audio-tech

[warm scarab]

buy again

repeat

[pallid wind]

Nah I moved on to HyperX after that lol

[warm scarab]

gaming company making better headphones than a studio company says a lot

[crimson wedge]

so what do u recommend?

[warm scarab]

what is your budget

and use

[crimson wedge]

use fps games

budget idk

[warm scarab]

okay

[pallid wind]

Just dont go with Razer...

[warm scarab]

sennheiser he1

you are welcome

[pallid wind]

Didn't that company get bought out by someone or something?

[crimson wedge]

what is that a waterbottle?

[warm scarab]

yes

[unborn gale]

bunch of lightbulbs attached to a breadboard

[warm scarab]

that's its tube

it also has a headphone that comes with it

[crimson wedge]

bro sent me worlds most expensive heatphones

like what?

budget i said idk

not infinite

also do u have them?

[warm scarab]

no

[pallid wind]

You should aim for $200

for budget if you have it

[warm scarab]

give me a budget if you don't have 50k

[crimson wedge]

if it is life changing ill spend $500

[warm scarab]

i cant help you with a random number

[crimson wedge]

if not then no

I would like to spend as little as possible

but if it is good

ill spend the money

[warm scarab]

what are the specifications

wired wireless

etc

[crimson wedge]

no specification

for fps games but doesnt sound like shit

wired/wireless doesnt matter

[hasty tide]

you would want wired no matter what though, theres always gonna be noticeable latency with wireless headphones the tech isnt there yet

[warm scarab]

if you want good shit

edition xs b stock

zen can amp

[crimson wedge]

yea another thing

i am not setting up nothing for it

gotta be able to plug and work

the only convincing thing ive heard so far is for the pc38x

[warm scarab]

what is wrong with setting it up

[crimson wedge]

too much work

[warm scarab]

you have to connect

2 cables

[crimson wedge]

into what?

[warm scarab]

if you cant do this i cant give you any advice

from a computer to an amplifier

from an amplifier to headphones

[crimson wedge]

i dont have an amplifier

[warm scarab]

and maybe a power brick

zen can is the amplifier

[hasty tide]

some people just want a good quality headphone that isnt specialized or niche, just something thats reliable

[warm scarab]

you take edition xs

plug into zen can

[warm scarab]

plug zen can to computer

[crimson wedge]

not buying amplifier

[warm scarab]

why

[crimson wedge]

Is it life changing?

am i gonna get an eargasm?

then ill buy it

[warm scarab]

it makes the edition xs not clip like shit and reduce your dynamic range

[elder thistle]

almost done with pc38x valorant demo too

[crimson wedge]

nice

[warm scarab]

its not like we arbitrarily recommend amplifiers

zen air can is a cheaper alternative

or magni 3+

[lean grove]

I choose the ones with the prettiest lights

Chord makes the best amps

Yummy glowing marbles

🤤

[crimson wedge]

are u wearing it?or just left it desk?

[elder thistle]

wearing it that time yes

[warm scarab]

did you record that with ears

[elder thistle]

no with iec711 clone rig

[crimson wedge]

u didnt do it for cloud 2 tho

or if u did, cloud 2 was a lot quieter

[hasty tide]

is this like something where someone in the other room can hear my game sounds?

or does it only leak within the room

[crimson wedge]

no he was like 2 feet away from it

from the other room they can barely hear it

[elder thistle]

yes the cloud II is playing there on my head at about the same volume

[warm scarab]

thats not how it sounds like since you have your own individual pc volume

its for comparison at most

[crimson wedge]

if u listen back u can barely hear the cloud 2 no?

[warm scarab]

eg this is louder than this

[elder thistle]

the difference in sound leakave is just very large

[elder thistle]

yea

[crimson wedge]

so pc38x is A LOT louder lol

[elder thistle]

correct, in terms of sound it leaks to the outside world

[crimson wedge]

then people just outside my door can hear stuff

[crimson wedge]

wait can u do one wearing it?

[elder thistle]

I was wearing both

[warm scarab]

its open back

one is closed

[crimson wedge]

even then?

[crimson wedge]

yea so i need something where people cant hear it

cloud 2 is good for that

[warm scarab]

its barely audible

do you share your room or something

[crimson wedge]

how?did u hear the demo?the pc38x was A LOT louder

[elder thistle]

I was playing both the pc38x and later the cloud II both sealed onto my head and at the same average volume

the microphone was about 2 feet away

[crimson wedge]

but u just said u were wearing them?

[elder thistle]

so the best reference there for how loud it actually is is my voice

[crimson wedge]

so were u wearing them or no?

[elder thistle]

I was wearing them 100% yes

[warm scarab]

it was on the desk

like

2 feet away maybe

[crimson wedge]

he just said he was wearing the headset

[warm scarab]

i meant the measurement rig

not the headphones

[elder thistle]

the microphone was 2 feet away yes

[crimson wedge]

that doesnt matter

[warm scarab]

i have paper walls

[crimson wedge]

My door is like 2 feet from my desk

[warm scarab]

and door

[crimson wedge]

so people in the hallway can hear it

[warm scarab]

my shit is not audible from outside

[crimson wedge]

the buldings in the us suck ass

paperwalls and doors i swear

[elder thistle]

to be fair, a door will absorb a lot of the frequencies let out by the headphones

[warm scarab]

i just have them because cheap

[crimson wedge]

doesnt matter,cloud 2 is a lot quieter thant he 38x from what i heard.

[warm scarab]

all other walls are concrete apart from my room

[crimson wedge]

must be nice

[elder thistle]

yes the sound from the headphones at the same volume is highly contained by the sealed back of the cloud II

and let loose into the room instead in the case of the pc38x

[warm scarab]

pc38x lets out a lot more noise

but it barely matters in the end

most sound dies out with distance

[crimson wedge]

im willing to get the pc38x only if the audio quality between 38x and cloud 2 is as big as the difference of the audio leak

[warm scarab]

and any object absorbs almost everything

[warm scarab]

one is closed back

other is open

latter is objectively better

[crimson wedge]

yea i got that

[warm scarab]

given it isn't a bad open back

jackson is being a cringelord who doesn't understand that echo chambers don't represent human's hearing habitats so ignore the react

[crimson wedge]

i get that the open back sounds better

but it also lets other people hear what im hearing

i do frequently have people come into my room

[elder thistle]

it depends on the model, and very much how you define better

[warm scarab]

let me rephrase

[unborn gale]

only if you're blasting it, people will have a hard time hearing what you're listening too unless they're close up

[warm scarab]

any decently executed open back

is better than any decently executed closed back

[elder thistle]

the neumann ndh20 is the best thing I have, with the most reliable mix translations compared to my hd600

[hasty tide]

i think open back vs closed back is literally preference + if you want more privacy w/ closed back compared to slightly better quality w/ open

[elder thistle]

it dwarfs the hd600 in separation

[warm scarab]

it isn't

one is objectively better

you live in the world

you don't live in an echo chamber

a closed back is the latter

prior isn't

[crimson wedge]

closed back is worse sound wise u mean?

