audio-tech

[steel escarp]

something like this

yes

[broken mica]

u a life saver

time to cable manage

[steel escarp]

you can plug your headphones into your interface instead of pc

[broken mica]

wireless

[steel escarp]

please watch some youtube videos on how an interface works 💯

[broken mica]

:5head:

[lean grove]

It depends. There's passive speakers which need an amplifier to work. It's gonna be a bit harder to set up, but they're gonna be easiest to upgrade in the future.

And there's active or powered speakers which just need an audio signal, but they need to be plugged into a wall. They offer more bang for buck generally.

Some active speakers are pretty all-in-one like edifier speakers or vanatoo. Some are meant to just take in an audio signal and need some adapters to work with a TV or computer. Or you can get something more sophisticated that can do streaming, room correction, yada yada yada

[steel escarp]

glad I could be of help at least

[broken mica]

🫡

[warm scarab]

-should i go with a soundbar or bookshelf speakers?
soundbars will always do significantly worse than any appropriately priced speaker in their price bracket

-should i have dolby atmos
if you mean an actual dolby atmos setup which takes extensive renovation, treatment of your room and, a ton of DIY unless you want to pay like a minimum of 2000$ then its not a bad idea

-should I have more than 2 audio chanels (like 5.1 or 7.1?)
if you want to listen to music, stereo is what you definitely want or 2.1, if you want to play videogames and watch movies, surround is what you want, prioritize which you want but keep in mind good surround is far more expensive than stereo since you are splitting your budget to 5 different speakers at minimum

[wispy roost]

I see, that makes sense..

sounds lovely

yeah, that makes sense... I'll probably go with a 2.1 setup
Do you think I can add more speakers per channel? I want the sound to be comming from all directions (and upwards too) so I have a nice atmosphere in my room.
Thanks!

[warm scarab]

well 2.1 means 2 speaker 1 subwoofer so it wouldn't be that if you added anymore

[wispy roost]

I see.. These active speakers have a central hub or how would they connect? And can I add other speakers too?
Oh alright. I presume you'd need hardware that can do that.. Which is why I guess passive speakers would be better..

[warm scarab]

semantics aside, adding more speakers to a stereo setup is generally detrimental to your sound quality

[wispy roost]

right, but I mean like speakers, not channels yk?

[warm scarab]

you would just be echoing the same sound from another direction

[wispy roost]

oh.. I never thought of that..

[warm scarab]

channels are what your computer outputs

[wispy roost]

yep

[warm scarab]

by default 99.9% of recordings are stereo

left and right

there are exceptions to this which are movies, games and surround music tracks that are mastered in dolby atmos studios

so for music listening you really wouldn't want something not stereo, the receiver of your surround system would just do "guessing" and output sounds coming from a channel with an algorithm which you can guess isn't a very good solution

[warm scarab]

active speakers you just connect to a power socket and a stereo input

passive speakers you connect to an amplifier and the amplifier to a computer

[wispy roost]

yeah.. I assume there might be special software that could help with this but I get your point

[warm scarab]

well the special software is the surround chip in the receiver

[wispy roost]

so they work in pairs only

[warm scarab]

not necessarily

but since with surround you need to connect everything to 1 unit generally it doesn't make sense to make them active

since you can make that 1 unit an amplifier

[wispy roost]

yeah..

right

so passive are more cost effective?

[warm scarab]

nah amplifiers are expensive

[wispy roost]

and upgradeble

[warm scarab]

upgradeable yes

[wispy roost]

but the speakers themselfs?

also Im thinking of buying second hand, atleast the amp.. is that a good idea?

[warm scarab]

speakers are cheaper but the combined cost of passives and an amplifier for a one time purchase is generally greater than buying a pair of actives

[warm scarab]

yes and no

[wispy roost]

why not?

[warm scarab]

vintage amplifiers can be absolute bang for bucks

issue is 95% of them are pretty trash

[wispy roost]

right...

[warm scarab]

so you need to know what you are looking for

[wispy roost]

what about newer amps on facebook marketplace?

[wispy roost]

for exmaple*

[warm scarab]

i think you shoud just get an active pair and be done unless there is a reason you want an amplifier

close the deal with a 300$ stereo system

[wispy roost]

I see

do you think those would be enough to fill a room with sound though?

[warm scarab]

either of what you proposed aren't inherently terrible ideas but i think its better to avoid falling into possible potholes

[warm scarab]

yeah absolutely

[wispy roost]

rn I have a soundbar and two extrernal speakers and they do a pretty good job of that..

[warm scarab]

i think you are biased against the performance of 2 bookshelves due to having a soundbar attached directly onto a wall

[wispy roost]

correct

[wispy roost]

most likely 🥹

[warm scarab]

2 well placed decent speakers will sound very good and have a 3d feeling you like

[wispy roost]

problem is I dont really have anywhere to put them..

[warm scarab]

surround is of course better at this when it comes to the context of movies but decent stereo can also provide it

[warm scarab]

speaker stands?

[wispy roost]

my room isnt that big.. and the tv console is well below my listening position

[wispy roost]

yeah, or straight into the wall I suppose

[warm scarab]

no dont do straight into the wall

terrible idea

[wispy roost]

oh

why though?

[warm scarab]

thats the reason why you have no 3d stage

sound is omnidirectional

it doesn't only come from the front of the speaker

[wispy roost]

right

[warm scarab]

it bounces to the wall and bounces back to the speaker and you

[unique wind]

your views are outdated

[lean grove]

It depends. Some active speakers meant for pro audio just take in an audio signal. So you can potentially stick an aux cable into the back, or a sophisticated 10 channel processor, or whatever. You just need the right cable and adapter.

Others like the vanatoos have a "master and slave" arrangement where the "hub" is built inside one of the speakers and it just sends the power to the other speaker.

[unique wind]

there are soundbars that are very good and can’t be beat by equivalently priced speaker+ receiver setups

[wispy roost]

wait now I want to try and take it off the wall 😂

[warm scarab]

like

[wispy roost]

would like to know

[warm scarab]

i mean a sound bar is a soundbar man

[wispy roost]

yeah, its not gonna do much

but im curios now

ive always had it on the wall

[unique wind]

samsung hw-q990c is discounted nowadays because the newer q990d is out

i see it for around $1029

[warm scarab]

shut up bro

[unique wind]

you’re not beating that with speakers, sub, and a receiver for the same price

[wispy roost]

oh right, i've seen this before

but what about bass?

[warm scarab]

lol, lmao even

i can beat them with 100$ edifiers and room eq

[wispy roost]

thats what i was looking at before comming here

[warm scarab]

not even good bait

[molten lotus]

thats not nicee

[unique wind]

it’s not bait

the hw-q990c/d are excellent

[lean grove]

What about it

[warm scarab]

they are nice yeah

but they are absolutely not what you described

[wispy roost]

well I presume I'd need a subwoofer

[warm scarab]

you said they can't be beaten by speakers below 1000$

that is absolute bs

[wispy roost]

actualy I think some active setups have subs right?

[unique wind]

it’s not bs

[warm scarab]

complete bs

[unique wind]

you’re not beating a q990c in terms of tonal balance and surround sound effect by buying new speakers and a receiver for the same price

it’s just not happening man

[warm scarab]

you can

yamaha as301 for 400$

genelecs for 300$ ish

[wispy roost]

I've seen it for 800$

[warm scarab]

and you have a significantly better system

[unique wind]

$800 for the q990c is a fantastic deal

[warm scarab]

and these are not even good price performance deals

as301 is overpriced af

you could just get active genelecs for 300$

or jbls

or a speaker amp for like 200$ new

[lean grove]

Depends. "Need" is a strong term. Tiny speakers "need" a subwoofer because they really can't play any bass without shitting their pants or doing something funny with EQ. Sound bars are small speakers.

