audio-tech

[warm scarab]

eh

[late adder]

idk i wanted to get the aria snows but ppl are telling me they are not good

[warm scarab]

they aren't bad but like

I wouldn't get them either

better options like zero reds available

[late adder]

yea pretty ''available''

[warm scarab]

just wait

not hard

amazon shipments from china generally arrive in 12 days to me

[late adder]

i need a pair before the week ends for work tho so waiting is hard

and ive heard Linsoul is bad

[warm scarab]

do whatever you want man

but you wont find anyone here telling you that the aria snow is good

[tawdry gale]

even 20 dollar options are better than aria snow nowadays

[late adder]

So just get the 7hz zero 2 and if they arent amazing its only 20€

Thats fair, maybe i dont like iems at all so it might be a good thing to start with

[tawdry gale]

yes

[haughty girder]

The 20 dollar options aren't as comfortable IMO

then again, Aria Snow is also kinda expensive FWIW

Kiwi Cadenzas cost a little more, but are super comfy

[elder thistle]

that's surprisingly good channel balance on the srh440a

[haughty girder]

too bad the 440a has other issues

such as sucking compared to the 440

[molten lotus]

To be honest, i can't hear difference between the integrated soundcard in my laptop and Schit Hel V1. My headphones are only 32 ohm, so they don't need much power. The only thing i can point out, is the the Hel plays louder, because it has it's own volume wheel.

[tawdry gale]

hel is mid

u'd only want to get it if u wanted to plug a mic

into something

[molten lotus]

I used it everyday for 3 years with my desktop computer, but with the laptop i am using now i don't find any reason to use the Hel .

The only thing i miss is the ability to manually control the mic volume with a wheel. That is a underrated feature

[elder thistle]

disagree + catastrophic hinge issues

if you dont mention that one in 2 or 3 if them will break at a random time regardless of how they're treated

then you are making people lose money

my 840 was ok, my 440 died at the hinge, my 940 died at the hinge

[last plume]

Astro A10 vs Hyperx cloud stinger?

this is gonna be my first time buying a decent headset that doesn't cost $10 or under, I've bought many cheap ones before and they all stopped working after a couple of months lol

[elder thistle]

I haven't tried either of those specifically

[glad creek]

Audeze maxwell

[lean grove]

Welcome back xenio

[elder thistle]

also ass headphone he's wearing unless it's the white version new on ebay, which for some reason is $40-60

instead of $150

[candid cosmos]

I have mackie Monitors, they are fun - i like them a lot, but the amp does have a notable hiss - always. (when not standby/off obv)

[haughty girder]

Pretty sure headphones are meant to be listened to not durability tested

I don't care how durable a headphone is if it sounds like garbage

(srh440a be like)

[elder thistle]

I mean yes

but I don't care how good a headphone sounds if it cannot be worn

[gleaming junco]

would putting a sticker on my DT-770's earcup alter the sound profile

[rotund dust]

could someone suggest me mid range headphones ?
should be wireless, can use for daily activities (probably even gaming) and decent nc at the least

[tawdry gale]

budget?

[tawdry gale]

high res sticker?

[gleaming junco]

Nah I got this

Set of stickers

But i already decided against it

the back of the earcup is textured so i dont know if it would stick

i put them on my audio interface tho

[warm scarab]

no

its not an open back

but the headphone isn't a flat surface it will probably be hard to put on

[lean grove]

You know I've been thinking about this long and hard. I bet you Klaus has special plastic socks that he fills with mayo and then walks around in his bedroom making squelching sounds.

That seems exactly like something Klaus would do and promote online under an anonymous account

[dense pilot]

does somebody maybe know why my grundig mpaxx 700 series mp3 player (really old) not connect to my pc via USB A? do i need software or is the hardware broken

[lean grove]

Have you tried Google?

[dense pilot]

yes

ppl just say mp3 players are cheap go get one

[warm scarab]

source?

wtf my phone uploaded this

it recommended this in autocomplete

[haughty girder]

LOL

[gentle quiver]

https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-Active-Bluetooth-Computer-Speakers/dp/B08HCBMSTP want to upgrade from my pebbles is this a good enough upgrade or is there a way better upgrade available for 10-20£ more

tryna upgrade and keep the speakers for a couple of years so i want to get the best possible upgrade

[lean grove]

Take a look at the edifier mr4 and the Klipsch promedia 2.1

[gentle quiver]

okay thanks

[rotund dust]

my bad i should have specified
upto 10k inr
which is 120 usd (i know it isnt high enough to get the best of things so im ready to compromise in factors)

[grand wraith]

anyone know how long it takes for Moondrop support to respond? And if they repair IEMs? my IEMs just started falling apart bc of the glue they used

[livid ruin]

they'll likely give you a new pair if they accept the rma

[tawdry gale]

jbl tune 760/770nc

[warm scarab]

haven't heard of these before

[tawdry gale]

go demo them

they are good

[warm scarab]

how is the ANC

and cost

[tawdry gale]

cost, around 100 usd

[tawdry gale]

anc is mid

[warm scarab]

squiggles look pretty alright

on 760

770 has none

[tawdry gale]

I abed both, couldnt tell the difference

[warm scarab]

no difference in anc either?

[tawdry gale]

no

770 just has better bt and battery

[warm scarab]

wdym better bt

[tawdry gale]

bluetooth 5.3 vs older bluetooth

[warm scarab]

why does this matter

[tawdry gale]

idk

[warm scarab]

does it have any different codecs

[tawdry gale]

no

[haughty girder]

Generally efficiency, that's about it

it's not gonna have any more avrcp functionality or anything like that, it's a headphone

[noble axle]

ineeda 30$ mic before my current one catches fire or smthn been getting loud low occilating noises in it

[haughty girder]

USB? Try to get an OG Seiren Mini

[elder thistle]

I have recommended someone a dt770 250

[late adder]

Would you pick em over the Salnotes?

[tawdry gale]

id pick salnotes zero 2 or over salnotes zero 1

[late adder]

oh they are both salnotes...

my bad

[supple robin]

can i use Perfume/Fragrance to clean my left iem to make it sound right, using some kitchen roll?

[supple robin]

😦

you've still got time to recommend k361/k371 my friend

[lean grove]

Maybe. Might also possibly dissolve glue or plastic depending on what's in the perfume

Some types of oil can eat through glue and plastic like nobody's business

[supple robin]

i think it should be fine but il wait for more reponses

[warm scarab]

which part so you plan on cleaning

the inputs or the driver

[nova wagon]

Yep, petroleum-based oil destroy thermoplastics

is one example

[lean grove]

I was thinking more like orange oil.

Natural oils possibly found in perfume

[supple robin]

driver i think

like the mesh grill

[warm scarab]

I don't think I can recommend that

what happened, earwax?

