audio-tech

[haughty girder]

the earcups for me are like

in between on and over ear

it's not small enough to be a proper on ear

it's not big enough to completely go over

[dawn ice]

https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/truthear-x-crinacle-zero-red-dual-dynamic-drivers-in-ear-headphone

[gentle quiver]

Shipping time 10-15th june. I do love time traveling delivery

[sleek lily]

Best 6x0 imo

I just need to get the original top pad and ear pads

[primal fulcrum]

They look just like Sony XB950AP/XB950BT, those were the goat for fun bass.

The hinges just had a cracking/breaking problem.

[hard iron]

Sup lads, I'm looking for new headphones, but I can't decide which to choose. My requirements are a 3.5mm jack on the cans itself to plug in a boom mic, as I had bad experiences with the ModMic and I don't want a desk mic. Sound-wise I want a "fun" headphone, as in being warmer, but not too much bass making it "drummy". Do you have any suggestions? Currently eyeing out the Fidelio X2HR and some of the HD500s from Sennheiser with the 2.5mm jack.

[restive rivet]

Hey, idk if this fully suits the channel but I am trying to look into an electric piano and was wondering if there are any that can play audio on the pc or if theres a way to get one to do so otherwise?
And any other advice that may be present for getting an electric keyboard, I am new to it

[livid ruin]

meh

[sleek lily]

What's the budget?

[hard iron]

Like 200 tops including the mic

Maaaaybe a bit over budget if it's really good

[sleek lily]

Just get the open box he560v4 on hifiman site and a cheap mic tbh

[hard iron]

But how does that work? It needs like a two cable setup, I can only find microphones with one cable.

[sleek lily]

Wym?

[hard iron]

Something like the V-Moda Boompro

[lean grove]

our friend wants one of these

[sleek lily]

You don't plug the microphone into the headphones

[sleek lily]

Oh

Just get an on desk mic

Inline mic's on headphones kinda sucks

[lean grove]

what dont you like about your fideleos @hard iron

oh wait envermind you dont have them

i misread it

[hard iron]

Yeah xd

[lean grove]

yeah i mean, fidelios are an okay buy if you can find them for below $100

[hard iron]

I used a modmic before, but it really sucks

[lean grove]

take a look at the pc37x and pc38x. they're headsets with great mics

[hard iron]

Cable hardened over time and got brittle and the locking mechanism loosened up after some time leading to wobble sounds even if you just slightly moved your head

I think most reviews of that mic seems to just test it once and be done with it

[sleek lily]

Does he really need a mic on the headphone though?

Cause if so that's just a worse mic with a worse headphone

[hard iron]

I don't like desk microphones

They are just in the way and pick of keyboard sounds and everything

[lean grove]

the pc38x is pretty much a 560s while being weirdly cheaper than a 560s.

[hard iron]

But didn't Epos go out of business?

[sleek lily]

560s is a lot worse than he560v4

[hard iron]

Isn't it just a colaboration between Epos and Drop?

[sleek lily]

But it's also not 560s

[lean grove]

yeah but they've got the same numbers 🦍

[lean grove]

hmmm. they are out of stock

i dont know why they wouldnt be able to make a 38x without epos though

[hard iron]

I think because Epos laid off all their staff

They went out of business

Hence why I'm kind of weary buying one. I wanna be able to get replacement parts in case something breaks.

[lean grove]

there was a pc38x before epos iirc

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard iron]

It would be available for 169€ on Amazon

[lean grove]

really the only parts that are subject to need replacements are the pads and the acble. and both are pretty standard

[hard iron]

Considering the X2HR would be 166€ with the mic, I think the choice is clear between those

Fidelio alone is like 150

Wacky German prices amirite

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[hard iron]

Got any other options off the top of your head? I just wanna see what is out there

[lean grove]

nothing off the top of my head that meets your needs

[hard iron]

It's a pretty niche need, i know :D

That microphone stuff crosses out a lot of options

[lean grove]

it sure does

[hard iron]

But a desk mic is just very bulky, in the way and picks up keyboard sounds way too much

Like having a whole arm just hanging across the desk is kinda meh

[lean grove]

the arm works pretty well for me

i have it off to the side 99% of the time

[hard iron]

My brother has one too but it's just way too bulky

[primal fulcrum]

is it with bass boost on or off? Obviously you want it on for maximum bass

[livid ruin]

unsure

But i'm rather worried about that 800hz peak

[primal fulcrum]

1000xm3 & xb900 both have too little bass with the equalizer at maximum +bass

they nerfed the bass latest gen

Head doesn't vibrate enough

[sleek lily]

You can just get a microphone on a tiny tripod. You don't need a whole arm

Something like this

[hard iron]

That would just be in the way even more if I wanna type something

[primal fulcrum]

I bet they used cable connection. The battery amplified Bass Boost button only works with Bluetooth.

I don't have my anymore, but it was like wearing a subwoofer on your head.

[honest schooner]

Can someone please recommend me and really good gaming headset for 60 dollars and under

Something long lasting and optimal

[lean grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOXCEsTyv7s

[molten lotus]

i wish i had a house in the middle of no-where so i can buy the biggest speakers ever, put them either side of my desk and blast music all night

[primal fulcrum]

Everything sounds louder at night?

[primal fulcrum]

Maybe you could put a shelf on each side of your shoulders & put the speakers just at head level.

[warm scarab]

user error

[hard iron]

It being in the way is somehow user error.

[elder thistle]

optimal for what? and you shouldnt get your hopes up with durability for $60

all normal headsets will have a fixed cable

[unreal gate]

im looking for a interface for my guitar which inerface would be great

[haughty girder]

it is, actually

there's something called mic technique

[hard iron]

Enlighten me

[next anvil]

hey hyperx quadcast s or the logitech g blue sona mic ?

or is there a better usb or xlr mic i should get?

also usb or xlr?

[unreal gate]

id hyperx i have on and its amazing

[haughty girder]

Both are pretty mediocre

[hard iron]

So I get no enlightenment, aight

[ember willow]

Has anyone noticed distortion at higher volumes while using ur phone compared to a pc?
Like at a volume level on a headphone, it won't distort when connected to ur pc but distorts when connected to the phone

[haughty girder]

Oop

Basically

You move the mic closer to your mouth to increase signal noise ratio

if you can get it close enough to your mouth, your signal is very high compared to noise, meaning the noise will be quieter at an equivalent signal level

[sleek lily]

Finally got a chance to test my damping he6se mod

Sounds less wide but adds a lot more dynamics to micro details and weight to highs. It has a bit more but to a noticeable degree impact and detail, and fixes the layering and imaging, especially in rear stage but front stage is still a bit smeared imo.

[supple robin]

keep in mind theirs regular boomarms then low profile boom arms

[tough lava]

i move my mouth away from the mic to breathe

[tough lava]

You don't need a house in the middle of nowhere to do that dude.

[next anvil]

what would you recommend for an xlr mic?

[supple robin]

check in the podcastage server

i'd ask their.

[elder thistle]

I'm worried that the stuffing could find its way into the driver

[sleek lily]

Nah, the foam blocks it

Even if it did though it wouldn't matter

[haughty girder]

Not neccesarily

If you just want a mic that works, grab a Seiren Mini

[stone quartz]

Can I passively split an optical audio cable, or will the signal be too low?

