audio-tech

[lean grove]

I prefer to keep my audio outside of my motherboard.

[molten lotus]

beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro Over-Ear Studio Headphone https://a.co/d/6Pd6V7S

[ocean pulsar]

you got some measurements to back that up?

[lean grove]

Easier that waym

[molten lotus]

These are the correct ones?

I noticed they have different “versions” of the DT880

[kind aurora]

well i know alot of features like crystalization and Bass modifications are locked down via Drivers

or in this case the APO

[ocean pulsar]

what

i dont think you can make a windows driver that doesnt work with apo any more lel

[molten lotus]

DT880 “Pro”
DT880 “Premium Edition”

[ocean pulsar]

yea uninstall that garbage sure

[lean grove]

Yeah there's an unnecessary amount of confusion there. I don't think there's any version that's "bad" and worth avoiding. Audiophiles like the 32 ohm the least though.

And the pro version have a tighter clamp, the premium have a looser clamp. I think beyer changed the naming on that recently even more.

[lean grove]

Just buy a better DAC.

[kind aurora]

at least i still have DTS Interactive and Dolby Digital Live

[lean grove]

Even more volume.

[ocean pulsar]

yea i get your point, bunch of bs to get rid of, but theres none of that nonsense in the windows default drivers

[lean grove]

Mine goes to +3db 😎

[kind aurora]

uh, why would i get rid of it?!

i find these boons of Modded Drivers

[elder thistle]

1878

[kind aurora]

Dolby Pro Logic 2 is good for those Retro PS1 and N64 Games

[elder thistle]

first use of the 1/4" trs jack

[kind aurora]

and PS2 games

[ocean pulsar]

3.5mm > 1/4

[lean grove]

Bare copper wire is even older

[elder thistle]

lol

[lean grove]

But these are the standards that we should live up to and expect.

Reverse compatibility that spans centuries

[elder thistle]

agree

[ocean pulsar]

sure, but it gets tough with digital

[lean grove]

Pcie is pretty good, I will say that

Same with USB

They can stay

[ocean pulsar]

thats not the audio protocol

UAC and spdif are great tho, those are what needs to be preserved for compatibility's sake

[lean grove]

Hmm. Optical is pretty good too now that you mention it

That one's even more agnostic

In fact it's downright apathetic

[ocean pulsar]

optical vs copper spdif 🤷

[lean grove]

That too.

[ocean pulsar]

the problem is that theres a bunch of bs that people throw over spdif cables that isnt spdif that breaks things

mostly dolbys fault

[lean grove]

My only issue is that optical doesn't have enough bandwidth

[ocean pulsar]

nonsense

[lean grove]

Well, spdif specifically

[ocean pulsar]

again nonsense

theres an immense amount of bandwidth available, it just isnt used or needed

[elder thistle]

I am going to smash an old tv and fire it at tungsten apparently

and then send it through optical cable

[lean grove]

In practice, yes. But it doesn't compare to USB.

I can't send 768khz or Dsd

[elder thistle]

DNA is a very old standard for information

[ocean pulsar]

thats a choice not a bandwidth limitation

[lean grove]

Its all a choice in the end isn't it

https://tenor.com/view/sunset-ocean-relax-boat-documentary-gif-17036898

[kind aurora]

you don't need anything over 48Khz

[ocean pulsar]

if you want the highest bandwidth audio connection, the only option is hdmi, but i chose not to use that (except to adapt it to toslink lol)

[lean grove]

Are you suggesting I play my hi res files at non native bit imperfect playback?

[merry wasp]

anyone has any equivalent recommendations for the Shure MV7 ?(price range)

[lean grove]

I only care if I can play my files at their native resolution.

[ocean pulsar]

unless you have a r2r dac, you already do

[lean grove]

Gasp

Say it ain't so

[lean grove]

Holo may is in my cart as we speak.

I have been tempted to get a NOS r2r for the meme. Bifrost or Holo cyan. Cyan is less tempting since it's always NOS.

[kind aurora]

What's the Highest Bitrate Discord Can stream at?

[kind aurora]

okay what bitrate would HRTF Be apparent?

[ocean pulsar]

32k probably

[lean grove]

Is discord voice in stereo

[ocean pulsar]

i believe its up to the client?

[kind aurora]

this is what happens when you take the time to do something right

uploading

[kind aurora]

@lean grovegood news for you, steam audio just got open sourced 3 weeks ago

[warm scarab]

yes but no

there are ways of streaming stereo like music bots do

last i checked there wasn't a box you could just tick to do it, needed some tinkering

[haughty girder]

Optical only supports compressed 5.1

Not too sure if that's what Nils is referring to here

[ocean pulsar]

And yet I run uncompressed 8 channel audio through optical

[haughty girder]

What format?

[ocean pulsar]

Adat

[haughty girder]

ok so we're comparing apples and oranges here

[ocean pulsar]

But you can just run pcm as long as your decoder supports it

[haughty girder]

5.1 most commonly used is DTS

which is lossy compressed

[ocean pulsar]

And I don't have any devices that support that

Yet 2ch 24/192 lpcm is ez pz

[haughty girder]

yea?

That's not the issue

[ocean pulsar]

24/192 2ch is the same bandwidth as 24/48 8ch

[haughty girder]

you have different packing methods for different formats

[ocean pulsar]

reread the convo with nils in case you are still confused

[haughty girder]

He mentions DTS using SPDIF which is the difference here

USB 3.1g1 has a fraction of the USB 3.1g2 despite having the same connector for the same reason

Still stand by my point, you're comparing apples and oranges

[ocean pulsar]

🤷 if you think that, i need to clarify

what did i say that makes you think that

[haughty girder]

you claiming that optical has the bandwidth doesn't matter at all then disregarding SPDIF over toslink

"optical doesn't have enough bandwidth" is indeed nonsense.

[ocean pulsar]

when did i say that "the bandwidth doesnt matter"

[haughty girder]

but once Nils clarified SPDIF, then he's correct, there's not enough bandwidth

[haughty girder]

nono you said "optical has the bandwidth" which doesn't matter.

[ocean pulsar]

so you need to read further back in the convo is what i gather

[haughty girder]

To draw a comparison, USB C has the bandwidth to run a pcie 4x slot.

It doesn't matter

[ocean pulsar]

except it does because i do

[haughty girder]

Optical has the bandwidth for 8 channels when you're not using SPDIF

[ocean pulsar]

and it still has the bandwidth for running 8 channels when you are

it just chooses not to

[haughty girder]

Not losslessly

[ocean pulsar]

yes losslessly

[haughty girder]

After you pack in DTS data for positioning?

It's not just 6 channels of audio, or 8

Again, it's not a conversation of Optical vs Copper but rather SPIDIF vs literally any other optical format

and the specific use cases of each

[ocean pulsar]

cant find dts, but atmos uses less

even if you didnt want to eat into the immense amount of remaining bandwidth that spdif has, theres still plenty laying around for measly positioning, they just chose not do to it

[haughty girder]

this is on top of not wanting to make setting 5.1 up more expensive than it needs to be with the processor.

