audio-tech

[graceful canopy]

they’re 20% off rn

[young needle]

I'd have to check again, I have a match for the seiren mini to a nt1 here somewhere

[tawdry gale]

Thats in pounds though

[young needle]

Math is pretty math

[graceful canopy]

fair enough, 200 gbp is my budget

[haughty girder]

nvm that's definitely not 130usd

[tawdry gale]

If only u had the money for this

[graceful canopy]

idk why but when i talk about prices i usually default to saying usd

[tawdry gale]

https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Sennheiser-HD-650-Audiophile-Open-Dynamic-Headphones/351N?origin=product-ads&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_-GxBhC1ARIsADGgDjtBYUWGvf1vEfUlJ7AhYvhibE-J_iP5N_yI07WI85bU-AXoaDCzemIaAtw4EALw_wcB

What a bargain

229 quid

Usually 345

Quid

[graceful canopy]

that’s insane

[young needle]

I might bag that lol

Nvm nvm

[tawdry gale]

Ur in uk?

[young needle]

No LOL

I'll check Sweetwater or Amazon later

[young needle]

Me in the biggest state out of the states of the Emuricas

[tawdry gale]

@graceful canopy if u can strech, get this instead

[haughty girder]

but he needs mic

[tawdry gale]

3 dollar lav

[young needle]

Rral

[haughty girder]

lmfao

[young needle]

Real

[tawdry gale]

Its worth it

[young needle]

Get a movo lav

[haughty girder]

I mean worst comes to worst he can get a Epos Game One

[tawdry gale]

Why

[haughty girder]

it's just the Senn branded PC37x

and it's cheap af

[graceful canopy]

i can probs get the mic and wait till i have a bit more money so i can get both

[haughty girder]

or at least it's cheap in NA

[tawdry gale]

Why miss out on such a bargain though

[haughty girder]

wait

are you comfortable with used

[graceful canopy]

it’s not a discounted deal

it’s just their pricing

[haughty girder]

check facebook marketplace/offerup or whatever y'all got

[graceful canopy]

nah

my shit is disgusting

[haughty girder]

fair enough

[graceful canopy]

so idk abt other ppl

realistically speaking what is a good mic for 50-70

[young needle]

We talkin usebby

Or analooger

[young needle]

Js get seiren mini

Fr

[tawdry gale]

I dont think gear4music will have much hd650 in stock soon, 2020 christmas, hd600 was sold out in 2 weekz as it was 239 quid on senn main store

[haughty girder]

^

[tawdry gale]

Hd600 stopped having stock for like a month

[graceful canopy]

dang

ig i could as friends for a loan or smt

a full factor microphone is something i really want

[tawdry gale]

Sieren mini

[young needle]

[graceful canopy]

razer software makes me cringe

[young needle]

Don't use razer software

Hook it up to a daw like a true nerd

LOL

(90% sure the sieren doesn't need any special software besides drivers, if even that)

[graceful canopy]

i mean jsut bc i’m going over budget doesn’t mean stuff needs to change

i can pull some strings with money in the short term to get everything easily

i just don’t want to be upgrading in the future and want stuff to last

thus if there is anything better than a sieren mini for more, i’d like to know

[young needle]

Idk bro, if you process it you can get the sieren sparklin man

I'm not sure what the others think, kinda sleepy rn

[haughty girder]

Don't install the drivers

[tawdry gale]

I guess hd650 + blue ember mic then

[haughty girder]

Most (pretty much all) USB mics and interfaces are just USB Class 1/2 devices. And USB being Universal serial bus means that pretty much anything with USB will work with it if the OS allows it

[young needle]

Blue ember be xlr

What does he have to drive the 650's?

[haughty girder]

HD650 can be driven off just about everything, tbh

[young needle]

Alr

[tawdry gale]

Anything can drive 650

[graceful canopy]

what

[haughty girder]

The entire thing about headphones and iems "needing power" is really blown out of proportion

very few actually need an amp

[young needle]

Alr alr

[tawdry gale]

Like he6 og

That thing needs so much power

But so good

And u cant buy it anymore

💀

[graceful canopy]

what does it mean that i have to power it

[young needle]

Headphones job is to turn electrical energy into acoustic

Some have different resistance levels and other stuff, efficiencies than others

[tawdry gale]

Sensitivity and impedance, but mostly sensitivity

[young needle]

Mb

Lol

I'm on a flip phone

[lean grove]

There was one guy in here a while ago and his mobo was doing something like 100-200 mV

Complained it was too quiet.

So I'd say almost anything

[young needle]

At what ohm?

[tawdry gale]

His mobo weak

[lean grove]

Irrelevant to voltage

[lean grove]

Yeah. Idk who's making a source that weak these days.

[young needle]

Oh alr

[lean grove]

It has to be intentional

[graceful canopy]

so what is the capability of powering headphones based off of?

what motherboard u have?

[lean grove]

Motherboards don't publish this information so it's pretty much a guess

But most headphones it's not something you need to worry about

If you're spending $200 on headphones though you can probably shell out an extra $15 for a dongle that can do 2 volts. Which will be more than enough for 99% of headphones

[tawdry gale]

^

A dongle that can output 0.5-1 V can drive hd650 very loud

[graceful canopy]

i see

all ik is i have a z690-pro by MSI

[lean grove]

I have never seen a motherboard advertise how much power the headphone jack puts out

So knowing the make and model isn't gonna tell you anything

Just assume it's probably okay.

[graceful canopy]

am i tweaking or is there no 3.5mm connector on my mobo

[tawdry gale]

U can use an adaptor

[lean grove]

Number 5 has a bunch of 3.5mm connectors

[graceful canopy]

and the 650’s are 6.3mm

[lean grove]

You can take the 6.3mm off

And a 3.5mm is underneath

[tawdry gale]

Has 3.5mm too

[graceful canopy]

ohh

[graceful canopy]

which would i use

[lean grove]

I think Green

[digital trout]

Consult your mobos manual to know which specific port is for headphones.

[haughty girder]

Standard is green for Headphone out

Location is also standard for motherboard headers

[elder thistle]

I would neither use an hd560s but especially not a k371 in almost all games for any sort of competitive advantage over other options

k371 doesn't image well in the first place and has poor instrument separation

also poor noise isolation

if you want formidable noise isolation, that's probably the senn. hd280 pro (which has outstanding imaging in cs2)

just beware of clamp force

something I see a lot of open backs screw up is rear imaging (telling if a sound is behind you) and how obvious the location of a sound is in general

[haughty girder]

HD280Pro... clamp force?

bro that headphone is so bad

[elder thistle]

that said, open backs can more easily be designed to give a more pinpoint location. and they can better help unclutter a lot of sounds at once

[haughty girder]

It's dark, it's muddy, it's built like garbage

it seals like the SRH440 and doesn't sound half as good

plus the ksc75 blows it out of the water

[elder thistle]

nah

if you want, I can provide recordings of how much different headphones (closed or open, I have all that were discussed thus far) block out background noise

that is a very practical use of my rig

you may find some open backs still satisfactory

also just recordings of the headphones' sound in general, which would be relative to your existing headphones

gets more complicated

[warm scarab]

he could like just look at rtings tests

[lone lake]

Cant be open back

[elder thistle]

any particular games you'll be playing the most?

