audio-tech

[hearty pollen]

apparently most motherboards

[elder thistle]

I can bring it up even more but it'll start to sound goofy

[nova wagon]

an audio compressor will raise the quiet part louder and the loud part more quiet
that's the gist

[lean grove]

$15 dongle solves the problem.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E2AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

[nova wagon]

does it take mic input?

[hearty pollen]

@crimson wedge theres ur answer

[nova wagon]

i use mine with an iem that doesnt have a mic so i can't answer that myself

[lean grove]

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CX31993-Headphone-SNR128dB-Windows10/dp/B099NBWB7L

[hearty pollen]

just plug that into the mobo?

[hearty pollen]

headphones come with a separate headphone and mic input

[elder thistle]

to start you need to download and install equalizer APO from sourceforge

[lean grove]

the apple dongle and cx31993 do yes

apple dongle mic input is surprisngly decent

[lean grove]

then another dongle is needed to combine them 😩

dongles on dongles on dongles

https://tenor.com/view/dongle-copy-hasp-srm-dongle-emulator-dongle-emulator-gif-18087252119297209104

[elder thistle]

don't you just need an adapter

[lean grove]

what about the 2nd cable

that one looks like a combined trrs jack

[crimson wedge]

i have that one

[lean grove]

🤯

[elder thistle]

or skip the adapter and use one of these

[crimson wedge]

but that didnt make a difference tho

[elder thistle]

wrong image

[lean grove]

why that one

and not the other ones

[crimson wedge]

do i get this?

[elder thistle]

wait I'm lost

where is the part where someone said some headset had 2 separate cables

[crimson wedge]

it comes w 2

[lean grove]

i didnt realize there's a 2nd cable that has a combined trrs jack

you dont need a splitter

[crimson wedge]

yea

but it didnt make a differnece in audio tho

is the non split one supposed to be better?

[lean grove]

they're identical except for what you can plug them into

[crimson wedge]

I mean i got front port and back port like everyone

[lean grove]

do you have a dongle

[hearty pollen]

i have

[crimson wedge]

what dongle

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-sitcom-sexy-hey-girl-hi-gif-20385690

[hearty pollen]

to make the 2 cables into one

[lean grove]

we just agreed he doesnt need one

[elder thistle]

wait I figured it out

[crimson wedge]

I dont need one tho

I already have the second cable

thats not split

[elder thistle]

proof that this dongle works with trrs 3.5mm

this one

also that was a razer mic

[lean grove]

okay but what this one

and not the one thats been proven and measured

[elder thistle]

it's been proven by me

the other reason being the cx dongle was $16 or something

and usbc

[lean grove]

it comes with a converter

[elder thistle]

that's just one extra step with possible power issues and extra wear-and-tear

I was talking to someone 3 days ago that had serious audio issues due to a faulty usbA to usbC adapter

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-think-of-this-beetlejuice-talking-gif-17147349

[elder thistle]

and they didn't figure it out in time

something isn't right

yes

no

wait it's empty

[lean grove]

(the fosi ds1 does not have a mic input)

correct

proof of absense

[elder thistle]

hiby fc1 kinda cool

this also seems to work well with field recording

[frosty ocean]

Great, now i have to remember what causes the static in some dsd songs

[bitter rain]

anyone running astro a50's with a goxlr? just realised the usual way of connecting them via aux and a ground loop isolator doesnt transfer over any spacial audio and was wondering if anyone has a fix

[wheat moss]

why would you spend goxlr levels of money and then use an astro a50

[lean grove]

The expense of the goxlr is not from the audio hardware

[wheat moss]

cheaply made pile of trash sold for $400

didn't TC basically dump the product a few months ago?

so no support for it

[lean grove]

It's been sunsetted yeah

[wheat moss]

it looks like they're getting ready to release another version, which is bullshit tbh. support your shit or don't fucking bother making it

[lean grove]

Yes but you make more money this way

[wheat moss]

I bet the new one will still have usb-b

[bright osprey]

Has anyone tried brainwavz pads for the HD600?

[bitter rain]

wireless good, wired bad

[wheat moss]

🤡

[livid ruin]

moondrop aria or ew200’s?

or smth else

[lyric glacier]

yo, i dropped in earlier to talk about a headset i was looking at (PC38X), price is a bit steeop. is the pc37X much of a downgrade?

[lyric glacier]

(context its a 20 aud price diff between the two)

[warm scarab]

Its a lot of a downgrade

but like, this is an item you may use from anywhere for 1 to maybe 4 years

is 20aud really that steep

[livid ruin]

they’re both good

iirc biggest downgrade for gaming is prolly mic

[warm scarab]

arias are outdated

not bad but you can get better

[livid ruin]

any suggestion? :>

[warm scarab]

no

[livid ruin]

:c

[warm scarab]

I am not obsessed enough to track a market that changes price point products on a bi weekly basis

like fuck me we went through so many best 50$ iems

[livid ruin]

general suggestion?

[warm scarab]

@unique wind

he can answer maybe

or nils

[lyric glacier]

ive got a tight budget im sticking to for my setup since im redoing alot of it, accounting for everything. i might just order everything except the headset, then get the headset in later.

[warm scarab]

your call

[candid hare]

I just started my journey I bought a headphone amp and some new headphones how did I do

https://www.creekaudio.com/product-archive/obh-21mk2/

https://www.guitarcenter.com/AKG/K712-Pro-Open-Over-Ear-Mastering-Referencing-Headphones.gc

[warm scarab]

arbitrary as hell

[candid hare]

I seen these on sell and got them don't know what it will be like I thought I could always sell if needed. I want to know if anybody has experience with these items how are they.

I got the amp for 75 and the headphones for 86

[warm scarab]

headphones are like

[lean grove]

You'll find out when you get to hear them

[warm scarab]

cult asf

[lean grove]

No sense asking us for opinions on something you've already bought.

[warm scarab]

I've never seen k712 being used outside of very nice groups and followings

also what nils said

[candid hare]

I want others peoples opinion

I've heard very good things an
Bought both

[warm scarab]

I've never heard good things about k712 apart from on random internet articles

and I've never heard of the amp

ever

[lean grove]

Used to be the soundstage meme but people realized soundstage isn't important

For $80 I think that's a fair price

And yeah I've never heard of that amp.

Blue led.

[warm scarab]

No they just realized you don't need to sacrifice half of the frequency response for soundstage

And planars started being a thing that sounded nice

[lean grove]

When did that happen

[warm scarab]

Cope

[candid hare]

Myself I don't know how they will do like I said I'll have to wait and see i don't know enough abought audio specs I've heard you should compare independence

[warm scarab]

you mean impedance?

[lean grove]

No.

[candid hare]

Yes

[lean grove]

I actually broke out my old he-5se's.
Idk why but I actually don't mind the lack of mids and disgusting treble

Makes me wonder if 8xx is a good buy

[warm scarab]

I don't know the 5se

no idea if it's worth anything

[candid hare]

I tried to use my headphones on my receiver I don't understand it's not more common

[lean grove]

Discontinued fortunately.

