audio-tech

[livid ruin]

which country?

[glacial finch]

razer log etc

[glacial finch]

croatia

[livid ruin]

eu, you can literally buy them from drop, vat won't ruin you entirely

[glacial finch]

meh its easier

this way

[livid ruin]

nvm, they're oos

[glacial finch]

https://www.instar-informatika.hr/zicane-slusalice/1700/?pr=1&minPrice=79&maxPrice=300

u can maybe finf

find sum

idk

[livid ruin]

easier but you won't be able to get the best stuff

within your budget

[glacial finch]

i mean my budhet is 150

and im only gaming

[glacial finch]

up to 200

[livid ruin]

pc38x

they have very good imaging for the price

which is important in certain games

[glacial finch]

bro i play with dinosaurs

[livid ruin]

closed back will sound like the sound is coming inside from your head

unless you spend big bucks

[glacial finch]

how about kraken v3?

hypersense

[livid ruin]

no razer headsets no

[livid ruin]

idk what's that

[glacial finch]

idk sum with razer

[livid ruin]

no.

[glacial finch]

asus rog fusion 2

[livid ruin]

you're paying 60% to the brand, 40% for the actual headphones

[livid ruin]

please

[glacial finch]

aint that like in 95% of things today

[livid ruin]

I mean, you do pay to the brand even if you go with chinese cheap shit but way less than the amounts that brands like razer charges for their peripherals

are you bass head?

if not then the he400se will do the job from aliexpress

it has good imaging but meh soundstage

[elder thistle]

what games? and what do you want to hear in them, is this about sound cues and direction, dialog, spaciousness

bass

[glacial finch]

ark raft mc

[glacial finch]

idk what to tell you

[livid ruin]

just don't buy headphones from brands like logitech, razer, asus under any circumstances

[elder thistle]

game names is a good start

[livid ruin]

you live in the eu, you can get pretty good headphones

[elder thistle]

also side comment but I would rather play cs2 with a blackshark v2x than an akg k361

[livid ruin]

gaming headphones aren't even that good for gaming, they usually just boost bass and mute 2-5.5k area and alot of the time boost mid treble which then sounds well, harsh, depends on the person

which creates the feeling of lil spaciousness at a cost of...

well, they're bad then if they over do it, which is 90% of headphones

[elder thistle]

what headphones exist in croatia

[livid ruin]

lack of clarity, they sound dirty (bass), female vocals are pushed down, they're just suck-suck but if you need to hear footsteps ig

[elder thistle]

oh website

[glacial finch]

i can send u a link

to a 2 stores

if u want

[blissful bobcat]

hd600

[livid ruin]

no bass, i'd not enjoy using them for gaming

personally

[lean grove]

What do you use right now again

[blissful bobcat]

hd600

[livid ruin]

just he400se

I can't call them enjoyable for gaming personally, gun shots or such

like the imaging for me is the only thing holding me using them for games

otherwise I just switch back to the modded hd681's

if I don't use eq

if the he400se's had a +3db boost from 100hz down to sub bass i'd call the bass sufficient, but whatever

the kph30i's I didn't enjoy like at all

well, they weren't bad but i'd not use them over my other headphones

[glacial finch]

whats ur opinion

on philips ones

[livid ruin]

shp9600?

[glacial finch]

well any headphones from philips

shall i get philips maybe

and buy a mic?

[livid ruin]

they're just okay, really depends on the specific models

any headphone from sennheiser could mean like...

[glacial finch]

TAH8506BK

[livid ruin]

garbage from sennheiser or goat

[livid ruin]

no idea what's that

[glacial finch]

i found sennheiser ones

Accentum

[livid ruin]

get hd560s

[glacial finch]

they are 200 bucks

gawd damn

[livid ruin]

even the new version is incomparably better than what you've named so far

[livid ruin]

weird, should be like 150

[glacial finch]

eh

import etc

gotta make money somehow

ig

[livid ruin]

still better than the other ones you named

[livid ruin]

try from germany

shipping should be like 15 bucks max, price of the headphones 150

[glacial finch]

170 euros

[livid ruin]

go to something like idealo and check which retailer sells ships them to croatia

[glacial finch]

are headphones good?

shall i buy them

i can overpay a lil

[livid ruin]

just buy the hd560s, they're solid

or the he400se and buy some cheap amp and eq them

[glacial finch]

and what mic

[livid ruin]

anything is pretty much better than most headphone mics

a 20 buck mic should be fine

my recommendation is probs outdated but fifine has k669b which is alr mic

i'm not a mic guy so, i'd recommends what someone says below (just not something that's gamery overpriced shit)

[elder thistle]

wait this is this conversation

uh modern hd560s pretty overpriced for what it offers at 170 euro

but despite it's treble issues and not being as detailed as it should be for that price, the presentation is cool

it has some soundstage things and supports inoffensive tone and bass

so it really is a solution

not my last choice personally

[livid ruin]

I liek the 560s

[livid ruin]

used are an option

[elder thistle]

I got my hd560s used and one earpad was deflated more than the other

I had to buy replacement earpads and finally found the official ones, but they are different earpads and do change the sound a lot

but most of that is reversible with eq

and,

free bass efficiency/headroom

[livid ruin]

can you gib 8-20k sweep

[elder thistle]

if it's a rew export setting maybe, though this audio goes through my neutral approximation target curve

otherwise would need to rerecord and I don't have that much time

I have lots of measurement data on the new vs old hd560s plus earpad shenanigans

I tried

uncompensated

[livid ruin]

hmm

[blissful garden]

Guys is the Sony WHCH720N the best for its price range?

[kindred cloak]

I know this quite audio tech but not sure where else to ask. I used to use SteelSeries Sonar, and one feature I really miss is the ability to create virtual devices with preset equalizer settings for different activities like gaming, music, and movies. This allowed me to use multiple presets at once. Now that I’m using Equalizer APO, I can only use one preset at a time and have to manually change it for each activity. Is there a way to replicate this functionality with Equalizer APO?

[haughty girder]

best what

[steel escarp]

I think you can do that with some virtual audio cables. There are a lot of programs that go by that name and I couldn't tell ya which one is the correct one.

But just curious, when using EQ APO you include several config files in your main config.txt, right? You can switch between them by enabling/disabling included configs. Isn't that easier than having a virtual device for every preset

[livid ruin]

for sound? not really

[blissful garden]

music

to listen

[livid ruin]

no

jbl tune 710bt's or maybe 720bt's

these have solid sound sub 60 buck

or if you don't need wireless then he400se at 60

[elder thistle]

yes, easy. uninstall peace

and use graphic eq modules to creat the eq's

not only can you have many to turn on, but you can overlap them

[zealous prism]

what are some cheap iems you guys could recommend

[zealous prism]

actually diff question, how big would the jump be from apple earbuds to truthear zero reds

[lean grove]

Like going from 480pp to 1440p

[zealous prism]

oki, i bought some

[molten lotus]

guys what are some good wired earbuds under £100, i keep seeing random chinese brands on amazon so idk what to get at this point

[blissful garden]

galaxy buds pro

[tender frost]

Wired

[blissful garden]

oh shit

[molten lotus]

for pc gaming, i want wired

[warm scarab]

zero reds

[tired crown]

truthear reds

[brisk topaz]

he got them

any way guys what mic should i get?

i got £50

can extend above that if the quality is good

[lean grove]

Take a look at the atr2100x and get a boom arm for it.