[elder thistle]

the baffle of an open back is an echo chamber

the baffle is more open on an open back

[warm scarab]

yes

[crimson wedge]

yea i got that bro but It also lets other people hear my shit

thats the problem

[warm scarab]

it was a statement to answer dragon's

[crimson wedge]

oh my fault

i mean pretty sure most people know that tho

[warm scarab]

I propose to you one is notably better than the other and people likely wont hear you outside your room unless you absolutely blast shit

[elder thistle]

once again people defining preference as objective

[hasty tide]

fair point, in the context of what sameen wants tho, like, the only option is closed back if he cares that much abt privacy, which is valid

[crimson wedge]

i mean from the audio test he did the open back was 10x louder

if people are in my room they can sometimes hear my cloud 2 when they are close enough

so imagine people outside the room w an open back

[warm scarab]

it isn't an accurate representation

[elder thistle]

there are measurements of dynamic open back headphones running full blast that are louder than vaccuum cleaners

[crimson wedge]

but we could tell the difference no?

[warm scarab]

your windows audio slider is linear

your hearing is logarythmic

at best its one is louder than the other thing

it doesn't represent their real life loudness

jackson can you do the same test with a 1khz tone

and a db meter

provide the results

[elder thistle]

I'm not sure what you're asking or why volume is relevant when I provided my voice as a volume reference anyways

we can hear in the recording that the pc38x leaks a lot more sound per the same volume as the cloud Ii

this scales with windows volume, playback volume, game volume

[warm scarab]

that's not what i was trying to say

anyways

can you measure with a dbmeter instead

for more accurate results

[alpine musk]

Is there a good audio monitoring software?

[warm scarab]

define audio monitoring

[alpine musk]

I'd like to check how the bass for example behaves per channel

[warm scarab]

like of an audio track

or active playback

[alpine musk]

Yeaa

[warm scarab]

spek

dont think its stereo though

its mono

[alpine musk]

I mainly use Spotify, so if it could hook up to the output ideally

[warm scarab]

oh

[alpine musk]

Otherwise I have MPC-BE and PotPlayer

And foobar2000

[warm scarab]

foobar you can just drag and drop files into spek

look for a spectogram plugin

[alpine musk]

oh spek like spektogram

[warm scarab]

musicbee has one

yeah

lol

i got this little graph on the top right of my screen

[alpine musk]

Now I know what to look for. thanks

[warm scarab]

i like it pretty neat

[alpine musk]

Is that the MusicBee?

[warm scarab]

dont think you can find a spectrogram thing for spotify

[pallid wind]

I might not go for the Audioengine A2. Something about the $270 price isn’t attracting me right now. Might try to find something cheaper.

[warm scarab]

an audio visualizer at best

[warm scarab]

yea

its the way i set it up though not like this by default

i like it pretty neat

[alpine musk]

Welp, its more for testing and I have a lot of ripped CDs. its fine

will try it out

[warm scarab]

you rip cds?

[alpine musk]

Yea

[warm scarab]

wacky

you are becoming an extinct species

[errant wharf]

I like my edifier mr4 speakers

[haughty girder]

Get used JBL 305

[errant wharf]

Also an okay option

[haughty girder]

fym okay option

lmao

[errant wharf]

Big for them tho

[haughty girder]

Aside from minor amp hiss, they're about as good as desktop monitors get

[errant wharf]

They need something smaller i think

[haughty girder]

Do you know or are you guessing

because aside from size (and maybe looks), there's no reason not to go 305

[pallid wind]

I’ll take a look. Are they big?

[haughty girder]

They're not that big, but you'll want some space for them

it's like 4 A2s stacked in a grid

[errant wharf]

Jbl 305s are like 11 inches tall

[haughty girder]

closer to 12 iirc

it's about 30cm tall which is just shy of a foot

again, about the size of 4 audioengine A2+ stacked in a grid

[lean grove]

Well Kali has their LP-UNF

[haughty girder]

Budget

[lean grove]

Aren't 305s the same exact price

[haughty girder]

Used?

[lean grove]

I guess

[haughty girder]

LSR305 can be found for pretty cheap

[lean grove]

Yeah they're pretty ubiquitous.

Neumis are also a decent option if you plan on getting a subwoofer

They roll off at like, 80-100hz

But otherwise no reason not to get them over a 305

[haughty girder]

mhm

[errant wharf]

They want like 6 inches tall according to their earlier post, so evwn mr4 are too big

[haughty girder]

6" tall is... nothing

[errant wharf]

Yeah thats tough

[haughty girder]

you're not getting anything bigger than a 2" main driver

ig that's why they were looking at A2 lmao

[errant wharf]

They could do like creative pebbles

Not a good option

[hasty tide]

https://a.co/d/2m8Po8M hey does anyone have any experience with Corsair HS80 wireless headphones? I heard this headphone works both as a wired and wireless headphone which would be perfect for what I want, is this worth the buy?

follow up- how reliable are amazon refurbished headphones? I see theres one for 67$ and its a compelling offer, ive gotten other stuff like my mouse from refurbished prices, but should I be worried someone wore this headset already?