[warm scarab]

Wdym receiver

[lean grove]

Was the Hallmark of "se stands for shit edition"

[candid hare]

Speaker receiver amp

[warm scarab]

Because they suck for powering headphones

At least from the headphone out

[candid hare]

It can blow them or work but make really static I've heard

[warm scarab]

Its not super easy to do without destroying your hearing

unless you are using super fragile headphones

[candid hare]

Yeah in my limited knowledge i was like they really don't make them where they can power headphones. I have a general consensus that they hold things back advancements and make it so you have to buy 50 different gadgets

[warm scarab]

no

we audio elites prefer buying 50 items that do the same thing then debate which is better

[unique wind]

apple dongle is endgame

[elder thistle]

this,

plus this

I shit you not

is more resolving than the hd560s and dt880 600 ohm

with more instrument separation

it is easy to inspect the texture and reverb tails of instruments deeper

in saturated rock music

hd560s is still somewhat close

but I don't know if this translates to other people due to the general m50x divisiveness

it is an m50x inside with the same 35 ohm pentagon looking drivers and angled baffle

different rear damping

those cheap pads defeat a large portion of the bass notch, bass boost, and evens out the upper mids and treble. shouty and bright, but still

[elder thistle]

touch of eq

[livid ruin]

opinion on truthear x crinacle zero reds?

[narrow violet]

I have sennheiser 599 headphones (50 ohm) and active monitor speakers both take 3.5mm inputs but only the headphones need power obviously

I want to use my motherboard for DAC which conveniently uses 3.5mm out but I only can/need to add power to the headphones

how to I handle this situation with buying the least pieces of equipment/converters etc and least hassle with volume control etc ideally I would have 1 cable to (device) that I plug 3.5 mm speakers and 3.5 mm headphones into and use the volume control on the device for both or volume control in software so not fiddling with output devices when I want to go between speakers and headphones

actually having a physically separate volume situation for the headphones and speakers would be fine but the speakers can only be controlled via software

so maybe split the signal out at the motherboard somehow?

would that weaken the signal to either device or would that only matter if I tried to use both at the same time which would never happen?

all I need is a 3.5mm splitter and a 3.5mm to RCA adapter cable and I should be able to get any headphone amp, set a basic volume in the OS for the speakers then use the volume knob on the amp for the headphones to get as loud as I want, do I have that right? sorry I get confused with all these different connectors

[arctic meadow]

Are there any budget iems/earbuds with a good built in microphone? Im looking to switch from headset to iems/earbuds longterm due to the constant “headset dent” i get after a long gaming session.

[main tusk]

just bought this! and i want to take advantage of the rack mounts! currently i have a Roland Quad- Capture external sound card! but i want to buy a new one that is for rack mounting! any suggestions? 🙂

[buoyant vale]

Apogee Symphony Mk II

[main tusk]

Apogee Symphony I/O MKII TB 2x6 SE
Apogee Symphony I/O MkII Dante Card
Apogee Symphony I/O Mk2 16x16 SE TB
Apogee Symphony I/O MK2 Dante + PT HD
Apogee Symphony I/O MK2 8x8+8MP Card
Apogee Symphony I/O MK2 8x8+8MP TB
Apogee Symphony I/O MK2 A2X6 SE Card

well...

is this one good?

https://www.thomannmusic.no/motu_828_mk_iii_hybrid.htm

[lean grove]

I know for their entry level stuff Motu is pretty good. You might have better luck asking in the podcastage discord since they have a lot more pro audio and musicians in there

[main tusk]

i ordered the Motu one 🙂 if it's "trash" i'll just resell it and buy a better one

but i think it will do 🙂

[warm scarab]

@lean grove do you know any sources for cheap subwoofer schematics

sub 200$ ideally will flex if big step up

[lean grove]

No. They're too easy to DIY that schematics are kind of useless

[warm scarab]

then some shit ass yt guide ?

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/LfwK74Acumo

[warm scarab]

ty

ill have to room eq this right

[lean grove]

Sure. Depends on the amp you use.

[cedar walrus]

Is this worth taking?

[warm scarab]

id give it 5$

for the receiver

[cedar walrus]

I could get it for free. Just wondering if it's worth talking if it's high end or a rare model or whatever

It's a family members

[lean grove]

Kenwood is a good name for vintage hifi. I don't think there's anything about that which screams "high end" or "rare"

[cedar walrus]

Alright I'll leave it be then.

Just want one of those cool 80s/90s setups people had back in the day

[warm scarab]

if thats what you want go for it

the good vintage stuff still goes for decent money

[cedar walrus]

I also found this in the box

[warm scarab]

there are people that ofc don't know what they are selling but people who do know can sell for hundreds

[warm scarab]

scratched up af

[cedar walrus]

Yea they where just thrown in the box

Some of the rca speakers are damaged because of it

[warm scarab]

id get one of the brushed aluminum shit

looks super nice

[cedar walrus]

I remember back when I was 5? My sisters dad had a WHOLE system. Had the cool eq meters and shit

[warm scarab]

analog eq is cool

not much to it apart from that lol

[cedar walrus]

Yea lol

[warm scarab]

its badass to just fuck with sliders and give songs bass tho

love it

[cedar walrus]

Yea 🤣

[wispy zinc]

I have two of these and use them daily. They are great pieces of kit (however I do not have the hybrid one, just the FireWire version from years ago)

[noble axle]

idk why but this makes my tinnitus gocrazy at like no volume

[somber frigate]

my friend has a mic that goes in to an amp and in to his computer.
AT2020 is his mic and it has problems with background nose from the power lines in his house.
is there something i can buy him that will filter that static out for him

[somber frigate]

sounds like hes saying he has no ground in his bedroom so i guess there not much i can do lol

[left cypress]

Could bad grounding of an outlet in my house be the cause of my speakers making a static noise

[somber frigate]

yeah he said that just then to me i dout theres much you can do exept geting new wiers

[cyan drum]

Alright excursion for a homemade Bluetooth speaker

[sweet sage]

found a 15 inch sub last month, components are fine but the box was rotted

ill need to make a new one

[lyric glacier]

yo guys I was comparing the epos h6 pro to the pc38x and it seems the h6 pro has the same drivers, but with better EQ tuning and with what seems to be better durability for cheaper. can anyone with a wider knowledge of headphones help me out here?

[warm scarab]

you were listening to both?

side by side?

[livid ruin]

Iems under $50?

Can be lower if they're incredible value

Neutral

[lean grove]

Truthear zero red or salnotes zero 2

[livid ruin]

what do you think of kz zvx

[livid ruin]

mmm

[lean grove]

I haven't had good experiences with kz

But I haven't bought any of their recent stuff.