[tough lava]

oh this is absolutely perfect

native vban in pipewire is SO much better. much tighter latencies

[tough lava]

3666.429 frames 76.384 ms total roundtrip latency

That's the latency measurement from jack_iodelay measuring vban to desktop->voicemeeter to output->vban back to server

[slim mason]

why does bro have thug shake in the background

[tough lava]

it literally says the song name 😛

[slim mason]

and you chose to pause it right there :D

[tough lava]

ironically, didn't even notice, AND it's not even paused, I just took a screenshot 😄

[warm scarab]

thug shake lmao

[frosty ocean]

Can I get a moment of silence for anybody who actually paid 400 dollars for an iPod?

I only paid 80 dollars and I hate myself

[warm scarab]

which ipod

[haughty girder]

Yea exactly, which ipod

[tough lava]

.... I have owned multiple iPods.

[river pine]

I wish there were wireless headphones of naim sound quality and of studio microphone quality but also with transparency mode (like open back) and also a noise cancelling mode

[frosty ocean]

Touch 7th gen 256GB

[frosty ocean]

I think the only wireless way to transmit high quality audio is with 8-24000Hz signals

[river pine]

The point is, I seem to always have wants in products that just dont exist

[frosty ocean]

if by "wireless", you mean Bluetooth, also consider, even if the quality is good, It'll probably cut out constantly

[frosty ocean]

https://www.apple.com/sg_smb_5200/shop/product/FVJE2ZP/A/Refurbished-iPod-touch-256GB-Space-Grey-7th-Generation

[unique wind]

i didn’t know they made ipods up to a gen 7

[frosty ocean]

it was the last one

CPU 1.64 GHz 64-bit dual-core[3]
Memory 2 GB LPDDR4 RAM[3]

Graphics Custom Imagination PowerVR (Series 7XT) GT7600 plus (hexa-core)[4]

[warm scarab]

oh ok

so a phone

but without an sd card slot

[unique wind]

yeah pretty much

ipod touches were iphones for children

[slim mason]

bathys are probably the closest to that but no headphones really have a good mic

[full cape]

whats a good Mic for about 100€ ? best would be something people use for Podcasts as example.

preferably USB, but XLR is also okay

[frosty ocean]

In the USA, You can probably find a Yeti for like 25-50 USD, but in the EU? Not sure how your money is or how much you charge for electronics

I'd honestly use a PS Eye for a podcast...and those are like 5-15 dollars at Gamestop

[frosty ocean]

Do you know what country you're in?

[full cape]

Germany

[frosty ocean]

ahh, great country

do you just wanna spend 100 and hope it's good?

or do you wanna spend less?

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Microphones-microphone-recording-streaming-adjustable/dp/B014PYGTUQ

Is Blue still good? Was it ever good?

[errant wharf]

I hear blue has gotten worse since logitech took over

Im pretty happy with my samson go mic

[frosty ocean]

If this is an old model, the Logitech wouldnt affect it, right?

[frosty ocean]

I like my Samson Meteorite Speakers

[errant wharf]

You would have to find a fairly old one. They got bought in 2018

Meteorite also okay for the price

Not as versatile

[frosty ocean]

I dont think Meteorite Speakers would make very good microphones

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Hw6QBbL-L._AC_SL1500_.jpg

[errant wharf]

Oh sorry, i was thinking the Meteorite microphone

Also from samson

[warm scarab]

in like 2013 yeah

post 2015 no

[lean grove]

Wouldn't it be funny if the answer was "no"

[full cape]

Well, it would be good if its just 100 bucks. i got a pretty tight budget since im in apprenticeship and only get 700 a month, of which 500 go to rent and my other needs

i already got a Focusrite Scarlet for cheap from a friend if i need it, just need to dm him

[full cape]

they do look like microphones from the old days lol

[frosty ocean]

or "nein".

[frosty ocean]

I don't know about many brands, but I'd say buy from a friend, or get the Blue for 40.

[full cape]

😭

[frosty ocean]

"Ah! He must be Polish!"

[full cape]

The focusrite scarlet is only a XLR Interface. I'd still need the mic lol

[frosty ocean]

oh...

[full cape]

[frosty ocean]

I don't know much of anything about products that use XLR. Never really used it myself

[full cape]

Hmm ok

[lean grove]

Get a behringer xm8500 or a shure sm58

If you want USB, I use a Samson q2u. Atr2100 is also a good option.

[warm scarab]

trash interface man

unless its for like 20-30$

avoid

[crisp moat]

No wonder the sub sounded a bit hollow, I know it’s a cheap one, but come on

[errant wharf]

Missing a few bits there

[crisp moat]

Might’ve overdone it, but I’m sure it’s gonna be better

[lean grove]

What were you expecting

[crisp moat]

Something probably

[warm scarab]

I don't think random foam will do much

if anything

[crisp moat]

I've had one Jamo sub before, and that did have foam

This was surprisingly empty

[lean grove]

It will help with some high frequency inner reflections (which won't matter since the woofer won't be playing any high frequencies) and increase the "volume" of the box slightly

[warm scarab]

Type of foam and it's placement matter

That's just acoustic foam

It won't touch sub 100hz

[lean grove]

It might.

[warm scarab]

barely maybe

id wager the difference to be close enough you could call it placebo

[lean grove]

The foam makes the sound waves slow down, so the box seems like 5% bigger (not a real number) to the sound waves

Polyfill would have been a better option since it takes up more space. With that you can drop the tuning of a subwoofer by a few hz and squeeze out just a little bit deeper bass

Or bracing. Bracing would have also been good.

Just a dowel or something

Keep the box nice and rigid

[crisp moat]

Doesn't seem to peak at around 90-100hz that badly anymore

[full cape]

he'd give it to me for 25€. so its fine

[haughty girder]

wait so if you already have an interface, why bother with a usb mic

do you know which Focusrite scarlet it is? They all have good build and decent preamps but drivers can be kinda dysfunctional

[frank fjord]

Guys I need your help again need gamer headset, have the seinheisser pc37x after you guys recommendation but kept dropping or get tangled around chair, so the mic isn’t working great now, I’m thinking I need wireless or will I just buy these again please advise, best recommendation I ever got truly were great headset

[lean grove]

Audeze Maxwell

[frank fjord]

It states PlayStation or Xbox looking for PC

[unborn gale]

Pretty sure it works fine with PC

it uses Bluetooth

unless I guess your PC doesn't have bluetooth then it wouldn't work

[frank fjord]

So which one would I get for pc as there are 2 variables for PlayStation or x box

[lean grove]

From their FAQ

[frank fjord]

Great thanks so much

[molten lotus]

AKG N40 vs Sennheiser IE 300?

[nova wagon]

i reckon ie200 would be a better choice

[full cape]

i think i didnt explain it correctly. a friend offered me one for 25€. i didnt buy it yet.- i'd still need a mic and all the cables. its a scarlett solo 4th gen.

[warm scarab]

you can solder a new cable

or get someone to do it for you

[frank fjord]

The mic works but kind of static with it, haven’t soldered in 26 years and probably cant afford the hospital bills

[warm scarab]

you could probably find some dude to replace the cable for 15$

[haughty girder]

4i4 or actually a 4th gen

[full cape]

A 4th gen

[haughty girder]

Go for it

For the most part 4th gen drivers are fine

[full cape]

Ah ok

[safe kestrel]

Is the HyperX cloud 3 wireless a good option

[supple mauve]

hey guys, i need some help choosing a headset. i need a better headset for work (office), but something that also has decent sound for listening to music(i currently use beyerdynamic DT 1990 pro at home).
what ill probably need is a closed back headphone, with a boom mic. I've been looking around, and possibly found that the beyerdynamic MMX 300 gen 2 might be a good fit, but i see others say that a beyerdynamic dt 770 + modmic might be better (and they are kinda the same thing anyways?).

or is there something completely different i can look at? (roughly the same price or less)

[errant wharf]

Do you need an attached microphone?

