#audio-tech
fair pawn
alpine musk
I mean... I have leather boots for outdoors and know that you have to take care of them if you want them to last you a lifetime... Ears get greasy during use. I guess it makes sense.
I will rather just buy velvet/cloth earpads
fair pawn
but the problem is earpad changes sound
alpine musk
...oh wait... earpads drastically change the sound and response, right?
fair pawn
I have a LCD-2 with the Vegan leather
EWWW
I want to change it to the regular leather
but then Audeze always glue their earpad
so
fair pawn
they have tape around the earcup
alpine musk
Anywhere I found leather earpads in the specs, it didn't say anything about vegan/eco/faux or PU leather. I guess it is leather?
fair pawn
alpine musk
Ok, I found velvets on Amazon
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Velvet-Replacement-Sennheiser-MM-100-Headset/dp/B082F8G9JZ
fair pawn
looks like MM-100 is interchangable
well that's good then
my LCD-2 is one way replacement
😭
alpine musk
my LCD-2 is one way replacement
I mean, cant you get them off and put new oens without tape?
Or use like doublesided tape that is strong, but not too strong?
fair pawn
well technically yes
but would you really go through all that trouble to change pad every now and then
fair pawn
I mean, cant you get them off and put new oens without tape?
also the tape is on the earpad end
not the headphone end
alpine musk
but would you really go through all that trouble to change pad every now and the...
No, I meant it as lifetime prolong thing. If it would be glued in a way that it can damage the guts that would be really bad.
I'd like to keep them for a long time. Idk what is the lifetime of cans for audiophiles
fair pawn
No, I meant it as lifetime prolong thing. If it would be glued in a way that it ...
well it's not taped to the driver , it's just on the outer ring
fair pawn
I'd like to keep them for a long time. Idk what is the lifetime of cans for audi...
depends on brand and QC
haughty girder
How's hearing damage
wheat moss
ew distortion
alpine musk
I wanted to get the Edition XS yesterday cuz I found it for nearly 50% price, but then I found threads about buzzing and such
haughty girder
What listening volume?
fair pawn
Hifiman? probably 5 years max
Sennheiser/Beyerdynamic? could be 10+ years
alpine musk
Hifiman? probably 5 years max
Sennheiser/Beyerdynamic? could be 10+ years
10 years and then the driver has higher chance of going busted?
haughty girder
So what part of that is "none" hearing damage
fair pawn
10 years and then the driver has higher chance of going busted?
well I mean depends on how you use it...... a unused item can be left for 20 years and be fine
haughty girder
kids, this is your daily reminder to take care of your hearing cause once it's gone, it's gone
alpine musk
well I mean depends on how you use it...... a unused item can be left for 20 yea...
That's nice to hear... 😄
btw - anything else I should buy with the MM-100 or prepare myself to buy?
I dont have any DAC. Except Audient EVO 4 and that is more of an interface.
I thought that, too. Then I went for tests and they are same.
So I guess I am schizo
fair pawn
btw - anything else I should buy with the MM-100 or prepare myself to buy?
I don...
enjoy your new headphone for a while first
spread your enjoyment over a longer period of time
alpine musk
enjoy your new headphone for a while first
first hearing that from audio guy 
haughty girder
do you not iems?
fair pawn
first hearing that from audio guy <a:cathug:795932630105325588>
I regret going up the train too quickly
haughty girder
Or more, is there a reason you don't use iems? like Etys
fair pawn
It's a one way trip, can't downgrade after you go up
or it will be a very painful experience
alpine musk
I regret going up the train too quickly
Thanks, I will slow it down then.
fair pawn
also it's to make sure you like the new headphone first
remember, an amp and DAC can't fix a headphone that you don't like
a headphone play 80% of the sound quality difference
alpine musk
remember, an amp and DAC can't fix a headphone that you don't like
Of course. I didn't drink that Kool-Aid
I was concern if I can even rin them with my on-board audio or the EVO 4
alpine musk
a headphone play 80% of the sound quality difference
...and you have to burn them in for at least 72 hours (/s)
fair pawn
...and you have to burn them in for at least 72 hours (/s)
that is mostly a controversial myth
alpine musk
that is mostly a controversial myth
Yeah, I added "/s" for sarcasm
fair pawn
my personal take is you getting adjusted to the new sound profile
alpine musk
my personal take is you getting adjusted to the new sound profile
There are folks that run them sitting/hanging. That's pure placebo, not even adjusting
fair pawn
whenever I change from my LCD-2 to HD800S or D8000 it takes a while for myself to re-adjust to the sound
alpine musk
whenever I change from my LCD-2 to HD800S or D8000 it takes a while for myself t...
Had that with my buds. "Holy sh*t how did I live with this treble?!"
after 2 days
fair pawn
The bigger the difference, the easier it is to tell
And that is why If you do a high end amp upgrade it takes sometime a few hours to make out the strength and weakness
On the other hand, I have yet to be able to discern difference between 2 high end DACs tho
alpine musk
On the other hand, I have yet to be able to discern difference between 2 high e...
All I could dig up was that some of them might be warmer or colder. And those might have been analog
Like those tube ones
fair pawn
All I could dig up was that some of them might be warmer or colder. And those mi...
That will be amp
fair pawn
Amplifier there are some differences with it, but DAC is the equipment to process the digital signal and convert it to analog
Digital-Analog Converter (DAC)
And then you use an amp to amplify the power
alpine musk
So I booked a test and reservation on A-Stock MM-100
9 990 CZK => 395 € / 432$
New ones cost +40€/$
turbid grove
kids, this is your daily reminder to take care of your hearing cause once it's g...
Mine got issues due to a job I had 7 years ago...
the right one has some issues over 4K
my doctor gave me a specific EQ for the right ear and asked me to apply it to any headset I use... otherwise I'd get headache
Hmm
The sad part is, he said it'll never recover, it's just what it is...
warm scarab
remember, an amp and DAC can't fix a headphone that you don't like
if your amp is clipping it certainly will make you hate whatever it is you are listening to
pure kite
i need an auxiliary cable for my sony headset
at a budget but not too low profile
any suggestions??
warm scarab
any
unique wind
cable is cable
alpine musk
@warm scarab @elder thistle I forgot to compare the MM-100 to my PC38X. The frequency response shows the bass will be even "worse"
Or is there more to it than this graph implies?
warm scarab
those are compensated graphs
also stop looking at graphs to tell what is better than another
unless it has a hideous error that makes it directly bad or gives it a particular character
there are a lot of different factors that go into a headphone apart from frequency response
alpine musk
unless it has a hideous error that makes it directly bad or gives it a particula...
