audio-tech

[mighty forum]

I misread somewhere and thought it was 75$ budget. idk how

(oh wait, two different F names confused me nvm)

[dense talon]

I mean that works! Gonna take a look

[mighty forum]

Are you gunna use hdmi / arc

[dense talon]

My tv can do that, don't really know what that is though

Arc I mean

[mighty forum]

Technically this doesn't come out until may but

https://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-Compact-Home-Theater-Sound/dp/B09S328KPV

Now, there will be a ton of audiophiles here that probably can try to find more bang for the buck. I don't think most people recommend vizio and I'm not saying I recommend it. It was just a good cheap solution when I needed it

[dense talon]

Lol okay cool, might look into it

[mighty forum]

I love soundbars and I love undermounting them to my monitor shelf

it's so going to keep my monitor shelf from snapping probably I made an error when building it

[lean grove]

take a look at the audeze maxwell

[weary gyro]

will do, thanks!

[placid needle]

Y'all Im curious and wondering the difference as I am looking for different sound systems for my computer. I have a digital input for a cable for my motherboard as well as the regular inputs like aux and the rest, is there an advantage to one or the other in terms of quality and is there a better fit for my computer depending on the quality of sound Im looking for?

[lean grove]

With aux you're trusting the audio hardware inside your computer. Which isn't a wise move, motherboards aren't known for having the highest quality components. Most of the time they're good enough.

Digital outputs like optical or USB you're trusting the hardware in your audio device that's accepting the digital signal. Which can be anywhere between very bad and very good.

[placid needle]

And is bluetooth the same logic as trusting the sound inside the tech Im using?

so how would go about shopping for sound systems?
is there a cost to performance logic to follow so I dont overpay for "features" that are just normal features designed to trick me into paying more?

I would personally like a sound system with good clear sound, good bass(i really like to feel bass) for a budget of like 130-150 dollars max. Preferably, Id like to hit a price point of 120 or less if possible

[lean grove]

Yes.

[lean grove]

Sound equipment is really hard to gauge without hearing it or without being super experienced.

[placid needle]

fair

[lean grove]

Best thing to do is to ask knowledgeable people, which is also hard since there's an excess of very unknowledgeable people mixed in with the people who know what they're talking about

[placid needle]

thats is why I find myself here at an attempt at doing LOL

[lean grove]

My recommendations would be edifier 1280, edifier mr4, or Klipsch pro media 2.1

Klipsch pro media is gonna be your best bet for powerful bass. But edifier is better everywhere else.

[placid needle]

is there any sort of con to using bluetooth system?

[nova wagon]

biggest con is bandwidth, theres only a few codec that can actually stream lossless file fully
but if your source file is not lossless to begin with, there's no point in that really

[placid needle]

interesting

[nova wagon]

obviously range is another one

[placid needle]

I am confused,these look idnentical why the price differences exactly?

[nova wagon]

the thx certified part

[placid needle]

what does that mean?

[nova wagon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THX

this thing

tho i dont understand why the non certified thing is more expensive

LOL

[placid needle]

ALL I NEEDED WAS THE VISUAL LOOOOOL

The non-certified has 260 watts of something or another...Power maybe? I dont know

but does that make it worth another 20 USD?

no the thx has 260 watts

now Im fonsued LOL

I spelled that wrong

I am befuddled truly

[nova wagon]

usually the certified thing is more expensive cause they have to pay for the licensing of using the certification ip and shit

realisitically speaking i think they are the same thing???????

[civic beacon]

They're likely the exact same physical speakers, but sold by slightly different sellers, or are slightly different SKUs. They both do 200 watts according to the "About this item" section, but then again, I trust Amazon product listings about as far as I can throw Jeff Bezos.

[lean grove]

Kinda not really? The only con is that if you wanna use a microphone, your audio gets super shitty. But with speakers that won't be an issue.

[lean grove]

Thx certification is a fancy title you get to pay for if your speaker meets certain qualifications.

Like meeting certain volume levels without shitting yourself

[placid needle]

okay but the THX thing on the old VHS movies nearly made me do that as a child

that sounds like the opposite

[civic beacon]

Hot take (or maybe not so hot these days)... THX is simply marketing hype these days. It might've held merit if an actual sound company still owned it, but Razer's owned it since 2016 so... make of that what you will. 😉

[placid needle]

really???

[nova wagon]

Yea

[placid needle]

thats crazy

wtf

[nova wagon]

There are cerfitication that actually makes a products better, but THX ain't one

[civic beacon]

ALWAYS look into the "certifications" of ANY product you purchase - they're kind of like a vehicle's gas mileage rating. Cough looking at you, Energy Star stickers found on appliances everywhere across North America.

[placid needle]

see thats what I meant earlier by paying for features that werent actually features LOL

but the klipsch speaker Nils recommended is still good I am assuming, regardless no?

[nova wagon]

yea

good low budget speakers

[civic beacon]

They've been around since the early 2000's, so yep. When it comes to certain audio equipment... don't fix what isn't broken? Logitech's speakers are largely the same - they just like to "update" the model numbers every 3-5 years to justify releasing a "new" product lineup. I know plenty of people still rocking X-530 and X-540 speakers from the mid-2000's

[lean grove]

Yeah it doesn't really mean anything for consumer audio

For home theater or actual theater it probably matters just a bit more

Since their certifications actually mean something there

[nova wagon]

a pair of good bookshelf speaker costs like 400

[placid needle]

what is like, an example of good low budget, the mid range, and high range?

what makes the difference? as opposed to just "speaker sound gooder"

[lean grove]

Logitech is unrivaled when it comes to making speakers look as expensive as possible while being stunningly cheap.

[nova wagon]

fucking dummy tweeter glue on

[civic beacon]

As with anything online, don't blindly trust a singular source, but... may I present to you a place to get started on your quest for acceptably decent consumer grade home / computer audio? https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/search/?s=speakers
(Keywords: "get started" - there's more to audio than picking "the best speakers" because what's "best" is subjective.)

[lean grove]

Number one thing that makes a speaker good is frequency response linearity.

A lot of the time speakers will have a huge emphasis on midbass and then you drown out people's voices. Or they have a ton of treble and make things sound harsh.

So the more neutral or balanced a speaker is, generally the better they are.

[placid needle]

the adhd hyperfixation for resarching is beginning to develop

[civic beacon]

Bingo. There's a time and place for fancily tuned audio, but IMO everyone should start with something balanced / neutral / flat-ish so they know what a baseline sound profile, uh, sounds like, then go from there.

[lean grove]

Number two is dispersion. So how "focused" is the sound coming at you.

A speaker which doesn't have sound that bounces of the walls or floors as much, or if it does bounce, does the bounce sound the same as the speakers direct sound radiation.

This is very hard to do and is the difference between a good speaker and an amazing speaker.

[civic beacon]

Same with Sonos, though their speakers are at least far better than any Logitech's I've had. I honestly wish I had more free time, cause I'd ditch Sonos to build a custom whole-home audio solution. Alas, for now I'm "happy" getting fleeced for the convenience of their multi-room speakers. (Rather, the family is happy with how they work... and I don't want to always be called on because "it's not working again, please fix it!")

[lean grove]

There's also things like bass extension and efficiency. But bass extension becomes a non-issue when you buy a subwoofer.

