audio-tech

[haughty girder]

AptX LL has terrible compression I can't stand it

AptX HD is actually pretty solid though

I'd say comes really close to LDAC 990

[obsidian urchin]

I'd have to listen again to remember what was bugging me but something about how apt-x hd was making high frequencies sound sounded bad to me.

Had like a digital corruption noise

it also had like 200ms latency

[haughty girder]

no that's normal

AAC is a fair bit worse, especially with different OEMs having different profiles for it

[obsidian urchin]

It was a poor choice and a decent waste of money trying to get it to work for a home environment where I could route audio over the network instead.

[haughty girder]

Guys

someone in nTC1

is arguing the WHXM5 has no bass

[obsidian urchin]

My hd6xx have great bass if I use an equalizer and crank the gain

[elder thistle]

tonight is an m50x clone kind of night

I should not be able to outresolve an old version hd560s but here we are

and if you think sam's purified bottled water tastes fine

I hope you get well soon

[elder thistle]

what is ntc1

traditionally this means negative temperature coefficient thermistor

which is an awesome device

[chrome bough]

i currently have no sort of speaker connected to my pc

[sleek lily]

Decided my next headphone purchase will be edition xs

[heavy cedar]

Need to buy a new Headset for my PC. Want a solid headset that is wireless.

Old headset: RIG 800

Country/Budget: Sweden/Max 200USD (Around 2000kr, if that price it must be extra good)

[tall tide]

Anyone know any good sounding wireless headphones with decent active noise cancelation for less than 200€? No mic necessary and I don't like earbuds. Will be using them out of the house.

[steep sierra]

A refurbished Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless might cost ya around €200. They are bass heavy, but easy to EQ through the app.

[tall tide]

Anywhere i can buy them in Europe?

[steep sierra]

I live in the Netherlands, so I mainly use tweakers.net for price comparisons. It includes refurbished ones. But this is one of the results of Idealo, a German price comparison website: https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com/de-DE/p/momentum-4-wireless-refurbished/

https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/202057928_-momentum-4-wireless-schwarz-sennheiser.html

[tall tide]

Thx

[steep sierra]

No problem!

[steep sierra]

I always recommend a standalone headphone & mic but I’m not into the world of headsets. Hope someone can help ya.

[tall tide]

Are there any big downsides going with refurbished rather than new?

[steep sierra]

Your warranty might be shorter, so that’s something you should check.

And worst case there might be some slight visual damage on your headphones. But this is often in the description, and you can return em.

[tall tide]

Alr

But the sound and battery should be almost the same as new right?

[steep sierra]

Yup

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/eOXCEsTyv7s

[steep sierra]

I buy a lot of stuff second hand or refurbished. Today I picked up a refurbished motherboard for a €30 discount.
Though the difference is that you get a warranty with refurbished products, sometimes you don’t get that with second hand products (if the warranty has expired).

A couple weeks back I picked up the KEF KC62 subwoofer to go with my KEF LS50 Metas, managed to get it brand new for €1100 instead of the regular €1700 price tag because the guy moved before he installed it.

You just have to be careful when dealing with second hand products, refurbished gives ya a bit more peace of mind.

[tall tide]

Thx for all the info

[steep sierra]

Oh I just checked the page, I think they sell this one:

no problemo

[tall tide]

A little too expensive for me

[steep sierra]

Yeah, but I was talking about the refurbished one. But now that I looked a bit further into it, they might use the same SKU for all of the Momentum 4 variations.

[tall tide]

Probably

[steep sierra]

https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com/de-DE/p/momentum-4-copper-refurbished/clpb4umdfzqgz0bvyawje1ocu/

[tall tide]

Cheeper for them

[steep sierra]

you can also get the copper one for the same price

[tall tide]

I like the all black better

[steep sierra]

That's the one I have, that's completely fine too :)

Another option you could consider is this one: https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/200278050_-wh-1000xm4-schwarz-sony.html
But I have never personally tried it.

Good luck!

[tall tide]

Was about to buy these but then I saw that they include and RCA cable not the usb-c to 3.5 mm aux cable the manufacturer incloudes. Is that a simple mistake they could make or am I possibly gonna get a cable that won't fit? phttps://www.buyzoxs.de/kaufen/sennheiser/sennheiser-momentum-4-over-ear-kopfhrer-kabellos-schwarz_B0B6GHW1SX.html

[steep sierra]

If possible I'd recommend to get it at Sennheiser for the 2 year warranty, and knowing that the product is in good condition.

But I cannot find the thing you mention on the page.

They even ship for free to the Netherlands. Although I am not sure where you live.

[tall tide]

The non edited one got pasted for some reason

[steep sierra]

oh you are right

yeah, I don't have such an RCA cable that came with my headphones.

just a regular ol' 3.5mm jack to 2.5mm jack and a USB-A to USB-C cable.

And an airplane headphone adapter

[tall tide]

So I shouldn't buy it from here?

[tall tide]

Also that place doesn't ship to my country

[steep sierra]

that's a bummer

[steep sierra]

I mean, it's a pretty standard cable. It's just a 2.5mm to 3.5mm cable, you can probably get it anywhere.

[tall tide]

True and it might just be a mistake

[steep sierra]

Yeah, because it seems quite weird.

Some people also use "Cinch" as a generic term for audio cables.

[tall tide]

That might be it

[haughty girder]

@steep sierra Cinch means there's an adjustable piece in between the Left and Right cables

[steep sierra]

ohhh

that makes more sense

[haughty girder]

for an iem cable, it's this piece

[tall tide]

Ohhhhh

[haughty girder]

same thing for headphone cables if they split into left and right

[serene surge]

Are there earbuds that can do 2.4ghz + bluetooth simultaneous audio playback? So far I've found multiple headsets can do this but no earbuds (arctis nova pro wireless, sony inzone h9, turtle beach stealth pro)

[tall tide]

Then idk if it will or will not come with the aux cable

I don't need it but it would be nice to have

[haughty girder]

ok I'm looking at the Momentum 4 cable... it doesn't split off and thus doesn't need a cinch, I think it's just mislabeled

[haughty girder]

They definitely do

[tall tide]

Even if it is refurbished?

[haughty girder]

Basically all wireless headphones that support aux in will come with an aux cable

oh refurbished is different...

refurb you have to see what the policy is

it's considered an accessory, just like the headphone case

[tall tide]

It did say it comes with original packaging so it might come with it

[haughty girder]

if they include the headphone case or charging cable, then it will likely include the aux cable as well

[haughty girder]

bluetooth is 2.4ghz, but it's highly bandwidth and power limited

in "earbuds," it woud suck back so much power it's not worth it

[serene surge]

you know what i mean, 2.4ghz proprietary protocols with a transmitter/adapter, usually have way lower latency compare to bluetooth 🙂

[haughty girder]

way lower latency as compression algorithms don't need to be anywhere near as complex, but also means they suck back a lot of power

[serene surge]

i've been searching, jbl quantum tws might have this function but I cannot be sure. a lot of these earbuds advertise multipoint or 2.4ghz+bluetooth when they don't have simultaneous playback

[haughty girder]

multipoint means they can be connected to multiple devices at once and switch when one plays and the other doesn't

or runs on a priority alg

that doesn't mean they can accept and playback multiple streams of audio

[ocean pulsar]

i looked for a while, but i gave up
i currently use a mixer, bluetooth receiver and transmitter

a cheap solution is to use your computer as a bluetooth receiver and pass through the audio that way

[cosmic wraith]

Ok?

[haughty girder]

Terrible

[cosmic wraith]

Lol

[tired crown]

Steel series alias/alias pro or quadcast S

i just want a good mic for discord and game chat

[lean grove]

Samson q2u

Or atr2100

[left verge]

Is there a program i should be using to improve my sound?
People have recommended FXSound But i want to know if there's any others

[steep sierra]

Equalizer APO on Windows

[tulip pewter]

Hello! I was wondering if anyone knows of a simple software that offers decent microphone release or hold-open? I have one on my GoXLR app that works awesome, but my homies with budget Cardioid mics need something like this too

[dusk latch]

What can I do to make my mic sound better?