[warm scarab]

almost like there is an entire industry based on this

go buy a 5$ mic or a 10000$ one if you don't know how to use it the difference doesn't matter

[warm scarab]

try

id also like to know this

[stone quartz]

I'll see if I can find an adapter online

[warm scarab]

solder another optic cable

[stone quartz]

This looks like the thing I need

[warm scarab]

use dispersive prism

[stone quartz]

Sounds pretty complicated

[warm scarab]

yeah it will also probably not work

how the fuck do you split light now that im thinking about it

[stone quartz]

Nowhere near as delicate or tricky as networking fiber, but still probably difficult to make work

[warm scarab]

no i was memeing

[stone quartz]

Oh, i see

[warm scarab]

its the fucking uh

pink flody pyramid

it splits light into color things you'd need to put it back together

[stone quartz]

Pretty sure they do that to push more bandwidth down a single cable already

Splitting it into the different wavelengths on each end

[warm scarab]

plausible i dont know how fiber or optical cables work

apart from light go from one end to other

[stone quartz]

LTT have showed the absolute basics a few times

[haughty girder]

theoretically it shouldn't because toslink uses a single wavelength I believe?

splitting light with a prism is because white light is a bunch of wavelengths put together

[warm scarab]

im being deliberately stupid why are you analyzing this

[haughty girder]

and they have to match up to the speed decrease

[haughty girder]

yo my bad it's ltt

you can't blame me for assuming stupidity

[stone quartz]

It would be interesting to see if TOSLINK could be used for network

Maybe over short distances and low speeds

[warm scarab]

its got a very small bandwidth

[haughty girder]

No point when you could just run coax

[warm scarab]

you could probably do it but like

why

[stone quartz]

Maybe for cable burials to avoid lightning strikes

On a budget

[warm scarab]

idk install lightning rod

epic prank on your neighbors

[haughty girder]

just run it through a proper cable channel if it was installed properly

[warm scarab]

(kill them with the unfathomable power of zeus)

[unique wind]

yah it's been done before

https://www.global.toshiba/ww/news/corporate/2003/02/pr2001.html

[warm scarab]

logically toslink is fibre optic but stupid

idk why you want stupid

[unique wind]

125mbit/s isnt bad for 2003 tbh

in a car lmao

[warm scarab]

125mbps over toslink?

wtf

[stone quartz]

125 megabits really isn't bad even today for some applications

[warm scarab]

yeah like

[stone quartz]

Like CCTV

[lean grove]

That's on par with most people's internet

[warm scarab]

i remember toslink being unsuitable for like 7.1 surround because of shit bandwidth

[haughty girder]

yes and no

it's actually enough if you don't take overhead into account

[warm scarab]

was that in the context of stupid high lossless 7 audio channels in that case

that it goes over 125mpbs

but no that sounds dumb

[unique wind]

i posted the source dawg

[warm scarab]

anyways im going to electrocute my neighbors brb

[unique wind]

[haughty girder]

ADAT runs 8 channels through Toslink

[warm scarab]

unrelated to this

has anyone used whisky stones here

do they actually help the drink keep cool or is it just a shitty gimmick

i cant imagine stone retaining cold really well but i also dont want to get my drink watery

[warm scarab]

ho

who

[unique wind]

theyre kinda trash compared to ice cubes in terms of cooling your drink

[warm scarab]

ah

:/

metal ruins the taste tho

and so does ice

[unique wind]

fridge

[warm scarab]

im not keeping whiskey in the fridge bro

thats cringe

[unique wind]

[warm scarab]

how difficult is it to build a bar ice machine thing

them ices that dont melt

[unique wind]

you need an alcohol fridge

[warm scarab]

im not putting my drinks in the fridge

apart from jagermeister and white wine

[next anvil]

i want a mic that works but also sounds good for when i stream on occasion and also for asmr

[warm scarab]

its cringe

drinks go into the drink shelf

simple as

[unique wind]

fellas is it gay to enjoy a cold drink?

[warm scarab]

no but its gay to put it into the fridge

(not derogatory)

apart from jager

and white wine

one needs to be -18c

other is weird

[unique wind]

europeans scared of fridges and air conditioning

[warm scarab]

do you think we dont have fridges in eu

because you are right i just have a cave layer at -50 that keeps everything cool

also we have a 30 year old a/c

that absolutely fucks

[next anvil]

hey does anyone know a good/the best xlr mic for gaming/occasional streaming and maybe some asmr?

[warm scarab]

20k btu

[warm scarab]

go grab the seiren

its alright

[unique wind]

that thing probably consumes a devious amount of power

but it's bing chilling

[warm scarab]

yeah

[next anvil]

that’s usb not xlr

[warm scarab]

like this one time my friend came over

i flipped the breaker next to it (it doesnt have a power switch)

the lights in the rest of the house went out for like half a sec

[warm scarab]

xm8500

or c1

behringer both

[next anvil]

c1?

[warm scarab]

behringer c1

its a mic

you asked for a mic dont play games with me

[stone quartz]

Would be interesting to know how large the actual conductors are in these speaker cables

Same with these

[warm scarab]

id say probably not wider than the connector themselves

rest is some weird isolation thing

or audiophile dog certified magic crystals from the yeti temple that gave him lacerations

[next anvil]

isn’t that a bit cheap?

[warm scarab]

(real story he made a video about)

[warm scarab]

listen to voice demos

mics arent expensive

[lean grove]

You guys have the cellar and a local grocery that you walk to every day to get your fresh parsnips, leg of ham, and eighteen loaves of bread.

You don't need fridges

[warm scarab]

yes but not entirely true

[stone quartz]

I'm pretty happy with my Samson C02

[warm scarab]

we also have ww1/2 tunnels leading to each grocery store directly from our homes

[stone quartz]

Cost next to nothing and is very old

[warm scarab]

so we can keep cool on our way

but its lawless zone so dont stray away too far away from the main paths or the eastern europeans get you

[next anvil]

i’m looking at videos and all of them are like musicians non are reviewing it as a gaming and streaming mic

[warm scarab]

i mean

if it works for musicians

it works for gaming

its a fuckin mic i dont get the issue

[lean grove]

What does a gaming mic do that a normal mic doesn't

[warm scarab]

yeah i dont understand the problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctgZB4S-jz0

look

sm7b

megashock

[stone quartz]

SM57 is a cool mic

[next anvil]

tbh i’m mainly just trying to decide between the blue sona and the quadcast s, not going with the sure sm7b because you get the same quality with the blue sona but a bit cheaper and doesn’t need a cloud lifter

[warm scarab]

okay but like

why not buy the xm8500 then

[lean grove]

Sm7b 👎

[warm scarab]

its cheaper than all the options

and it sounds virtually the same as an sm7b with like 1 eq profile

[lean grove]

Our friend Emma wants to spend money.

[warm scarab]

and doesn't need a cloudlifter

[lean grove]

Can't stop her.

[next anvil]

and i’m leaning to the blue sona but i’m trying to see if there are better xlr mics than the blue sona

[warm scarab]

its literally the mic you wanted but without any of the downsides

apart from being 380$ cheaper

closer to 500$ considering cloudlifter

[stone quartz]

Blue was better before Logitech purchased them

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/821923810441822278/994352995057811582/IMG_3770.gif

[lean grove]

Consumer blue mics have always been overpriced.

[warm scarab]

blue is lol lmao

do they make competent pro stuff

[stone quartz]

The mouse is pretty cool

[warm scarab]

that looks neat

[stone quartz]

Often compared to the TLM103 I think

[warm scarab]

id vibe with it

start a mic family

[lean grove]

Their professional stuff is fine. People buying blue xlr mics know what they're getting into.