[unborn gale]

refurbished typically means it's been used

and then repaired or whatever

[elder thistle]

my refurbished blackshark v2x was in good shape, looked almost new. the slider things on the wireframe brackets to extend the earcups are kinda loose though. not sure if that's normal or not

[hasty tide]

I looked up an HS80 review, and apparently the max range of the wireless is only 18 inches which is such a heartbreaker, because that mic sounds really good for what it is

the whole reason I wanted a wireless headset was so I could listen to stuff across the room

[unborn gale]

lmao what

my cable is longer than that

[hasty tide]

oh my bad i quoted it wrong, its 18 meters not inches, I was watching a canadian youtubers guide lmfao

[unborn gale]

ok that makes more sense

[hasty tide]

which is respectable and it lets me use the headset across the room

im really 50/50 on this headset, id want to get it refurbished because I wanna save some money, but this headset kinda ticks off every box for what I want

only downside is the flexible band instead of adjustable rails, my heads kinda big

if anyone has any personal experience w/ this headset id appreciate some insight

[unborn gale]

comfort wise, it's much more comfortable

and I guess see if they have a good return policy

too small, just return it, don't even worry about it

[hasty tide]

id be getting it through amazon, idk what their policy is w/ refurbished things but I assume its easily able to be returned

[unborn gale]

it's gonna be somewhere on the listing

[hasty tide]

https://imgur.com/zqDFBxG

all i see

not even a new page

i mean its sold through amazon itself

[unborn gale]

that's not refurbished...

[hasty tide]

what is it then, i assumed it was

[unborn gale]

it literally says "used"

[hasty tide]

ok i guess i keep looking unless i wnna go through with this

[warm scarab]

good mic but bad headphone

cloud 2 are a far better choice

[hasty tide]

ty

its mainly that detachable wire thing thats making the corsair one appealing, to my knowledge cloud 2 wireless doesnt do that

[warm scarab]

maybe I don't know

why do you want wired?

[hasty tide]

i said it earlier, but itd be really convenient to have a headphone that can be wired for zero latency for valorant/music production, but one where if im chilling I can detach the cable and listen wirelessly across the room

I dont want to go full wireless because of the first part

[warm scarab]

you have misconceptions about delay

delay only exists to a notable degree on bluetooth items

every headset uses 2.4ghz receivers

you humanly can't say one has more delay than the other

there should be measurements of this online you should check them

[ocean pulsar]

Cloud 2 wireless should have a 3.5 as well

[hasty tide]

its non zero latency though even with good connections, I already have a wireless mice on a 2.4 bandwidth, so itd be more. I need a zero latency situation no compromise for valorant because anything more is actively hindering performance when i could just be using wired and not worrying about it at all

ill check online but im pretty sure theres a degree of delay w/ wireless headphones because theres alot more bandwidth being used compared to just a wireless mouse (which is why wireless mice are viable in competitive esports in the first place)

[warm scarab]

not being a literal 0 is meaningless

[hasty tide]

i was doing some research on the cloud 2 wireless, and the only cable is a usb c charging, it doesnt give it a wired mode

[warm scarab]

i could introduce 50ms to your audio and you wouldn't notice it

this isn't a mouse or a keyboard

[hasty tide]

i very much would, i play FPS at a high level

[warm scarab]

odds are your motherboards output has that much latency lol

[ocean pulsar]

50ms is alot
20ms is the limit of perception

But most 2.4s are sub 5

[warm scarab]

anyhow you cannot notice the difference between the two

[hasty tide]

this isnt about what I think I want, I know exactly what I want: I want ideally a detachable wired/wireless headphone, or just a wired headphone

[ocean pulsar]

And aptx is usually sub 20

[warm scarab]

this is like I want a 20khz polling rate mouse thing

it doesn't matter after 4k

[hasty tide]

for a normal casual setting ofc it doesnt matter

[warm scarab]

in low latency i presume

[ocean pulsar]

Nope

Aptx low latency is sub 10

[warm scarab]

you are delusional if you think you can tell between 0 to 5 ms

[warm scarab]

in teat environments

in reality 50ms is where it lands

[ocean pulsar]

Found it
Mh670 is the cooler master version of the cloud2 wireless and it has a 3.5

[warm scarab]

and 100-500ms is where regular aptx lands

[hasty tide]

point still stands that I never wanted a full wireless headset at all, I was just asking if a detachable cable wireless headphones exist for a reasonable price thats all

[ocean pulsar]

Lol no

[hasty tide]

ooh ty ill check it out

[warm scarab]

there are a lot of benchmarks that can show you this

[ocean pulsar]

Sbc can fail down to that level

But it takes serious effort to introduce enough interference for aptx to do that without cutting out

[warm scarab]

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/connectivity/bluetooth-connection

186ms on first result

I don't care what latency aptx could have under x conditions if nothing in the market provides it

[ocean pulsar]

Aptx adapters provide it ez

And they use it connected directly to the pc via their own adapter, and I'm pretty sure they aren't using the creative one that is known good

[warm scarab]

the creative one is pretty good

is there a reason why other companies don't copy them

[ocean pulsar]

Their latency measurement also includes all buffers including the ones that are there regardless of if you are wireless

And even with guaranteed 10ms from windows, and who knows what from their app that plays the test sound, the end to end latency is 32ms for aptx low latency

[warm scarab]

that's 32ms minimum isn't it

[ocean pulsar]

I do hate that aptx adaptive considers itself to be low latency when it's double the latency of aptx ll

[ocean pulsar]

22ms

10ms is guaranteed buffer for all audip

[warm scarab]

so its 22ms minimum

[ocean pulsar]

And their application is unknown latency

[warm scarab]

not average right

[ocean pulsar]

22ms or lower for aptx

[warm scarab]

why is there a blue bar that goes up to 340ms

[ocean pulsar]

Because most devices have their own processing that adds on top of that.

[warm scarab]

okay so its not 22ms on average

thank you

[ocean pulsar]

I never said that it was 22 milliseconds on average. I said that that was the maximum of the codec

[warm scarab]

you said it was 22ms or lower

[ocean pulsar]

Correct

[warm scarab]

which isn't average but that suggests a far higher performance

than what you just admitted to it be

[ocean pulsar]

?

[warm scarab]

here

[ocean pulsar]

What is the latency of a wire?