[brisk topaz]

honestly i’m fine with just a mic stand

this the one?

[warm scarab]

do you guys have any keyboard recommendations for sub 150ish$

[buoyant vale]

https://www.amazon.com/3797266-E-Z-Keyboard-English-alphabetical-order/dp/B004YTPFQC

[warm scarab]

no like a music keyboard

[brisk topaz]

lmao

[warm scarab]

bad idea

[brisk topaz]

why

[warm scarab]

%90 of mic quality is based on distance and placement, desk stands don't offer that, also keyboard noise

[buoyant vale]

https://www.amazon.com/3797266-E-Z-Keyboard-English-alphabetical-order/dp/B004YTPFQC
and
https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/live/

[brisk topaz]

i have an adjustable desk

[warm scarab]

unless you are chair goblining it will be insufficient

[brisk topaz]

very adjustable

i’ll be fine

[warm scarab]

generally for ergonomics you'd want to position the mic where you want it to be instead of the mic positioning where you'll be lmao

[brisk topaz]

i’m rarely going to use it anyway tbf

[warm scarab]

you should get a modmic antlion then

[brisk topaz]

i will

[warm scarab]

grab an antlion man

save yourself headache

[brisk topaz]

nah i’m good

i’d prefer a standing mic instead of an earpiece

also i’m using iems and glasses so it’ll be quite clunky wearing 3 things on my head

[silk vector]

any recommendations for budget (~$100) desktop speakers?

[lean grove]

Okay. Just keep in mind your mic will pick up whatever is closest to it.

So if your mouth is close, it'll pick up mostly your voice.

If your keyboard and mouse are right in front of it, your friends are gonna be getting some desk noises ASMR.

[brisk topaz]

it’s gonna be on the left side of my desk so at most it will pick up a few keys

but even then my keyboard is pretty quiet

[warm scarab]

most of the audio travels through the desk and not through the air so its a bigger issue than you think, this is why you get an arm, so the mounting point it further away from the keyboard

[brisk topaz]

fair

[brisk topaz]

what friend

[sleek lily]

New favorite closed back

[sudden lodge]

Noooooo, my HD DJ 8 from Sennheiser is cracking in half. I bought these the day I heard Linus squeal at their bass.

They aren't made anymore :(, I've a feeling I was amongst the last few people buying earpad replacements from Amazon for these.

I don't even know what's comparable in the market these days.

[lean grove]

Snapheiser strikes again

[lean grove]

What did you like about them and what price bracket are you thinking of? Theres probably something comparable.

[sudden lodge]

I really like the bass clarity and how that doesn't muddle out any of the other noises, I listen to a lot of EDM. I like how they are closed back and block enough ambient noise
I have a Fiio EK10 and and have EQ software installed on my PC so I'm not afraid of tuning things to my liking, so if a headset has the ability to be amazing bass machines but some crazy designer has them out of box tuned for super harsh treble I'm able to fix that (||looking at you Simgot EM6L with your insane ear-piercing hiss treble, product would have been trash if I'd been on a phone/device without a EQ||)

That being said, I basically stopped playing online games because these DJ8s didn't have a mic attached, I bought a desk mic but I hate having them on the desk and I've never once been able to make a modmic not sound like Xboxlive on dialup so I got rid of that thing ages ago.
I do sometimes wonder if there's a good USB headset with mic or if I should just stick to never playing online games again.

Oh price bracket? I dunno, I could buy the last pair of the same headset on Ebay for 200 bucks so I spose' that price will do.

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/r8nama8l9qY

https://youtu.be/4tL7nVrLOxw

I'm like 80% sure the meze boom mic can fit on the ft-1

[sudden lodge]

Assume my motherboard has Realtek HD audio from 1996 and a 3.5mm audio input will be about the quality of the Zalman clip on mic that doesn't seem to be able to record you in the same room but will perfectly encapsulate what the cat is doing to the litterbox across the whole house.
Is there a suggested USB version of a attachable microphone?

[lean grove]

You can make it USB with a dongle.

Apple USB type C headphone adapter

Has a surprisingly good ADC in it.

[sudden lodge]

Oh that's good then, I completely threw my modmic away in frustration because no one could understand me. I think they eventually made a USB one much later but I never checked back in with them

Thanks for the suggestions, I will put these on the list and keep looking till these finally snap apart on me.

[elder thistle]

woah I like this

now we only need a mini-xlr boom mic

[lean grove]

Mini XLR will fix the rotating mic problem too

[elder thistle]

is this the real hd620s

[stone quartz]

Love mini XLR

Best connector for headphones

Does anyone know of some speakers which can play loud with good fidelity?

85dB+

[sleek lily]

A real 620 Sennheiser could have released without lying to consumers lol

[elder thistle]

the baffle of the hd265 looks extremely hd6x0

and what I can see of the driver

but it's 150 ohms?

[sleek lily]

because it is a 6x0

more specifically its a closed back 565

which was part of that family when the 580 launched

they use a 150ohm version of the driver

it uses an aluminum coil

but distorts less and behaves much better

[sleek lily]

It also uses the thinnest baffle

It's still silk but lower density than 580 baffle

[sleek lily]

Which is ideal for that driver

Sennheiser went in the right direction with that family but then suddenly decided to slowly ruin the family of headphones in some crusade to make the 6x0 series more like bose for God knows what reason

Just making the baffles progressively thicker to get more midbass on a cup and driver design that loses a lot of dynamics and impact as bass is boosted

Ironically that thin baffle is the most bassy sounding in spite of being the least bassy because of that

The newer 6x0 still have their pros to them but it's upsetting if you hear how far they fell side by side

But 265 is a closed back made of the best gen of that family

@elder thistle I'll send you a pic of the damping later

But it basically plugs the pole vent and clips to the plastic part of the driver then damps the rest with 1 not so dense but thick piece of foam

It's crazy how well that driver handles being closed

[rocky linden]

this shit is exceptionally good

it improved the loudness an the bass immeditlay

[haughty girder]

yea bass isn't everything when it comes to audio quality

[waxen sonnet]

Oh boy

[rocky linden]

yeah but i like basey shit

[real eagle]

what are good iems for gaming like pubg, and stuff for around 100 or so

[brisk topaz]

truthear crinacle zeros

red ones preferably

[real eagle]

are red ones better or is it just the color?