Graph is not a telltale sign, but more as a tool to back up your words
warm scarab
its just a description of tonality and a warning if anything is bad
warm scarab
Graph is not a telltale sign, but more as a tool to back up your words
yes sort of
you can tell what has more bass
what has a peak or a dip
as long as it doesn't deviate a lot from harman
also the graphs you are looking at are not raw graphs
alpine musk
Thanks. I just had an argument with a friend who kept pointing me to Senn 560S that I am wasting money. So I said Senn cans lack bass, to which he brought graphs and I was fcked 
warm scarab
they are graphs that show how different they look compared to the rtings target curve
which is a meme curve
warm scarab
Thanks. I just had an argument with a friend who kept pointing me to Senn 560S t...
they are probably right
you are buying a random headphone with no reviews on it
the only guy I spoke to which used it said he400se was better than it
it came from an echo chamber of a server but
warm scarab
it was the only place where I could find someone that actually tried it
alpine musk
they are graphs that show how different they look compared to the rtings target ...
ooooooh, I thought it's calibrated head with mics in each ear and just captures what it hears
warm scarab
they are
its just
they say at the line level of 70dB
you need to have x amount of a bass hump
you see the green - - - - - - line in the graph you sent
that is what its comparing it to
alpine musk
Well, I will be testing it and I think I still have 14 days return window in case
warm scarab
and that - - - - - is a terrible graph
they used the harman in house curve + diffuse field
combined them and made it
harman literally made a graph particularly for this
with a ton of human testing
so rationally they ignored it and instead took their speaker target and combined it with the diffuse field
alpine musk
that is what its comparing it to
oh...why wouldnt they compare it to flat line
alpine musk
Is there a better site? I know Crinacle has graphs, but he does IEMs only if i reckon
eh, you said it is useless to decide on anyway...
fair pawn
This is what my discription of Harman Target and Frequency Response.....
Audio is like Food
Harman target -- is like a sample of what a large group of people's most acceptable food to consume is. The food that most of the time you don't necessary like, but will be okay to eat.
Frequency Response -- is like Ingredients content & Nutrient Lable, you can tell what the food is made of so you can make an educated guess on how it will taste (e.g. High sugar level, it's going to be somewhat sweet). But you won't know how it taste exactly until you tried it.
warm scarab
I think its a lot more accurate than guessing food tastes from labels
but still its definitely one part of the equation
fair pawn
I think its a lot more accurate than guessing food tastes from labels
yes I agree
warm scarab
Is there a better site? I know Crinacle has graphs, but he does IEMs only if i r...
you can use rtings
just the raw graphs
compensated ones are meaningless
alpine musk
compensated ones are meaningless
Even the raw suggest weaker bass
fair pawn
if that is the case then you can just use a crappy delta earbuds and EQd to the same as HE-1
warm scarab
he is so right
amps are dumb just like raise the preamp slider smh
its this easy
fair pawn
fair pawn
warm scarab
no idea
fair pawn
their whole server is like based on Graphs only
warm scarab
one of sharur's?
fair pawn
and it gives me brain cancer
warm scarab
fair pawn
one of sharur's?
no idea
lmao, and the funny thing is you hardly see those people to go and test headphones
warm scarab
sharur was convinced er2se was the perfect playback device until he tested lcd-4
which now is convinced its the perfect one with eq
fair pawn
warm scarab
:^))
fair pawn
if measurement is so great then they should be able to do the reverse
they should be able to tell if a headphone is open back or close back just by looking at the graph
Me personally I base 50% of my opinion of the headphone on graph, but that gives me an pre-analyst, and I will form my remaining 50% opinion on live testing
lean grove
Up until there's a new objectivist target to hit
unique wind
no king lives forever
elder thistle
I was taught a lot of useful things from some career measurement people
but they ultimately preached similar stuff to how everything is frequency response
didnt provide articles or evidence though
haughty girder
I do believe it's to a limited extent in freq response
BUT, it doesn't take into account how people's ears are different
elder thistle
I had different experiences
haughty girder
so being able to artificially create staging or psuedodetail is definitely in FR for iems
elder thistle
it is easy for me to eq by ear. and even the slightest eq of one area on a recording from a measurement microphone changes techs
lean grove
BUT, it doesn't take into account how people's ears are different
It's also a matter of being interpretable. Which physiological differences also play a role in.
elder thistle
nothing I can do with eq changes techs on my ears
the most eventful thing to happen was the imaging shifted forwards on a behringer omega
I suppose some aspects of imaging (not all) can be recreated in crappy headphones, but not tjrough simple eq
think smyth realiser
for the same reason that systemwide eq when already using flat equipment is really limited in usefulness
lean grove
has to be a scam right?
What makes you think it's a scam?
gleaming junco
What makes you think it's a scam?
they are around 200 brand new
unless i dont know how used market works
unique wind
i wouldn’t buy dt990s for any amount of money
i don’t even think i’d take them for feee
that’s not just me being facetious that’s for real
i’d rather use $13 kz castor in ear monitors
gleaming junco
should i go for m50x's then
unique wind
those are better than the dt990 for sure but i would ask for other recommendations first
gleaming junco
currently i have m30x's which are a lower end model from AT
lean grove
they are around 200 brand new
Are you sure?
gleaming junco
Are you sure?
here, yes
however the funny thing is that only the music gear stores sell them
tech retailers dont have them at all
lean grove
I see.
