audio-tech

[haughty girder]

they'd plug their iems into it

like this

[dawn panther]

There's nothing plugged though

[haughty girder]

yea cause the iems are with the guitarist

XLR is the input from the mixing board

iems will be around the guitarist's ears and likely run through their shirt to stay out of the way

[dawn panther]

But don't the iems plug into that box?

[haughty girder]

yep

it's a 3.5mm jack

it literally takes half a second

put the guitar strap on and plug in the iems

[dawn panther]

That image was mid set

[haughty girder]

Do you recall if they had iems in?

it could also be a redunant solution

I'm fairly certain it's an iem amp

but it could be a backup in case their wireless ones died

I've used stuff like this

they use a pair of AA batteries

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab do you know how I can do volume matching with a multimeter

on 2 amplifiers

[warm scarab]

just use a phone dp meter app

or an actual db meter

put your db meter and headphones on the desk

play a tone generator

[steel escarp]

I used a multimeter before to compare the output voltage

[dawn panther]

You wouldn't be able to see they wear goods and face coverings

[reef wagon]

Those are most certainly Wireless In-Ear Monitors. Source: I work in this industry.

[dawn panther]

Nice. If you're curious the show was Batushka at Hellfest 2024

[steel escarp]

welp I fucked up, I like the violectric v222 more than the ferrum oor

[steel escarp]

the violectric stages like 20% bigger

somehow all background information just vanishes with the oor, like the decay happens instantly of any instruments

its the difference between an actual piano and an electric piano

[lean grove]

Maybe they didn't glue down the capacitors well enough and now they're resonating

[steel escarp]

nice sarcasm

[steel escarp]

I got a second opinion from someone who doesn't know jack shit about audio and she made the same observations as me, it was dark so she did not see the amps so the idea of the shape of the amplifier changing the expectations doesn't apply

[lean grove]

How is an amplifier dark if it measures flat

[steel escarp]

no dark as in the lights were off

[lean grove]

Oh. Yeah idk then. I've heard a lot of people complain about the ferrum stack

I didn't notice anything weird about it on the show floor but that was with unfamiliar headphones in a noisy room

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[muted imp]

So basically this is an analysis of music from a game composer Tim Follin that were done for systems like the ZX Spectrum with limited audio capabilities, and it's actually really impressive when you hear the final product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhwV4-jEz2U

Like damn, that actually hurts even my ears and yet, through the irritation it causes my hearing, the tunes are actually pretty good.

[vapid plover]

Any recommendations for Decent sounding surround system for around 600usd. I’m tired of reading reviews and such online and need recommendations from peeople who actually own the system

[hushed spear]

Any reecommendations for an amp that supports 250 ohm?

I am looking forward to buy dt 990 pro

[elder thistle]

all amps and headphone jacks support it, it's just a matter of how loud it'll get

here's an approximation of how loud they get on a cheap usb-A to 3.5mm dongle

if you need more than that, then adding a douk audio U3 is an excellent solution for not a lot of money

[hushed spear]

I think I would need to buy the DT 990 PRO first before I get to test this. But thanks for the headsup

[hushed spear]

but even using my tygr 300r, it's still not enough

But that's because I am deaf 😄

[elder thistle]

o

er... is there a reason you're going for this dt990 next?

[hushed spear]

my tygrs were entry level audiophile headphones. I want to go to the next level and I am currently sitting on Sennheiser HD600 and DT 990, 770, 780.

[elder thistle]

I'd imagine the 250 ohm dt990 would be a nice upgrade in detail/resolution, but otherwise they're going to be pretty similar headphones to the tygr

and there are much more resolving headphones for less money

[hushed spear]

I see

[elder thistle]

if you're upgrading from the tygr, the hd600 and similar headphones are going to be a different experience

[hushed spear]

I mean I love the HD600s.

I really, really want them

[elder thistle]

you've used them?

[hushed spear]

No but judging by dankpods review and audio test

they just sound amazing

ofc I know that they won't sond just like in the video

because of bit rate and me listening through my own headphones

still, they sound amazing imo

Can the douk audio U3 work for the HD600? @elder thistle

[elder thistle]

yes, definitely

I did quite a bit of null testing and blind testing between it and my magni 3 heresy amp, couldn't hear anything different

there's also the U10 which is the tube amp version, but I have no idea how it sounds

[sleek lily]

Listening to a 600 recorded by minidsp ears through your headphones will just tell you it's tonality minus tonality of minidsp ears and plus tonality of your headphones

Hd600 imo make great solo vocalist listening headphones but they really struggle with most other tracks. I'd recommend them as a part of most collections but I wouldn't recommend them unless you already have a few well rounded options in your collection

I'd say bass is the weak point of the 600 series besides the 535. They all besides the one I mentioned tend to show a veil and lose detail when tracks get bassy. They can be incredibly revealing if you are listening to slower songs without bass

If you're looking at the new metal mesh 6x0 though I'd say just get an open box he560v4 instead on hifimans site

It ironically handles timbre better than the metal mesh 6x0 imo. It falls just behind the black silk versions in timbre though

Lands somewhere between those 2 basically

Very surprisingly good timbre for a cheap planar

It's also got a pretty cool color scheme. It's like a metallic grey purple

[hushed spear]

good to know but I am going for the hd600

[sleek lily]

Just don't expect it to meet reddit hype

Reddit tends to pretend like it's the best well rounded and for everyone headphone ever for some reason

In reality it's more like hd800 where it does a couple things great but falls behind outside of that which makes it very well suited for a few songs but terrible for most

Hence why I tend to not recommend it unless you have a collection already

[lean grove]

As it turns out it's not just reddit.

It's a very common opinion that the hd600 is well rounded

Downright default

[sleek lily]

I always found it odd that people default recommend it so often

It's amazing for solo vocalist tracks but bad for the music 90% of people will be listening to by default

Ie EDM, rap, busy metal or rock

[lean grove]

In my experience it's good for any music that isn't based off a synth.

Anything that you can point to something in the recording and say "that thing exists in physical reality" like a piano, guitar, singer, etc.

It will be good for.

[sleek lily]

I disagree but to each their own.

In my experience it loses a lot of micro detail as tracks get busy (especially when bass kicks in)

It also doesn't have the stage or imaging id want for busy orchestral

It has straight up amazing vocal detail though for the primary singer so long as there isn't a lot of bass

They also aren't really snappy or impactful in bass so bass heavy tracks kinda struggle on them even for casual listening imo

Except 535

That thing fixes the 6x0 bass problem

Ironically ends up being the best for bass in spite of measuring with the smallest bass bump

[lean grove]

Staging is a losing battle for headphones. It's a waste of time and money when speakers can do it better anyways.

[sleek lily]

Not everyone has room for a good speaker setup

And some headphones can get pretty wide when you deep listen

Especially with well recorded tracks

[lean grove]

Well that's the other part. The upper limit for headphones stage is entirely dependent on the recording

If you listen to properly recorded music meant for headphones even the 6X0 can stage really well.

So focusing on headphones for stage is still a waste of time and money.

[sleek lily]

There are headphones like 6x0 and a lot of items which won't sound wide even on the best recordings

They're just bound to be narrow

Which makes them even better for solo vocalist listening

[lean grove]

They're headphones so yes

[sleek lily]

But again makes them not good for a lot of other types of music

If I wanted to listen to a huge orchestral track for example id pick most of the headphones in my collection over my 580

[lean grove]

I listen to huge orchestral music all the time and I use the 6xx as opposed to any of my other soundstage memes.