[warm scarab]

depends on the wire?

in any case

the test you provided doesn't say it is 22ms

[ocean pulsar]

What os do they run the tests on

[warm scarab]

it says the end result is between 32 and 340ms

if you need to have literal lab conditions to have prime performance

then that is a fairly useless statistic for anyone in a normal context

[ocean pulsar]

so lets say that you are comparing 2 wires
with wire 1 your latency tests at 300ms and with wire 2 your latency is 301ms
what is the latency of wire 1

[unique wind]

microseconds

[warm scarab]

carmon thats a dumbass comparison

[unique wind]

wired connections do have latency from processing tho

[ocean pulsar]

wrong

[warm scarab]

you aren't going to make a headphone not calculate shit

or process it

[ocean pulsar]

klaus actually got that one right

[warm scarab]

or make your computer not do it

[ocean pulsar]

so what is the answer to this question

[warm scarab]

1ms compared to the other one

[ocean pulsar]

wrong

[warm scarab]

compared

[ocean pulsar]

thats not a correct answer

[warm scarab]

compare
/kəmˈpɛː/
verb
"estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between."

what is 301 - 1

[ocean pulsar]

sure but that doesnt tell you what the number could be

299

[unique wind]

microseconds

[ocean pulsar]

again depends on the cable was a correct answer

[warm scarab]

cables have 300ms delay michael

or 301

[ocean pulsar]

but ill skip to the answer
if your test confirms that a system has x delay, a part of that system must have less delay than the whole (or it may make up the entire delay of the system)

[warm scarab]

okay which makes it prime conditions

So it largely doesn't apply to most products and systems

Thanks

[ocean pulsar]

so 0<=x<=300

[ocean pulsar]

wrong

[warm scarab]

thats such a significant cope

bro aptx has 22ms just change your system

[ocean pulsar]

most headphones with aptx will introduce 22ms or more sure

[warm scarab]

the data you provided doesn't provide where the average is btw

[ocean pulsar]

but many headphones (including wired headphones) will also introduce 30ms or more
particularly ones with anc

when you are looking at a complete system, and blame a single part of that system for the performance of the whole, thats super stupid

[frozen robin]

true

[ocean pulsar]

tldr check reviews of the specific device

[warm scarab]

if you need to replace one or more parts of your system in order to have a negligible amount of delay that makes it prime conditions

which is literally almost always the case

even their tests provide this

you are providing niche examples of little found products using top scores

[ocean pulsar]

you arent saying what you are thinking

[warm scarab]

its worthless information to any consumer

[ocean pulsar]

or the words you are saying dont mean what you think they mean

[warm scarab]

I am confidently saying that the information you are providing is worthless in a consumer context

[frozen robin]

Yeah

[warm scarab]

You aren't going to get someone to change their operating system or its version just to have good Bluetooth delay

[ocean pulsar]

and yet you still come to the wrong conclusions?

[frozen robin]

in your opinion maybe

[warm scarab]

In a test that literally provides 22ms minimum and 332ms maximum you propose that the 22ms is not a prime condition

[ocean pulsar]

fyi the only info i have provided is the actual measurements, which while it doesnt say what you think it says, is actually useful to the consumer

[warm scarab]

and it something seekable

[ocean pulsar]

thats not what i said

[warm scarab]

its literally what you said

twice I believe

[ocean pulsar]

nope

at what point in time did i mention condition

[warm scarab]

Here

[frozen robin]

true

[warm scarab]

You directly disagreed with me

Lmfao

[ocean pulsar]

just because you are wrong doesnt make the opposite true

[warm scarab]

so its not the prime condition but also the prime condition

[ocean pulsar]

wrong

[frozen robin]

??

[warm scarab]

Carmon you literally said it wasn't the prime condition

[ocean pulsar]

you misinterpreted what i said

[warm scarab]

Then I wrote the same thing

And you said it wasn't what you said

[warm scarab]

What did you try to say?

[ocean pulsar]

i said this is incorrect

[warm scarab]

Okay

can you like provide anything that affirms what you say then

[ocean pulsar]

so lets say you have a system that includes a part
and you measure the system as a whole
how do you draw conclusions about that part?

[warm scarab]

if its common for a system to fuck up that particular part

rooted from the operating system it uses and the counterpart headphone

being almost a literal industry standard to fuck it up

[ocean pulsar]

you misunderstand what i mean when im talking about system

the system isnt headphones

the system is rtings testing apparatus

[warm scarab]

its a good representation of an average consumers latency

[ocean pulsar]

sure

now what does that tell you about the latency of aptx

[warm scarab]

it tells me that the shit that uses aptx still doesn't do latency good

[ocean pulsar]

maybe

but what conclusions about aptx itself can you draw

[warm scarab]

I don't care about a technology that may have good latency at some point under certain conditions

[frozen robin]

When this convo is done please ping me so i can ask a question

[warm scarab]

I care about what latency something I buy will provide

[ocean pulsar]

that is my point

[warm scarab]

Just shoot its not going anywhere

[frozen robin]

k

[ocean pulsar]

it ended up exactly where i intended lol

[warm scarab]

It didn't land anywhere different than it landed anywhere where it started

I said the same thing I said just now in the beginning of the argument

Nothing new was established

[ocean pulsar]

you stopped slandering aptx and instead blamed the products as you should

[warm scarab]

I never blamed aptx

Ever

I said lab conditions don't apply to user products

And they still don't

[ocean pulsar]

started with nonsense

[warm scarab]

You said aptx is literally usually 20ms

"usually"

[ocean pulsar]

and what is your response to that?

[warm scarab]

eg using a particular receiver with particular headphones ignoring likely 95% of the market

"usually"

[ocean pulsar]

oh so you didnt get it

[frozen robin]

I am making a home theater setup in my basement and i need a 4.1 or 5.1 channel amp for my surround sound, i already have drivers(i dont know the wattage or the resistance off the top of my head but i can look tmr).
What amp/brand should i look for.
(Under 150USD if possible)

[haughty girder]

aptx does not reach 20ms

unfortunately

aptxll has noticeable compression and that's 40ms

[ocean pulsar]

aptx is a thing, however there are many things that add to make latency
2.4ghz wireless is a different thing, but it in and of itself doesnt add latency, you have to look at the specific product, it can range from .1ms to 1000ms
aptx does actually add latency, and the number is around 20ms, so aptx devices go from 20ms to waaay higher
10ms for LL means that it goes from 10ms to waaaaaay higher

the only way to figure out the actual latency is to look at the product itself
all that aptx ll tells you is its a minimum of around 10ms

[warm scarab]

I recommend you ask in a server called sonic visions, has a ton of hardcore speaker nerds, most people in this chat aren't speaker people

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-MP3-Player/dp/B000WJAE7I

[frozen robin]

ok

[ocean pulsar]

rtings has measured as low as 32ms including windows latency, so thats definetly wrong

although that is for a specific chip so maybe that chip sucks?