Well €80 isn't that far out of the question
They might have gotten it someplace where they were a lot cheaper or they might be in poor condition
unborn gale
M50X is worse than DT990
lean grove
I'd be more suspicious about a €200 990 than a €80 990
elder thistle
i found dt990's second hand for 80 euro
80 euro is realistic for a rather used pair yes
I got mine for 40usd but the wire needed replaced
which was specified
no that was the dt770
behold
ok so basically it's shiny
visually formidable
elder thistle
this sounds squarely between a dt990 250 ohm and mc450
tone, stage, instrument separation, detail/resolution, dynamics, timbre
I was expecting it to have more midrange, more bass, less treble
could be that the 600 ohm version behaves more violently
fortunately I still have eq headroom with this magni 3 heresy amp
not that big of a deal though
I could see this being a pretty decent for mixing, provided someone already has amp headroom
definitely moreso than the hd560s for most music
I can still get it above 80db on my motu's headphone output
but that is not a safe amount of headroom
at least 12db more would be good
the audient mk2 interfaces are probably a good match
seems like a crime that there's a black version of these
elder thistle
probably my favorite soundstage presentation thus far
elder thistle
is it worse than an hd560s
warm scarab
yes
elder thistle
haughty girder
seems like a crime that there's a black version of these
there's two black versions...
which pisses me off
One of the black editions has weird overdampening
and to me anyway, it's near impossible to tell which is which
willow root
would it be stupid to create headphone that are both open and closed back by changing the back of the earcups
im just curious if something like that would work bc i haven't seen anything like it before
unborn gale
Yes you can do that, but you'd need some way to automatically tune it when transitioning from open to closed.
Very possible and honestly if you understand your headphones well enough, shouldn't be too difficult either
The biggest problem would just be the increased complexity for something that is unlikely to be used much and overall pretty pointless.
warm scarab
would it be stupid to create headphone that are both open and closed back by cha...
it would be stupid
since the earcups have a significant impact on the way something sounds adding or removing from it would drastically change the sound
unborn gale
those are part of the earcups
warm scarab
yes those are a part of the earcups
willow root
just clarifying
warm scarab
and they drastically change the sound
you can just grab an open back headphone and cover the earcups with your hands
the sound will become trash
willow root
well what if there was a way to tune the sound through like a switch on the headphones
warm scarab
I don't claim that its impossible to make something that sounds good with an alterable back panel but people barely make headphones good enough to impact the headphone market while focusing only one of those things
unborn gale
well what if there was a way to tune the sound through like a switch on the head...
extra compexity and not worth the time
but it's possible
warm scarab
and even if you made this what would be the point
willow root
i have no clue i just thought about it as i was not paying attention in class
warm scarab
oh so you are curious
willow root
i thought it would be cool to go from an open sound background to something thats like noise canceling
yes
warm scarab
well
its possible but probably such a significant bitch to deal with no one wants to touch the subject
its not like there is a market demand for such an innovation anyways
willow root
that is true of many things before they are invented
warm scarab
99% of the people out there are content with their random dampened to hell closed backs
warm scarab
given they are not bad ones, they are a direct upgrade to closed ones
willow root
you have any suggestions
warm scarab
budget?
warm scarab
its better to go to an audio store to demo then
you wont really find a whole lot of stuff to try
not anything that's good anyways
willow root
im just tired of iems i want a break from having to put stuff in my ears
unborn gale
Best Buy has some stuff like the HD560 sometimes that you can try
although of course, an actual audio store would be much better
willow root
well i want to own them too i just dont want to spend like 200 bucks on a new pair of headphones as i dont really need them
warm scarab
if you generally don't try to actively deconstruct what you hear i doubt you could spot a whole lot of differences by trying one out for 5 mins in an audio store tbh
a lot of people who aren't used to demoing stuff generally take a day or two to realize the good of their headphones
willow root
i went from like cloud alphas to the zero reds and i noticed the difference
i just feel like having over ear headphones is better for what I do anyways
warm scarab
its just a general statement, maybe you are better at it than other people who knows
willow root
i like good quality audio and video so i just keep wanting to try more things
going to be broke eventually
warm scarab
honestly just go to an audio store to demo stuff
your best bet
or canjam that's hosted once per year
willow root
i just like researching too so if you were to give a suggestion it would give me something procrastinate on instead of doing work
willow root
just good open back headphones for like 150 i suppose
warm scarab
hd560s ig
willow root
its not like i cant pay 200+ for headphones it just wouldnt be smart
warm scarab
or pc38x if you want a mic
willow root
i got a mic so i could be free from headsets
warm scarab
they are honestly both really decent options
go for whichever
tygr 300r and dt880 250ohm are also alright options though I don't like them as much
willow root
at what price point do open back headphones become noticeably different than your average close back headphones
or worth it at least
willow root
i could do 150
warm scarab
hd560s is that much
willow root
yes
although idk how i feel about the trade off of less bass compared to a close back
warm scarab
its not like im recommending it to you because its a headphone you can afford, I genuinely think its a pretty decent headphone
warm scarab
although idk how i feel about the trade off of less bass compared to a close bac...
not a real issue
just common myth
warm scarab
not like open backs can't have bass, people just put appropriate amounts of it because its directed towards a more informed audience
you just don't have stupid fart cannon bass
willow root
lmao
warm scarab
hd560s has pretty aight bass
you can just eq in a bass shelf if you'd like out of preference
it will handle it
willow root
i just want to be able to have the sort of open and clear sound stage i find that the iems make me feel weird bc they are directly in my ear despite them sounding better than the cloud alphas
warm scarab
you'd probably get used to the iem feel with time but sure
willow root
ive had them for like half a year
i never have both of them on bc it annoys me to hear myself talk or breathe and what not
warm scarab
okay ig you wont get used to them lmao
willow root
i miss over ears tbh as my other main headphones are airpods
elder thistle
I want a mechanical system that squashes down a second set of dampers on the back of the driver and baffle
as for the back,
yes you know where I'm going with this
willow root
do good quality open back wireless headphones exist
warm scarab
uncommonly
lean grove
probably under 100 dollars considering i just want to try them
ksc75 or koss porta pro
elder thistle
I have a button that I press each morning that checks if the mc450 is $90 again
behringer omega is kinda cool for $50, could use some more 2khz though
AT ad500x is very open back and demonstrates pretty well what they're capable of, unless by capable you mean resolution or the treble making any sense
those two had fit issues with me though since the earcups don't swivel forwards and backwards
granted the percentage of sub-$100 open backs I've tried, it may be best to use the koss ksc75 as an experiment, then buy more expensive open backs later
lean grove
Is wicked cushion considered audio tech ?