[supple mauve]

i cant really have a mic on the desk

[errant wharf]

Look at the pc37x or the pc38x

Dt770 is generally disliked

[supple mauve]

arent those open back?

[errant wharf]

Yeah

[supple mauve]

i need it to be closed back :/

[errant wharf]

Cloud 2?

[supple mauve]

that would do the job, but isnt there anything better than the cloud 2s? 😅

[errant wharf]

For closed back with a mic? Not really unless you look st the audeze maxwell

[supple mauve]

and a closed back + ModMic not worth it?

[errant wharf]

Mod mic is just added cost for a bad mic

You could just get a better headset without spending money on a modmic

Look at the audeze maxwell if its in your budget

[supple mauve]

hmmm

are you able to use the maxwell with just cable?

(i just have bad experience with wireless headsets)

[errant wharf]

Yeah

Should be able to

[supple mauve]

hmm, might think about that, thanks 😄

[errant wharf]

3.5 or usb c

[supple mauve]

to be fair, i have many open back headphones 😅 but yeah, useless when i need a closed one

(sennheiser g4me one, sennheiser gsp 600, sony xm4, sennheiser 560s, and my beyerdynamic dt 1990)

just think that the xm4s wouldnt do so well in an office space with the built in mic

bass is also quite muddy

[elder thistle]

dt770 is a good solution if you mainly want to keep some soundstage

very wide closed backs

[reef wagon]

Interesting issue in the live audio world of things. ghost fader or wondering fader. The fader just does its own thing and will keep going until it decides to stop. Caught it on camera finally.

[left cypress]

Does anyone know where to get top quailty xlr cables from?

[wheat moss]

x32?

[reef wagon]

Yep! A workhorse

[wheat moss]

Eh

We had one in intermediate school in 2016, it had the same issue, behringer just replaced the whole desk instead of fixing it

The SI impact I used in high school was far better, and had no issues

[reef wagon]

Yeah it’s a cheap board for a reason. I’ve seen the issue on a digico SD9, so it’s not an issue exclusive to cheap mixers.

[reef wagon]

Most XLR with a Neutrik connector will be top quality.

[alpine musk]

Hi, can **someone with Maxwell **play themselves Sugar by System of a Down and tell me if they hear this weird crackling...?

From 0:48 for example, those little sharp pops...
I tried to compare it with PC38X, but they are just too muddy and I don't clearly hear much detail behind the bass...
Maybe it's just me not knowing how the song truly sounds with proper cans. Asking you cuz Planar crackle of death issue sounds horrifying!

[tight hollow]

no pops for me and im running a really sketchy audio adapter from my home assistant server running a plugin called spotify connect

[alpine musk]

I tried to compare it with PC38X, but they are just too muddy and I don't clearly hear much detail behind the bass...
You are playing it on speakers and as you said sketchy adapter. So you are basically having the same thing as me with PC38X.

[tight hollow]

theres a photo of the audio setup if wanted

[alpine musk]

That is why I specifically asked about the Maxwell to know if it's only my unit

[tight hollow]

yeah the adapter is working fine for me right now, im just hoping it breaks so i have an excuse to get rid 😭

[elder thistle]

is it repeatable on lower volumes

[alpine musk]

Yes

[elder thistle]

I don't have the maxwell, but I do have some headphones that are theoretically much more revealing of issues like this

I played the official video on youtube and didn't hear any pops aside from the staticy news reporter thing at the beginning of the song

[alpine musk]

I feel like going from 24 bit 96kHz to 16 bit 48 kHz made it go away

[elder thistle]

oh good

yeah it may have been buffer overrun issues

high sample rate is famous for causing buffer overruns/crackles and pops under certain usage conditions

[alpine musk]

ok... it doesn't help that Sugar has cymbals that sound like crackle

I might be interpretting that as the crackle, too

[alpine musk]

huh... wouldn't assume to do that on Spotify

That's basically MP3 quality.

[elder thistle]

yes but that information is used to reconstruct the audio as 24/96k

[alpine musk]

ah, it will "upsample" it and do it incorrectly

[elder thistle]

well, windows upsampling and downsampling interpolation is generally excellent

but it has to feed all that data to a usb dongle designed for low latency

it leaves little room for extra processing and tasks that get performed on the audio

[alpine musk]

I set it up, it worked, so I went with it.
Plus Audeze on Reddit says to contact them to people having this issue.

But yeah... 96kHz is useless if I am not mastering music and 24 bit probably, too.

I would need >1000$ cans and lay back to maybe hear a difference

[elder thistle]

cymbals in that song appear to have a messy compressor acting on them, since their volume is fluctuating with almost instantaneous jumps

[alpine musk]

They really do sound weird at some places. I can hear them just fine, but then they becomes just pops...no reverb or how to call it...

[elder thistle]

44.1k provides the same audible information as 96k (and same with 16 bit unless you're listening to field recordings of explosions in full dynamic range)

the main discrepancies people like to pull up are the phase alterations of the lowpass filter and thinking there's aliasing or resampling artifacts

96k is sometimes used to master music because some old effect plugins are able to cause actually real aliasing sometimes, and it's a slightly effective technique to reduce the volume of the aliasing by making the nyquist point go up

but it's a pathetic and inefficient/incomplete way to do it, and they'd instead use 192/384khz or a different plugin that doesn't cause an aliasing mess or has internal oversampling

this stuff isn't encountered with media playback

[left cypress]

i think its more about the sheilding on the cable thats the problem for me

i think they are picking up a lot of interference on the way

so im not sure if its the cable or the connector thats my problem

[reef wagon]

Oh interesting. Do you have a lot of extra coiled up?

Have any ferrite chokes laying around?

[alpine musk]

@elder thistle Thanks a lot for shinning a light on this

[left cypress]

whats that?

[reef wagon]

Magnets. They can help with RF interference on cables sometimes.

[left cypress]

yeah a bit, i need to buy shorter cables which is one of the reasons im looking for new cables in the first place.

[left cypress]

i doubt i have any of thoes

[reef wagon]

Coiling cables can turn them into a radio antenna.

[pastel sluice]

Hi guys,i need a opinion.I ordered jbl 710bt so i need a opinion are they good or nah?

[lean grove]

you're gonna find out when you hear them :)

[errant wharf]

Why would you ask if they were good after you already bought them

[lean grove]

asking for other people's opinions on something you already bought is never a good move

[errant prairie]

yes on that subject im shopping for wireless usb headsets rn

[haughty girder]

Purchase validation is a bad mindset

[livid ruin]

https://youtu.be/d_c774Bxwpc? musicc

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-nasty-disgusted-gross-spongebob-squarepants-gif-16884688

[fallen mulch]

Hello, I need a basshead IEM advice, I find two models, KZ Castor Bass and CCA CRA. Are they any good for bassheads? If not, my wallet is 20$.

[drowsy blade]

for that prize KZ or KBears are your Goto's

[buoyant vale]

[candid cosmos]

For good Audio, go moondrop chu.