[haughty girder]

link

[ocean pulsar]

see here

[frosty ocean]

If I didn't already have a Note3 and a Note8, this would almost be tempting

[haughty girder]

at 32ms you're no doubt trading a lot of audio quality for latency

[ocean pulsar]

aptxll is a CBR format

and again its not 32ms for aptx alone, thats the total time to run the program, send the data to the transmitter, then receive it, dsp it, and then finally output it

[haughty girder]

yea so 32ms is best case scenario

[frosty ocean]

If I buy a used MP3 player it it has music on it, can I legally listen to the music?

"Can I legally listen to music".
I don't like this timeline

[haughty girder]

Yes

What timeline

the only timeline you're complaining about is one you fantasized in your head

[frosty ocean]

yes

[ocean pulsar]

i dont think you would be breaking the law even if the person illegally obtained the mp3s
unless you somehow knew that the mp3s were not legally acquired and sold to you, you probably would be all clear

[frosty ocean]

if the sample of exactly one song I looked it is correct. This is 4GB of 128kbps WMA files

[frosty ocean]

like the people who put movies on players or SD cards and then sell those things?

[ocean pulsar]

youd probably know that that wasnt legal considering full movies have never been sold as files directly

[frosty ocean]

Starz got pretty close

[ocean pulsar]

that seems new enough that they probably already figured out that they would sell temporary revocable licenses rather than the files themselves -_-

[haughty girder]

possession of files is fine, that's why you download music on stuff like spotify or youtube. You just can't distribute it

#notlegaladvice but that's the general rule for most places

[frosty ocean]

yeah, that's about the jist of it. Nobody cares until you start uploading

[haughty girder]

exactly

[ocean pulsar]

well thats not legal still usually

[haughty girder]

it's not legal but nobody cares that you downloaded it

[ocean pulsar]

and in the us it is usually illegal, just noone bothers enforcing it

yep

[haughty girder]

uploading and file sharing are bigger issues and is generally pretty heavily enforced by Google, Mega, Fileshare, etc.

[frosty ocean]

Back when I did such things, I set up the program to not upload as much as possible.

[vernal ember]

Hi All,
I am part of my local Rotary, and I am the tech support person for the club.

I am looking for a portable speaker and microphone combo system, as 99% of the members at the meetings need help hearing the speaker. The speaker-microphone system needs to be portable, but we can use mains power, so it does not need to be battery-powered as we rent a meeting room each week.

I have tried my old SX guitar amp and an XLR microphone but have yet to have much luck.

If someone can recommend anything to me, that would be great.

[elder thistle]

I had a dream that my dt880 fell in some kind of sauce and I could no longer resell it for most of it's retail price

[frosty ocean]

What if...the reason I can't install rockbox....is because the storage on the device is too full...

[cursive garnet]

Am looking to buy a new headset soon what you recommend? Prefer wireless “Budget around 150”

[kind aurora]

Onkyo TX sr607

or the 705 will do too

check ebay listings

they're pretty cheap

so long as you have a subwoofer shouldn't be too hard to find more speakers for it

considering it's a 7.2.2

well actually it's 5.2.2

but it supports 7.2 surround

[cold stratus]

which one is the better option?

[warm scarab]

ive no idea what the hell v0 is

but 320kbps mp3 is the highest quality that mp3 supports

[lean grove]

Try them both and see what you prefer

[atomic bronze]

i am not sure what adapters are required to plug headphones into umc22

[lean grove]

You need a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter.

[atomic bronze]

this?

[warm scarab]

yes

metal ones are generally better in my experience though

seen a lot of the plastic ones break under stress

[ocean pulsar]

only one ive broken was a metal one so ymmv

[warm scarab]

one time an adapter broke in my amplifier

the jack got destroyed trying to remove it

it was an old sony amplifier too

so like there was no hope of replacing the jack unless I ordered the particular jack from like halfway across the world

in the end I asked one of the local repair shop guys to swap the mix in with the headphone jack which thankfully used the same adapter

[lean grove]

Yes

[atomic bronze]

this is great, i had my audio port end up getting clogged cause the headphone jack broke off..

ive been using my display's audio output

but it is significantly more quiet

this seems to be even better than the pc's audio port

makes a bit of sense i guess

i have the worst problem with headphones cables

i keep running over them with my chair

[unborn gale]

Should probably get shorter ones then

Or tie together the cable until it's not too long

[haughty girder]

that's an issue with cable management

[elder thistle]

this one sucks

the 3.5mm plug is hard to push into the adapter and then it's kinda at an angle

intermittent connection happened from various points in the adapter

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084VGXK45

these are pretty nice though

so are the conventional metal ones like klaus said

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EJ5UV3C

I have fistfulls of the threaded kind everyone and their mother ships with their headphones

[molten skiff]

is there any good bluetooth headphones for watching tv

[lean grove]

This is mega cringe dude.

Just get some bass shakers if you want to vibrate

[molten skiff]

cuz my current tv doesnt have a hedphone cable

to plug into

[lean grove]

Maybe. Bluetooth has a pretty noticeable delay so it might be annoying to watch with everyone's lips not synced up

And your TV might not support Bluetooth

But also

Yes there are Bluetooth headphones that will work for watching TV

[molten skiff]

well my tv does support bluetooth

[lean grove]

Okay then yes. Audeze Maxwell.

[lean grove]

Just feels like every few weeks you're in here bragging about how loud your system is, how much your neighbors hate you, etc. like idk what you're expecting but knowingly and purposefully playing music so loud that it annoys people is not something you should be bragging about.

[crimson wedge]

yo

how good is the tygr 300r?

[warm scarab]

pretty good

[crimson wedge]

There are so many opinions on headsets its crazy

[warm scarab]

can't imagine plugging in a speaker to a decent amplifier and turning up the volume is much to brag about

[crimson wedge]

no one can come to a consensus

[warm scarab]

tygr 300r

pc38x

both are good options

pc38x is less tiring on the ears so id recommend that over the tygr 300r unless you play competitively

[crimson wedge]

wdym competitively?

[warm scarab]

tygr 300r has a bit better directional audio

[crimson wedge]

long time?