And efficiency is overcome with any normal speaker amp that can do 100-200 watts

[lean grove]

Sonos and Logitech, when they get torn down and their insides rudely examined, are really quite amazing at how much effort goes into using anything other than high quality speaker drivers.

Making transmission line speakers, custom plastic injection molded waveguides, the entire body is one single part

And then some 5th order bandpass fart box tuned to 60hz to make up for the shitty driver

[civic beacon]

Mhm. It's like, okay, I see that you put some level of effort into "design choices", some of which do help shape the audio, but also... those are some mighty inexpensive generic drivers ya got there, so why this $800?

[lean grove]

Downgrade your brain to the average consumer and make an assumption for which one looks more expensive

[civic beacon]

"Well, the ones on the left are obvious more expensive - just look at how slick their matte black finish is!"

🤣

[lean grove]

And has more connection, a subwoofer, it's smaller, has lights

Yeah. In audio you can usually assume that there's a 4-5 markup between the cost of the parts and the final MSRP of the speaker

With Sonos, idk if there's a premium with all the software that comes with that

[civic beacon]

Mind you, the lower woofer of the speaker box on the right almost looks like its outer rubber cone is deteriorated. Could just be my eyes / the image (or my uneducated smooth audio brain) though.

[lean grove]

No. That, my friend, is a meta material that makes it so the surface area of the woofer remains constant throughout the full extension

The woofer alone is $450

one woofer. For one speaker.

https://ptt.purifi-audio.com/shop/ptt6-5w04-nfa-01-ptt6-5w04-nfa-01-279

[civic beacon]

Damn, and indeed they went ham with the inputs for it being the same dimensions as a binder so as to fit perfectly into a bookshelf. Much respect.

[lean grove]

An actual bookshelf speaker

Rare

https://marchaudio.com/product/sointuva-awg-stand-mount-speaker/

[livid ruin]

what if i buy $12 woofer from aliexpress

[wheat moss]

it will be bad

[livid ruin]

how bad though

[lean grove]

More power to you. That's more expensive than Logitech pays

[placid needle]

I got distracted and accidentally assembled a 3 monitor mount before I could properly express my thanks for the advice

lmao

but thanks y'all, I appreciate the advice and input

[narrow saffron]

trying to make it so it doesn't stick out in the front but idk if it will effect the sound or something

[mighty forum]

i just use hdmi. Can do it over the gpu or even embedded graphics/mobo hdmi port. I haven't tried it using an hdmi to usb adapters but I would rather use that for unimportant monitors

[placid needle]

Wait, I'm confused.
How do you use HDMI where is the sound coming out of w/ your GPU?

[mighty forum]

You ever had a monitor with built in speakers that uses HDMI or to a TV? Same thing!

Soundbars and receivers can have hdmi for audio

i think you need hdmi for alot of loseless audio too like DoblyTrueHD and dobly atmos .

[warm scarab]

don't do that

I thought you were connecting the rca inputs to your motherboard outputs

[lean grove]

Pretty sure the rear RCA is the same circuit as the headphone out

[warm scarab]

Isn't it exclusively pre out

[lean grove]

What if you made a pre-amp that also had enough power for headphones.

And you wanted to make it the best value you can

Would you:
A. Make completely different amplification stages for headphones and pre-outs
B: make a pre-out that can power headphones and route it directly into a switched headphone output.

[frozen bolt]

Are apple homepod minis good tv speakers for my apple tv?

[drowsy blade]

Depends

Do you prefer convenience or sound quality

They integrate really well together, but a regular set of bookshelf speakers will sound way better

[frozen bolt]

Thanks

[narrow saffron]

oh okay

ill just get a bigger desk then i guess

[lean grove]

Email schiit support because I'm pretty sure you can do what you want to

[warm scarab]

Nils said they use the same circuitry tbh

[narrow saffron]

i don't know what i want

[warm scarab]

like he said contact them

[lean grove]

They'll know for sure. Just ask if the headphones out is the same circuit as the pre-outs

[narrow saffron]

ok

thanks

[lean grove]

It most likely is since that's the easy thing to do

[vale dirge]

Is the overwhelming “boom boom” that happens with the bass on AirPods Max more accurate or the refined neutral bass on open backs that are less boom more accurate to the creator’s intent?

[tawdry gale]

the closest thing to the artist's intention is by using the hp + speaker they mixed the song with

[elder thistle]

the closest thing to the artist's intention is the art

on second thought that's a pretty daring assumption

[lyric glacier]

hey guys, was looking at the arctis nova pro's, which are currently running about $200 aud. (link : https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Arctis-Multi-System-Gaming-Headset/dp/B09ZWF9BCJ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3B9HK5BIGW99M&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.SziIklLa4IJGtBtwwBb9CR1Q5_drP538PkW5f7o8-5Ba46eBdgFw4PDxkRJk_BEWSjmW8CvzZ4kNbb9jCetmoZI_SFrNuolXBGkXqxIbWDP_cOqruZGq9fXbC41H8gL0SaW8ei1aYnqPpco6OqEKFc8WyoW6t3E68IdJUJXlWPUDqm_Gy5dHS-QYYuyyhjvjUZeNjakHDyc6gWjhdQYsAmIescqEoYTc2PMNG12FpWw.ZLinRf2sVWswM5gm9gxRQCwe8BSwTXk37WRGqhCf26g&dib_tag=se&keywords=arctis%2Bnova%2Bpro%2Bwired&qid=1712301410&sprefix=arctis%2Bnova%2Bpro%2Bwire%2Caps%2C260&sr=8-1&th=1)
so i was gonna ask, i can get a renewed / refurbished version of this on amazon for about $80 cheaper. should i get it from there?

if not, i don't really care about the wireless aspect, so i would take any reccomendations for wired headphones aswell

[errant wharf]

Do you need a microphone?

[elder thistle]

I've had good experiences with amazon refurbished headphones thus far. both were almost new

that could definitely change though with more headphones, and u.s amazon might not have the same qc as australia

[topaz hawk]

Does anyone have experience with on-camera microphones, I've got a Canon M50, looking for a shotgun mic for 4-7 feet in front of the camera.
I was going to just buy the highest end Rode Microphone before asking here.

[somber kestrel]

Curious if anyone can help me out, looking for the best quality affordable Lavalier Mics, preferably wireless.

[errant wharf]

The rode wireless go is pretty popular

Wireless makes it expensive. Wired can be significantly cheaper

[somber kestrel]

any cheaper recommendations? I need too buy 4-5 mics and the Rode one is just to expensive at that quantity

[mossy dove]

how cheap?

[lean grove]

Why not just use your phones?

Stick it in your shirt pocket or find some way to keep it on their chest mildly hidden

Record using software and synchronize it in post

[steel escarp]

Is moondrop dusk a scam

Zeos selling his unit after like one week of owning it is concerning

[unique wind]

yeah

more than twice the price of the truthear nova and it’s worse

[steel escarp]

Thruthear nova sounds compressed

[unique wind]

google.com/search?q=otolaryngologist+near+me

[steel escarp]

That is what the internet says

[unique wind]

copers

it's the best non-custom IEM

[lean grove]

Flavor of the month best measuring iems are a scam

Well. No more a scam than the rest of capitalism

Marketing, over consumption, measurebaiting

Z selling his unit is just him being what he is

A salesman

[stark iris]

lukewarm take: Good measuring is everywhere, pick your price point and find the best ergonomics/style/taste for you.