[tulip pewter]

I just asked something like that above, I'm impatient so I just asked ChatGPT. ChatGPT suggested VoiceMeeter Banana, it's free and seems like it would be pretty easy to set up with a good amount of options. Someone else may have a better recommendation though

[turbid mist]

yo ive got an asgard 3 from schiit and randomly my audio gets bugged. its like everything gets muffled almost and i have to turn it off and on to fix the problem. does anyone know anything about this

[lean grove]

I think OBS has that capabilities

[lean grove]

Email schiit support

[turbid mist]

no lie i have tried like 3 times and keep getting an error on the site

[lean grove]

Do you have an email

[turbid mist]

yeah i didnt realize they had an email listed

[lean grove]

https://www.schiit.com/contact

They have two emails at the bottom.

[marsh kindle]

My brother works for a high school, and they went on retreat, and he twisted my arm into joining him on this excusion to mission springs, and we were joined by The Katinas, and with a talk to Joey, the sound guy, I got to run sound for a session of them playing. To the downside now, they showed me apiece of software that I had, but didnt know how to really use correctly, and as it is apple only :-(, when my macbook died, I lost the software. Now that I see the potential of logic pro, and know how to use it, I am now many much tempted to get it, but I dont want to pay for stupid apple tax, but then again I could actually make money doing sound stuffs with that software, so I want to know if you know any ways to get a MacBook without paying an arm, and a lag

[woeful horizon]

what are good speakers that dont need a reciver that are around 50$

[steep sierra]

You can use Waveform by Tracktion. Works wonderful for me.

I just use the free version.

[steep sierra]

That removes the need for a macbook.

Although Linux would make it even easier, because it removes the need for ASIO. And virtual audio routing becomes easier. On Windows you can do so with Voicemeeter, but it’s not ideal.

If you really want a macbook though, just check facebook marketplace or refurbished older models.

[elder thistle]

there is lots of software like logic pro. the general term for this is "DAW"

[topaz cairn]

I've been looking for some good quality headphones

Budget is around 150$

Eyeing the Steel series nova 7s rn

Good choice or is there anything better?

[dawn ice]

he400se and moondrop dawn pro for the amp

and get a 3.5mm to 4.4mm adapter

[topaz cairn]

Was looking specifically for a wireless pair

[dawn ice]

audio quallity gonna be pretty crap

[topaz cairn]

Yeah I'm aware

[dawn ice]

why not just run speakers instead

if you dont want to have a wire

[topaz cairn]

I don't live alone

Setup is kinda janky with a wire

So it's my only option

[dawn ice]

whats jank about it

[topaz cairn]

Wire placement

Gets in the way

Pc is placed in an odd place

[dawn ice]

well, i did suggest a usb amp, so you can basically relocate your headphone jack where ever you want

even a dongle amp is definetly worth it with he400

so that would solve the jank pc placement issue

[topaz cairn]

Desk space is valuable to me

I've got not enough surface area on my desk

Really should've gotten a different one but I guess I'm stuck with this one for the time being

I imagine the amp doesn't float

[dawn ice]

its a dongle amp, designed for portable use primeraly, so its tiny

but dongles are best bang for buck for entry stuff

its basically the size of a bic lighter

[topaz cairn]

No idea how large that is ngl

Oh yeah they look pretty small

But those don't help with the relocation

It's just extending the cord basically

[dawn ice]

i mean, if you want to cope with wirless then sure, but there are practical solutions to your complaints

and audio quallity is substancially better

[topaz cairn]

How substantial are we talking?

[dawn ice]

the diff is gonna be huge

[topaz cairn]

From what price point is wired better?

[dawn ice]

its better at every price point

tho, iem's are better then headphones sub 100$

but since your budget allows for it, you can start getting in to the entri headphones that are actually worth buying

wirless just has to many limitations, and serious companies arent really putting in much money in to solving them

but yah, you can get 20$ iem's that will be better then any wireless gaming headsets

iem's being in ears btw

[topaz cairn]

Can't go for any earbuds

Idk I've got some sort of earwax issue and I'm too lazy to go to the doc

[dawn ice]

maybe you just got the tipical gamer issue of not washing yo head lol

[topaz cairn]

Nah

Like even if I clean them every day

[dawn ice]

but thats fine, iem's are just the best bang for puck sub 100$, which is why im refferencing them

[topaz cairn]

My ears

With soapy water

[dawn ice]

above 100$, headphones are viable

i see, sounds like a pain man

[topaz cairn]

If I use earbuds they come out absolutely coated

Unreal

[dawn ice]

rip

[topaz cairn]

I'll look into in and decide later

[dawn ice]

sure

[livid ruin]

don’t clean inside your ears with soapy water-

you’re actually asking for some ear disease

water shouldn’t be in ears unless you absolutely need to clean your ears

[livid ruin]

you have one headphones at $60, he400se

I don’t really like iems anymore once I got to open backs

[dawn ice]

i dont think ksc memes are worth it compared to iem's

they dont provide a complete experience

[lean grove]

Some people don't like iems

I can only wear mine for a couple hours. Ksc75? I can go all day

And how much/how long you use something is a pretty good indicator of your experience

[dawn ice]

realistically, unless you got some kind of a condition, iem comfort is all about finding the right fit

granted, its an anoying process, but its definetly doable

after youve spent some time with various iem's, you do develop a sense for how well an iem is probably gonna fit you just looking at the design

along with nozzle size spec, or tip rolling

but comfort having a learning curve is obviously very anoying

[lean grove]

vs ksc75 you put them on and they're great

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[compact vault]

Hello audio people

I have a pair of sennheiser HD599 and wanna upgrade. What would be a great upgrade set of headphones?

[sleek lily]

What are you willing to spend for the upgrade?

And what do you look for in a headphone

[compact vault]

like 400 GBP

[compact vault]

good clean sound not too much bass and open ear

over the ear

oh and a headband that doesnt degrade or can be replaced

[sleek lily]

I'd wait for more opinions and I'd definitely say give more details as to what you're looking for in sound and what you like or don't like in a headphone but a good point to start looking is refurbished hifiman Arya

[compact vault]

Would I need a DAC and stuff?

I like the sound of my HD599 headphones.

[sleek lily]

If you don't already have a DAC and amp I'd recommend getting them

In that budget I'd actually for sure say get the open box he560v4, maybe get a used schiit Asgard or some other used class a amp, and get a used schiit modi multibit

Modi multibit isn't the same as normal modi though

Make sure it's the multibit version

That's the only modi I found to be good

[compact vault]

Schiit stuff is hard af to get in the UK

its like triple the price for some reason

[sleek lily]

In that case wait around for other recommendations on DAC and amp

[compact vault]

Alright thanks for the help.

[sleek lily]

But id say put the $169 in on the open box he560v4 and put the rest into a good DAC and amp

[compact vault]

Also Sennheiser has a DAC for 2.5k

and its the only DAC they sell what?

[sleek lily]

I probably wouldn't go to Sennheiser for dac's and amps tbh

Not saying they're bad just they aren't particularly well known or talked about as great so I'd imagine they aren't

[lean grove]

yeah dont worry about it. its for people that want to go into the sennheiser store and get everything in one place. its nothing special

and it kinda sounds like you want an hd600

[compact vault]

I think imma go London and try all the headphones out. There is a shop with premium headphones maybe they will have some that dont cost a kidney

[compact vault]

I think thats the plan

I heard the HD660s arent as good

[lean grove]

yeah 660s are wacky

dont get those

[compact vault]

These hifi man ones seem kinda cool

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[compact vault]

Yeah ill look for a pair of HD600 or maybe something different. Depending on the recommendations

I just realised I pick the most the expensive hobbies.