[lone lake]

All comp fps

[elder thistle]

hm...

different games' sound engines have different ways they portray the location of sounds (this is called a lot of things, I'll call it HRTF processing). it tries to mimick the way sounds IRL would sound to each ear after they encounter your head. and a big factor in how these things sound to us is our ear shapes

but our earshapes are not the exact same per person. and botha given pair of headphones and the sound they produce will interact with the ears a little differently

meaning our ability to hear the direction of sounds in all games requires a headphone that's hopefully more versatile in this, plus a little bit of luck

and the sound engines must not suck

I would say the hyperx cloud II is one such versatile headphone, at least to my ears and definitely to other people I know's ears

but it's kinda cheap, and will still sound like you only used half your budget

the audio technica ath-m50x is another versatile headphone that I'd say did a bit better in being precise about locations and not crowding sounds together too much. but most people in this server despise that headphone as (I believe) they're in the group of users that's unlucky and the way it interacts with their ears causes legendary levels of sound changes for the worse

I would not even mention it if it weren't for the performance it personally gave me. though of course lots of people hear the m50x as precise, detailed, separated sounds

[lone lake]

Ye thats the first headset i bought for pc

[elder thistle]

oh nice

[lone lake]

Now running the logitech pro x or whatever its called, only good thing about it is the mic quality is decent

[elder thistle]

any thoughts on what you liked or disliked about the cloud II?

[lone lake]

Its been a while so the last thing i remember using them on was warzone and using loudness eq, honestly im really bad at telling the difference with audio so can only say i liked it because of the convenience of the mic

[elder thistle]

oh ok

[lone lake]

That’s purely the reason i wanted to go for a headset was due to the convenience of a mic but obviously now im upgrading i see that headsets are mostly overpriced shit

[elder thistle]

the m50x clones can do that with a $20 v-moda boompro mic that plugs right in

so can all of the mackie headphones except the mc100

but as far as closed backs go, none of these are going to be a massive improvement

[lone lake]

Ah i see

So it’s probably not worth right now then i guess

[frosty ocean]

How hard is it to record from the speaker connections of a receiver?

Maybe i should just splice some wires and test it on a cheap device

[warm scarab]

outputs?

what are you trying to do

[haughty girder]

Agreed... what are you trying to do

[frosty ocean]

Decode and test for pro logic channels

[warm scarab]

i don't think recorders may not be suitable for non line level signals

[frosty ocean]

I have a cheap m-audio interface. That might work

[warm scarab]

try

I don't think you can damage it

[frosty ocean]

"decoding pro logic is easy. All you need is a 200 dollar decoder with rca out"

[warm scarab]

I'm a bit lost here

what do you mean decode

[frosty ocean]

the next issue is recording all the channels. Ill probably need to do multiple passes because i think all my rquipment is stereo at best

[frosty ocean]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Pro_Logic

[warm scarab]

This is the dac thing that allow wireless transmission right?

[frosty ocean]

What? No. It's the early surround encoding that uses a stereo rca/phono output to send audio to a capable receiver, that can then interpret the audio as discreet surround channels

[frosty ocean]

Is it bad if I use an unbalanced jack for recording and end up connecting two wires?

does the Ohm indicator on a speaker line indicate how much impedence is already on the line...or how much impedence the speaker should have?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/413lVprNy7L._SL1200_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81U9ZZRfmQS._AC_SL1500_.jpg

I think I like this one a little more

Is black or red common? or does it matter?

[warm scarab]

if your amp is balanced, joining the grounds will break it

if your amp is single ended, it wont break

and you can't tell it's which without testing some things

look it up online

[frosty ocean]

can i just assume my cheap amp isnt balanced?

[warm scarab]

id not be too sure

[frosty ocean]

is it a comman thing listed?

now i gotta find my model number

[warm scarab]

google how to find it

there are a lot of ways

[frosty ocean]

but only onw way counts

[graceful canopy]

can you detach the sennheiser hd595 6.3mm jack to make it 3.5mm?

or do i need to buy an adapter

looked thru my basement and found it in good condition

[warm scarab]

try pulling on it see if it comes off

[graceful canopy]

alright

and do they compare with the headphones in todays market

ik they’re quite old

[warm scarab]

cant say i know them very well but

I wouldn't expect much

[graceful canopy]

for reference i have a Hyper X cloud stinger wireless

[warm scarab]

just try them man

[tawdry gale]

Yes

hd280 pro sound ass

[tawdry gale]

no

[graceful canopy]

would it be better than my current HyperX headset?

[warm scarab]

bro try

you got the thing in your hands

[graceful canopy]

u can’t remove the 6.3mm jack

[warm scarab]

L

[frosty ocean]

You mean 6.35103458mm?

[frosty ocean]

Maybe I can buy a new reciever from goodwill and use that

it would seem the only problem is balanced is a feature, and that's the one I don't want. And I can't search for unbalanced

[cinder slate]

Twist like you’re unscrewing it

[tawdry gale]

buy a 6.3 to 3.5mm

[frosty ocean]

buy 6.3 to 2.5 and then get a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter

[tawdry gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635068659315900416/1133539620374720554/IMG_6261.jpg?ex=663b6049&is=663a0ec9&hm=f4a7ea6279d9a97f16ffdca274c68419c5bfb07b087f5697e56099924e6a85b0&

yes the double adaptor

[frosty ocean]

Is that some weird screw connector to the 2 pin thing¿

[tawdry gale]

no, there are just 2 adaptors

[frosty ocean]

Speaking of possibly balanced earbuds...
Are balanced jacks typically 2.5mm?

[tawdry gale]

mostly 4.4mm

[frosty ocean]

Frick...

[tawdry gale]

which iem u have?

u dont need to run balanced for 99% of iems on a portable source anyways

iems are really easy to power

[frosty ocean]

Probably not even iems. Just some cheap buds

[tawdry gale]

in ear or flathead

[frosty ocean]

Ie

[tawdry gale]

all in ears are iems

[frosty ocean]

But they aren't even ips or oled

[tawdry gale]

why u talking about oled screen

anything that has a silicon tip/rubber tip is an iem

if it doesnt, its an earbud

[frosty ocean]

Did someone murder the pro audio engineer of 20 years!?
Was it Boeing?