[lean grove]

You're right that was incredibly Luke warm.

[steel escarp]

Idk how to feel about the dsp cable

I want to just plug them into my amp at my desk since I already have it set up

I could EQ the dsp they give manually via eq apo.

But the 3.5mm they give with it looks like trash next to their usb-c dsp cable

It seems usable when I am at work with my laptop and have a docking station on my desk with usb-c in the front

But then having to swap cable constantly is not good since a 2 pin connector isn't really made for this

I guess I'll have to wait for the sharur review

[tepid torrent]

who is this luke

[lean grove]

Why on earth would you do that

[steel escarp]

he makes valid points

if you filter the garbage

more valid than zeos

[tepid torrent]

are you luke

[steel escarp]

who is luke

[tepid torrent]

warm

[warm scarab]

have you found luke

warm if you will

[tepid torrent]

last name warm

first name luke

[stiff fiber]

middle name?

[elder thistle]

eq tutorial for samson sr850 part 1

[lean grove]

Sm7b simulator

[timber remnant]

Should I have the bass speaker at the back instead of the front

For movies

[lyric glacier]

Hey guys, i'm tossing between the EPOS H6PRO and the SteelSeries Arctis Nova Pro (wireless). Any advice?

[slim mason]

doesnt matter

[tawdry gale]

sony pulse elite or audeze maxwell(if u have the money)

[lyric glacier]

i already have a pair of sony pulse elites but i use them for my playstation, do they work on pc fine?

[tawdry gale]

yes

[lyric glacier]

i dont have bluetooth on my mobo, do they work fine fine wired aswell

[tawdry gale]

yes

[wheat moss]

Sennheiser PC38X

https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-yellow-gaming-headset

[lyric glacier]

ill look at it gimme a sec

[wheat moss]

https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-gaming-headset if you don't like yellow

[lyric glacier]

would you reccomend a dac for any of these headsets aswell?

[wheat moss]

alternatively the previous model https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset for slightly less

[wheat moss]

lol no

[lyric glacier]

i dont know if this is that good but i saw these for 200 dollars, 10 dollars cheaper than the pc38x, what do you think?

(aud btw)

[wheat moss]

you know that's not a headset, right?

[lyric glacier]

just something i wanted to throw out there

[wheat moss]

I wouldn't

[lyric glacier]

like idm buying a 10 dollar mic if i can save that

[wheat moss]

good lord

everyone in a call will hate you for that

[lyric glacier]

either that or i already had the kmart mic i got for like 30 dollars like 4 years ago i dont use anymore lmoa

[warm scarab]

Nah

10$ mics sort of slap

[wheat moss]

and you won't be saving shit, you'd likely need something better than your computer's amp to run the dt 990s lol

[warm scarab]

5$ lavs sound way too good

[wheat moss]

begone klaus

[warm scarab]

he wont

unless its the 600ohm version

250ohm maybe if he has a particularly weak motherboard output

[warm scarab]

also don't buy this

dt880 is better than the dt990

and neither of these are necessarily better than pc38x

sidegrade more like

[lyric glacier]

my friend sent it to me and i just wanted to check

[lyric glacier]

i think the dt 880 is the same price, 200

ill look into the

pc38x

[warm scarab]

too much

[wheat moss]

australian dollars

glorified monopoly money

[lyric glacier]

aud, the pc38x in aud is 210

[warm scarab]

how much usd

[lyric glacier]

200 aud = 130 usd

[warm scarab]

yeah go for it

lol

id recommend pc38x as better multimedia gear and dt880 as better competitive gaming gear

the added benefit of pc38x having a mic makes it a better choice imo

[lyric glacier]

i think the shipping on the pc38x if i cant get it on amazon is gonna make it much more expensive, prolly around 260 aud. (i have amazon prime)

[warm scarab]

your call man

[lyric glacier]

do you know any that are supplied on amazon which are good? :

[tawdry gale]

just get apple dongle

[tawdry gale]

u want wired?

[lyric glacier]

prefferably

my mobo doesnt support bluetooth

[tawdry gale]

astro a40 are worse than pc38x but still alright

[wheat moss]

absolutely zero need. onboard will be plenty lmao

[tawdry gale]

unless theres pc37x

[warm scarab]

why the astros when dt880 are available

[tawdry gale]

most motherboard audio are ass

[tawdry gale]

they said headset

[wheat moss]

I guess you haven't used a good board in a decade lol

[warm scarab]

well they are up for buying the dt880 apparently

[warm scarab]

lowkey this

[wheat moss]

my x99 board had better shit than this umc22

[tawdry gale]

umc22 bad

[lyric glacier]

dont mind

[wheat moss]

my current board probably does too lol

[tawdry gale]

then sure just get it

but I prefer hd560s

over dt880

slightly less peaky

[lyric glacier]

💀

bruh

this doesnt add up

should be 179

tf

im getting played

[tawdry gale]

I thought u getting dt880

[wheat moss]

damn, shipping to nz is half that lmao

australia L

[lyric glacier]

was checking the shipping

its making my wallet sweat

[tawdry gale]

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx

my beloved

[wheat moss]

even with shipping, the PC38X is more worth it imo

[lyric glacier]

dayum

[wheat moss]

my beloved https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/HSTSEN508824/Sennheiser-HD-600-Wired-Over-Ear-Audiophile-Refere

[tawdry gale]

my other beloved

[wheat moss]

the true beloved

[tawdry gale]

everything more expensive than a hd6x0 is a sidegrade

[lyric glacier]

i dont need any other stuff with it correct?

[wheat moss]

correct

[lyric glacier]

tbh i dont know much about sound stuff, im currently using a razer kraken v2 with only 1 ear working lol

so i kinda need a new pair

[wheat moss]

yike

[lyric glacier]

ill look into the pc38x guys

thanks yall

[lyric glacier]

my friend said to look at sennheiser he1 but i cant find them anywhere

[wheat moss]

your friend is trolling you

[warm scarab]

Try directly googling it and looking dor sennheisers website

[wheat moss]

https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com/en-DE/p/sennheiser-he-1/

69 thousand euros

nice

[warm scarab]

did the price go up

[lyric glacier]

💀

why are they so expensive man

[wheat moss]

because they're a very limited production luxury item

not something you're meant to just buy

[wispy roost]

Hi! can someone recommend me some good (and budget friendly) speakers?

[lyric glacier]

whats with the wunderwaffe bulb things btw lol:

[wheat moss]

tube amp

[wheat moss]

making us assume too many things
location?
currency?
budget?

[wispy roost]

location as in country?

at most 300$ per speaker

[warm scarab]

literal tubes

[warm scarab]

do you have an amp

[wispy roost]

not yet

[wheat moss]

yes

[lyric glacier]

i mean, in what world (other than like a proffesional studio for crazy rich musicians) is this gonna be used lmao

[wheat moss]

do you know how many currencies use the dollar symbol?