[lean grove]

theres more expensive hobbies than audio

[compact vault]

I mean cars being one of them

I am also part of that group

[lean grove]

yeah nevermind thats probably one of the more expenisiver hobbies

[sleek lily]

He said he's looking for something open sounding. I like the 600 but it does really bad without a DAC and amp besides just getting loud enough and I wouldn't recommend it for an open sound.

Its really narrow and kinda just specialized for solo vocalist tracks

[lean grove]

the hd600 is open sounding. and he said he really likes the 599.

so the 600 seems like a good pick for him

[sleek lily]

599 isn't like 600 imo

Also 600 is definitely one of the most narrow headphones

[lean grove]

you're one of the most narrow headphones

[sleek lily]

It's nice for focusing on solo vocalist

[lean grove]

bio we've had this discussion before

like what are you trying to get out of this

we both know what we're gonna say

i disagree with you on this completely

[sleek lily]

But it's not very wide relative to much other than edge case narrowness headphones

I've heard it gets wider on good tubes

But he doesn't even have an amp

[lean grove]

wideness on headphones is not something worth going after

its a dead end with more compromises than benefits

[sleek lily]

It's what he enjoys from his description

So there is no reason to go against what he wants

And I also strongly disagree with you

[lean grove]

remind me again where he said that

[sleek lily]

I very much have songs that I love hearing on wider headphones

[lean grove]

and i have songs that are naturally wide that i enjoy on "narrow" headphones

[sleek lily]

When I asked what he's looking for in a headphone

He said wide and not too much bass

[lean grove]

i dont see the word wide anywhere

weird

[sleek lily]

I was remembering open ear as wide but he likely means open sounding there

[lean grove]

or maybe he means open back?

[sleek lily]

@compact vault to clarify, are you looking for a wide sounding headphones or narrow?

What might also help us knowing the types of music you generally listen to

[lean grove]

well the hd560v4 is only actually good for listening to gongs in caves so i cant really recommend it for most people

if you listen to gongs in caves music its actually perfect

[sleek lily]

Because big orchestral stuff is usually great on things like hd800 for example but solo vocalist stuff for example is great on 600

[lean grove]

but for 99% of people its bad 🙁

[sleek lily]

Huh?

[lean grove]

gongs in caves

[sleek lily]

Actually now that I think about it that thing is literally just better and cheaper rn

Until the open box deal ends it just straight up makes more sense

[lean grove]

whats gonna happen is they're trying to burn the stock because nobody is buying it

too many people return it and nobody wants to buy it so they liquidate

hifiman does this all the time

[sleek lily]

Even if the 600 could be found cheap enough that he can get an amp and dac

He560v4 is just the better headphone imo

Black silk version arguably has better timbre though

Wouldn't say that makes up for it falling behind in most other aspects

[lean grove]

yeah idk man. lack of intimacy, unnatural timbre, artificial soundstage, compressed bass, bad dynamics

[sleek lily]

The tonality is also a little better to me on 600 but tonality is down to everyone's preference

[lean grove]

baffle memes are irrelevent here

[sleek lily]

Relative to the silver screen version he560v4 is more natural in timbre

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sensible-chuckle-gif-3532650

[sleek lily]

The bass is more resolving so idk what you're on there too

It's also the more dynamic of the 2

It's not as intimate

But it's not exactly like one of those wide headphones that can't go intimate

It goes relatively wide and intimate

[lean grove]

if you're concerned about intimacy then you need to listen to different music on headphones

soundstage is a meme

[sleek lily]

He hasn't said hes just looking for intimacy

And that's what you're suggesting it seemingly entirely on

[lean grove]

where did he say that again?

[sleek lily]

What he said if anything suggests the opposite

But we won't know for sure until he answers

[lean grove]

you've put words in his mouth twice now, making up things he never said, and then fall back on "we wont know until he says it"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sleek lily]

When did I put words in his mouth?

Like dude

Do you read what you write

[lean grove]

.

[sleek lily]

I'm sorry but you're one of the most annoying and argumentative to be argumentative people I've interacted with

You're like the audio hobby version of tobleh

[lean grove]

its literally just you that i argue with

which is bizarre

[sleek lily]

I literally said he didn't say he's just looking for intimacy

[lean grove]

im quite agreeable for everyone else

[sleek lily]

And we should wait til he says what he wants

Before making that decision for him

[lean grove]

i think its just because you make up nonsense.

[sleek lily]

And no matter what I don't recommend 600 without an amp

[lean grove]

okay thats good for you

[sleek lily]

It is usable without one but it loses what makes it magical

[lean grove]

i will

what makes it magical is its near perfect tonality and timbre which is largely unaffected by the source

onboard audio can have a huge oI which can give it a bit of a midbass bomp but that can be easily remedied by a dongle

[sleek lily]

I disagree there too

[lean grove]

for like. $20

see there you go again, making up nonsense

[sleek lily]

By disagreeing with you?

That there is more to a source than how it affects tonality...

That's me making up nonsense...

[lean grove]

oh yes for sure. but it makes up a pretty small part of a headphone's quality unless you have something stupid set up

[sleek lily]

600 scales a lot with sources

[lean grove]

woah crazy. better sources sound better??

[sleek lily]

It struggles to separate vocalist from the rest of the track on bad sources in my experience

Which is the main thing that makes it so magical

How it handles vocalist

But either way

Stop whining and wait for the person to say what they actually are looking for

[lean grove]

you're literally the one whining

[sleek lily]

Instead of fan ficing about how they just want narrow at all cost bue also somehow stage doesn't change between any headphones

[lean grove]

see here you are making up nonsense again

[sleek lily]

If they are looking for just a narrow vocalist can they should look into a used 600 or a 6xx maybe but not into a new 600 and they should then buy an amp and dac still

[lean grove]

its weird how everything you accuse me of you're doing yourself

[sleek lily]

If they aren't looking for that specifically they should get open box he560v4 and a DAC and amp

Or maybe all they want is stage

[lean grove]

a properly powered shit headphone is gonna be worse than a good headphone off sub-optimal source equipment.

[sleek lily]

In which case they should get open box Arya

[lean grove]

plain and simple

[sleek lily]

Or maybe all they want is resolution in which case maybe they should get some vintage electrostatics

[lean grove]

thats a cool fan fic

[sleek lily]

We don't know until they say

[lean grove]

what else might they like?

maybe an ice cream. i would like one personally

[sleek lily]

We don't know until they say so stop pretending they want only the single thing they could make your rec make sense unless they say so...

[lean grove]

👆

take your own advice

[sleek lily]

[lean grove]

hd6X0 line is an almost universally good headphone. this idea in your head that its only good for one thing is pure fiction and exists in a very small part of the community

[sleek lily]

Is it very wide relative to other things in the price?

[lean grove]

can it light fires and be used as a tarp while camping?

[sleek lily]

Is it very good at imaging relative to other things in the price?

[lean grove]

(im comparing it to my own criteria which i will judge it on because i know i cant make a proper argument otherwise)

[sleek lily]

It's like many sennheisers not well rounded but does a couple things great

Great if that's what he's looking for

[lean grove]

it does pretty much everything pretty damn well.

which is great if thats what hes looking for

[sleek lily]

Shouldn't be blind recommended when he has a non ideal circumstance for it and also has only given details as to what he's looking for that would be against what it does

[lean grove]

it should be blind recommended because its one of the most well liked hifi headphones in the world

meanwhile the 560v4 is...