[frosty ocean]

It was a bad joke. Monitor

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/Earphone-Senlee-Monitors-1Dynamic-Balanced/dp/B0859GLYP6/

[tawdry gale]

oh kz

💀

[frosty ocean]

I told you they were cheap

[tawdry gale]

upgrade to 20 buck one

oh nvm its 20 buck

[dry harbor]

If you want some cheap pro IEMs, look at Shure

[tawdry gale]

upgrade to a good 20 buck iem

[tawdry gale]

that was 10 years ago

[dry harbor]

Oh we’re not talking IEMs if you’re talking 20-dollar range lol — those are earbuds mah dudes

[frosty ocean]

I don't have 500 dollars to spend on earbuds. Sorry

[tawdry gale]

iem

[dry harbor]

Enjoy the journey

[tawdry gale]

earbuds = flatheads

there are good budget iems now

unlike 5 years ago

[dry harbor]

Don’t get earbuds or “IEMs” if you want cheap AND good sound quality. Duh. Beyerdynamic 770s — get the 80 Ω version for big bass

[tawdry gale]

💀

[tawdry gale]

Budget IEM Recommendation List
< $30
Truthear Hola (warm) - discontinued
7Hz-Salnotes Zero (bright)
7Hz x crinacle Salnotes Zero:2 (neutral with Bass emphasis)
Tanchjim One (warm-neutral) - for tiny ears/bullet IEMs enjoyers
Tangzu Wan’er S.G. (Jade Green version if possible) (“balanced" with upper mids energy)

< $60
Truthear Zero: RED (neutral/mid-forward)
BLON x HBB Z300 (warm) - Truthear Hola alternative
Artti T10 (bright V-shape)
Kiwi Ears Cadenza (bright-neutral) - for those who want a comfortable set but want the cable over the ears

< $100
Truthear Hexa (neutral) - for those who don't care about low quality Bass
Letshuoer DZ4 (neutral/mid-forward)
Artti R1 (warm/bassy neutral)
Etymotic ER2SE/XR (bright/neutral) - for people who want the best isolation
Tripowin x HBB Olina SE (Mild V-shape) - discontinued

(side note: discontinued means that it is not produced anymore, it doesn't mean that it's unavailable)

[dry harbor]

Buying trash off the street practically expecting great sound quality in a tiny fingernail for 20 dollars lmao

[tawdry gale]

shure iems are ass

now

[dry harbor]

Agreed but I’m offering a better option than something that would come with a flip phone

[tawdry gale]

Id rather get a good 20 buck iem than get a shure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716071469724991508/1231288273096278117/CrinGraph.png?ex=663baf90&is=663a5e10&hm=86c369f252dec3213fad30cfa8eed7ae35831582534364de016524503365f85c&

i mean what is wrong with them

why there big and wide dip in 3k-4k range, and then huge landslide at 10k

[dry harbor]

Real IEMs are made using physical or digital molds of the listener’s actual ears; they attenuate outside sounds (passive noise cancellation) to almost nothing by just inserting them. Quit calling earbuds “IEMs” no matter what some random Amazon/Temu/eBay page tells you. For example, see https://pro.ultimateears.com

[frosty ocean]

How do you figure?

[dry harbor]

“+” & “-“ pins clearly labeled. Only ground pin is on shared connector

[tawdry gale]

no lol, the best iem in the world rn doesnt even have a custom option

[dry harbor]

Okay right on. Curious, how many gigs you played with ‘em?

[frosty ocean]

So that's a 4 channel audio connector ?

[tawdry gale]

iems are not only for gigs, u know?

iems are really popular due to how well they isolate sound

much better than closed backs and also how portable they are

[frosty ocean]

Does anyone have a balanced plug they can take a picture of ?

[dry harbor]

No joke

I do. It’s 5 pin and it’s a barrel connector.

[frosty ocean]

Like a DC connector ?

[dry harbor]

Either that or balanced mono TRS or XLR

[frosty ocean]

Pic?

[dry harbor]

4-pin XLR but it’s not “balanced”!!!!! Just more isolated

[warm scarab]

except for when it is

[dry harbor]

Example

With headphones, having a shared ground with each speaker having its own "+" and "-" does not make it balanced audio. Balanced audio specifically involves sending two inverse copies of the signal, so that any noise picked up along the way can be cancelled out at the destination. This requires each signal to be carried on two completely separate wires plus a ground, making a total of three connections per channel.

In typical headphone setups with a shared ground:

• The left channel has a wire for its positive signal and shares the ground with the right channel.
• The right channel has a wire for its positive signal and shares the same ground.

This setup is unbalanced because there is no separate inverse signal for each channel that can be used to cancel out noise. The shared ground wire carries the return currents from both channels, which can lead to crosstalk and other issues that you wouldn't typically see in a truly balanced audio setup.

[frosty ocean]

I'm not used to metric, but that doesnt look like 4.4mm

[warm scarab]

dt770? 2010 called they want their headphones back

[dry harbor]

I don’t know how else I can make this any more clear.

[frosty ocean]

a picture of your 4.4mm plug?

[warm scarab]

dt770 have been outdated since companies put in active effort to find the harman target

[dry harbor]

Only some of the most famous artists I’ve worked with tell me they’re the best cans they’ve ever used for a whole day but what do I know

[warm scarab]

it isn't the job of an artist to pursuit audio

[dry harbor]

Basically every artist actually

[warm scarab]

that's the job of an audiophile and golden ears ironically enough

[tawdry gale]

well beyer are good for people in the older generation, as they cant hear the treble

[warm scarab]

being a producer has nothing to do with this

[frosty ocean]

No. It's the job of the artist to create art

[dry harbor]

Yeah too bad I don’t know anything about good audio

Or musicianship

[warm scarab]

you aren't a dumbass beacuse ive spoken to you

but you must know what the harman overears target is

you know that particular research which found the target response that most people agree is the ideal sound

[tawdry gale]

I'm looking forward when they use the 5128 system to launch a new harman target

[warm scarab]

at least when it comes to the particular driver types they tested

[warm scarab]

same

I also await the day where they utilize good planars

[frosty ocean]

im just gonna google pictures and lament as all the pictures look exactly what I found

[warm scarab]

lcd-2 gets good with eq but what if its something inherently nice sounding

[tawdry gale]

he6 og, but discontinued 💀

why would they stop production of such a good product

[warm scarab]

they could try flagships

[warm scarab]

too fragile

[tawdry gale]

but it had bass slam of a dd

[warm scarab]

also they rebranded it as susvaras

with more reliability

[tawdry gale]

susvara bass is eh

[warm scarab]

ez 5400$ glitch

[warm scarab]

it doesn't abitrarily kill itself

so idk

[dry harbor]

Back to Dolby Renderer … ✌🏼

[warm scarab]

@dry harbor

we went past the dt770 barrier sometime back

[dry harbor]

Beyers fatigue less in my experience but it’s all taste — have a great day all!

[tawdry gale]

how lol

I guess maybe older ears

[warm scarab]

by having less fatiguing regions the akgs were more tiring?

maybe the lower treble incentivizes higher volume

which tires him out

idk

[tawdry gale]

I cant use dt770 for more than 2 minutes

its too peaky

[warm scarab]

I was a bit excited when going to demo them

[dry harbor]

Maybe that -15 dB dip at 4k has something to do with it lol ✌🏼

[tawdry gale]

sssshshshshsshsss in my ear

[warm scarab]

had my og arias on

[frosty ocean]

one thing that seems odd is that im pretty sure the malanced jack was smaller than the 3.5mm jack on my device...oh well

[warm scarab]

i placed the arias down

put dt770

instant gaming headset quality

put them down in like 30 seconds

[frosty ocean]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41HCCOqw2IL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

is that 2.5mm?

[warm scarab]

its 4.4 i think

[dry harbor]

Yes and that’s some weird stuff you folks are buying

[warm scarab]

you are buying decades old headphones who's marketing demographic was people who wanted reliable and cheap headphones

dt770s were never intended for hifi audiences

[tawdry gale]

well hd600 is still good

[warm scarab]

it was for studios

[frosty ocean]

isnt 4.4 larger than 3.5...