[supple robin]

food i think

as it happened after having food residue on my hand at a cafe

[warm scarab]

I recognize this behavior

You gooned on it

[zenith hill]

anyone able to suggest some decent affordable speakers for gaming and general use case

[fiery vessel]

Any small form-factor hardware to reduce background noise?

[tawdry gale]

iems

[tawdry gale]

budget?

[fiery vessel]

Sorry, meant in microphones

[tawdry gale]

dji mic 2 or rode wireless pro

[elder thistle]

it made sense though

he wanted something for movies with wide soundstage, closed back, capable of very high bass spl, eq

[stark mantle]

what's spl?

[elder thistle]

sound pressure level

just loudness

[stark mantle]

oh

beyerdynamic dt 770 pro 80Ohm also seems a good match?

[elder thistle]

maybe, but the instrument separation is worse

[stark mantle]

I got those for gaming

was playing a ton of battlefield, wanted something to make the explosions and gunfire pop

[elder thistle]

works well?

[stark mantle]

and the soundstage on these is the best I've ever experienced

fuck yes

the serpent's voice in GoW is a real treat with them

[elder thistle]

yeah mega soundstage

[tawdry gale]

well makes sense due to how much treble there is

[elder thistle]

nah it's the same with it eq'd down

intrinsic to the baffle and overall design

[stark mantle]

one time I took them off because I thought I heard a sound coming from my window 2 meters away

but no, it was the game itself

[elder thistle]

pov motorcycle in your house at 15s

[stark mantle]

I've been able to help friends find enemies in battle royale just by listening to footsteps on their feed

[tawdry gale]

This is my eq for gaming

LS +6 Fc 150 HS +6 Fc 1500 Preamp -6

works really well

[stark mantle]

yeah that does sound good

my one issue with them is they are quite tight, can't simply lower them to my shoulders

start pressing into my adam's apple

[elder thistle]

I wish I was not reminded that part of my body exists

reeeeeeeee

[stark mantle]

and they still work fine when plugged into my dualsense

[elder thistle]

yes

[stark mantle]

they made such a difference for the fury fight in MGS3

[elder thistle]

the "premium" chassis that's available for the dt880 and 990 has less clamp force

[stark mantle]

my public transportation headphones are getting fucked, the faux leather is unraveling

and they have been discontinued :( most comfortable pair I've ever owned

not the most amazing sounding but good enough

[elder thistle]

can't find replacement earpads?

[stark mantle]

no, and it's also the headrest

like I leave my house, take the train, go through the airport, board the plane that lasts about 90minutes, get off, take a 1 hour car ride to my sister, only time I take them off is airport security

otherwise on or around my shoulders

I've been looking at BT headphones but they're expensive

unfortunately the way smartphones are going it seems like I'll have to get a pair at some point

[tawdry gale]

https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/kopfpolster-knoepfbar.html

[stark mantle]

those are not my public transportation pair lol

https://www.tradeinn.com/f/13651/136510708/sennheiser-hd-471-g-headphones.jpg

[tawdry gale]

jbl tune 710bt cheap

and good

[elder thistle]

yeah there's usually lots of 3rd party earpads that will still fit, though it will change the sound

the bigger challenge is finding which ones those are

m50x pads fit a whole lot of things

[stark mantle]

are those circumaural?

[tawdry gale]

its over ear

[stark mantle]

okay good

does sennheiser make any good ones? always found them to fit my head well

[tawdry gale]

their build and software arent good for price

most things went down hill after Axel Grell left

[zenith hill]

£100-150

maybe £200 max

[tawdry gale]

https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/JBL-305P-MKII-Studio-Monitor-Pair/3CFL?origin=product-ads&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwjeuyBhBuEiwAJ3vuodPZ6rXxARDieu68G8TulJFtVBdW-A9UfbpI6vARxTqg4at9sN1sixoCPoMQAvD_BwE

stretch to this

[haughty girder]

+1 for recc

[zenith hill]

What's the sound signature like?

id be using it for gaming and listening to music without using headphones

I currently use my HD 560S for both

[tawdry gale]

smooth

[warm scarab]

good

[zenith hill]

are these 2.1 or 2.0?

also, whats the ohms?

since ill likely need a DAC/AMP

I have a high end motherboard but idk if it can drive these

[tawdry gale]

its powered

has internal dac/amp

[tawdry gale]

2.0, theres no subwoofer speaker

[warm scarab]

They arent passives

[zenith hill]

what about Presonus Eris 3.5/4.5?

or Mackey X38?

I dont mind going used

[zenith hill]

@warm scarab I should mention Linux compatibility is a must

so it must not have any weird software and just be 3.5mm or USB

[warm scarab]

Its a monitor

They normally don't have softwares

[zenith hill]

sweet

so what about presonus?

[warm scarab]

its shit

[zenith hill]

i want more reasoning than that

[warm scarab]

I want your reasoning in why you think it may be a better option

[zenith hill]

i just saw it on amazon and was curious

it was a good price

[warm scarab]

I don't know the mackey x38

Presonus is literally what you said

Its just some shit speakers that's been front paging on amazon for years

[zenith hill]

so these are best then?

[warm scarab]

It's more expensive than edifiers and sounds worse

[warm scarab]

For their budget they are very hard to breat

[zenith hill]

is it possible to buy these used?

[warm scarab]

yes

[zenith hill]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256480651627 this looks too good to be true

ill get these monitors later this month probably

[lean grove]

Presonus speakers use small speaker drivers to make them small and fit on people's desks.

There are some engineering hurdles to make tiny speakers have any amount of bass.

Presonus does none of those and they just say fuck it and overtune the port so they are the quintessential "one note farty bass" speaker

[zenith hill]

gotcha

[zenith hill]

how large are these JBLs?

[tawdry gale]

for the price yes

[lean grove]

Large watermelons

[tawdry gale]

298 x 185 x 231 mm (11.75" x 7.3" x 9.9")

[lean grove]

Well. Maybe medium watermelons.

[zenith hill]

i mean will they fit on my desk

[lean grove]

Can two watermelons fit on your desk

[zenith hill]

yeah i think so

[nova wagon]

a pair of those are around 200 pounds right now so 180 for used seems fine, if not overpriced

[zenith hill]

gotcha

[nova wagon]

new on amazon btw

dunno why i didnt write that in

[zenith hill]

are these comparable in sound profile to HD650s?

[tawdry gale]

I think u should use a ruler

[zenith hill]

i really love these headphones

[tawdry gale]

to measure

[lean grove]

No.

[tawdry gale]

different form factors

[lean grove]

You can't compare speakers to headphones

[zenith hill]

i mean sound profile wise

like clear

[tawdry gale]

u cant

[zenith hill]

not overly bassy or distorted

[tawdry gale]

its a literal speaker

[tawdry gale]

well its not 2 subwoofers

so no

[lean grove]

Bass will depend on how you have them set up in your room. Distortion probably not at desk listening distance. But if you put them close to the wall or in a corner then bass might increase

[zenith hill]

gotcha

and theres just speaker wire or?