sure
unborn gale
buy the same thing for way cheaper off aliexpress
wheat moss
the only times you can ever get "the same thing" elsewhere is when they're selling oem stuff, which they're not
unborn gale
the only times you can ever get "the same thing" elsewhere is when they're selli...
and what makes you think those earpads are different from what's currently on the market?
fierce tiger
Well I just saw it on Amazon
It’s actually cheaper to get it on amazon than their official website
And faster
Oh well
wheat moss
Well I just saw it on Amazon
because WC have an amazon store
wheat moss
and what makes you think those earpads are different from what's currently on th...
and what makes you think it is the same as what's currently on the market?
have you looked at the products at all? they're not just cheap $2 cushions lol
unborn gale
they are literally that but with prints on them
you really think they set up an entire manufacturing process by themselves to make "higher end" earpads
Check the pictures on aliexpress and you'll see that they literally use slightly modified version of it
fierce tiger
Oh well I just thought by using the code you are kind of supporting LTT too
unborn gale
They are literally the same as Raycons but with earpads
fierce tiger
Naw mean ?
lol raycons
AVGN was heavily sponsored by that
They are like if beats went out of style
wheat moss
Check the pictures on aliexpress and you'll see that they literally use slightly...
because aliexpress sellers tooootally aren't misrepresenting things to make you think you're getting the same product lmao
unborn gale
bruh you have never used aliexpress before have you
I've done hundred of orders via Aliexpress and I can assure you, earpads wise, you're getting what you paid for
as in what's in the pictures, is what you get
wheat moss
because aliexpress sellers tooootally aren't misrepresenting things to make you ...
also... of course an earpad is going to look similar to another earpad... they'd be a bit shit if they didn't
unborn gale
not sure why you want to defend a company selling overpriced earpads, but hey keep wasting your money
wheat moss
if you want to see overpriced earpads, go look at what genuine replacements for most headphones cost
elder thistle
facts
wheat moss
also... of course an earpad is going to look similar to another earpad... they'd...
the important part is the materials used, both inside an out, how they feel, how they last.
not all fake leather is the same
not all cotton is the same
not all polyester is the same
not all foam is the same
even when something is made in the same factory, it can be very different
elder thistle
wheat moss
24 dollars for the least comfortable sony shit in existence lol
lean grove
elder thistle
lean grove
WC does seem to have some sort of intentional tuning with their headphones. makes me think its less likely to be some random ali express replacement pads
fierce tiger
Hifiman, now that’s a Chinese brand I can trust
lean grove
they look like they change the FR a bit but keep the overall character of the FR
wheat moss
fucking oof
wheat moss
the surface of my sennheiser pads are wearing off, because I've had them for a couple years and wear them a lot
lean grove
see that's fine. because at least then you can say "oh man these are wearing down i better get a new pair of earpads soon" and not just a sudden deterioration leaving your headphones almost unusable
its the same difference between your tires starting to go bald and them suddenly exploding while you're driving
wheat moss
mhm
I'm actively trying to ignore the material wearing down, because when I buy the WCs from amazon I'll also get a pinecil to get free shipping but money is being annoying right now
wheat moss
I'm not american
fierce tiger
ah fair
lavish otter
KZ ZSN Pro X 1DD 1BA are 8$ on Ali Choice
elder thistle
is that free shipping
also speaking of which
a ton of the popular iems these days are dynamic driver only
where did the balanced armature ones go
where are the meats
a moondrop chu 2 is not a kz zs10 pro
I notice the most new things in music on the kz's
extremely sensitive
haughty girder
because aliexpress sellers tooootally aren't misrepresenting things to make you ...
A lot of time it's... close
elder thistle
it's worth noting that the hd560s original earpads vs the revision earpads (which are actually hd599) vs geekria earpads are all visually identical in shape and materials
and they had 3 different sound signatures
it could be because of the memory foam stifness or materials underneath the velour
or there's physical differences I just can't see visually
whole zodiac
I might have asked this somewhere but I can't remember where I asked it or what the answer to the question was, so I'm asking it again and this time I'll write down the answer:
I have an old AVR we found in our basement while getting rid of old stuff in our house we no longer needed. My dad came across the AVR and two speaker boxes that I'm now using for my room. This AVR is quite old (easily 15+ years) and starts to develop a hum out of the speakers with a frequency of our AC frequency and multiples of it. It slowly gets louder and louder over the span of a few months. It goes away when I lift the front of the AVR and drop it. It just fades out over like 2s. What could there be that's maybe failing? I expect new amps to be kind of expensive, I'd need one that can handle two speakers with 8 Ohm and a rated maximum power of 170W with a music power of 120W (that's what I can see on the speakers). I don't mind dropping the AVR from time to time as it only occurs every few months
crystal rampart
I am looking for a music box setup: Two boxes for stereo and a sub woofer. I was looking at products like the creative pebnle plus set but i dont think that i can get any good sound out of 35 bucks. Budget is around 100
warm scarab
I might have asked this somewhere but I can't remember where I asked it or what ...
move the cables away from other electronics and other cables
plug in the amplifier into a socket by itself if possible
or get a power conditioner
lean grove
I am looking for a music box setup: Two boxes for stereo and a sub woofer. I was...
$100 is also barely any money for a 2.1 system. Creative pebbles or Klipsch pro media are the best I know for under $100 stereo plus sub.
But $100 is barely enough for even just a subwoofer.
crystal rampart
$100 is also barely any money for a 2.1 system. Creative pebbles or Klipsch pro ...
oke
slim mason
$100 is also barely any money for a 2.1 system. Creative pebbles or Klipsch pro ...
I mean used active sub + some basic bookshelf speakers can easily be under 100
buying new, not happening unless you get some ultra cheap shit
lean grove
buying new, not happening unless you get some ultra cheap shit
Yes that's what I meant
Used market is really sketchy for new people since they don't know what to look for or what to expect
However if you want to spend a few hours looking through eBay, Facebook marketplace, and Craigslist to find someone else a good deal be my guest
alpine musk
Has anyone here tried the Audeze Maxwell?
frozen bolt
What are the best gaming headphones for under €100
molten lotus
Anyone have any headset recommendations. I’m really just looking for good surround sound/mic quality. Trying to get a mic quality almost as good as using an external mic
unborn gale
if you want a mic as good as an external mic, why not just get an external mic?
fresh cargo
Anyone have any headset recommendations. I’m really just looking for good surrou...