[livid ruin]

alr

[lyric nimbus]

what is a good programm to view live spectrum of my mic on PC?

want to adjust my preamp an so on :D

[warm scarab]

do you want it to look pretty or do you want to do something actually constructive

because the latter is not very plausible with what you want

[narrow violet]

hmm

so my motherboard came with this weird usb c to 3.5mm audio jack dongle thing with a special usb c port for it

my headphones work with it but they sound better on the line out
my powered monitor speakers buzz when plugged into the cable alone and buzz LOUDLY when plugged into the cable and actually plugged into the motherboard

what does this output even do

[warm scarab]

just a shitty dac amp

[narrow violet]

wouldn't my headphones sound like shit then

they are clear as hell from the line out and the weird USB C thing

I mean why do the speakers buzz even if I just have them plugged into the dongle and don't even plug the dongle into the DAC

[elder thistle]

could be a grounding issue

for the dac portion at least, in releation to the pc chassis

speakers will buzz when their rca cables are not attached to something on the other end because now the rca cable is an antenna that picks up noise from the AC power lines and appliances throughout your house

[narrow violet]

wait these speakers are plugged into the battery backed up side of my UPS

[elder thistle]

the dongle could for some reason make your entire pc chassis an extension of that antenna

oh

[narrow violet]

I mean they buzz when the dongler literally being held in the open air by me

[elder thistle]

is your pc on the battery backup too?

[narrow violet]

the connection goes air -> dongle -> 3.5 mm cable -> speaker -> power cable -> UPS -> wall

buzz sound

plug into motherboard, loud buzz sound

[elder thistle]

the air thing is normal and not a problem

[narrow violet]

PC -> speaker -> no buzz

bluetooth -> speaker -> no buzz

headphone -> dongle -> no buzz

the hell are these little electron bois doing

[elder thistle]

so it doesn't buzz much when you have the rca to 3.5mm cable (I'm assuming that's what you're using) plugged into the desktop's line out?

[narrow violet]

it's a USB C to 3.5mm cable (I know wtf)

there is a special port on the motherboard for it

[elder thistle]

but you said pc > speaker > no buzz

how did you make this connection

[narrow violet]

yeah if I plug the 3.5mm from the speaker into the PC's 3.5mm line out there is no buzz

but if I plug the 3.5mm from the speaker into the USB C dongle into the PC's USB C audio port there is a huge buzz

but no buzz under any circumstances if I use headphones

so it must be a power from the wall thing because the headphones are not plugged in there

[elder thistle]

the dongle is probably broken. the amp stage inside it may even be amplifying ground hum / EMI

it happens all the time with these dongles

[narrow violet]

I'll try the speakers on the other part of the UPS and directl]y into the wall to try to isolate it but I'm not going to bother trying to get a new dongle because why does this even exist they could have just put another 3.5mm port there instead of a whole ass dedicated USB C with dongle that you can't use like a regular USB C port (I tried)

wait did I try that?

[elder thistle]

it's probably a good thing that the UPS powers both the speakers and the pc

[narrow violet]

oh it DOES work like a regular USB C port

[elder thistle]

I'm not certain, but if the UPS kicks on while wall power still works, it becomes a different power source with possibly a very different ground potential from the pc

[narrow violet]

so it's like a USB C port that you can also use like a shitty audio jack

[elder thistle]

all data-capable usb ports can support dongle dacs yes. usbA or usbC

I use this one when I travel

sounds transparent to my ears

more importantly the noise floor is very low, so it gets along with powered speakers without making them hiss in any audible capacity

there are probably cheaper ones out there that are internally the same device

but I can vouch for this one

[narrow violet]

well since the bluetooth on these speakers sucks I guess I am cursed to either swapping cables at the motherboard or using the headphone jack and therefore unknown amp on these monitors

hmm

[elder thistle]

if you're having to swap cables a lot between headphones and speakers...

a cheap(tm) audio interface like a behringer umc22 might be a good investment

it'll also let you use balanced cables to your speakers if they accept that kind of output

otherwise you'd need trs to rca

[narrow violet]

why do I need trs anything I have 3.5mm headphones and 3.5mm speakers and 3.5mm line out

I really just need a slightly nice splitter

[elder thistle]

no wait that's not the one with the volume knob

uh

I have no idea how you could check this, but if you do go for a splitter of sorts I would check to make sure that the left and right channels get connected to ground when that output is switched off

otherwise your speakers will hum like before when they were not plugged into anything

[narrow violet]

ugh I'm dumb

maybe I'll just get like a topping t30 which is like way overkill for these headphones but I can use it as a preamp for the speakers as well and then I have a volume knob that will work for both

and I'll need to convert everything to rca and back but that's no big deal

does that sound right?

I think a magni will do that as well

but the topping has a switch on it for outputs I think

[elder thistle]

this is a better task for an audio interface

[narrow violet]

yeah the magni I would have to unplug the headphones to use the speakers, the topping I could just flick a switch

audio interface sounds like something I would be spending a lot of money on

[elder thistle]

not more than a magni 3 or topping t30

[narrow violet]

I have $140 headphones and $75 speakers

[elder thistle]

could be closer to 50

[narrow violet]

oh hm'

I'll look into it then thanks

hm these seem to have to do with recordings

recording*

you know what... the headphone amp on these speakers is totally fine

the only thing that worries me is I will be blasting my headphones and forget I have the volume cranked then press the button on the speakers to switch back to the speaker output and absolutely nuke the house

these things are self powered they wouldn't sell me $75 desktop speakers so powerful that they would actually damage themselves by throwing something at 100% volume from a PC to them right?

if no one was home I would test it right now

[wraith forge]

Is the blue snowball a good low budget mic?

[elder thistle]

...approximately

I don't trust $75 speakers to be designed to a point where there was no chance of damaging the woofers with certain signals

but it would still be unusual if they did get damaged

same applies to the amp. that can get damaged too from something like a sustained max volume square wave depending on the design and existing protections

I have yet to damage any of my speakers that way, even though I've had plenty of mega volume accidents on active speakers from $30 to $600

no wait

behringer eurolive b115d smoked it's woofer with the provided amp when I was rough with it

but that's a concert speaker meant for careful and calculated use

[narrow violet]

these speakers are fucked

I'm returning them

literally anything connected to the 3.5mm jack makes them hiss

bluetooth mode does not make them hiss but that only works within inches of the source which is shorter than any cable so what's the point of wireless that only works over a range shorter than any cable ever made ever

[lyric glacier]

yeah i think the epos h6 pro was more bassier while the pc38x was more natural

i think its preference though

[warm scarab]

use the pc38x for a day or two

your ears aren't going to adjust in a minute

[lyric glacier]

alright, i've also seen people reccomending the hd560s but they are more expensive, what do you think? am i just looking in the wrong place. alot of places im looking are acting like the hd650s's are cheaper

[warm scarab]

It's really not that different, the hd560s

like

literally use the pc38x for more

if you don't have conscious listening ability and used one item to listen to music for upwards of a year

you aren't going to adjust in a day

don't touch the hs6 for a bit and use the pc38x for a day or two, listen to music and stuff with it

then try comparing it to the hs2

[lyric glacier]

ill try find a video explaining it, and you can tell me if the opinions are bad or not. alot of people on youtube are saying the same thing but ill find one that represents them well