For basshead... Idk - use eq xD

[fallen mulch]

chu is not available in my country

chu 2 exists, but it doesnt have mic

[candid cosmos]

Id go chu2 and get a mic

Or cable with Mic.

For higher Budget if you like Bass zero:red is an Option.

But thats like 60usd

[ripe gate]

hi i need noise cancelling wireless bluetooth headphones recomennd guys

[plush lake]

edifier W950nb

they pretty good i cant lie

[molten lotus]

I am actually loving the combination of SMSL M300SE and focal elex

[alpine musk]

Hello,
how could I record both in-game audio, Discord audio and my audio when using Shadowplay?

I bought Audeze Maxwell and to take advantage of game-chat mix you have to seperate them to "Game" and "Chat" outputs.
This results in Shadowplay capturing only the game audio and my microphone.

What would be the least resource intesive way to solve this? I missed some great moments because of this.
Thanks

[fair pawn]

it's a pretty sweet combo

[hexed coral]

I'm looking for a headset that has good sound quality and all that stuff. What would be the best price for something like that?

[dense pilot]

i got a speedlink headset its great

[hexed coral]

whats a gaming headset

im looking for something without a mic and wireless

[dense pilot]

ohž

on amazon or irl stores

[hexed coral]

idm either

[dense pilot]

what price range about

[hexed coral]

hmm

maybe under £70

[dense pilot]

nice ill check it out for you

[hexed coral]

whats the average price of a pair of headphones with good quality speakers, wireless and no mic

[tender frost]

Just get hyperx cloud 2 and don't plug the mic in

Oh wait

Get the AKG K361BT or K371BT or whatever

[hexed coral]

if it didnt have a mic and was wireless then yes

but it has a mic and is wired lol

[tender frost]

You can unplug the mic from every version of that headset

[hexed coral]

why does wired cost more than wireless?

[tender frost]

Usually other way around

And it depends on how the seller is feeling

[hexed coral]

£74.78 extra for wireless 💀

if you find any lmk

[unborn gale]

PC37X

or Maxwell if you want the best headset when it comes to sound quality

[hexed coral]

i wouldn't mind something like this but if it was darker colours

let me see what that is

[unborn gale]

or if you're super rich, Audeze has one that's like $800

[hexed coral]

i think those are wired

[warm scarab]

bt onews aren't good

different headphones

[warm scarab]

pc37x is probably your best bet

or pc38x if you have the extra dime

[hexed coral]

not wired

[warm scarab]

what's your budget again?

[hexed coral]

like £70-80

[fair pawn]

I don’t like wireless headphones for PC, it bothers me to have to remember to charge it

[warm scarab]

yeah stick to wired man

you aren't finding anything half decent wireless for 70 pounds

cloud 2 wireless is like the cheapest non garbage option id propose

or maybe nova 7 which isn't really good either

usable at most

[hexed coral]

ok how much does a decent one cost?

[hexed coral]

wires make the setup messy lol

[fair pawn]

Depends how you put it

[hexed coral]

how would u put it

[hexed coral]

your desk must get dusty

what do u think about this?

[fair pawn]

Unfortunately so, have to keep cleaning it

[fair pawn]

Not great

[hexed coral]

whats the difference between headphones and headset

what do you think about razer headsets

check out these

are these good

[errant wharf]

Razer👎

[hexed coral]

what about this

[errant wharf]

Need to be wireless?

[hexed coral]

ye

might change my mind later if i cant find any wireless

[errant wharf]

Like they said above. You wont find good wireless for under 100

[hexed coral]

ok what about wired then

how much money would i need to use to buy a good wired

[unborn gale]

however much the PC37X costs for you

[errant wharf]

$99 on drop

[hexed coral]

that looks kinda ugly

[errant wharf]

So?

Do you want it to sound good or look good?

[hexed coral]

both

[hexed coral]

💀

1970s type headphones

[lean grove]

wait till you see how much they cost

[hexed coral]

im currently using half a headset

[lean grove]

well i wish you the best of luck trying to find your perfect headphone

if you're willing to only settle for sounding good, the pc37x is still a good choice

[errant wharf]

They wished they looked that good in 1970

[lean grove]

yeah actually 1970s headphones looked goofy as hell

[unique wind]

id still rather use these instead of the dt990

[lean grove]

you havent heard floats

[unique wind]

cant be worse than 990s

[lean grove]

you cant afford floats either

[unique wind]

how much do they go for

[lean grove]

i have no idea

most are falling apart and scuffed to hell

[errant wharf]

Magazine ads for them are $15 on ebay

[lean grove]

thank you t man

im seeing $200 for a mega crusty one or $1000 for a cleaner one

[errant wharf]

Thats all i could find

[hexed coral]

any headsets with decent sound and wireless

doesnt have to be top quality

[lean grove]

weirdly enough all the listings im finding are from like, german and spanish craigslist

[unique wind]

audeze maxwell

[lean grove]

https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/650066731-jecklin-float-electrostatic-refurbished-by-quad/

[unique wind]

hifi

[lean grove]

$1500

id rather have 990s + $1400

[unique wind]

same

then ill sell the 990s to some sucker

maybe a retired mechanic or band player with hearing damage

theyll appreciate them

[lean grove]

or a gamer

would sell real quick on fb marketplace at the right price

[unique wind]

gotta throw in all the buzz words

"Open Back Reference Gaming Headphones"

[unique wind]

sold

[errant wharf]

Dang

That bad?

[lean grove]

they're just overhyped

[errant wharf]

Oh im sure

[lean grove]

they're affordable and have that "fun" sound signature that a lot of people want. some streamers use them so in a lot of gamers minds they occupy this spot of being an entry point into hifi

which, to a degree, they are. but its arguable that there's better options out there.

[errant wharf]

Aren't 880s generally better?

[lean grove]

they dont have the massive v shape so they're a lot more neutral

if thats what you care about, yes they're better

[unique wind]

they have a lot of bass distortion and jagged treble

theyre only really listenable at low volume, otherwise youll want to throw them across the room

[errant wharf]

Geez

[lean grove]

every dynamic headphone has bass distortion

in fact every headphone at all has distortion

the distortion extends wayt more into the mids tho

[errant wharf]

Thats a nasty spike

[lean grove]

the green line represents "beyond loud" listening levels

the blue line is already quite loud

so its really showing the worst case scenarios

but yeah the treble is what, most audiophiles at least, complain about the 990

it doesn't help that the 990 also just has a ton of treble in that region

it it makes its own worst case scenario.

that being said people wear 990s every day. for hours. and give them 5 stars on amazon. doesnt mean they're good, but it just means that people like them.

[umbral charm]

Does anyone know what could be causing my mic to not pick up audio sometimes? When I'm in a call with my friend and he asks a question, I'll answer him. But he repeats the question cos he can't hear me. So I repeat myself, same tone, same distance from the mic and he hears it.

No clue why it happens. Not sure if that's a discord issue at all? But it's starting to get super annoying so want to see if there's any way I can get it fixed.

[errant wharf]

Strange, and arent they meant to be one of their higher tier reference sets?

[errant wharf]

What mic?