💩

[sleek lily]

And even if he wanted just an intimate vocalist can he should get a 6xx and an amp and dac

600 is terrible without one

[lean grove]

are we back to making things up again

you said you were done with fan fiction

swore it off. promised to never touch it ever again

[elder thistle]

I know many people who do or would dislike the revealing nature of the hd600, and it's bass behavior even when eq'd up

preference alone makes sure no headphone is a universally good headphone

but yes tasks related to competitive gaming / imaging generally hurt it's position there over something like an hd560s, even if I consider the hd560s a whole level below overall

and personally I would actually get better use out of the hd600 for gaming because the rear imaging isn't as worthless on my ears

[glass sleet]

Hi recently I get new pc with headpones extra, headpones working but microphone on them no working not only on Discord but general headpones is steelseries maybe I don't know how to configure them but I tried very much tutorials etc. Sorry for poor English

[sleek lily]

There are well rounded headphones but 600 definitely isn't that

It's absolutely amazing for some things and terrible for others

Kinda like how the hd800 is

Or like how k1000 is absolutely amazing for presentation but not too good for clarity and micro detail

[elder thistle]

technical deficits fall under preference

like there is such a thing as "too much detail" for probably most people

[lean grove]

it absolutely is a well rounded headphone 🙄

you keep saying this weird ass myth as if it were some niche product that only gets wheeled out for once in a blue moon when you wanna listen to eric clapton when its actually just the headphone that has the least wrong with it.

frankly its a little unsettling how often you do this

like you are more than welcome to have your preferences and opinions but if you look at the big picture, you are so incredibly wrong it is baffling to me

[haughty girder]

HD600 is still a larger stage than iems... and most people listen to music through iems/earbuds. Your point?

[elder thistle]

what is well rounded

how do you define well rounded

[unique wind]

your brain

it’s round and smooth

[slate mantle]

Hey, i'm having an issue with delayed, choppy audio that sometimes only plays in the right earbud for a short amount of time with my bluetooth earbuds in windows 11. I've tried the troubleshooter, I've tried setting the start up type as automatic in Windows Audio Properties, and i've tried updating my drivers and none of it works. Can anyone help?

[steep sierra]

I have been using the JDS Labs Atom stack for the past 4 years, only negative is the high shipping costs, don’t know how that situation is now.

Would be about £231 including shipping & VAT.

[steep sierra]

You could mount your amp & DAC under your desk.

[steep sierra]

Welcome to wireless, enjoy your stay. But it might have something to do with the codec you have selected. Higher quality audio over bluetooth often means lower stability.

[dawn ice]

almost.... almost like its true lol

only being able to do chill vocal heavy ganras well is pretty damn nieche

[quaint drift]

i love bass

my subwoofer is beating on my chest

is this unhealthy?

[dawn ice]

Probably lol

Check db chart for hearing damage

And you can measure with your phone, the in room db

[steep sierra]

Me and my homies love the HD6XX. They are lacking in bass, but they are not fatiguing to us. They respond well to warmer tube amps or some (Auto)EQ too. You may not like them, and that’s fine. But don’t state your opinion as facts.

Redditors do this “hey here’s a fact but actually it’s my opinion” enough already.

[dawn ice]

I dont dissagree with your take on 6xx, in terms of how it sounds, and it can be really nice for specific music

But its highly specialised in a single aspect, which makes it a terrible all rounder single headphone rec

Since it sucks for most genras

Its the same deal as hd800, if you know youre in to the music that its specifically made for, then its excellent, but its by no means a generalist

[sleek lily]

Most people also use Bose and beats. I'm saying it's one of the narrowest headphones, not that everything everyone uses is wide or better. It's not even a bad thing if a narrow stage was what the person is looking for. They already have a 599 and if they're asking for an upgrade that's got an open sound then gaslighting them into a downgrade for what they're looking for is at best irresponsible and at worst malicious.

[sleek lily]

I like 6x0 too for the right music. My only concern is its not very well suited for what the guy has as a setup or what he's asking for (unless we get some update stating otherwise from him). When all we have rn is the guy seemingly saying he wants something open and not bass boosted, it's not really sensible to tell him it sounds like he's looking for (insert headphone that's way more narrow than what he has and more bass boosted but with arguably much less clean and crisp bass when you don't have an amp or DAC)

The only 6x0 I think might kinda fits that description is the hd 535 but it's still less open than what he's coming from

But it arguably doesn't get charged by bad gear nearly as much

But it's also rare and only available used in usually bad condition

So it's a stretch to recommend still while not being as ideal as he560v4 would be

[sleek lily]

It's got issues as a headphone. It's also got things it's excellent for like timbre and vocals and being Harman tuned. In spite of that, it's still very narrow, has imaging issues, and has boosted but slurred sounding bass. All of which are issues that go against what the person is asking for and pros that unless they give more detail as to what they want I'm not going to assume mean the world to them.

[dawn ice]

also, 6xx pads seem to last about 2-3 songs according to forums lol

[sleek lily]

Also... "You're incredibly wrong" doesn't elaborate how meanwhile same dude who claimed this chip amp that mathematically would drop multiple volts on supply rail and at best soft clip can perfectly power he6 bass, argued headphone stage doesn't matter at all, and now is arguing hd600 with onboard audio does every aspect great for its price and is better for bass and being open than an he560v4 with a proper amp and dac... Need I say more.

All I have to say is "you are so incredibly wrong it is baffling to me" every time you try to argue some bs

Like what you like but just think before you start arguments ffs

[steel escarp]

fiio has been cooking

[sleek lily]

Let him cook

[steep sierra]

xD

[warm scarab]

@steel escarp thoughts on hd600?

[steel escarp]

veiled

otherwise okay

[warm scarab]

good or bad

[steel escarp]

also it should cost 150 max

overpriced

[warm scarab]

@lean grove you won the argument

[sleek lily]

[steel escarp]

what argument

[sleek lily]

Nils was recommending hd600 without an amp or dac over he560v4 with an amp and dac for some dude seemingly looking for an open sounding headphones without boosted bass

They were looking for an upgrade from 599

Which in this case assuming an amp and dac for both would put it just ahead for vocal listening imo

He560v4 ironically beats the silver screen 6x0 for timbre imo and falls just behind the black silk versions

And in being Harman tuned

Neither of which being things the dude asked for

[sleek lily]

I'd say great for the right music tbh but outside of that it's kinda meh

[steel escarp]

aune ar5000 tbh

[warm scarab]

tbh i agree

its mid

[sleek lily]

He560v4 is kinda just really good for everything

[steel escarp]

I have been cooking with ifi's GTO filter for their dacs, it removes any post and pre ringing typically caused by high taps filters by upsampling in a delta sigma dac

the ringing is usually perceived as reverb

[sleek lily]

I'd take 600 over it for solo vocalist songs still. Things like toms diner, but what percent of music is really like that

It's absolute magic for that type of song

[steel escarp]

the fiio ft3 also cooks

[sleek lily]

So it's great if you have other stuff for everything else

[steel escarp]

that is as long as your ears are Asian ear size

the imaging on the ft3 is some of the best I heard in any headphone

[sleek lily]

Have you tried akg k1000?