[warm scarab]

the other is 6.3 then?

[frosty ocean]

again. im not used to metric...

[tawdry gale]

its 2.5mm

[warm scarab]

i thought large one is 6.3 other is 4.4

maybe 3.5 and 2.5

but 2.5 balanced is like

odd

[frosty ocean]

Considering how often I've succefuly plugged in 3.5mm headphones into that jack...i would say no

[warm scarab]

would have helped to mention that beforehand

lol

[frosty ocean]

yeah. i thought it was odd

[warm scarab]

is that a fiio

[frosty ocean]

yeah. it's BTR5

but mine is the old model

[warm scarab]

yeah its 2.5

balanced

[frosty ocean]

I got it for 20 dollars at a used shop...in box...pretty much new

[warm scarab]

its bit more than what id pay but

good purchase i think

[tawdry gale]

good price

[warm scarab]

actually nvm

[frosty ocean]

So here's a question...what the heck is the point of obsessing over the improvements of balanced audio when you're using a blutooth adapter...

[warm scarab]

i confused it with btr3

20$ is worth it

[warm scarab]

because its weak

[tawdry gale]

if u want stuff to be louder

balanced

[warm scarab]

balanced allows you to drive stuff harder than single ended

[frosty ocean]

it works as a PC DAC too...so maybe for that?

[warm scarab]

no its for making stuff louder

[tawdry gale]

its a dac/amp

btr5

[warm scarab]

if you have an insensitive headphone, rather than making the single ended port more powerful, its smarter to add balanced instead

[frosty ocean]

yes, it also amp...the usb port does not have pre-amp

[warm scarab]

it has one inside

[tawdry gale]

dac/amp = dac + amp

in one

[warm scarab]

its an integrated amp

pre-amp + receiver amp

[frosty ocean]

yes, the headphone amp has an amp. i know this

[warm scarab]

ok what is the issue then

[frosty ocean]

there was an issue?

[warm scarab]

no we are trying to decipher this statement

[frosty ocean]

without an amp, the audio levels would be silent or so quiet they wouldnt be audible

[warm scarab]

but it has one inside?

[frosty ocean]

yes

it would be a good idea

esp since one of its main functions is being a headphone amp

[tawdry gale]

and a dac

[warm scarab]

an amp is a main function of a headphone amplifier

[tawdry gale]

if ur using it wirelessly

[warm scarab]

yes i agree

[frosty ocean]

which i mentioned in the first place

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

im so lost

[frosty ocean]

i forget if i tried to see if i could us it using USB mode on my phone

[warm scarab]

do you know what a dac does

[frosty ocean]

of course i do. it converts d to a

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61rGj1RGFTS._SL1500_.jpg

[warm scarab]

okay

also is the picture related

[tawdry gale]

thats a trrs

[frosty ocean]

it looks like a 2.5mm balanced plug...

tell me it's not so i can cry myself to sleep

[warm scarab]

it should be

unless they wired it funny

which they shouldn't have

[tawdry gale]

trrs is mic cable though

[warm scarab]

its also used for balanced?

[tawdry gale]

I think

[warm scarab]

4 channels

2x positive 2x negative

its other end is the sennheiser shit

so it should be a balanced cable

[frosty ocean]

looks like what my cheap eabuds use

[warm scarab]

nvm

[tawdry gale]

upgrade from kz man

buy good 20 buck iem

[warm scarab]

also yeah what the fuck do you need balanced cable for

its an iem

works off of anything

not like SE of btr5 is like garbage

plenty for an iem

[frosty ocean]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51CqyhvVa3L._AC_SL1000_.jpg

[warm scarab]

yeah its 0.78 or 0.75

probably prior

but you dont need this

its an iem

that thing was meant for headphones with low sensitivity

[frosty ocean]

i think calling these an IEM is being way too kind...

[warm scarab]

no it isnt

bad ones too probably

[tawdry gale]

its just a bad iem

[warm scarab]

connecting an iem to a balanced output is a shit idea

just makes the volume steps larger

so you cant get to a good volume easily

[frosty ocean]

thanks

[warm scarab]

np

i tried speaker tapping iems before for funnies before

the volume was impossible to adjust

[warm scarab]

you moved the knob like 5 degrees right and the thing just jumped like 10db

[frosty ocean]

If I really wanted to be cheap. I could just splice the cable the came with the "iem"s and solder it to a trrs connector

[tawdry gale]

google said in ears = iem

[warm scarab]

dude

its literally a downgrade stop

[frosty ocean]

you cant make me

but you know what will stop me?

[warm scarab]

a gun

and a home invasion

[tawdry gale]

buying a new iem

[frosty ocean]

the fact that i'll forget this whole thing in about 8 hours and never remember until months later

and procradtination

[warm scarab]

@tawdry gale

[frosty ocean]

spelling!

[warm scarab]

this is so epic

a red blooded brave take

dropping reality bombs

[tawdry gale]

lol

[frosty ocean]

well. this was fun

I'm gonna have some fun

[graceful canopy]

what is a good mic + mic arm for 50 gbp? (expandable by like 10-20)

[elder thistle]

good wire

[frosty ocean]

I'm planning on using the solid core wire to replace the existing "business end" wire of my lighter so it doesnt burn itself so quickly

[elder thistle]

not really sure what will happen in that case

I just tried a few different 22 gauge spools and remington was my favorite. insulation easy to strip but durable against strain and being bumped with my iron. core was tinned

held shape and hard to snap by bending it

tube straightenizer

[frosty ocean]

The existing wire is absolute shit, so it'll be a nice upgrade. And it only costs 1-2x the cost of the lighter

[elder thistle]

you will give this lighter superpowers

[frosty ocean]

basicly what i did before was I removed the piece that held the wires at a distance where they always made an arc. Which is how the lighter lights things

but now I can spread the wires so they don't arc...then apply it to things and it makes the electricity run through that thing

great for pranking old people(this is a joke, do not run voltage across and old person's chest)

"The arc lighter runs on a rechargeable lithium battery. A high-voltage booster circuitry is employed to raise the low voltage from the battery (3.7V) to a high voltage of 7KV near the frequency of 15kHz"

[wheat moss]

50-70 pounds for a mic AND mic arm? Good luck lol

[livid ruin]

a t669 would do the job

[frosty ocean]

Is this going on your head? How strong is your neck?

[wheat moss]

[graceful canopy]

someone recommended me a fifine AM8

[elder thistle]

you can get something like that for less than 50USD

[quaint drift]

i still enjoy the bass on my airpods pro 2

cant beat the convenience either

[deep zodiac]

Does anyone have any recommendations for some nice sounding speakers that are max of 9 inches in height and around £100-150? They won't be used for productivity, just for general viewing, gaming and just general desktop usage. I was looking at the PreSonus Eris 3.5's but then I heard that for general listening they can be a bit flat and not so pleasant.

the height restriction is because im low on space so they are going to go underneath my monitor

[tawdry gale]

airpods pro 2 is good

[slim mason]

bass

[spark pier]

I'm looking to replace my VERY old Roland Cakewalk UA-1G audio interface (about 10 years old, was $99 when I got it). Device has no driver support on Windows 11.
I play synth keyboard, everything from classic, to blips and bloops, and was eyeing the Motu M2 / M4 over the Scarlett 2i2 based on my reading. I think the M2 is perfect for me playing synth alone and doing my thing, but if there's any benefit to the M4's extra outputs for $60~ more, I'm all ears, as that's not much extra. Really looking to exceed this $200-$250 price range, as I only play as a hobby. Synth is a Korg X50 for now, will upgrade eventually. Thoughts?

https://motu.com/de/products/m-series/m2/

[elder thistle]

well I love my m4

i would die without the extra io

but its hard to explain outright

[warm scarab]

motu m2 is pretty good

go for it if it covers your needs

and avoid scarlett at all costs

[spark pier]

M2 definitely covers my needs, just wondering what kind of scenarios might make me want the M4, as $60 extra isn't much for something I can't get after the fact.