[lean grove]

if $100 is high tier and a massive v shape is reference, yes

i think the 1990 is their high tier reference headphone

the 990 is more entry level

they've also got their tesla headphones which are like, $1000

[errant wharf]

Fair. I haven't even looked at their actual high end stuff

[molten lotus]

Samsung EO IC 100 best under 30$??

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[lean grove]

7hz salnotes zero 2 are $25.

[umbral charm]

Blue Snowball ice

[lean grove]

if i had to guess, it sounds like its either internet speed or some sort of noise gate.

a noise gate is a way for audio to get muted if its not loud enough, so an auto mute will engage if you're too quiet

[molten lotus]

is it just me or are the HD 490s the best looking sennheisers yet

[lean grove]

try turning off advanced voice activity and if that doesnt work, all the other voice processing stuff discord has and see if that fixes it

[umbral charm]

Alright I turned that off. If I run into the issue again Ill try that. Thanks

[elder thistle]

yes but that's still under 2% at concert levels

nobody is going to hear the thd of that area

[elder thistle]

I don't like that they're bald at the top

but I do like seeing the driver and the baffle

just... now that I've seen it's some bog standard 5x0 series driver, can't look at it the same way

beauty contest part 4

marginally related note,

rockville pro-m50

this is not as much of an m50x clone as I thought

despite the identical baffle, cup, and primary earpads, the driver is different and doesn't have the rear damper cap thing the others do

there are vents on the upper part of the earcup, and the bass actually sounds close to neutral this time

but the instrument separation, transient response, stage, and imaging are all similar to the actual clones

also this was beaten to shit by ups and the right side driver is distorting at normal volumes so I'm gonna replace it

comes with felt earpads too that provide less bass, ear pain, and more treble that might actually be smoother

[molten lotus]

can i enter the beauty pageant

[elder thistle]

yes

[molten lotus]

epic

i also have the hd660s

this is an old ass picture

so old that i had the macbook air on a lapdesk thing

i dont even have that computer anymore

[elder thistle]

I love the rear damper on those kinds of headphones

[molten lotus]

600 series are so pretty

mechanical beauty

like a good big block v8

i also have these (FOOTAGE LOST)

[elder thistle]

external vs internal fashion I suppose

[molten lotus]

found footage

[elder thistle]

out of what I have, I probably like the dt880 prem. the most in terms of external looks

[molten lotus]

i love my 109 pros so much

[molten lotus]

also dont worry theyre designed to do that

now this.... is peak audiophile

[elder thistle]

legendary

[molten lotus]

they actually sound really good

(i dont know how that statement holds up because i havent listened to them since getting my mezes

[elder thistle]

what do you think of these

[molten lotus]

man i just dont trust shure

[elder thistle]

yes, fair

[molten lotus]

my dad owns a pair of shure SRH1540 and theyre the worst fucking headphones ive ever listened to

[elder thistle]

also those headphones distort so bad

[molten lotus]

he likes them somehow

its actually laughable to me

all i hear are mids

[elder thistle]

I liked mine, but it's been a while

[molten lotus]

they're built alright actually but the pads remind me of a cheap car seat

[elder thistle]

it's possible your ears didn't fit well in it or the earpads were worn out

[molten lotus]

noo he bought them like a year ago and theyre still in perfect condition

[elder thistle]

oh ok

[molten lotus]

yeah idk whats wrong with them or me

but i just hate them

maybe i just hate close backs?? idk

airpods max sound very pleasant to me

[wheat moss]

shure must be making absolute bank
still selling the Sm58/7 for 100, with R&D cost paid off before most of us were born

[molten lotus]

i have the same opinion of shure as i have of KOSS

like wha?? wheres the appeal

i dont know anything about koss headphones

[elder thistle]

I have a 9 year old picture somewhere

[molten lotus]

i do know porta pros exist

[wheat moss]

the Sm58 feels cheaper than my Sennheiser E 845 that cost the same

[molten lotus]

THIS is period correct plastic quality

[elder thistle]

look at this person

[molten lotus]

how old are those tho

[wheat moss]

E 845 is from this century

[molten lotus]

idk when they first started making them

i mean the SRH1540

[wheat moss]

sm58 is from the 60s

oh lol

[elder thistle]

srh1540 2013 apparently

[molten lotus]

thats okay i guess

[elder thistle]

that picture's from 2015

[molten lotus]

i shoulda told my dad to pick up some hd600s

[wheat moss]

the E 845 has far more aluminium in the body, and a much nicer tip

[molten lotus]

my favorite headphone of all time /j (this is what i get upon one google search

is this what you are talking about

i am lost LOL

[wheat moss]

why do you think I was comparing it to the Sm58?

lol

[molten lotus]

oh

i know nothing about mics sorry 😭

i just figured they were headphones 😂

[wheat moss]

#audio-tech message this is where I started lol

[molten lotus]

ah

[haughty girder]

Shure SRH840 are fantastic

I don't know how's the 1540 I've never used em before

[unborn gale]

sound good, comfortable, built like trash

and your SRH840 won't last much longer anyways so enjoy it while it lasts

[haughty girder]

It's not mine

it's in a studio where its been abused

Realistically, if you don't abuse them they can last for quite a while

[elder thistle]

realistically they can last 2 days and break the 3rd time you put them on, like they did for my friend

srh440 and 840 are legendary in how easily they break

worse than koss, worse than nth100

I don't think anyone should be recommending it given the severity of the flaw

those headphones ended my business with sweetwater after they showed some very skiddish behavior and XOR'd the return policy wording

[ripe gate]

what about soundcore q30?

[haughty girder]

You'd have to have a real melon head to that, respectfully

[copper ermine]

I'm currently using some old ass amp that only supports rca, and the rear channels don't do anything, can anyone recommend a good amp i can connect up to 8 speakers + subwoofer to that supports rca, HDMI and aux inputs

[quaint drift]

oh yeah tinnitus

love it when it rings

[spice harbor]

I am moving my desktop PC out to the living room desk, and am trying to figure out how much I can move to wireless peripherals. There is ~10 feet between where the tower will be and the desk, plus however much slack I need for the headphones. I currently have a HyperX Cloud II wired headset, and for music/listening I have the Sony WH-1000XM4 which are wireless. I love to play Rust, which means I need my sound with no lag and I need spacial sound so I know where the grubs are before I get DBed in the back. Should I 1 ) stick with the HyperX and get an extender cable, 2) try the Sony on bluetooth or 3) buy something brand new?

[quaint drift]

only thing I do know is theyre at their lowest latency using ldac codec, using that is difficult tho... aptx might be usable but only thing I can tell u is try?

fiio makes stuff that support ldac supposedly

[molten lotus]

LDAC is extremely inefficient

Would rather APTX Adaptive or aptX Lossless

[ocean pulsar]

good luck finding devices that transmit lossless or adaptive higher than ldac

adaptive and lossless are better if you can use them

but its such a pain to use them, and the xm4s dont support either

[remote tangle]

Is it ok for the stylus to be moving back and forward slightly?

[steel escarp]

I do not need an sm7b apparently

got some voice samples recorded with really good mics and fed them to the AI voice model I was warking with, although it was slightly better, it was not the result I was hoping for

[lean grove]

Yes that's normal

[warm scarab]

i think your record isn't flat

which isn't you should be concerned about since its not bad enough to be an issue in your case

nowhere extreme enough

[lean grove]

It's called wow

It happens when the record is slightly off center. Can be just from the record itself or a low quality player.