So :p

[sleek lily]

To each their own again

But it's just not ideal for most music

[lean grove]

Hd800 and k1000 have problems elsewhere that make it distracting

[sleek lily]

Like any headphone it will play all music though

It doesn't have a circuit only accepting solo vocalist tracks to be output

It just is mainly for those

There are much better well rounded headphones for the 99% of beginners who won't just listen to that music

For the price though if you're just listening to that music with them they're great. Hence my opinion on almost all collections need one

[lean grove]

Well this is again accepting your statement that they're only good for 10% of music which you're really in the minority with that opinion.

It's really the other way around.

If you're stuck rotating and collecting headphones trying to minmax and match headphones to songs it's already a sign of failure.

[sleek lily]

I don't think many people who've heard more stuff would argue 6x0 have great stage or imaging or bass or even handle busy tracks well

Most people would describe them as amazing timbre, relaxed tonality, intimate, but veiled

[lean grove]

If youre the type of person who thinks that bass and stage are all there is to headphones then yeah I'd agree with you.

[lean grove]

Veiled is contentious but yeah that sums it up pretty well

[sleek lily]

No, I'm saying most beginners will listen to music that the 6x0 are very bad for with maybe 1 or 2 songs they're great for

[lean grove]

I realize that but I completely disagree with you on what constitutes "bad music for the hd600"

[sleek lily]

And most beginners won't have something great for that 90% of their songs and will just have the 1 headphones

Better to buy something great for everything they listen to then to zero in in specific sounds in future fans

Cans

[unique wind]

what do you suggest for headphones that are “great for everything” around $200?

[sleek lily]

At the moment he560v4

But it's cracked value rn

I'd take it over 6xx for timbre even. It's actually unfair value

Still falls behind black silk 6x0

But now they just do the silver screen

[lean grove]

So here's the other conundrum. You have no idea what is perfect for someone who doesn't even know what they like.

Beginners don't have the knowledge to describe what they want. That's something you learn from trying different things and seeing what's good.

The other reason the hd6x0 line is great for beginners is that it's been compared to literally everything and is a great baseline.

[lean grove]

Are they as good as the V1 or is it still weird like the v2 and v3

[unique wind]

the 1-3KHz region not aligning with the target will make voices and instruments sound unnatural

it will also worsen the center image

for the majority of people

[sleek lily]

Hence why something good for 5% of music shouldn't be recommended as opposed to something good for 95% unless someone specified they only listen to that 5% or they have other cans already that do the 95%

[lean grove]

The hifiman sound signature

[lean grove]

Again. You have it it flipped.

Its good for 95%

[sleek lily]

It's good for vocals when they're not in a busy track

[lean grove]

Define "busy"

[sleek lily]

That's not 95% of musicn

I love my 580 but I'm not going to pretend otherwise

[unique wind]

if i was allowed to use eq then id take the he560 over the 6xx

if i wasn’t then id take 6xx

[sleek lily]

I happen to have a lot of solo vocalist songs I listen to

Most people don't

Most people listen to metal or rap or EDM or rock which it sucks for

Relative to other alternatives that is

I'd take even my least favorite 6x0 (650) over consumer cans for even the fastest edm

[unique wind]

lttcord gamers should just be told to get the audeze maxwell tbh

[sleek lily]

@unique wind have you heard he560v4?

[unique wind]

nop

[sleek lily]

I think I have a measurement of it next to 580 saved somewhere

[unique wind]

i have he400se and sundara

i’ve been using my truthear nova iems exclusively for a long time now though

[sleek lily]

They're nothing like 560v4

I don't like either of those tbh

[lean grove]

If you think that the only thing that those music genres have to offer is bass and kick drums yes I would agree with you there.

[sleek lily]

They have a lot more to offer than just vocals

They tend to have presentation and tend to benefit from impact and maintaining detail when other things start to play

@unique wind I don't have the he560v4 measurement saved on my phone and I'm at a resort nowhere near my computer rn but it's not really brighter than hd580

V4 and v1 also aren't nearly the same in how they measure

Tonality between 580 and v4 definitely aren't the same though

[sleek lily]

Also I definitely don't think timbre can be drawn to tonality

[lean grove]

Some people disagree

[sleek lily]

They're 2 different things

I've heard headphones with very similar tonality and nowhere near the same timbre

580 with black silk vs silver screen baffle even have very different timbre and don't measure too far in frequency response

Although they do measure more off than you'd expect

[lean grove]

It's a mixture of factors. The tonality can definitely play a role.

Same way how tonality can impact resolution

[sleek lily]

I would disagree there too tbh

I've heard super detailed dark headphones

And super non resolving bright headphones

And vice versa

[lean grove]

Ever had a super farty headphone that makes any bass detail pretty much non-existent?

Boost one part of the range and it will obscure parts around it

[sleek lily]

Every consumer headphone

[lean grove]

So yes. Resolution is somewhat dependent on tonality.

[sleek lily]

That's more association not causation

Cause there are also bass boosted resolving headphones

[lean grove]

The mega fart mid bass boost is the causation of the loss in resolution

[sleek lily]

You can believe so if you'd like

[lean grove]

You do that with any headphone and it will have the same problem

[sleek lily]

I can't stop you

[lean grove]

I mean if you think you can add a 20db mid bass boost at 200hz and think you still have bass resolution more power to you

You can very easily test this for yourself

[tough copper]

Hi, I'm looking for a low latency gaming headset but I'm having troubles finding info about their actual latency. Audeze pointed out that the latency values in rtings.com for the Maxwell were even not properly measured and did it themselves. However, they didn't measure latency with wired connection so I'm definitely lost. Will pretty much any good gaming headset have minimal <1ms latency if wired? Any examples are welcome too :)

[lean grove]

Ratings data is unfortunately the only data we got.

From what I know I think 10-20ms is pretty typical for 2.4ghz transmitters for audio

[warm scarab]

i appreciate 400se because its cheap

sundara is pretty shit

you can salvage it with eq but its by no means a good option

[lean grove]

And as for wired connections, I'm not sure. There's a lot of factors that goes into it. Your DACs buffer, windows probably has a thing or two to say

[tough copper]

Okay so I just can gamble and believe lol

Thanks for the help!

I keep seeing the Maxwell headphones all over the place, are they really that good?

[lean grove]

People I trust say they're one of the best wireless headsets out there.

Downsides I've been seeing is they're heavy, no ANC, and some people have quality control issues. But if you're willing to deal with customer support the quality control is a non-issue

If you need wireless, they seem like a good pick

If you can deal with wired, you can probably get something comparable for about half as much

[tough copper]

I might be down to getting wired ones so will check it out

Tysm!

[lean grove]

Take a look at the pc38x or pc37x as an alternative

but otherise gl

[sleek lily]

Yea, it's an impressive piece for its price

[sleek lily]

But for $69 more he560v4 makes it a joke

[warm scarab]

and 60$ more for edition xs makes the he560v4 a joke

we live in a society

[sleek lily]

Idk about thay

*that

[wraith birch]

I have so much money into my audio setup for what I use it for

[sleek lily]

Xs ive heard described as a less detailed but more energetic Ananda

[warm scarab]

welcome to the gang

[sleek lily]

I'd take he560v4 over that any day

[warm scarab]

its a sidegrade

to ananda

speaking of which, you tried ananda?