But medium sized bookshelves can extend pretty well to 60-80hz which will be enough for most stuff. Will not give you window shaking rumble that a real subwoofer will, but I think you'd be surprised what a decent pair of bookshelf speakers can put out.

[warm scarab]

just try them

buy a sub if it doesn't deliver the bass you want

[unique wind]

show me a full dolby atmos setup with 20Hz-20KHz target compliance using new speakers and a new receiver for $800 klaus

[wispy roost]

i mean id rather get a soundbar with everything built in for 800$ than spending the same ammount for a bit of performance and a lot of headache idk..

[warm scarab]

dolby atmos

why would i want a dolby atmos setup

[unique wind]

show me one

[wispy roost]

correct

[unique wind]

you’re moving the goalpost

[warm scarab]

no you are

you never said dolby atmos

and why would anyone need dolby atmos

or want it

so you can listen to every dolby atmos mastered track

the whole 10 of them?

[lean grove]

Then listen to Michael. He's poor and can't afford good speakers but he likes reading reviews and is generally more often right than wrong

[unique wind]

he’s looking at a dolby atmos surround soundbar for movies and you’re telling him to buy a pair of speakers as if that’s an equivalent

[warm scarab]

my tv speakers have dolby atmos certification

so that's 1 win for me

[wispy roost]

I live in a flat.. so i dont even want anything like that.. my soundbar sounds like a mid range tv without a sub so yeah..

[unique wind]

then going ad hominem and moving the goalpost instead of actually giving a counter argument when i call you out

[warm scarab]

my laptop speakers are also made for bno

[unique wind]

don’t waste your time with this guy green he’s a nut job

[warm scarab]

which are also atmos audio certified

[lean grove]

Klaus on the other hand is a Belarusian AI meant to spread disinformation about political issues and he comes in here to make sure people don't get suspicious

[warm scarab]

that's not ad hominem you never mentioned atmos before

and like i said before you can find so many atmos certified garbage out there

the label doesn't mattter

[unique wind]

if your goal is an affordable and well balanced surround sound experience then you’re not beating a discounted price q990c

[warm scarab]

my tv which you recommended me has dolby atmos audio michael

[wispy roost]

😂😂

[unique wind]

even if you just care about stereo the q990c is full range and nearly perfectly target compliant for that too

[warm scarab]

man it would be crazy if dolby atmos labeled every item atmos certified when they get paid

[unique wind]

your views on soundbars are outdated and you’re obstinate

[warm scarab]

you could just pay 100$ for a umik-1 mic that was measured in an anechoic chamber per unit with a customized profile

and buy any 200$ speaker

wow room eq setup

[wispy roost]

and also it comes with two external speakers and i think it has like what... 9 channels or smth idk?

it's like 9.1.2

[unique wind]

the q990c is 11.1.4 and does excellent room calibration for you

[wispy roost]

or 11

yep

i've heard

[unique wind]

you’re not getting a better surround sound experience for $800 with all new speakers and a receiver

it’s not possible

[warm scarab]

michael room eq mics cost 30$ passive

and 100$ usb

and 8$ for ones you can plug into your phone

its not rocket science its been a thing since 1980

https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-iMM-6-Calibrated-Measurement/dp/B00ADR2B84

[unique wind]

until you post compliant measurements of a comparatively priced atmos speaker and receiver setup your argument is invalid

[warm scarab]

https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-iMM-6C-Calibrated-Measurement/dp/B0CMV914QV

[warm scarab]

likewise?

i can measure my room if you want lmao

[molten lotus]

holy yappers

[wispy roost]

frfr

[warm scarab]

there you go man

14 separate measurements of my speakers made in the soviet era

[unique wind]

yeah show me your atmos setup please

[warm scarab]

in close proximity

without room eq

[unique wind]

with measurements

[warm scarab]

its not an atmos setup

michael i dont want atmos

its a shit gimmick

[unique wind]

all you’ve ever posted are some garbage soviet speakers that you didn’t even like using because your room and placement sucked

[warm scarab]

i like using them with room eq

i dont like using them without room eq

they are floorstander speakers used in close proximity why would i ever tolerate using these without room eq

also cope knowing these ancient speakers do better than your 800$ meme bar

[unique wind]

they don’t

[warm scarab]

why dont you provide measurements for that :^)

like I did

ez harman house target with this 1 simple trick

[elder thistle]

you can just eq them and turn them into a chu 2!

[warm scarab]

see jackson gets it

[elder thistle]

ye room eq can clean things up under the right circumstances, but it won't really make a bad speaker good

[warm scarab]

yeah but it can make any mediocre speaker exponentially good

[unique wind]

congrats you used massive speakers and a measurement microphone to accomplish less consistent compliance and worse dynamics

[warm scarab]

but michael that measurement you posted is less on target than mine

lmao

also the dynamics argument is a strawman

[unique wind]

now where are your surround measurements?

[warm scarab]

but michael thats still less on target than my speakers

[unique wind]

it’s not

[warm scarab]

also that doesn't use the harman in room target

[unique wind]

and where is your atmos surround solution at a comparable price

that was the original goal

you’ve tried to move away from numerous times

[warm scarab]

michael find one instance where I said anything about finding an atmos surround speaker

[unique wind]

this person came into chat asking for a solution that would work both for music and for 3d audio in games and movies

you told them to buy a pair of bookshelf speakers

[warm scarab]

I told them to buy stereo speakers because music isn't mastered in surround format

since you can get good stereo speakers for 140$

whereas you proposed a 800$ solution

[unique wind]

holy fucking shit

[warm scarab]

spatialization isn't exclusive to surround

[unique wind]

[warm scarab]

holy shit louis

surround

nyehehehe

[lean grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1249058822648107048/c5b.gif

[warm scarab]

mfw people dont live in anechoic chambers

[unique wind]

guy: i want something that works well for stereo music and can give me 3d audio for games and movies too, my space is limited but i can fit a soundbar with small rear surrounds

klaus: buy a pair of bookshelf speakers

me: that’s not a replacement for a great soundbar the q990c

klaus: NUH UH IDIOT SHUT UP

shits so funny

[warm scarab]

he depicted me as the soyjak

its so over

"there are soundbars that are very good and can’t be beat by equivalently priced speaker+ receiver setups"

we are totally not shifting goalposts

[unique wind]

you have yet to show me an $800 atmos surround setup

[warm scarab]

my laptop from 2011

its atmos certified

https://e-catalog.com/list/298/pr-43623/

why not get a laptop

[unique wind]

yeah okay keep dodging

gg

i win

[warm scarab]

its atmos certified + you can play games on it

riddle me this

800$ soundbar:
-dolby atmos sound

apple macbook pro 13:
-dolby atmos sound
-computer

why would i ever pick the prior

[livid ruin]

whar going on

[unique wind]

whattup big dog

[livid ruin]

hi hi

[unique wind]

[uneven escarp]

its just now occured to me that my headphones are a bit more than 1/4 as much as i paid for my pc

i paid $800 for my pc and my headphones are audio technica ath-ws1100 lol

[elder thistle]

nothing wrong with that

imo people should spend the same amount on audio as they do for their screens

something is wrong when there's a $300 monitor and $30 headset

[smoky ember]

Peripherals are just as important as the PC 🙂

[elder thistle]

yes

the pc is only as good as you can access it

[smoky ember]

Yeah imagine some garbage 1080p 60hz monitor and some generic $30 headset with a 7800x3d + 4090 rig

[elder thistle]

f

[uneven escarp]

i have an $800 pc, a $100 speaker system for it, $230 headphones and a $100 monitor because 27" 1080 60 is good enough 4 me

[smoky ember]

Next upgrade is def the monitor imo

[uneven escarp]

i agree too but

its hard to find monitors with legacy ports

[smoky ember]