But, it's just me and the synth. I have a buddy who plays guitar, but we don't jam, and I imagine if we did, it wouldn't be here, and would use someone else's equipment. On the PC streaming side (games, synth, whetever), I'm not aware of anything I'd use the extra for, but just checking before I buy.

[glacial hare]

the sony WH-CH720N
or the JBL Tune 770NC
?

[molten lotus]

JBL Tune 770NC

Sony Build quality sucks

Also sound sucks

Volume manager is mediocre

[frosty ocean]

Should I bother buying a cheap sound card even if my onboard is technically the same or better?

Like, would a "known brand"'s quality be any better as a addon card than a generic onboard

for all intensive porpoises...i really shouldn't need anything better than 96KHz

[buoyant vale]

Because sample rate is the most important aspect of your output device after all

[frosty ocean]

I'd argue that Sample depth might be more important in some cases

[buoyant vale]

you mean bit depth?

[frosty ocean]

But then, the only cards i can find that are 32-bit, are also 384KHz....so it's hard to prove I value one over the other

[tawdry gale]

the jbl

[frosty ocean]

cant find any 64 or 48 bit depth cards

might have to go to specific websites

[buoyant vale]

why do you need 10000db of dynamic range?

[frosty ocean]

even at 64 bits of depth, i dont think db scales like that...but im not a professsional

[buoyant vale]

even 32bit is way overkill

[frosty ocean]

28 USd will get me 192KHz at 24 bits...which is right back where I started

[cinder slate]

And that’s perfectly fine

But it sounds like you want to buy a sound card just because you can buy a sound card

[frosty ocean]

it's more like...i wanted to get a better card, then slowly through the limits of my budget, i end up staring at something that's no better

[cinder slate]

For what purpose?

[frosty ocean]

wait, even worse. i'd be using a PCI lane

[frosty ocean]

im a degenerate

[dense ermine]

right now looking at sm58. Was also looking at at2020/2035 but sm58 seems like itll just sound better and be easier.
Opinions on potential alternatives?

maybe SE V7 MK

[cinder slate]

Depends on what it would be used for. The sm58 is most popular for live vocals

[dense ermine]

vocals, voice over recordings & gaming. Almost no background noise, not a very echoey room or anything.

v7 seems much clearer than sm58 if i go the dynamic route

[cinder slate]

I think you could get anyway with pretty much anything then. I do prefer dynamic mics though, I find you get better control over them

[frosty ocean]

Playstation Eye for under 10 dollars

[dense ermine]

lol

im gonna go with that v7

[warm scarab]

meaningless number

[warm scarab]

select 48000 not 192k

[frosty ocean]

So, i should get a card with lower specs than what I already have?

[warm scarab]

no set the windows output to 48000

[frosty ocean]

ok, i'll get right on that

[elder thistle]

16 44.1 yeah baby

mainly because why not

I could use 48k but most of what I interact with is 44.1 and windows interpolation sync rocks anyways

also smaller file sizes

actually I think it's stuck at 24 bit but that doesn't really matter

.

fun fact https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSSWNKCT

cheaper than 560s because of meme pricing

and more gooder yes very specific

52mm highly sensitive/driveable almost-hd600

shouty but otherwise not bad here. excellent bass extension

my main complaint would be the bass dynamics. it doesn't hit as hard as an hd6xx/600 or mc450

[unique wind]

shark fin treble

[livid ruin]

Damn, that peak

[elder thistle]

I am extra sensitive to 3k

on most music it hasn't been a problem

it does make the vocals pop more

but on some songs it's a little painful and I gotta dial the volume down

alice in chains

or the kids singing in brick in the wall

[olive trellis]

Man 80 ohms headphones don't draw as much power as I thought they would

This is with a dual dac

[lean grove]

headphones in general dont take much power

on average its gonna be a few mW

[serene surge]

Hot summer is coming guys, what headphones have the most air ventilation? No IEM recommendation pls they hurt my ear and they cause bone conduction which makes my voice very loud to myself and I can't hear audio.

[unborn gale]

Sony MDR-F1 and PFR-V1 or AKG K1000

Or Mysphere

Just get something open back where you can see through the earcups and into the earpads. There should be sufficient airflow.

Or ksc-75s

[haughty girder]

ohms doesn't actually change anything

More Ohms = more volts required to drive

[slim mason]

I went to check on some cats when their owners are out of town and bruh

[elder thistle]

bmw

[slim mason]

Casual 50k speaker system

[warm scarab]

they are so close to the wall man

[hollow lynx]

i used an RE20 and i'm in love with it

but i'm poor so yeah that'll never happen

also i'm doing an overhaul of my sound system here in my room and i wanted to calibrate to my room with an ECM8000 (essentially taking a FIR at my listening distance), but i heard ECM8000s have a big variability between units and aren't individually calibrated

[warm scarab]

umik-1 is what you'd use ideally

but I also use an ecm8000, it works

[olive trellis]

And how does that change nothing?

More volts required to drive means greater power draw

[warm scarab]

you still have the sensitivity of the headphone itself

if in an alternate timeline beyer didn't decide to make 3 different impedance versions of their headphones most people wouldn't even bother to think about impedance

[tender frost]

Me when the 80 and 250 ohm DT880s require about the same oomph to drive but the 250 ohm sounds better

Or simething

[warm scarab]

higher impedance is easier to drive

but like, no other headphone has a variable ohm rating except for beyers

[spring orchid]

i’m thinking about buying some noise canceling earbuds as supplementary to my bose 700 over the ear headphones. i’m deciding between the bose quiet comfort earbuds and the pixel buds pros. i assume the bose are much better but my question to the people who know way more about this than me is are they 100 dollars better?

[deep zodiac]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PreSonus-Eris-3-5-Gen-Studio-Quality/dp/B0CC36XVLM/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1AR5582KM554L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TC5S7kgYsQhH7SM16CtHcKDaZTQsxFdvl6cLQOjnS2q_1wVMMwTxIYhpwPP86uEV2SrEaM8Op6u3vBGJUSmvWGIshtOv1PjCb-HgPUnht5afQCBuaftq5Mvzg5qGqGhGDhXlH34vZgoKClLD145oQcqmkuza6nxrGZIgsSZrk_xyGjEFqMsZrkqXjqii337lLAlWAYEnwzz8mexU1PVxsRPps0LjMArB04tzY7B7Nf8DQx9dYTwV9J4NPYRNTOYoakSh90fClQxBcj9FFkTmz2fa6MAsu4Em9YmHL7zN-ks.G06iMtiRFOfFBVFZz-rZAtRUgsdB6usdFXjMuhhuU84&dib_tag=se&keywords=eris+3.5&qid=1715265005&sprefix=eris+3.5%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-5

Are these speakers good for just general desktop usage and gaming?

or would i be better off with just like creative pebbles or logitech speakers? since i know that these are studio monitors intended for a flatter response

I have some Edifier R1280Ts in my cupboard but sadly they can't fit underneath my monitor or anywhere else on my desk

[lean grove]

Presonus eris are not flat at all. I would save your money and just get the pebbles

Logitech also gets a stamp of disapproval from me. They love designing terrible speakers.