[warm scarab]

didnt emma want an xlr one

i just broke your stereotypes

get destroyed

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cruce-yocruce-kuudere-gif-25224185

[stone quartz]

Made in Western Germany is a throwback

[warm scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902035846235045928/935358683175600168/869641195914141698.gif

[stone quartz]

Jeez, 27 grand

[haughty girder]

sm7b has a very particular sound that works well with male voice actors, not that it's a better mic (or even as good actually) as many other cheaper options

[warm scarab]

one thing ill give sm7b

it has nice bass resolution

detail

idk what to call it

[haughty girder]

yea

that's where the XM8500's weakness is

[warm scarab]

yeah

[haughty girder]

it doesn't pick up lower freqs as cleanly

[warm scarab]

its bass is very loose compared

[haughty girder]

yep

[next anvil]

i’m not male lol

[haughty girder]

so why'd you mention SM7B in the first place?

[warm scarab]

tbf i sort of mentioned it

[haughty girder]

wait nvm

[warm scarab]

but still

xm8500 is a steal

cant complain about shitty bass resolution for 20$

matters less since its for a female voice

[haughty girder]

yep

[lean grove]

@next anvil Klaus said this earlier but I'll say it in a nicer way. You don't need anything fancy for gaming or streaming. People aren't gonna be able to appreciate the nuances and detail on their $30 headsets while there's engine noises, or gunfire, or whatever going on in the background of the game.

Really the only thing that they're gonna notice is if you sound like you're in a toilet and any extra loud noises like fans, keyboard, mouse clicks.

And vocal mics are perfectly fine for that. If you want something fancier, the SE electronics v7 will do all that superbly.

And for the rest, 80% of high quality vocal audio comes from everything other than the mic. Getting the gain right, positioning the mic right, using a compressor, noise gate, using a clean audio interface.

[warm scarab]

mic quality is more about your competence in using it than the mic itself

especially when it comes to the subject of xlr mics

money cant make up for user ability

but user ability can make up for a lot of money

[lean grove]

An xm8500 in the hands of a professional is gonna sound better than u87 in one of those European food cellars

[warm scarab]

yeah you wouldnt believe the echoing in there

[lean grove]

Your sound treatment is just bread

Legit my German family goes through an entire loaf of bread every day.

[warm scarab]

not enough breat

[lean grove]

No idea how they eat so much

[warm scarab]

"entire loaf of bread"

my grandpa goes through 2-3 loafs on his own bro

idk how he is alive its the white bread shit too

cancerous af

[lean grove]

Genetic lottery

Any normal human would have died decades ago

[warm scarab]

he actually has cancer now that i think about it

nvm ig the bread got to him

[lean grove]

Legit every time you see an old fuck and someone asks them what's their secret they say "cigars and whiskey" as if it's a secret nobody else has tried

[warm scarab]

still though cancer aside dudes sturdy af

[lean grove]

If he spent half the time on discord as you do he'd have died in his mid thirties

[warm scarab]

rude

i dont spend that much time on discord

if you were in europe i swear id fuck your bread cellar up

[next anvil]

what’s better the logitech g blue sona or the maono pd400x? those are the 2 i’m now deciding between as i don’t want to get a usb mic like the quadcast s

[warm scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/821923810441822278/994352995057811582/IMG_3770.gif

[hard iron]

So a mic being in my way is user error because I have to get it close to me to get good quality sound? ... what?

[hard iron]

To use it properly, I gotta have a big chunky arm hanging across my desk or a big chunky stand between my arms that prevents me from typing comfortably. Both of which I prefer not to have to deal with

[hard iron]

Those are still chunkydory :(

[heavy cedar]

My current headset is more or less broken. Any tips on a solid wireless headset for my PC?

Current headset: RIG 800
Max Budget: 200$ (~2000kr)
Country: Sweden

Btw heard some good stuff about the Sony Pulse Elite, any thoughts on it?

[warm scarab]

"hanging across my desk"

ok man

[warm scarab]

yes

how much more will you double down on this

if you don't know how to use a mic then you don't know

if you don't know how to set up an arm then you don't know

if you don't know how to use correct pickup patterns for your use case then you don't know

[hard iron]

if you don't accept that having an arm across my desk is an inconvenience I don't wanna have, then you don't know

[warm scarab]

you can hang it over your monitor and boom

[hard iron]

Which means it's in the way

Like, idk how that isn't obvious already

[warm scarab]

you enjoy vaulting over your desk in your free time?

doing just dance on top of the desk

like what kind of situation warrants this being in the way

is your monitor also in the way?

[hard iron]

?

[warm scarab]

what kind of activities rend a metal pole in the way

at what point does this inconvenience you

[hard iron]

Me wanting to enjoy my time, not having a big ol chunky arm within my view, having to sit close to the mic to pick up my sound properly when I can have microphone on my headphones that do the same job without being in the way

Just because you can't understand why I don't want to have an arm hanging around my desk doesn't invalidate my needs

[warm scarab]

1 the arm doesn't need to be in your view
2 the point of having an arm is so you can put the mic where your mouth is instead of vice versa

[hard iron]

It being in front of my mouth IS the reason it's in the way ...

[warm scarab]

you can put it to the side

below

above

as long as the diaphragm is facing your mouth

in fact putting the mic in front of your mouth is a terrible way of using it because of the huge amount of plosives its going to cause

[hard iron]

There are ways to get rid of those sounds

[warm scarab]

there aren't

unless you use a pop filter or a windscreen

[warm scarab]

🗿

also those don't get rid of those sounds

they make them less of a problem

[hard iron]

Which is fine?

[warm scarab]

bro

[hard iron]

I don't want to stream, I don't make podcasts, I just need a simple mic to play with friends

[warm scarab]

you wanted a way in which the mic wasn't infront of your mouth

now you are finding reasons why its ok to put it in front of your mouth

[hard iron]

And an arm hanging across my desk is in the way

Like

[warm scarab]

you literally don't need to see the arm

it doesn't need to be in your vision

[hard iron]

It doesn't have to be in my vision to be in the way too

[warm scarab]

same with the mic

what makes it in the way

[hard iron]

It being there ...

[warm scarab]

how does it hinder your ability to do any activity

[warm scarab]

like every object in your room?

[hard iron]

I always gotta move it away if I'm not strictly just playing games

[warm scarab]

no you don't

[hard iron]

I kinda do

[warm scarab]

even if you do its not any more requiring an effort than putting on a headset

if you want it gone, you push it

if you want it, you pull it

[hard iron]

And that is being in the way ...

Like

[warm scarab]

what does it hinder

to be in the way it means preventing some form of activity

what activity does this hinder

do you do jumping jacks on your chair

some arm thrusts

[hard iron]

I'm using my desk not just for gaming, but to work on other stuff as well

And the apparently completely invalid want to not have a completely cramped desk

[warm scarab]

yeah and I'm asking in what way does this put it in the way

which activity does it prevent you from performing

[hard iron]

Working on PCs, soldering, documents, all that jazz

[haughty girder]

you wouldn't complain about a spoon in between you and your soup

If a mic is in your way, it just means you haven't set it up correctly

or you have the wrong mic for the job

Ever consider a microphone doesn't have to be on an arm?

Headset and Lavalier microphones are mounted around your head and on your shirt respectively

All for what purpose? To get the microphone as close to your mouth as possible

notice how Louis Rossman uses a headset mic?

it is quite literally user error

when he's at his desk he can use a floor stand

you're complaining about a desk microphone picking up noise because a keyboard is closer to the mic than your mouth

and you refuse to move the mic away from your keyboard and closer to your mouth

it's literally not hard

[haughty girder]

for the record this is what I do as well

[supple robin]

@hard iron try a lavalier microphone. wired or wireless.

or get a gaming headset with the microphone built in i think some have that

[hard iron]

Now I gotta put on two things, yet again inconvenient

[hard iron]

That'd be what I mean with in the way

[hard iron]

I've been thinking about that too, clipping it to the headphones cable instead of on the shirt but I'm worried about it picking up about everything I do

[hard iron]

That's kind of what I intend to do. Picking headphones that have a 3.5mm jack on the cans so I can plug something like this in there

Hence why I asked about headphones that have a 3.5mm plug. It's either gonna be that or the PC38X.