[warm scarab]

you aren't going to be the first person who buys headphones and gets disappointed by them in their first or second day of ownership

[lyric glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8wpduAbgY0 (havent watched the whole vid but skip to 15:50)

not sure if his opinion is valid

i havent donef much research on yt

[warm scarab]

5 of my friends said fuck you after buying my recommendations, 3 days later they said its a day and night difference to their old headsets

you have a return window don't concern yourself with this stuff literally use the headset for another two days then come to a conclusion

[lyric glacier]

@warm scarab could you comment on the thing at 15:50 and explain why he says this

[warm scarab]

They have same drivers but that doesn't make the sound the same

Tuning us different, pads are different, how open the back is

Do you have the open or closed h6 @lyric glacier

[lyric glacier]

open, (the pc38x and the h6 open were not mine, they were a mates he let me borrow)

[warm scarab]

In that case honestly go for whichever you'd like

There must be a subjective different in preference, I like the width of pc38x over epos

Contrary to the bass of pc38x being slightly lacking, you can't fix soundstage with eq

Your call

[hexed coral]

are the nova 1s are better than corsair void rgb wireless or the g435 or the blackshark v2 x usb

[livid ruin]

Why there are so many iem options nowadays

it’s insane

also, I wonder why the headphone market is so dumbster fire still

[livid ruin]

no.

did he just call the hd 560s “for sure muddy”?

aren’t those neutral asf with some minor sub bass drop

also recommends razer and corsair headsets

lemme guess affiliate links, i’d not trust him.
no graphs

[severe hare]

Guys i've been loving my truthear x Crinacle Zero:RED but my cat just fucked my cable, ive seen some cables on aliexpress but pretty expensive, on reddit the recommend a cheap pair and i got a cable and a backup iem wyt? (example QKZ Titan)

[livid ruin]

I feel like kz iems are bit underrated in the low end

nowadays

[severe hare]

bought moondrop chu 2

35€ 2 cables + moondrop chu2

the cables ive seen were 14ish to 20eur

[paper wasp]

dumb question been a while but left is white an right is red

[civic beacon]

Assuming your speakers are oriented correctly, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector#Color_coding_in_consumer_equipment

[paper wasp]

whoo hoo i was right

thank u @civic beacon

i knew keep it simple stupid was a thing

[elder thistle]

didn't even mention the mc450

[lyric glacier]

just another question, im using a pair of closed back headphones and just ordered in some open backs (pc38x), should i swap out the switches on my keyboard to something quieter (im using loud blue switches). will i be able to hear the switches because of the open back?

[elder thistle]

we can make the performance of the maxwell look like $80 cans against the mc450

and it's half the price

yes I am generalizing

[elder thistle]

uh maybe

you'll definitely hear it when there's no sound playing

but during gameplay it should be masked/inaudible most of the time

[elder thistle]

not anymore

sometime within the last 12 months, hd560s's were silently downgraded* to using hd559 earpads while discontinuing hd560s earpads

they look very similar

but they sound very different in terms of tone

at least to me

I would describe the bass and upper bass as muddy yes

[lyric glacier]

i think they will sound better either way, im coming off of a razer kraken v2 headset that ive had for 6 years with only one ear working.

[elder thistle]

the bass control the hd560s never had much of is now highlighted by about 5db by the new pads

yes probably

actually the pc38x is now brighter than the 560s lol

honestly solid / neutral-esque in the tone department

treble's fuzzy though

uh like shp9600 or ad500x but not as severe

I would rather play most games on pc38x rather than the hd560s

the rear imaging is more obvious/effective to my ears

realistically in casual games I'd just eq the hd560s and enjoy the more precise treble

realistically realistically I will never use the hd560s or pc38x over similarly priced options outside of being a reference and/or punching bag for review purposes

the dt880 has actually been surprisingly entertaining despite being more towards hd560s separation/resolution class than hd600+ class

or at least the 600 ohm dt880

mega open

[half fog]

just buy a cheap planar and stop coping with sennheisers anemic subbass and slow slurred response

[elder thistle]

he400se-cheap?

[solid pivot]

What headphone + mic combo do yall reccomend for like 150-180USD?

[lean grove]

what kind of headphones do you want

[solid pivot]

Not to picky, doesn't really matter to me

[lean grove]

if you wanted to minmax headphones, get a hd560s and some sort of lapel mic.

[solid pivot]

I'l take a look

[lean grove]

if you're okay with IEMs, truthear hexa and a samson q2u or a ATR2100 usb would have a much better mic and still pretty good sound quality

and then get a boom arm for the mic

from a naive point of view this would be a much better buy overall, but depending on you, the iems might not be something you're able to wear for hours on end like you would headphones

[solid pivot]

When i sit down for gaming i do long long sessions like 8 hours so ill have to ponder it

Any further suggestions?

[lean grove]

hmmmm. no not really

dt880 is also a good pickup, but its gonna be occupying your entire budget. you might be able to find a used pair for real cheap

[solid pivot]

Yea i was lookin at 770's, i do tend to prefer over ears and i kinda have big ears so i'd need to see

[elder thistle]

which games

[elder thistle]

my ears touch the inside of the earcups on dt770/880/990 just enough to make them ache within 45 minutes or so

I think this is rare

[solid pivot]

Really ranges

[elder thistle]

if you decide to go for some beyers, I'd suggest getting one using the premium (non-pro) chassis

it's the same sonically but less clamp force

[solid pivot]

Gotcha

[solid pivot]

I do mostly play F1/racing games or r6

[elder thistle]

oh nice

[solid pivot]

Would a specfic headphone/IEM be better for those?

and if so why?

[elder thistle]

yes probably, but what models are better will also depend on what you like about sound

I tried to play siege for a few weeks but the sound engine has conquered me

[solid pivot]

I like to be able to hear the small things

[elder thistle]

I don't know how to listen to sounds in siege

[solid pivot]

Like the small upshifts of gears

[solid pivot]

Im literally using WH0910(yea i know i butchered the name so bad) for siege with bassboost on it is horrid yet i make do

All i got rn

[elder thistle]

hmstdve

[solid pivot]

?

[elder thistle]

the small and complicated sounds of a gearbox or different things happening to and around your car probably falls under treble volume / resolution / instrument separation

[solid pivot]

Ah got it

Sorry im not very knowlagable in this im just interested

[elder thistle]

I'm hesitant to seriously recommend the mc450 here because of potential comfort issues

[solid pivot]

They'd also chew up most of my budget

[elder thistle]

but I also broke in the pads by now and can wear it for longer than the beyers, hd6xx, hd560s, pc38x

the center of the headband is what I hear other people mention as anything from heavy to actually painful

not me

point being, nothing else is going to let you inspect sounds like those even half as easily. and with boom mic it totals to $182

but there are other aspects of sound, of course

like width/spaciousness

that's what I like about the dt880's

I've tried more than a hundred headphones over the years, and nothing sounded quite like the dt880 in that way

although they're semi-open and noticeably muffle noise by some amount, the soundstage/imaging and treble give me the weird illusion that I'm listening to my speakers instead

it is very weird

and entertaining

also if you go for beyers like this, I'd suggest the 250 ohm variants if possible

the 80 ohm beyers seem to mash sounds together in a way where simultaneous sounds cause a loss of detail

that's instrument separation

[solid pivot]

Hmmmmm

[elder thistle]

I mean all headphones do this to some degree but it is a big step down in any attempt to hear what's happening when going from the 250 ohm ones to 80 ohms

[solid pivot]

I’ll think bout it

Thank you my man

[shadow stag]

i have spdif, is that the best i can get out of a motherboard audio card?