[deep zodiac]

Oh they're not flat? do they sound pleasant? I'm not mixing anything so having it not be flat is a plus so long as its a nice sound

[warm scarab]

speakers need to be somewhat flat

their in room target is a flat line that's curved slightly down

so eris aren't good for much including listening

[deep zodiac]

oh thats unfortunate, ok thank you for your help

i might just put my R1280Ts sideways under my monitor

which i know isnt optimal

[lean grove]

They overtuned their port with a really tiny woofer so what happens is they have one note bass.

[warm scarab]

if you really need something the pebbles 2.1 will do better

[lean grove]

It's an intentionally terrible decision to squeeze as much bass out of a tiny speaker and it suffers for it.

[warm scarab]

you can also invest into stands

or room eq

rather than getting some questionable speakers you have a lot of different options

[lean grove]

using what you have is always gonna be more optimal than buying something.

[warm scarab]

especially since what you want to buy is a bad item to begin with

[limber pulsar]

Is there any reason to invest in audio gear for better audios or lossless audio for a gaming PC?

Or any reason for lossless other then music and movies

[lean grove]

Better audio is better. Can be more immersive for single player games and more detail for competitive games.

And lossless is only gonna be lossless if you have the right file type. I think pretty much only movies and music use that file type. I wouldn't expect video games to use it.

[haughty girder]

"Power" = Watts, Watts = Volts x Amps

Sensitivity in a headphone is what determines how much power a headphone will need

if two headphones have the same sensitivity but different impedances, the higher impedance headphone will draw more voltage but less amps and vice versa

[lean grove]

🐭

[haughty girder]

For example: average impedance of an AKG K1000 is 155ohms, Hifiman HE6 is 50ohms and Sennheiser HD600 is 300ohms.

HD600 is far easier to drive compared to the K1k and HE6, as it has much higher sensitivity

This is on top of amplifiers being able to scale voltages much easier than current, so at a given sensitivity, higher ohms is generally easier to run as well

[haughty girder]

it's supposed to sound the same but yah damping factor changes some things

[warm scarab]

for gaming you would only realistically care about imaging

and a frequency response that is not intolerable

[haughty girder]

TBH I wouldn't even bother chasing imaging/staging for gaming

[warm scarab]

I would absolutely

r70x and anything else I have used before has been a day and night level of difference

I can confidently say I had never heard enemy locations so accurately with any other headphone or iem before

but still, its not a must or have, pros will shit on everyone else using headphones the wrong way around

[haughty girder]

No, actually

They'd play better without audio than inverted audio

[warm scarab]

I was referencing the fact that some pro wore his headphones the wrong way around

without noticing

but yeah

like audio can make you slightly better at games but its very important

[haughty girder]

but yea good imaging makes FPS games easier to get good at, but won't automatically make you a better player

[warm scarab]

yeah just a slight advantage maybe if you have enough time to listen to someone without getting shot at

[haughty girder]

Gotta practice for that

[warm scarab]

but anyhow having used hifimans, receiving audio from a direction that's not directly to your left or right or between is a huge improvement

[lean grove]

How many thousands of dollars do I need to spend on a DAC before I can become diamond

[haughty girder]

0

[lean grove]

🤯

[haughty girder]

I know immortals playing on laptops with onboard audio...

Skullcandy Crushers and HyperX Clouds

I assume you're referring to Val diamonds

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-exploding-exploding-hog-funny-idiot-gif-13702011850125732811

[haughty girder]

if it's rocket league then uh... get a headphone that sounds good for music?

[warm scarab]

so far 0 meaning no one has invested enough before

[haughty girder]

They have banger built in tracks

[warm scarab]

we haven't determined the entry floor

[olive trellis]

But that should draw more power no? Since you're increasing voltage?

[warm scarab]

voltage isn't hard to provide

[haughty girder]

Sensitivity is your anchor. Volts and amps are inversely proportional when sensitivity is the same (decibel/power).

So when Volts goes up, amps goes down

[olive trellis]

Ok so more voltage causes less amps to be drawn

[haughty girder]

think about it this way

20 = 4 times 5

20 is watts, 4 is volts and 5 is amps

if 4 gets raised to 10

20 = 10 * 2

you have the same 20 watts, but now with 10 volts you only draw 2 amps

[olive trellis]

Yup

[frosty ocean]

Is there a difference in performance or quality for something that is 5v 2a and something that is 2v 5a?

Also. I was always under the impression that volts and amps determine watts, not that watts magically restrict either. But i understand that when talking about specific watt devices that are the same it might feel like the amps or volts are changing to over the watt number

[lean grove]

Both will roughly supply 10 watts.
But generally speaking higher voltage is more efficient to step down.

And they're all connected. You make watts by applying a voltage and depending on the impedance you will get a specific current.

You can't really separate them.

[tender frost]

Neat, friend's B3 has already had to be returned

[lean grove]

What's an b3

[tender frost]

blessing 3

[frosty ocean]

But you, in reality, can't "reduce the wattage". You have to reduce the amps or volts, and that directly affects the wattage

Is there a component for stepping down amps?

[lean grove]

Correct.

[lean grove]

Transformer. Or anything that adds impedance.

[frosty ocean]

Oh. I thought a transformer reduced voltage

Or I guess also steps up voltage... So yes amps down

[frosty ocean]

Like mountain dew?
(This is a joke)

[lean grove]

What

[frosty ocean]

When you're older

[lean grove]

Are you talking about adding impedance by giving you kidney stones because you're super old and can't handle highly processed foods and drinks

Is that the joke

[frosty ocean]

Sure

[lean grove]

Okay

What

[hollow lynx]

okay so like i've been using a samson meteor for like the past 6-7 years as my main mic, and while it honestly sounds pretty decent, it has some drawbacks. i now have (when it arrives) a nice external audio interface now, which means i can get a new big boy XLR mic. if i had unlimited budget i'd have gotten an Electro-Voice RE20 years ago, but i unfortunately am not made of cash. what is a relatively cheap cardioid/supercardioid XLR mic that isn't complete garbage?

by relatively cheap i mean cheap, e.g. less than €100, even less if possible

even if it requires 48V phantom power i can do that

my sister has a live stage vocal mic from dB i think, but i don't think it'd be a good fit

i actually have a pair of playstation singstar mics and they don't even sound that bad, they're just unbalanced

[frosty ocean]

With the usb module?