[wraith birch]

I have 2 different mics lol, the rode nta-1 and a Shure sm7b

[warm scarab]

💀

[wraith birch]

All I do is game

[warm scarab]

400$ 🚮

i hope that's like a 50th hand sm7b

[sleek lily]

he560v4 is kinda like a baby he1000 in the sense it's got a natural timbre and does everything well

[warm scarab]

that's what they call xs too lmao

[sleek lily]

But it doesn't make large images like he1000 do

[wraith birch]

I got given $1000 in Amazon gift cards as a bonus

[sleek lily]

If it's got Ananda timbre I wouldn't call it natural

[warm scarab]

that's nice in that case but idk

it shares the qualities of a 20$ mic

except you need a cloudlifter or a strong interface for it

which makes it even a bigger and worse investment

[warm scarab]

what does timbe mean man

[wraith birch]

I do record voiceover and vocals, I have it tuned well

[warm scarab]

this isn't an instrument

timbre doesn't exist

[sleek lily]

It's like the material sound propertie sounds take

Like with a lot of lower end planars you get a metallic sound

[warm scarab]

so resonance

timbre is a stupidly large word

[sleek lily]

That's probably where a lot of it ties back tk

[warm scarab]

it can mean like 50 different things

slew rate

tonality

imaging

layering

resonance

dynamic range

[sleek lily]

Idk if anyone would use it to mean any of those

[warm scarab]

i mean you just did

[sleek lily]

It is generally used to describe a material sound that details take on

[warm scarab]

and that is the result of like 20 different factors overlapping

[sleek lily]

How did I describe timbre as imaging, tonality, slew rate, layering, or dynamic range?

[sleek lily]

Also what does slew rate even have to do with a headphone

[warm scarab]

its a headphone driver

it moves back and forth

[sleek lily]

Idk what this is supposed to show besides me saying a lot of it probably ties back to resonances

[warm scarab]

so from this we can deduce that you described an issue largely correlating with resonance with timbre

[sleek lily]

So how is it at all any of those other things?

Especially slew rate

[warm scarab]

its very much related to slew rate

planars don't have as much decay because of their responsive drivers related to slew rate

[sleek lily]

Do you know what slew rate is?

[warm scarab]

its the response to changes in voltage

and what is voltage in this context, the audio signal

a headphone driver when fed a signal responds to it and when cut off stops responding to it, this reaction is not equal between all headphones

[sleek lily]

Slew rate is a spec for maximum rate of changing voltage

Unless the headphone has a built in amplifier slew rate has 0 relation to them

[warm scarab]

my mistake I was talking about impulse response

my brain went kaput

[sleek lily]

It sounds more like you're thinking of something relating to front vs rear damping factor of a driver

Which tbf might have some role to play in timbre too

I couldn't say if it does or doesn't

[warm scarab]

its the reason why bass on the same volume in a planar vs a dynamic sounds different

the bass in the dynamic end sounds thicker whereas typically the planar is thinner

its related to this

well not 1:1 but its one of the factors

[sleek lily]

But presentation (imaging, staging, layering) definitely have 0 to do with timbre

[warm scarab]

its a vague term open to interpretation

[sleek lily]

I can think of a headphone with great presentation with amazing timbre and a headphone with terrible presentation with also great timbre

[warm scarab]

even if it isn't to you it may be to others

which is why i hate the term

[sleek lily]

It describes a sound @warm scarab

[warm scarab]

everyone has their own interpretation of it

[sleek lily]

Not how that sound is reached

[warm scarab]

a lot of things do

[sleek lily]

Just like how staging describes a sound

[warm scarab]

and most of those have better words to describe themselves

[sleek lily]

But there are multiple factors that our interpretation of distance of sounds are currently understood to tie back to

[warm scarab]

yes but its a lot more narrowed down

[sleek lily]

Doesn't mean you can't say x headphone is wider than y to you

[warm scarab]

and we can clearly define the factor of how distant something sounds

we can ask 10 different guys what timbre means

and get like 5 different answers

[sleek lily]

I can clearly describe timbre

Ananda sounds metallic and 600 sounds natural

[warm scarab]

you can clearly describe it according to yourself

there is no dictionary for this definition

[sleek lily]

Others opinions can differ

That's audio for you

People don't even all interpret stage the same

[warm scarab]

yeah and when you use incredibly ambigous language it doesn't exactly help

[sleek lily]

Because it largely has to do with neural pathing

[warm scarab]

if you want to talk neural pathing we can have an argument for everything

[sleek lily]

Some people's brains just aren't wired to properly tell distance with the same data so they might not even be able to tell staging between different headphones

Doesn't mean they're hearing wrong

Just different

[warm scarab]

by that logic nothing matters since someone else can hear it differently

the entire headphone discussion and market competition is completely worthless

nothing makes he1k a better headphone than cloud 2

[sleek lily]

There are things most people will agree on at least relative to things

As long as they have exposure

Like idk if anyone would argue hd650 sounds wider than hd800

But there are people who would argue neither sounds wide to their ears

He6sev2 to me sounds narrow until you deep listen, in which case it unveils a seemingly hidden back stage

[warm scarab]

at that point id wager that's your ears being adjusted to the frequency response

[steel escarp]

welp now that I put the ferrum oor up for sale time to buy the Holo Cyan 2 DAC

[lean grove]

That one actually looks interesting

[livid ruin]

isn't that just your ears getting used to them?

[steel escarp]

idk if its gonna be good, I mainly care for trying new stuff out

I haven't had any good purchases besides violectric v222 and he1000v2 stealth, who knows maybe it will be a rare Grey W

[warm scarab]

not anymore it doesn't

greyslop

[steel escarp]

💀

also zahl hm1 is overhyped

so is hqplayer

holo spring dac was okay

[warm scarab]

your iq isn't high enough to use hqplayer

[steel escarp]

I am a programmer

how can I not use hqplayer

[lean grove]

You're right. If grey wants it it's probably bad.

[steel escarp]

I hate the both of you

[lean grove]

I'm just using statistics here

[warm scarab]

yeah like

we are being pretty objective

[steel escarp]

bro statistically you have a 1/5 chance to get a Chinese baby since 20% of people born on the planet are Chinese

the statistics will say what you want them to say

[warm scarab]

because its literally unrelated to being a programmer and instead to being a dac manufacturer

its not like you are writing scripts to run hqplayer it has a fully working user gui

[steel escarp]

you just need to enable hqplayer in foobar

[warm scarab]

yeah i told you your iq wasn't high enough lmao

the point of hqplayer isn't that it magically enhances audio

[steel escarp]

it upsamples it

[warm scarab]

its point is you can add or completely overwrite the pcm filters your dac has depending on its architecture

read the user manual

[steel escarp]

I dont have hqplayer

I tried it at a guy's place who had holo may and zahl hm1

[warm scarab]

keep in mind there are dacs that hqplayer doesn't work with

based on how they are made

some don't allow changing the pcm filters

some only allow overwriting on top of existing ones

some allow you to do everything

[steel escarp]

I don't bother with DSD

[warm scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1140835140306743449.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[silver ledge]

Guys I bloody done lost my Sony platinum headset dongle 😿
Is their a way to connect the headset to the PC without the dongle?

[warm scarab]

hqplayer is overhyped
im a programmer
how can I not use hqplayer
its an upsampler
i dont have hqplayer
i dont bother with dsd

[warm scarab]

get good headfone 👍

[lean grove]

If you're in China the chances go up to nearly 100%

[warm scarab]

statistically you have a 100% chance of being born chinese 20% of the time

[silver ledge]

I am way too poor for that

[warm scarab]

how much was the sony platinum

[silver ledge]

Idk found it in da home lying around

That was 2 years ago or something

Can't find a replacement in my country

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-speech-bubble-the-boys-upset-crying-gif-26284753

[sleek lily]

No

They just straight up are narrow and lack staging and imaging until you sit back and deep listen to the subtle things in the back of its stage

Makes it good for music listening while calm but sucks for listening to music while doing other things or for gaming

[sleek lily]

I actually read into the topic of how the ears determine distance of sound because someone in another server insisted that it's just frequency response and amps and dacs and all the similar tonality headphones I heard with different stages must all not have any play in staging. Actual understanding RN is it's mostly ild and itd. There isn't any reason to assume staging related to frequency response from anything I could find.