It's not a bad budget distribution though

My audio setup is close to what my entire PC's market price is rn I think

[uneven escarp]

my actual pc is hdmi but i like to use older computers that have dvi and vga

[elder thistle]

mine's a 32" 1440p60 dell va lol

great colors and such, can't see the pixels from here

but it smears

boy does it smear

[smoky ember]

Really nice contrast though

[elder thistle]

yes

[uneven escarp]

i have a logitech x240 woofer from like 08 and cambridge soundworks tweeters from who knows

[elder thistle]

I don't think I can justify replacing it yet. I'm also pretty used to the smearing by now

gave me headaches for 2 months

that was almost 5 years ago though

[uneven escarp]

i should just get the dumb dell 8k 60 monitor lol

rx 6600 can totallllllllly drive it

[smoky ember]

Nahh LG DualUp

2560x2880 😂

[uneven escarp]

that is such a weird resolution lol

[smoky ember]

As the name suggests, it's quite literally just double the size vertically

[uneven escarp]

oh it looks like that

nvm\

i found a pic of it lmao

interesting concept tho

[smoky ember]

Great if you want all that vertical space

[uneven escarp]

if you can picture a generic 27" monitor youd find in an office, thats what i got

[smoky ember]

Yo that is actually horrible

[elder thistle]

its,

[smoky ember]

I'm getting a migraine just watching

[elder thistle]

yes

with dark colors and movement ow

the stars literally disappear when the mouse moves

[uneven escarp]

lol

[livid ruin]

me

[lean grove]

I think I've spent maybe two to three times on audio as I have my PC

[warm scarab]

converters?

[warm scarab]

two times for me

[blissful garden]

guys whats the best headphone (wireless) for around $50?

[steel escarp]

[livid ruin]

jbl 710bt

[glacial hare]

Should i get the Moondrop or Skullcandy Dime 3 or the CMF buds pro 2 when they release?

Moondrop wonderful design, weaker battery, not sure about functionality i wont use ANC a lot tho

Dime 3: has a good RTINGS rating, Tile built in (i use tile trackers)

cmf buds pro 2: buds pro 1 has good ratings, functionality with the dial? ecosystem (np 1 & watch pro 2), wont use anc much

[steel escarp]

at this point can't we just make an ai that answers all the audio related problems

[lean grove]

Yes. Discord is a veritable treasure trove of training data but it's against TOS to use it.

But there's way too much garbage advice out there so you'd need to clean up the dataset pretty hard.

[warm scarab]

not if discord sells it

[lean grove]

Against their TOS too

They can only use it for internal purposes

Which, as it so happens, partial owners and investors qualify as

O you cant buy it. But you can buy discord.

[warm scarab]

on my way to become a 0.00001% shareholder of discord

[reef wagon]

This poor mic. 😥

[crisp moat]

Finally got the speaker stands powder coated, much better than my crappy spray paint job

[white gate]

https://youtu.be/R7NxRFT6FiI

[faint wyvern]

need help picking out a new headset, currently got the Corsair HS80, its on life support rn. I'm looking for decent comfort, good sound quality and a good mic (optional since I don't mind getting a standalone mic). willing to spend up to like £200-220 on the headset. need some recommendations 🙏🏻

[warm scarab]

hd560s and fifine t669

and a cx dongle ig

should total at 220$ maximum

if you want a headset solution then pc38x

[haughty moon]

do you have some replacement suggestion for the akg n700 NC m2 for under 200 cad ideally

or a place where we can find a headband pad for the n700 ?

[warm scarab]

not sure if you can

find a better or equivalent alternative

or a headband

[faint wyvern]

oh word ill check it out

[faint wyvern]

whats this for?

[warm scarab]

guarantee for standard quality audio output

not entirely necessary

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/eOXCEsTyv7s

[worn prawn]

Why do record sound so tinni on my avr vs the YouTube

I had to turn the volume up so much

[lean grove]

are you using the "phono" input on your avr

[worn prawn]

Not sure if it have one

[lean grove]

see if it does

records have an EQ added to them to reduce bass so they can fit more music on the vinyl disk.

and you need something to un-do that EQ to get the bass back.

many record players and AVRs have something built in to automatically undo them

[lean grove]

what model

[worn prawn]

denon avr-s750h

[lean grove]

try that one

[worn prawn]

Did not output any sound

[lean grove]

did you change the input to phono

[worn prawn]

Don't see it on avr

Lol lol found it

[worn prawn]

Yep

[faint wyvern]

🙏🏻

[elder thistle]

the mackie mc450 is only $114 in the u.s right now

I don't know what you want to do specifically with the headset or if you need it for competive games or rather rap music or something

which would all change what headphones make sense

but if you're not afraid of using eq software and haven't had issues in the past with headband comfort, seeing the hd560s under all it's revisions be this expensive...

it's like watching someone buy a $250 dt990 32 ohm instead of a $150 hd6xx

$180 is very uncompetitive pricing for the hd560s

if you want some of the things the hd560s offers or used to offer, a dt880 250 ohm might work but it's still very expensive

[warm scarab]

since when is 6xx 150$

[inland moon]

can someone please help me with a streamlabs issue
[9:09 PM]
im trying to stream valorant but no audio comes out
[9:10 PM]
im losing my mind over it

the actual video game captures and my microphone captures but no game audio

[sinful wasp]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lean grove]

who?

[hollow lantern]

Whats a good headset with a mic built in to buy? price limit 150

[regal matrix]

"i am not your mommy or your therapist" what a bunch of pompous self righteous assholes

[elder thistle]

since when is the mc450 $114

now!!

I deem this a comparable sale to an hd6xx being $114

only difference being what sets of strengths and weaknesses one is willing to settle for

the lower the price, the louder jackson becomes

[uneven escarp]

oh fuck yeah

audio catechnica ATH-WS1100

[elder thistle]

whatarethooose

[faint wyvern]

its mainly for games nun else

[faint wyvern]

I see

[faint wyvern]

this one?

and what do you mean "used to offer" did they cut back its features?

[steel escarp]

There is no reason to get the 250 ohms version

Just get the 32 ohms one

[lean grove]

It handles dumpy output impedances better

[cobalt sparrow]

Sorry for the late reply, i need one for speakers

[lean grove]

There's a ton of really cheap ones out there. I know creative has some that are probably a bit more reputable

But more often than not the people who can afford 5.1 speaker system can afford a better surround sound processor

So the ultra cheap 5.1 soundcards are... In a strange market segment

[cobalt sparrow]

oh no, this is like cheap surround

[faint wyvern]

@elder thistle

[steel escarp]

I think the headphone would benefit from more being used on a source with more output impedance

Below 10 ohms is fine

[elder thistle]

there is a large overall difference across ohms versions with an idealized source

[elder thistle]

that would be the one yes

I think the dt880 is more generalized when it comes to gaming because of it's wider soundstage, just decently precise imaging, and medium instrument separation

like for story or singleplayer games with lots of soundscapes and ambience, dt880 can do a lot with those sounds to make them realistic, airy, spacious

for competitive games it isnt one of my first choices but its still usually pretty useful

hd560s has had a lot of revisions and no longer sounds the way reviews say it does

the short version is it sounds like the pc38x with similar bass mids and high treble, worse (loud, smeary) lower treble, and more dynamic and detailed high mids

[livid ruin]

yeah, they fucked the hd560s

[elder thistle]

the story gets worse if you have to replace the earpads in a couple years

[livid ruin]

get hd560’s used ideally if you find them in a good condition

or if the box doesn’t say it has a 1.8m cable

[elder thistle]

since replacements are hd559 earpads

[livid ruin]

the version with a 3m cable is the good one

[elder thistle]

yes maybe

I'd look for good condition included earpads too

[livid ruin]

L sennheiser for just deleting honor of the hd560s

just another headphone now

[elder thistle]

otherwise its more of an eq phone but still pretty cool after eq

[livid ruin]

I mean, you can eq any headphones

I feel like I should buy pc38x’s and compare them to my modded hd 681’s

i’d like a better headphones too.

in case I like em more

i’ve also wore the hd681’s for so long I find everything muddy now lmao

or too bassy

I did two mods that make them sound colder but less harsh aswell with the paper mod

[elder thistle]

if you distance the paper from the front of the driver using felt or acoustically transparent foam, it will avoid making the bass boomier

[livid ruin]

yeah, one layer is alot less significant hit for the bass than two layers, because there is additional gap with two

my issue is rather the lows are lacking

[faint wyvern]

thats sad

[faint wyvern]

thanks for the input 🙏🏻

[quartz hill]

sen cx plus for 14k
nothing ear for 16k
nothing ear a for 12k
soundcore life p2 for 4k
pixel buds a for 8k
which would be the best bang for the buck?

prime day going on rn

hence the low price

they're all in JPY

[steep frost]

Any good prime deal upgrades for Edifier R1280T ?