[wispy roost]

us dollar

[wheat moss]

none, it's for rich people

[warm scarab]

i think its safe to assume usd unless specified otherwise

[warm scarab]

Its entirely not good for professionals

Its a worthless item for any professional

and for musicians

it a distorted electrostatic ran off of tubes

literally the opposite of what any mixer would want

its audiophile jank not studio

[lyric glacier]

is there even music that can even take advantage of technology this advanced

[warm scarab]

yes any

you can buy tube amps for 30$ off of amazon

its just that they aren't good

and electrostats for whoever much you can find them second hand

anywhere between 100 to 69k euros apparently

100 usd would be a lucky and probably bad quality find though

anyways he1 is like a corvette or a porsche, its not meant to particularly perform well its something meant to throwing money at for significant diminishing returns and a unique vibe

[lyric glacier]

nevertheless it is pretty cool lmao

is there even a headphone more expensive than that

[warm scarab]

don't think so

theres like the warick aperio at like half of the cost

[tawdry gale]

Focal Utopia by Tournaire

100 thousand euros

[warm scarab]

Imagine paying focal 100k on headphones

lol

lmao even

its a fucking dynamic headphone too lmfao

[unique wind]

for real

you could build the most insane speaker room with that amount of money

[timber remnant]

thx :3

[slim mason]

iohj'

[vague dock]

This may be a bit random just joined the server I just wanted to get some recommendations on some monitor speakers.

[lean grove]

well mr spank master sluts.inc, how much do you want to spend?

[vague dock]

hmmmmm

true

i probs could go £80

im using amazon as my main refrence as well

[lean grove]

hmmm. $80 is a very tight budget

edifier mr4 is the only thing i can think of

[vague dock]

yeah uni student

[lean grove]

mackie has some cheaper ones but they are very bad

[vague dock]

do keep in mind im going off uk currency

[lean grove]

yes i dont have that button on my keyboard unfortunately

[vague dock]

REALLY?

[lean grove]

yes im from the us

i have the dollar sign and thats it

[vague dock]

damm stingy american style keyboards

[lean grove]

the british pound is not important enough to warrant a whole key dedicated to it, unfortunately

[vague dock]

ooof

funny enough the one you recomended isnt on uk amazon it seems

damm

oh found it £109.99 damm apparently more expensive in the uk

im not looking for excellent levels of audio just like adequate im rolling with really good headphones

kinda just for when im watching general stuff

[lean grove]

this is where adequate starts

[vague dock]

dammmm

really

👀

[lean grove]

gotta keep in mind that there's usually a 5x markup for speakers

[vague dock]

true

[lean grove]

so these $120 speakers cost less than $30 to make

parts and labor

[vague dock]

damm you capitalism

[lean grove]

indeed

You can also take a look at creative pebbles or klipsch promedia 2.1

the promedia gets down really low sometimes and it can get real loud. the small speakers are also easy to position

creative pebbles are just dirt cheap and acceptable for that

[vague dock]

ohhh ive seen those before

the speakers i was looking at originally were these Sanyun SW208 3

the pebbles are dirt cheap

damm

[lean grove]

they also have a version that comes with a subwoofer

[vague dock]

the pebbles pro are within my budget as well

[lean grove]

the speakers you linked look too good f or a price like that. they probably spent their entire budget on the plate amp on the back and the cabinet. cheaping out everywhere else you cant see.

so i am suspicious of them

[vague dock]

subwoofer package for pebbles is cheap as hell

reviews say price matches really well with quality so probs is not perfect

would a subwoofer be worth getting

[lean grove]

if you plan on playing them loud, yes.
if this is just for watching videos at a desktop and you're short on space, no

[vague dock]

this was in regards to the one i refrenced

[lean grove]

most reviewers are a terrible source for looking at audio equipment.

even audio reviewers suck.

well, most of them do

[vague dock]

its mostly prefrence from what i have gathered

[lean grove]

well

thats a part of it certainly

its just really hard to gauge speakers since they sound different in every room, in every position.

so there might be some $20 speakers that sound godlike in the perfect room for them and some $2000 speakers that sound like ass in a terrible room

[vague dock]

im gonna be in a house share soon so im probs not gonna want lound ass speakers

[lean grove]

as a reviewer you gotta look at the sum of all the parts, see what was a good design decision, listen in a lot of different ways to these speakers, and then if possible, get good measurements of what they're capable of.

otherwise there's not really a good way to gauge how good a speaker is without hearing it in your room

[vague dock]

ahhh ok

so im gonna have to gauge how it will sound

in my room

[lean grove]

well. if you're a reviewer yes

[vague dock]

hell no

[lean grove]

this is still about reviewers

[vague dock]

ohhhhh

[warm scarab]

I mean its just a matter of turning the volume down

replied to the wrong message

[warm scarab]

this

[vague dock]

lol

kinda tryna only get what i need

so would it benefit me to get a subwoofer

if im not gonna be loud

[vague dock]

never realised how indepth a review of audio equipment could go

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/hOkMVbW7Yts?si=j5mNnJ0RfuixPEL6

This is what a good audio review looks like

If youre knowledgeable about speaker measurements, you can completely ignore all his opinions and still get a pretty good idea of the speakers performance

[vague dock]

ill have a look into it

cause from the sounds of it getting speakers is more complicated than i thought

🥲

[frosty ocean]

Ok, so im gonna save this as a signed 32-bit WAV file, then play it back on my phone, while recording the output on my PC to see at what volume level it starts clipping

the only issue i see so far is...what "volume" level for my PC(Windows) is...i dont know the word...neutral?

like, if I'm amplifying it on the input, that would get wrong results

I guess if i really want to do it the best way, i would play it back on the actual system i plan on using and then just record that and look for signs of clipping in the waveform

am i crazy? am i wrong?

is there a better way to do this?

[frosty ocean]

Maybe I can buy a decimeter

[vale dirge]

Is it okay to put amp on high gain at 75%

How do I know what is the correct level to set my headphone amp?

[lean grove]

If it's too loud turn it down

If it's not loud enough turn it up

If it's just right leave it alone

[tawdry gale]

depends on the volume

[molten lotus]

Best IEM under 60 USD??

[tawdry gale]

zero red

[molten lotus]

How about Moondrop Aria 2? It is quite cheap in my country

Idk...

[tawdry gale]

aria 2 is not very good

on the other hand, Moondrop May is also quite decent

[molten lotus]

:DDD Thank you very much!

[steel escarp]

what is a decent amp that has xlr that basically doesn't get hot

even tho my violectric is opamp based it still gets toasty in the summer, running my zen can right now but the cable I have that is 4.4mm is kinda ass (openheart)

[steel escarp]

huh did my moondrop kato just die...

nope its my zen can

and its 1 day out of warranty

[tough lava]

Office setup... Probably will get new headphones

[frosty ocean]

How TF do you fit a monitor in your ears?

[drowsy blade]

Lmaoo

[frosty ocean]

i dont know if there is a better way to do this other than encoding the entire album as one WAV file, then opening it in audacity to see how much i can amplify without clipping, then going back and using that number to transcode the tracks as individual files...
but im already done...

Keep in mind both the WAV and FLAC are mono...for...reasons

[steel escarp]

clean that mouse mat

[patent folio]

I need some help with a home theater system if someone is able

[frosty ocean]

one of the wires should have a stripe on it or one of the "metal stuff" should be a more red color

[patent folio]

I don't need help with any wiring, I did all of that and it works correctly

bold of you to assume I can't properly wire some speakers

[frosty ocean]

good to see you dont need help. have a good day

[patent folio]

brother

not every problem for a home theater is about wiring

[frosty ocean]

well?

do you want someone to help you or not?

[patent folio]

I would like to, of course

[frosty ocean]

well?