[tawdry gale]

it comes with everything u need to set up the speaker

including wires

[zenith hill]

sweet ill get them later this month

[tawdry gale]

to connect to pc

or what ever

[zenith hill]

thats inches right?

[nova wagon]

yea, what else would that be?

[tawdry gale]

ones on the right are inches

[zenith hill]

i get inches and feet confused

okay then they will definitely fit

[nova wagon]

fair enough

[zenith hill]

gotcha

do they have good stereo seperation/sound stage?

[warm scarab]

I mean you tell us

[zenith hill]

i answered my own question

[tawdry gale]

depends on ur room

[warm scarab]

depends on your room

If you want peak performance, you'd want a measurement mic

calibrate the speakers to your room

[zenith hill]

okay so its very much it depends

ill look into these somemore thanks

[warm scarab]

Google how to set up speakers

There is a bit of geometry involved

Place them as far away from walls as possible

Point them to yourself

[zenith hill]

that may be a bit difficult because my desk is against a wall

or do you mean the facing side

[warm scarab]

I mean every side

[warm scarab]

Same

Just do it as much as you can

[zenith hill]

i could bring them forwards maybe an inch or two

but probably not more

[warm scarab]

better than nothing

[lean grove]

Does it have the dual mono ts to 3.5mm?

[warm scarab]

Also look up "room calibration with rew" if you want peak performance from these speakers after you get them

I'd argue this is more important than the speakers themselves

[tawdry gale]

yes

[zenith hill]

sweet this is free, do i need a special mic for it?

[warm scarab]

You need a mic but software is free

[zenith hill]

and then will it build an EQ profile?

[warm scarab]

Yes

[brazen ibex]

did anyone knows what best equalizer software for windows 10?

[warm scarab]

Eq apo

with peace gui if you are unintelligent

watch a tutorial on how to use either

[brazen ibex]

already tried few min ago and I uninstalled making my headset worse than before 💀

[warm scarab]

I mean

that's a user fault

its a basic eq program, whatever you tell it to do, it does that

if you don't know how to eq properly switching programs wont fix that

[brazen ibex]

well i tried easyeffect on my friend linux making it kinda better

[warm scarab]

The quality difference between eq programs is the level it operates at

EQ apo operates the closest to the OS level for windows 10 making it more stable and work automatically through drivers without breaking

apart from that there is literally nothing that makes an eq program different from another

pick 20 eq programs, give them the same - preamp level, same eq preset and they will all sound same unless they are broken

[uncut sky]

Guys anyone got some decent quality speakers for 30$-50$ i see the logitech z150 r they good

[tired crown]

I don’t recommend any speakers for $50

[uncut sky]

Well i just want something thats not over th top but just good what u recommend

I can go max 100

[nova wagon]

creative pebbles i guess

[tired crown]

Yeah pebbles

[uncut sky]

These? Theyre 30$ lol

The plus one is 70$

[nova wagon]

Yep, those
it's still ass objectively, but the least ass in your price range

[warm scarab]

see if you can grab second hand edifier 1280s

if not stick to the pebbles

the pebbles 2.1 ideally

[tired crown]

Yeah pebbles sound like listening to something threw a pillow but still better than anything else under $75

[late adder]

they actually sound amazing for the price, cable is short but i still had a extender myself so

[tawdry gale]

nice

[late adder]

i might have to send em back, they have a static noise issue on the left side

[lean grove]

Objectively name me a better speaker for $30

[warm scarab]

but nils he said they are the best speakers in the price range in an indirect way

[nova wagon]

Yep

I did a roundabout in wording

[tawdry gale]

are u plugging them directly into pc?

[late adder]

yes

but it also happened with plugging em into my mic

[tawdry gale]

try apple dongle

[late adder]

my normal headset doesnt have the issue

[tawdry gale]

iems are more sensitive to noise floor than hps

either its that

or its the cable

[warm scarab]

yeah i swear

[late adder]

yea, i got it off amazon so ima just return it tomorrow

[warm scarab]

this nils dude is like

[nova wagon]

Nah he's a fine guy.

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

@lean grove you are going down

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233568823727095913/1235300522915922041/cat-kill.gif

[tawdry gale]

did u try it with apple dongle?

[late adder]

dont have one of those i think

but even if it works, i cant use it on my pc

[tawdry gale]

apple dongle is usb c

[late adder]

right...

let me look for one

i dont have one

[warm scarab]

like donny said iems are very sensitive

it isn't an issue with the iem but your output, which isn't a unique scenario

apple usb c to 3.5 costs like 9$, if you have any intentions of using an iem with your pc you should get one

that or buy an amplifier suitable for iems

[late adder]

Fair, ill see if my brother has one and otherwise i will just return em and buy a headset

thanks for the help

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-samwise-spook-hand-gif-2305894769331081418

[wanton sigil]

What hz should i put my headphones too? I just got some Dt 770s but im not sure if i should put them 32 bit 48000hz or the max 384000hz

[elder thistle]

48k yes

[wanton sigil]

alright, thank you

[stone quartz]

My headphone amplifier seems to have started distorting. Could it be starting to fail?

[tawdry gale]

on all ur headphones?

[stone quartz]

It's only when I have it right near max volume, but it seemed cleaner before

I have only tried one pair of headphones, should probably rule that out

[tawdry gale]

max volume? u want to blow ur ears out?

well unless u own a modhouse tungsten

or he6 og

[stone quartz]

Max on the amplifier, but I do keep the preamp down in Equalizer APO

[tawdry gale]

or susvara

[stone quartz]

And my headphones are 250 ohms, so it's not crazy loud

[tawdry gale]

max ur pc volume, and control volume with amp knob

[stone quartz]

I have an EQ applied, so the peak gain would be +9.5 if I maxed it

[tawdry gale]

then lower preamp

u will have more distortion if u dont put pc volume at 100%

and control volume with amp knob

[stone quartz]

I do that currently, just lowered the gain in software to compensate for the EQ I applied

But Windows volume is 100%

[warm scarab]

Which amplifier do you have

[stone quartz]

FiiO K5 Pro

[warm scarab]

Yeah lol

unsurprising

[stone quartz]

Can you recommend anything better?

Of desktop form factor

[warm scarab]

Test if sound is only distorted on a certain program

Eg if spotify distorts test browser

[warm scarab]

budget

[stone quartz]

Up to £600

[warm scarab]

That's plentiful but based off of 250ohm statement im guessing you have a beyer

[stone quartz]

Yeah

[warm scarab]

Get better headphones too if you have that sort of budget

Its wasted on beyers

[stone quartz]

True

[warm scarab]

I recommend ifi zen can

Cheapest class A amplifier I know of

I advise getting balanced cables for headphones in the future given they support them with the zen can

[stone quartz]

What's the ZEN Signature like?