But no, it isn't the ears adjusting to frequency response

It's just how he6sev2 presents

And I wouldn't draw conclusions on it like that unless you've used it and even if so you need to accept not everyone will hear things the same as you. You also need to realize everything is relative in audio.

To me it's largely because the he6 has a front stage that's mostly very big and very hard to focus past images with a back stage that holds a lot of smaller details and presents them as much much smaller and harder to focus on sounds.

[elder thistle]

I'd say its a component of bass control, but not resolution

in low frequencies we're bound to hear ringing or masking of sorts

my favorite example is the hd560s either version, with stock vs replacement pads

at stock the presentation to me sounded relatively tight, and at least more resolving than dt990 250 bass

the bass clearly muddied itself together though in metal music

with the replacement pads, it was more like the issues with bass control were amplified and made more obvious, but still muddied together similarly bad

[sleek lily]

Yea, I'm pretty sure I can bass boost my he6se bass 20db and it'll still be better controlled than be Eqing a beats can to have neutral bass

[elder thistle]

a shure srh440a would be a good non-example for me. it has too much 200hz, but after listening for a little it was clear that the bass control was great regardless

[sleek lily]

I have flat bass cans that have better bass than my most boosted cans

I also have flat bass cans that handle bass completely different while measuring bass the same

[elder thistle]

ye

[sleek lily]

Looking at these 2 you'd expect 535 to have less bass energy and sound worse for bass focused music

But it ends up having better presented bass with more of a snappy feel and more of a sense of energy to the bass

[elder thistle]

and that stays the same when eq'd up right?

[sleek lily]

It also handles other parts of the music better when bass gets busy but that's partially explainable by it being lower in volume tbh

[sleek lily]

Haven't eqd 535 but I'd imagine so

Most of the affect probably has to do with how the 6x0 driver seemingly hates being over damped

And it's got similar rear damping to 580 but a thinner baffle

It's also surprisingly wide for a 6x0

But idk how much of that traces back to it using a different coil

It's the best well rounded of the 6x0 design cans I've heard though

[elder thistle]

hm

[sleek lily]

But 580 I'd still take by a bit for solo vocalist tracks

Which is the main reason it's in my collection

535 would be an infinitely better noob can though

Especially cause it actually sounds good on lower end amplifiers too and is easy to power

[lean grove]

I'm saying as a part of tuning in this hypothetical headphones. It's not a bass control issue if it's completely intentional.

But regardless

It's impacting resolution

It's masking. Obscuring. Distracting.

If its making it harder to hear details when it's dominating. Its impacting resolution

[sleek lily]

Depends on the driver

[lean grove]

It doesn't.

[sleek lily]

Some drivers handle bass much much much better than others

Even with flat bass headphones they won't all resolve the same

Even though bass is the same on all of them

[lean grove]

You're not reading what I'm saying

This is the 20db mid bass nuke.

It doesn't matter what headphone driver, it will have the same effect

[sleek lily]

I disagree

So do many of the headphones I've heard

But to each their own

[lean grove]

Then you're either wrong or you're just not understanding what I'm saying

It could be both

Who knows

Planars aren't magic

They're still beholden to physics

Like if I tank every frequency by -100db except two narrow bands, there will be zero resolution. Planar, stax, dynamic

If I raise a narrow band by +100db it will turn your headphones into a tone generator

You're literally saying that there's still resolution in these scenarios depending on the driver

[sleek lily]

Or

Get this

Everyone can have their own opinion in audio

I'm not gonna tell you what to hear

Don't tell me

[lean grove]

well feel free to have it but there's a lot of new people that wander in here and it's too easy for them to be mislead by people who are spouting their "opinion" and people take it as "fact"

so have it in private

[sleek lily]

Rn nobody is agreeing with you and it's not like you have some scientific basis

So kinda misleading today we're misleading people

[warm scarab]

wow im loving my newly eq'd headphones

[lean grove]

Hows the resolution

[warm scarab]

very uh stable

[lean grove]

this isnt science. you dont need to do a study to figure out that a massive peak that masks every single other frequency will affect what you can hear

[elder thistle]

it's very possible to mask other frequencies, especially if the headphones aren't that resolving in the first place

but,

this also depends on distance between frequencies

[warm scarab]

its 20dB jackson

how resolving can it be

and its midbass too

[elder thistle]

about -26db is the 5% threshold for sometimes noticeable 2nd harmonic distortion

this is 200hz against -30db 2khz

the masking effect is very low

works similarly for 1600hz yes, if you want it matched in powers of 2

the extra -10db is decently representative of pink noise weighting for a -20db difference

when details like this are outside the realms of masking via the brain, driver differences will have to come into play

granted, not all details would fall outside this masking

sub-1khz frequencies at the far end of reverb tails can be easily masked by this since they're well below -30db

[lean grove]

for sure. but the original argument was whether or not resolution depends on frequency resposne

and this is the logical extreme showing that yes it definitely can

biooc is saying that frequency response does not impact resolution

[warm scarab]

its literally 2 frequencies

and nothing else

how is this a good comparison

are you trying to show us that the mario 1 8bit soundtrack would remain unaffected by a 20dB peak

[elder thistle]

a 20db peak is a frequency

[elder thistle]

saws, with the 2khz one turned down -10db. about +6db pink noise. then a 20db boost at 200hz

[elder thistle]

my vote would be yes, but it's rare and generally I only see it in the treble

I still see these as two different properties of course

hm

[haughty girder]

Objective or Subjective resolution? If you record a sine sweep and add distortion into that sweep it likely wouldn't make a difference. But if you're listening to a track with many overlapping frequencies then yes it'll affect resolution because a frequency is masking another

and with EQ, at a certain point you're hitting resolution limits of the track itself if you're playing back digital files

[sleek lily]

Doesn't seem you can buy hd620 pads

[sleek lily]

He's talking about just looking at a graph and telling if a headphone is resolving off just that

Not hitting digital clipping

He's also arguing it's driver independent

So not just louder will mean more distortion

Or even physical clipping

Which would also kinda imply ksc75 is more resolving than most stax and he6 and he1000 and most high end planars

[elder thistle]

the more resolving / higher instrument separation a headphone is, the less relevant it's frequency response is

[sleek lily]

Because they have flat to slightly boosted bass relative to mids and highs

But ksc75 bass is super rolled off

[sleek lily]

I'd agree here

Presentation can play a great deal in determining details

[elder thistle]

for frequency response, I hear my neumann ndh20 as approximately the inverse of this

it's not what I would call a smooth response

but,

I've been listening to it for a long time, and I can hear those things at 6 or 7k very easily

because the headphones have so much instrument separation / overlapping sounds don't lose detail, the fine detail remains in tact despite the frequency response having some light masking

if there were masking and then detail was lost from the headphones being cheaper or worse, maybe the frequency response would be the nail in the coffin

in this case it isn't. I still use it as my main monitors for music production and mixing

[lean grove]

Im absolutely not

you dont understand anything

ive been saying the same exact thing over and over and you still dont get it somehow

[sleek lily]

Then what are you arguing?

[lean grove]

.