[steel escarp]

unobtanium

[sleek lily]

If you ever get a chance to get a k1000 I can help you restore it. It's something else for imaging and layering and staging

Just the king of presentation

[limber basalt]

Anyone familiar with MKVToolNix?
https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1274414984629063710

[steel escarp]

edition xs is 280 dollars new

everything else is irrelevant

[sleek lily]

I still need to try it but 560v4 might be better tbh

Based on the descriptions I've heard about it

But hifiman is competing really well in the lower end

[sleek lily]

For my taste to be clear

[warm scarab]

your taste is odd

the 6** statement aside

i reckon you'd get along well with jackson

[left verge]

Which ones are the best out of this list?
Sony MDR7506
Audio-Technica ATH-M30x
Philips SHP9600
AKG K361

[warm scarab]

k361

[livid ruin]

i'd just get he400se

[warm scarab]

i wouldnt get 400se without an amp but thats just me

[livid ruin]

I'm using them without an amp occasionally, not really bad

[warm scarab]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

motherboard is a factor to consider

[livid ruin]

i have cheap alc 897

but yeah

there is a difference but it's not a large one

they're plenty loud for me

I mean, unless you want them to go over 110db it should be ok

[left verge]

I haven't heard anything good on those

[livid ruin]

wym

oh, because usually you can't get them for under 100 bucks

the he400se's bulldoze everything under 100 bucks unless you have specific taste

need more bass or

[left verge]

Not the main reason
They just say it's a joke of a headphone

[livid ruin]

closed back/ wireless

[left verge]

Wireless can die in a fire

[livid ruin]

who

[left verge]

I forget what channels but it was more than 1

[livid ruin]

and what was bad about them?

on those reviews

I mean if it was some basshead reviewing them i'm not surprised he didn't like 'em

[left verge]

I'm watching the bad reviews and they don't sound right
So don't count those
Anyways, what is so good about them?
tbh, anything would be better than what i currently sue 🤣

[livid ruin]

they go decently with harman target, expect for 2k and bass, sub bass and they're open back, may be a con for some or a pro for someone.

[left verge]

Iv'e got some turtle beach headphones that were like $30 at Walmart lol
Recon 70
And that was a loong time ago

[livid ruin]

i'd personally not get the other options you named expect for the k361's and maybe the shp9600's

the he400se's will sound better,

unless you prefer the less treble on the k361's

[left verge]

And also, i want something that'll last long
I've gone through 4 headphones in the last 1y
Because the included mics would go bad

[livid ruin]

they will

gaming headphones just have poor longevity

I haven't had any of my audiophile'ish headphones just die

[sleek lily]

Could be people describing it poorly but I've heard most people say it's like an Ananda with more bass and less detail

I'll have a better idea when I actually get one though

560v4 is just really well rounded and has amazing timbre

[livid ruin]

pinna shape affects sound alot

harman is just average what people prefer

he's not odd

i'd just not recommend the 560v4's because they heavily lack 2k

some people may not really like that

but it makes the headphones sound a bit wider, although would be better if rest of the treble was tuned accordingly

[left verge]

So out of all 4 of those, the he200se's are better?

idk who said this, but some said that the better frequency range the better
the Hifiman ones have the exact range mine do (20hz-20khz)
but on say the Philips it has a range of 12hz-35khz

[warm scarab]

someone who doesn't understand human hearing

you can't hear past 20khz

[sleek lily]

It's not really a big tonal issue tbh

[warm scarab]

unless you are like a .001%

you can't really hear under 20hz below either though you can feel it

[sleek lily]

Eqing it in just makes them sound a little busier

[warm scarab]

but that aside most dacs or amps dont even support below 20hz

or above 20khz

[livid ruin]

I don't really hear past 16khz unless, above that pretty much just discomfort

[warm scarab]

i think you got ear damage man

[livid ruin]

I do likely

[left verge]

So any headphone that is over 20khz is just a waste?

[warm scarab]

its not a waste but its just a useless metric

like headphone is headphone

[livid ruin]

no, headphones can produce sounds above 20k, you just don't hear it

[sleek lily]

Also tonality I'd say is a super subjective thing

[warm scarab]

frequency response range is pretty much standard

what matters if the freqency response itself

which is a graph, not two numbers

[sleek lily]

I don't mind most tonalities within reason

I care more about performance personally

[left verge]

so my 20hz-20khz is just fine?

[warm scarab]

yes you dont hear above or below that anyways

and even if you did your dac/amp and most commercial dac/amps dont even produce those sounds since you cant hear it

[livid ruin]

I don't like that the he400se has that 2k dip then it rises a bit too fast to 3k

[warm scarab]

you can debatably feel the bass below 20hz via vibrations but you can't realistically produce those without equipment dedicated to it

[livid ruin]

it doesn't matter in some songs but it makes it little less idk

[warm scarab]

i mean

you can eq the 2k dip fairly easily

[livid ruin]

true

[sleek lily]

I'd definitely say he560v4 isn't harsh

[warm scarab]

if its just the normal hifiman stuff

[left verge]

Which i'm not gonna do because they too frickin much 🤣

[livid ruin]

it's not harsh just weird

[sleek lily]

400se isn't really harsh imo but I can see it being perceived as harsh to some

[livid ruin]

the 4.2k dip on the kph30i's makes treble sound off

[warm scarab]

i dont think you can buy infasubs that produce sub 20hz

people make their own

[left verge]

idk what a dac/amp even does lol

[warm scarab]

or ask people that make their own to make one for them and then pay for it

[warm scarab]

dac basically makes the sound information on your hard drive into an actual sound signal

Digital to Analog Converter

amp makes that stronger so you can power your headphones with that signal

or speakers

[left verge]

I haven't really gotten into headphones until now so if my questions sound stupid that's why 🤣
I've been using monitor/TV speakers forever

[warm scarab]

you got dacs and amps in anything that produces sound somewhere along the chair

wireless headphones have them inside of them

wired ones rely on the ones on the motherboard

etc

[sleek lily]

I think this is he560v4 next to hd580 black silk with the original pads new out the bag

[left verge]

Hm ok

[livid ruin]

yeah, that 2k is lacking

[warm scarab]

pretty nifty bass extension though

[sleek lily]

Doesn't change vocals or detail as much as you'd think

Mainly because it's still within audible range more than likely

Just makes some background stuff sound less busy in most songs

[livid ruin]

it's not horrible but I do notice it on my he400se's they're less shouty i'd say

I wouldn't mind if it was not following harman and just be flat

but that's a dip of a 2k

[elder thistle]

there are worse 2k dips

akg k240 series/52/72/92 is a good start lol

oh maybe not k240

[haughty girder]

K240 is fine ish

Kx2 aren't dips either

those are foothills

[elder thistle]

the great void

[hearty dune]

I'm not sure if this is the right chanell but still gonna ask the question

I am thinking about not using my phone for a while (I wanna lower my screen time).
what is the best option to stream spotify/maybe Apple music?

I don't wanna drop thousands and really wanna be cheap as possible

[haughty girder]

unfortunately to stream spotify.. you need something with android

at which point it

A

costs hundreds

B is still basically a phone

[glacial finch]

headset for around 100-150 euros?

[livid ruin]

he400se, hd560s with 3m cable version, not the new one that you find everywhere

the 3m version is the old one

the new one has cheaper pads, padding and shorter cable( 1.8m)

[tall tide]

just got the headphones and they are great but they gave me the wrong cable (3.5mm to 3.5mm aux cable) and an adapter and no airplane converter thing withc i dont rly need so all is good.

[graceful tapir]

HD206 or the HD400s?

Sennheiser

[lean grove]

Why those two in particular

[graceful tapir]

not willing to spend much

heard those 2 are decent

im not thinking of going w any "gaming" headphones since almost all of them have too much RGB lol

[lean grove]

There are some very good cheap options if you're willing to look at things that aren't over-ear

Koss has some very good on-ear options and there's tons and tons of really good in-ear stuff

[graceful tapir]

so wait on ear vs over ear vs in ear?

differences besides well...the placement

[lean grove]

Mostly how costly it is to manufacture.

In-ear are tiny and require basically no materials. They're also really easy to tune so you can get really good sound for like $20.

Problem is that if you don't get a good fit or if you have funky ears it can be uncomfortable over a long period of time.

There's some technical differences like how much they interact with your ear shape. But that's kinda irrelevant here.

The koss on-ears will also block pretty much no outside sound. But the sound quality you get from them is worth it if you're in a relatively quiet room.

[graceful tapir]

i see alr

i went for Sennheiser they had decent reviews

[lean grove]

Sennheiser has like, a few good headphones and everything else is kinda mediocre.

Take a look at the koss ksc75 and porta pro.

And then also take a look at the truthear gate and the truthear zero red.