[warm scarab]

its an impressive level of bad if your tonearm is so bad it wobbles

[lean grove]

The tone arm is tracking the groove

It's the entire record that's wobbling

[remote tangle]

yeah, its the record

[pallid wind]

hello! so I'm thinking of buying my first speakers for my PC and I have limited space on my desk so I need something small and compact. I found the Audioengine A2+ and the size is perfect. Are these still worth it?

[errant wharf]

Worth it price wise? Maybe, reviews seem to like them. Few design choices im not a fan of, like volume knob on the back, but thats personal preference

[pallid wind]

Hmm I see. I love the minimalist design of it. I could find speakers with a volume knob on the front but it’s hard to find speakers that are 6 inches in height to fit under my ultrawide.

[warm scarab]

I don't know these speakers so I can't comment on them but I'd like to warn you that speaker size can be a very big limit in performance

there are speakers with small drivers that can overcome some limitations of their small drivers but they can be very expensive

[pallid wind]

I’m aware. I’m just limited in space.

[warm scarab]

you may want to consider a subwoofer then

[pallid wind]

I was originally looking at soundbars but they’re all pretty bad from what I looked up.

[unique wind]

samsung's flagship soundbars are actually decent

[pallid wind]

Hmm

[unique wind]

theyre expensive tho

[pallid wind]

I did try one soundbar from Amazon but ended up returning it.

[unique wind]

like $700-1400 depending on the year/model/sales

[warm scarab]

they are generally very subpar

if you pay a lot they get decent but

they wont ever reach price/performance of speakers

[unique wind]

i can recommend the samsung hw-q900c if you can find it for like $700

i strongly advise you to avoid all klipsch soundbars

their firmware and reliability is awful

ive owned the "klipsch the fives", "klipsch bar 48", and "klipsch cinema 600"

[pallid wind]

Don’t think I can spend 700 bucks on a soundbar lol. It’s for my pc setup so I don’t need anything too expensive.

[unique wind]

all were very problematic

oh if this is going on a desk then you shouldnt be looking at bars anyway

[pallid wind]

Yeah. They’re meant for sitting further away right?

[unique wind]

yah

[pallid wind]

Okay. I’ll probably order the audioengines then today.

[crimson wedge]

Hello

I am looking to get a headset

How good is the beyerdynamic 770 pros

[buoyant vale]

[lean grove]

How much do you want to spend?

[crimson wedge]

Idk

I asked cause i found a 770 pro for sale

Mainly gonne be used for fps gaming

[errant wharf]

There are much better options for the same price

Dt 880 pro or tygr 300r from the same company

[lean grove]

I'd a Sennheiser 37X over the 770.

If the 770 is like. $50 or less and not crusty then I guess it's fine.

But closer to $100 there's better options

[crimson wedge]

Im getting the 770 for $60

Idk if id find the 37x for that price

[lean grove]

Probably not.

Ksc75, porta pro would be alternatives in that price range

Or going for in-ears like the truthear hexa or salnotes zero

[crimson wedge]

so u think i should get the 770?

I was thinking finding the 770 for $60 might be worth getting it

I dont have any previous experience w headphones other than hyperx cloud 2

It sounded like dt 770 might be a big upgrade,mind you im gonna be using it for fps games so footsteps are super important for me

[lean grove]

If you need over ear headphones for $60, I think the dt770s are what you want. They're not too different from the hyperx's. The hyperx are a clone of a clone of the dt770.

[unique wind]

at your budget, and especially considering this is for games, i think you should be shopping for in ear monitors

[crimson wedge]

in ear?

[unique wind]

basically just enthusiast earbuds

[lean grove]

Earbuds

[crimson wedge]

why?

[lean grove]

Better sound for less money

[crimson wedge]

I need something thats gonna isolate the audio

[unique wind]

$60 headphones kinda suck and $60 in ears are actually decent

and they have far superior noise isolation compared to headphones

[crimson wedge]

I dont wanna hear anything outside of the game

[lean grove]

In-ears definitely isolate

[unique wind]

you wont get better noise isolation than a pair of IEMs with foam eartips unless you wear noise cancelling headphones

[crimson wedge]

ok $60 isnt my budget

I can go for more if its worth it

I just found a deal where the guy is selling a 770 for $60

thats all

If u think its not gonna be worth it then i can get something else

if its better

[lean grove]

Truthear hexa

[crimson wedge]

that one is good?

[lean grove]

Yes

[candid folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144652169094647919/1220082220103106580/VID_20240320_184955458.mp4?ex=660da51d&is=65fb301d&hm=4a0999808976486e5f9a207570fb46e86e5b3e9f240967b966c121e9a4df1294&
this seem a little too bass heavy?
running no EQ because i cant tune it right

song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4Ag9psO9y5MNf07W6DFyet?si=d6745cc4a6824b05

[hasty tide]

Hey does anyone have any over ear headset recs? I have ~80$ budget and idk if i can find it, but I want a detachable wire so I can play FPS games w/ no delay, but also be able to listen to stuff far away on my bed etc

[lean grove]

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset

[hasty tide]

Ty ill keep this in mind for sure, are there any decent headphones you rec, just wired is fine on amazon specifically? I have a gift card for them

[warm scarab]

not wireless

[warm scarab]

you wont find a better headset than this for 100$

[hasty tide]

I was thinking of getting hyper x cloud 3 but i wanna know if there's something better im not thinking about

[warm scarab]

apart from pc38x for a bit higher

[hasty tide]

I have an amazon gift card

[warm scarab]

idk why you would settle for a worse product because you have an amazon card

just use the card for another purchase

[hasty tide]

Ok thanks!

[warm scarab]

👍

[lean grove]

Who said it needs to be wireless

[hasty tide]

Can anyone please recommend me a over ear wired headset i can purchase on amazon? I have a 80$ budget 🙏

[warm scarab]

"but I want a detachable wire so I can play FPS games w/ no delay, but also be able to listen to stuff far away on my bed etc"

[lean grove]

It has a detachable wire

So you can re attach an even longer wire to listen to music in bed

[warm scarab]

he brought up delay

which entails there is a factor that would introduce delay

[lean grove]

Like the speed of light through a wire

He's thinking it should be, at the very most, 30km so the delay isn't noticable

[warm scarab]

@hasty tide define what you meant by the message I quoted

[lean grove]

Better yet, don't define anything

[warm scarab]

because nils is being cringe

and bad

[lean grove]

It'll be funnier that way

[warm scarab]

no

you are bad

tell nils he is wrong

[lean grove]

Keep it ambiguous and leave Klaus guessing

[hasty tide]

I want a headset where if im playing a FPS Shooter on my computer its still wired, meaning itd have no delay

But if it can, I want the wire to be detachable- and the headset have a wireless mode- so i can listen to something while im chilling in my bed across the room

[warm scarab]

@lean grove ur literally bad

[hasty tide]

But like again, idc about that, its probably not within my budget i want the best wired headset i can get for 80$ on amazon

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/no-oh-no-no-way-damn-temper-tantrum-gif-14948497

[hasty tide]

[hasty tide]

So does anyone know anything better than the hyper x cloud 3? Im probably just gonna get it if not

[warm scarab]

the one we mentioned

pc37x and pc38x

[elder thistle]

which games? and are you looking mainly to hear the direction of sounds?