[lean grove]

and here

[lean grove]

and here

and just for good measure,
resolution is dependent on frequency response.
and what that means is that its not solely dependent. its not the only thing that matters.
it plays a role

if i have a stool with three legs its dependent on at least one of them.

[sleek lily]

@lean grove you were arguing it's independent of the driver. How does that relate?

[lean grove]

dang i wish i explained that earlier too

oh wait

[lean grove]

here

[lean grove]

or here

this applies to any driver, any sound system, any setup

[sleek lily]

So in other words... Frequency response doesn't relate to detail unless something is at an inaudible level

[lean grove]

well no. if you take it to, lets say, -30db

audible levels all around but dominated by one frequency

your resolution is gonna suffer

[sleek lily]

So you can't look at a graph and say "this headphone has no detail"

[lean grove]

obviously not that would be a stupid thing to suggest

[sleek lily]

Good, then why are you trying to argue with me

[sleek lily]

Ties more into volume can play a role in detail than tonality unless you have some canceled out frequency or something keeping you from even getting other sounds to audible levels

[lean grove]

what is tonality but a hyper specific volume at different frequencies

and it works the other way around. if i raise a huge portion, rather than cut everything, it will dominate regions around it. its all relative

[sleek lily]

That's exactly what it is but unless you have something canceled out a frequency being slightly louder or less loud doesn't mean you don't hear it

[lean grove]

it means its harder to hear

which means, lower resolution

[sleek lily]

So do Bose resolve midbass better than he6?

It's louder on them

Does dt990 resolve highs better than stax?

[lean grove]

at this point i feel like you're intetionally misreading

do you need me to put it into chat gpt

[sleek lily]

No, but you're misleadingly connecting things that don't relate

Less loud doesn't mean less resolution just because inaudible means none

As long as it's in audible range you can make out detail from a frequency if the driver works properly

How well the headphone presents that detail depends on more factors

[lean grove]

its less sound relative to the region around it. if a bass drum is blasting into your ear its harder to make out what the singer is doing

like i feel this is pretty common knowledge

i shouldnt have to explain this to you

when you're at a club or a concert and you cant hear the person next to you, youre seeming to say that the person's voice is just as detailed as if it were in a quiet room

[lean grove]

and this is the exact opposite of what i've been saying. the bump in midbass would contribute a lower resolution than a completely flat and linear bass

slow gradual changes so one frequency doesnt dominate anything around it.

thats why people do bass shelves and not just a massive peak at, say, 60hz with a q of 3

[elder thistle]

the problem is that volume is not really a property of volume

what

volume not a property of detail

someone mixing music has the freedom to take their airy pads or other "detailed" sound and change it's volume

that doesn't change it's detail, it changes it's volume

it is possible for that detail to be too quiet or too loud

but it's fundamentally the same thing

[lean grove]

if detail is harder to notice is that more resolving or less resolving

we'll break down the argument into smaller bits and pieces and see where the confusion is

[elder thistle]

hm...

well it depends on the nature of how it's hard to notice

[lean grove]

what different natures are you thinking of.

[elder thistle]

imagine inspecting the timbre of cymbals with the headphones on your head vs lying on the desk

[lean grove]

the headphones lying on your desk, you mean

[elder thistle]

ye

the texture becomes diffused and blurred. information is essentially not recoverable

only the macrodetail is observable

[lean grove]

okay im with you, what next?

[elder thistle]

big things that overpower this diffusion yes

[lean grove]

sure. there are some parts making it to your ears

[elder thistle]

in this case, the details of the cymbals are harder to hear because of, well... a lot of things

but changing the tone won't bring these back, despite there being a change in tone from not being worn yes

in the case of an unbalanced headphone like a dt990, sounds with details at 5-6k will retain the information of those details when there's an 8k peak next to it

but it's skewed in volume

that volume can potentially mask details at 5-6k, but the properties of the sound in that region still exist

[lean grove]

okay. so we've set two situations. one where the details are not recoverable and ones where they are.

right?

[elder thistle]

ye

[lean grove]

okay. so at some point, if you take those headphones off your desk and slowly put them onto your head, is there going to be one solid point where suddenly theres detail or will there be a slow and gradual change until the detail is recoverable.

is detail presence a binary thing or is it an continuous analog thing.

[elder thistle]

probably the latter, but I imagine most of the change will happen in the last few inches

[lean grove]

right. but we can just scale up those last few inches and use some calipers or a specialized machine to place it at one thousandth of an inch at a time in this scenario

so as you take the headphones off and the tonality slowly shifts to the headphone on the table unrecoverable point, is the headphone getting more or less detailed

[elder thistle]

it's probably not great for several reasons to have the driver smashed against the ear, but in my experience with swapping earpads on the m50x clones, there's something great about the thinner earpads and how resolving they can be. thicker earpads probably break the alignment of the ear with the driver and allow too much diffusion or something. it's just more of a wash of sound with not as much fine detail

[lean grove]

that's tangential. in this scenario, as you take your hd600s off, you're approaching having them on the table.

[elder thistle]

less detail with more distance yes

[lean grove]

oops wait.

i did that backwards

does this graph make sense.

as we move the headphone to the table, the detail decreases.

[elder thistle]

yes

[lean grove]

so there will be some point where all the frequencies are present, but the detail is still lower than having the headphones on your head

[elder thistle]

I believe so

haven't actually measured this

[amber trail]

does anyone know what microphone this is?

[elder thistle]

neumann tlm something uh

[lean grove]

an expensive one is the short answer

tlm 103 looks like

[blissful valve]

This honestly

[amber trail]

ouch, but thank you

[lean grove]

we can infer this because its a continuous graph. frequencies dont dissappear, they get gradually quieter. they have to go from 0db to -5db to -10db and so on.

[elder thistle]

well yes

but a lot of other things have changed

[lean grove]

like?

[elder thistle]

well we can think of the front of the driver, baffle filters, and earpads all creating a reflection scenario that lands certain parts of the sound onto the ear in a specific way

this is now a chaotic situation where it's not functioning as intended

there's also room acoustics, and just plain old distance

I don't know if the recipe for this kind of effect has actually been figured out. it would be extremely helpful to have the microdetail/macrodetail presentation of studio monitors emulated in a pair of headphones

[lean grove]

you're fundamentally changing the way the headphone operates mechanically yeah. but you could argue that a breached seal has the same effect. and we can remove the room as a factor since i think doing this anechoically will still have the same effect of
"removing headphones = less detail"

[elder thistle]

probably

[lean grove]

we can get into the nitty gritty but i dont think that its really important to the argument. the 990s are gonna be easier to discuss.

since in this scenario, they remain on our head

now if we take those peaks on the dt990 and amplify them to the extreme. kinda like what you did with your Neumann's. but way way worse. +100 db at the end.
as we do this, is the headphone becoming more or less detailed as we move to the point of explosions happening in your ears at ~200db.

and lets pretend this is a pair of magic 990s that can handle the power

[elder thistle]

at that point we would probably only hear the peak and it's sides, plus distortion

[lean grove]

so that would be less detailed?

[elder thistle]

uh kind of

we do not hear the details

[lean grove]

from the perspective of the listener?

[elder thistle]

it becomes a thing of "does it have properties if you can't hear it"

[lean grove]

well i dont put my headphones in the middle of the woods and hope they make sound, i put them on my head

so we're assuming that this is a pair of headphones on someone's head. from their perspective, as you increase the peaks to this absurd amount, they would become less resolving headphones for the listener. yes?