[warm scarab]

Which signature

[stone quartz]

The MZ99

Looks like it wouldn't have much output power with that 5V input

[warm scarab]

Oh its the shit made for mezes

[warm scarab]

That's not how it works

Your fiio has 1.5w at 32ohm yet distorts like shit

[stone quartz]

I gues the DAC in it is decent?

[warm scarab]

Zen is like double that

[stone quartz]

Could I get a separate amp and use its pre outputs

[warm scarab]

Zen can is an amplifier only

It's not a dac

[stone quartz]

Ah

Explains why they have this bundle

[warm scarab]

Zen can is like 4W at 32 ohms

fiio is 1.5W

not to mention one is a class A amplifier one is class D

not to mention power rating doesn't state much about distortion

You can get the regular signature set if you want

I don't advise the mz99 one

its a stupid gimmick for a bad meze headphone

[stone quartz]

Ah

I think my headphones are rated at 200mW, which is right at the limit of my current amplifier I believe

[warm scarab]

your headphones are sensitive as hell so thats a testament to how shit fiio is

may as well get an edition xs b stock and a suspension strap with the rest of your money

or a 6xx if you want a dynamic

[stone quartz]

Are Focal headphones decent?

[warm scarab]

closed backs

I think they have like 1 decent closed back at somewhere 400$ ish

but its still a closed back at the end of the day

Unironically

You can also get speakers

You got the money for really decent ones

And room eq

[stone quartz]

I do have some speakers already, but looking to upgrade those too

[warm scarab]

Invest into room eq instead

Buy a measurement mic, calibrate your speakers to your room

Google how to use REW for room calibration

Watch a video on it

[stone quartz]

I think iLoud make a good measurement mic

[warm scarab]

Umik-1 is the best you can buy

Each individual measurement mic they make has a eq preset made for themselves

[stone quartz]

Ah, miniDSP

Forgot about that company

[warm scarab]

At reasonable prices at least

[warm scarab]

They make any?

[stone quartz]

They sell and ARC mic which comes with the MTM

Speaking of which, I heard their new Precision MTM monitors are very good

[warm scarab]

No idea

[stone quartz]

@warm scarab Which software do you recommend for the calibration?

[warm scarab]

REW

like I said though watch a video on it

[stone quartz]

I will watch one now

[warm scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1bSSL8tRA

[stone quartz]

Can I easily toggle the calibration on and off?

For when I'm wearing headphones

[buoyant vale]

you can just set it for a specific output

[stone quartz]

Because at the moment I my FiiO amplifier for both my speakers and my headphones

I could buy something like a Motu M2 for my speakers and use that

[buoyant vale]

in that case yes you can easily switch it on and off

[sudden grove]

What pair of headphones would you recommend for me? My budget is £40 (+10 in a few days) and was hoping for a great pair of them for beginning my audio recording for my vocal covers

[sudden grove]

I found a pair of

Zx770bns for £30

Is that worth?

[tawdry gale]

wireless or wired? closed or open?

[sudden grove]

Wired (ill take wireless if they have a wired option i guess)

Idm about closed or open.

[tawdry gale]

you think u need isolation when recording vocals

for ur budget, Id only recommend iems

probably, Truthear gate

[sudden grove]

What budget do headphones become viable?

[tawdry gale]

k361

[sudden grove]

Note taken

👛=🔥

£88 isnt bad tbh

Ive seen worse entry levels

For topics

[tawdry gale]

ah nice they are on sale

[warm scarab]

it exports as an EQ APO preset

so you can just click one button and it instantly disables

[blissful pelican]

Hi need new mic for discord only (gaming). This is any good??--->> : Fifine T669 or Fifine T732 or Streamplify Mic RGB

[stone quartz]

Thanks

[warm scarab]

I stress this though, room eq is day and night to me

if your room is unideal its an incredible solution

[gray monolith]

what would be the best soundbar/speakers for a desk set up. Only will be gaming/streaming

[warm scarab]

I can't recommend you a product since I don't know the market well but know this

soundbars are items which you trade off most of the performance for a compact solution

if you want good quality sound or have a small budget I don't advise them

[elder thistle]

is the modern he400se actually 32 ohms? it was 25 earlier

[tawdry gale]

32

[elder thistle]

that's so weird

did they change the drivers entirely? just the voice coil?

[warm scarab]

i feel like it wasn't 32 either

we are just schizophrenic

it was always 25

wtf

[haughty girder]

Fifine T669 is the best of all of them

[elder thistle]

the 512 audio academy is usually $50 in the u.s

it's basically a warmer m50x

so long as your ears aren't screwy with hrtf on those kinds of headphones, excellent. way ahead of something like moondrop chu 2's in stage. resolution, imaging, dynamics, instrument separation

pretty good isolation and low leakage

the akg k361 has pretty interesting midrange characteristics when it comes to just vocals with specifically nothing else playing. so in such a scenario, excellent for monitoring tbh

very dynamic and warm, smooth. for a moment it sounds like a $200-300 headphone

hard to describe honestly

it's also it's downfall as it horrifically shits the bed whenever more than a couple sounds play on it

and nothing becomes understandable or belonging to any particular instrument in the midrange

compares to $10-30 headphones there

I occasionally use my k361 as a hard reference for trying to make sure my music will sound relatively clear on low end equipment

it maintains it's neutrality though which is helpful there

other potential headphones for vocal monitoring in that budget could be the monoprice modern retro, mackie mc-150, edifier h840 if it's actually available, or a different m50x clone

there's definitely more out there but I haven't heard them

[elder thistle]

well, my multimeter will be ready

my sister has the original he400se so I can borrow it at some point to compare

it was definitely 25

[nocturne vessel]

https://www.razer.com/au-en/streaming-microphones/razer-seiren-v3-mini
Hey guys I'm looking for a cheap aud mic, with good quality audio...
I found this one for $77 aud and wondered if it's good.
Any thoughts?

[wise bobcat]

its not a bad mic, but you could probably find something better for the price

[nocturne vessel]

yeah, i just need one fast tbh

[wise bobcat]

whered u find that for 92 aud?

[nocturne vessel]

nah its 77 aud on another website

[wise bobcat]

both on razers site and jbhifi its 92

[nocturne vessel]

hold up ill find the site

https://www.ebgames.com.au/product/pc/305170-razer-seiren-v3-mini-ultra-compact-usb-microphone

there

[wise bobcat]

i mean if u want something fast go for it

[nocturne vessel]

yeah the reviews say the audio quality is good and thats all that really matters to me

[stark mantle]

I got the 770NC

[tawdry gale]

its a different flavour of 710bt tuning

[stark mantle]

the range of my BT antenna on my PC is also pretty nice

[tawdry gale]

u like the sound of 770nc?