[real eagle]

and can i connect them directly into pc or do i need something else

are that would be better

[brisk topaz]

it has better tuning

the blue ones are to the harman curve (which is the standard for regular users) and the red ones are tuned to crinacles preferences

so get the blue ones if you want the more basic tuning get the reds if you want customised tuning

also it’s just a 3.5mm jack so it goes directly in your pc

[real eagle]

thanks

when i buy from alibaba can i just buy any cable for it?

[brisk topaz]

yeah there’s a detachable cable

the included one is good anyway so you probably won’t need to remove it

for the blue ones that is for the red ones i’m pretty sure they do have a detachable cable

[tender frost]

So eq more bass in with something like equaliserapo rather than applying the mud filter that comes baked into windows

[blissful garden]

Guys which headphone is better Sony WHCH720N or Skullcandy Hesh ANC?

[pliant crow]

anyone recommend some production headphones for under 100?

no mic

wireless

[warm scarab]

production headphones
wireless

[pliant crow]

just something cheap and wireless to make beats

than

[warm scarab]

use whatever then

there are no wireless production headphones

[pliant crow]

anything you suggest in specific?

[warm scarab]

i mean it will have to be a gaming headset or a travel headphone

jbl tune 710 is alright

[stone quartz]

I wonder if I could use this as audio tape

0.5 inches fits some reel to reel machines I think

[warm scarab]

should you

[peak root]

Anyone recommend a good wireless gaming headset for around £100-150? My artics 7 died after a year.
Was looking at astro A50 but they seem a bit outdated and have quality control issues

[blissful garden]

Razer ones

[graceful tapir]

thoughts on the moondrop space travel's

[steel escarp]

EPOS Sennheiser GSP 600

various color options

the white ones look sick

they are around 130 euros here

hmm its not wireless tho

[molten lotus]

Hey can someone answer this question for me? So you know how the sound card of some PCs have a bunch of different 2.5mm ports. Like a green one, an orange one, a black one and etc. According to the internet, the green one is for line out, the black one is for surround or rear speakers, and orange is for subwoofer. Anyway, can someone explain what the difference is between the green one and the orange one? Like if I plug my headphones into the orange one, would I only hear the low frequencies? I'm interested 🙏

[rocky linden]

i have zero idea about what u just said

[steel escarp]

who the heck writes Equalizer APO like "equalizerapo"

[lean grove]

If you set it up correctly and have something with 5.1 surround sound audio, you will hear a subwoofer in one ear and the center channel in another ear.

As long as you make sure it starts off at low volume it should be harmless to play around with.

[steel escarp]

subbass is not directional

[lean grove]

Grey

This is for line outputs on the back of a motherboard

[steel escarp]

below about 80Hz

idc

[lean grove]

I can see you don't care because you're not reading

This dude wants to plug headphones into his 5.1 channels.

[steel escarp]

make him fry the output stage

[lean grove]

Mobos often pair the center channel with the subwoofer channel in one 3.5mm stereo output

If you plug headphones into this

One ear will have the center channel

One ear will have the subwoofer channel

[steel escarp]

I see

[steel escarp]

you wrote your sentence weird

[lean grove]

If you read what I was replying to it becomes a lot less weird

[steel escarp]

I aint gonna lie

my brain is completely cooked

[lean grove]

I can tell

[steel escarp]

from rewriting the most horrific code I have ever seen for 3 weeks straight

man, having a speaker system would be kinda cool

but dual monitor people will forever suffer

lmao the first video

Kali LP-UNF good?

oh cool he had the cayin iha-8 at his desk

[lean grove]

For the money yeah.

[steel escarp]

sounds good to me

[cosmic wraith]

Meze heaphone ok?

[steel escarp]

Meze 99, no

Meze 109 pro, only if you have hearing damage

[lean grove]

Meze liric gets a thumbs up from me

[steel escarp]

the original one

not the newer one

[lean grove]

Haven't heard the newer one but yeah

[stone quartz]

Is the xDuoo xD05 Plus2 a bad headphone amp?

As soon as I get it anywhere near a reasonable listening volume, it distorts like crazy.

When I have a slight bass boost applied, at least.

It's specific to the Bluetooth mode, so maybe it's a poor implementation

[lean grove]

Sounds like it.

[steel escarp]

what headphones are you using

it has 2vrms power and the distortion they list doesn't seem bad either

maybe you managed to clip the dac by bass boosting

[lean grove]

Oh wait

If it's the bass boost while Bluetooth

Maybe you're just clipping the input

Cuz yeah it says it can do 1200 mW.

I doubt you're hitting those levels

[steel escarp]

the Apos x Audio-Technica ATH-R70x is 100% a scam

[stone quartz]

I did turn the preamp setting way down in my EQ app hoping that would help

[steel escarp]

press the limit button

[stone quartz]

Ah

[steel escarp]

wait

you already have a big negative preamp

[stone quartz]

Yeah

And limit was already on

[steel escarp]

does adjusting the preamp actually affect loudness

[stone quartz]

Quite a lot

[steel escarp]

then it has to be working

[stone quartz]

I have to nearly max volume at -12

Guess I'll just have to use this for rock music only lol

Not so bass heavy

[lean grove]

See if the bass distorts if you just listen really loud

With default settings

[stone quartz]

It does at 100%

But that's intolerably loud

At around 80 it's fine

Just noticed that the bass is perfectly reasonable with the EQ disabled anyway

[steel escarp]

@lean grove did u see this btw

looks like fun for gaming

[lean grove]

Yeah looks not too shabby

[cosmic wraith]

Meze 99 neo ok?

[steel escarp]

no 💀

[cosmic wraith]

Ok

[stone quartz]

I can't stand that plastic window on the front of master speaker

[warm scarab]

great for the price

wired is still leagues better though

[warm scarab]

did you configure the dvc thingy in power amp eq

[stone quartz]

I did give that a go, but it makes the music so quiet

I have to max out both the phone and the amplifier

[warm scarab]

that's how you avoid clipping

it adds a negative preamp so you avoid the exact issue which you are asking us to solve

there is a reason they give you a warning about it lol

also you have a -10dB slider in the eq preset you sent

set that to 0 and give dvc -10dB headroom instead

or -5dB, should work fine

[stone quartz]

I'll try that, thanks

If it's still an issue I'll probably use USB mode

I tried the EQ on the device itself and that seemed to help

I assume it applies it after the Bluetooth

[warm scarab]

idk

probably

[stone quartz]

DVC is an improvement

Still can't push it to anywhere near the level I can with USB, but it's good enough

[blissful garden]

Guys what wireless headphone is best for around 120 or 130 dollars

[kindred cloak]

How would I make the seperate devices though?

[sleek lily]

What's wrong with it?

Not disagreeing

Not agreeing either

Just inquiring

[livid ruin]

Technicas are overpriced imo too

[graceful tapir]

I wanted something wireless, I've heard good abt that and the Soundpeets A20i's

I'm thinking of going with the Moondrop's cus it's apparently really good straight out the box and it's tuning is on par with some of the more expensive iem's in the market

[steel escarp]

They are being really obscure about what they changed in the drop version.