[wind frigate]

My iPod 5.5 on rock box

[frosty ocean]

Awesome. I recently bought a 7th gen touch. It's absolute shit at playing music compared to rockbox

But i got a apple arcade sub and the games are ok so far

[elder thistle]

it's still on sale

[serene surge]

Please rank these three headphones for me
AKG K712 pro
Beyerdynamic DT 990 pro
Sennheiser HD560s?
For tac fps gaming and movies

[elder thistle]

if forced to choose between these 3, I would personally go with the k712 pro at least for fps games like cs2

I have the k702 though which is the same idea

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/warzone-ranked-play-warzone-top-250-ranked-top-250-warzone-max-rank-warzone-darkeon-gif-3322356194909377568

[serene surge]

what's this?

[elder thistle]

hd560s smeared some sounds together worse than expected, and it's stock tone made footsteps more dull. and while it could do some vertical imaging / sense of direction, it suffers with 45 degree vertical angles (as do a lot of headphones for me on cs2)

[lean grove]

102

💀

[elder thistle]

imaging can change based on the game and the person wearing the headphones

dt990 was bright and still precise with directions it could show, but it was really weak with rear imaging for me / hearing sounds behind me

[frozen badger]

I just got a onkyo DX-C330, is this still decent even tho it’s kinda old

[elder thistle]

I will always be able to hear stuff in cs2 with the mc450 that someone with an hd560s or k702 won't pick up

k712 wide stage similar to hd560s

or uh, the k7 design in general

hd560s will have the most bass out of all of these out of the box

but eq exists and is free

I don't really know what you personally enjoy about movie sound or want to hear the best in it, I'm just guessing

[thick totem]

I don't know where to put this let me know if there's a better channel, but I need a new mic arm stand mine broke and it wasn't a verry good one to begin with but there's so many I'm not sure what to get or if its good quality, a pop filer would be cool too, the mic I have is Audio Technica at 2020 thanks

[severe karma]

I have an elgato low profile stand and love it, its solid and does the job. Though I saw one review where the guy said it drooped... mine as a king bee 2 mic on it (large heavy mic) and it hasnt moved in a year. Pop filters... Meh, get whatever. I have a few, even a fancy and expensive metal one. The cheapest amazon special I have works best. But really with mics, 97% of the sound is your mic technique, I have a $30 Sony lav mic that sounds just as good any say my $500 DJI mic or the King Bee 2.

[elder thistle]

where did it break? if not at the base clamp thing, you might like the thicker kind like the one I have

also make sure you save any of the parts you can. they're usually universal parts and much can be reused

[thick totem]

Yeah it was at the base

I don't need Low profile but I wouldn't be against one

[haughty girder]

OK so it's a bit of a weird one, Watts generally can't be limited without digital setups or external inputs

EXCEPT in the case of drivers, because it's actually decibels/mW

decibels is the limiting

[frosty ocean]

is that actual db or dba?

im gonna assume dba

[hollow lynx]

no lol

with my own soundcard

i wanna try modding it to make it have an XLR plug at the bottom, but unless it turns out it's fantastic, i'm not using it lmfao

i need an actual decent mic

[frosty ocean]

how many do you have? what colors are they?

[hollow lynx]

i have a red and blue one

i wanna try modding my blue one with a tiny PCB powered off phantom power to make it balanced

the cable is detatchable with a screw, and the hole left is the exact size an XLR plug would have

[frosty ocean]

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_1Odum97KyPrZH-B1hX5ax4i36D-kVKSWAFPIumOW-lEZDz9rgAmYTYAxog8DYOGTPTbOG7LNnPe2IVzvqx6hO2YhBskYVGwnCGRzahLsvo2CASy3i1Dc-2ruARhByN15_-f5UHcyiKA/s1032/singstar.jpg

[hollow lynx]

i have heard people say it's really bad with its noise, but like it has a long ass cable and 3.5mm jack, i mean thats just a big antenna

i have tried it before on my desktop's mic input but it's so noisy i dont even think its the mic

[frosty ocean]

Did you open up the microphones yet?

[hollow lynx]

when my soundcard arrives i guess i'll know

yes i did

[frosty ocean]

did you find the magical rock?

[hollow lynx]

which rock

i did not

[frosty ocean]

the stone weight

[hollow lynx]

i wasnt able to open it further than removing the top and cable

but i can feel it being there

ohh found it

[frosty ocean]

dont eat it

[hollow lynx]

cant guarantee that

[frosty ocean]

my best guess is that these "microphones" had a target quality of "detects sound" or maybe even "has tonal range of 200-15000Hz"

I just like the fact that they decided that the cheapest way to weigh them is a frickin stone

[hollow lynx]

oh definitely

[frosty ocean]

go back to the place you got them and look for a "Playstation Eye". Depending on the place it might be 5-15 dollars.

[hollow lynx]

i got them 13 years ago at a gamestop

that gamestop does not exist anymore

i actually got them as discord mics to connect to my thinkpad t61

i mean VC mics

[frosty ocean]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PsITwyTOc4Y/TLyavMteDRI/AAAAAAAAAnw/zj3HMXvV3YE/s1600/Sony+Move+Omnivision+101016_move_teardown_5_700.jpg

[hollow lynx]

not specifically discord

oh it has 4 mics

well cant i just use a kinect then

i have like 6 of them

[frosty ocean]

Sure. why not. I have a XBO era kinect. works good with Windows Hello

[hollow lynx]

i have both 360 and xbox one kinect

4 xbox 360 kinects and 2 xbox one kinects

[frosty ocean]

ive never really tested the mic, but the PSEYE sounded good

[hollow lynx]

they're just fun devices

i've tested them before

they're not great

but they do their job i guess

[frosty ocean]

it's also 4 discrete channels going to the USB It's in something like a 1324 pattern though, but that's easily fixable

[hollow lynx]

it would be cool to make a DIY mic

using something like this

https://micbooster.com/jli-microphones/262-jli2555.html

singstar mic shell + this capsule + a custom XLR circuit

[frosty ocean]

Is there a special hardware needed to make a microphone balanced? Or can you just solder to the mic different?

I guess the capsule would need L R and ground seperate

I guess if the capsule was really cheap and ground was permanently tied to whatever ground usually is...

[wind frigate]

Yeah, soon I’m going to put a 4000mah battery in it and a iflash quad and a Taptic mod. It’s gonna be the Ultimate iPod 5.5

[frosty ocean]

My Note3 with 7500mAh battery is pretty fun

[hollow lynx]

you need hardware

generally unbalanced lines have a lower voltage

and they have a signal wire and a ground wire

balanced lines are kinda like ethernet

or usb

they're differential

if one wire has +1.2V, the other has -1.2V

[frosty ocean]

TP

[hollow lynx]

this makes them really resilient to interference

for this you need a little circuit added

[frosty ocean]

is it a generic circuit you can add? or it's probably cheaper and better just to buy a module meant for balanced

[hollow lynx]

generally if you have an unbalanced line and want a balanced one you can use a DI box

but it is a relatively simple circuit yes

and with phantom power you can have a single wire doing both power and signal which is nice

phantom power working by offsetting the 2 differential lines by 48V

kinda like PoE

[frosty ocean]

what are the chances that modding a module to be balanced would yield worthwhile improvements?