But all I get is getting called dumb because I don't want to use a microphone attached to an arm that's gonna be in my way.

[haughty girder]

and how is it in the way...?

Best audio quality and Convenience, pick one.

[hard iron]

By literally having an arm reaching across my desk. And I never wanted perfect quality for my microphone to begin with, I want convenience while not being annoying to my friends by having mouse clicks and keyboard clicks clearly audible while talking.

[haughty girder]

You wanted convenience while placing the microphone perfectly to pick up your peripherals and desk bumps

[hard iron]

Which is why I was asking about headphones that I can plug a boom mic into

[hard iron]

No, I never said that, wtf

[haughty girder]

you bought a dedicated mic and placed it closer to your keyboard than your mouth

[hard iron]

I haven't bought a dedicated mic?

What are you on about?

[hard iron]

Exactly

And where does that say that I bought a dedicated microphone?

[haughty girder]

wait so you're telling me... you're forming opinions without ever trying it...?

[hard iron]

I can try it without having bought one

My brother is having a setup similar to you

[haughty girder]

and what did you try?

[hard iron]

I keep hearing his keyboard sounds, it's big chunky in the way and I keep hearing his boom arm squeaking

He has an Auna Mic 900B if I recall correctly

Which is attached to his desk on the right, moving it where he needs it to be. Which is something I just don't want.

[haughty girder]

soooo he didn't set up his mic properly

[hard iron]

Yeah his voice is clean af, but I can hear his keyboard and him moving it around

[haughty girder]

and because he didn't, you blame the mic instead of him

nice.

oh so he also like a 15 dollar boom arm

very nice

[hard iron]

Then show me a way where it is not being in my way while it also doesn't pick up keyboard/mouse sounds

[haughty girder]

I did, the way Louis Rossman does it.

[hard iron]

So it's in the way

[haughty girder]

in the way of what

[hard iron]

Of me

[hard iron]

There is an entire arm going across his desk, that's in the way.

[hard iron]

Now I gotta take off two things, which is in the way

[haughty girder]

That's why I told you to use a floor stand

they're more durable, eliminates desk and floor noise, and you can set it at an angle that works for you

[hard iron]

Which would be in the way, as I said, I simply don't have the space for that

[haughty girder]

So as I was saying, it's a skill issue

[hard iron]

The only way it would be possible to get to me is by blocking sight of my 2nd monitor

So me not having space is a skill issue?

xD

[haughty girder]

Why would it block 2nd monitor...

it's below eye level

[hard iron]

I would have to set it up like 1m away from me

[haughty girder]

Buddy you're just creating a narrative and grasping for every excuse you can to justify your lack of understanding

[hard iron]

Reaching across my entire desk

[haughty girder]

go buy an AT875R

place it on top of your monitor

done

[hard iron]

No, I'm simply telling you that I don't have the space for a bloody standing mic

[haughty girder]

then suddenly you're gonna complain it's too long

[haughty girder]

then get a mic clamp arm

[hard iron]

Which would be in the way too

[steel escarp]

I dont have the context

but why not get a wireless modmic

[hard iron]

I wanna spend 200 tops for my headphone + mic and you are suggesting a 160€ mic?

[haughty girder]

I don't recommend modmic due to sound quality reasons, but it certainly is convenient

[hard iron]

I used a ModMic uni before, cable got brittle and the locking mechanism started to wear out, resulting in audible wobble sounds even through the mic itself

[steel escarp]

its competition is gaming headset mics... so yeah

[haughty girder]

You wanted good sound quality, you want convenience of not having a mic arm, you either pick one or realize at a tiny budget you're gonna have to compromise

[steel escarp]

Noah what are your requirements if you can sum it up in a few sentences

[hard iron]

I'm looking for heaphones+mic for about 200 bucks and I don't wanna use a desk microphone because it's in the way. I am looking at either the PC38X as a AllIn1 solution or some Fidelio X2HRs/Sennheiser HD500s with a boom mice attached to it. And I wanted to know if there is other stuff out there that I just don't know about

[hard iron]

I'm fine with not sounding like a vocalist in discord. My only microphone sound requirement is that they don't hear me hammering away at my keyboard.

[steel escarp]

ah yeah you won't get anything pretty for that money

[haughty girder]

Fidelio are mediocre, PC38x works but the mic is pretty sensitive to everything around it so you're gonna get keyboard noises if you have a loud keyboard

speaking of which... why not just use software noise supression like Nvidia Broadcast?

[steel escarp]

discord's noise supression is pretty good if you configure it correctly

[hard iron]

That would be fine by me. I am currently using the HyperX Cloud 2, but since they went to HP, they kinda suck and it already starts to fall apart.

[haughty girder]

have a noise gate for background noise then have some sort of algorithmic noise suppression like RTX voice

[hard iron]

AMD GPU on Linux. If there is something out there for that, I'd appreciate it.

[haughty girder]

Ah yes Linux AMD crap

[hard iron]

Clicky switches

[haughty girder]

(this is what happens when you try to be different)

[hard iron]

I'm not trying to be different, I get nothing out of it

But I do like the operating system(s)

[steel escarp]

amd is literally the only graphics card that works well with linux

[hard iron]

AMD is affordable, fast and has enough VRAM. It's just a question about price. And Linux cause it just works, for better or for worse

[steel escarp]

since nvidia doesn't make linux drivers and has everything closed source

[hard iron]

Nvidia is actually open-sourcing kernel modules for the next release :>

[haughty girder]

there are drivers for Nvidia, plus nobody forces you to daily Linux

[steel escarp]

the drivers that exist for nvidia are not good

[haughty girder]

What is forcing you to use Linux?

The entire stigma about Nvidia being better if you do anything other than raster gaming comes down to having more features and tech built in

Though, doesn't AMD have an equivalent already?

[hard iron]

Nvidia builds the better cards, without question. But AMD is pricing what little they can make in a way where it's appealing for me.

[haughty girder]

So you just do Raster and nothing else

[steel escarp]

Beyerdynamic MMX 200

for 200

[haughty girder]

cause they aren't the most efficient, they aren't the fastest, they just have plenty of vram and a decent core

[hard iron]

It's just all the little things in W11 that makes me switch.

[haughty girder]

You don't interact with any of the little things in Windows 11

[elder thistle]

what is purpose / what will be played on these headphones

[haughty girder]

iirc MMX200 was based on the TYGR300 R which is based on the DT990

[steel escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRidQsG8nyg

[haughty girder]

sucks ass

[steel escarp]

the microphone seems good too

[hard iron]

I use the search bar quite frequently, make sound settings, use my network and all that jazz

[steel escarp]

look at graph

[haughty girder]

yea it looks like my ass

[steel escarp]

for gaming it seems good

[hard iron]

Playing games with friends and listening to my spotify playlist

[steel escarp]

you can use EQ if you want to turn the bass down

[haughty girder]

in what world does a 15db midbass hump sound like a good idea?

[elder thistle]

well... like what games and what music genres?