[blissful garden]

Guys is the Sony WHCH720 a good headphone?

[warm scarab]

not really but they are really good for their price i recommend them

[sleek lily]

That's fair. Companies in the audio space really do like being non transparent for some reason lol

But also people in audio space seem to prefer companies being non transparent

I think more people got upset that I was looking into sennheisers claims that the hd620 uses a 600 series driver than took note or got upset at Sennheiser for lying to them

[chrome island]

It's ok as BT headphones go, but it has all the BT headphone issues you get going with BT

[warm scarab]

for gaming or travel

[blissful garden]

listening to music

[warm scarab]

do you have any plans on gaming on them ever

because with bluetooth that wont be possible

[blissful garden]

maybe use them for my ps5

but mostly for music

[warm scarab]

it will have a ton of delay

if you ever plan on using voip or doing gaming you shouldn't get bluetooth

if you do then you'll want a gaming headset

[blissful garden]

imma mostly listen to music

so

whats the best one for that

[warm scarab]

jbl tune 710 probably

[blissful garden]

oh

what about soundcore or sony

i've used jbl and they're good but not really great

[warm scarab]

drop brand loyalty

for every 1 item a brand has they have 99 shit ones

jbl isn't an exception

[blissful garden]

sony whch720n?

[warm scarab]

nor is sony

[warm scarab]

lets see

boomy mid bass

pass

its not atrocious but like

not better than tune 710

[blissful garden]

i see

[chrome island]

both JBL 710 and sony 720 has similar pros and cons, if you ever plan on repairing something like dead battery on them sony over JBL, but 710 has a tamer tuning

[blissful garden]

Guys which is better headphone Sony WHCH720N or JBL Live 770NC?

[bold crag]

Hi guys, I am looking for a budget friendly dac.

[lean grove]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MW2Q3AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

[bold crag]

I have two krk classic speakers each with an xlr to 1/4" cable. Was wondering what dac I can use

[bold crag]

I have this currently but it doesn't work, keeps a lot of static.

I've tried my friends focusrite solo 4th gen and it fixed the static

For context, I recently built a PC and when plugging in my usbc dac dongle it ended up giving a lot of static

[lean grove]

interesting. well. nothing budget friendly comes to mind off the top of my head. @elder thistle might have some insight.

[steel escarp]

only plug it into the rear IO of your motherboard

[dawn ice]

https://hifigo.com/products/moondrop-dawn-pro?variant=44039872807151

much lower noise then apple dong and sounds a lot better

[haughty girder]

I don't think it's neccesary to go Dawn Pro if you're just using single ended

it's also not the most budget friendly

[dawn ice]

its 40e, thats very budget friendly

also, im pretty sure its the cheapest cs43131 chipset, which maks it the cheapest dongle worth buying

[haughty girder]

HiBy FC1

[haughty girder]

far from it

[dawn ice]

fc1 is more expensive and inferior chipset

[haughty girder]

Tempotec Sonata HD 3

Pretty sure HiBy W3ii is cheaper too despite it being a bluetooth dacamp

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-fight-pelea-monos-cuchillos-gif-13300071

[dawn ice]

tempotec costs the same as dawn. Personally id trust moondrop over tempo, which ive never heard of before

but that one seems aight

either way, 40e is cheap as hell for a pretty solid dac/amp

[haughty girder]

Tempotec is pretty known

ok so

[dawn ice]

maybe ive just not come across there stuff

[haughty girder]

rn

I'd say

Moondrop Dawn Pro if you want metal chassis and balanced output

HiBy W3ii if you're fine with single ended and bluetooth is a bonus

Granted you can't get the Tempotec, FC1 is pretty much as good imo but if you just want CS43131

[dawn ice]

cs43131 is one of the best portable chipsets and you can get it for cheap

personally, id look for said chipset specifically

sounds a lot more natural and enjoyable to listen to then anything saber makes

hiby w3 II is an interesting find

[haughty girder]

I'm familiar with the W3ii because I was looking for a bluetooth dacamp

Was about to get the Ifi blu

but then it showed up and I was like yo this is cheap

works really well

[dawn ice]

yah looks like a sweet little device

might cop it to try it out

[haughty girder]

I've got the yellow one ye

it works fine

[dawn ice]

noic

[warm scarab]

chief

i recommended the 710 with reason

because you increase the number next to the headphone doesn't make it better

[blissful garden]

oh

ok then because i thought 770 was better

[warm scarab]

I mean truth be told I don't know the 770 well but you get a different headphone not a better one generally

I'll compare them tomorrow

[blissful garden]

oh alright let me know if its better than whch720 please!

[warm scarab]

710 was better than whch720

[blissful garden]

oh

[blissful garden]

I bought the White WHCH720N guys

[livid ruin]

why did you ask for advice when you bought the garbage anyway?

the tune 710bt are just better

prob the 720bt as well

as said bigger number ≠ better
they have different tuning but it does not mean it’s better, for most people the 710bt would be more neutral

[blissful garden]

It's not garbage and it's my choice

[blissful garden]

Just because your rich ass can afford the high end ones does not mean everything else is garbage

[livid ruin]

710bt’s are literally cheaper

[livid ruin]

well, it is compared to the 710’s or other non wireless alternatives

[blissful garden]

I wasn't talking about 710s

[blissful garden]

That's just your taste so

[livid ruin]

harman is average preference, the yours you bought aren’t following any target, their response is messy

most people don’t like muddy headphones or ones that lack clarity decently

[blissful garden]

I tried it out and it sounded amazing

[livid ruin]

and are bright at the same time

[blissful garden]

What is bro on to

[livid ruin]

literally 80% of people that own razer headphones and haven’t tried better stuff say that

[blissful garden]

It's more than enough for an average listener like me

And I've used JBL before

[livid ruin]

some of their headphones suck too and when and which model?

[livid ruin]

what doesn’t mean you should buy worse headphones when the other option is just better

[blissful garden]

I've used 510 or 520 and also Live 660 or smth

The lives were decent but 510s just sucked

[livid ruin]

you mean they weren’t comfortable?

that’s fair point

[blissful garden]

Nah it's not I've tried them

[livid ruin]

but 510’s sound okay

[blissful garden]

That too

[blissful garden]

Compared to WHCH720 they suck yeah

The lives were decent though

live 660 or smth idk

[livid ruin]

mostly for you really, for other people on average, not really

[blissful garden]

I love bass more than anything else

And JBL doesn't have amazing bass

[livid ruin]

yeah, the whch720’s are very bassy and warm

I wouldn’t like that at all

[blissful garden]

So yeah that's exactly what I said

That's your taste

[livid ruin]

any bass that’s over harman is just too much for me

[blissful garden]

But don't call them garbage

[livid ruin]

no* your taste lmao

that you like ‘em

[blissful garden]

Yeah it is my taste that I like them

wdym

[livid ruin]

but you haven’t tried better stuff

the lives and the 500 series is mid

[blissful garden]

I have tried a couple JBLs

[livid ruin]

not the good ones though

model to model bud

[blissful garden]

Well the best I can imagine those "good ones" to be is as far as how the WHCH720 goes

I also saw sound samples

[livid ruin]

you can’t say they’re good without trying the 710bt’s can comparing them

[blissful garden]

...