What’s your budget? Also what is the mic for? Is it just in game/discord.
marsh flax
hello, i use a gaming headset and when i went to grab a drink and came back, the microphone turned very queit , and i dont know how to fix it, before it was perfectly fine and i didnt change anything
warm scarab
cable probably broke due to gravity's stress
steep stream
im wondering should i get the s12 pro or get the moondrop golden ages........both are very tantalizing
fierce pond
Does someone here have experience with soldering your own audio gear?
I'd like to build myself a volume controller for my speakers. I'm getting a balanced output from my interface and its going into the speakers via XLR. From what I read online, I should be fine just going straight in and out of a stereo potentiometer, but I'm not sure which kind I need for XLR connections
Could someone here help me?
lean grove
Could someone here help me?
See if you can find schematics for a balanced passive attenuator online. XLR is gonna make things a little more complicated than just using a stereo potentiometer since it has two signals per channel you need to attenuate.
Would be further complicated if your interface has a pre-out instead of a fixed line-out
fierce pond
Would be further complicated if your interface has a pre-out instead of a fixed ...
its a line out, so I should be fine there. The best thing would be a stereo Pot for a balanced connection, but I havent found one of those online and I cant find a diagram that shows how I can hook a balanced cable up to a pot either sadly
lean grove
its a line out, so I should be fine there. The best thing would be a stereo Pot ...
Find a 4 gang potentiometer
Alps of you want to be fancy
Idk if it's gonna screw with input or output impedance
fierce pond
do you know what ohmage would be good for this kind of application?
lean grove
No I do not
But do some research. I found a lot of schematics for "XLR passive attenuator"
You're not the first person to want to do this and it doesn't look like that hard of a problem to solve.
fierce pond
I'll do that, thanks for the help so far 
molten lotus
What’s your budget? Also what is the mic for? Is it just in game/discord.
$300. I want to get into streaming but I don’t have the space for an actual mic stand
I want something with a detachable or built in mic that sounds almost as clear like an actual mic
With good surrounding sound of course
warm scarab
I want something with a detachable or built in mic that sounds almost as clear l...
pc38x is your only option really
good headset though
molten lotus
How about headphones and a mod mic?
I was looking at some Audio Technicas and Beyerdynamics
unborn gale
I was looking at some Audio Technicas and Beyerdynamics
what audio technicas stuff are even good nowadays?
Surely not the M50X or similar?
elder thistle
I want something with a detachable or built in mic that sounds almost as clear l...
how's this
elder thistle
Surely not the M50X or similar?
I like the m50x
a lot of people like the m50x, actually
just a divisive headphone that delivers a very different experience between these two groups
unrelated note but measurement
8.5k spike evil
harman isn't super accurate for this rig but it's close, often makes the upper treble look exaggerated
which is still actually a little bright, just not like that one peak
whole zodiac
move the cables away from other electronics and other cables
I've already tried all that, it has to be the amp as that little bit of violence solves the issue and it starts again a few weeks later and gets louder and louder very slowly over the next few months
warm scarab
How about headphones and a mod mic?
Mod mic sounds pretty awful
But in any case why not pc38x
Its a pretty good headset
warm scarab
I've already tried all that, it has to be the amp as that little bit of violence...
just bring it to an amp dude tbh
find some repair shop
hearty pollen
How about headphones and a mod mic?
the mic in the pc38x sounds pretty good if that's what you're worried about
alpine musk
Hi, is there any good promo going on with Wicked Cushions? I remember Black Friday had an awesome deal
tiny zealot
could i get some recommendations for a pair of headphones for no more than $250 USD
I need some that are wireless and long battery life is a must as well as anc that are comfortable for an extended period of time
They'll mainly be used for listent9ing to music while I am traveling
molten lotus
I might get a pair of Audio Technicas
Mod mic will do. They don’t sound TERRIBLE
I was looking at the AD-700X
Plus they’re open back unlike the m50x
warm scarab
I was looking at the AD-700X
pretty bad
r70x is the only audio technica headphone id ever consider buying
when its sold second hand for like 150$
otherwise you just have hifimans all over the 200$ pricemark
unique wind
hifiman nobody wants the arya v2 non-stealth!!
they got it discounted to $550 refurb for us and canadian customers
sure it’s more comfortable than the edition XS but otherwise it’s a worse headphone
“HOT”
must not be
molten lotus
I mean what are my options?
My budget is about 250-300 not including the modmic
I just want good sound in my games. I play a lot of MMO’s and single player games.
Modmic is only for discord or other crap that needs a mic. I’m more about audio than mic quality honestly
lean grove
I mean what are my options?
Sennheiser Hd6xx or 560s.
molten lotus
Open back?
unique wind
My budget is about 250-300 not including the modmic
is this USD?
warm scarab
I mean what are my options?
Literally what is wrong with the pc38x
its a fucking hd560s
but with a mic on it
do you have some sort of obligation to trash 200$ into a modmic so you can have a garbage microphone
elder thistle
My budget is about 250-300 not including the modmic
did you hear what I said about that mic
elder thistle
very important question because I believe the mc450 is much better for your use case.
the $20 v-moda boompro mic is detachable / plugs right in because of 3.5mm compatibility granted by the headphones
unique wind
if they can put out $250-300usd and live in america then a refurb hifiman edition xs is the move
elder thistle
granted your head shape and if you're not too sensitive to treble or will use eq
unique wind
they’re $279 on hifiman
lean grove
Very tempted
elder thistle
its a fucking hd560s
well it's close
at least more neutral than hd560s
treble manages to be fuzzy and sprayed more though
warm scarab
granted your head shape and if you're not too sensitive to treble or will use eq
head shape goes for everything
elder thistle
yes
craggy pollen
god dayum a subwoofer adds that final peice to my sound space
i dunno who told me to not get one but now i finally have one im never going back
molten lotus
is this USD?