[haughty girder]

EQ doesn't fix Beyer sibilance

[steel escarp]

10db boost

[elder thistle]

hearing the direction of footsteps is different in cs2 than it is in valorant

hearing the details of a cymbal in jazz is different from metal

[steel escarp]

ngl if you could stuff wool into the rear of the driver the bass would go down and so would the upper treble

I think it'd be pretty good then

[hard iron]

basically anything and mostly hiphop. I'm also watching youtube videos but I also intend to get some speakers so I can put off the headphones for a bit

[haughty girder]

Like yay it has a proper bass tuck but damn that's the definition of V shaped

[elder thistle]

a given headphone will master one side of those and bomb the other

usually

[haughty girder]

Then you get overdampened sound

that's what they did for the DT900 pro x

[steel escarp]

rear dampening, not front dampening

nothing to obstruct the driver

[elder thistle]

hm

[haughty girder]

Isn't it supposed to be open back?

[elder thistle]

honestly the mmx200 may not be a bad option in theory

I haven't heard them before but

low impedance beyers tend to not be as hyperdetailed and smooth over some things

[haughty girder]

Also

[steel escarp]

200 euros is a compromise budget

[haughty girder]

Something about that fr screams DT880 Black Edition t

[elder thistle]

which doesn't impact calmer music as much

[haughty girder]

and that had a bunch of dampening in the back already and was terribly tuned

[steel escarp]

asking for good amazing sound and a microphone is just too much at that price

[elder thistle]

having the boosted bass like that is also generally desirable for hip hop

it's possible that the deepest part of male vocals could get boosted around 100hz accidentally

[haughty girder]

PC38x

[elder thistle]

but I doubt it'd be a big deal

[haughty girder]

even PC37x actually

I'd take slightly undetailed over sibilance

[hard iron]

I don't mind "warmer" sound, like I won't be analyzing music, I just wanna have "fun" if you catch my drift

[steel escarp]

I honestly like the mic of the mmx 200 better

[hard iron]

But I don't like too much bass

[elder thistle]

the pc38x is probably more analytical and towards competitive games, in the grand scheme of things

[haughty girder]

the look or the quality

[hard iron]

Mic-wise, if it doesn't pick up keyboard noise, I'm fine with it, doesn't have to sound like a SM7B

[elder thistle]

it does have some bass, just not a lot unless you eq

(though generally I'd say you should try eq)

[haughty girder]

you have clickies it's gonna get picked up

[steel escarp]

sound quality, PC38x mic sounds bright

[haughty girder]

Which works in favour of most guy voices

you generally want darker mics for higher pitch voices, and vice versa

[elder thistle]

bright mics have their place in game communication

easier to hear over other stuff

[hard iron]

RN I'm using HyperX Cloud 2's, so anything is an improvement tbh

[haughty girder]

My favourite mic is the Senn E865

slightly U shaped response

but it's super nice on my voice

[steel escarp]

PC38X frequency response looks pretty good tho

[haughty girder]

which sits around an alto-baritone

[haughty girder]

it's pretty much a less detailed HD600

Very good for music, actually.

[steel escarp]

hd600 outresolves any focal except the utopia

[hard iron]

Sounds good

[steel escarp]

the focal stellia was so bad 💀

[hard iron]

HD600s are supposed to be awesome, so if it gets near that, that would be amazing

[steel escarp]

HD600 is too veiled

the PC38X seem a bit better

[elder thistle]

its

the hd600 is it's separate thing in the $300 area yes

and the pc38x or mmx200 is in the $150ish area

there are many reasons for this

[steel escarp]

any hd6-- series was just too narrow in stage for my liking

[elder thistle]

yes perhaps

I just mean to say it's a different animal really

[hard iron]

Are any of the HD500s good? Cause there is this boom mic that would also fit in there

[steel escarp]

hd650 has good noteweight but it sounds like everything is coming from in front of you

[haughty girder]

Dead pads + I tend to disagree

HD650 can feel that way in some tracks

HD600 is perfectly fine

also as for staging

[elder thistle]

regardless, needs some eq for hip hop probably

[steel escarp]

hd650 next to dt880 feels like it doesn't stage from behind

[haughty girder]

yes it's narrow for a headphone but that's partially if the Senns have high clamp

and the other thing is

I gave up trying to chase staging in headphones

[elder thistle]

if someone wants +10db from neutral at 30hz, hd600 may pose a problem at above moderate listening levels

[hard iron]

I tried DT880s before from a friend, it sounded good to me :)

[elder thistle]

let alone amp requirements

[haughty girder]

HD600 being bad stagin is firmly in "below average"

[steel escarp]

DT880 sounds good for 5 minutes

then your ears die

[haughty girder]

but then you try out the HD800 as the stage king and... it's disappointing honestly

[steel escarp]

HD800s stage is massive

[haughty girder]

If you want staging, get speakers.

[haughty girder]

It's massive for a headphone

[hard iron]

I'm getting speakers :)

[haughty girder]

I was honestly pretty disappointed

[elder thistle]

behringer truth 3.5 massive stage over edifiers fite me

[haughty girder]

stages like speakers they said

sounds like you're in a concert they said

[steel escarp]

I've had some amplifiers completely mess up its sound stage

[hard iron]

I was looking at some cheap Creative Pebbles, mainly used to watch YouTube videos and a game here and there but not really much

[haughty girder]

Pebbles are solid

[steel escarp]

it was good on a Feliks Audio Envy

but that amp costs 7k

[hard iron]

And they are very small, which me likey

[steel escarp]

I tried, I found them too sharp

[elder thistle]

just don't expect them to be comparable to the headphones

[steel escarp]

also if you dont get the ones with the subwoofer you have no bass

[elder thistle]

they're tiny budget speakers with no tweeter

[hard iron]

I mean, for 36€ it's neat

[elder thistle]

yes

no wait I paid $10

[steel escarp]

if you do room correction then its good

[haughty girder]

Pebbles plus and 3.0 are fine

room correction with pebbles 💀

[steel escarp]

bro trust me

[hard iron]

https://www.amazon.de/USB-betriebener-Desktop-Lautsprecher-abwärtsgerichtetem-Far-Field-Treibern-Gesamtleistung/dp/B07NYS5TTT/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=2BHRHMQWNAX0G&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1KpBtBFwROHxsqehwNhETs7QyBp6fzZ0O-dXECc9S7SUCTZSydsilfJadgY-SQPfUYf6c5TmC0Gg4WTxd3oNSSe5a5X9cWpxQ1e6XD0E3FuvMLcJw4xFU2qlk60s28FrlDbNErpH8Qet8jhBpvLv5NCMEGNO4E7UFm3XLVsIwqAnnn9vNhMDP6rVF9U5yeWmUMIzQfFjrZ-xExxEeCQg_QrkHNqCz4_ttwu9ZXV4VzODdQLx2nu4RkThNh0hT4HMv9PiQ41hmRgt3EimXhwqJ5iHtnpcS_vsdsiMzMteE7s.U8UyViM219dDvQomozBEq_Sp8UQi-W_AKonBEcRZ03s&dib_tag=se&keywords=creative+pebble&qid=1722363572&s=ce-de&sprefix=creative+pebble%2Celectronics%2C101&sr=1-3

Mega link inc, but I was gonna get these

[steel escarp]

same link without tracking url: https://www.amazon.de/USB-betriebener-Desktop-Lautsprecher-abwärtsgerichtetem-Far-Field-Treibern-Gesamtleistung/dp/B07NYS5TTT

[steel escarp]

yeah good

without the subwoofer you get no sound below 100Hz

so no bass at all

[hard iron]

Even for just YouTube videos, having a sub is just a massive +

[haughty girder]

I mean... it's still enjoyable

[haughty girder]

look at the ksc75 fanboys out there

[elder thistle]

disclaimer that appears to be the v1, but it should be close to the v2 and v3

[haughty girder]

Pebbles Plus?