[warm scarab]

so if you are like a counter strike player

you may value that aspect over the headphone being more tiring

[crimson wedge]

I found a tygr for 50 bucks

considering getting it

[warm scarab]

that's pretty good honestly

id go for it

[crimson wedge]

aight

Hopefully its good

do i need anything extra for it?

or is it plug and play

[warm scarab]

plug and play

[crimson wedge]

nice

so ud say its better than pc38x?

[warm scarab]

id say they are sidegrades

pc38x is a better multimedia headphone

tygr 300r is a better competitive gaming headphone

[crimson wedge]

damnn

[warm scarab]

still decent though

[crimson wedge]

i do both tho

[warm scarab]

you shouldn't think too deeply about it honestly

[crimson wedge]

I do play fps when i have time

[warm scarab]

its not like

day and night

[crimson wedge]

hmm

[warm scarab]

one is just a bit better

[crimson wedge]

ok then we will go by price

i found a 38x for 70

[warm scarab]

tygr 300r doesn't have a mic btw

are you aware of that

[crimson wedge]

i dont need a mic

[warm scarab]

alright then

[crimson wedge]

i got some 2 dollar mic i have been using

[warm scarab]

pc38x has like

[crimson wedge]

ill upgrade later

[warm scarab]

a really good sounding mic

[crimson wedge]

better than like yeti?

[warm scarab]

so if you are planning on getting a mic that may just be a good purchase

[warm scarab]

yeti is like

a 2014 meme

[crimson wedge]

i see

[warm scarab]

it was good then because no usb mic existed

[crimson wedge]

what mic is good?

[warm scarab]

now there is like a billion

but in any case pc38x mic is like really good just go listen to it

I don't think you need to buy another mic apart from it unless you want to do music

[crimson wedge]

nah no music

[warm scarab]

you can google pc38x mic demos and find some youtube vids

just listen for yourself its pretty good

[crimson wedge]

damn

the thing is

i cant tell the difference

lol

[warm scarab]

difference between what

[crimson wedge]

it doesnt sound like the mic ud hear from a streamer

ik there are effects or whatever on their mics

[warm scarab]

its going over internet anyways

apart from discord any game voip will make your mic sound like ass

[crimson wedge]

yea

i do see that pc38x a lot more popular

i see a lot of reviews on it

[warm scarab]

your call honestly, i think the mic is enough

but yeah you can get a better mic for like

30-40$

[crimson wedge]

yea

what do u recommend?

[warm scarab]

fifine t669 is a decent option

it comes with an arm

which is like crucial

[crimson wedge]

i see a lot of mics

that streamers and youtubers use

[warm scarab]

generally overpriced trash

[crimson wedge]

but one thing i see thats common is the quality

[warm scarab]

like sm7b

[crimson wedge]

i wouldnt spend that much tbh

[warm scarab]

its a bad mic

its a mic

but without treble

[crimson wedge]

why is it so popular ?

[warm scarab]

i dont fucking know

it looks popular

and everyone has it

[crimson wedge]

its expensive too

[warm scarab]

so more people want to have it

because they are convinced its good

because so many othes have it

infinite loop

[crimson wedge]

probably cause of podcasts tbh

i swear joe rogan was the first one i saw

[warm scarab]

you can buy literally a ton of mics for sub 100$

and eq it

make it directly better than sm7b

[crimson wedge]

idk much about eq

[warm scarab]

and it wont sound like a muffled garbage

[crimson wedge]

id like to do that

[warm scarab]

its not difficult to achieve sm7b sound

[crimson wedge]

who do u think has good mic?

[unique wind]

earthworks ethos is the sm7b if it didnt stink

[crimson wedge]

so that i can look up and listen

[unique wind]

but it's quite expensive for what it is

[warm scarab]

whatever sounds good to you is good

don't worry about it

[crimson wedge]

idk thats the thing

[warm scarab]

sm7b doesn't sound awful either ok

its just

doesn't have much treble

for no reason

and costs 400$

[lean grove]

And it's over hyped and way too expensive for what people need

[crimson wedge]

i think a mic sounds good when it sounds crispy

[warm scarab]

if it was like 50-100$

[crimson wedge]

clear and no background audio

[warm scarab]

then i could say yeah its maybe worth it

[crimson wedge]

somewhat basy

[warm scarab]

sm7b has good bass and bass resolution

not crisp at all though

[crimson wedge]

U know people w deep voice have "nice" voice?

i expect somewhat similar from a mic

ig the biggest thing from a mic is not picking up background noise

[warm scarab]

technique matters a lot with mic

[crimson wedge]

yea

i am too lazy to do that

[warm scarab]

you can negate 90% of the background noise if you have room temperature iq

you just turn down the gain

[crimson wedge]

since idk much about it

[warm scarab]

get close to the mic

that's literally it

[crimson wedge]

tru

[warm scarab]

people put on max gain

and stand like 15-20cm away from the mic

then wonder why it has bg noise

[crimson wedge]

I used to use nvidia rtx voice

[warm scarab]

not a bad program

[crimson wedge]

it did a really good job getting rid of background noise

yea

i put that through voicemeeter

and it sounded pretty good

the only thing being voicemeter for some reason messed w my pc

so i got rid of it

[warm scarab]

common pattern

it arbitrarily decides to not work after a few months

and makes everything sound like they are clipping on all 3 codecs

[crimson wedge]

my games and everything would crash

my pc would crash too

so i got rid of it

[warm scarab]

the drivers can often be suicidal

haven't heard of it crashing a pc before though

[crimson wedge]

yea

[crimson wedge]

thats prolly a different issue

[warm scarab]

lol

[crimson wedge]

but the games would crash for sure

[warm scarab]

yeah it can do that

games sometimes crash if they fail to use a functional audio driver at times

it can also make youtube videos not load at all

etc

[crimson wedge]

hmm

now the bigger question

tygr 300r or 38x

at least we narrowed down to those 2

[unique wind]

if you mean pc38x then pc38x easily

[errant wharf]

Do you want the mic or no?

[livid ruin]

pc38x w

[crimson wedge]

i mean its not a big deal

unless the mic is really good?

I just assume its a headset mic

[errant wharf]

Pretty much

[crimson wedge]

how bout comfortabillity

i assume they are both open back

[errant wharf]

Tygr are super comfy

Yeah

[crimson wedge]

i found a tygr on ebay for cheap

so maybe ill just get it

[errant wharf]

How much?