[stark mantle]

so far no complaints

[tawdry gale]

which one did u get live, or tune?

[stark mantle]

definitely better bass than my previous pair

tune

[tawdry gale]

the live models have too much bass, more than tune

[stark mantle]

I have DT 770 Pro 80Ohms if I want great sound quality

[tawdry gale]

I heavily dislike dt770

[stark mantle]

I primarily wanted something on the lighter side that I can carry for a long time

[tawdry gale]

the treble peaks give me ear pain

[stark mantle]

my one issue is that if I press skip to next song, it also pauses, and I have to hit play again

I'm going to take a walk through my city next and see how well the noise cancelling works

[haughty girder]

how much would the original Seiren mini cost for you?

[stark mantle]

NC works really well in the store

I have to relearn my muscle memory, where I grab to put my headphones on after having them on my shoulder, my thumb hits the buttons

[haughty girder]

80ohm I'd say is the closest thing to acceptable DT770 has because for some reason the treble peaks are nowhere near as bad

compared to the 250

32 just sounds bad.

[stark mantle]

all I can say is I love my pair

[last finch]

anyone using audio visualizers here?

[warm scarab]

i mean sometimes

yes on musicbee no on other platforms

[last finch]

nice, didn't know musicbee. ty

[warm scarab]

its a playback program not a visualizer

you can just use a visualizer in it

[last finch]

like winamp

[warm scarab]

yes

except better

[last finch]

do you know if musicbee supports spotify? couldn't find it on their page

seems like it's only for local music + soundcloud

[warm scarab]

it doesn't

I don't know any playback programs that do

roon supports tidal and whatnot but that should be about it

[balmy epoch]

Threw together a mini listening setup to go with my main one since my roommate moved out and I have the extra room

PC>Schiit modi 2 Uber>BBE ARS>Sony TA-F35>Klipsch HIP heresy with my secret sauce

[lean grove]

Did you mod the heresies?

[balmy epoch]

Modded crossovers with a switch on the back to run 3 way active inputs, rebuilt the woofers and horn diaphragms myself

I have 4 HIP heresys, 4 la scala decorators, 2 la scala industrials that I've rebuilt

[lean grove]

That's actually pretty impressive

What are you using for the 3 way active crossover?

Minidsp?

[balmy epoch]

MINIDSP or Symmetry

Symmetry is high end old 12v system though, not home audio gear

I just run it on a converter

Right now it's passive though. Just the stock crossovers with upgraded caps etc

There's a drive rack around somewhere too but I rarely use it anymore

[last finch]

is anyone here into music visuals?
I've started (&released) a little visualizer project of my own and was wondering if i find here other enthusiasts who might be interrested into it

[balmy epoch]

I've got a resolume license and do it professionally sometimes :p

I'd be interested in playing around with it

[last finch]

nice, looking for people like you 🙂

[balmy epoch]

Feel free to shoot me a link, I'm fairly busy these days but I'm sure I'll get around to playing with it

[last finch]

i send you a pm with the link. i believe it's not allowed to make advertisement for own projects

[nocturne vessel]

77 aud

[nocturne vessel]

oh wait the og sorry that would cost around 65 aud or 60 aud the v3 is 77 aud

[haughty girder]

if you perhaps wait for a sale, I'd say grab the original Seiren mini for cheaper

unless you really want that mute switch

[nocturne vessel]

mute swtich lol

i think i might just grab the v3 since the reviewss say iut has good sound quality and it is 80 bucks, i need a mic soon so it makes sense just to get this one and i have a budget of $100

[haughty girder]

I think the original just sounds a little better, but v3 is definitely still not bad

[nocturne vessel]

yeah

[molten lotus]

USB pc microphone recommendation rn

[ancient frost]

have had a decent experience with the FiFine AM8, though this is the only standalone mic i've used

also XLR capable, but this is a budget option

[digital summit]

Is there an audio equalizer built in androids?

[civic beacon]

Depends on whether or not your Android OS offers one. If it doesn't, there are 3rd party apps, though they don't work with all devices, once again depending on your exact model of phone and the OS.

[digital summit]

I am running android 13

And it's a galaxy s20 fe 5g

I will try to find some information online

I found some on the play store but they come with paid features smh... How hard would it be for me to code an equalizer and upload it as an apk

[civic beacon]

Page 113 of your phone's user manual mentions an Equalizer, though who knows what your exact variant of the phone offers. https://www.virginplus.ca/assets/phones/10-20950/10-20950_userGuide_en.pdf

[timid echo]

What is the best mic for a $50 budget?

[tame scarab]

I use the razer mini mic, love it

[haughty girder]

Razer Seiren Mini, IMO

if you can get it for less than 50 bucks, grab a cheap mic arm from amazon as well

[timid echo]

Thanks

[timid echo]

Is it the v3 mini?

I think there’s multiple

[haughty girder]

Original one sounds just a bit better than the V3

but V3 has a mute switch

Original also comes in a fair bit cheaper iirc

[haughty girder]

best one on playstore is Poweramp EQ

it's a couple bucks but it's worth it

if you don't wnat to spend money, grab Google opinion rewards

[warm scarab]

Wavelet and power amp eq

[warm scarab]

Wait I'm dumb I misread that

Yes but don't use it

Trash

[haughty girder]

lmao

[digital summit]

Thank you!

I have found that spotify app has an equalizer built in the app

[timid echo]

oh fr?

might just go with that then

[elder thistle]

but I love the android phone one

I mean it's limited in what you can tweak, yes. but it's built right in and is usually plenty to balance a headphone out

[warm scarab]

no preamp slider

annoying

[timid echo]

anyone know if boom arms can be put at the front of the desk?

my desk has a cable bar thing at the back and it gets in the way of any desk mount

[gentle quiver]

where else would u put it 0.0

[timid echo]

back of the desk

😭

[gentle quiver]

oh most desks ive seen are put up against the wall so u cant do that

but fair ig

[timid echo]

thats what i mean agasint the wall

like the back

if the desk

of

[gentle quiver]

my boom has been fine at the front of the desk and ive had it for like 3 years

[timid echo]

yeah i was wondering if it gets in the way or anything

[gentle quiver]

my desk is a pretty big L desk so nahh

[timid echo]

alr ty

[gentle quiver]

it mainly depends on the size of your desk imo

took me a while to find a comfortable spot for it

anyone know if its worth getting the Edifier R33BTs for just listening to music over the creative pebbles i already have , all i really want is better bass and them being louder but i saw some reviews that say that the bass on them isnt great and the max db is barely higher than the pebbles

[haughty girder]

you can

but it gets really annoying if you have desk cabinets

[timid echo]

i only have one

[haughty girder]

if you don't have em, it's decent

put it on the side without it

[timid echo]

yeah

will do

ty

[elder thistle]

woah, yeah this one's reading 30.4 ohms

sounds about the same as I remember though

except for tone. that's been improved

[elder thistle]

oh I should measure it and compare to the old version

we have the technology

[warm yarrow]

Hi, can someone check something for me?