Yeah US
lean grove
It was probably Klaus
molten lotus
did you hear what I said about that mic
No I’ll look at it now
molten lotus
how's this
Sounds pretty crisp
molten lotus
do you have some sort of obligation to trash 200$ into a modmic so you can have ...
Modmics aren’t expensive. I don’t know what planet you live on man. I care more about Audio anyways.
warm scarab
they require money
and sound like trash
a good reason to avoid
the cheapest modmic costs 60$
lean grove
Klaus hates anything that isn't neon green and meant for gamers
molten lotus
I don’t have room for a mic stand. It’s really only just for comms here and there. I don’t want a PC38X when I can get something better as well.
warm scarab
"getting better"
unique wind
pc38x probably has the best treble in your price range
unique wind
edition xs has the best bass and perceived soundstage
warm scarab
running the xs off of motherboard audio would be a great idea im certain
unique wind
molten lotus
Ive had a pair of PC38X’s I upgraded to a HS80 Corsair Max but the iCue software is cancer
elder thistle
that mic plus the mackie mc450 makes $180-190 before tax on amazon.
the resolution is very high, much more on par with an hd6xx if not more. unlike the hd560s and pc38x
for that reason and having precise imaging (which is relevant to virtual surround sound) comparable to the hd560s and exceeding pc38x and hd6xx. I believe it fulfills your criteria efficiently
warm scarab
"upgraded"
unique wind
yeah XS need a bass shelf and a peak filter to be actually good, which would require running a negative preamp
isnt gonna be great on motherboard audio
warm scarab
yeah XS need a bass shelf and a peak filter to be actually good, which would req...
I think it sounds fine as is with a decent amplifier but motherboard audio is going to climp the amplifier regardless
but yeah a bass shelf is beneficial too imo
molten lotus
Not trying to educate no one I’m the one asking the questions here lol. I got no idea dude.
elder thistle
the tone is more sharp than the other options I listed, and not as much bass. I found this useful in competitive games, but if you're listening louder and don't need it / don't like it's tone, it is very easy to eq
warm scarab
Not trying to educate no one I’m the one asking the questions here lol. I got no...
yes that is completely fine
issue is you aren't liking the advice
molten lotus
Like most things I can always look up different EQ presets on YT
warm scarab
you really can't get anything better than pc38x that doesn't need an amplifier at the budget you present
one option is hd560s
6xx
he400se + an amplifier
but none of those have mics and aren't a necessary upgrade to pc38x
they are sidegrades at best
molten lotus
I mean that’s without a mic included.
warm scarab
yes
that is the problem
as far as headsets go you can't get better than pc38x and maxwell
molten lotus
You misunderstood
warm scarab
what were you trying to say?
molten lotus
I meant $300 for the headphones alone.
unique wind
seems silly to buy anything except for the edition XS at that price range
warm scarab
difficult to fit an amplifier into 300
isn't xs 225$ at the cheapest
zen air can is like 100$
magni is also
elder thistle
that and somewhat unreliable drivers / pads are used and almost $100 to replace
molten lotus
Im getting the amp and mic separate. Im talking just for the headphones 300 is my budget
warm scarab
goes up to like 325$ at the cheapest
molten lotus
I’ know im gonna spend In total about $500+
warm scarab
that and somewhat unreliable drivers / pads are used and almost $100 to replace
they are a bit fragile in the first month or two
after that they don't generally break
as for the headband you can get a suspension strap separately
costs like 20$
molten lotus
HIFIMAN edition XS?
unique wind
yah
warm scarab
you can get hd6xx if you like dynamic charasteristics more
nils does
I personally don't
unique wind
XS (with EQ) are unbeatable in that price range
for over ears anyway
truthear nova IEMs are better but they're not over ears
molten lotus
Yeah EQ isn’t a big deal. I can always get presets online with some Google-fu
molten lotus
I almost got the DT990 Pro but apparently it’s over hyped for what it is
unique wind
990 is poopoo
elder thistle
not incredibly different from pc38x
elder thistle
sure
warm scarab
jackson is the antichrist of audio chat
molten lotus
What if I just get Audeze Maxwells and swap the microphone 😂
unique wind
maxwells are gud
elder thistle
the treble's still fuzzed out like the dt990
unique wind
bro what are you saying
warm scarab
What if I just get Audeze Maxwells and swap the microphone 😂
it has software noise cancellation
unique wind
you need to be muzzled
molten lotus
it has software noise cancellation
Is that a good thing?
unique wind
990 be like
unique wind
990 treble be like ^_^
elder thistle
I have both of these on my table man
warm scarab
my humble opinion but
if you can't tell differences between headphones I don't think you should advise people on buying items
elder thistle
I said they were similar, not the same
these measurements don't tell you a lot
on a techs front they are quite similar
in a tone front they are still pretty similar, dt990 just somewhat shoutier and brighter
molten lotus
These look very promising
slim mason
I mean ofc they are, r70x are amazing
warm scarab
I wouldn't call them amazing because of the distorted bass
but I like them
they sound nice
just all around decent
unique wind
jackson535 legitimately griefing the audio tech channel by spreading misinformation
warm scarab
amazing imaging
slim mason
I wouldn't call them amazing because of the distorted bass
I have the velour brainwavz pads on mine with no EQ and dont notice that at all
warm scarab
I don't hear it either
then I go to planars for like a week
then I notice it immediately
slim mason
I mean I wear my sash tres all the time and still dont notice it
might be that the velour pads seal the bass better or something idk
unique wind
its probably fine without eq but it would make giving them a bass boost difficult
well not difficult but you won’t be able to run them at a high volume with a bass shelf
elder thistle
reportedly the hd600/6xx have higher resolution and instrument separation
but r70x mega imaging and stage
molten lotus
Do I need to get any amp for the r70x?
slim mason
I use sash tres for music mostly and r70x for gaming every single time
slim mason
Do I need to get any amp for the r70x?