They sound better than V2 because of the sub

and V3 have a smoother midrange but still lacks bass

also do note even with the sub you're not reaching down to 20hz

iirc the sub ranges from 40-150?

[hard iron]

https://www.amazon.de/Trust-Almo-2-0-Lautsprecher-Schwarz/dp/B07G4SVXTC I had these before like 12 years ago, they sucked xD

[steel escarp]

most subs dont go down to 20Hz

unless you pay like 500 bucks

[haughty girder]

yea

[hard iron]

They were noisy even without playing anything, it was horrible

[elder thistle]

but

[steel escarp]

I got the Ferrum OOR + Hypsos

tbh I don't like how they sound, they make my headphones sound sharp af

[hard iron]

I don't think I can afford Hifiman stuff other than the HE400 :P

[elder thistle]

compare to mr4 for example, or just $100ish speakers in general

so the question is

[haughty girder]

don't bother

[elder thistle]

do you want speakers that work, or speakers that can substitute your headphones approximately as equals

[haughty girder]

Hifiman is throwaway money headphones

[steel escarp]

I have never had a hifiman give out on me

[haughty girder]

me neither actually

but I never really liked their headphones

[hard iron]

Speakers that don't completely suck, but nothing major. Main use case is gonna be YouTube videos and maaaaaaybe one or two sessions of Cities Skylines

[elder thistle]

pebbles should be fine then yeah

[hard iron]

I just wanna be able to lay off the heaphones for a bit

[steel escarp]

not really anything better than he1000v2 stealth that is worth getting

Holo Audio Cyan 2 DAC incomming this weekend

[hard iron]

So rn I have these bookmarked:

• PC38X 169€ (nice)
• Fidelio X2HR (IF I can find the on a deal) 150€ (yeah rite)
• MMX200 199€
• MMX150 99€
• MMX100 79€
• HD 599 143€
• HD 560S 156€

Excluding the PC38X, all of which will need that 16€ boom mic

Wait, except for the MMX ones too

[steel escarp]

I'd not get the MMX 100 and 150

[haughty girder]

For a second I was like why is there a bible on my screen

[hard iron]

Why that? Do they suck so bad?

[haughty girder]

I just wouldn't recc Beyer other than DT880

[steel escarp]

MMX100 yes, MMX150 is going to be too fatuiging to listen to for longer gaming sessions

[hard iron]

Rly? How?

[steel escarp]

the inside certainly is holy

[steel escarp]

the treble is too bright

[steel escarp]

man, why are there always crooked capacitors on any nice circuitboard you see 😭

[hard iron]

That would suck, if I play, it's gonna be a long session

[young kelp]

Hey guys what audio cable should I get :(

[elder thistle]

why is the label the same but there's 3 different brands

is this ai

suspicious reflections too

[hard iron]

Because it's selfmade

[warm scarab]

just put it to the side of the desk man

like

you are bsing so much rn

you are claiming stuff about a product you have never used

or saw in first person

[supple robin]

i think its the way the conversation went, it sounded like you wanted something impossible. you can always take it out the way. none of this matters at the end of the day, as long as you find something that works for you that's great.

[warm scarab]

no one is calling you dumb for not using a mic with a boomarm

everyone is calling you dumb for slandering using a mic with a boom arm for reasons that don't exist

holy shit

i cant believe how much in the way my mic is

cant live like this

[hard iron]

Shit like this is why I didn't wanna ask here at first :)

You ask a question and instead of answers, you get slandered for not using stuff the way other people use it

[warm scarab]

t. "I can't believe people get upset when I claim negatives to a product that doesn't exist"

[hard iron]

To you they don't exist

This is exactly what I mean

[warm scarab]

and I asked you in what way they hinder your abilities

you said pc building

bro push the thing back

boom, gone

[hard iron]

Yeah I've been looking at the PC38X for a bit and was trying to find other stuff just to weigh my options

[lean grove]

Ancient meme

Unearthed from the depths of reddit every few years to get a few hundred karma

[warm scarab]

@lean grove REDDIT USER

@unique wind NILS IS REDDIT

[hard iron]

It's just asinine when you ask about something and people keep talking about that one thing you don't want all the time instead of just accepting the given preferences

[warm scarab]

literally no one told you to buy an xlr over lav

literally everyone told you that its an unrealistic issue for a boom arm that's barely in your peripheral vision to be "in the way"

you engineer your own issues through commeting on subjects you have no experience with

[hard iron]

And on it goes :)

[warm scarab]

and why is that noah

why does everyone involved in the chat at some point tell you that you are wrong

is it difficult to admit that you are wrong?

would you like to reverse engineer this behavior

[hard iron]

Yes, I'm so wrong for not wanting to have an arm reach across my entire desk :)

Limiting space and allat

[warm scarab]

but it doesn't

[warm scarab]

see this video

[hard iron]

Impairing vision, just stuff like that

[warm scarab]

you don't even see the microphone until I rotate the camera 50 degrees right

[hard iron]

You might wanna pull harder, that gate isn't closed all the way

[warm scarab]

this isn't about you buying a boom arm noah

this is something much bigger

[hard iron]

Lmao you gotta be trolling at this point

[warm scarab]

no noah

how is the mic arm in the way in the quoted video

tell me

you dont see the thing until i focus on it

why are you going to die on this hill

[supple robin]

lp boom arm doesnt do that for me

a big boom arm would

[lean grove]

We taught him incorrectly as a joke.

[supple robin]

so like the non lp boomarm ive got

[warm scarab]

if a boom arm obscures your vision pivot it behind

[lean grove]

You can pretty much disagree with anything Klaus says and you have a 90% chance of being right

[supple robin]

i aint used a full one in ages

[warm scarab]

this but vice versa

reminder nils never directly agreed with carmon

[lean grove]

No actually

[warm scarab]

(he was the most right person in the discord)

[hard iron]

Why are you? Cause you use stuff differently than I? Cause you got a different setup at home than I? Cause you just cannot accept that some people just don't want to deal with something? People like you are the reason some get scared off about getting into a topic. Instead of helping, you ridicule them. Instead of trying to solve issues, you keep going on about. And at this point I would like to remind you about the #rules channel, which you obviously have read.

This thing is in my way, I don't have much space, the hand movement space I have is what I need to get by, and even without all that, I can't stand having to push that thing around all the time just to get some space.

Seriously, get a grip in life.

[warm scarab]

noah im not forcing you to argue with me you are doing that over your own volition

[lean grove]

Block and move on, Noah it's not worth your time

[warm scarab]

literally this

but dont do that we have much to discuss

[hard iron]

Thing is, he's not the only person that was arguing about that bloody arm, so I wanted to make that clear.

[warm scarab]

that's a great point noah

why do you think this is the case

[hard iron]

And if blocking wouldn't actually suck, I would have blocked more people on tc1 and tc2

[warm scarab]

dear god.....

not the tc1 and tc2 people

[hard iron]

Problem is I can only mount it on that one spot that I want to keep free to place stuff I need to grab if I'm doing something. That's why I crossed out arms from the start 😅 It's some bs Ikea desk that is closed off to the sides.

Not to mention it's pretty dummy thicc, a lot of the arms I was looking at back when I was first playing with the idea of just getting an arm just didn't fit it at all.