I want to know if its just me who have this problem

https://youtu.be/gKcbnf2eLSQ Try hold and slide the volume in this video if you have popping sound too

[lilac spire]

Need help troubleshooting bose soundtouch 130

Tried finding online but couldnt get anything

[warm scarab]

@unique wind @lean grove what is the current 20~$ iem

[lean grove]

Truthear gate?

[warm scarab]

why a question mark

do you think id ask you if i knew this shit

[lean grove]

That's the latest one and it looks good

Idk if there's some weird ass other brand that's ""better""

[warm scarab]

looks good

do you think this is a joke

[lean grove]

I think you are a joke yes

[warm scarab]

thats not what i said stupid

[lean grove]

We have a secret discord channel completely dedicated to making fun of you. We call you things like "stupid Klaus" and "pee pee poo poo fart baby"

Actually it's public

We have over 6000 members

[warm scarab]

I can't take this harassment

leave

[unique wind]

7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 seems solid

[lunar abyss]

why does my sound sound like this when i open discord and games? - anyone know how to fix?

[warm scarab]

bluetooth

[tired crown]

are you using bluetooth by chance?

[restive quarry]

ok. so here an open question to everyone. if you were able to get the new sonos ace headphones for 40% off, would you buy those or the airpods max. I would use them mostly as my all around headphones. I have mostly all apple devices apart from my desktop witch is a custom build. I also do have a pair of airpods pro that i currently use for work, these would be replacing those. As far as using then when watching tv i do own a apple tv and do plan to get a sonos sound bar in the future once i move. So given that info what would you guys do?

[lean grove]

have you taken a look at the audeze maxwell

[restive quarry]

i have not. im only considering the sonos headphones due to me having a code that gets me 40% off. otherwise im probably gonna wait for the airpods max refresh.

[lean grove]

i would be suspicious of anything that launches this early with a discount that high

[restive quarry]

i should also specify the code is given to me by my work. so its nothing to do with this particular product.

i can get 40% off anything on their site

[lean grove]

ahh

from what ive seen of it, the sonos headphones dont look like they do anything all to special. like they're nice to look at and seem to have a decent design

but idk if they're $450 good

[restive quarry]

but for $280 ish?

[lean grove]

i mean. idk. like i said, they dont really seem like they do anything special that a $70 bluetooth headphone doesnt do

so is a cool design worth $200

[frozen badger]

yes

[lean grove]

depends on the person

[frozen badger]

maybe

[lean grove]

definitely

[frozen badger]

im just saying airpod pros look a lot better then were a cheap $70 amazon bluetooth headset around

wearing*

[lean grove]

of course

but is it worth the extra money

to you, sure

to me, nah.

[frozen badger]

i mean to look goof

good*

[restive quarry]

i mean i think both look good.

[lean grove]

i dont think i'd pay $200 to make anything look better, especially if its something that i'd never see

[frozen badger]

i bought an apple watch just to wear it when i want to look good which is rare

looks matter to me

[lean grove]

well the benefit of paying extra for the watch to look good is that you look at every time you use it

it is very hard to look at your headphones while you're wearing them

[lean grove]

strictly speaking if it was between the apple headphones and the sonos headphones, I would probably go for the apple headphones. especially if I had an iphone.

[restive quarry]

but with that code i have the sonos are almost 1/2 the price of the apple.

[frozen badger]

this looks good??

im joking

mostly

[lean grove]

ah. yeah idk then.

[restive quarry]

the cunundrum continues lol.

[frozen badger]

i use sony headphones

[lean grove]

if you're happy with the airpod pros then i would just keep them

you can save even more money by not buying anything

[frozen badger]

I your gonna get something else at least make it wired

my opinion 90% of the time it sounds better

[restive quarry]

when i use them at work a wire would get in the way. its alot of me moving stuff around when i use them so having them be wireless is a must.

[frozen badger]

ok just putting my 2 cents in

[restive quarry]

plus its retail so the cord would get snagged on all the different types of shelving. its happened before and is how i lost a pair of shure iems that i got on clearance.

your good, advice is what im looking for in this scenario.

[elder thistle]

did you try putting the cord down your shirt

[tawdry gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIwgVzSiZ68

earpods best for gaming

confirmed by Crinacle himself

[lean grove]

I've never seen any of these people before

Are they big on TimTok or something

[tawdry gale]

no

[tawdry gale]

They produce the most reliable impressions of audio gear (except badseed, gadgetary and joshua)

on yt

Crin has the largest database of measurements for iem and headphones (4620 iem measurements, idk for hps)

[tired crown]

Bros never opened YouTube

[warm scarab]

yeah ive seen them on tiktok

the beard guy looks at keyboards and stuff

[lean grove]

Which one of them can do the thug shake

[warm scarab]

i think golden could definitely do the rump shaker

little chublet

[lean grove]

What's the patreon

[lean grove]

Weird that he has the same name as one of the mods in here.

[warm scarab]

thats him nils

[tawdry gale]

which beard guy

[warm scarab]

he can do the thug shaker

[warm scarab]

one of them

[tawdry gale]

cuz one of the beard guys is an affiliate link baiter, one of them is a gamer tech ytber and the last one is a hp/iem reviewer

[warm scarab]

can he do the rump shaker

[warm scarab]

@lean grove

thoughts on Klipsch R-41PM for 280€

[lean grove]

Uhhhhh

I'd hesitate to recommend anything Klipsch other than the passive heritage stuff and the new rp-X00 mk II stuff

[warm scarab]

@lean grove what speaker

at 300€

[lean grove]

JBL lsr305

[warm scarab]

yeah thats what i told him too lmao

[elder thistle]

how does someone get a fosi ds2 to work on mac

[tawdry gale]

plug into usb c

[elder thistle]

pcmr server yes

[tawdry gale]

strange, it works for me on mac

just plug and go

though the one I tried was a store demo unit

[elder thistle]

I'll see if he has a different cable to try

[lean grove]

Why'd you get the ds2 and not the ds1

[elder thistle]

power, price

[frosty ocean]

I picked up a honeywell wireless doorbell for 3 dollars. wooo

runs off 4 C batteries for some reason...