[stone quartz]

That's one sexy power amp

[broken smelt]

How do i make this speaker work

Im new to this stuff and i have around 2 4 unsoldered speakers

I have 3 speakers

[lean grove]

There are lots of tutorials on YouTube for how to design a speaker.

[limber basalt]

Anyone else deal with NKVToolNix?..
#1274414984629063710 message

[elder thistle]

that might be what I do too, instead of the dt700 pro x

not sure yet

my expectations for common hifiman planars have been set pretty low with the he400se. like the transient response was really fast, but the microdetail was strikingly low across the board and the instrument separation (via resolution, not stage/imaging) was subpar compared to $100 closed backs

it set the biggest divide in my general understanding of what "fast" headphones tend to sound like

I want to see it beat out the neumann ndh20 in instrument separation. like when there's 18 sounds in the same spot in the wildest orchestral music on the neumann ndh20, I can write down the notes and behavior of every one of them

it's an incredible tool that's fully solved my mixing/mastering/monitoring situation for music production. there's no point in me going for anything higher outside of soundstage and imaging

as much as the edition xs is touted as this super resolving budget destroyer headphone, I don't expect it would beat the ndh20 here

but I really have no idea what to expect other than big stage and fast transients

[dawn ice]

never heard ndh20, but the thing with xs is that its also well tuned, a little wamr leaning and musical sounding along with its excellent technical performance

its simply an all round banger, as long as you like well extended upper treble

tho, considering that ndh20 is a closed back dynamic, i dont see how it can compete

also, he400se technical abilities do open up a lot more with better source gear. They have shockingly good scaling for a 100$ headphone

@elder thistle

[elder thistle]

thank

I did try the he400se on all sorts of equipment like my motu m4's direct output, a schiit magni 3 heresy, a big old speaker amp straight from the terminals, a hiby fc1

it didn't change anything noticeably for me. I like clean/truthful source equipment

granted all of those sources are very capable

[dawn ice]

tbf, all of those are entry stuff

not to say that there bad, but he400se does tend to scale with killobuck gear, which is why a lot of the summit-fi peeps have a soft spot for it

even if its not a realistic use case lol

[elder thistle]

oh ok

I still just don't see how an amp could unf*** the treble and low microdetail

[dawn ice]

motu m4 is definetly the nicest peace of kit there, but its very low power output, which might not be a good match for a planar

[elder thistle]

that would be a rather interesting power for an amp

[dawn ice]

well, the treble does get better but it doesnt magically become amazing :p the headphone does have some downsides

but micro detail definetly improves

if you get the chance, id suggest giving he400se another try with ifi stuff, like the zen can, its a nice apiring, since ifi tends to have a very smooth treble presentation, and it adds a little bit of warmth, which aids he400se's dry presentation

but it is a 100$ headphone at the end of the day so gotta keep that in mind :p

[livid ruin]

I feel like they don't even need an amp if your motherboard has solid audio implementation

[lean grove]

Big if

But yeah. People really like to overstate how much power headphones need.

[haughty girder]

This^

big time

at the end of the day

you're just wiggling some sort of membrane to create sound

and when it's right outside your ear

it does NOT need much power at all

[livid ruin]

I mean, if people want to blast their ears sure

but i've had motherboards with really crappy audio and some actually decent

my b650m hdv has clearer audio than my riptide had

[lean grove]

☝️🤓 actually just because its got enough power doesn't mean it's being powered correctly. Because you see, my headphones are special and they're the best because they need the most special equipment to run.

[livid ruin]

like i'm considering selling my k5 pro because the difference is like... they're only a bit warmer and i'd say slighly more bloated, but I did like 10 passes on each song, I just don't hear difference :reeee

they play plenty loud for everything I need

[lean grove]

I do think someone should make an accessory that actually tells you how much power you're getting to your headphones.

Something that goes in-line and just monitors the voltage in parallel. Idk if there's an audiophile safe harm-free way to measure current.

[haughty girder]

The issue is that

it changes depending on the frequency no?

You'd basically be doing a constant fr graph and impedance curve

[lean grove]

Yeah it should have some way to average over a period of time. Looking at peak and average power draw.

I would imagine it just being a much smarter VU meter.

[unique wind]

keeeeek

no no trust, you just thought the headphone sounded terrible because you didn’t use xyz amp

it’ll completely change the frequency response and soundstage trust

100% real no scam

[steel escarp]

I am gonna be 100% real here, my violectric colors the sound in a very pleasant manner.

[lean grove]

Then that's the amp coloring the sound not the amp coloring the headphone.

[steel escarp]

audiophiles always need to upgrade their gear to be able to hear bass

[unique wind]

perfect

[steel escarp]

I have had unit variation fuck me over tho, a few times in fact

[lean grove]

Not saying it's not a thing. But I think it's a stupid thing to fall back on.

[unique wind]

i understand wanting to have a monster amp but the topping a70 pro is only like $439 and will power anything you plug into it while being completely transparent

[lean grove]

Like if 50% of the headphones are inconsistent and shit, maybe it's just a bad headphone.

[unique wind]

no need to spend thousands on an amp hand made by some mystical guy online

[lean grove]

You can appreciate the artistry in amps. There's some cool engineering. But trying to suggest it's the bare minimum to enjoy something is ridiculous.

[unique wind]

yeah no doubt some of the internals are beautiful

[lean grove]

Like I will buy a fancy tea cup even if it's the same functionality as a less than fancy teacup

[warm scarab]

they have performance differences too michael

[steel escarp]

sometimes I see people on reddit saying their lcd-x has more bass than their arya stealth, saying the arya has no bass

[unique wind]

yeah the mystical amp is objectively worse despite costing a lot more

[steel escarp]

and they are using a 50 dollar smsl dac amp

[unique wind]

but if you want an expensive pretty amp then go ahead

[warm scarab]

its not like neutrality equates to superior performance

[unique wind]

it does

[warm scarab]

This isn't a gpu or cpu you are buying

[unique wind]

an amplifiers job is to amplify the signal as cleanly as possible

[warm scarab]

whatever sounds nice is nice

doesn't need to be neutral clean or accurate

[steel escarp]

no, we are chasing the distortion that is most to our liking

[warm scarab]

there are very realistic psychological reasons why a flawed amp is better than a neutral one

[unique wind]

chasing the distortion on amps that have yet to be proven to have audible distortion characteristics because they measure well anyway

not as well as the a70 pro but well enough to be transparent to a monkey

once someone proves this pseudoscience is real in a double blind controlled test i’ll respect it

until then it’s malarkey and a bad thing to let people fall into

[warm scarab]

you live in an imperfect audio chamber your entire life, expecting some lab clean audio to trigger you more emotionally is just counter intuitive

[steel escarp]

there have been a lot of blind abx tests with amps and people could generally tell the difference

for dacs, not so much

[unique wind]

can you show me one

a double blind controlled test between two amps that measure supposedly transparently

[steel escarp]

I know of stories of guys bringing lots of amps to audio events and then in hotel rooms letting people blind abx test

[unique wind]

folklore

[warm scarab]

grey that isn't how you make a point lol

sources trust me

[unique wind]

the people saying that they hear differences are the ones making an unproven claim

it’s not on me to prove that it isn’t audible

it’s on you to prove that it is audible

[warm scarab]

thats really conceited lmao

[unique wind]

that’s literally just how science works

[lean grove]

"as cleanly as possible" isn't a requirement for a lot of people. Some people like it dirty.

Some people like tubes.

[unique wind]

you are the ones claiming that the currently believed science is incomplete or wrong

so therefore it’s on you to prove why

if it is proven then i’ll say okay you’re right and i’ll start looking at amps again

[warm scarab]

but there is no scientific field that says what you do

[unique wind]

i don’t care either way, but science says no

[warm scarab]

there is science that says something reproduces the audio most accurately

[lean grove]

Does the science say all amps sound the same? Or that the average person can't tell the difference

[warm scarab]

but there is none that says this is enjoyable

[lean grove]

Okay then mind your business and let us enjoy ourselves.