[lyric glacier]

dude, my brother cranked the volume on my sound system, i went to the doctor and turns out i've got a ruptured eardrum. guess no headphones for a bit.

[elder thistle]

are you using PA speakers as nearfields

also this clown hair thing around everyone's pfp's is evil

it makes 10 people look like 1 person

[warm scarab]

I personally would

blues with open backs give me a headache

[livid ruin]

well… considering he didn’t call the other headphones muddy it’s strange.
I’d not really watch that youtuber. Affiliate after affiliate link I doubt he’s picking them cause they’re good. Half of his picks were garbage

[livid ruin]

I want to try kz castor, they’re like $10

the frequency response seems pretty decent

and kz zvx at $6 has basicly no competition

zvx seems to be bit bright at low-mid tremble though that’s acceptable considering the price

[warm scarab]

compared to what

[livid ruin]

V shape curves that are bit warmer

[severe hare]

i saw on https://crinacle.com/rankings/iems/
that chu2 are basically the top tier of under 50 so i decided them

[livid ruin]

i’d not say top tier under 50 but, under 25 they’re alright

[severe hare]

its my 2nd pair of IEMs, iam pretty newbie on audio market soo... take what i say with a grain of salt 😄

[shadow stag]

?

[warm scarab]

I don't understand the question

[shadow stag]

my motherboard audio has spdif, is that the best thing available on the sound card or it's as inferior as the rest?

optical digital audio connector

for some reason, there's two digital outputs and one of them is optical and they're always connected

[hasty grail]

what's a good reviewer for headphones?

[lean grove]

Try them both and see which you prefer

[shadow stag]

dont have equipment for optical audio handling unfortunately

should be clear of electrical noise since its digital, right?

[warm scarab]

may or may not be

[lean grove]

Not clear. You might have a shitty digital to digital converter and it'll make noise regardless of interference from your PC

[hasty grail]

I could get the Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless for 250€ (including taxes and shipping) rn, is that a good idea?

[warm scarab]

no

[shadow stag]

well yeah, im saying that regardless its not going to be affected by the physical noise, not saying that it'll be necessarily a clean signal

[hasty grail]

?

why? is there a better alternative?

[shadow stag]

that's a lot of money dude

[warm scarab]

its not worth 250€

not very good headphones in the 1st place

generic muddy bass bt over ears

[warm scarab]

I don't understand this statement

[shadow stag]

sorry

[hasty grail]

so what would you recommend for wireless headphones, 250€ max?

[warm scarab]

I don't know its not a market im interested in

akg n700nc m2 was pretty good but it got discontinued a year back

jbl tune 710 is alright but I can't comment on the anc

better in terms of raw audio though

[lean grove]

Sure.

Electricity can't travel through the plastic optical cable

[shadow stag]

is it complicated to get a optical audio setup going?

[lean grove]

No.

Plug and play

[shadow stag]

just a receiver (sort of like an audio interface) and im done?

is that quite expensive?

[lean grove]

Compared to a USB dongle, yeah.

[shadow stag]

are there small sized ones where you can just plug 3.5mm for the speaker?

[lean grove]

Yes

[shadow stag]

the benefit of this is that its basically depends on the sound card capabilities and doesnt depend on usb

any particular model you could recommend for mainstream consumption?

[lean grove]

No

The benefit of optical is that you have literally no other option

[shadow stag]

huh

[lean grove]

Optical isn't some magic solution.
It's a low bandwidth and kind of old technology that sends a digital signal to a different DAC so it can do it's own thing

[shadow stag]

i see, i guess im overestimating it

[lean grove]

It's not better than USB

Unless of course your USB is shitty and is being contaminated by electrical noise

[shadow stag]

i see

why is optical audio still a thing?

[warm scarab]

usb sort of works with computers and stuff

optical is just a pipe that light goes through, no compatibility stuff

same with coaxial

[livid ruin]

What do you guys think of kz zvx, d-fi and castor?

[haughty girder]

Yes and no, it's definitely high bandwidth but the most commonly used codec is lossy compressed to save processing power

[lean grove]

If you wanna spend all this time parsing if he's got the right or wrong codec be my guest

[lean grove]

Last resort. Legacy. Just in case.

[shadow stag]

ah, like PS/2?

[elder thistle]

srh440a, m50x/clone with felt pads, mdr7506, mc250

thats some sub-$100 stuff anyways

to be fair this isnt completely straightforward since I judge mud based on how smeary/low quality usually the upper bass is, and how loud it's shoved in my face without eq

honestly this was one of the weird things I liked about the k361

despite being very low instrument separation everywhere else, the bass was somehow unscathed

[livid ruin]

why were hola's discontinued

[elder thistle]

all good things must come to an end

[noble axle]

there a difference between the 6xx and the 6xx massdrop?

otherthantheprice

[unique wind]

6xx is a massdrop X sennheiser collab

[noble axle]

thenwhys the one on amazon 50bucks more? amazon's own premium?

[unique wind]

the amazon listing is sold by an unrelated third party and they can put whatever price they want

i’d get it directly from Drop for less money

[noble axle]

i got mine from drop like 4 months ago i was just wondering about it

#audio-tech message

[steel escarp]

DT900 pro x is infinity better than hd6xx

[tawdry gale]

I tried dt900 pro x and thought that it was worse than a hd560s

such a mid headphone

[warm scarab]

its grey standards

[steel escarp]

I haven't heard the 560

But it was for sure worse than hd600, hd660, hd650

[lean grove]

Grey gives great advice and opinions you just need to do the exact opposite of what he says

[steel escarp]

DT900 pro x bass is great

Same for mids

It's only downside is it's treble which can get glary and isn't that detailed

I'd probably pick it over dt1990 because that headphone their mid bas sounds like it's on tubes

It sounds really thick and too filled

[molten lotus]

Is Moondrop May gud?