[patent folio]

basically it's an older system and I want to make a DVD that has 5.1 surround

I tried a lot of files but not many work

it only reads .mp3 which doesn't support 6 channels

and divx files

[frosty ocean]

have tou tried authoring a DVD Video Disc?

[patent folio]

what does "authoring" mean?

I have an album that is "AudioDVD" "VIDEO_TS" that has 5.1 surround

I want to convert it into some kind of .avi with .mp3 or .mp2 6 channel surround

or DivX

[lean grove]

Surround sound CDs are pretty rare. I think you'll have better luck researching on Reddit or Google.

[frosty ocean]

DivX might support it, does your DVD player have the Divx logo?

[frosty ocean]

Oh, i thought he wanted to make a DVD

with video, right?

[patent folio]

it says in the manual

[lean grove]

Oh he does I misread the message

[patent folio]

it also has Dolby Prologic 2 or something

[frosty ocean]

Is it a video, or do you want DVD-Audio?

[patent folio]

DVD Audio

[frosty ocean]

that might be easier

[patent folio]

I tried handbrake but it only does mp4 mkv and webm

i had dolby prologic II

[frosty ocean]

if you have fat stacks of DVD-Rs, maybe try encoding a MPeg-2 audio file with surround

[patent folio]

it was perfect

[frosty ocean]

good luck encoding to that without a license

[patent folio]

first of all I need to get the .vob file into .mp2 with 6 channels

[frosty ocean]

do you have YAMB?

[patent folio]

i do not know what is that so i guess no

[frosty ocean]

it's been a long time since i dealt with DVDs...

[patent folio]

Same

but I got it for free from a friend so I said why not

if it helps, you can search up the manual

it says what files it reads and stuff like that

JVC TH-S11

[frosty ocean]

honestly, unless you're homeless and need the 10 dollars, id say get a decent bluray player from goodwill and then learn AVCHD authoring

[patent folio]

uhm

i only wanted to do it to use the 5.1 surround thingy

and it only has scart out and in 😂

what if

can I do scart to RCA with the gray and blue surround?

I have a tv that supports it

and the player can get scart audio from the tv

[frosty ocean]

try making an AAC file, putting that on a DVD just as a data disk, and see if the player plays it

[patent folio]

it doesn't

[frosty ocean]

well then, i have no idea

[patent folio]

it doesn't read DVDs as data disks

they need to be burnt in

[frosty ocean]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio#Windows

[patent folio]

dolby digital

perfect

[frosty ocean]

"DVD Audio Extractor – This product and others can extract audio from DVD-Audio discs, but does not author new DVD-Audio discs."

[patent folio]

ohhh

[frosty ocean]

i cant attest to any legality, but it's on wikipedia

oh, it says from dvd audio discs...sorry

[patent folio]

what?

[frosty ocean]

https://dvd-audio.sourceforge.io/

this seems ok, except im not sure if it lets you extract from a dvd video file

[patent folio]

i have a video_ts

[frosty ocean]

i used to know a program that could do that, but it's technically not allowed to exist anymore

[patent folio]

I have the files, I just need to convert them so that my dvd player reads them

[frosty ocean]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DVD_ripper_software

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Decrypter

This might work depending on the age of the media...i dont think it's up-todate

[patent folio]

i tried 3 of the apps listed here

format factory and handbrake were the closest ones

handbrake missed .avi and divx 5

format factory said I don't have timestamps or something

i will disable the automated chapters it created

[frosty ocean]

http://yamb.unite-video.com/download.html

the GUI says it supports "TS" files

"• Yamb is able to create, split and join mp4 or 3gp files containing principally

• video streams with m4v, cmp, h264, 264, h263, 263 as input format or from avi, mpg, mpeg, vob, mp4, mov, ogg, qcp and 3gp files.
• audio streams with aac, ac3, amr, awb, evc, mp3, msv, vorbis as input format or from avi, mpg, mpeg, vob (mp2 only), mp4 and 3gp files."

[patent folio]

will try that

[steel escarp]

the temptation to buy a dt900 pro x and balance mod it is strong

[supple robin]

no

[steel escarp]

a dt1990 sounds distorted af like the dt880

which I like

[supple robin]

dt 900 pro x is not good

[steel escarp]

I am going to EQ the boosted treble down

[supple robin]

still

[steel escarp]

it sounds very clean if you do that

[supple robin]

shouldnt need to eq headphones to fix them imo

[steel escarp]

I EQ every headphone

[supple robin]

i dont disagree with eq but shouldnt need them just to fix the inital terrible sound signature

[steel escarp]

I own

I love DT880 with EQ

idk I haven't heard something even close to dt900 pro x at that price range

[supple robin]

dt880 ive heard is good keep in mind ive only heard these

[supple robin]

k371 maybe

[steel escarp]

no

[supple robin]

oh crazy

iems probably beat em tho

but im guessing

[steel escarp]

I have heard quite a lot of headphones

dt900 pro x is honestly really good for the price

would take it over any focal except the utopia

and over any sennheiser

[supple robin]

oh wow

[warm scarab]

just wait a week grey will change his mind

[steel escarp]

the cable was more expensive than the headphones 💀

@warm scarab apparently the maxwell automatically power off after not using them for a bit

I recommended maxwell to a guy and he said that he was gonna get a 3.5mm cable to solve this

I told him its not gonna work since it has to convert the analog input to digital because it has DSP

he refused to use usb

💀

[tough lava]

no!

[elder thistle]

$50 amp/dac stack works great. or rather $53 currently

[elder thistle]

is it the 600 ohm

[steel escarp]

It's the 250 ohm one

[crimson wedge]

just got the pc38x

its very quiet

Also I can hear my voice

[lean grove]

try turning the dial on the side of the headphones

[crimson wedge]

I did

[lean grove]

okay. it shouldn't be quiet then. they are very easy to power. see if the cables are connected correctly.

and as for hearing your own voice, thats probably a windows t hing

[crimson wedge]

I dont hear my voice through the headset and also the cables are connected properly.When I plug them in the back of my pc its quiet.But when I use the front ports its louder but idk not as loud as my hyperx

[lean grove]

is it loud enough on the front ports

[crimson wedge]

no its not,i need it louder

the headset sounds alright

not that much better than the hyperx

the hype is fake

[lean grove]

🙄

[crimson wedge]

in terms of music it might be better slightly

[lean grove]

how long have you had them

[crimson wedge]

but other than that not worth the price

[crimson wedge]

2 hours

[lean grove]

okay well give it a few days of listening, using them, and if you still dont like them then you should return them

[crimson wedge]

i cant return

[lean grove]

wdym

[crimson wedge]

I cant return it

oh well

ill just go back the hyperx

ill take em out if i wanna listen to music

[lean grove]

when i say "what do you mean" that means "can you elaborate further"

why cant you return it

[crimson wedge]

yea and I said I can't return it cause I am lazy

Not goin through the whole thing going to the post office

[lavish otter]

lol

[lean grove]

indeed

[crimson wedge]

I can just give to my lil bro

plug it into his ps4

I go buy a new cloud

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-days-without-nonsense-gif-26130271

[crimson wedge]

damn I had my expectations wayy too high

[lean grove]

pearls before swine

[crimson wedge]

thought I was gonna get eargasms

Alright enough trolling

the headsets are fine lol

Just seems a lil quiet

maybe a problem w my mobo

music wise it sounds very good

[elder thistle]

this is why universal recommendations suck

[frosty ocean]

