a lack of bass

but its alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilj7TkFzOrw

very nasal

[patent wing]

i see what u mean by gamer slop XD

[warm scarab]

yeah lmao

actually nvm

[warm scarab]

the guy was using it as an xlr mic not as usb

its eh

id recommend the seiren mini over it

(v1)

[paper current]

ye i saw that too

[warm scarab]

or fifine t669

fifine t669 primarily actually

[paper current]

was gonna go for fifine but limited options on that ngl

wait

the t669 is used

aliexpress doesn't ship either

[warm scarab]

your choice

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm scarab]

get the seiren mini v1 if its more suitable for you

but it doesn't come with a boom arm

which is an issue

[paper current]

ye ik

why is the v1 better tho

[warm scarab]

capitalism

why would you make a better item and sell it for cheap instead of making a worse one and sell it for the same price until people notice

[paper current]

might try to get the t669 used then

oh its in my city lmfao

thanks for the advice

[warm scarab]

np

[timid echo]

@warm scarab out of all of the headphones u recommended to me could u make a quick list of them so i can look for them in the uk?

none available atm

[warm scarab]

which pricepoint again

and use case

[timid echo]

$150-$200

[warm scarab]

are you the dude i recommended the dt880

[timid echo]

yeah

but it's just that the one u recommended is out of stock atm

[warm scarab]

k

dt880 (250ohm ideally, 32ohm otherwise, dont buy 600 ohm cant run it without an amp)
hd560s
he400se (may need amplifier so second choice)
akg k612 (havent listened to it personally may not be as good as others)
pc38x

pc37x too if none of these are available

[gentle quiver]

i tried plugging my fried speakers into my amp and there was a spark (: safe to say i aint tryna fix em anymore

[steel escarp]

get fiio ft1

its really good

[timid echo]

goat bro tysm

[timid echo]

i'll check it out

[warm scarab]

fiio ft1 is new so no info available on it apart from grey

[timid echo]

does it seem good?

[lean grove]

so far everyone that's gotten it has liked it

[warm scarab]

but is it good or is it a good closed back

[steel escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtoN_lwg3o&t=484s

[warm scarab]

oh wait

[steel escarp]

no its actually better than dt880

[unique wind]

i worry about it being really muddy based on the measurements that DMS showed

[unique wind]

the bass shelf starts at 300Hz

[steel escarp]

I EQ the bass down

[warm scarab]

looks a bit much in midbass but

doesnt look intolerable

@timid echo do check this one out it looks promising

[stone quartz]

Is there must risk in going with lower impedance speakers than an amplifier specifies is the minimum?

[warm scarab]

@steel escarp how is the stage

[steel escarp]

pretty wide

[warm scarab]

i dont think you will break anything but may have poorer sonic performance

[timid echo]

as long as what i'm getting is significantly better sounding than my arias i will be happy

[steel escarp]

my personal EQ is like this

[steel escarp]

it can overheat

or start distorting

[warm scarab]

might burn something if your amp run already runs hot normally

[lean grove]

distortion probably more likely than overheating

but yeah.

[warm scarab]

it would have to be a very inefficient amp to burn

but ive seen old amps that get super hot despite being class d

with normal loads

[steel escarp]

old class D was awful

[stone quartz]

It's 4 ohm speakers into a 6-16 ohm amp, so I think it should be alright.

I'll just monitor the temperature

[lean grove]

yeah should be fine

[warm scarab]

depends on the old class d

[stone quartz]

Think this is class A/B

[warm scarab]

oh

might be an issue

what amp is it

[stone quartz]

It is a Denon AVR-3313

[warm scarab]

an a/b avr?

[stone quartz]

Might be class D actually

They don't say

I'm classing it as 125W since those 165W distortion figures are pretty poor

[warm scarab]

probably isn't a/b

they would definitely advertise it as a/b if it was that

surround and avr too

they generally dont make those anything but class d

[stone quartz]

Is that higher end than class D?

[warm scarab]

yeah

[stone quartz]

I know class A is sought after, but it seems pretty pointless given the added heat and power consumption

[warm scarab]

performance difference is open to debate but it is a differently engineered product

[stone quartz]

I could use the preamp outputs as a worst case with power amps I guess

I found a pretty cool 4 channel power amp with DSP from Thomann that could work for front and rear channels

[warm scarab]

chimera ass setup

[stone quartz]

What's that?

[timid echo]

@warm scarab all the headphones that u recommended me and that other one too, u think they will be a lot better sounding than my arias?