[austere delta]

im gonna get new headphones and a mic for prime day, any recommendations?

[ocean grove]

looking to get some new earbuds since my sony xm4's battery decided to give up and its been a while. having a hard time deciding between getting one general pair of earbuds, and getting a cheaper workout pair and then a general use pair. Can anyone give any insights on these? not too familiar with moondrop, but had some friends recommend it having used their other stuff
Solo general pair: Sony WF-1000XM5

Workout pair: soundcore Sport X20 by Anker
Cheaper general pair: Moondrop TWS (golden ages)

[solar talon]

I have a question: so I picked up a pair of Salnotes Zero cuz budget and heard they are good bang for the buck. I do love the sound (especially for the price) but for convenience sake, I am kind of wanting some AirPod Pros 2. How will the sound on the AirPods compare? I heard it often described as ‘decent’

[warm scarab]

id say equivalent

the point of pods 2 like you could guess is the convenience

great call performance

great anc

great battery life

etc

the sound is pretty alright, nothing mindblowing

[solar talon]

Yeah. And I have an iPhone so I assume they work pretty smoothly

[warm scarab]

yeah

tbh "you cant use airpods to the fullest with android" is a bit of a cope but

ios is still smoother sailing

[solar talon]

On sale right now for 168

Sort of tempted

[warm scarab]

you can also buy TWS adapters if you don't care for ANC and call quality

but id recommend pods 2 unless you are into audio

[solar talon]

Yeah I looked into those and they seem to be not great

[warm scarab]

according to who

[solar talon]

Maybe the more expensive ones are

[warm scarab]

they are pretty good

well yea

[solar talon]

Have a specific one?

[warm scarab]

fiio utws3

[solar talon]

Ooh fiio. I like them

[warm scarab]

ill say this before you get mislead by youtube "reviewers"

they don't make anything good but tws adapters

[livid ruin]

any headphone that has better soundstage than the pc38x’s at similar price range

[warm scarab]

they made the btr3 and dankpods reviewed them, that's the entire relevancy of their company apart from tws adapters

[warm scarab]

define pc38x price range

[livid ruin]

$200 ~

[warm scarab]

edition xs B stock should be 230$ ish

if i remember correctly

[livid ruin]

ty

[warm scarab]

but the performance may or may not be lacking without an amplifier

in which case that's closer to 330$

[livid ruin]

btw, how does amp affect sound quality exactly?

[warm scarab]

output impedance matters on planars since their impedance is super low

apart from that planars need more current as opposed to dynamics

or are you asking in terms of sound

[solar talon]

Do they not make the utws3 anymore? A quick search for prices is showing out of stock and stuff. Or is there a specific site?

[warm scarab]

look for utws5 maybe

idk

[livid ruin]

sound ye

[solar talon]

Ah good ole AliExpress has them

[warm scarab]

glory to china

[warm scarab]

really depends

on the amp you have and the headphones you have

[livid ruin]

what frequency range it usually affects the most

[warm scarab]

thats not a real question

there are people who buy more saturated amps which think thats more pleasing to them

[solar talon]

Hmm but at that price. To make my budget IEMs wireless. I unno. I think i might as well go with her AirPods Pro. Though I guess the other is upgradable.

[warm scarab]

there are people who buy apple dongle but with 5W more output power because its objectively correct to them

and there is a lot of pseudoscience in this so you could have any of the following take effect:

[solar talon]

How is the bass on the APP2?

[warm scarab]

soundstage changes
layering changes
frequency response changes especially in bass
changes in resolution which correlate with soundstage and layering

etc etc

generally when a coupling is "poor" it affects several things so you can't just say because x happened y is the result

its more like a b c x asdfdfgdfghfgh happened so we got z now

[livid ruin]

mhmmmmmmm

[warm scarab]

at least when it comes to user interpretation of sound

[warm scarab]

normal

appropriate

[solar talon]

Okay. Hard to get objective reviews from quick googling and haven’t had time to read up a ton. A lot of the people who say it’s bad seem to be ‘bass heads’ or whatever. As long as it’s not anemic :p hmm so tempting

If camel is still a good source it seems the price is pretty good at $169

[warm scarab]

its a decent price

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab @lean grove, just learnt this today, dont recommend the cheap behringer interface for 50 bucks, its noisy, instead recommend the m-track solo

[warm scarab]

user error

[restive wyvern]

Guys important question. Was it Monsoon Audio that Linus lamented not choosing over Creative back before he started LTT?

[warm scarab]

not sure if any regulars here watches linus

[plush chasm]

any recommendations for a good set of speakers for my living room? should work with my tv (samsung s95b) and should also play music from my phone.

Id have space for speakers in 3 corners of the room - and if possible speakers should have a stand

[tawdry gale]

Budget?

[plush chasm]

should be less than 1000€

[supple robin]

My thoughts on Space Travel TWS by Moondrop:

• Active Noise Cancelling cancels out cars and background noise well for the price. I am impressed.
• Sound is good. It feels like everything their and its enjoyable enough. Maybe not enough bass for me but I could try other tips, it does feel compressed I think but as someone who uses Buds 2 Pro, I like these.
• Fit worked for me, doesn't feel the best for my ears could get irritated after a bit but a walk to Tesco they were fine for my ears, didn't fall out.
• Touch controls are alright, I like the voice it makes when you select an option like ANC for example some cute anime voice whispers sleep which is cute. The touch controls require you to tap and hold them at the top to change the mode which sometimes may cause the music to not continue play or will. You tap once their to play and pause. Not terrible, not sure if they have any others but they simple enough, I never used touch controls on my Buds 2 Pro, I should do now because I don't got an app for it considering I'm on iPhone now and not Android.
• Case just works, no flap on it or a cover for the buds, it's just a drop in and you take them out to start pairing, nothing fancy it works.
  Keep in mind this was tried out on an iPhone not Android with both Spotify and YouTube Music. Both of which are premium subscriptions on highest quality iirc.

[warm scarab]

yea the anc on those things is shockingly good for the price

[sleek lily]

I can hifi stereo now

[sleek lily]

For anyone interested I managed to swap baffles on my hd580 maintaining the driver and pads and rear cover in order to measure the change the metal baffle as as opposed to the black silk baffle

Red is black silk and blue is metal mesh

Metal consistently measured higher distortion except in highs. The distortion measurements shown are the best case I got for both sets

[elder thistle]

how's the instrument separation on the dt700 pro x vs an hd600 or 650/6xx

I'm not finding a single comparison for this online so far

more specifically, the kind of instrument separation in something like metal music or where soundstage can't help much

[sleek lily]

@elder thistle are you looking for something that's good at imaging?

If so what's the budget

[livid ruin]

I put paper over my hd681's and my soundstage improved

cough

how does that work

[elder thistle]

no, but I will eventually buy the dt700 pro x

the real question is how soon and how much do I stretch my wallet

the problem is that 2 old written reviews of the mc450 point to the dt700 pro x as something that retains all of the midrange and treble detail but adds better bass performance

and that I can't make this comparison right now

by instrument separation, I mean how many sounds can you layer together until it all sounds like crap and you can't track the detail behavior of several instruments

soundstage and placement within it can help, but honestly it's not as relevant

fast drivers, resolving, etc etc.