[crimson wedge]

pretty cheap

its a bid

so im gonna wait out until the end

[unborn gale]

Aight got some normal sized earpads and normal sized drivers.

Gonna be making normal sized headphones with them soon

[crimson wedge]

yo

" The adapter is a new Sennheiser adapter. The original adapter was messing up , they sent me another and that one also was no good so I bought a Sennheiser adapter and it works perfect. The headphones still look new and sound great !" waht this mean?

[amber jungle]

made a VU meter

[viscid tangle]

Thoughts on the Sennheiser Hd490 pro for a $500 budget.

Currently upgrading from the Hifiman He400se

[warm scarab]

damm pretty nice

[lilac spire]

what headphones should i get for around $100

im fine with wired but bluetooth would be great

[molten lotus]

Jbl tune 760nc?

Should work

[worn prawn]

why would some one spend 7 k on a sub

[buoyant vale]

Why not?

[worn prawn]

Is it funny mom think it crazy same as 1 or 2k on a tv and same as own a movie you just watch 1 or 2 times

[buoyant vale]

The real question is why wouldn't they man up and spend 14k on two subs

[worn prawn]

Because they were ok with a 200 sound bar from vizio they are cheap they even think 1k tv are crazy

[molten lotus]

I upgraded from 400SE to Focal Elex. For gaming these are stupid good. Staging so precise I can ping positions on map with 100% confidence. If $500 is your budget I fully recommend the elex.

One caveat, don't try to see how loud they get, 90% of Focal failures come from pushing volume. They clip mechanically (the driver will hit the mounting and this over time will cause driver failures) this was confirmed by both a focal engineer and from other sources.

And for music the elex are astoundingly good...easily end game range.

[warm scarab]

1k for a decent tv is a standard, 2k is a nice tv

[molten lotus]

Now that oled has come down.

[worn prawn]

That what funny they think 500$ or less is standard rest is crazy with people with too much money

[warm scarab]

2k is nice oled territory

[warm scarab]

my mom would probably also, thankfully my dad is invested in tech subjects and opens budgets for them

[molten lotus]

$300 can get a decent 4k 50" not too much benefit spending more than $600 until you are willing to spend 2k on an oled.

[warm scarab]

50" is small af

[worn prawn]

Lucky my mom thinks 500 or 700 is OK rest is crazy while my dad was OK not thrilled he rather just keep own this

[warm scarab]

and 300$ is led territory

[worn prawn]

A 32 inch 720p

Say it good enough

[warm scarab]

720p

[worn prawn]

He did not care since he sad 10 feet from that thing

[molten lotus]

I got a 55" lg 4k for $300 open box

[warm scarab]

what is the panel

oled?

qled?

led?

[worn prawn]

Do people think it funny

[molten lotus]

Lol no, it's an lcd with mini led backlight and decent hdr, like 50 zones. Which looks good for a 55"

[warm scarab]

i hate how they stopped making 1080p screens

i literally don't fucking care for 4k

[molten lotus]

Monitor.

[warm scarab]

awesome

[warm scarab]

now find me a 60" monitor

[worn prawn]

Lol

[warm scarab]

99% of the tv line is 1080p anyways

who the fuck cares about 4k

[worn prawn]

He was happy with that sound bar a 32 inch 720p tv and dvd from redbox

[worn prawn]

For movies

[molten lotus]

Upscaling is a thing.

[warm scarab]

1080p upscaled to 4k is still 1080p

it doesnt look better

[lean grove]

Poverty struck eastern European man spotted

[warm scarab]

i dont want to pay a fuck ton of money for pixels i will never use in my life

[lean grove]

He's got poor eyesight too.

[warm scarab]

literally only useful for netflix

which of your tv stations provide 4k

[lean grove]

Who watches TV

[warm scarab]

not me

i dont watch movies either

or shows

once in a bluemoon

[worn prawn]

Thne why own a tv

[worn prawn]

We do ncis and fbi

[warm scarab]

watching with people

id rather get a good monitor tbh

[worn prawn]

You just said you don't watch tv

[warm scarab]

yeah

[worn prawn]

???

[warm scarab]

we meant the tv lines

channels

i sometimes watch youtube and other shit on it

[worn prawn]

What is tv line channels we watch fbi and ncis

[warm scarab]

fox news

eurosport

etc

[worn prawn]

Hey my dad like sport lol he pay 50 a month for them

[granite flame]

Looking for some recommendations; I'm setting up a "jam room" to play music with a couple of people, and am wanting to have it all connected to my PC for audio interface and recording purposes, but also use it as a mixer with direct output and basic EQ.

Any recommendations? Trying to keep it on the low end of cost, but not sure where to look.

So far the Focusrite Scarlett 20i18 looks pretty promising, but I'm not too familiar with their UI for mixing the instruments via USB. Anyone do anything similar that has any opinions?

[warm scarab]

focusrite scarlett series is pretty notorious for being poorly built newbie bait

[lean grove]

You might have better luck asking in the podcastage discord. They handle professional audio and recording stuff.

In here it's mostly consumer audio and hifi.

[haughty girder]

Why would you want 1080p in a large TV...

[haughty girder]

garbage take

[warm scarab]

because its cheap

i care about colors

i dont care about resolution in whatever i watch post 1080p

its neat but I wouldn't want to pay more for it

[haughty girder]

how cheap is cheap for you?

[warm scarab]

cheap-er

4k tvs are expensive

especially oled ones

[haughty girder]

because you can get some pretty excellent 4k VA panels with great local dimming for really good prices now

[warm scarab]

and they don't make 1080p ones

[warm scarab]

recommend me something for 600-1k usd then

i dare you

i bet you cant

[haughty girder]

oh I have one

gimme a sec

what size are you looking for?

[lean grove]

I'm gonna save you some time by recommending you not engage with Klaus in good faith argumentation

[haughty girder]

on on hand you'r right

on another it's funny to watch klaus doubledown on shit takes

Hisense U7 line (u78km) all have pretty good full array local dimming, you can even get a 75" 4k for under 1k if you're ok with refurb

I'v egot the 65" one and it's fantastic

not perfect, but very good. HDR looks great, colours seem accurate,

[haughty girder]

Not quite USA site but this is the one I'd recc. That's 1k CAD which should be around 750USD

[warm scarab]

post 50 inch

[warm scarab]

not available unfortunately

michael recommended the same tv

[haughty girder]

U7?