[warm scarab]

yes

[warm scarab]

mythological greek creature that is a monster made out of different creatures stitched together

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(mythology)

stitched together is a metaphor

[night plume]

Ok looks like my speakers are working so no need to buy a new set yet. BUT i might need a new amp/dac for my headphones tho as my FiiO E18 doesn't seem to be turning on for some reason

No lights on it even tho the usb micro is plugged in and its set to PC input

[stone quartz]

It definitely is a bit janky

[warm scarab]

fiio quality™️

[stone quartz]

They make some good stuff

K9 Pro seems like a lot of equipment for the money

[warm scarab]

lol, lmao

i mean

i guess they did release ft1

[night plume]

I have had it for about 10 years or so

[haughty girder]

I just hope the FT1 is more durable than NTH100

it's a damn shame

NTH100 was promising as another decent warm headphone but the headband started breaking.. dare I sa more than the later batch k371s

[warm scarab]

it was promising until it came out

and 1 hinge design is braindead they were absolutely asking for it

its been tried a million times, why the fuck wouldn't you use metal for this engineering fault of a hinge

[haughty girder]

lowkey

K371 if the headband was maybe a bit thicker at that single weak point and the hinge screw had some threadlocker (or maybe some other design)

it's not a bad design IMO

pretty innovative for trying to put the rotate and length together

Rode just did it completely wrong

[warm scarab]

there is no benefit

it looks cool

thats about it

[haughty girder]

I mean it's a reinventing the wheel part

but at least the wheel actually rotated

rode's was just bad.

[warm scarab]

how is it different than the yoke system though

its just shaped different

[haughty girder]

wait for which headphone

[warm scarab]

like any headphone with yokes?

6xx for example

or 400se

they all swivel enough to accustom almost all headshapes

what does rode's design provide that these don't

[haughty girder]

nono the point is that it could rotate the entire earcup into the headband

so that it's smaller to carry around

[warm scarab]

aah

the travel phone thing

i mean ig

[haughty girder]

both K371 and NTH100 was designed to be able to be used as a daily headphone and brought around

most headphones just have a hinge that folds up into the headband like the Beats studio

K361/k371 and NTH100 rotated it

I think the first headphone to do it on a consumer level would be the Beats pro? and it did it this way

so it was just a normal yoke system that happened to have a rotating mechanism in the middle of the yoke

but length and earcup swivel was all separate

K371 put the rotate and the length into a single piece

[tired crown]

Just ordered my q2u and minifuse 1 this is my first proper mic setup! I’m so excited

@lean grove thank you for the help with picking it out!

[pallid wind]

Hello! So my HyperX headset is two years old and I noticed it's starting to make crackling noises. I never knew they were owned by HP until I bought it so I'm avoiding them now. Are there any companies I should look at for around $300?

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/eOXCEsTyv7s

[pallid wind]

oh thank you. i'll start searching there.

[elder thistle]

are you looking for specifically a headset? what music or games and stuff will be played on it, and is there anything else you can say about sound or fut or isolation

[pallid wind]

I would preferr closed back headphones and i'd like to have accurate profile for watching movies and gaming. i dont have anything particular in mind right now.

[elder thistle]

hm

[pallid wind]

I know fractal design is releasing a headset but not too sure

[elder thistle]

the closed back I pull out for movies is usually the neumann ndh20, which is overbudget and full of strengths and weaknesses like anything else

the beyer dt700 pro x exists around your price, I havent heard it though

alledgedly could work well for competitive fps, and is rather accurate tonally

timbre? dynamics? microdetail? don't know

these are all very real and felt effects when listening to certain kinds of sounds

[pallid wind]

yeah i also play fps

[wild willow]

Thoughts on the nothing ear 2?

[steel escarp]

fiio ft1 beats it

[elder thistle]

wuh

[elder thistle]

in what ways would you say?

[steel escarp]

dt700 bass is mediocre

also ft1 has no front driver dampening

[haughty girder]

dt700 pro x felt good, I didn't especially like how it sounded compared to 361/371

[sleek lily]

He560v4 is back in stock

[steel escarp]

man honestly

maybe its time to sell the he1000v2 stealth

and just main fiio ft1

if they made ft1 into an open back I'd be so down to do that

Can't find any screw holes

turns out its covered by small filters for some reason

its not part of the baffle

[steel escarp]

they used torx screws as well

smh

[tired crown]

Is this a legit q2u https://a.co/d/elURPGJ

[stone quartz]

Would these outputs allow for a 7.1.4 setup?

If I use the front height and wide channels for in-ceiling speakers

Something like this, but without Atmos, since this receiver is too old

[timid echo]

@warm scarab i don't need an amp for the dt880 250ohm right?

[warm scarab]

you'd have to be unlucky

you usually dont unless you have a particularly bad or weak integrated sound card

[timid echo]

how do i know?