[elder thistle]

if I wore such a headphone and could only hear a peak and nothing else, at least my first impressions (and last impressions if no eq) would be that the headphones are not detailed or resolving

but if I were able to eq it down step by step and confirm that the peak is not causing a mechanical problem or something that actually disrupts detail in other ways, then I'd have to mark it as an interesting situation

the headphone has detail, but it's been nuked out of the audible range with the frequency response

I always try to keep these two things, forms of detail vs frequency response, separate unless something happens like distortion

[lean grove]

so you have some interesting headphones that have their detail nuked out of the audible range. as you decrease that massive peak using the EQ that you used to put it there in the first place, are the headphones becoming more or less resolving.

for you, the listener

[sleek lily]

@elder thistle I think it might have more to do with the thicker ear pads creating a larger area of less resistance to pressurize the cup relative to the back pressure of the driver. Probably a bad description but in other words it likely is a similar affect to over vs under damping a driver

Using 6x0 as an example again the silver screen baffles seem to be the thickest and that driver doesn't like being over damped in the front so they tend to behave the worst in my experience

(in spite of Sennheiser claiming they don't change sound)

The thin silk baffle of the 535 however seems to let the driver behave as it's intended

[elder thistle]

I imagine this would be really hard for me to assess or classify

once I hear other things happening then just that tone, I'd be trying to find ways to turn up the volume while not blowing my ears out with the existing tone

[sleek lily]

Also likely similar to 569 vs hd620

[elder thistle]

because I tend to assess detail at some kind of listening level like 70-80db

[sleek lily]

Because 620 removed the rear damping paper in order to give that driver more room to move without pressurizing the area behind it

[lean grove]

thats an interesting twist. you'd leave the peak and try to work around it?

[elder thistle]

yes but it may not be possible or tolerable without eqing it down more

and listening for changes in the overall sound would be important

[lean grove]

but are you understanding the base of my argument. that you can take these things to the extreme and the perceived detail of the headphones to the listener decreases. that there is some point where the frequency response changes due to some multitude of factors and the information reaching the listener is negatively impacted

and as you ease away from these extreme situations, you reach a point where the listener gets their information from the headphones in the proper way.

but in between the extreme and the ideal scenario, there is a change.

[elder thistle]

yes, it's possible for frequency response to mask what details someone can hear

some of akg's older or lower end closed backs make a good case for this

[lean grove]

thats been my whole argument.

[elder thistle]

it just doesn't help that the headphones are also not capable of much detail

[lean grove]

frequency response is a contributing factor

[elder thistle]

well the akg here is casually doing 10 and 20db swings like it forgot what it was doing

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stealth-thorpe-park-rollercoaster-intamin-gif-31406542978241275

[elder thistle]

I'm just saying it's rare on the kind of headphones generally talked about, especially on more resolving headphones

[lean grove]

theres some wiggle room of the frequency response being negligible. but if you had something stepping its toes outside those negligible bounds, i think a more even and smooth FR would be more resolving than with the peaks.

it certainly wouldnt be less resolving if that was the only thing you changed.

[lavish flare]

Quick question; I've got an SMSL SU1 and ZA3 but I wanted to have adjustments in front of me for bass and treble. Would I be able to add a Fosi P3 and go PC> DAC > P3 > ZA3 > Speakers?

[floral path]

The new toy arrived

I gravely underestimated how much of a chonk it was going to be

Good thing a new arm is also coming in on Friday, the Aliexpress lampless one is not cutting it anymore

[tender frost]

Family's in hong kong for vacation, spotted this lol

[warm scarab]

how much is that in usd

[tender frost]

$4072.21

[warm scarab]

thats not a bad price

[sleek lily]

I think that's the open box price on their site rn roughly

With coupon codes

LIMITED299 should work

299 off orders over 2000

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/susvara-2-5mm-refurbished.html

Refurbished is even cheaper

I really think the trace on the he6seV2 is the same as susvara

Magnet array seems to be the same too but not stealth magnets

Both are 60 ohms too

[sleek lily]

Diaphragm is probably different or tensioned different though

[warm scarab]

i think susvara was a magnet change over the he6

and he6se was a he6 driver but bad

they intentionally fucked it up so they could sell susvaras for 6k instead of he6 for 600$ ish

[sleek lily]

Afaik all they changed is possibly a thinner trace but they used pads it doesn't sound as good with and removed the damping foam and cotton

New pad seals easier though tbf

But you can swap the pads

And most people would remove the foam and cotton anyways

[warm scarab]

i dont think trace was the only change

but yeah it was most likely also changed since the driver doesnt kill itself randomly anymore

[sleek lily]

That was seemingly from the magnets not using a hard enough resin to hold them in place

They are stupidly strong magnets

[warm scarab]

plausible

wonder if you could service that

[sleek lily]

No

[warm scarab]

idk hot glue the magnets or something after getting a working he6

before it breaks

[sleek lily]

They would tear the trace apart as they fling to the other side

You could reinforce them before hand for sure

[warm scarab]

yeah but im curious about the effect it would have on the audio if any at all

[sleek lily]

Taking the driver apart isn't a good idea though unless you have a lot of clamps

[warm scarab]

or how notable it would be

I'm not familiar with the he6 driver assembly

[sleek lily]

They also removed a round support beam but it didn't do much

The driver body wasn't usually the failure point

[warm scarab]

it doesnt look like a total bitch to take apart though

contrary to some other planars

[sleek lily]

It was basically just the resin

It's just held together by screws

But the magnets are really strong

And if they shift at all they'll pull together instead of push

[warm scarab]

how would you reinforce this realistically

[sleek lily]

Adding more resin

[warm scarab]

resin can be a bitch to work with tbh

but that's probably the best idea if you dont want to mess things up

[sleek lily]

It's definitely an overjoyed headphone though imo

Even with the og pads

[warm scarab]

ive not heard the og he6

no comment but if its anything like susvara or he1k then i wouldnt say its overhyped

[sleek lily]

He1k is much better

[warm scarab]

v1?

[sleek lily]

V1 and V2 imo

Haven't tried the others

[sleek lily]

SE really should have been called v3

[sleek lily]

Image I got of the driver

[haughty cairn]

If there is a headset with two options of being wired or wireless, the wireless usually cost more money, but does wired typically have better sound/mic quality due to being wired?

[warm scarab]

generally wired is better compared to wireless

but if the same headphone has a wired and wireless variant its 90% gamerslop or 9.9% large tech slop

the 0.1% is ananda wireless and akg k371/361

[haughty cairn]

I'm looking at the Logitech G Pro X. The wireless is mid-$200s and the wired version is on sale for $69.99. I have a $25 Amazon GC to make that even cheaper. My current headset is a Logitech G930. Have had this baby for about 5-6 years and it's on its way out.

[lean grove]

wonder where that extra $130 is going to

actually nevermind. its going directly to logitech's pockets

[haughty cairn]

Lol

[warm scarab]

idk go get like a hd560s

[lean grove]

also what the hell i had a g930 when i was in middle school.

that was. 12 years ago

[warm scarab]

g pro x is somehow frequency response wise worse than the wireless version

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-desperate-i-need-a-drink-that70s-kitty-forman-gif-25152005

[warm scarab]

i was so confused when i saw that

[lean grove]

why

[warm scarab]

dude same

[lean grove]

wireless is gonna have dsp

[warm scarab]

they could dsp the wired too

[lean grove]

is it usb wired

[warm scarab]

idk but they could make it usb wired

[haughty cairn]

My G930 is currently held together with duck tape 😄

[lean grove]

sounds about right

[warm scarab]

I used mine duct taped for a year you'll be fine

[lean grove]

@haughty cairn https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-yellow-gaming-headset

[warm scarab]

those hinges aren't built to last

[lean grove]

how do you feel about this

[warm scarab]

oh yea pc38x is pretty good

[haughty cairn]

Honestly I'm not too picky. I don't game as much as I use too. And when I do game, it's just casual play, nothing competitive.