[livid ruin]

did you hear the 710’s?

[blissful garden]

Yes

[livid ruin]

I feel like you’re just lying to make a point

[blissful garden]

Okay

Lemme find it rq

The one I saw

[livid ruin]

also, sound samples aren’t the most accurate with measuring rigs because even slightest change to ear shape may make the sound different with trebles, resonances etc…
but they do the job decently unless you have some copycat one or really shitty rig
they won’t make a headphone muddy tho

if you meant that

also, the fact you’re using your output to hear them makes it much worse

unless you use eq to counter it

but that’s also not ideal

it won’t make day and night difference but you will hear the difference

and if you actually tried the 710bt’s why you didn’t mention it in the first place

if I look up across couple fr charts the whcn’s are just messy, no way they sound good to most of the population if they would actually try something good

but if you want you can send me the sound sample

you probably say that a gaming headset sounds good considering what you like, muddy + dark&bright headphone tbh

but if you actually think they’re the best or good for the price… well, then nice congrats
but don’t recommend them to other people

[warm scarab]

that says more about your standards than it does of the headphones

what makes it a given that the other headphone wouldn't be even better

[buoyant vale]

Let him be lofi

[haughty moon]

what are the major difference in sound between the akg k371 and the shure srh840

someone I know is looking for closed back that has good passive sound isolation and doesn't leak
he hesitates between the K371, the srh840 and the dt770

[sleek lily]

@haughty moon just get the closed back 6x0 for less than $50

[elder thistle]

the srh840 doesnt have sound isolation because its probably already
broken at the hinge before you can talk about it. its possibly the most fatal widespread design flaw in headphone history

only consider the A variants

the hinge was replaced with a square inch of contact surface and a bolt

also the sound isolation on the 840A is the strongest compared to dt770 and k371

[haughty moon]

ok thanx

[livid ruin]

i’d prob get the srh840’s if he wants isolation

btw srh840’s or srh840a’s?

[haughty moon]

840a

[livid ruin]

so the bassy version

[haughty moon]

are they sounding very different ?

the non a vs the a ?

[livid ruin]

they quite do

[haughty moon]

and sound quality between k371 and the srh840a ?
which one have the better tuning ?

[livid ruin]

the non a has quick sub bass drop off after 100hz and the a has little less significant one and the rest is basicly incomparable as well

[livid ruin]

i’d personally get the k371’s for sound
but if he wants isolation then the shures

[haughty moon]

ok
thanx

are the K371 that bad for sound isolation ?

[livid ruin]

they’re not but if he really wants the isolation

[haughty moon]

ok
so not bad at it but just not the best

clearly not open back level lack of sound isolation

thanx for the input

[elder thistle]

personally I prefer the 440A over the k371 because the bass has more impact and the treble more airy and detailed. the issue I have with the k371 is that whenever multiple sounds overlap at the same time, the overall clarity goes down really fast. it's akin to many $30 headphones in this way

I don't have the 840A

[haughty moon]

really good to know

[elder thistle]

e

alledgedly the 840A is more natural sounding and wider / more soundstage

the k371 might be something I'd use in calmer genres like rap and solo guitar songs compared to edm and metal

even though the midrange can become really cluttered, it's also really realistic and smooth when it's not overwhelmed

[topaz swift]

For the drummers- what you you think about the Yamaha EAD10?

[queen oar]

Can anyone recommend some headphones for the gym because I stupidly thought it would be a good idea to buy studio 3's, they broke and got quoted £230 to fix 💀

[bold crag]

Hi guys, I have a computer that I built. When I hook up my usb-c dac to the computer I get a lot of static noise. When I connect it to a friend's DAC the static goes away. What would be the reason for the difference? Quality of the DAC? Should I try to purchase a different DAC and see if it solves it? Is my PSU not that grounded?

[topaz swift]

Studio 3s are a royal waste of money

Personally I’d recommend IEMs, since I’ve used the studio 3s in my personal experience, and I’m using IEMs now and I think they sound better. Only disadvantage is the bass is lacking in some pairs

https://www.amazon.com/TRUTHEAR-Crinacle-Zero-Ear-Headphone/dp/B0CM3GGZDZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?

If you truly want headphones, and are better than the studio 3 then here are these:

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-WH-1000XM5-Canceling-Headphones-Hands-Free/dp/B09XS7JWHH/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?

[topaz swift]

If you have to set the volume higher on your friends DAC, then your DAC probably is amped too much and that static is a louder version of static you can’t normally hear

For example- if I plug my earbuds in directly to my motherboard I hear no static. When I plug them into my microphone, I have to set the pc volume quieter, to get the same audio volume. This also causes static because the microphone doubles as an amplifier.

[warm scarab]

psu/motherboard isolation

your house may also have unclean power

[lean grove]

@topaz swift something to keep in mind is that iems have the sweat problem

[warm scarab]

rinse it carfully

[lean grove]

so if someone is taking them to the gym, then you probably want something that was build with sweat in mind

[warm scarab]

its fine you are just bad

[lean grove]

klaus you may not know this but most of the time when people go to the gym, they don't make a b-line for the women's lockerroom with a lockpick in hand.

they go to work out and get sweaty and that moisture and salt accumulates

[warm scarab]

you can do that at home

cringe

homegym supremacy

[bold crag]

volume was low on my friend's dac.

[bold crag]

we tried it on his pc on the same outlet and his pc didn't have any issues

so i imagine this is a problem w/ my mobo or psu?

[warm scarab]

sounds like it

there are usb passthroughs to clean power

maybe invest into one of those

[lean grove]

https://jdslabs.com/product/synapse/

[bold crag]

would this be a miswiring on my end (like to mobo pins or something?)

[warm scarab]

shouldn't generally

Ive never heard of that happening but I don't want to claim its impossible either

[bold crag]

ig since i just built this last weekend, I still have microcenter's warranty on many of the parts

yeah

[warm scarab]

but something would probably break if you miswired it

electrical interference is generally a design thing

not shielding the dac properly

[bold crag]

ah okay

tbh my other msi mobo back home has the same issue

[warm scarab]

actually wait

psu thing in your case

since you are using a usb dac

or maybe the hub is not shielded well contrary to the built in dac

[bold crag]

wait what about the psu? 😛

[bold crag]

hub you are referring to the back ports?