[warm scarab]

thats the fun part

you dont

because no one measures integrated sound cards

[timid echo]

so if it's bad what happens then

[warm scarab]

you can get a cheap amplifier

ig

or return it

will you use it with a laptop or a desktop

[timid echo]

im so lost on which to go for

[timid echo]

desktop

[warm scarab]

shouldn't be an issue

[warm scarab]

you can just return it if it doesn't work out

[timid echo]

chat gpt said that the HD560S sound the best

from the list u made me

is that accurate lol

[warm scarab]

it got revised

so not as good anymore

[timid echo]

shiii

i have like no clue on audio so

dont wanna spend 200 on headphones without making sure its the best i can go for with that price

[sleek lily]

I wouldn't trust an AI for audio advice tbh

[sleek lily]

Get he560v4 open box tbh. It's back in stock now and honestly broken value

Unless you have a very specific sound or use case you can narrow down options for

[timid echo]

Nah I’m not relying on it

Was just interested to see

What it would say

[timid echo]

Nothing specific

[timid echo]

In the U.K. ?

[sleek lily]

Hifiman should ship to uk

I know they have a uk warehouse given they have some uk only deals even

[timid echo]

I’ll check it out

Thanks

Also is there any good YouTubers that talk about audio?

Don’t see many

[sleek lily]

Imo for a generalist can it's the best under maybe $800. Beats most cans in even their niches in the sub $200 range

[sleek lily]

Headphones.com makes some

[timid echo]

apparently it's $800

and not in stock anywhere

[sleek lily]

It's $160 open box

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he560-v4.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgL-3BhDnARIsAL6KZ68VvlzCmt1PhblxH2IUXBeylgIZiBmLDRx2UfRig-nGcaMwN4gYcooaAqs3EALw_wcB

[timid echo]

what is that?

like someone opened it and returned it?

[sleek lily]

In my experience they just use open box to clear old stock

But in theory yes

[timid echo]

so technically i'm getting $800 headphones

or not rlly

[sleek lily]

Technically yes

[timid echo]

it might just be a marketing strategy

[sleek lily]

It kinda is

But that was it's MSRP before

Hifiman discounts things more competitively than most companies in the space

[timid echo]

and they don't require an amp?

[sleek lily]

Not really

They aren't too hard to get loud

But id recommend getting a magni modi stack used at least because they are a good enough sounding headphone to sound better on an amp and dac

But they will get loud enough on most onboard audio solutions or dongles

[timid echo]

my main plan was to just get some headphones with no amp

for around 150-200$

atm i have moondrop arias and i just want something better cus i dont like iems

[lean grove]

@timid echo whats wrong with the last few headphones you were told to get

[timid echo]

nothing

i just don't know which ones to go for

there's too many

and i get new recommendations every day

[lean grove]

you will probably be very happy with any of the headphones you were recommended

trying to find the "best" is never gonna happen by only talking to people on discord

we have our own favorites and we know what has been good recommendations in the past

[timid echo]

he560v4 open box, dt880 (250ohm), hd560s, akg k612, pc38x, fiio ft1

these are what i have to choose from

[lean grove]

i would give my own thumbs down on the 560v4 and the k612 but the other four have my thumbs up.

the hd560s and the pc38x are quite similarly tuned, so they can be lumped together in terms of consideration and further research

[sleek lily]

@timid echo nils likes clipping

Between all those it isn't close

Specifically for a generalist can

I can think of some specific use case cans id recommend over he560v4 in a similar price

Like 6xx for vocals

K712 maybe for stage

Stax iems for detail

[lean grove]

💀

[sleek lily]

But for just an everyday everything can it's kinda just great

[lean grove]

its built like ass is my major complaint about it

so not really a generalist if you care about that

[timid echo]

should i just go with the HE560 V4's

open box

theyre $160

[lean grove]

what do you like about them

and whats your major goal

[timid echo]

i dont know because i dont have them

i have no clue

about

audio

[timid echo]

just to get some good sounding headphones

to replace my moondrop aria earbuds

i'm gonna be video editing, watching videos, listenting to music, calling people, and some gaming

[lean grove]

i say get the 250ohm dt880s premium if you want something normal and standard. they're gonna be a bit bright, so treble maybe on par with your arias. bass is gonna be neutral.

if you want something with a mic attached get the pC38x

[timid echo]

nah no mic

i have a seperate mic

[lean grove]

then get the dt880

https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-880-Premium-250-Over-Ear-Stereo/dp/B000F2BLTM?th=1

[timid echo]

not in stock in the uk unfortunately

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-rake-spade-hoe-gif-12584055

HD560s then

its very popular

[sleek lily]

Nils is actually the king of griefing

[timid echo]

bruh what's going onn 😭

[sleek lily]

Dude recommends dt880 as a generalist to a beginner and recommends hd600 at full price for gaming

[timid echo]

i am a noob when it comes to audio

[lean grove]

BIOOC is known in the audio community for having weird pseudoscientific beliefs and gets laughed out of other servers. you can safely disregard his opinions.