[hasty tide]

Mainly valorant, i value being able to hear direction and lowest latency above all

[crimson wedge]

Ayo i was wondering the same

[hasty tide]

And a nice quality mic for voice comms

[crimson wedge]

I am also looking cor one

I dont need a mic

I found a 770 pro for $60 but people here said not to get it

[elder thistle]

I have sound demos for this, actually. though the direction of sounds will appear worse than / within the abilities of your current headset

I am a fan of the m50x clones paired with a v-moda boompro for valorant

[hasty tide]

What should I look up to find this on amazon/can i get a link

[hasty tide]

Sounds v interesting

[elder thistle]

like 512 academy, tunical tnh101 with 3rd party earpads, rockville pro-m50 but I'm still investigating them

[crimson wedge]

Bro aint the m50 like 150?

[elder thistle]

yes but some companies figured out how to clone the driver, baffle, earcup, and earpads quite well

they're like 70% of an m50x, kinda

[crimson wedge]

Bro so like u gonna tell me which ones it is?

[elder thistle]

which also is a divisive headphone so hearing the demos would help

i said 3

[crimson wedge]

Oh mb lol i didnt realize those are the names

Ok i am like confused

[elder thistle]

the cheapest and simplest solution right now is the tunicals and buying certain earpads separately

[crimson wedge]

I have cloud2 rn

They are alright but i have a habit of breaking shit

So i need new ones

What do i get?

[elder thistle]

uueuh for $80?

[hasty tide]

Im considering getting a cloud 3 from amazon

Is there a big difference?

[crimson wedge]

I can find pc38x for like $80

Fb marketplace is a beautiful thing

[hasty tide]

Cause i saw a cloud 2 on amazon for like 40$ which i reccd to a friend

[crimson wedge]

Cloud 2 are alright id say

Most pros in val use these type of. Headsets anywyas

So it wont matter too much for the game

[hasty tide]

Yea thats why i was interested in a cloud 2 in the first place, but i saw cloud 3's existed

[crimson wedge]

Yeah for the game itll fine

I also play val

But i broke my cloud 2

So im looking for new headsets

[elder thistle]

I like the pc38x when its near $100, but given some of the common electrical issues, not my first choice for maximum durability

[crimson wedge]

I wanna buy from fb marketplace

[crimson wedge]

I wont break lol,durability doesnt matter

As long as it sounds life changing ill be fine

[elder thistle]

yes the cloud II worked well for me in valorant. not far from the m50x clones to my ears

[crimson wedge]

For val that is

[hasty tide]

Currently i have audio technica ath-m20x it still works and is nice but the earcups are significantly worn out

[crimson wedge]

I just wanna hear footsteps very well and the directional audio is very important

I was gonna go get the 770 pro today but the people here said not to

@elder thistle is the pc38x that good?

[unborn gale]

why facebook marketplace? Or is it because you can meet up and whatnot

[crimson wedge]

Because its got good deals

I can meet up and buy them

I dont mind the drive

[unborn gale]

Aight, just beware of scams.

[crimson wedge]

Well im gonna meet up

[unborn gale]

Though I guess if you're buying all the time, then you're good at noticing whether it's a scam or not

[crimson wedge]

Not really

Its just most people arent scamming

[unborn gale]

ah

[crimson wedge]

I am very careful about it

I ask questions

[unborn gale]

As a seller, scams are pretty common on Facebook

[crimson wedge]

Well ig im just not dumb enough to fall for it

I do my own bit of research beforehand

To see if the product is legit or not

I got a razer hunts man elite for lile $25

It was like brand new

[unborn gale]

Nice

[crimson wedge]

So i am looking for a headset now

[unborn gale]

the DT770s aren't a headset and don't have a mic

[crimson wedge]

I negotiated w a guy selling 770 pro

It was listed 110

But I negotiated down to 60

[crimson wedge]

I thought it was good?

[unborn gale]

meh

[crimson wedge]

I dont need a mic

I see

[unborn gale]

I've personally used a pair of DT880s and they don't sound that great

[crimson wedge]

Alright

[unborn gale]

like they're fine under $100 but just overall not that great

[crimson wedge]

How bout pc38x?

[unborn gale]

I'd say something like the PC37X/38X sound better

[crimson wedge]

I currently have cloud 2

So anything is better ig

[unborn gale]

I personally have a pair of PC37X and honestly they sound way better than expected. Tuned more like a pair of headphones than a gaming headset.

[crimson wedge]

What would u recommend

[unborn gale]

Also, the DT770's rounder earpads are less comfy than oval ones on the PC38X

[crimson wedge]

Ok

[unborn gale]

Also the PC38X should have a replaceable cable since it's detachable.

[crimson wedge]

Then i wont get that then

I just dont like the idea if open back

Apparently w open backs u can hear background noise

[unborn gale]

that's true

[crimson wedge]

I dont wanna be able to hear anything

Even if there is a chainsaw next to me

[unborn gale]

but the DT770 aren't like noise isolating either

[crimson wedge]

Tru

[unborn gale]

sure they're closed back, but you WILL hear stuff outside, maybe a bit less

[crimson wedge]

I see

The cloud 2s i dont hear much background noise

At least not my keyboard or fan

[elder thistle]

depends on what you count as good

it's at least balanced in tone

[crimson wedge]

Well my only reference is cloud 2

idk what a good headset is supposed to sound like

For now ig something where i can hear footsteps in val and direction?I also listen to some music so it sounds good as well in that department

I am not an audiophile or anything like that

so i probably wont even be able to tell

[hasty tide]

can confirm, ive bought and sold a good amount of stuff from fb marketplace, its nicer than craigslist even cause you can see peoples fb profiles and see if they're real etc

[crimson wedge]

yeah u can also see the stuff they sold previously sometimes,they rate it too

[elder thistle]

well I'll put it this way

the pc38x has a wider soundstage than the cloud 2, which can be more immersive. but positional audio usually has very little to do with soundstage. that's definitely true in valorant. it's more of a cinematic thing

[crimson wedge]

what would that do for me?

a soundstage?

[elder thistle]

the pc38x also handles the clarity of sounds better when they are overlapping and the whole soundscape is getting cluttered

well in your case it's not that important if the soundstage is narrow or large

[crimson wedge]

tru

[elder thistle]

just a bonus I guess

[crimson wedge]

I am plenty immersed when im playing lol

My cloud 2 used to be pretty good at telling footsteps and direction

until i broke it

[elder thistle]

as for telling where sounds were coming from, I have issues with the sennheiser hd560s's imaging / telling directions of sounds because forwards sounds almost the same as backwards

[crimson wedge]

thats what happened to my cloud 2 after breaking it

[elder thistle]

the pc38x improved this for me, but that distinction was honestly still less than what the cloud II did. but most people don't seem to have this issue as bad as I do

however

I could be a little more exact in where I thought an enemy was coming from on the pc38x. the cloud II gives me like a small cone of where a sound may have came from, and that cone is smaller with the pc38x

[crimson wedge]

its just weird tbh,on one hand I want good directional audio and footsteps but I also wanna experience "Good sound" that all these people talk about

the only thing i wont compromise on is the fact that I dont want backgroud noise

[elder thistle]

oh that's not the pc38x then lol

[crimson wedge]

the cloud 2 rn is prety good at the background noise thing

[elder thistle]

ye

[crimson wedge]

i can barely hear anything when i have the cloud 2 on

It probably cause i have the sound on at 200 percent

[crimson wedge]

I am not that strict about it ,i dont mean noise cancellation like the airpods

[elder thistle]

open backs will usually slightly muffle sound, but only a little

[crimson wedge]

is the cloud 2 open back or closed back?