[warm scarab]

company is unobtanium

[haughty girder]

Why'd you ask for usd then...

what country are you in?

[warm scarab]

istanbul

its for my parents

[warm scarab]

globalized currency

[haughty girder]

I mean realistically if you gave the currency and the conversion that'd be easier but sure

are your parents picky about Image quality?

[warm scarab]

sort of

there are a lot of qled lgs that are pretty alright looking

we wanted to step into oled territory but that's way too expensive here

we can get like the early generation lg oled ones

but burn in is a concern in those

[haughty girder]

Yea

uh

Forgot which TCL it was but there's a couple VA ones that aren't bad, running Roku

[warm scarab]

tcl had awful image quality at the store

they may have fucked with the settings to make them look bad though

they looked really dim

was probably on purpose to sell higher end tvs

[haughty girder]

nono some of the models are absolute garbage

so I assume hisense is completely out of the question

[warm scarab]

hisense is just a no

flat out

[warm scarab]

i remember them being some of the more alright ones

i think because they are cheap the staff dims them to make the more expensive tvs look more appealing

[haughty girder]

a lot of them have a peak brightness of around 300 nits...

[warm scarab]

yeah it looked dim as fuck compared to qleds with 200 nits

lol

the staff definitely fucked with cheaper tvs to make them look bad

[haughty girder]

Oh interesting then yea

[warm scarab]

they really want to sell lg shit

im like

i found this oled 45" one for same price as this qled one

why would i get this

and he started telling his life story

then i told him i dont care what your experience is tell me technically why you recommend this

it ultimately ended in me cornering him and him admitting that the tv they didn't have in the store is better

fucking salesmen i swear

[haughty girder]

yea that's... yea

I've seen that tactic before

it's primarily in low training high commission weight sales jobs though

[warm scarab]

yeah

the only technicality he knew was the nits number

which the one i mentioned was higher

and he couldnt name anything else lmao

at least he was honest about the qled having lower nits ig

[haughty girder]

😬

anyway in that case I actually have no clue

[warm scarab]

hisense was your best bet?

[haughty girder]

I only really know North american models

[warm scarab]

shoot away some ill check them out maybe we have some stuff here

major companies are here

[haughty girder]

Well thing is right, LG I can't really put my finger on since for a quality equivalent TV they have the tier 1 pricing so it's more expensive

[warm scarab]

that is true

but they do make banging oleds

[haughty girder]

and some of their TVs in stores just seem very... weird

they do yea

[warm scarab]

with good burn in protection

there is like some toshiba oled garbage that i considered

but burn in

i fear

[haughty girder]

Brands like Toshiba and JVC I'd avoid

[warm scarab]

jvc make tvs?

[haughty girder]

I haven't seen anything worth considering from them in the past 10 years

yea

budget oriented stuff

[warm scarab]

isn't it the same panel

why are they bad in particular

i legit dont know

[haughty girder]

They're all dated designs from like, 2014. Washed out colours (bad colour gamut), poor build, at least what I've seen from em

oh and panel response times already create the fake 120hz effect without "120hz" on

Again, from the ones I've seen here

[modest marten]

guys my audio is wierd, so basically I have a scarlet solo 2i2, every now and again my speakers just have no sound at all, even windows isnt picking up any output but when I click direct mode on the interface to hearmyself I can hear audio from the speakers. How can I fix this? I can always restart to fix it but thats annoying.
the speakers by the way are adam audio t5v

[pallid wind]

Seems like it’s going to sleep mode automatically when there’s no audio. I’ve read about it when I was searching for speakers for my PC.

[modest marten]

Idk how to fix that

[tight hull]

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-meze-99-noir-closed-back-headphones are these good for the price/would reccomend?

[lean grove]

They're not that great.

[tight hull]

elaborate?

[lean grove]

They have a big bass boost which goes too far into the mids and they're closed back,

Poorly tuned.

If you need closed backs for travel, and you can't use in-ears, then the meze 99s look a little better

But if these are just for use at a desktop or listening to music at home then there are much much better options

[tight hull]

1. i need closed back for privacy (shared rooms)
2. what are the better options
3. i like the aesthetic

[warm scarab]

they look good

that's about it

[lean grove]

1. fair enough

2. JBL 710bt, JBL 760, and audeze Maxwell don't have the tuning problems but they're powered headphones.
   Truthear hexa are very well tuned, much cheaper, but are in-ears and might not be as comfortable for long periods of time.

3. fair enough.

[warm scarab]

k371 is probably your best bet

[warm scarab]

wired jbl 710?

[tight hull]

suggestions noted, thx

[lean grove]

Oh yeah I completely forgot about akg k371 and 361 @tight hull

[elder thistle]

also the m50x or shure srh440a/840a

depending on what you want from the sound

[lean grove]

M50x

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonalds-thumbs-down-i-dont-think-so-gif-16021541

[elder thistle]

I need to do some recordings of the m50x vs k371 or something

the divisiveness seems to translate to other people on their own headphones

[warm scarab]

THE WAYNE GIF

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[elder thistle]

do you know what you want from the sound of the headphones?

if tuning's the concern, using eq is free

it would completely remove aforementioned bass boost and patch up tuning issues

still, tone is one of those things people get used to over time

the other stuff can't be changed in any way

[ornate mist]

when at home I always wear my bluetooth headset, either connected to my projector setup or to my phone. My Sennheiser EPOS Adapt headset can connect to both BT sources, but it only allows playing from one at the time, muting the other.

Are there any BT headsets that can play audio from multiple sources simultaneously? watching netflix on the projector while playing games on the phone, playing audio from both.

[ocean pulsar]

Nope, but you can use a pc as an intermediary, https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9n9wclwdqs5j?hl=en-US&gl=US
This app allows you to receive audio, and windows automatically handles mixing

[candid folio]

too much bass or no? it seems to vary song to song

subwoofer is from a JBL Creature, other speakers are a Yamaha MCR 042 system

sub has a -12db preamp

[lean grove]

You might as well be taking a video of your computer screen and asking "is my game running well?"

Your phone mic isn't accurate enough to get any real information

https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-iMM-6C-iDevice-USB-C-Calibrated-Microphone-390-813?quantity=1