[sleek lily]

@timid echo get he560v4 if what you want is something non harsh that will do everything well. If it doesn't ship to the UK get an hd560s

[lean grove]

we both agree you should get the HD560s

so take that as you will

[sleek lily]

Hd560s is a big step down in every way imo but it's my next best option

[sleek lily]

I don't really

[timid echo]

i can't tell if u guys are friends and just joking aroung

around

or if

you guys hate each other

[lean grove]

we're very much not friends :)

[timid echo]

[sleek lily]

It's more a worst case downgrade everything and get it

But otherwise it's a dumb rec if he can get he560v4

[lean grove]

the hE560v4 is a dumb rec

[sleek lily]

@lean grove elaborate

Nils I think just has some odd things against planars

[lean grove]

we both agree that the driver tech has very little to do with the final quality of the headphone

so no

[sleek lily]

That's my take but idk if it's yours

You complain about seemingly any planar and stax in general

I think you just have a bias and you want to see others fall into it

It's why you make dumb recs which are borderline griefing in the server

Like clipping amps being fine if it makes planars sound bad

Or like recommending hd600 for someone looking for good gaming cans

I could be wrong but this is what ive observed about you

and my best attempt to give your advice some benefit of the doubt to justify it

[lean grove]

@timid echo
when recommending things to noobies, i have the philosophy of do the least amount of harm.
hit for the center of the target because there is no way to know exactly what someone considers perfect without having them listen to a bunch of stuff. i have no way of talking to anyone over discord who has never heard their perfect headphone what to tell them to get.

the HD560s so far has been recommended to many people, reviewed by pretty much every audio reviewer out there, and it has delivered. it is built well, is well tuned, and is easy to drive. it is probably one of the safest picks for beginners. and even if you hate the HD560s and return them, because literally everyone has reviewed them, they are a very good place to move forward from since you can say what you didnt like about them.

the HE560v4 is not that. it is built like a plastic toy, hifiman pads are held together with a glue specifically calibrated to turn into goo in 1-2 years. the cable is stiff and wire-y and holds a curl for a very long time leaving it like a pigs tail on your desk. on top of that, almost nobody except BIOOC and me owns a pair.

the logic here, i think, is that the one that the headphone that pretty much everyone in the hifi community knows and approves of (the HD560s) is going to more likely be something you like and enjoy compared to the a very specific headphone that is currently being liquidated by a company known for being quite divisive (HE560V4).

[sleek lily]

recommends one of the worst agming headphones for $500 for gaming

least amount of harm

recommends an all round worse very bright can most people dont like over a better one cause why not

least amount of harm

also, its not llike were comparing he1 and he560v4

both are injection plastic with some metal headbands

you cant act like the entire sound aspect doesnt matter cause build when both are akin there

[lean grove]

cry about it.

[timid echo]

so it's mostly about different headphones are better for different people depending on what they prefer

it's not that one is better

than the other

[sleek lily]

kinda

there are cans that are just better than others in every way

but if you say only needed a vocal listening can a 6xx might be better

[lean grove]

yes. very much.

your ears are different from my ears. the actual shape of your ears and ear canals are like a fingerprint and will ensure that the way you percieve sound is going to be different from anyone else in the world. also the things you like about music is different than the things i like about music. and thats even assuming we listen to the same music.
and that's why you get these massive swings between people.

[sleek lily]

or if you only ndded a can for soundstage a k712 might

[steel escarp]

Aight that does it. Getting a Moondrop Dawn Pro dongle dac and pairing it with Fiio FT1. Selling the he1000v2 stealth and Violectric amplifier.

[lean grove]

reformed grey?

in 2024?

[steel escarp]

I EQ the 2k area to be like a hifiman

[timid echo]

@sleek lily do u also agree that i should go with the HD560s to see if i like them

i migh just go for it

[steel escarp]

Like seriously, why did harman think it was good the way they present it in their curve. It sounds shouty and harsh to me.

[lean grove]

.

[steel escarp]

I only like harman mids for low volume listening

[timid echo]

amazon has the hd560s for much cheaper than official site, whats the price of them in the usa?

[steel escarp]

Official website price is MSRP recommended by the manufacturer

They almost never go for that

[timid echo]

alr i think im about to order them

if they're bad i can return

[steel escarp]

@timid echo do you like bass

[timid echo]

i don't mind it

when listening to music

[steel escarp]

Are you gonna game with the headphones

[timid echo]

i had the arias before and i liked the sound of them just dont like iems

[steel escarp]

Or listen to music only

[timid echo]

not too much

well i will but

not often

and if i do its mostly games like phasmaphobia

[timid echo]

here

[steel escarp]

Are you comfortable with using EQ

[timid echo]

what's that

eaqualizer?

[steel escarp]

Yes

Equalizer

[timid echo]

never used it