[elder thistle]

closed

[crimson wedge]

yeah i dont want people to be hear what im listening to either

pc38x will leak audio?

[elder thistle]

at louder volumes it will be like using speakers quietly. or a better example would be like if you left your cloud II's on your desk and had them play audio

people would only hear some of the midrange and treble

[crimson wedge]

if i leave my cloud 2 on my desk w audio on i can hear it

across the room

so ur saying it sounds that way all the time even when i have it on?

damn

[unborn gale]

that's the case for all headphones

[elder thistle]

it follows the volume you listen at but yes

[unborn gale]

and no you should not be able to hear it across the room while wearing it

open backs don't work like that for dynamics

[errant wharf]

Sounds loud as hell

[crimson wedge]

so if im wearing it they wont be able to hear it?

[unborn gale]

yeah, unless you like to blast the sound

[elder thistle]

people often crank the volume in games though

[unborn gale]

if you blast the sound, then even in closed backs people will hear you

[crimson wedge]

whats blasting sound?I typically do 100 precent

[unborn gale]

keep in mind that the earpads themselves leak sound

[unborn gale]

yeah what the actual fuck

[crimson wedge]

i used to do 200 percent

[unborn gale]

closed back won't do shit then

[crimson wedge]

but i toned it down

[elder thistle]

uh

[crimson wedge]

200 sounded distorted

[elder thistle]

depends on the closed back

[errant wharf]

Here i am at like 30%

[crimson wedge]

nah 30 is quiet

[unborn gale]

yeah I listen at like 30-40%

[crimson wedge]

i can barely hear 30

[unborn gale]

probably because you keep blasting the music

[crimson wedge]

not music

[unborn gale]

you probably already have hearing damage

[crimson wedge]

music i listen at 30

[errant wharf]

Daily reminder that hearing damage is cumulative and permanent

[crimson wedge]

when im playing i have it 100 percent

idk how people game at 30

[elder thistle]

valorant is relatively high dynamic range

[crimson wedge]

yea if ur playing valo at 30 ur gonna be lost

[elder thistle]

to hear footsteps easily from far away, the volume needs to be pretty high

[crimson wedge]

yea what he said

music i do 40 percent ish

[elder thistle]

I use a compressor when playing games like this

it ducks the volume automatically when things get loud

[crimson wedge]

now i am so confused as to what to get lol

[crimson wedge]

i can manually change that

dw bout that

just gimme something better than cloud 2 😭

[unborn gale]

get the PC37/38X

[crimson wedge]

aight

[unborn gale]

you also get a volume knob which is nice

[crimson wedge]

i talked to some guy selling it for $60

[hasty tide]

my PC volume is 50%, and then casual games at 20-50%, idk why but everything is really loud

val i have at 70%, and val master volume max because you NEED to hear everything that game

just adjust it so it isnt too loud

[crimson wedge]

ill go get it then

[elder thistle]

actually here I can do a simulation

to show what the leakage sounds like

I have both of those headphones and a mic capable of binaural recordings

[crimson wedge]

damnnn

[hasty tide]

i have a question about the hyper x cloud 2 because you have one: is it still good compared to the cloud 3? like should I just look to get a cloud 2 and save the money?

[unborn gale]

the guy came here because it sucks and wants to get something better, not sure why you still want to get it

[crimson wedge]

wait whats the difference between Drop + senheriser vs Drop + Epos

[unborn gale]

Epos from what I remember hearing is bad

[elder thistle]

I have these recordings of some of the headphones, if it helps. tone will depend on what you're currently using

this is cloud II

[unborn gale]

like falls apart quickly

[errant wharf]

Epos is/was sennheiser gaming brand

[unborn gale]

Pretty sure they're a separate company

[elder thistle]

512 audio academy (an m50x clone)

[crimson wedge]

yea this is about what my cloud 2 sounded like

mine is less bas y tho

idk why

[hasty tide]

ok this objectively sounds worse than the current audio technicas I have rn holy

[elder thistle]

and this isn't the pc38x but it's the hd560s which is close

[crimson wedge]

this one sounds shit

imma be honest

to me the cloud 2 sounds best

the hd560s sound more balanced

and nicer

but i dont hear the guns that well

[elder thistle]

the tone is multiplied by your existing headphones

[hasty tide]

these are like, similar quality to my audio technicas, but I see what you mean with being able to hear sound positoning alot better, like I really know where alot of the ppl generally are in this deathmatch

[elder thistle]

so if you're using cloud II, you get double the cloud II's tone lol

[hasty tide]

fk do I just buy replacement earcups for my current headphones and call it a day

[elder thistle]

good that I sent that then

[crimson wedge]

yeah the technica one sounds cheap

like buying a $2 earbud that u get at dollar store

thats the vibe i get

[elder thistle]

the m50x or m50x clone sound recordings are fascinating in how the same audio becomes an entirely different experience depending on the user's ears

[crimson wedge]

damn

ok i do like 560s

[elder thistle]

for me it has pretty high resolution and good balance

[crimson wedge]

they sound nicer on the ears

they sound like if u listen to music w them or watch a movie it would sound good

its like giving my ears a hug

[hasty tide]

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M20x-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B00HVLUR18/ref=sr_1_3?sr=8-3 this is what I have rn, I was wondering earlier today if i could find something nicer for 80$ +the earcups on these are significantly worn out cause my pair is several years old now

[elder thistle]

yes I would say they're pretty cinematic because they're wide and have decent bass quantity

[crimson wedge]

the cloud 2s are good for the games but they sound shit compared to it

now im torn

do u got one for pc38x?

oh nvm u said the 560 sound close no?

[elder thistle]

I can record one pretty easily sure

[crimson wedge]

i might get the pc38x then

some guy is selling it near me

[elder thistle]

by the way yes, the earpads are easily replaceable and usually under $10

[elder thistle]

I'll also record some of the sound leakage

[crimson wedge]

i just looked on fb marketplace and someone is selling it the m20x new for $20

[warm scarab]

its a dumbass comparison please don't use this for anything

if this worked id just record music on 50000$ headphones

then play it back on 20$ ones

[hasty tide]

in person, its probably better, but like if that tinny, bassy sound is anything accurate, i wouldnt be happy with the cloud 2 over what I have

it might just be a thing where I have to go into a store and hear for myself

do stores even display last gen headphones like that anymore even

[warm scarab]

please don't buy the m20x

[unborn gale]

depends on the store

[fossil zinc]

Pc38x owner they are decent best headphones I ever owned but… I’ve owned nothing but crap

[warm scarab]

audio technica is a notoriously bad audio company except for the r70x headphones and their turntables

they make trash tier studio headphones for 50$ that are mass disposable

thats all

they are for studios that want durable and replacable headphones not users looking to experience better music

[pallid wind]

I had the m50x for a few years before they snapped

[hasty tide]

its what I have already

[warm scarab]

rest in piss

[hasty tide]

lmfao

[warm scarab]

that's how the audio technica experience

buy use

break