[elder thistle]

do you dislike the hd6xx compared to the hd650

[molten lotus]

Nah, Imma buy IE 200 instead...ChiFi not my favor ;-;

[steel escarp]

They are the same

And yes there is unit variance

Sonarworks compared quite a few units. The probability of a hd6xx sounding identical to a hd650 is quite large

With their specific sample size the hd6xx was just a negligible bit brighter with the units they had on average

The manufacturers say it's also the same

[steel escarp]

The app is not good

@molten lotus btw for the price of the IE 200 I'd get the truthear nova

yes its Chinese, but due to a hyper competitive Chinese IEM market they are really good

[proper marten]

would you guys recommend Razer Kaira Pro or Turtle Beach Stealth 600 Gen 2 for Xbox

or if there’s any other good wireless headphones for Xbox under $100 tell me

[steel escarp]

the turtle beach one lacks bass

and the razer one you mentioned seems like a complete incoherent mess all around in terms of sound

Logitech G535 LIGHTSPEED Wireless is an option

@proper marten I'd go with the logitech I mentioned

[proper marten]

I found a arctis nova 1 on sale for $30 by me should I get it

[steel escarp]

if you are only gonna game on them and not use them for music, sure

just know that this pad probably soaked up quite a bit of sweat during some sweaty gaming sessions

[unique wind]

goatear nova

truthear nova

🐐

[elder thistle]

maximum m50x clone earpad experimentation

free lunch

no

$35 lunch but it breaks the natural order of things in the sub-$150 market

I want to see what different earpads do for people who hate the m50x

I have noticed that some earpads like the stock tunical/lyxpro ones are able to make it sound overall like crap on my ears

while there's extreme polarization in the amazon reviews for the little they're worth

but dominantly very positive

[tacit mango]

the stock m50x pads are waaayy to thin for me. My ears were right up to the drivers.

Had to get some bigger ones. They were soooo much more comfy than the stock ones

[elder thistle]

agree

it doesn't bother me horribly when my ears touch the inside of those headphones in particular, but it's still not great

I would feel pain after about an hour

same thing with these cheap suede pads

these are the next test subjects. since I figured out that a pretty sealed earpad plus extra thickness generally makes the headphones boomy

top ones are straight velour... we'll see if there's any bass left

middle ones are just a smidge thicker while overall very similar to stock

and the bottom is mega thick with perforated pleather for the inner walls

obviously I am missing pink earpads to match the pink cat ears

but maybe I will solve that next month

there are not a lot of options

[candid hare]

hello i just got a pair of (AKG k712 pro) headphones and a (vintage creek OBH-21 mk2) headphone amp. I am trying to hook up to my pc, looking at rca to 3.5 ack cable on amazon my pc does not have toslink connection im concerned though im hearing now the built in dac in my pc is not good. im not sure im ust starting this journey so it ight not go good at first

whats wrong wiht my keyboard?

[jovial robin]

(Honestly I just like the steelseries logo)

The sweat buildup seems like an issue tho

Meanwhile my dt770's are still weightless after wearing them for hours at a time

[silent haven]

gaming headphones are ass

[elder thistle]

rate my gamer curve

[candid hare]

hello i just got a pair of (AKG k712 pro) headphones and a (vintage creek OBH-21 mk2) headphone amp. I am trying to hook up to my pc, looking at rca to 3.5 ack cable on amazon my pc does not have toslink connection im concerned though im hearing now the built in dac in my pc is not good. im not sure im ust starting this journey so it ight not go good at first

[lean grove]

you can get an apple usb type C headphone adapter or a cx31993 dongle for a good cheap dac

[candid hare]

@lean grove thanks ill add that on my cart cant wait!!

[haughty girder]

The iem is decent, the cable is fine, the app to tune the dsp in the cable is mediocre at best

[haughty girder]

Beware that IE200 is honestly... not good for its price

it's a decent iem that comes with bad eartips and a spectacularly terrible cable

[molten lotus]

7hz and crinacle Salnotes Dioko?

The energetic tone from this IEM really hit my cup of tea

[trim halo]

Hello

I think ive destroyed my audio

I decided to install realtek audio drivers

now all I hear is audio crackling

i hear normal audio

but I hear audio crackling and popping

are there any alternative audio drivers to realtek?

[livid ruin]

IE 200 is overpriced, and too bright in some parts

[tawdry gale]

if u like dioko, ie200 will be too dark

for u

[livid ruin]

moondrop may may be bit too nazal, enhanced female vocals and dark with a 8khz sparke iirc

mays are too overpriced, excluding technicalities kz d-fi does basicly the same job for fraction of the price, has similiar sound profile (UUDD)

but if you’re looking for such sound signature the mays are okay. definitely not the best value

[tawdry gale]

treble on d-fi is so ass though

and the build is terrible

[livid ruin]

Not the worst though

It is kinda dark and also bit bright in some parts

Well, they're $10 so, you can't complain much

[tawdry gale]

I rather use my phone speaker

[livid ruin]

I bought the castor

[livid ruin]

Never say

Not even comparable sound

[tawdry gale]

ik

[livid ruin]

Kz started making pretty decent iems since 2023

[tawdry gale]

they made 1 decent iem 2022

the og cca cra

and then silent revision 💀, killed it

[livid ruin]

Zvx is pretty decent bassy dark iem but lacks in good soundstagr and imaging

Yeah, unsure why kz just wants to destroy their reputation like that

[tawdry gale]

engineers all left, so spent all money on marketing

[livid ruin]

I mean castor harman edition is pretty balanced

Definitely beaten by $55+ iems but still at $10 you can't complain

Castor doesn't have the usual wonky kz treble curve

And it's not V shaped curve but rather U shaped

Slighly bright

[livid ruin]

not bad for a kz

[lean grove]

Kz stinky

[unique wind]

ye i dont follow the market but it's the best KZ that i know of

basically a $12 truthear nova with worse treble

[livid ruin]

it depends on if you like more treble

[unique wind]

the graph you posted is very heavily smoothed, the castor has a few little peaks in the treble which is what im referring to

[livid ruin]

it depend on which ear tips you use

if you use the stock foam ones the 8khz peak is less pronounced

the castor doesn't have many peaks unlike other kz iems

the bassy kz has probably more peaks

the d-fi has some 8k and 12k'ish peak but those aren't that bad

better than having a peak at let's say 6khz and 10khz

[unique wind]

ive been a little tempted to order the bass boosted castors because theyre like $12 on ali

[livid ruin]

https://youtu.be/GtKufyLBn-c? mmmm?

[buoyant vale]

more like $12 a month

with how frequently KZ shit dies

[unique wind]

so be it

i have my truthear nova (best non-custom IEM in the world regardless of price)

[livid ruin]

qc overall sucks on all budget iems tbh

[unique wind]

if $12 iems die itll be okay

[livid ruin]

people seem to just hate on kz despite improving

I don't like the marketting though

[buoyant vale]

they are just a dog shit company

[livid ruin]

L for kz and for being misleading in the past

[buoyant vale]

why bother when there is better options?

[livid ruin]

there is no better option at $10

[buoyant vale]

[livid ruin]

also, you can buy the d-fi's for like $7-8 if you do "buy now"

non tunable though

comes in the default DDDD so, less bassy by 2db~ but, it seems to have slighly more balanced treble in the 6khz range

[shadow stag]

any desktop speakers that have a good sound profile/signature?

[lean grove]

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8351BP--genelec-8351b-3-way-coaxial-powered-studio-monitor

[shadow stag]

well, didn't imply studio monitors but thank you, im guessing that's for a single unit

[lean grove]

Yes

[warm scarab]

what's the difference

[shadow stag]

IEMs are the earpiece version of studio monitors?