[warm scarab]

usb hub

[bold crag]

oh i plug the usbc dac into the back of the mobo

[warm scarab]

try the front

it can sometimes solve the issue

[bold crag]

yeah same behavior on the front

[warm scarab]

definitely a psu thing then

[bold crag]

oh really?

should i try to swap out my psu

[elder thistle]

what would this do

maybe there's a dongle with good power filtering

[craggy pumice]

I remember linus and luke saying astro headphones are terrible. Im using astro a10's and I really like them, they have been alot more durable than previous razor headphones, and at a good price. Why do they say they are bad? Also im looking for recommendations to upgrade to, as long as it is wired and from a major brand because I dont want to deal with ordering them, thanks!

any thoughts on SteelSeries Arctis Nova 3? Im considering getting them

[sinful wasp]

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[bold crag]

My current dac gets it from the USB

[lean grove]

so linus is probably talking about "in the grand scheme of things" because 99% of the stuff out there is really quite bad compared to hifi/studio stuff.
if you have your headphones and you like them, then really it doesn't matter how bad someone else thinks they are. they're good for you.
if you want upgrades, take a look at this video. i think its one of the more comprehensive and well-informed guides out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOXCEsTyv7s

[sinful wasp]

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[lean grove]

theres no guarantee that taking it off the bus will improve things.

it wont isolate the dac

[sinful wasp]

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[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sinful wasp]

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[lean grove]

sure but there's still gonna be a ground connection to the usb wont there?

needs some reference voltage from the PC to make the bits bleep and bloop

[sinful wasp]

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[lean grove]

hm. alright. i believe you.

its just that all these fancy dacs in the thousands of $$$ advertise galvanic isolation for a reason

but they also use external power supplies

[sinful wasp]

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[lean grove]

for sure

[sinful wasp]

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[lean grove]

i can justify mine. kinda.

the justification is that it matches my much more justifiable amp

[sinful wasp]

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[bold crag]

Gotcha, so just too much noise in the motherboard?

[sinful wasp]

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[bold crag]

I see, that makes sense

[sinful wasp]

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[bold crag]

Yeah and I've tested w/ two dacs that have been externally powered

Both have solved my issue

I just bought a behringer UM2, hopefully that'll work for me 🙂

[sinful wasp]

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[elder thistle]

linus also thinks the modern macbook speakers sound good

so shit taste tbh

[sinful wasp]

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[elder thistle]

it's a laptop

not real speakers

[sinful wasp]

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[stone quartz]

Am I sacrificing sound quality if I wall mount a sealed speaker?

I heard it's bad to do it with a rear ported one

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[stone quartz]

Hoping to mount my computer monitors to the wall and my speakers either side with the cables embedded in the wall

To achieve a floating effect

[sinful wasp]

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[stone quartz]

I think the aesthetics will be worth a very slight compromise to sound

I have a subwoofer anyway, so the speakers don't play anything below 80 Hz

[idle moth]

im so tired of earbuds

they might sound the best but half the time im struggling to put them in correctly

from tatotronics 73 or something it was called, none of those swappable ear plug fitted me

they either are muffled or pop out

are there any compact headphones within a tight budget that are good?

like up to 60$

[wintry mirage]

is a optical input better than a normal rca input

[warm scarab]

depends on context

[wintry mirage]

its going from my pc to amp

im still buying stuff for the audio upgrade so i might have more stuff that uses it in the future

[tired crown]

Not really any headphones I’d suggest under $60 they all are kinda shit at that price

[wintry mirage]

jbl have some good budget headphones

i used some for about 5 years without them having any issues

[lean grove]

Hard to say. You can have optical going into a really shitty DAC and it's gonna be worse than if you'd used rca from something else with an okay DAC.

So if these are both coming out of your PC, I'd probably bet money on optical being better.

But it's kinda like asking "what's better. Making food at home or eating out?"

[wintry mirage]

someone said its worth buying one of these network streaming boxes idk what it was called

that uses optical or rca

not sure if its worth buying one of them network music players

i also noticed there is a coaxial input on my amp does anyone know what thats good for

[lean grove]

Coax is a different form of optical pretty much

[wintry mirage]

so it doesnt really matter which one i use

[lean grove]

Technically it does, but realistically no

If you have a bunch of measurement gear you'd be able to find out what's optimal.

But since you don't, it's not worth your time to verify what's "best"

[wintry mirage]

i have a multimeter

and a digital vernier

not sure how helpful that would be

[lean grove]

None.

But like i said, it's not worth your time.

You can plug it in. See if it sounds good enough. And then use it if it doesn't.s

If you can't hear a difference then it's not something you need to worry about.

[wintry mirage]

i was just asking for when i upgrade my pc to see if its worth getting a motherboard with optical

[lean grove]

Oh. Why didn't you ask that to begin with.

Usb DACs are fine.

Unless you have a really bad electrical noise problem, there's nothing wrong with USB and it's generally better than optical

[wintry mirage]

that is an issue currently

the normal 3.5mm output has a lot of noise

when my gpu or network is under load

[white gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOvubnenXyo

[lean grove]

I'm not talking about the 3.5mm on your PC I'm talking about finding a DAC with USB on it.

[wintry mirage]

ill have a look

ill go back to the audio shop when i have more money and ask them which one to buy

[ebon summit]

Are the Nothing Ear 3 good?

[tired crown]

Beats Studio plus or jbl live pro 2

[lean grove]

Why those two specifically

[tired crown]

From all my research they are best for my price point

I want decent noise canceling and want to stay around $150

[lean grove]

Hm. So what's got you hung up about them?

[tired crown]

Wdym

[lean grove]

What's got you stuck? What are you indecisive about?

[tired crown]

i was just wondering what is best of the 2

[elder thistle]

depends how you define good. but I have many I prefer over my iems

[idle moth]

i want my hearing protected

i dont want to wear buds or iems all the time

cuz i dont want to damage my hearing

[elder thistle]

[idle moth]

i mean

i think that's how it works

at first putting the sound directly inside your ear seems more damaging over time

than keeping a lil distance

but what do i know

i dont know anything really

thats why im aksing

[tired crown]

all its doing is stretching your ear a tad

not a issue at all

the sound is doing the same to your ear

no matter how it does into your ear its doing the same it wont be worse

[lean grove]

Impossible for anyone to say what's "best" for you.

If I were to tell you what I think would be "best" it might be something you absolutely don't care about.

Or maybe we both want the same thing but for different purposes. ANC on a plane is gonna be different from ANC in a mall. Or maybe I have weird ear holes and I say it's super uncomfy and irritating and you have the perfect ear shape for it.