[haughty girder]

they're all usb class 1 or 2, it's called universal for a reason

just plug it in

if it doesn't work, 9 times out of 10 it's a skill issue

[elder thistle]

there was a video crin made some time ago about gaming headsets

boy did that leave a bad taste in my mouth

for starters he had this strange panic-y voice and acted like a mime for most of the video, like he was trying to address the stupidest audience in the world

of course his takeaway was that gaming headsets are shit and have no purpose or meaning

but it was just super disingenuous and the way he was describing it didn't take into consideration almost anything about game audio, let alone any semblance of design goals in headsets

the most accurate part of that video was when he told everyone they aren't magically good enough to be competitive with sound anyways

which isn't true, but it can at least be the position someone starts from

[tawdry gale]

Do u mean "surround sound"? Surround sound is just an eq

[elder thistle]

no, disregarding usb dongles or software

though the software especially is vastly beyond any semblance of conventional eq

just talking headsets in perspective to the 3.5mm jack at the end

like for starters, most headsets still obey a kind of frequency response target that's just generally seen and mistaken as "shit" by audio communities

boosting 200hz and mid treble is an effective way to increase the volume of footsteps and clip reloads more than it does the volume of gunfire, dialogue, and explosions, across most fps games

second, with the closed design and collapsed soundstage, they're often able to get a really strong sense of rear imaging and having it sound different than sounds to the front

this is something most hi-fi and studio headphones, open and closed, suffer from a lot in comparison. you're left with subtle or nonexistent direction cues with rear imaging

a proper headset can be a great budget tool that presents the sound in a way and capacity that's useful to less trained listeners, for not a lot of money

doesn't mean it gets to sound "good" though, or not necessarily

[haughty girder]

Aceu plays Apex with Apple Earpods. Tenz plays valorant with Blessing 3s. They're both insane at their respective games.

[elder thistle]

yee

[deep berry]

I find myself in need of a turntable

Anyone got recommendations for something under $350?

Certainly fine buying used (i.e., eBay)

[lean grove]

Check out the uturn orbit

[steel escarp]

Thank God I didn't get the old susvara

With susvara 2 being announced and all

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/hifiman-electronics-debuts-long-awaited-susvara-unveiled-open-back-planar-headphone/

It's 8000$

At that point I'd take a speaker system over it

[dawn ice]

real price is probably gonna be a lot lower, just like with v1 sus

hifiman hike there official prices up for the percieved superiority in Chineese markets

[steel escarp]

6.7k euros for susvara is also wild tho,

The dealer wouldn't lower it below 6k euros, around 10%

He1000se is getting a price drop from 2k to 1.6k dollars

But it's a terrible headphone next to he1000v2 stealth

[dawn ice]

i think real price for sus is around 4-4.5k

or at least those are the prices that they actually go for. Buying hifiman through dealers is not worth it since hifiman sell directly

[uncut sky]

guys i only have one L out but i want to connect both my speakers n headphones at same time what do i do

[warm scarab]

Buy an audio switch

[uncut sky]

like these?

dont u think that might degrade audio quality

or its this

[warm scarab]

No

[warm scarab]

Yes

[warm scarab]

No

No if you buy the second one maybe yes if you buy the first one

[steel escarp]

It's okay

I like the closed one more

The maxwell is better

I love that thing

The new closed sennheiser is wonky

Not my thing

The fiio ft5 will be loved by lcd-x enjoyers

[unique wind]

wow fiio ft5 is really bad

might be salvagable with eq

[dawn ice]

wait what? a sennheiser headphone thats bad? no way

[steel escarp]

I said for lcd-x fans

I bought a maxwell

It's gonna be used at the office

[warm scarab]

ayo flaze in chat

[dawn ice]

sup

[warm scarab]

how the fuck have i never seen you message in like the past year

[dawn ice]

tbf, ive only been active in HD discord in recent times

[warm scarab]

HD?

[dawn ice]

helldivers

[warm scarab]

the audiophile discord tradition of abbreviating server names

[dawn ice]

lol

but yah, been mostly in to different shit lately

and im not upgrading anymore so not visit audio discord much

[gusty spruce]

i think im running shuresm58, with shure srh840s, just no need to upgrade either tbh

im not really into speakers

[steel escarp]

my audio dealer said he heard new susvara in munich, he said it was better than the old one, more dynamics

I definetely gotta visit his place when he gets one for demo

[surreal veldt]

does anyone know a good pair of wireless headsets that got insane bass
i want to feel the bass vibrations

[unique wind]

audeze maxwell

[surreal veldt]

its for listening to music

[lean grove]

@unique wind thoughts?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/c5b_v-gif.372083/

oh gif is broken

one sec

[steel escarp]

the balanced cable modding dt900 pro x isnt gonna happen

I figured out at the hifi showroom today that via roon I could use EQ to fix the treble, I did that and suddenly it lost its sparkle. also boosted its bass but it just dont boost the same as dt880

[dull pike]

Yall, is the harman kardon avr good?

[jaunty umbra]

Are sound cards remotely worth having in your pc? Just curious since I happened to glance at a couple window shopping

[tawdry gale]

external dac/amps are better

even apple dongles are better than most soundcards

[warm scarab]

Old technology and solution

[gray thorn]

hey all, quick question, would it be theoretically possibly to run genral audio from my pc to an older model sony blu ray/surround sound amp just for speaker audio? i was planning to run it over 3.5mm aux to 2RCA with simple output from pc. its registering in windows sound settings but no audio output

[gray thorn]

any suggestions on what do here?

simply want to pass audio through the blu ray player and its inbuilt amp to the connected speakers?

[steel escarp]

the audeze maxwell is nice, its only down side is that the treble and midrange isn't as smooth as an open back hifiman

I put it on a headphone stand that compresses the pads a bit to wear it in nicely

[teal fern]

Anyone knows which is better between the Logitech G335 Vs Razer Black shark v2 X?

[warm scarab]

this should work

send pictures of the back of the blu ray player

[gray thorn]

All good now, found some older Reddit posts and turns out it was input/output stuff in settings of the player that was messing it up, got it working

[mild gale]

what would be the best headphones for singleplayer Playing like rd2?

[dawn ice]

susvara

[mild gale]

i dont have 6000 dollars

[dawn ice]

well, youd also need proper source gear, so it would end up being more

[mild gale]

what would be the best MID range headphones for singleplayer playing like rd2

[dawn ice]

well, whats your budget?

[mild gale]

uh

[dawn ice]

tho, if you just want a really nice setup, could get edition xs and ifi zen dac

[mild gale]

considering import fees and all that

[dawn ice]

where you from

[mild gale]

like 150 dollars

[mild gale]

iceland

[dawn ice]

is that eu?

[mild gale]

sort of

[dawn ice]

id say he400se then

[mild gale]

what about

Hd560S

are those good?

[dawn ice]

there good, but he400se are superior in most ways

[lean grove]

Yeah.