The quietness of this album reminds me, i need to relearn what all those volume normalizing terms mean

Attack, knee, elbow, duck, upper, parry

[frosty ocean]

Threshold: -3dB;
Ratio:"limit";
MakeUp Gain: Auto;
Knee: Soft
Attack: 0ms;
Release Time: 1000ms

Probably mangles the dynamic range of songs, but it's for a PA system at a store... So consistent volume is a little more important

Ill turn it off when i play my manually leveled albums, like my sacd rips

[warm scarab]

Make sure you plug it all the way in

[warm scarab]

use them for longer than 2 hours

if you have zero listening ability it doesn't matter what we give you

its like commenting on wine with having no tasting ability, you wouldn't be able to differentiate a 10$ bottle from a 500$ bottle

[nova wagon]

hmm 560s is currently on sale at 150

interesting

[warm scarab]

they were 107€ in europe at some point

[hearty pollen]

common issue

idk if getting a small dac/amp would fix the issue though

ill check that out if it does smt

[warm scarab]

could be a very bad audio output

pc38x should run off of basically anything

[hearty pollen]

my friend is also having issues with the headset being quiet he has it plugged into his motherboard (b450 steel legend if i remember correctly)

[frosty ocean]

Is he using the normal headphone jack?

Did he try switching between the panel and io?

Is it bad if i convert a dsd album to pcm and it's already almost peaking?

Considering how dsd works, it's completely possible the max peak was above what pcm could handle and the converter compressed it

[fossil zinc]

Did you check the volume knob on the right side

[hearty pollen]

we all have

[frosty ocean]

Is there a volume knob on the left side?

There's a amplification seeing in the sacd settings, but it was set to 0

Maybe i can try a negative amp number and see if it's still almost clipping

And see how far until it starts actually reducing volume

[wooden dust]

hey guys

do you know if there is a possibility to get logic pro x for cheaper?

[errant wharf]

Only if its on sale

[frosty ocean]

Yes. it is possible

[dreamy flume]

hey I wanna upgrade from a corsair virtuoso, does someone have any gaming headset recommendations?

[wooden dust]

alright. how?

[frosty ocean]

pay less for it

at -4 amplification, the result is a WAV file that can be amplified this much before clipping...

-3...

-1.0

so...i guess i should use...-0.200

[dry harbor]

Converters don’t compress. They clip.

[patent folio]

Hi! Does anyone here have the JVC TH-S11 home theater system or something equivalent?

[frosty ocean]

this seems to be true. for some reason this time the results was a clipped wav faile

[desert bough]

Best price/performance IEM or open backs under 110 USD?

I listen to EDM, Orchestral, JPOP, and game, going to be for daily use, I prefer wired.

[deft gale]

What are the best wired headphones for someone who loves music, gaming, and movies? I have Shure 1540’s and I like them a lot, but I was wondering if I should look into other headphones, or how I drive them?

I have an Elgato XLR that I use because I love the software support that they have with my stream deck.

[dense pivot]

my m50xs just broke, can anyone recomend me some new closed back headphones?

i mostly use them for gaming, but i do enjoy nice sound as do most people

they lasted me 4 and a half years

so a worthwhile purchase

[lean grove]

Take a look at the truthear hola.

[lean grove]

Take a look at the hd6xx

[lean grove]

Take a look at the audeze Maxwell

[desert bough]

N/A unfortunately. What about Truthear Hexa? those got recommended in multiple places

[lean grove]

Oh yes I have a pair. Very good.

[dense pivot]

audeze nuts in your mouth

[wooden dust]

Beyerdynamics

[warm scarab]

lol beyer

[deft gale]

ok, I was looking for a closed back headphone.

but I will keep them in mind for an open back set.

[deft gale]

Which ones?

[lean grove]

Ah. Hmm. There unfortunately arent that many good ones.

Akg has the k361 and k371.

The only closed back ive heard that I liked was the meze liric but I'm gonna hazard a guess that it's out of your budget.

[deft gale]

yes, it is out of my budget, and chances are i dont think what I have could drive it haha...

I like what I have, but I was wondering what the recommendations were. i'll keep them in mind for some time down the road.

[wooden dust]

the 1990 pros or if your budget is lower the 990 pros

[lean grove]

Nah. The liric can be powered off fairy farts.

Super efficient

[molten skiff]

What are good wireless headphones for watch on a tv

I have tv next to parents room so want decent headset so I don't wake up parents when watching tv at night

[drowsy blade]

can you be less vauge?

what TV box do you have? whats your budget? if its so you dont wake people up youd probably wany closed backs

[molten skiff]

I have a nivida shield and budget is around 200

Tv is a samsung s90c

[drowsy blade]

sony WH1000-XM5 are pretty standard, the XM4s are the last model which might be a little cheaper

[elder thistle]

er

I mean the 1540 is kinda awesome imo

you could go neumann ndh20 but it's more of a crossgrade

less soundstage but higher instrument separation

[molten lotus]

Guys, can u recommend me any under 200 bucks IEMs?

[frosty ocean]

Do you actually watch television? Or do you use a Roku or a fire tv?

Try connection to the media device via Bluetooth

[hearty pollen]

so i tried it and the headphones go way louder than just running it through the motherboard

[crimson wedge]

I still cant get over the fact that my px38 isnt as loud as my hyperx

I have to have it at 100 percent while i could use my hyperx at 50%

Do i buy a audio interface or smth?

Like the bass is loud but other sounds not so mich

Also the mic is also pretty quiet

[hearty pollen]

buying a small amp/dac does help

[unique wind]

Truthear Nova

[deft gale]

Oh I also am wondering what a good pair of IEM’s would be? Does Shure make some similar to what my Headphones are capable of?

[lean grove]

Take a look at the truthear hexa

[crimson wedge]

U know which one?

[hearty pollen]

apple dongle

[narrow violet]

speaking of small amps/dacs

I have a question about basics here - assuming I trust my motherboard to produce a good digital signal out of its 3.5 mm jack (I do) - what is the ideal way to handle that signal when I have powered bookshelf speakers which take 3.5 mm in and headphones (Sennheiser HD 599s) which want some power but not a tremendous amount (they are 50 ohm) and I would like an easy way to switch between the devices ideally with a hardware switch. the speakers have a headphone jack and are listed at 15W RMS which seems more than adequate to power the headphones but I have no idea if that number applies to the headphone jack on the speakers or if that's just what they themselves use, or how to choose whether the speakers or using the output or passing through to the headphones when headphones are connected

note these are new speakers and I do not have the headphones yet this is a new setup I am getting sorta piecemeal as my last gear more or less exploded and was held together by electrical tape and wishes and I'm trying to get by with what I have and can get

oh wait I can answer that last part I think my sister has a pair of shit phones I can borrow to see what happens when I connect them

oh the button on the front cycles between bluetooth/speaker/headphone mode

[crimson wedge]

What?

[lean grove]

That 15 watts is undoubtedly for your speakers

[hearty pollen]

i meant what i said lol

[narrow violet]

yeah I was going to say - 15 watts to headphones seems incredibly huge, but I can't find any numbers on how much power these things are actually giving my headphones

[crimson wedge]

But there is only 1 port?

I need 2 jo?

1 for headset,1 for mic

[hearty pollen]

headphones should've came with an adapter?