So like. "Best" is really an unanswerable question

Without you personally trying both

You can't really pull up the specs of audio devices and say "ah yes. This one is clearly better than that one" like you can computer hardware

[livid ruin]

that only depends on how strong vibrations will end up hitting your cochlea

if both the iems and headphones will hit them at equal pressure you will go just as fast deaf from headphone like you'd go from in ears

if you listen at 90db you have about 3 hours of music allowance per day before it would damage your hearing

well, probably more if it's not consistent 90db but still

none is better, it really just depends on how loud you play music

[warm scarab]

still depends on context

dacs are generally diminishing returns unless you have problems with what you got or missing features

[elder thistle]

it is easier to lose track of relative volume when using earbuds compared to speakers

I listen to music at about 75-80db on headphones, while above 60db on speakers begins to feel too loud

but on headphones I get the reaction of "this is uncomfortable to listen to" if I'm ever pushing past 80db

which is good

I've exaggerated ear infections and such with iems, but that's sorta different

[shadow stag]

if you have audiophile aims just go for a usb dac and forget about everything else, motherboard optical/audio card is not worth your time, especially with the interference. i have it too and i just resorted to using the display's audio output instead

[haughty girder]

Galaxy buds FE?

Or almost any of the Galaxy buds, actually.

[tired crown]

I’m on Apple

[haughty girder]

okay and?

You don't need the app

[tired crown]

Unless your on android I heard they aren’t the best

[haughty girder]

do you have any android device?

[tired crown]

No

[haughty girder]

oh fun

[tired crown]

My whole family uses Apple so it was they will pay for my phone if it’s Apple if not I gotta pay for it so

[frozen yoke]

what's a good over-ear headphones with ANC, with a budget of $200 AUD? (Sorry Americans). It's my first ever pair, so I'm kinda making it worth-while. If you find one that's a little above $200, can you also recommend? I might consider saving more. Thank you

I'm a casual listener with occasions of gym

[warm flame]

i would recomend the jbl tune 760nc, they are cheap and spumd good(atleast for the price) a have used them and their good, get them if you want cheap nc headphones

they cost about (when i bought them) 800kr (150 ish aud)

[frozen yoke]

aight I'll check them out

thanks

[blissful garden]

Sony WHCH720N

[low remnant]

any good value, but not too expensive AV receivers for home cinema and record player?

for home cinema i want to use 5.1 or 5.2 surround

[livid ruin]

no way

aren’t you the same person that i told to not buy them

again, they sound good to buy because you didn’t own decent headphones yet or due to your specific pinna shape and sound processing. they’re not good headphones.

same i’d recommend jbl tunes

[steel escarp]

They sound good because boosted bass and treble

Some people genuinely don't care

[livid ruin]

they’re overly warm, aren’t they more than even the xm4/5 headphones?

[livid ruin]

yeah but you’ll find $25 headphones with that kind of sound

[steel escarp]

Paying more makes you feel better about the product tho

[haughty girder]

I mean in their defense, those headphones actually have treble and bass extension

you don't really get that with most $25 headphones

[livid ruin]

that really depends yeah

but they’re pretty mediocre which is bad when average headphones is basicly that meh

[haughty girder]

overall yea

undetailed v shaped mess

but at least eq can somewhat fix that

eq can't fix extension

[livid ruin]

well, unsure if they have good treble extension, they seem to drop like a rock after 16khz

that’s not good

but well, frequencies above aren’t audible for some people so ig a pass?

but wired 20 buck heaphones have better treble extension

[haughty girder]

pretty sure that's just whatever codec they tested with

[warm flame]

i would choose 5.2 but you dont need 2 subs 5.1 is good (get 5.2)

depending on your budget you could get old 5.1s for like 50$ but you can also buy 10000$ 5.1s, i bought a logitech z5500 and it works,( 10" sub) pluss i only payd like 50usd but you can aldo get a jamo 5.1 setup fole like 1.5k but if you dont have a bidget, get like a 5.2

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-depressed-sociopathic-creepy-creepy-eyes-gif-2823688818186712256

Logitech speakers 👎

[haughty girder]

5.2 is like, impossible to do room correction with

[lean grove]

its possible just expensive

[haughty girder]

if you're asking if you want 5.1 or 5.2 in ltt you probably shouldn't go 5.2

[lean grove]

if you want cheap you probably also shouldnt be going for surround

[dawn panther]

Would it be a terrible idea to cut these floor standing speakers in half and use em as bookshelf speakers on my desk

They are ported at the bottom but I don't see why I couldn't use a hole saw and make a new hole

[lean grove]

yes. the internal volume of the box plays a critical role in how bass works in speakers

there are, however, lots of kits online where it would be pretty much the same amount of work

[fringe mist]

i cant decide on a iem

budget around 100$ i live in norway moslty play warzone ive seen the likes of 7hz zero 2, truthhear zero blue, truthhear hexa any tips

[paper topaz]

i actually wanna ask if i should get the wireless/wired earbuds for gaming?

[warm scarab]

truthear reds

[warm scarab]

wired

wireless in ears dont come with wireless dongles so your only real choice is wired if you dont want delay

[zealous prism]

you lied

[lean grove]

🤨

[cosmic wraith]

Meze

[tired crown]

How

[elder thistle]

audio is both subjective and comprised of many parts

nils gave you his opinion and it wasn't very descriptive, but that was enough for you to buy it anyways

[zealous prism]

i was in the market for new ones anyways, and they were getting recomended a lot

[warm scarab]

how long have you had them for

[zealous prism]

they're better than the apple earbuds yeah, but there isnt that much of a difference

[zealous prism]

got them today

[warm scarab]

figures

[zealous prism]

been testing them out for 2 hours

[warm scarab]

use them for a week and then try to go back to the buds

[lean grove]

Do you have a good fit with the ear tips?

[zealous prism]

a solid one yeah

[warm scarab]

just use it for a while get your ear adjusted

[sleek lily]

@elder thistle forgot to send this

Also took some pictures to demonstrate it is a 6x0 cause someone in another server didn't believe me

[zealous prism]

ill say the bass is 10x better

[elder thistle]

that's wild

I didn't expect them to push straight into a huge thing of foam like that

also cool hd280pro style vent

[fringe mist]

red or blue for gaming im finna buy rn

[warm scarab]

red sounds better

the gaming performance isnt exactly terribly different

[fringe mist]

what about footsteps etc

[warm scarab]

its an iem man it will play whatever you feed it

[fringe mist]

yeah but some iems emmit diffrent sound stages better

[zealous prism]

both are on maxgaming.no, personally it took me 6 days to get them

[warm scarab]

there are a million games out there with million different footstep frequency ranges

[lean grove]

I use AI to remove footsteps from the game to make it a bit harder

[warm scarab]

and exaclty zero headphones good for all of them

[fringe mist]

yeah tahts where im getting em from 2-4 day delivry

[zealous prism]

it will likely take a lil longer, idk they spent a long time to ship them to posten

[fringe mist]

yeah they a bit useless when it comes to shippinh

alr red it is then also

should i get the apple adapter thingy

[warm scarab]

if you want to

[fringe mist]

is it worth it / needed

[warm scarab]

wont know until you plug the iems into your motherboard

[lean grove]