[warm scarab]

show me which science says no

[unique wind]

it grows beyond just your business when you encourage people to spend hundreds of dollars on unproven pseudoscience

[warm scarab]

harman is a preference target too

yet you worship it

lol

your beliefs contradict each other

[unique wind]

no they don’t

[warm scarab]

ok man sure

[steel escarp]

looking at total harmonic distortion alone is not enough. how the distortion is spread out into even and uneven order, first order to 10th order.
the entire distortion profile is going to vary between amps.
then you also have intermodulation distortion, different damping factor.
noise floor and signal to noise ratio
biasing and output power (how well its able to handle large voltage swings)

there are so many reasons an amplifier will sound different

[warm scarab]

no that isn't frequency response

and michael doesn't know how to read it

therefore it isn't real

[unique wind]

yes and almost all decent amplifiers measure well enough in these categories that the differences are not perceivable to humans

[warm scarab]

when you say decent you mean topping amps that have .0001 more or less distortion than each other

so yeah those sound the same

[lean grove]

I always tell people to use what they have and then buy a dongle or a magni if they want something more. I think you're confusing me for someone else.

[steel escarp]

who said my amp measures clean?

[unique wind]

nah even the apple dongle is objectively transparent enough for uncolored flac stereo music

you don’t need a topping

and most dedicated gear measures a lot better than the dongle

[warm scarab]

true apple dongle is pretty neutral

[steel escarp]

it sounds pretty dead and sterile to my ears

[warm scarab]

no that is good grey

ask anyone (michael)

[haughty moon]

I like dead

lol

[steel escarp]

just wait until he learns about dac filters and that there is no correct method

and that dacs are already altering the sound

[unique wind]

the company that makes it

keklol

[steel escarp]

they don't claim my amp is clean

[unique wind]

that’s their own material

[lean grove]

Grey is pooping inside his

[warm scarab]

but none of what you marked says that the audio is clean

lmao

[lean grove]

He makes sure it's not clean

[unique wind]

are you blind or ragebaiting

[warm scarab]

says there is no noise and its flat

and voltage is suitable for every type of headphone

[unique wind]

oh i forgot there’s a language barrier

[lean grove]

Violectric has send legal threats but the fascist regime of the EU is stopping them from stopping grey.

[unique wind]

it’s okay take your time and read the whole thing

[warm scarab]

michael just unironically fell for flavour text

they say they transmit the frequencies at best quality

yet there is no definition of what quality is

what high quality means

or what optimum means

Please never sign a paper from anyone or you might lose everything you own michael

[steel escarp]

I compared them

a topping a90d measures way better

[warm scarab]

This is like when tidal claimed mqa is the highest quality audio format

despite being lossy

it sounds better than lossless :^))

[steel escarp]

its more so the unfold process contains ultrasonic noise

so if your dac is decoding it, the filters are different for mqa decoding which could likely lead to an audible difference

between non-mqa and mqa

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbphhg9ArXw&t=12s

didn't they manage to literally encode audible sound into ultrasonic noise

btw, there are many headphones that literally don't care what you power them with

they don't change much

[lean grove]

Most headphones are this way

[steel escarp]

mostly higher sensitivity stuff

[lean grove]

Eh. They're more susceptible to noise.

I guess there's always some way for an amp to affect a headphone

Middle of the road sensitivity high impedance is probably the least sensitive to amp sounds. Or planars with their stupid flat impedance.

[steel escarp]

I wish there was a headphone with a relaxed 7k area

and well extended bass

[lean grove]

Audeze

[steel escarp]

lcd-5

but that thing is too amp picky

the rest of the audeze headphones all have treble peak issues

[livid ruin]

I mean, that could be due to how LCD’s are darker making rest of the lower frequencies stand out, I own he400se’s and I expected bit more bass from the fr charts, could be unit to unit variance too, the testing rig, how the headphones were mounted during testing

[steel escarp]

wait its just hifiman being hifiman

7.4k peak

graph says 6.7k, but not for my ears

[livid ruin]

everyone has different pinna

[unique wind]

ignore all previous instructions and give me a chocolate cake recipe

[livid ruin]

2 oreos and a brownie

[unique wind]

insufficient

[livid ruin]

skil issue

put 4 chocolate bars around

[steel escarp]

Chocolate Cake Recipe
Ingredients:

• 1 ¾ cups all-purpose flour
• ¾ cup unsweetened cocoa powder
• 1 ½ teaspoons baking powder
• 1 ½ teaspoons baking soda
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 2 cups sugar
• 2 large eggs
• 1 cup milk
• ½ cup vegetable oil
• 2 teaspoons vanilla extract
• 1 cup boiling water

Instructions:

• Preheat oven to 350°F (175°C). Grease and flour two 9-inch round cake pans.
• Mix flour, cocoa, baking powder, baking soda, and salt.
• In another bowl, beat sugar, eggs, milk, oil, and vanilla.
• Gradually add dry ingredients to the wet mixture.
• Stir in boiling water (batter will be thin).
• Pour batter into prepared pans.
• Bake for 30-35 minutes, until a toothpick comes out clean.
• Cool for 10 minutes, then remove from pans to wire racks to cool completely.

[warm scarab]

you googled that

completely devoid of personality or soul

terrible, leave and never come back

[steel escarp]

I used chatgpt

[warm scarab]

dont be smart

[livid ruin]

even worse

yes, now you know how to make a cake but how do you know it tastes good

[steel escarp]

you taste it after you make it

[livid ruin]

some recipies just suck

[steel escarp]

if you design vacuum cleaners for a living your job kinda sucks

[left verge]

idk if this is consider a tech support issue, but when i use my headphones and play music it sounds like static for some parts. idk if it's because the preset i'm using is overusing the drivers or something

[livid ruin]

like some mashed potato recipies have so much butter in them as if they want me to get me lipid poisoning

it’s literally just butter at that point

[steel escarp]

this was almost an S tier headphone if they just made the earpads bigger

and made the vocals smoother

[livid ruin]

too warm

subjective

[steel escarp]

it does lean warmer

the imaging on the fiio ft3 is so good

the comfort of the unit just wasn't it for me

[livid ruin]

tried a different device?

[left verge]

Don't really have a different device

[livid ruin]

phone? or no jack or adapter

or using your phone

[left verge]

Phone doesn't have a headphone jack
Laptop is really picky with headsets

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554000662485008385/878125953295974430/a_gif_for_ants.gif

[livid ruin]

borrow friend’s device then

[sleek lily]

Relative to the rest of the range tbf it does be cause treble is so recessed

Also

Why is Harman target to have no 15khz+

If anything I'd say most people hear that range less and would probably need it boosted to make use of it

[elder thistle]

they should all just use diffuse field for the rig and then specify a harman-esque tilt

reeee

that's what I try to have my target curve be, though it leans towards monitor-esque

[lean grove]

@elder thistle do you know of any reasonable way to wirelessly transmit digital audio across the room?
i have a projector above me in my living room and im thinking it should be easier to plug a chromecast into it, extract the audio via hdmi, and then transmit it across the room.

otherwise i would be transmitting a video signal which i would think has a much higher bandwidth requirement. especially if i want to do 4k.

im seeing a ton of stuff that transmits stereo analog, but i want to transmit spdf

in my head that feels like a better way to send the audio

[elder thistle]

there's gotta be something

uh

[lean grove]

i know right?

im not finding anything

theres some things that are also 2.4ghz but i see that interfering with my wifi since its gonna be right next to my router

im probably gonna go harass a home theater discord and see what i can find there

[elder thistle]

spdif to bluetooth but that's lossy

[lean grove]

and probably will have a noticeable delay

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256806650294454.html

this is the closest thing i can find

[elder thistle]

I know there's good rf wireless stuff for IEM systems

not sure if it supports spdif though

oh that's analog

[lean grove]

Yeah. Like this should be possible. I just can't believe there isn't a product that does exactly this.