[crimson wedge]

It didnt

[lean grove]

Most manufacturers don't list it. I usually assume it's anywhere between 0.5-2 volts.

[crimson wedge]

There were 2 cables,1 split and 1 together

[narrow violet]

hmm

[crimson wedge]

The together one isnt long

[narrow violet]

I suppose as long as it sounds good it's fine

I don't actually have the headphones yet but these cheap ass gamer headphones sound fine

for what they are

so I guess I don't actually need any other hardware

which is kind of a relief but also kind of a bummer

[hearty pollen]

well you can plug the headphone one into the dongle

[narrow violet]

these speakers do get kinda hot though think I am going to rig up a baby noctua to blow onto it

[hearty pollen]

the mic one into the motherboard

[crimson wedge]

Are u talking about these?

[hearty pollen]

theres a usb-c one

but yeah

[crimson wedge]

Atp might as well buy a amo no?

Focusrite has a cheap one

[gentle quiver]

anyone have that doc with like all the headphone recommendations for this months prices with different categories like wireless ear buds and stuff like that?

idek if thats still being updated tbh

[lean grove]

I haven't seen that doc

[gentle quiver]

it wasnt a doc my bad it was this

^

[lean grove]

Oh that. From 2022 💀

[gentle quiver]

ye...

[lean grove]

Things are more expensive but reccs haven't really changed

[gentle quiver]

and its got 2020 on the actual pic

[lean grove]

Creative aurvana live isn't available anymore. Akg k612 is kinda bleh.

[gentle quiver]

ye i just bought the Koss KSC75 because i needed something for a very low budget and the reviews were pretty good

creative aurvana was my last headphone fully broke a week ago : (

[crimson wedge]

Also I got this,does this work?

[drowsy blade]

i mean theyre designd for hyperx but it is literally just an audio interface

[crimson wedge]

nvm its not any better

idk what i do now

Music sounds good

but like when I am watching a video where its people talking they sound quieter

[lean grove]

Rip. Well ksc75 is pretty durable but it has one major problem. It's super prone to getting hair stuck in the driver. So make sure that everyone week or two you pull out any hair that's in the foam ear pads.

[supple robin]

thats not an issue if your bald

[gentle quiver]

ah alright thanks

[lean grove]

Otherwise they'll needle their way in and become eternally stick in there and you'll hear a rattle in the bass

[supple robin]

the long term solution is to shave your head

well easier

[lean grove]

Honestly ksc75 might be cheaper than a haircut.

So you're incorrect.

[supple robin]

i didnt say it was cheaper

[gentle quiver]

ye hair wouldnt be a problem for me lol

[supple robin]

i said its a solution to the hair in driver problem

[lean grove]

A poor one

[supple robin]

i mean, at least when your 70 you wont care your hair is going because you had no hair for as long as you had ksc75

[cursive garnet]

i been wanting to buy headphones and a mic and i have been suggested the Sennheiser Hd 560 S and marantz mpm1000u are they good suggestions?

[lean grove]

560s is good.
For the mic, I would steer you towards a different mic. A samson q2u or atr2100 with a boom arm of sorts.

[cursive garnet]

u meant the marantz mpm1000u bc the 560s is a headphone

[lean grove]

Yes.

[molten skiff]

What are good Bluetooth headphones for watching tv and stuff for someone with big head tried xm5s they were uncomfortable since I have large head

Wish I could just use a headphone jack like with my old tv lol

But guess it's not a common thing to do so understand why tvs don't really have them

[drowsy blade]

if you have headphones that you like then look into something like the fiio BTR5, it lets you use wired headphones with bluetooth

there are propably cheaper options though

[crimson wedge]

BRO

I can hear my voice when playing wtf

This headset is ass

[hearty pollen]

you mean as in through the mic

or because its open back...?

[crimson wedge]

cause its open back

I hear my voice

my fan

everything

[hearty pollen]

then why did you go for open backs lol

[elder thistle]

now we're in business

I have used a congregation of headphone measurements and known real-world responses to find the pointy parts of the sound

and the dippy parts

[hearty pollen]

that looks trippy

[elder thistle]

I might need to smooth it for something more usable with sound demos

[crimson wedge]

whoever said that this headset is good for tacfps deosnt play tacfps

[elder thistle]

this is a lesson in asking better questions

I don't know what you originally asked, but every day I see someone somewhere say "what's a good headset" and then someone else says pc37x, 38x, or audeze maxwell

or cloud 2 or cloud III

[crimson wedge]

I asked a lot of questions

[elder thistle]

oh, damn

[crimson wedge]

yea before buying

While the headset isn't bad

but its not for a competitive environment

[elder thistle]

a lot of audiophiles don't play competitive fps games

[crimson wedge]

Yeah it was my mistake

I did ask that im gonna buy it for competitive

[elder thistle]

there appears to be a general disconnect between gamers and audiophiles where gamers think there is something to learn from the audiophiles, but audiophiles think there is nothing to learn from gamers (regarding audio)

I doubt you would've gotten a different answer by saying it was for competitive games

unless you would tell them that includes noise isolation

[crimson wedge]

maybe ill sell it

and buy the dt 990

[elder thistle]

the mackie mc450,

is my gaming juggernaut at least for cs2

two days ago I was playing cs2 with someone who had the dt990 250 ohm, so I wore the same thing since I collect headphones like this

[lean grove]

Most gamers buy their headphones based on looks and marketing, so I'd say gamers have very little to teach audiophiles

[elder thistle]

a gamer is a type of trained listener

but also with a lot of field experience regarding that listening

[lean grove]

A gamer is a walking bag of money waiting to spend money on anything they can convince themselves will help improve their competitive score.

Audiophiles have a similar crowd for fancy cables and chakra field aligners

[elder thistle]

someone can be a trained listener and not know anything about the equipment

bruh that's like 90% of musicians

[lean grove]

I don't see how that's relevant.

[elder thistle]

"not knowing what to buy" can coexist and have no effect on whether someone's a trained and experienced listener

[lean grove]

Sure.

[hearty pollen]

i never had issues with any headphone i tried so far as of listening for steps or shots whatsoever in games

[lean grove]

But again. I have no idea how that's relevant here.

[elder thistle]

I see audiophiles frequently point to headphone choices for gaming where the actual performance drifts away from the stated goal

it's a knowledge/experience handicap audiophiles often have

and it affects the kind of help gamers receive

[lean grove]

The alternative is gamers buying more ewaste made by companies who have no intention of delivering an actually good product.

With rare exceptions.

But the headphones are made dirt cheap. They fall apart after 2 years and people don't know that a well built headphone from an actual audio company can last decades.

And best of all, those headphones from actual audio companies tend to sound way better.

Worst case scenario. If they hate their headphones. They can return them and get all or most of their money back.

And they can come back saying what they dislike and we can move on from there

[nova wagon]

I would say folks like fresh reviews are turning the gaming spectrum towards good audiophiles products that are advantageous to competitive games

[lean grove]

Gamers are diversifying away from gadget conglomerates and heading towards specialty parts. That's a pretty well known trend by now. And there are some hybrid gamer audiophile reviewers popping up.

[crimson wedge]

I mean quality audio doesn't mean its specialized for gaming

[lean grove]

What defines specialized for gaming

[crimson wedge]

Sorry not gaming

competitve i meant

closed backs are better for those

[lean grove]

What does a competitive headphone offer that an audiophile headphones do not.