preferrably yeah
elder thistle
mc450 doesn't, also more resolution/separation than hd600 imo. and less bass distortion
where are my videos
unique wind
all of these are worse than XS
slim mason
XS are so overrated imo
built like shit and sound just ok
my sash tres fucking demolish them in terms of sound
warm scarab
I like it a lot more than r70x but
r70x absolutely fucks it when it comes to imaging
slim mason
and these cost 300€
warm scarab
but imaging doesn't matter to me outside of gaming
unique wind
built like shit and sound just ok
both are true
unique wind
but sound becomes pretty decent with two eq filters
you aren’t escaping the low tier build tho
slim mason
handmade, extremely nice qc, sounds incredible, doesnt need an insane amp and they are very comfy
elder thistle
I have files
slim mason
the original model is 300€ exactly atm and these second editions are 420, insane value imo
warm scarab
what are you trying to display
slim mason
idk but these clips sound like shit to me
elder thistle
it's hd560s and mc450
warm scarab
you are comparing headphones over audio recordings?
slim mason
are you actually that dense
warm scarab
on a flat panel rig
slim mason
that you think we can hear the difference??
elder thistle
there are limitations and bypasses of sorts to how the demos work
example, tone is relative to the headphones yes. but so are the techs
unique wind
jackson is an anomaly
elder thistle
over trials with many other people in addition to my own tests, I've gotten strong evidence that most of these techs are preserved
people who had the same headphones lying around
observe the imaging for example
at 0:31-0:41 the imaging of the drones on the hd560s is displayed to the user per their existing headphones
warm scarab
wdym preserved?
elder thistle
height is demonstrated. for me, that recording has the drone almost hit a mirror and never go behind me
that is my hrtf with the hd560s
for other people who listened to this recording (often on hd600/650/6xx like I did), the drone still sounds like it goes behind them
that is their hrtf with the hd560s
as verified by them also having a real hd560s
the only thing the measurement rig is really providing, despite using kb501x pinnas, is tone and phase
it manifests itself as different properties of the headphones only when observed through another headphone by a human
slim mason
man I could buy meze 109 pros for 450€
from a friend
I really dont need them but damn they do be good
unique wind
isn’t that just a worse XS
i mean it resonates less in the midrange but stock tonal balance is almost identical
elder thistle
but the meze is a dynamic
slim mason
I mean I have had xs before and I have tried the 109s, they really dont sound that similar even when on paper they should be
and also the 109s absolutely shit on the xs comfort and quality wise
unique wind
if 109 can handle a bass shelf then they might just be better than XS
doesn’t resonate in the midrange and has better comfort
slim mason
and also actually repairable in case something breaks
elder thistle
that's not how frequency response works
unique wind
you don’t know how frequency response works jackson
you are not qualified to comment on it
go do the trained listener program
elder thistle
well it's not how sound outside of tone works, anyways
maybe if they measured as an exact match without eq
not sure
slim mason
hmm and apparently the imaging on the 109s should be at least close to the r70x
just seems like an amazing all arounder
not perfect at anything but excellent at everything
unique wind
if you’re looking for accurate imaging then you want a headphone that doesn’t have a big dip in the upper midrange
but usually those dips are fixable anyway
slim mason
I mean I have r70x but if those end up being good enough then I dont need multiple headphones anymore
lean grove
i mean it resonates less in the midrange but stock tonal balance is almost ident...
Timbre is significantly different. Feel on head is significantly different. Interaction with amplifier is significantly different.
lean grove
just seems like an amazing all arounder
Aside from the price, I liked it quite a bit.
unique wind
Timbre is significantly different. Feel on head is significantly different. Inte...
yeah
bass and midrange balance is nearly identical but you can see that the treble is different on the graph
i wonder which is better
slim mason
Aside from the price, I liked it quite a bit.
and I could buy a pair for 450
which is why I am so tempted
I aint paying 800 for headphones
warm scarab
isn’t that just a worse XS
different driver type
unique wind
yes i know
warm scarab
example, tone is relative to the headphones yes. but so are the techs
then you must be aware that the comparison doesn't take into account anything apart from tonality
the one you made
not the imaging, not the slew rate, not the resolution, not the layering and the soundstage
lean grove
Slew rate is kind of irrelevant above 20khz
I don't think there's really any headphones that I've seen that can't do 20khz except for some iems
elder thistle
then you must be aware that the comparison doesn't take into account anything ap...
that's not what that means
an overall poorly performing neutral headphone still sounds less performant than an unbalanced higher performing one
imaging precision when observed through a less precise headphone still shows the scale between the more precise headphone and a less precise one
warm scarab
imaging precision when observed through a less precise headphone still shows the...
no it doesn't
that's like recording focal utopias playing music to have a focal utopia presentation in your headphones
you cannot replicate imaging with another pair of headphones you are just misinterpreting the shift in tonality as imaging
elder thistle
yes, you'd get a focal utopia presentation of the sound in respect to the other headphones
like multiplied, so worse in every way
ocean pulsar
you cannot replicate imaging with another pair of headphones you are just misint...
thats not true, but jackson you are explaining it poorly
ocean pulsar
other way around
you are explaning it too simply, and your explanation can be easily applied to many wrong things
ebon sparrow
Hey
ebon sparrow
No I haven’t
ebon sparrow
Before you start would you recommend the cloud alphas and they seem like pretty good headphones for the price
No not really I don’t fiddle with the sound too much
kind aurora
i am using a Pair of Xbox one Headphones
ebon sparrow
Ah
kind aurora
however
there is something headphones can do that Surround Speakers can't do these days
Binaural Audio
unborn gale
surround speakers can do that
ebon sparrow
What does that mean
unborn gale
the only thing speakers can't do is noise cancelling and noise isolation
even then, one might exist for noise cancelling
ebon sparrow
Does that require surround sound
unborn gale
you just need to position the speakers better.
kind aurora
i've got both
unborn gale
and it really depends on the setup in general
kind aurora
an old 2006 Surround sound unit
unborn gale
obviously a single speaker isn't going to be capable
kind aurora
and a Modified Realtek Audio Driver
for uh
Dolby Digital Live and DTS Interactive over Digital Optical
anyway
i've been sitting here playing doom with HRTF
well Doom 3 to be exact
lean grove
@kind aurora @unborn gale
Speakers can't do binaural audio because the way binaural audio is recorded is way too diffirent from how speakers are placed.
But also it's like saying you can't use a bike to go up a set of stairs.