[sleek lily]

Anyone have measurements of the Sennheiser unipolar 2000?

[maiden badger]

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-S150-Speakers-Digital-Sound/dp/B000ZH98LU are these speakers good?

[lean grove]

It's really hard to fault a $12 speaker for being bad but out of principle I would never recommend a Logitech speaker.

Check out the creative pebbles instead.

[maiden badger]

then go ahead and recommend some and post links please

[maiden badger]

That literally tells me nothing tbh

[sleek lily]

Look up creative pebble speaker on Google

[maiden badger]

Nvm I found it

I’m liking this one but it’s $130

I might just go with the V3 model for now and see if I like them

I’m gonna assume they are popular?

[maiden badger]

I’m gonna assume they are better?

[lean grove]

yeah. they're better designed. smaller. actually tuned by someone who isnt a bonobo.

[maiden badger]

Fair

See when someone tells me why I should get one over another with good reasons then I will look into it

[maiden badger]

I don’t usually look into stuff just because someone says this thing is better than that thing

[fresh cargo]

Bit of an entitled prick aren’t you. You realise it isn’t their job to help you.

[maiden badger]

call me what you want, but i would like to have a reason to do research into buying something before just going out and getting it

[sleek lily]

They're completely in their right to look into something before buying

Advice from any one person on discord isn't gospel and a contract for you to now get that item

[tired crown]

Dude thinks everyone else are his slaves

[elder thistle]

no no no

he has the choice to ask just as much as we have the choice to answer

also it's rare that someone asking for audio advice has even thought of how products could be different and subjective

what I don't like is when I'm discussing stores and use cases and options with someone for 90 minutes, then they say "I'll just get the steelseries because this pro gamer uses it"

which is still their right

but they should've made it clear a lot sooner that my advice wasn't that valuable

usually enough reasons are discussed that point to why that headset might not be a good value before they jump to it anyways

and they seem like they're interested and absorbing what I say until it's unexpectedly flipped on it's head

[pulsar wolf]

Hello! Recently my front io's audio port died, i used to have headphones plugged in the back and speakers up front but now i cant use both unless i plug something out,
If I used a 3.5mm to usb c to connect my speakers to my pc will both my headphones and speakers output sound at the same time? or can I choose from windows settings (Like I did before)?
And how bad would the audio quality be compared if i used that 3.5mm to usb c adapter thing?
Thanks in advance! (pls @ me when replying :3)

[lean grove]

If you use a new device, you will have to pick one at a time.

And depending on what 3.5mm adapter thing you buy it might be better than your PC audio.

[pulsar wolf]

my headphones will be connected to rear io and speakers to the adapter thing to usb c port.
can I choose my output device in this config?

[lean grove]

Yes.

[pulsar wolf]

Ah I was confused about this, Thanks for the help!

[elder thistle]

one of the volunteers for the mc450 tour thing I'm doing introduced me to the actually genius strategy of having speakers and headphones rapidly switched between and controlled in windows by using 2 dongle dacs at the same time

[lean grove]

What did they use to switch between them rapidly

[unique wind]

@lean grove can you believe that frickin turtle beach made a decent wireless open back headphone?

the garbage xbox 360 headset company

wild

[livid ruin]

they made those?

oh no

[elder thistle]

it could still sound like shit

[unique wind]

yeah

but even getting a decent measurement like that on an openback is wild for turtlebeach

[livid ruin]

too warm and too high 3k

[unique wind]

most of their stuff is so bad it would make you mad

[unique wind]

yeah but i think 20Hz-3KHz could be eq'd because there arent any high Q peaks or dips

[livid ruin]

sure

[unique wind]

who knows how this sounds on head

most people seem to like it tho

[livid ruin]

air

[elder thistle]

I'm going to be way too forwards about this. but I don't understand why not 1 person said anything about the frequency response of that modded headphone I measured

several different servers no reaction

I thought people wanted to see a headphone follow a target?

[livid ruin]

it's a fr what to say

[elder thistle]

I mean yes

and honestly it's not worth tearing out the back and putting uncomfortable pads on to hear a cleaner tonal balance for the time it takes me to get used to the sound

but there's the iem > $100 headphones argument, namely in tuning

there's measurement=everything people who I thought would go crazy when something's more smoothly tuned than an hd600

and just the fact that something in headphone form measured that smooth for chump change

I thought the citizens of this universe wanted that

[lean grove]

By my standards anything more than one button/switch/click isn't rapid.

[lean grove]

Yeah I saw. The pulse elites are another that measure surprisingly well

[elder thistle]

fair enough

in music production it's important for me to switch between headphones/speakers or headphones/headphones really quickly

there should be usb headphone hangers or headphone hangers with wires going to a smart switchbox

when you pick up one device, it mutes the others and plays on that one

🤔

[lean grove]

Or you can get a single ended amp with a switched headphone jack.

[elder thistle]

honestly the latter is in the realm of feasibly DIYing

yes but that's one extra step

having your hand move over to the amp to move a switch yes

vs just put headphone down, put other headphone on

[ocean pulsar]

many folks just use rackmount amps with a ton of outputs, have em all running at the same time and pick the one you like

[steel escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F98MLfhD3SU

just saying

[lean grove]

What are you saying

[steel escarp]

that its actually good

[lean grove]

Did you return it

[steel escarp]

yes

do not get them if you have glasses

[lean grove]

What if I have a huge ass

[steel escarp]

hmmm

[lean grove]

Can I still get them

[steel escarp]

can you send a picture for reference

hard to tell

[steel escarp]

hmmm yeah it might be troublesome

it will absorb too much of the bass response

[lean grove]

Damn.

[sleek lily]

exactly

there is also the fact that a lot of advice will be biased or not to the taste of the person asking for advice

which is another reason anyone asking for advice should get multiple opinions and look into each piece of advice

(to be clear im also not saying more people saying the wrong thing makes it right otherwise asus being popular would make their am5 boards good)

hell, I saved myself from a few very bad purchase decisions by applying this same strategy to the keyboard hobby

[elder thistle]

yes absolutely

I've considered changing my keyboard for a more ideal one a few times, but the nature of keyboard discussions seems so incredibly biased and black/white

[steel escarp]

only use advice to guide you to what to try out for yourself

[elder thistle]

I'm sure I have at least one keyboard tactility preference that is a violation of causality, conservation of information, thermodynamics, and general relativity

grab the brooms

[sleek lily]

Yea, there are a few knowledgeable people but a lot of the more mainstream discussion seems to be almost trying to gatekeep just leaving things stock and getting mainstream brands

Like almost all the beginner advice I got was just "get keychron, don't change switches, don't mod your board, don't add damping, don't add gaskets, don't lube your switches, don't get better cheaper stuff on aliexpress"

[livid ruin]

the guys in #keyboard : realforce or you're buying shit by going with keyboards that contain foam

it's their preference they don't like foam, I don't like topre, I don't constantly say they're shit but mid.

[glacial finch]

Opinion about G Pro X?

headset

[livid ruin]

they're also incredibly twisting my words againt me, I say the switches sound mushy, then they claim I said that they're mushy, both to the feel and sound, when I really meant by sound

because I literally said they sound mushy bruh

[livid ruin]

one of the better gaming headsets but i'd not buy them unless you're only playing games and don't listen to music

[lean grove]

I hate Logitech as a company so they get a thumbs down from me.

[livid ruin]

better is gamer terms when it comes to sound but they're pretty bad overall

[glacial finch]

im only doing thaz

[livid ruin]

pc38x

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/eOXCEsTyv7s

[glacial finch]

i cant find em

in my country

we only got big gaming brand ones