I need that for the 700 pro x vs hd600 or similar

[tender oar]

Does anyone know of a good budget Monitor Speaker for 30-40$?

[sleek lily]

This is by far the prettiest headphone

[livid ruin]

any alternative to virtual sound stage v2?

[sleek lily]

Don't use a digital stage program

Just buy an actually wide headphone

[livid ruin]

i’d like to play with some instruments and create some music for myself

tho

also, which headphone would you recommend for soundstage?

[sleek lily]

Depends on budget tbh

Without a budget akg k1000

As long as you can get one without rattle it's just the best headphone for any form of presentation I've ever heard

Plus it looks amazing

[livid ruin]

under $200 ideally

[sleek lily]

Just get an open box he560v4 on hifiman site

@livid ruin https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he560-v4.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw1920BhA3EiwAJT3lSWEw7IJ61cDAK2YQ4RD3fHxX8JgDnUbuDobnILDzOh4BgvYRzU2FNhoC2SIQAvD_BwE

[livid ruin]

thanks

[lean grove]

Headphone width is a dragon not worth chasing

Its not real and it's not worth the tradeoffs

[livid ruin]

wym

[lean grove]

Soundstage is the idea of headphones sounding wide, right?

Like an actual room with speakers ideally

Or like being in the room where the actual recording is taking place

When people record music with the mic 2 inches from their face, and the headphones are less than an inch from your ear, that's realistically impossible

So soundstage headphones have tricks to play into psychoacoustics

Having a dip in the upper mids. Hoping to interact with your ear more with angled drivers.

But it's like. Artificial sweetener. It's not how it was meant to be recorded or how it was meant to be played. And things suffer. Like you get worse mids, or weird treble. Or it's unable to produce any intimacy at all.

Theres music out there that's recorded with headphones in mind and it sound great on headphones

And weird on speakers.

Most music was recorded with speakers in mind or with nothing specific in mind

That's kind of a hodgepodge of a lot of mini arguments.

[livid ruin]

well, I don’t have room for an actual speaker setup

[lean grove]

Then give up on soundstage. Lean into the headphones being headphones.

[livid ruin]

I just want a headphone recommendation that sounds wide enough without sounding unnatural as possible

[lean grove]

Soundstage is a trick for headphones. and in my opinion the losses you get from performing that trick outweigh the gains.

Then you're gonna be spending lots of money trying to find out what doesn't sound unnatural and you're gonna find out that it doesn't exist at the very end.

[livid ruin]

I do enjoy my hd681’s more than my harman tuned iems despite the weak bass on the hd681’s due to the mods

[lean grove]

If you want soundstage, find recordings that were recorded with soundstage in mind.

[livid ruin]

they all sound compressed compared to them

[livid ruin]

I mean I did and it was like day and night difference when I listened to bunch of vss v2 music

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/5WeYBxFrQpo

[livid ruin]

the imaging was there but, the iems just sound like the music is playing inside my head

more of

[livid ruin]

yeah, if I didn't feel the hd681's whatsoever on my head i'd genuine think this is coming from speaker config

also, how much detail is lost when there's a 1-4k dip?

[lean grove]

Try it and find out.

[livid ruin]

I haven't done alot of eq personally, but comparing my iems to the hd681's I hear the same amount of detail

obviously some details are louder, but, I don't hear more of them

in some songs I hear more detail actually because the bass doesn't overpower everything, but that would be unfair comparison

[lean grove]

Why do you think the bass becomes cleaner when you reduce 1-4k

Oh nevermind you're just comparing 681 vs Harman iems

[livid ruin]

anyways, any wide headphones you'd personally use?

[lean grove]

I have some hd800s and akg k1000s

K1000s are not worth the trouble

[livid ruin]

also, that song you sent me for some reason reminds me of the frisbee game

frisbee forever? iirc

[lean grove]

Hd800 I take out every once in a while for gaming

[livid ruin]

any under $200 you'd personally use?

[lean grove]

Hd6xx

Not a soundstage meme but it's better than any soundstage meme I've tried

Which is most of them.

[livid ruin]

why meme?

what about old hd560s?

what do you think of those

[lean grove]

Haven't tried them.

[livid ruin]

oh

[sleek lily]

Current scientific census on how the ears process distance is it comes from ITD and ILD. There currently isn't any reason to think it has to do with frequency response

Also he560v4 is all round good for its price

There isn't any trade off

[lean grove]

Hey there's people around here who might not know what itd and ild are

You should use the full term in case there's people who might be confused by niche acronyms

[livid ruin]

m e

[sleek lily]

In other words it's from time delay or difference in volume of the given sound between the two ears

There are some other aspects that can apply more so in games too

It for music it's mainly those

[lean grove]

That's impossible with headphones then

Unless you're doing crossfeed

[sleek lily]

Cause the other aspects have to do mainly with head movement and such

[livid ruin]

yeah, isn't perceiving sound just frequencies and delay, L, R? how it ends up in your inner ear canal

[sleek lily]

ILD is mainly in the recording

But also there is variance because headphone drivers aren't linearly efficient

Same with amps and dacs even

[lean grove]

What does that mean linearly efficient

[sleek lily]

1v in vs 2v in on a headphone isnt a doubling in the movement from the magnet

100mv into an amp vs 200mv in won't equal a perfect 2x output relative to each other

[lean grove]

That's because sound volume works logarithmically not linearly

[sleek lily]

And 1 bit high sound into a DAC won't be exactly half the voltage output of a 2 bit high sound

And that change in efficiency as you reach a higher load on each stage changes the ild

[lean grove]

Hey can you use maybe less technical language

What does ild stand for

[livid ruin]

I Love Dac

lmao

[sleek lily]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4744263/

[lean grove]

Like to me this seems like you're using technical language in place of an actual statement. Hoping you're gonna sound more convincing

[sleek lily]

I suggest reading this article if you want a more in depth breakdown

[sleek lily]

The difference in volume between the ears

Inerneural level difference

Itd is the same but with time

I'm using the language used in the article

[lean grove]

Man I'm three drinks in at a bar with 15% left on my phone I ain't reading that

[livid ruin]

will 6xx's sound wider than my hd681's?

or the he560v4's

[lean grove]

Senny 6X0 series are known for being intimate

[sleek lily]

6xx are definitely more on the intimate side

Just get he560v4 open box. It'll be a whole different level of width

And it's a headphone that's easy to hear width on

[lean grove]

But intimacy is just accuracy. If the singer sounds like they're 2 inches from your ear that's because it's the way it was recorded

[sleek lily]

Unlike he6 where it sounds narrow until you actually sit down and deep listen

[sleek lily]

Kinda

The singer should sound about as far as they were from the mic

But accurate presentation usually means most other things will be far

K1000 has one of the best presentations I o in spite of not being too detailed

Imo

It places singers just in front of you like you're the mic

But everything else sounds far usually

Unless it's recorded close

But it's out of his budget

[lean grove]

It kinda sounds like well placed bad speakers.

[livid ruin]

what about hd650's

erm, basicly just hd600's or 6xx's

[lean grove]

No they're different

560s is kinda v shaped.

6xxs are more warm.

[livid ruin]

I thought 560s are neutral

[lean grove]

Neutral is a state of mind

[livid ruin]

anyways, in your opinion is it worth upgrading my hd681's if i'm decently happy with them?

[lean grove]

No

If you like what you have, buy something to make them better

Perfect time for a proper amp and DAC.

[livid ruin]

do I need an amp for them tho? their sensitivity is not under 90db/mw

and dac

[lean grove]

Amps can do more than just supply power.

They can change the sound slightly. Better electrical coupling to the headphone

Better control over the driver.