[crimson wedge]

idk I got the recommendation from audiophile and its good sound wise but hot garbage when gaming

can barely hear anything

outside noise

I gotta pump white noise in my ears when playing

[lean grove]

If you had a quieter room and a louder headphone port would that magically turn a bad competitive headphone into a good competitive headphone?

[crimson wedge]

nope

can barely hear anything in game

[lean grove]

So to me it seems like this is a problem specific to your circumstances

[crimson wedge]

no it makes sense why most competitve pros still use the "gaming" headsets

I saw people shitting on those but those are actually good for "gaming

[lean grove]

Irrelevant of their paid sponsorships to use those headphones of course

[hearty pollen]

they're sponsors

[crimson wedge]

no i get that

[lean grove]

They use dollar store plastic headphones because they're the best and not the tens of thousands of dollars they get paid to wear them

[crimson wedge]

Idk man I havent seen a headset thast good quality that can suffer any better than those

U throw both of them they gonna break regardless

[elder thistle]

less front/back reversals, tuning more optimized for most games. more precise imaging than most of the closed back non-gaming counterparts

[crimson wedge]

like before I could hear footsteps but on this one i cant at all

[elder thistle]

usually more comfort potential per dollar spent

[crimson wedge]

all i hear is buncha bass

but one thing is for sure open back for competitive is a no no

maybe ill get a closed back headset

whats a good one

[lean grove]

Meze liric

[crimson wedge]

prefarably one where if someone is dying next to me i wont hear

[elder thistle]

what games are you playing

[crimson wedge]

valo

thats it

I play couple times a week and even then if i cant enjoy it then its sad

[nova wagon]

now that's the sponsor part

[elder thistle]

oh I did a lot of this

[nova wagon]

but tbh, ive noticed a shift to audiophiles iem that has favorable characteristic for some comp shooter, especially in val

[elder thistle]

for valorant my overall takeaways were cloud II or better yet m50x clones in terms of just hearing the direction of sounds and not having sounds mash together so much

[crimson wedge]

yea thats that but if a "better" headset was actually better for their purpose then they would 100% switch but fact of the matter is it doesn't grant any advantage

[nova wagon]

cs too recently with cs2

[crimson wedge]

damn might get an iem then

but I just like headsets

on my head feels comfy

[nova wagon]

them using IEM is the byproduct of having to put on noise cancelling headset on top

[crimson wedge]

but still pc38 is probably one of the quietest headsets i have ever used

[hearty pollen]

aside from this gaming headphone vs audiophile headphone discussion it seems like a normal headphone jack from the usual motherboard cant power the pc38x to its full potential terms of volume

[nova wagon]

so the big boi headset you see them using on stage is purely for noise seperation/cancelling

[elder thistle]

the m50x clones being actually great, but not everyone gets the expected experience with an m50x or it's clones

one moment

[crimson wedge]

hmm seems like it

u think i get a dac

maybe that helps make it louder?

[hearty pollen]

i tried the pc38x with and without a dac

it literally feels like you doubled the volume

[crimson wedge]

really?

then might have to get a dac

then

[lean grove]

Sam's the first person I've heard complain about the 38X being too quiet

[hearty pollen]

my friend has the same issue

[crimson wedge]

idk i looked up online and I also asked someone in game today and he said the pc38x is quiet w/o an amp

legit just played w someone and they said its too quiet w/o the dac

its like edgin bro

[elder thistle]

it's quiet because the dynamic range of valorant is high

(another disconnect between audiophiles and gamers)

[crimson wedge]

yea like the gunshots are loud but everything else is so quiet

so how do i make it dynamic

surely this "good" headset is capable of that

[elder thistle]

potentially,

[crimson wedge]

idk the only other headsets I have seen games use is the dt's

[elder thistle]

a compressor vst in eqapo

[crimson wedge]

i cant do that

is the dt990 good?

[elder thistle]

wuh

well the issue with volume is mainly a digital domain thing, not headphones

[crimson wedge]

so what do i do

I feel like everytime i have the headset on I can't breathe

[elder thistle]

is there a reason you can't use a compressor?

[crimson wedge]

gasping for air

[crimson wedge]

compressor like a device?

idk much about it

[elder thistle]

vst compressor for volume

[nova wagon]

what?
how

[elder thistle]

er

also before it's too late here's a bunch of recordings of the discussed headphones on valorant

[lean grove]

Maybe it's just hearing damage.

[hearty pollen]

I'm using the hd560s rn and i can hear steps in valo really well but i wouldn't recommend taking my word for it

[crimson wedge]

when I hear everything loud and clear it feels like breathing normally, but when its quiet it feels like when ur gasping for air

[elder thistle]

dt990 250

[nova wagon]

ah, good isolation then

[crimson wedge]

idk my hearing and breathing is sorta synced

[nova wagon]

tho being an open back, you should still hear the background noise somewhat

[elder thistle]

pc38x

[crimson wedge]

no no,I liked when it was isolated

I didnt mean it that way

[elder thistle]

hyperx cloud 2

and then 512 audio academy (m50x clone)

[crimson wedge]

yeah it sounds pretty close to this

U hear how on the 38x u hear the gun sooo loud,everything else is lower

[elder thistle]

all of them do that

[crimson wedge]

nah

[elder thistle]

maybe if one has more treble though, guns will have more bite

[crimson wedge]

on the hyperx i hear everything about the same

the gun and the footsteps about the same loudness

[hearty pollen]

i had my hearing checked and the headphones are definitely quiet

[crimson wedge]

my hearing is fine

[elder thistle]

er one moment

[hearty pollen]

i would be surprised if my hearing is also shit at 17

[elder thistle]

I will demonstrate to you the power of compression

[crimson wedge]

so is that a software ur talking about?

[elder thistle]

yes free software

[crimson wedge]

its gonna make it louder?

and better?

[hearty pollen]

the thing is the most reviewers for audiophile products just plug the headphones into their powerful dac/amp and call it a day

[crimson wedge]

damn now i gotta get a dac 😭

whats a cheap one

[hearty pollen]

obviously something like this just flies by

apple dongle like i previously said

[crimson wedge]

i can get something better

[hearty pollen]

im out of that industry

[crimson wedge]

since im buying something might as well buy one

i see

lemme look

[hearty pollen]

i just have the fiio ka1

i called that a day and thats it

[crimson wedge]

wb the scarlet

thats the one popped up on amazon

[nova wagon]

left is pc38x, right is cloud ii for comparision and cloud ii actually requires more power than the pc38x
but getting an decent dac/amp is not a bad idea

[crimson wedge]

then how is it the 38x is so quiet

people have been saying its quiet cause of the mobo

[lean grove]

pc38X is 96 db/mW

not 108

idk where drop got that number from but 108 doesn't mean anything

[nova wagon]

ah ok

[lean grove]

matches amirs measurement almost perfectly

[crimson wedge]

so whats the play here team

[elder thistle]

behold

this has the same max volume as the other sound demos

[lean grove]

actually it matches 95 db/mW perfectly

[crimson wedge]

so how do i do this

[nova wagon]

yea, drop smoking some weird pack

[lean grove]

but still. it needs 1 volt for 110 db

[crimson wedge]

tbh i cant tell what this is supposed to be

[lean grove]

what kind of shitty audio output cant do 1 volt

[elder thistle]

it's not any particular headphone, but the quiet sounds are brought up in volume