[warm scarab]

go get the thing nils sent then

[lean grove]

it looks like its limited stcok

ebay has some for like $130

[grizzled rivet]

Question for those who use AT2020 USB's. Recent got away from my wireless headset and went back to my at2020 with IEM's. Since switching my mic is super sensitive. I tried adjusting gain in windows settings and its to the point where 98 will casue my voice to be choppy and 100 will pickup the slighest noise. I tried adjusting volume in discord but had no luck. Is there any advice on what to do? free software?

Thanks in advance

[lean grove]

OBS is a free software that you can use to do some vocal processing on your mic

[warm scarab]

right click the windows audio slider in the properties section of the mic

select dB

set it to 0dB

and dont ever change it

also does this thing have a gain knob

lower that thing

[grizzled rivet]

Those are the two adjustments I have on it

[warm scarab]

turn down the gain

and get close to the mic

simple as

you shouldn't be using it like a shotgun mic

[grizzled rivet]

When I turn it to 0 you literally cannot hear anything even if im 1in away talking

[warm scarab]

i mean thats normal

because that means you have 0 gain

but you need to keep it low as possible

and you shouldn't be further than like 2 inches while using the mic

maybe 3

[unreal sequoia]

Need some insight on audio and computers

So far I understand that speakers work on Analog signal
Computers are digital

So a motherboard typically ( in today's world) has an audio chipset (realtek something something)
And more expensive boards get a more premium chipset while cheap ones like asrock get a cheap Realtek alc892/897

What about bluetooth headphones.. bluetooth works on digital 2.4ghz

So my headphones receive digital signal and is converted to analog inside the headphones correct?

[warm scarab]

that's right

also you call them drivers instead of speakers

speakers are an assembled unity meant for distanced audio playback

[unreal sequoia]

Why is that headphones sound different when connecting to a PC compared to when connected to my smartphone playing the same audio?

[warm scarab]

voltage difference

it probably sounds about the same

but because the volume changes you feel like the audio quality changes

[unreal sequoia]

Hmm
I have to test that

[warm scarab]

there is also the possibility the dac/amp chip of your systems are different in quality but most of the recent tech is decent enough to be basically the same quality

[warm scarab]

place your headphones on your desk

get a db meter app on your phone, place that on your desk too

open a tone generator in your browser

set it to like 500hz

increase or lower the volume on your pc until the same db is reached

[unreal sequoia]

But given that my headphones are bluetooth, that shouldnt be an issue

[lean grove]

That's probably the issue

Bluetooth

[warm scarab]

I missed the part where the headphones in question were bluetooth but in this case that's likely a codec thing

[unreal sequoia]

Hmm i see

[warm scarab]

windows is pretty shit at handling good quality audio codecs

[unreal sequoia]

So bluetooth chipset on a PC and smartphone can vary the sound

[warm scarab]

its more a driver issue on windows side

they just dont give enough of a shit to allow their terrible bluetooth drivers to actually make use of higher quality formats

whereas phones have had them for years given they are the prominent use case for bluetooth stuff

there are ways to bypass this issue on windows but that can cost money

[unreal sequoia]

On phones its a SOC ..so it gets upgraded usually all the time with newer generations

[warm scarab]

the bt chip itself actually doesn't matter a ton

its more the codecs it supports or doesn't

[unreal sequoia]

What about linux?

[warm scarab]

in windows case even if you got bluetooth 50000 you still use shitty sbc codecs so it doesnt matter

[warm scarab]

I am not certain

maybe you can use good codecs on linux

[unreal sequoia]

Got it. Thanks for clarifying

[warm scarab]

but I think a lot of them are closed source so it may not be possible

better look that up though

[unreal sequoia]

👍

[sleek lily]

Skullheiser

[livid ruin]

mudd

[copper kelp]

I have legit questions take it easy on me

Ive never had a music headset
Only gaming ones

I bought the Soundcore space one as sort of a budget option
After seeing like 1000 reviews

Its meh

Then i went and got the Sony XM5

I dont like either of them

Coming from gaming headsets i just cant see why these ones are so expensive

Theyre not as loud, nowhere near as loud

And the sound quality isnt that impressive anw

How far do i go up the headset market before i cry while listening to my favorite song

😭

[lean grove]

if you're cool with earbuds, about $25

[copper kelp]

I have some sundcore buds
And the galaxy buds
And buds plus

Any recommendation for an upgrade?
Money is no issue but i dont wanna overspend

[lean grove]

truthear gate or salnotes zero if you wanna get just something dirt cheap and still pretty good.

then after that, truthear hexa is what i use.

and the latest hotness is the meze alba.

[elder thistle]

what is your favorite song

it seems like you've only tried mainstream wireless stuff so far, which has it's limitations

mainly because the companies made the headphones they made, not because they're wireless

[steel escarp]

Holo Cyan 2 r2r dac has been ordered

[copper kelp]

Thank you il look into them

[copper kelp]

Very hard to pick

But i guess most days its instant crush by daft punk

[nova frost]

https://www.techpowerup.com/324910/now-you-can-plug-an-xlr-microphone-into-elgatos-stream-deck

[tiny robin]

Anyone here know what type of cassette this is?

[lean grove]

Looks like an 8-track

[tiny robin]

Thanks

[still gull]

Why the crap they boost at 100hz and not 40 or at least 60?

[warm scarab]

i mean you bought really shit ones

soundcore space is a joke

xm5 is "alright" at most

mind who posts the reviews as opposed to the reviews

it says more about the standards of the reviewer than the item's abilities

[primal fulcrum]

Sony XM5 as in Over the Head XM5 or in-er XM5?
Cable or SBC bluetooth connection while having a phone call?

[sleek lily]

thats just how the 500 series driver acts

got it to beatsheiser instead of skullheiser for fun

in theory should have a similar stage and imaging once my ear infection goes away to 620

cause I removed the front and rear damping paper and plastic bit

and got front and rear capacity to be similar

rear damping might actually be better cause I got the capacity by damping an empty cup that was slightly larger with foam until capacity was similar for rear vent area as opposed to just having a smaller rear vent that isnt well damped and is a reflections magnet

[jovial robin]

thing: exists
gen z: creates niche micro-genre specifically for it

[haughty girder]

How did you manage to reply to a week old message

[lean grove]

we'll find out in aproximately 7 days

[boreal lark]

Yo guys I found the Razer barracuda x 2022 for only 50 bucks. Is it worth it?

[warm scarab]

no

[boreal lark]

Why not

[warm scarab]

because its bad?

i wouldn't buy it if it was 20$ first hand

aside for reselling maybe

[boreal lark]

Yeah like what's bad ABT it

[warm scarab]

the sound?

its a headphone there isn't much to complain about really

generic wireless gamer headset

[boreal lark]

Yeah I know it's a headphone I mean is the sound bad or smth

[warm scarab]

yeah

buy like a 2nd hand cloud 2 instead

[boreal lark]

Hm ok I'll see

[boreal lark]

Yeah I might stick to the barracuda

[sleek lily]

Anyone know where I can buy hd620s ear pads?