[shadow stag]

sound profiles, its like saying headphones vs iem

[warm scarab]

there isn't a definition for sound profiles of a studio monitor vs regular speaker

its up to the company who labels them

[shadow stag]

i see

i mean, typically monitors have flatter profiles

[warm scarab]

well supposed to by popular reception

there isn't a special curve studio monitors need to have

harman in room target is universal for speakers

[shadow stag]

okay... i get it

well, but usually they have flatter profiles yeah?

im interested in speakers that have a pleasurable sound profile

im sorry that im aimless

[warm scarab]

well dw about it

what im getting at is studio monitor is a dumb label

good speaker is good speaker

and what nils recommend is a good one

[shadow stag]

fair, no clue about the sound profile... i'll look it up

good ones are expensive >_<

[lean grove]

Flat can be pleasurable.

[fossil zinc]

Is there such a thing as a 4-6 foot usb-c to usb-c otg cable

Looking to get a powered headphone amp and hook my iPad into
Prefer that it charges at the same time so I’m not always fighting a battery charge

[lean grove]

Have you checked Google?

[fossil zinc]

You get 5 million cables but everything otg or not

Same on Amazon

Most otg cables I see are like 6 inches long

Just curious if they exist

[tired crown]

I currently have some trashy Logitech speakers and want to upgrade them to something at the $200 or less price point any suggestions?

[lean grove]

Take a look at options from edifier

[crude wave]

find a used pair of klipsch the fives

they'll trounce anything that logitech can do.

[shadow stag]

uhhh, cheapest upgrade to a decent desktop speaker from a genius sp-u1150x?

budget is non-existent at the moment

cant spend 4k on a single speaker

[crude wave]

what's your price range?

[shadow stag]

less than 100-400

[warm scarab]

jbl 305

[crude wave]

oh shit look at klipsch the fives or sevens

powered bookshelves with dsp correction

[shadow stag]

and i want a better sound than what i currently have, if its possible, and wired, preferably driverless usb or single 3.5mm jack

[warm scarab]

usb isn't really going to be an option

3.5 you can do

[crude wave]

with the 5's it is lol but go optical

[shadow stag]

true, no free usb ports anyway

[warm scarab]

worst case get an apple usb c to 3.5 adapter

then 3.5 to rca wire

[crude wave]

or with the 5's you can also just bluetooth them

[warm scarab]

why would you get speakers to bluetooth them with

[crude wave]

the 5's have a good ammount of options

[shadow stag]

dont have usb-c unfortunately, guessing i'll have to convert from c to a

dont want bluetooth

hmm, are there cheap optical speakers?

but also optical is worse than analog

[crude wave]

then don't run them bluetooth lol they have spdif 3.5mm rca bluetooth etc

how is optical spdif worse than analog spdif?

[shadow stag]

is it more premium or..?

[warm scarab]

they support aptx hd at max

its like

really dumb to get speakers that good

[shadow stag]

spdif is bad, limited bandwidth

[warm scarab]

then to use them with a lossless audio codec

[warm scarab]

its good enough for stereo

[shadow stag]

interested in surround without even doing the positional dance

as in just want to hear all the possible channels

[warm scarab]

don't be its a gimmick outside of movies

and games maybe

[shadow stag]

i do movies and games sometimes

[warm scarab]

unless you find movies with dedicated 5.1 setups

which isn't going to be available each time

[crude wave]

my home setup is a pair of rp600m's with a 12in powered sub and that's hooked through my cambridge axr100

[warm scarab]

you will have garbage audio compared to stereo

[crude wave]

my desktop speakers are the fives

[shadow stag]

typically movies come in 5.1/7.1

[warm scarab]

yeah when you download them

net services can be weird i dont know how netflix etc handles them

[shadow stag]

have to downmix with software

do browsers support surround at all?

[warm scarab]

I don't know, I don't particularly care for surround for its limitations

[crude wave]

I probably wouldn't bother worrying about surround with a 400 dollar price point

[warm scarab]

this too

[shadow stag]

Fair enough

[crude wave]

ya like a good surround reciever your looking at spending more than 400

[warm scarab]

its an expensive market to enter

anything subpar is really bad

[crude wave]

jamo is like the budget king

[warm scarab]

because you need 5 speakers that are all decent plus a subwoofer contrary to 2 good ones you need for stereo

[shadow stag]

whats the cheapest price point the good quality starts at?

[warm scarab]

not to forget the receiver

[crude wave]

well 1 really good center channel the surrounds can be shit at first

[warm scarab]

subjectively I wouldn't enter it unless I have a ton of disposable budget

and I would enter it at like 1k at that point

[shadow stag]

okay, and how about a normal speaker to improve the old stuff i have? there's not much better things than what i have without going expensive?

[warm scarab]

but realistically I could use the 1k to have signficiantly better stereo performance

so that would come first

[crude wave]

same

[warm scarab]

the jbl 305 are pretty decent

[shadow stag]

okay thank you

[warm scarab]

I don't know about the klipsch fives adam mentioned

[crude wave]

2.1 is where i'm at

I'd suggest looking at the klipsch self powered line the fives, sevens and nines

[shadow stag]

alright thanks

[warm scarab]

same, doubt I'll ever go surround unless I make bank

[crude wave]

you don't need a reciever and they have built in dsp which is nice.

[shadow stag]

having a center channel is good?

[warm scarab]

for surround yeah

for stereo no

[shadow stag]

i see

[crude wave]

center cahnnel is your most important channel in surround

[warm scarab]

either stay with stereo or 2.1

or go full 5.1

no in between

[shadow stag]

is 2.1 worth it?

[warm scarab]

yes

[crude wave]

yes

[warm scarab]

especially if you have smaller studio monitors like the desktop sized stuff you are asking for

[shadow stag]

what are the improved use cases over 2.0?

Ah interesting

[crude wave]

like both my bookselves can do mid bass but for that low end you want a woofer

[warm scarab]

you have substantially better bass

and a much better full body listening experience

[shadow stag]

oh right, i forgot the .1 is the sub LOL

[warm scarab]

eg subwoofer shakes your shit

[shadow stag]

best to place it on the floor with dampening cuz of the vibrations?

[crude wave]

I want to upgrade my sub at some point

down firing with passive radiator is what I want

[shadow stag]

are there good small subs?

[warm scarab]

you don't need dampening with a subwoofer generally

[shadow stag]

it is to prevent vibrations from spreading

[crude wave]

well so here'

[warm scarab]

well you want to spread them

when its a subwoofer

[crude wave]

well here's the thing are you going for all self powered speakers and not needing a reciever?

[warm scarab]

you also want to spread them when you have regular speakers as well, just controlled

[shadow stag]

but i dont want neighbors to feel the shake :D

[crude wave]

because if your going passive speakers then you need to budget in a reciever

or an amp

[warm scarab]

that I may or may not be able to help with

you always have the option of lowering the volume of the subwoofer given it isn't a passive

[shadow stag]

i have some old phillips passive speakers, any amp will do apparently but its also expensive apparently

[crude wave]

for the simplist setup just go with self powered speakers

[warm scarab]

we didn't recommend any passives to him so i don't think he will

[shadow stag]

yeah, does 2.0 get any better than what i have?