Occasionally can give a little flavor

Add a bit of warmth, take a bit of edge off.

[livid ruin]

mhmmm

what would better electrical coupling result in?

[lean grove]

Better control over the driver

Lower output impedance

Cleaner bass.

If there's any resonances in the treble maybe less sibilance

[livid ruin]

what's cleaner bass?

uh ._. what does this all mean in terms of frequency response

I mean the warmth is just boost in the low- low-mids

because lower frequencies require more power

?

[lean grove]

It means that the headphone will have a resonant frequency of the driver, typically in the bass or mid bass.

When the headphone naturally vibrates, it really likes to vibrate at this frequency. The efficiency increases in this region.

With a low output impedance, the amplifier actually absorbs the energy in that region.

With a high output impedance, it won't absorb that resonant frequency as well and it will flop around and increase that region anywhere from some to a lot

So with your specific headphones, it will reduce the bass by a bit.

You're probably not at 120 ohms output impedance so it might be closer to a db or less

(not very noticeable)

[livid ruin]

mhmmm

so, do I need one?

account that I'm using velour pads and did the paper mod so, they sound much colder than stock hd681's

[sleek lily]

Idk what paper mod is

[livid ruin]

warcrime

[sleek lily]

Still can't believe I managed to find original pads for these and get them looking so close to new

[sleek lily]

Use felt instead

[livid ruin]

how thick layer

will it dampen treble well?

I tried couple paper towels and I found one of them to be the best

some barely reduce the treble

[sleek lily]

However thick you think sounds best

[livid ruin]

I'll consider

[lean grove]

If you have to ask that, probably not.

But if you like what you have now and you want an improvement, source equipment is the path to take

[livid ruin]

Alr

[sleek lily]

@livid ruin I'd say as a minimum just get a cheap DAC and amp to start off with

Got my fiance a liquid spark and modi multibit and it was pretty good value. Came out to $100 for both combined used

[elder thistle]

strength of the dt880 I would say

if I want big, immersive, airy soundstage, that's the best thing on my desk

[sleek lily]

Idk if I'd call 880 natural but audio is subjective

[elder thistle]

but the edition xs is probably even wider

yes, not what I would call natural in the overall sound

it's the beyer style. maybe "silky"

[sleek lily]

He560v4 was surprisingly natural in timbre

I'd say it was a bit more natural than the newer silver mesh 6x0 but less natural than the black silk versions

Was comparing all these to kinda get a good sense of where it lands

[cerulean token]

looking like im in the market for new headphones for my desktop. havent kept up at all in this space for a while. has it changed at all? are there new things I should look for? I like my scarlett solo but i've noticed its developed some processing issues. Not consistent, happens very little, but my headphones are essentially rotting at this point. Foam is in pieces. It was this niche brand that I found that had an amazong $30 pair of studio headphones that were killer for the price. Can't seem to find it anymore or I would go for those again. Hoping to find some help here in looking for something great sounding with FLAC files but will also last a long time.

[elder thistle]

usually earpads on headphones are replaceable, and there are headband protectors and padded wraps

not always worth it though if its a cheap headphone or something

it's often the case that 3rd party earpads will alter the sound of the headphones

as for popular studio headphones around $30, that could be a lot of them. samson sr850, oneodio a71, one of the m50x clones, one of the m20x clones or at least ones using that chassis

personally I like the m50x clones the most as they can get close to a real m50x, or arguably more analytical with the right earpads

but there's no guarantee that you'll get the m50x sound

because of your hrtf

[sleek lily]

This came out pretty good

Still needs the paint restored but I don't think this thing is worth paint matching

[steel escarp]

I confirmed it with the guy I sold my maxwell too, the driver didn't have wrinkles in them. So basically they were awful even with a working driver.

[sleek lily]

It's a closed back planar

What did you expect lol

[steel escarp]

The treble felt like it didn't exist and exist at the same time

LCD-2 closed was pretty good for a closed back

In terms of sound

Not weight or comfort

[cerulean token]

i was thinking about the m50x but the earpads look like they can flake off. maybe the sr850 would be nice. not a fan of the color choice though. i can get used to it though.

[lean grove]

M50x bad

[sleek lily]

If you have m50x and like it be happy with it but if you don't have it I don't recommend it

[steel escarp]

Comparison is the end of all joy

[cerulean token]

how are these? https://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-Professional-Headphones-Limited-Renewed/dp/B07KWY57MR/ref=rvi_d_sccl_3/135-1935001-9086223?

[steel escarp]

Good comfort, sound is not that good for the price

[cerulean token]

What's your go-to?

[steel escarp]

Deva Pro Wired

There is a wireless version but it's not usable for gaming, too much latency. Also more expensive

[warm scarab]

bad

[warm scarab]

bad

[upbeat kernel]

Does anyone know if the RODE PODMIC works with just a XLR -> USB Cale or do i need an AMP & does said mic have its own mouting system for boom arms or am i good to wack it on any old one?

[lean grove]

1. You can use it with an XLR to USB cable but it's probably gonna suck.
2. It should be compatible but double check on the spec sheet.

[warm scarab]

if you don't have a budget for an audio interface why are you buying a rode podmic

[strange lark]

Thoughts on these?

[lean grove]

Looks like cheap tws made by some nameless company

[haughty girder]

Caiiou or Winnie the pooh core

also looks like any other cheap tws on the market... just not black

[lusty sandal]

i can only hear in one heaphone
its the left one i didnt drop them or anything just went afk and when i came back it happend

i dont know what to do i already tried some yt tutorials and nothing helped

[elder thistle]

that is a major difference in price if you mean the real m50x

sr850 earpads are thin and uncomfortable for most people. my record is 45 minutes but I'm sensitive to that

assuming good hrtf, m50x is lightyears ahead in most attributes, as it should be for 4x the price

the earpads are pleather, but they still last like 5 years or so and there are a lot of good cheap replacements

but like the tunical tnh101 for example. good clone of the same driver, same baffle, same cups, same rear damping setupl but with slight changes in damping

different earpads. better to get 3rd party ones like soulwit m50x pleather or overseas cheap vented velour ones. included earpads come deformed anyways

[sleek lily]

If you're gonna get a m50x and after market pads why not just get something that will be on a different level from what it can achieve even like a he560v4 or a edition xs or even a hd560

[elder thistle]

the tunicals with different earpads is like $35-50

not sure about the hifiman stuff, like the edition xs b-stock is still well over $200 as well as much more prone to issues and needing a decent amp

I'm sure it's at least a tier up in most ways

over normal m50x

as for the hd560s, it's just not as resolving or analytical or even as coherent in the treble as an m50x can be

with the oldest hd560s a decent argument could be made, and I mean it's bringing other stuff to the table like wider soundstage and more precise imaging

[cerulean token]

I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about but I've got options so I'm gonna to look into em

[molten skiff]

what are some good headphones with a stronger bass

currently have 560s

[tawdry gale]

budget?

[molten skiff]

400-500ish

[tawdry gale]

focal elex

[molten skiff]

ok

[chilly cliff]

I have a question

Are there any devices I can use to hook up an AUX input and have it output to my google home app so I can select the speakers and/or zones it plays in?

Say for example I have one of those entry level audio technica turntables with an aux output and I want to hook it up to my nest audios and nest home hub and google home and stuff throughout my place and select the zones it plays on, or the individual speakers or whatever

anybody know how I could accomplish that?

[lean grove]

you can use the bluetooth output to the nest audio. i know you can do it for one speaker, i dont know if you can do it for multiple speakers.

its hidden in the settings pretty well

[chilly cliff]

ahhh

really wishing more stuff still had aux connectors rn lol

[lean grove]

aux doesnt encourage a walled garden of intercompatible officially licensed google products

[chilly cliff]

where's the Nest Turntable

i'll lineup to buy one for this to work LOL

[lean grove]

you want roon

[gloomy cave]

So Samsung tell me yesterday that my Galaxy Buds 3 Pro will be derived today, then this morning, they email to say that due to 'quality control', they may be delayed? Anyone else get this message?