[hollow lynx]

it would

especially if you have a long cable run

[hollow lynx]

anyway

apparently my gf has an AT2020

she says its decent but her shitty interface is holding it back

i'll see if i like it

[warm scarab]

hard doubt

90% chance she is just far from mic

[serene surge]

audio noob here, do i need to mess around these sampling bitrate stuff?

[warm scarab]

leave it at that current setting you got

[serene surge]

like should i change it to 96000hz?

ok

[warm scarab]

no

[hollow lynx]

keep it at 48

[warm scarab]

it just does upscaling or cutting down

both of which you don't want

[hollow lynx]

yeah

[warm scarab]

48khz is the standard for 99% of the stuff out there

[hollow lynx]

i mean for the builtin interface its not likely to matter

but sure yeah

[warm scarab]

is it a usb 2020?

[hollow lynx]

no

xlr

[warm scarab]

what did you mean by builtin

or was that unrelated

[hollow lynx]

idk what interface she has, last time i went to her place looked like an old scarlett

idk

[serene surge]

my wireless earbuds use 16 bit 48000hz and they sound pretty good to my ears, is it because there's not much difference between 24bit and 16bit, or am i just built poorly and can't tell?

[hollow lynx]

was commenting on the windows screenshot

[warm scarab]

ah

I mean anyhow

just tell her to get closer to the mic

those are generally optimal for like 5-10cm use distance anyways

[ashen hatch]

anyone have any ideas on what would cause 2 way radio crippling interfeerence in my church sound booth

[warm scarab]

a lot of what ifs in this

but dont think too hard about it

just keep it at 48khz whatever bitrate

and you are good

[hollow lynx]

the builtin interface is generally pretty not good, so like having a not upsampled or downsampled signal is not likely to matter in the grand scheme of things

but like sure, every little thing matters

[ashen hatch]

any kind of radio coms are completely cut off

in this room

[warm scarab]

I don't know any radio people in this chat

[ashen hatch]

and horrible interefence in the 2.4ghz range

unless LOS

[hollow lynx]

hmm how is the structure of this church sound booth

[ashen hatch]

square

plywood as walls

no joke

[hollow lynx]

yeah, essentially the volume is really low and she has to set the gain to 100% and then her interface clips and stuff

[ashen hatch]

in an attic

or loft

[hollow lynx]

open the wifi analyzer

app on your phone

[warm scarab]

she of course shouldn't max it out

put it to like I don't know

[hollow lynx]

see how congested the 2.4ghz space is

[warm scarab]

2 o clock

3 o clock maybe

and get close to it

you can also boost it digitally

[hollow lynx]

yeah i guess

[ashen hatch]

i mean wifi works great, there is an AP up there

[warm scarab]

digital boosting is surprisingly really alright for mics

contrary to music playback

[ashen hatch]

but like

any of my radios completely lose signal

of everything

[hollow lynx]

i mean if you think about it, music is just digitally boosted microphones

[ashen hatch]

NOAA, FM

[hollow lynx]

so boosting it more would hurt it

[hollow lynx]

that's quite odd

[ashen hatch]

yes

me and my buddy cant figure it out

[hollow lynx]

does the wifi work outside

[warm scarab]

eh not always

or ideally

mic boosting is generally not harmful

[ashen hatch]

yes, they have little wifi pods everywhere

[warm scarab]

it just compresses dynamic range a bit

which is added in post

[hollow lynx]

oh no i meant from the AP that is inside

[ashen hatch]

oh idk

[hollow lynx]

or like turn off the AP inside and let yourself pick up the external ones

[ashen hatch]

its all the same network

[ashen hatch]

oh ya, will try

ill have to wait tho, not there rn

[hollow lynx]

i mean if you cannot even receive FM radio then something is blocking it

and like if something is blocking so many frequencies from outside to inside and viceversa

its gotta be a faraday cage of some sort

[ashen hatch]

yes but how

its all wood

thin wood

[hollow lynx]

like either you got a military grade spectrum jammer inside of there

[ashen hatch]

its just a wood cube

[ashen hatch]

tons of audio equipment, amps and such

[hollow lynx]

yeah but thats not likely to matter

[ashen hatch]

exactly

and like, 3 pcs

but that shouldnt matter

[hollow lynx]

i've had wireless mics work across the street in a march with 300k people and stuff

[ashen hatch]

ya we have a 2.4g receiver for the mic and a bt5 lav system

those have LOS tho

b4 we did the upgrades they had a UHF Shure system

that would drop out

alot

we are thinking of giving up as its not that important but i still would like to figure it out

[hollow lynx]

i really don't know

[ashen hatch]

ya its a mystery

[hollow lynx]

i just have a very long xlr cable for emergencies

and it does wonders

[ashen hatch]

lol

the xlr cables under the floor are damaged so thats why wireless is getting put in

[hollow lynx]

i hope they buried the cables inside a conduit

[ashen hatch]

no

[hollow lynx]

oh god

[ashen hatch]

i got a pic

hang on

[hollow lynx]

i dont even wanna see it 😭

it makes me cry

please everyone use conduits theyre good for you

they dont bite

[hollow lynx]

OHH

[ashen hatch]

ye

[hollow lynx]

its not concrete

i was thinking like concreted over some poor XLR cables

[ashen hatch]

nope

[hollow lynx]

oh okay okay

[ashen hatch]

it is a very old building

[hollow lynx]

well i'd have put a conduit but like it's fine

[ashen hatch]

its not i use anymore

we retired it lol

[hollow lynx]

i do still think that a hardwired setup (although sometimes impractical) is still the best for fixed setups

[ashen hatch]

only if the wires are not broken

[hollow lynx]

or at least it's good to have as a fallback

[ashen hatch]

we already told leadership since we are doing this as a big favor we arent replacing wires

its a weird situation we are in

[dry harbor]

Just read thread… Phew — @ashen hatch Did you finally just end up checking for continuity?

[ashen hatch]

on what

[haughty girder]

Change frequencies and hope nothing else is in there

the range of FM frequencies allocated for consumer devices is actually very narrow

[ashen hatch]

it blocks everything

like a faraday cage

[haughty girder]

What does?

[ashen hatch]

the room

[haughty girder]

Wait you aren't running a transmitter/receiver into a mixer?

[ashen hatch]

yes

i am

it has LOS

[haughty girder]

then XLR into a mixer in the room?

[ashen hatch]

but when i try to use any uhf anything it drops out really bad

[ashen hatch]

hang on

lamme make a drawin in paint

[haughty girder]

sure

[ashen hatch]

this is how the main mic is

it works fine

any other uhf signal is lost completely

[haughty girder]

Uhh

[ashen hatch]

2.4ghz has some interfeerence

[haughty girder]

Shift it around

[ashen hatch]

not much tho

[ashen hatch]

shift what

[haughty girder]

how do I explain this...

uh

[ashen hatch]

my thoughts exactly when someone asks for details on how everything is set up in the room

i know it

its just

its SO much

[haughty girder]

Glass can block and refract radio waves

[ashen hatch]

no glass

its just an open window thing

[haughty girder]

Oh

Where is the Antenna and what does it look like

[ashen hatch]

no antenna

itas just like a stub

[haughty girder]

That's probably your issue

[ashen hatch]

nonononoonononono

the new system fixes the old uhf

[haughty girder]

UHF runs 70cm antennas

[ashen hatch]

yes

we use 2.4g