[warm scarab]

(you can mount it on a vertical surface)

[hard iron]

Jesus Christ, just cannot stop. You managed to be the 2nd person on my block list

[warm scarab]

I keep winning

[hard iron]

The fact that you see this as a competition is VERY telling

[warm scarab]

do you know what else is telling

everyone not you in the chat disagreeing with you

[steel escarp]

What is that thing on your hand, did you break it or something

[warm scarab]

carpal tunnel

it fucking sucks i cant do bouldering anymore

[steel escarp]

Damn that sucks

[viscid tangle]

I am getting the hifiman arya stealth and I was wondering what amp/dac should I choose, I don't have such a big budget but I am willing to go slightly over. My budget for the amp and dac is $400 USD, I can buy used products if it's justifiable.

some amp/dac options I was originally considering.

[lean grove]

Schiit has good beginner stuff. I would personally recommend getting the Asgard and a modi instead of the magni and modious

The DAC is something that you can spend a little bit less on and get pretty much the same performance.

But the Asgard sounds better than the magni imo. It's a bit smoother, has a nicer volume knob and has a bit more power,

[viscid tangle]

Alright then,
https://www.schiit.com/products/asgard
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BL8K3HWL/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2MQBWZ25GS6JU&psc=1

Audio sure does get expensive $1000 is still mid range.

but the benefit of headphones like this is you'll never need to upgrade or buy a new pair.

[lean grove]

In theory

[sleek lily]

You could probably get a used modi multibit (it's surprisingly good for the price). For the amp, I'm honestly not sure

[sleek lily]

Hd800 is really wide but I wouldn't call it the stage king. I do however love the comfort and look and presentation of them

[sleek lily]

They are absolutely amazing for the right tracks but I wouldn't recommend them as your only headphone. They are really kinda just meh for most tracks. They excel at solo vocalist songs to an amazing degree for their price though

[sleek lily]

Hd560s is pretty good but RN I feel hifiman is ruling that lower end market with the he560v4

[elder thistle]

behold the new hd560s in all it's hf screwery

[hard iron]

But the value to me is better cause I can just plug a boom mic into the 560S :>

[elder thistle]

why not pc38x then

[sleek lily]

just get a normal mic

[elder thistle]

more fixed treble and treble detail, less midrange dynamics and detail

[sleek lily]

itll be better and youll get a better headphone

its a win win

[elder thistle]

has mic, cheaper

I'm not convinced the hd560s is better(tm) than the pc38x

[warm scarab]

I wouldn't get the modius

or the magni

not for your budget at least

you should instead spend more on an amplifier and less on a dac, the opposite of your budget allocation

like nils said, asgard is a lot better of an option

I would also advise something like the zen can, both are solid options

[floral flax]

Yo I'm looking for wireless headset recommendations. I daily drive Astro A50 (4th gen) and Airpods Pro (1st gen) right now, but I'm getting a laptop and want something to pair to it while travelling. Use cases mainly include music and discord/gaming (so it needs a mic). Looking to spend around $200 but could be persuaded to drop a little more. Should have bluetooth, but ideally I'd be able to connect usb-c to it and use wired as well (if possible). Thanks!

[reef wagon]

Can't beat Sony WH-1000XM5... but, the price...

[lean grove]

You can beat the Sony wh-1000xm5

[haughty girder]

WHXM5 have great ANC and that's about all it has going for it

[lavish flare]

Do I really need a DAC if I find the motherboard 3.5mm line out is good enough? Can I not just run straight from that with a 3.5 to RCA cable?

[lean grove]

If you find it good enough more power to you. Save your money.

[sleek lily]

You can do that, it just won't be as good

But if you enjoy it that's what matters

[jolly vine]

Hello! I have the Truth ear zero x crinicle zeros (blue) amd really like them but the bore size is a little too big to be really comfortable even with the smallest supplied ear tips (i have small ears). I understand the bore size is the same on the red version.

Is there a IEM, the sounds close to if not practically exactly like the (blue or red) TE Zero crinicle but with a smaller bore size?

[gentle quiver]

from what ive seen its best to use 180hz on my subwoofer when playing games and 30hz when watching movies or playing music is this the same for others?

[lean grove]

🤨who told you that?

[gentle quiver]

read the first four things i said

just testing stuff out on my own

[lean grove]

You set the subwoofer to where it matches your speakers best.

If your speakers only extend down to 200hz, then it makes sense to set your subwoofer to 200hz.

But if your speakers can confidently go down to, say, 60hz, then setting it to 200hz is either going to add way too much bass or if you have a proper high pass filter on your speakers it's just gonna take a lot away from them

Also at above 80hz, your subwoofer starts to have some directionality to it. So if you have one sub playing stuff above 80hz, it can ruin your imaging

So I really wouldn't recommend using a sub for gaming at 180hz unless you have two and they're placed pretty close to your speakers.

And for the movie thing, if your speakers can only go down to 100hz, and you set your subwoofer to 30hz, there's gonna be a massive region between 30 and 100hz that is just gonna be an empty space.

[gentle quiver]

70hz then ig thanks

[ocean pulsar]

buy new eartips, then it wont matter what iems you buy they will fit properly

[gentle quiver]

any idea how to take off the front mesh on the t5?

[jolly vine]

Any suggestions?

[ocean pulsar]

I have divinus velvets on my truthears atm, but i find they are a little high end aggressive, so i ordered some azla max asmrs

[reef wagon]

For reference when I tune a PA, the crossover is around 90Hz. THX standard is 80 though.

[valid oar]

Yo quick question, I have a 10 yo Pioneer A/V Receiver, would these speakers work on a new Sony A/V Receiver? They are the standard negative and positive type they connect to RCA Connectors on the back of the AV Receiver but can be changed to straight wires

[lean grove]

Yes.

[valid oar]

Oh ok, thanks

[warm scarab]

i mean compared to what

dacs are top tier diminishing returns

rather put the money into headphones or an amp

[sleek lily]

Compared to a dedicated dac

[warm scarab]

yeah which

99% of the 100$ dac market is practically indistinguishable from an apple dongle

you can notice some things in the 200$ range and upwards but do you seriously believe its equivalent to the amount of performance gain you could get from buying a better amplifier or headphones instead

[sleek lily]

I very muchb disagree from my experience but to each their own

I would say a modi would even be a massive upgrade from apple dongle

so would a lot of cheap portable dongles

and modi multibit would be a massive night and day upgrade

[lean grove]

It depends on the listener. I've done some tests with my non-audiophile friends and they have a hard time telling the difference between onboard and my fancier DACs

[unique wind]

you can remove the $100 and this statement is still true

[warm scarab]

modi is like

motherboard

its 1 mediocre af chip

barely an pcm filters

and thats about it

its competition is realtek soundcards not actual dacs

its probably the worst 100$ I have paid for an audio product

[reef wagon]

This is true all the way up to peoples perception of cheaper to very expensive Prosumer speakers. Majority of people hear the same between the two.