[floral path]

goddmanit

amazon managed to offer something tasty at the very end of the prime days and I couldn't resist

I'm upgrading my xm8500

[supple robin]

for same price could of got an xm8500, cheap boom arm that comes with shock mount and then have two xm8500s and start a podcast that generates you a million dollars a year

gotta have that investment grind mindset anyways i really hope you enjoy the new setup it looks pretty good.

how much did that come to overall? this was mine it came up to 251.16

also wtf said only boomarm was coming todayo oh

ooh

[floral path]

I already have an xm8500 and a cheap shitty boom arm

I wanted to see what all the fuzz around more "pro" mics is about

I can always return it if the quality isn't on-par with the price hike

I'm a nerd, I like playing with tech I don't need xD

[floral path]

€ 202.68 (almost nice )

[supple robin]

yeah but if u get two then u can start podcast

[supple robin]

swag

mines came all works

[floral path]

well wednesday I will have two microphones

Now I only need to find what to podcast about

OH this reminds me, I could use the xm8500 as noise source for precise noise&echo removal in post

[supple robin]

what interface you have?

[warm scarab]

using a turntable with wireless connection is such a counterproductive thing

the entire point of the turntable audio is the fact that its purely analog and sounds unique

you make that into digital

transmit it

make it back to analog

and then play it back

[chilly cliff]

lol the nest turntable thing was a joke

[warm scarab]

no but you are using bluetooth for tranmission no

and for the speaker connections

at that point just go to youtube and search "(song name) vinyl playback"

because that's going to perform better than your own turntable

[chilly cliff]

i wanted to use the aux output from the turntable instead of bluetooth

but that's just one example.

[warm scarab]

yeah but the nest transmits audio wirelessly to the speakers doesn't it?

[chilly cliff]

it's not just for the turntable. I also have people come over and hook up their phones via aux....

it's less about audio quality and moreso about just being able to hook up audio devices to my nest audio system throughout the apartment for ease of use

can't really hard wire speakers throughout the place

[warm scarab]

okay but that's what I am telling you

if you are going to transmit the audio wirelessly at some point anyways

it doesn't make sense to use a turntable

just google vinyl playback on youtube and play that video through the system instead

save yourself like 500$

[chilly cliff]

I already have all the equipment

I'm moving out for the first time and had a turntable prior with a receiver and wired speakers everywhere

can't do that in the new place so i'm just bringing my new stuff

seeing if there's a way to use it even if wireless audio defeats the purpose

[warm scarab]

speakers everywhere?

you used surround with vinyl?

[chilly cliff]

lol

there was a home theater in my moms house, just hooked up the turntable to the receiver and it just played them in stereo or mono or something

even though a 7.1 system was hooked up to it

but in the place I'm moving to, I won't have hardwired speakers or a receiver

but I already own the turntable AND a bunch of google nest audio stuff that I CAN bring with me

so i'm just seeing if there's a way to use my stuff even though it defeats the purpose

[warm scarab]

okay i follow you

if you aren't short on money id honestly spend like 200-300$ for a decent stereo setup

pawn off all the nest stuff

use like an audio switch to swap between whatever input you want

buy a bluetooth receiver for when your buds want to output audio

[chilly cliff]

not a bad idea

[warm scarab]

if its a living room setting and not close quarters there is klipsch promedia stuff that's 2.1

[floral path]

a Komplete Audio 1 and a GoXlr
Which I switch depending on what I'm doing with the mic

[floral path]

I really recommend the Komplete audio 1, great 24bit interface for rather cheap, also probably one of the smallest and best looking imo

LOOK HOW TINY

[lean grove]

I have no idea why they thought those wires were a good idea

[molten skiff]

looking to upgrade from 560s

any suggestions ?

[lean grove]

What don't you like about the 560s

[sleek lily]

Technically that areas supposed to be closed off

I just removed the chain cover to put new foam in of proper spec

[lean grove]

I know Ive done it myself and only noticed those wires after i finished the first cup and moved into the 2nd

[sleek lily]

I'm also replacing the cable with a gladiator cable tonight

A red and black gladiator cable

[molten skiff]

a bit too neutral for my tastes

[lean grove]

What do you think you'd like instead

[molten skiff]

something with a bit of a stronger bass

[lean grove]

You can do that for free via EQ

[sleek lily]

@lean grove the cable I'm putting in my k1000

[still gull]

i found this online, any ody used it or have opinions? https://www.arylic.com/products/s10-wireless-preamplifier

I'm wanting a simple streaming device for my audio rack in my bedroom. I don't want to have to use a TV or monitor to run it.

[lean grove]

I would personally go with the wiim mini just becaseu it has better support and features.
https://www.wiimhome.com/#/wiimmini/overview

but arylic makes decent stuff

[still gull]

Yeah looks cool! I don't need the amp bit because I have this but I'll take a look.

[lean grove]

the wiim mini doesnt have an amp

[still gull]

Ohh ok

I saw the ultra lol my bad

[lean grove]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09HC5GRKY

[still gull]

My main issue has been like I don't want to have to use the app to start playing music on a whim. I don't mind using the app to set it up but after that I want to just use remote and whatever built in screen.

Like there's this ocean thing I've heard of which is fine but it's too pricey.

[lean grove]

well presumably you'd just tell whatever device you're using to play to it and it'll do that

[still gull]

Ocean Digital WiFi Internet Component Radio Tuner (430 mm) WR10 FM/ Ethernet Bluetooth Receiver 2.4" Color Display with Digital Output to Connect Hi-Fi System -Black https://a.co/d/5mmRHO9

[still gull]

I'm wanting it to be a standalone streaming device specifically for audio ig

Oh fun thing I did:
I had the old Logitech 313 system and the amp board went out, so I ripped the amp board out of it, taped the holes, and wired the AC plug directly to the speaker.
Then I cut the AC plug and stripped it and plugged the wires into the left channel of my pyle 60w amp and plugged it into the lfe out of my denon in my room, and so now I have a subwoofer. Fun makeshift thing!

[still gull]

Help! I updated the firmware on my DENON s960h and now my phone skips and plays fast and is awful over Bluetooth. How to fix this? Do I need to downgrade the firmware? (BTW I want Bluetooth to work and am not interested in the networked stuff cause I don't have ability to connect it to network there.)

[willow brook]

What's the best value edifier bookshelf speakers? Budget is 250 usd at the max

[strange ravine]

this looks lit

[still gull]

Yeah it's fun. 1987

I had some realistic minimus 7s with it but the 7s were like 2nd hand times 3 to me so they didn't ever work right. I replaced them with their modern-dsy equivalent with is the Insignia Indoor Outdoor speakers from Best buy. Literally the perfect modern equivalent.

[fluid loom]

Hi there!

I'm on the lookout for a new pair of headphones. I need something adjustable because my head isn't exactly flat—it's more like a ski slope xd, so I don't want the headphones to sit on my forehead. Also, my ears are fairly large, so I prefer headphones that fit well around bigger ears without bending them. I've noticed some headphones that YouTubers often use; are they still good and affordable? Additionally, where can I buy them in the EU?

[tawdry gale]

Asking for advice here? Please fill out this form:

1: Location? Some things may be accessible in other parts of the world more than others, like the US.
2: What is your budget? List what you are comfortable with spending.
3: Do you have any source gear such as amplifiers or DACs?
4: What environments are you using these in? Is it noisy?
5: What other audio equipment have you had, or, more specifically, enjoyed?
6: What genres and types of music do you listen to?
7: Do you want headphones, IEMs, or are you okay with either?

[warm scarab]

please provide your cv and social security number too

[steel escarp]

Unironically dt700 pro x is better than hd620s

I liked it a lot

[strange lark]

Just got these at Meijer on sale.