They are thicker than hd569 ear pads and I want to test the affect of front air volume on the driver while maintaining a seal

[warm scarab]

🚮

[boreal lark]

So what

[sleek lily]

@boreal lark for $50 you can probably get some nice vintage sennheisers

That's what I paid for my hd535

Roughly

You could also probably get an ovation 2

[boreal lark]

Well I am trying to make a wireless setup but yeah I will check them out

The problem tho is that I live in Greece and we don't have Amazon or anything so it's hard to find these brands.

[sleek lily]

Vintage sennheisers are easy ASF to find in Europe

[boreal lark]

I searched everywhere I couldn't find them I only found the earcups

[elder thistle]

I havent tried the barracuda x 2022, only their blackshark v2x

but you're asking the right questions

sound cannot be just good or bad

[boreal lark]

Trie

True

[sleek lily]

Added damping behind he6seV2 similar to he6 and it fixed 2khz drop

[elder thistle]

interesting

I wouldn't have guessed that could affect 2k

[sleek lily]

Also added the front damping quarter square

[daring pilot]

if your getting a generic gaming headset get hyperx alphas

wired

highly recommend saving your money and getting the 770 pro x’s tho for 200 bucks.

[lean grove]

You're the wrong goose

Too few O's

[steel escarp]

ferrum oor + hypsos was a very expensive mistake

[lean grove]

How will you ever recover from this

[unique wind]

[lean grove]

https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ascilab-speakers-are-about-to-launch.54794/post-1989626

Gimme one reason why this won't be my next speaker

[unique wind]

they look good and measure good

[lean grove]

That's what I thought, bucko

[steel escarp]

I don't like passive radiators, I think front ported is better

some goofy stuff is going to happen when placing them close to a wall

[lean grove]

Same with ports but that's why there's the purifi version

[steel escarp]

are they small?

[lean grove]

No

[steel escarp]

then why does it have radiators...

[unique wind]

i prefer sealed speakers and subs but if a port is done well then its okay

but almost all speakers have terrible port implementations

[lean grove]

Because the port you'd otherwise need would either be massive or have chuffing at higher volumes

With these purifi woofers it would have to be something like a meter long

[steel escarp]

I guess for ascetics its not too bad

[lean grove]

Something tells me ascetics aren't gonna be buying these

[unique wind]

for aesthetics i love the walnut klipsch nines

[lean grove]

Meh.

They look pretty boring compared to other Klipsch heritage stuff

They're not immediately recognizable as speakers

[steel escarp]

I love these more for looks

[unique wind]

the custom cornwalls that andrew robinson has are the prettiest klipsch speakers

[steel escarp]

focals

[lean grove]

What's custom about them

[unique wind]

just the finish

[steel escarp]

looks like some old speakers you'd find at a garage sale

[unique wind]

i think they look more interesting than white or black boxes

im not sure what id pick for prettiest speaker ever

[steel escarp]

man, the internals on this DAC look so great

its a piece of art in and of itself

[unique wind]

that does look pretty nice

[steel escarp]

it has to be really fun to design a layout like that

[lean grove]

Is that the cyan

[steel escarp]

yes

[lean grove]

Yeah holo for some reason is real damn pretty on the inside

[unique wind]

the internals of the topping d70 pro are boring

[lean grove]

Practically a dongle with a switching power supply

[unique wind]

works

i wonder how much it costs to produce

[sleek lily]

Depending on bulk they produce it at, probably less than $30-100

That's most things in hifi

Massive profit margins

Susvara could probably be dropped to $100 overnight and still be profitable if hifiman upped the production quantity

[elder thistle]

wasnt there a thing a while ago that said an hd800 cost $240ish to make

then again

its possible to pretty much buy an m50x for $30

with the clones

[boreal peak]

Is beyerdynamic DT 770 any good?

[buoyant vale]

[boreal peak]

Guess it’s not?

[boreal peak]

Thanks for the help.. not

[elder thistle]

just saying it's not that black and white

it can at least have massive soundstage for a closed back

[boreal peak]

Fair

[sleek lily]

Its cost is basically a couple pennies for the metal bar, like less than $1 per pad between the plastic and velour and foam, maybe $10 in plastic at most (only reason I even say that much is it uses some odd glass infused plastic if I'm not mistaken and idk how much it costs to make), and like 10 cents for the baffle and maybe another $5-10 in materials for the drivers.

[steel escarp]

don't forget its really expensive to get the manufacturing set up

[supple robin]

no

its highs are too much

could be piercing for some

[steel escarp]

dt700 pro x is pretty good

[sleek lily]

R&d for that headphones been more than paid off

[molten lotus]

Any good headphones for less than 100 or right on 100 USD?

[lean grove]

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-KSC75-Portable-Stereophone-Headphones/dp/B0006B486K/
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-Porta-Headphones-Black-Silver/dp/B00001P4ZH/

[molten lotus]

I mean like over the ear ones

[lean grove]

oh. not really many good over-ear headphones at or under $100

on-ear or in-ear are much cheaper to produce so they're usually what i recommend under $200

[molten lotus]

Ok Ty ty

What about wireless?

[molten lotus]

Wait did I type 200 I'm silly

[lean grove]

actually wait is this for like, desktop/gaming or is this for on the go mobile

[molten lotus]

The former

General tasks too

Sorry for the late reply

[lean grove]

oh no you typed $100 but im just saying that my recommendation stays the same for anything under $200.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOXCEsTyv7s

this guy is pretty trustworthy in terms of his recommendations. i would suggest you skipe through and see what peaks your interest

[molten lotus]

Ty ty very much mate appreciate it

[sleek lily]

@molten lotus https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he560-v4.html

If you end up being able to pay a little more I recommend these. The deva is also right on $99 rn

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/deva-wired-refurbished-895.html

But the he560v4 is a huge step up from the deva imo

Except in stage

Deva is surprisingly wide

Not that he560 isn't wide, just deva is wider

[sleek lily]

Hifimans been filling that space with some semi competent cans imo

But besides them yea, most other sub $100 hifi cans are actual incompetent design

[molten lotus]

Hey are these good?

https://sellout.woot.com/offers/new-skullcandy-crusher-evo-bluetooth-wireless-headphones-9?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=CJ&cjevent=30bc58a34c3f11ef802d00680a1cb826&utm_source=Digital+Trends

[lean grove]

if you only care about having massive amounts of bass, they're the best.

[molten lotus]

Ok

[sleek lily]

I've never heard a skull candy that's good

[tender frost]

Absolutely not

[warm scarab]

no lol

[molten lotus]

Good for general tasks?

[molten lotus]

Why not?

[warm scarab]

its a joke headphone

meme for when you want to blow people's ears out with bass

[molten lotus]

Wait so should be returned?

[warm scarab]

you bought it?

[molten lotus]

If ordered

[warm scarab]

lmfao

[molten lotus]

I'm Tryna help a friend find a good headphone pair for general tasks and they went nvm I ordered these

[warm scarab]

you really "helped" him out there

[molten lotus]

I didn't recommend them

[warm scarab]

out of the pan into a volcano

[molten lotus]

I just asked if the old pair had broken yet

And they were like I ordered these

[warm scarab]

they are just funny headphones with a bass slider to have it rumble a lot with dedicated subs/shakers

at the cost of distorting everything else

[molten lotus]

Ah

If you keep the bass low you'll be fine?

[warm scarab]

no its shit regardless

bass just makes it even more unlistenable

which in this context may not be a bad thing

[unique wind]

people say theyre ridiciulous and fun with extremely bass boosted gym playlist music

id like to try them but i dont actually want to pay for them

[warm scarab]

you could listen to meme edm and harbass with them probably

anything else would prove to be difficult

[haughty girder]

they're not comfy