[warm scarab]

yes

do you know what 2.0 means

[shadow stag]

stereo

[warm scarab]

yes

[shadow stag]

two channel no sub

[warm scarab]

2 speakers no subwoofer

[crude wave]

yes speakers get alot better than any of us have

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so you have basically like 10.000$ headroom to spend money on at least

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unless your spending like 25k on a speaker

lol

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yeah thats a bit excessive lol

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i see, the ones i have are from like uhh i dont remember, 2004 or 2009

[warm scarab]

date doesn't really matter when it comes to speakers I use soviet era shit

pretty good with dsp

[shadow stag]

mom has some nice usb small desktop speakers from 2010

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I love me some dsp

[warm scarab]

dsp is debatably more important than a lot of things

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I kinda want to sell my rp600m's and cambridge axr100 for a pair of the nines

[warm scarab]

id take 300$ speakers and room eq

than 2k speakers and no room eq

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room eq is so good!

[shadow stag]

okay, if im going with sound systems, cheapest option that replaces the onboard audio?

[warm scarab]

tbh if your moms small usb speakers sound good you probably have really good headroom to upgrade lmao

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it kills me listening to the 5's and then going to hear my rp600m's and I'm like damn it dsp

[warm scarab]

:/

[shadow stag]

they're self powered without volume control and they get loud

[warm scarab]

i don't think you really need it

get an apple usb c to 3.5 adapter if you want standardized level audio

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just a usbc dac there

[warm scarab]

i wouldn't be concerned with a dac so much at the level you are at since there isn't an aio solution to it like headphones have

[shadow stag]

so im okay with just using my display audio output because the onboard audio has interference?

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isn't that what the apple usbc to 3.5 mm is?

[warm scarab]

i mean yeah

but like

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I'm telling him to go get a schiit stack lol

[shadow stag]

i have the apple adapter for lighting to 3.5

[warm scarab]

no aluminum box and its 9$

smh

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lol

[warm scarab]

i personally wouldn't advise a modi honestly

I own the 3+ personally, its difficult to call it an improvement over motherboard and apple dongle audio

I don't claim chain differences don't do anything but this particular dac I really don't like

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personally I think apart from my headphones where I do have a valhallah tube amp, I'm really just considering not having a reciever anymore and going all self powered

[shadow stag]

okay to sum up, a jbl 305 will be more than enough and then the apple usb-c to 3.5 adapter to avoid onboard and display audio, right?

[warm scarab]

meh I wouldn't

I like the reliability of having a passive box of magnets

and some wires going to them

very reliable

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I've had a really good experience with my fives and kinda want to pair the 9's to my sub

[warm scarab]

sounds good to me

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and just dropt he axr100

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also get a 3.5 to dual 6.3 cable to wire the jbl 305

[shadow stag]

oh?

[warm scarab]

its just a 3.5 cable but has two big jacks on the other end

connect one end to apple dongle other end to speakers

[shadow stag]

hmm, and lastly, at what size subs are good?

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be careful to check left/right channels btw

you don't want to mix them up lol

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if you're looking for small then 12in

[warm scarab]

I haven't touched the topic of subs before, no idea

[shadow stag]

hmm jbl 305 are like cheap but decent monitors out there?

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10in subs are more for mid bass most speakers should have some midbass

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I would say most things cheaper than the 305 are a decent downgrade

[shadow stag]

i see

looks up the sound profile

[warm scarab]

the 300$ range is where the stuff is generally pretty decent

[shadow stag]

i see

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that opens up some triangle stuff

[warm scarab]

honestly if you have any more budget, look up "how to do speaker room eq"

get a measurement mic

do what they do in the video

its a significant upgrade for very cheap to most people

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dsp correction really is night and day

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for my cursed ass setup it made an unlistenable setup actually enjoyable

if you have a fucked up room it may save your life

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^______

1000%

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definitely don't sleep on this and I assure you its not a difficult thing to do

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I have hard wood floors and mirrors on 3 of 4 walls in my basement / office

[warm scarab]

mirrors

man

thats so cursed lmao

[shadow stag]

i live in a like ~25cm3 rented apartment, and its loaded with stuff so it doesnt have much echo

oh

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awww it didn't like my language and I got warrned

lol

[shadow stag]

which generation of jbl 305?

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i think thats a good reason to get dsp

it honestly doesn't matter much

they just have the back plate shit a bit different

different dsp options etc, not really important

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oh? interesting

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sound is the same on default settings across

[shadow stag]

whats the use of the dsp? sorry for asking

[warm scarab]

do you know what dsp is

[shadow stag]

digital sound processing

[warm scarab]

nice did you google that

[shadow stag]

no

[warm scarab]

basically its eq

in the context we are using the term

[shadow stag]

effects

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you can correct your sound wave to adjust for shitty rooms

[shadow stag]

mainly eq, i see, to tune the sound profile, yeah?

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you can dial out highs

boost lows etc

[warm scarab]

you know what frequency response is right

[shadow stag]

not clear on the effect of frequency response in practice

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so

do you know how a frequency sounds like

thats a dumbass question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNf9nzvnd1k

listen to this for a sec

[shadow stag]

a sine wave...?

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that video is basically the human hearing range and a bit above of it

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freq response is the range of sound a speaker can produce from low to high would be its range so typically 20hz to about 20khz or more / lower

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when you for example, deliver a signal at 1khz audio

[shadow stag]

i use hearing aids and i have difficulty hearing hi-hats and the likes

[warm scarab]

at like, X amp

you get 90dB

do you follow so far

[shadow stag]

i think so, yeah

[warm scarab]

okay

but this doesn't mean that when you deliver X amp to the speaker, you will get 90dB at, say 2khz

so that's what frequency response measures

it measures what frequency is at what loudness level at a fixed signal power level to the speaker

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so the range capacity of the speaker, i understand by this

[warm scarab]

no

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then I've misunderstood that for awhile.

[warm scarab]

I mean what you defined is the frequency response range

not frequency response

frequency response range is like 20-20khz stuff

frequency response is a graph

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whats the standard for this

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good question

[shadow stag]

ah, right i remember, its a graph

[warm scarab]

that's what researchs like the harman one try to determine

[shadow stag]

i'll look up the frequency response of what i have

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oh ok so give the speaker 50 watts at x hertz and it makes y sound.

[warm scarab]

this is what a frequency response looks like

[shadow stag]

ye

[warm scarab]

yeah

well y dB sound

so you look at different frequencies to see what Y level they reach at X power

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that's what I meant lol sry was scratching my head there I'm also bouncing between this and work laptop

[warm scarab]

ah ok lol

so anyways juesto thats what frequency response is

[shadow stag]

calculating the frequency response for each location requires capturing it with a mic in the hearing position the room in place of the ear?