If you can use perametric EQ you can make them almost perfect for warzone

[warm scarab]

what is that response lmao

[lean grove]

It's the warzone response

[warm scarab]

ief tumor target

[lean grove]

Gamurr

[warm scarab]

gemin

[fringe mist]

il probs use art tune

[elder thistle]

I'm curious to see if you can tell where sounds are coming from with them

generally hard with iems

[lean grove]

skill issue

[tired crown]

What’s a good budget interface for a rode pod mic

I know very little about audio

[fringe mist]

For me in warzone i listen to the surface

And i also tweak it so I don't hear my own gun helps alot

[unique wind]

real

i love iems for gaming

very easy to discern directionality

[lean grove]

directionality in a game is an illusion and it depends on:

1. the game engine
2. your ability to interpret the information the game engine is trying to give you

[elder thistle]

our ears are shaped like ears for a reason. when using an iem, we ignore the shape of someone's ears

therefore we lose all kinds of delays and resonances and such that belong to a given person's unique ears

and therefore the illusion is destroyed

[lean grove]

if only there were some way to compensate for the shape of the ear in a frequency response

[elder thistle]

it's more than frequency response

imaging isn't some magic pegasus audiophiles are chasing. it's a real phenomenon with lots of studies behind it that allowed for such game sound engines to exist

[lean grove]

i can tell you first hand that the illusion maintains itself while using IEMs if the game engine is good

but also even with headphones you dont have proper interactions with the ear

its the same interaction regardless of where the sound is coming from because the sound origin on the headphones doesnt change

[elder thistle]

still a better approximation

I only have 1 pair of iems that can image worth anything in my ears

[lean grove]

in theory.

i can give you two lopsided headphone drivers taped to your ears with scotch tape and it will image worse than iems

[elder thistle]

I'm just generalizing

[lean grove]

i know which is why im giving you an example where what you're saying doesnt apply

[elder thistle]

different iems not reliably imaging well when eq'd already suggests there's more to the sound than FR

[lean grove]

sure. but i think you're just underestimating people's brain's abilitity to learn to interpret sounds

or i think youre overestimating the importants of ideal ear interactions in a situation that is very very very far from ideal

[elder thistle]

it's my observations when playing different games with different earbuds and headphones, sometimes with different eq's

[lean grove]

i believe you

but its my observation that 99% of people playing games are using worse audio equipment than me and yet they still have no issue interpreting the game audio correctly

[elder thistle]

yes

I think a lot of people either don't use sound much (and instead rely on map-specific tricks), or they have some kind of gaming headset

[tired crown]

From my experience iems give 100x better directional sound that headsets

[elder thistle]

the threshold for usable directional audio is also not that high

[tired crown]

No

[lean grove]

thats my point

[tired crown]

Most “gaming” headsets just have left and right sound

[lean grove]

thats all headphones

pretty much

[tired crown]

Yeah

Iems on the other hand you can hear much more precise

[warm scarab]

art tune?

[elder thistle]

so far I've seen a great focus on rear imaging with the 6 actual headsets I have

[lean grove]

the isolation definitely helps

[warm scarab]

rode podmic is not budget in the first place so why does the interface need to be budget

[lean grove]

rear imaging is a game engine specific thing

[warm scarab]

like

its a decent mic but like

its overpriced as fuck

[tired crown]

It’s semi budget at $100

[warm scarab]

do you have the podmic already

[tired crown]

$100 ain’t close to overpriced

[tired crown]

No

[warm scarab]

if its marginally different than 20$ mics

that makes it overpriced as fuck

similar to sm7b at 400$

[tired crown]

The sm7 yes is overpriced as fuck

[elder thistle]

it's a big component yes

[lean grove]

i would say its 95% of it

[warm scarab]

any shitter dynamic mic + eq = podmic/sm7b

[elder thistle]

but I have headphones where the rear imaging just doesn't happen for me on any game

[warm scarab]

I disagree after experiencing good imaging honestly

in r6 the sounds are so obviously colored that you can tell whenever someone is behind you

in source games like tf2 that doesn't happen

and I cannot hear where anyone is without good imaging headphones contrary to r6

[elder thistle]

with the hd560s for example, I get weak vs really weak rear imaging when it comes to cs2 vs titanfall 2

but I tend to experience weaker rear imaging anyways

with k361 no game engine can save me

[warm scarab]

games cope with poorly imaging user end headphones by coloring the audio based on directionality

[tired crown]

@warm scarab what is a alternative mic then

[warm scarab]

you develop pattern recognition whenever someone at a position makes a certain sound

so next time you recognize the sound and pinpoint the location

[elder thistle]

also behold unacceptable object

[warm scarab]

xm8500 and um2

one is mic one is interface

totals at like 60$

[lean grove]

okay klaus riddle me this. how can a headphone with two immobile speakers less than an inch from your ears make you believe like something is behind you by only making the left channel louder or the right channel louder

[warm scarab]

go get a boom arm to go with it

[warm scarab]

I am not an engineer or a physicist, I can only tell you what I experience after using different headphones

[tired crown]

What kinda boom arm would I need to be comparable with that mic

[lean grove]

oh wait you're agreeing with me

[warm scarab]

I cannot get the rear or front imaging with any headphone I own compared to r70x

[lean grove]

youre saying that the audio engine in r6 makes it really obvious to whats behind you

and tf2 doesnt

[warm scarab]

yes

and I am saying that to benefit from directionality in tf2 you need well imaging headphones

compared to r6

[tired crown]

Okay what if I simplify the question, What’s the best mic and interface combo for $200-250

[warm scarab]

which you can acquire direction info using anything that can play sound

[elder thistle]

this was my experience too, even if r6's sound engine is outright illogical with placement

[warm scarab]

what will you use it for

[warm scarab]

i think it makes sense in its own regard

[tired crown]

Discord and game chat

[warm scarab]

for example if a dude is roaming in the corridor next to you, you hear his footsteps from the closest door

as opposed to through the door in a dampened form

its weird logic for game audio but its sort of realistic

[elder thistle]

where is my tutorial drawing

[warm scarab]

do you want me to illustrate

[tired crown]

Also the $200-250 budget is not including the arm

I have a friend who got one but it wasent compatible with his wierd ass mic and he forgot to return it

[elder thistle]

if you do the defusal tutorial and take the drone to the bomb room, the location of the sound of the bomb comes from the opposite side of the room

[elder thistle]

yes but there's no door there

in my example

it's an arbitary other location when in the same room as the bomb

[warm scarab]

why do you need 250$ for an audio setup to use discord

[tired crown]

[warm scarab]

the details that make a 20$ mic a 20$ mic and a 5000$ mic a 5000$ mic will be lost over the discord voip protocol anyways

[tired crown]

I also have considered streaming but that’s not guaranteed

[warm scarab]

even less reason to

twitch sound bitrate is not enough to justify spending a lot of money on a mic