[sleek lily]

History best looking k1000

[supple robin]

aint no way

$15 bro enjoy those

nvm i thoughtr they were the wireless ones

price still seems good though

[supple robin]

they took open back to a whole new level

[lean grove]

wait until you see the flaps extended

[elfin flume]

Can anyone recommend me a decent bluetooth speaker for under $50

[lean grove]

Ue wonderboom is about $50 right now

I have one. It's pretty good.

[elfin flume]

Which Wonderboom?

[lean grove]

3

[elfin flume]

Cheers

[elder thistle]

do you find the dt700 pro x faster or more resolving than an hd600?

[sleek lily]

Hd620 isn't the same as 600

It's a 500 series driver

I wouldn't use it as a reference for how 600 series driver performs in detail

Although grey probably has used 600 still

So he can probably still answer

But just note that

[elder thistle]

I know, just asking because he tried the 700 pro x

and everyone's tried the hd600

or 650

[gusty spruce]

i got a pair of brand new srh8440s for like 103 pounds

[steel escarp]

I didn't like hd600, sounded veiled to me. As for details. I think dt700 pro x has a slight edge in detail

[elder thistle]

woa

[steel escarp]

Honestly it sounds way more coherent as a headphone as a whole

[elder thistle]

the A's? or non-A

[tender oar]

Anyone know good speakers under 50?

The purpose is for PC btw

[steel escarp]

@tender oar Creative Pebble Plus

[warm scarab]

how much did you pay for these

[gusty spruce]

non a

[elder thistle]

return before it breaks

extremely defective hinges

I've lost my money this way, my friends who had it lost their money this way

the A variants completely do away with that hinge design

not the same headphones though, I think the driver's the same or similar but they're tuned to have more bass

I like my 440a

[sleek lily]

I think like $500 because I got them in terrible condition

[warm scarab]

incredible deal

how was the condition bad

driver damage?

[sleek lily]

Driver was fine for a little bit quickly developed rattle, the cable was falling apart, the pads were nasty, headband was faded, the paint was wearing

Come to find out when I took it apart later the foam was disintegrating and driver glue was eaten away by time

But managed to fix both issues

[warm scarab]

fixing k1000 drivers is a nightmare

like its not a terribly difficult ordeal but holy shit if you fail that's so much money trashed

[warm scarab]

how did you restore the paint and pads

[sleek lily]

It's pretty rugged for a headphone driver

They just are super old

So glue and foam are becoming the weak points

[warm scarab]

thick ass diaphragm as far as estats go no?

[sleek lily]

It's a dynamic driver

But it's a harder plastic than most dynamics will use

[warm scarab]

wait im dumb

[sleek lily]

It's super hard to power though

[warm scarab]

most dudes I know speaker tap it

a lot of headphone amps are not up to the task

[sleek lily]

K1000 with flaps all the way out takes more power than he6seV2 by more of a margin than he6seV2 uses more power than he560v4

[warm scarab]

yeah but why would you want to drive a he6se

:^)

I remember dudes buying different speaker amps because the taps clipped trying to drive k1k lmao

[steel escarp]

is ferrum oor + hypsos for 2k good?

[sleek lily]

It's pretty good if you deep listen

It's definitely over hyped

But it's an entirely different can if you just half way listen

Like casual listening to music while multi tasking or gaming

[warm scarab]

its pretty shit compared to other options

edition xs is like 1/3 the cost

ananda is like half

[sleek lily]

It has this super odd behavior

[warm scarab]

and then there is arya that's around the same cost

[sleek lily]

It can't do staging or image if you're casual listening

But once you close your eyes to deeply listen to it, it has like a hidden stage

Behind the main stage

Which hides a lot of the detail to deep listening

[warm scarab]

planars not having imaging is the norm for me but its odd that a planar does stage poorly

[sleek lily]

But it goes from incredibly Darrow sounding to pretty wide and imaging becomes actually okay

[sleek lily]

Some of the best imaging headphones I've heard were planars. It's just a headphone by headphone basis rather than a driver type level thing

[warm scarab]

yeah but why this over xs, ananda or arya

[warm scarab]

which planar are you talking about for example

[sleek lily]

He560v4 images great, he1000v1 images great, and some of the lower end egg hifimans image great

I still need to try xs

But from the descriptions I've heard idk if it's worth it while he560v4 is so cheap

[warm scarab]

these don't image particularly better than lower end dynamics like dt880

or r70x

r70x imaging is insane

idk though maybe compared to regular dynamics like hd560 and 600 they compare super well though

[shadow stag]

is diy-ing your own speaker actually worth it?

[warm scarab]

yes

[dawn panther]

Does anyone know what this thing is? It was in front of a guitarist at a live concert

[steel escarp]

welp

just got an oor stack

for 2k

good price

[shadow stag]

looks like wireless input transmitter?

[molten lotus]

is this a decent headphone amp

[haughty cairn]

Any Logitech connoisseurs here? Anyone know what difference between the Logitech G Pro X and G Pro X SE? On Amazon, the SE is $30 cheaper than the non-SE version. When I go onto the Logitech G website, the G Pro X SE is listed as one of their products, but there is no link to a product page.

[lean grove]

its okay. something like a fosi ds1 would be better tho

[steel escarp]

the ferrum oor hits like an actual truck and upper mid range is way better pronounced than my violectric

[plain drum]

Hey guys does the Apple dongle help with audio quality?

I heard some ppl use it instead of a DAC but i have no idea im just curious

I heard it has an amp and amp built in

[still gull]

Is fosi good yeah? I seen their stuff on Amazon before and was skeptical I had never heard of them.

[still gull]

Kinda sorta ish

So I have a question for the headphone enthusiasts here. I am a general audio enthusiast and like Harman JBL arcam etc sound. Like the studio 690s on an arcam amp sounds amazing. (I say all this to give you an idea of what my ear likes).

When you talk about things like clarity on Sennheiser 650, I want to know if most emphasis is on treble or do they also have good smooth bass?

I'm someone who hates boomy mid bass, and wants something with punch and rumble but not at the cost of a smooth sound profile. I don't just want crisp highs. (Besides too crisp highs get fatiguing!!!)

I tend to pull down somewhere in the neighborhood of 2k and 100hz to eliminate often present boomy or harsh resonance.

[warm scarab]

Its basically a 8$ solution you buy just in case your built in dac/amp is sub par compared to industry standards

[steel escarp]

Legit if airpods pro 2 had 0 latency via bluetooth I'd sell my entire chain

[elder thistle]

well I have the 6xx and hd600 so I may be able to speak on this.

I would say the 6xx is a very resolving headphone compared to most of the headphones around $150-200. it has quite a high level of detail when looking at just about any area of the sound. the bass has a little extra 200hz, but the actual performance is very tight and controlled, capable of texture, punch, impact when the music calls for it. the texture of cymbals can be heard and appreciated to a decent extent, and I would say the same for the midrange. these headphones also handle lots of overlapping sounds at once pretty well, maintaining most of the clarity of each sound in something like metal music.

The big thing with the 6x0 series headphones though is the dynamics, timbre, and having a stock tonality that people aren't that inclined to EQ. Yes, these are quite good at revealing subtle details, but I wouldn't say it's the best of the best in that area and there's still similarly priced headphones that exceed it's detail retrieval and bass control and such. but the way vocals feel with their volume changes and subtle textures is very intimate, realistic, and musical in a way that generally makes these class-leading headphones. It also applies to string or brass instruments, and generally any instrument or sound that has a very distinct texture that is easy for a given headphone to screw up. So this kind of strength is another popular way that people define "detail", in which the hd6x0 headphones would have a ton of it.

[still gull]

Thanks so much that makes a lot of sense!

[unique wind]

yapasaurus rex

[haughty girder]

Looks like an in ear monitor amp