[haughty girder]

It doesn't actually help sometimes

the truthear zero nozzle is very wide for an iem

the shell as well, actually

the entire iem is huge for a 2dd

[ocean pulsar]

Sure, but it's still using normal outsize sizes for tips, if you need smaller, a different iem isn't gonna help

[hot ginkgo]

New Moog Muse 8 voice poly for 3.5K USD

https://youtu.be/7ln3WeCMtUg

https://youtu.be/PSc9kR29eNs

https://youtu.be/TYFQ0VVpqFM

https://youtu.be/gcvqUOypTuk

[lean grove]

Why buy a 3.5k instrument when I can buy 3.5k headphones and have people do the hard work for me

[unique wind]

but 6xx better

[lean grove]

I'll buy a hd600 with a $3200 cable

[steel escarp]

@unique wind are you messing with me

The messing around involves a ferrum oor

If you don't know then it's not you

[elder thistle]

not a whole lot is going on here except the digital fx module and maybe the polyphony

I mean it's moog... a lot of the value is in the exact sound of the saws and filters and distortions

they should do a comparison to hydrasynth

[unique wind]

[unique wind]

nah

[steel escarp]

Hmmm

[rustic wadi]

Looking for a pair of headphones around 150 and came to the senheiser hd560s

Should I just go for it or are there any better options

[livid ruin]

hd 6xx’s prob

i’d avoid the new hd560s’s tbh

try to get the older version with 3m cable or a used pair

sennheiser kinda ruined ‘em

[ocean pulsar]

Smallest velvet vs smallest stock tip from Truthear, they are pretty similar in size, but the velvet is smaller

[elder thistle]

lots of questions are left existing

because of things such as,

listening to mostly hip hop and rap is a quick way to disqualify most or all open back headphones in this kind of budget, if you want to listen at certain volumes and you like boosted bass

wanting something for competitive games and hearing directions of footsteps is somewhat specific to the exact game name/title and sound engine, and then that accuracy is specific to different existing headphones then warped by your earshape/hrtf

listening to busy genres of music means more sounds overlap at once, more resolving / higher instrument separation headphones are generally more desirable. opposite can be true for calmer music

wide soundstage vs narrow and stronger imaging

need for isolation

amping capabilities or how that relates to eq

if you'd eq or if the headphones warrant eq on first listen

aspects of comfort, price, availability in whatever country, headphone revisions, leakage into chosen mic, longevity

tldr loaded question and looking for "best headphone" is a good way to screw yourself out of 3x the headphone you could've otherwise had

[tired crown]

What are some $70 or less speakers

I have iems for games and that but for just casual video watching I want better speakers rn I have really bad Logitech z313

If there’s a better option I can max go to $100

[elder thistle]

pitbull headliner hd3 red used to be $60 but idk what happened to them

way too much treble and midbass, but they were still proper speakers with high detail

there are a couple other random under-$100 speakers on u.s amazon right now like singing wood bt25

no idea what it does

or ...lonpoo 100w(tm) bookshelf speakers

my favorite for $100 so far is the behringer truth 3.5, not a brightfi speaker like everything else and has serious soundstage and imaging. sounds really full too

edifier mr4 is basically $100 right now, more neutral option free of any weird peaks or dips (except treble uptilt) with more sub bass and max volume

just not comparable with soundstage

[hard iron]

Like I said, no place to put it, in the way, inconvenient and even more expensive. I'm thinking about the PC38X, HD560S, HD599 and Fidelio X2HR. Still have to decide on which one to get. Probably gonna get it in a month or two, so I will have plenty time to read reviews. MMX200 was also suggested to be, but I am kinda weary of getting wireless stuff.

I used the Sennheiser Game Zero's before but I didn't like them at all, they sounded like cans, empty. Do you know whether any of my listed headphones sound similar to them? Cause then I know what to NOT look for.

[sleek lily]

He560v4 is a huge step up for $169

[hard iron]

Also I think that I like more brighter headphones, so my guess is that the HD560S would be best for that?

[sleek lily]

Why?

[sleek lily]

I'd say it's pretty neutral

[hard iron]

If I want a brighter headphone, I gotta look for higher highs amirite? Or do I want them to be more on that 90dB line?

[livid ruin]

they changed the pads messing up the overall neutrality, padding for cheaper and the cable is also quite short at 1.8m

well, 1.8m is not *that * short but 3m was quite nice

[hard iron]

I'd be getting a different cable anyway, as I'm gonna plug a boom mic into there

[livid ruin]

you can just swap the cable anyway

[hard iron]

3m would be stellar, I move around a lot so that length is VERY welcome

But I got an extension for that so no problems there

[livid ruin]

tho that they changed the pads for worse ones was a big L for sennheiser

well, a move to make them cheaper and nerf them aswell so they don’t affect sales of their tier higher headphones

that much*

[hard iron]

I fully expect to swap out pads on any headphones I get since these cloth pads have a tendency to sqeak when rubbing against my glasses

[livid ruin]

welp

[hard iron]

Strangely enough, it's fine on these HyperX Cloud 2 headphones, but on basically every other headphones, it was squeaking :(

[livid ruin]

then only issue would be the less comfortable head padding on the newer hd560s but it you don’t mind that aswella you’ll replace the pads and cable anway it would be fine

also, (i’m not sure about this) but iirc they also use worse quality plastic on the newer version

[hard iron]

As long as it doesn't break on me, I don't give a crap :D

[livid ruin]

nah, it’s just odd what sennheiser did to the hd560s instead of making a new headphone

[hard iron]

HP did the same on these, there are now visible spots on where I touch them to take them off

[livid ruin]

but it is clear they did it because it was eating profit margins on their other headphones

[elder thistle]

the change to the new hd560s was more than the pads. actually it appears to be mostly in the diaphragm or damping

I took a series of measurements between my old hd560s with 1 good original earpad vs the new hd560s with it's new earpads, including swapping pads on both

[livid ruin]

nice

[elder thistle]

there is instability in the upper treble in the new hd560s regardless of the earpads

[livid ruin]

can I see the fr pls

if you have any

[elder thistle]

let me see if I can find the main screenshots I took

[sleek lily]

I doubt they changed the diaphragm

[elder thistle]

711 clone rig but it's been damn reliable with the target curve

[sleek lily]

They've been reusing that diaphragm on like 90% of their headphones

Damping I can believe though. Sennheiser seems to have some odd tendency to creep their headphones to skullheiser with each revision

[livid ruin]

I’ve seen people complaining about the new hd560s not sounding like the og 560s

but in a bad way

[sleek lily]

Likely just pads or damping maybe

[livid ruin]

unsure if that includes pad change

[sleek lily]

That driver is really susceptible to change from pads though

[livid ruin]

well, if they sound different it still doesn’t change the fact they downgraded them

by any way

they should’ve atleast called them differently

[elder thistle]

both the new hd560s with new pads (red) vs old hd560s with old pads (blue), left 10 sample averages

[sleek lily]

I mean every company does silent revisions

[elder thistle]

green's neutral target curve

[sleek lily]

Each 6x0 revision made them worse for more bass

[sleek lily]

That kinda looks like measurement variance tbh

Or even model variance

Or even placement variance

[elder thistle]

no. the upper treble can't vary that irradically from an average like this or unit variance

the discrepancy past 10k is severe

[livid ruin]

hmmm not that bad actually

[elder thistle]

and it has notable effects past it's frequency response, such as lower instrument separation and transient response

it's now about even with the dt990 250 ohm

at least with the techs I personally hear

I've tried eqing and it did not change this

[sleek lily]

560s has always been about 990 tier for imaging tbh but without the insane sibilance and ear death

[elder thistle]

not imaging

like resolution

instrument separation minus stage aspects

overlapping sounds creating loss in detail

I had 2 days where I wore the thing and just gawked at how shittified the detail level was on the kind of music I listened to

I wanted to take it off

[sleek lily]

Although tbh not too relevant

560v4 is just all round better and about the same price

Other than in tonality neutrality I guess

[elder thistle]

well I'm with you on the hd560s imaging being similar to dt990 while less harsh

for the record

uh as for other data,

[sleek lily]

Don't get me wrong

560s and 990 aren't similar besides imaging tier imo

Not saying they're the same beyond that aspect

[elder thistle]

here's the official replacement/hd559 earpads on both variants of hd560s to target the driver and damping differences

[livid ruin]

I don’t even know what headphone to get ;-;

at this point

[sleek lily]

Sennheiser going back to its skullheiser roots

They're going back to 559 days

[elder thistle]

I think red's actually the new one