[lean grove]

Not really

[unique wind]

he400se is only better if you eq it

[lean grove]

It's only better if you have a constant background program and install a bunch of software to make it all work together

Oh and windows updates might break it so you'll need to start over every 3-6 months

[dawn ice]

you dont need to eq he400se

[unique wind]

it’s listenable without eq but it’s worse than 560s and 6xx without it

[lean grove]

The pc37x from drop is also a good cheaper alternative. And it comes with a mic.

[dawn ice]

do people really still shill 6xx in 2024?

[lean grove]

Its still the best, unfortunately

Oh hello brushed

What server did you post the screenshot in, flaze

[dawn ice]

what?

[high steeple]

It's one of the least offensive headphones that the average person would be like yeah that sounds good

I came to this server for GPU advice

[lean grove]

If I see a member of the discord hifi chiming in for a conversation I assume someone posted a screenshot

My b flaze

[dawn ice]

probably becasue they dont know any better lol. 6xx has been inferior even to its own senny product stack the day it came out, and its certainly not class leading in any way now

[lean grove]

I mean. No... Lol...

[high steeple]

I agree

[lean grove]

6xx is still better than a lot of headphones out there.

Easily.

[high steeple]

I personally wouldn't buy any senns

The only one id even consider is HE60

[lean grove]

There are tons of people who have tried "better" and still use the 6xx every day. I'm one of them.

Like pretty much every headphone at canjam was worse than the 6xx in some way.

[dawn ice]

i mean, there are also tons of people who have tried better but still use the airpod pro's. that doesnt really say much

[lean grove]

Air pods pro are actually good too

So more power to them

[unique wind]

20 year old affordable headphones and they’re still in the top 0.1% for treble performance

[lean grove]

What's funny is that before I heard the 6xx I bought planar memes, stax memes. And then I bought a 6xx and now all of it is gathering dust on a shelf.

[dawn ice]

6xx has no treble wdym lol

[lean grove]

Ah. Yes. More treble is more better.

[high steeple]

That's technically the Harman curve

V shape

[unique wind]

deaf audiophiles demanding 2k dips and boosts in the high treble

[lean grove]

My music doesn't have any stage so I have to add my own by sucking out the mids

[high steeple]

Moar base moar treble more better

That's Harman

[lean grove]

Who's Harman

[dawn ice]

i mean, if you have a wierd preff towards the 6xx then thats fine, but its objectively crap all round, and especially for the money

just how it is

[lean grove]

"weird preff" is actually "normal"

You guys are the weird ones

[unique wind]

if you were actually an objectivist then you wouldn’t be calling the 6xx shit and you wouldn’t be recommending that people use the he400se without eq

[dawn ice]

its got passable vocals but thats about it

[lean grove]

It has unmatched vocals at this price point.

Like. Frankly you're just making things up at this point.

[lean grove]

Objectivity can be arbitrary if you define your objectives.

As long as something adheres perfectly to your stupid rules you can be as objective as possible

[high steeple]

I don't waste time on entry level stuff anymore so I can't be bothered to keep up with fotm stuff anymore

[lean grove]

How many months has the 6X0 been popular again

At least 1-2 decades worth of months?

[high steeple]

Idk it's been irrelevant to me since it came out

[unique wind]

same i just use my endgame IEMs (truthear nova)

[lean grove]

3 if you count the 580 as a 6X0?

[unique wind]

i don’t waste my time with poor measuring meme iems

[dawn ice]

6xx is literally just a worse 540g my guy

and 540g is extremely situational and sucks at 99% of music

[high steeple]

I mean the klipschorn has been in production for 70 years

[lean grove]

The 400se is just a worse version of getting hit in the balls with a massive boot. And MAN I hate getting hit in balls.

[high steeple]

Just because something's been in production a long time doesn't make it good

[lean grove]

(I am making false comparisons to make.my argument easier)

[dawn ice]

i mean, he400se are better in pretty much every way to 6xx so you kinda have to lol

[unique wind]

funny how i own the 400se and do not own the 6xx but here i am defending the 6xx

i’d rather use the 400se with eq personally but the treble is better on the sennies

[dawn ice]

i mean, if you want to eq then go for it, tuning is a very prefferencial thing

[lean grove]

Ah. Right. That's the secret Michael

Tuning is subjective.

[dawn ice]

you saying its not?

[lean grove]

Thats why it's irrelevant to objectivity

[high steeple]

Btw just so it's clear I'm not defending he400se either hifiman products are all garbage

[unique wind]

tuning is subjective even tho it’s been proven that people prefer linear speakers in blind tests

and prefer harman for headphones in blind tests

[high steeple]

The average person also says man this thing has so much bass you can tell how good it is

[lean grove]

Its the meat and potatoes of a headphone. If you're saying a headphone sucks but tuning is irrelevant that's like saying a meal sucks because the salt shaker at the table was the wrong color.

[dawn ice]

that all depends on your age, lvl of hearing loss, and the specific music you listen to. Its all subjective at the end of the day, even if statistically, people will gravitate more towards the harman curve

[lean grove]

Like the whole reason the 6xx is goated is because of the tuning

And how agreeable it is to just about everything.

[unique wind]

you do have the freedom to prefer objectively worse equipment i suppose

that is your right

[dawn ice]

well, tuning isnt illelevant, i dont think you need to eq he400se. The only headphone ive tried that literally needs eq to not sound fucked was the new meze empy lol

[high steeple]

Most average people equate bass quantity to quality of overall sound

[lean grove]

I've bought all the soundstage memes, and that chase ended when I heard the 6xx because the 6xx was the first headphone that actually sounded like speakers.

[dawn ice]

its got reverse V tuning, so even by popular vote its not what most people preffer. And its extremely weak when it comes to technical capabilities, not to mention that it has no sub bass

[unique wind]

meze empy looks like it’d be pretty good with eq

[dawn ice]

6xx does not sound leka speakers xD youre actually trolling now man, cmon

[unique wind]

the measurements are very smooth, the tonal balance is just wrong

[dawn ice]

it might, ive only tried them as is, and they sounded incredibly fucked tonally

which is wierd, since empy v1 had very agreeable tuning

[unique wind]

oh were you not talking about v1?

[dawn ice]

v1 is fine... its overpriced for what it is, but tuning is agreeable.... the new v2 one tho... oh man, its got more detail, but the tuning is extremely cursed

[high steeple]

You know this might be a hot take but I think it's really funny how how so many people try to make objective claims about a completely subjective hobby

[dawn ice]

yah, hifi is extremely subjective

i dont really care about all the objective memes, i just try gear and see what i think of it

[unique wind]

your enjoyment is subjective, the performance of equipment in relation to standard targets is not

[lean grove]

Oh it absolutely does. In the sense of sounding natural. Treble and mids have nothing to complain about.

And that's considering I've owned sigmas and k1k

[high steeple]

But what are the targets?

[lean grove]

Then why are you suggesting things that are gonna be subjectively worse for most people.