They're not really meant to do that.
lean grove
(the ping was more for armored than you)
kind aurora
I Can hear audio All around my head using a Direct Sound Wrapper using OpenALsoft
for Directsound3D it's known as DSOAL
kind aurora
for regular OpenAL games just use OpenALsoft
games like Prey 2005, Doom 3, Quake 4
Bioshock
Bioshock 2
Bioshock infinite
Battlefield 2 and 2142
lean grove
I play approximately none of those games.
unborn gale
<@471867612381446144> <@438517857777876992>
Speakers can't do binaural audio be...
makes sense
lean grove
makes sense
As far as I can tell this short album was recorded with binaural audio
Sounds way less impressive on speakers.
kind aurora
oh what OpenAL does is it Converts Surround sound to Binaural Audio
using an HRTF conversion process
lean grove
I kinda guessed. Does it do that with any 5.1 signal or just specifically supported ones
kind aurora
I kinda guessed. Does it do that with any 5.1 signal or just specifically suppor...
all
4.0, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 8.1, 3D 7.1, ambisonics
and stereo
lean grove
Hmm. I've played around with HeSuVi and I hated it
I'll give this one a whirl and see how it works
kind aurora
I'll give this one a whirl and see how it works
it only works with games that use Directsound
or OpenAL
so
Half life
any game that uses EAX
i recommend trying to use this with the classic Thief games from the 90's
lean grove
it only works with games that use Directsound
kind aurora
yeah
lean grove
Pretty much useless then if it only works with vintage games
lean grove
Or the odd slightly more recent game but just as relevant
kind aurora
Assassins creed 1
uses OpenAL for EAX 5
Crysis i think Uses EAX effects
Need for Speed Underground was crazy good
lean grove
Needing to install third party software for a game is not something I miss from old games
lean grove
Yeah idk man to me it seems like it's a cool bit of software thats doomed
kind aurora
to you maybe, but there are lots of people out there playing so many retro games
lean grove
Sure. And that number will only ever decrease as updates make fewer and fewer games playable
Doomed.
Not dead.
kind aurora
uh
updates?
you sure?
cause theres a huge company fixing old games for modern windows
Called GOG?
lean grove
Bandaid solution.
kind aurora
still works
and it's got all the effects of those XP games
OpenAL doesn't just do 3D Audio
it also does EAX
Environmental Audio Extensions
something missing from the windows Audio stack since Vista
lean grove
I'm still categorizing this in the same level of those 3d monitors from 2014.
lean grove
What does that mean in the context of this conversation
kind aurora
OpenALsoft works on linux
and so long as linux Exists
with it's Wine and Proton libraries
Old games will never die
lean grove
Okay.
lean grove
Some of these have Linux in their name
Is that a Linux only version
Or just a link to how to get it working on linux
kind aurora
Borderlands Linux ports Use OpenAL
the windows one uses Xaudio
which can also be modded for HRTF
oh i see
it does support Dsound
even though it's using the Wwise API
lean grove
I still don't get why this has to be a third party software
That only works with some games.
kind aurora
because it was originally made to allow EAX to work with older games
Creative doesn't support their OpenAL Libraries anymore
the OpenALsoft Libraries are Fan made
Opensource
lean grove
If I ever meet a fan I'll let them know.
kind aurora
not to mention the creative Alchemy drivers were exclusively locked to the Audigy 2 and Titanium Xfi cards till someone built the Universal Patch
and even then it didn't support HRTF
lean grove
It's all useless third party software anyways.
You shouldn't have to download crap to get decent audio out of a game.
kind aurora
Welcome to the Hacky world of PCgaming that doesn't involve throwing money at your problems
lean grove
And more importantly you shouldn't have to buy hardware to use a software solution. It's the one thing I hate about creative.
kind aurora
oh no, the original Creative alchemy used the HostAL driver to use the Chips on the Card for Hardware Acceleration
the Universal Patch and later cards used Software Solutions
any sound card that didn't have the Emu20K Chipset had to use software
frustration is only caused by Ignorance and impatience
gamers these days expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter
ain't how it works
you want the best audio for your games, you gotta put in the elbow grease
you want the best visuals
have to tweak settings till you get it right
and that takes patience
for me, it's as easy as dropping the proper files into place, and setting the settings, i've done it so many times that it takes no longer than a few minutes
i know my computer inside and out, because of these kinds of things
i am so comfortable with my hacky PC Ways that i can mess with Nvidia Profile inspector in an Advanced Power user kinda way
like not even kidding
I've modded my audio drivers for These sets
lean grove
oh no, the original Creative alchemy used the HostAL driver to use the Chips on ...
I should emphasize that I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who lives in 2024 and has a relatively modern computer.
There isn't really a need to use sound cards to activate some stupid software.
In 2024.
When computers had half a gig of ram and a single core yeah it makes more sense
kind aurora
and i'm saying the beauty of PC Gaming, is it's Backwards Compatibility no matter how hacky it is
as someone in 2024, you sound like someone who's given up on the golden age of gaming, and is starting to side with the greedy Corporations of today
lean grove
I was about to say. The fact that you have to have all these hacky solutions is precisely because of greedy corporations using their built in solutions which are incompatible with each other
kind aurora
okay now this has just become a pissing contest
lean grove
Or better yet they'd have some sort of better way to interface with things in an agnostic way.
unique wind
⁉️
kind aurora
i ain't gonna argue anymore
lean grove
I'm thinking of the backwards compatibility of actual analog audio
Has been the same cable for the last 70 years
If you had to buy a converter for every five years of development it would be an absolute nightmare
ocean pulsar
you can listen to the low quality version all you want 🤷
you dont have to find something with eax support, it just was designed around the best system at the time
right now the equivalent is dolby atmos
lean grove
Why can't we just have ray traced audio and use virtual microphones to work as channels and mixing
Make the engine do all the work
ocean pulsar
thats what happens internally in most cases (tho usually with a mathematical model not a physical sim), the tough part is extracting that and piping that into your sound system
as well as having the end devices communicate back to the game the location of the microphones
lean grove
I could see it as entities tied to the camera.
Headphone mode is two binaural mics on the camera
Stereo is two mics spread out a bit further from the camera
ocean pulsar
which is cool and all, but thats forcibly internal to the game
lean grove
Wdym by forcibly internal
ocean pulsar
it has to have access to game data
lean grove
And the game engine wouldn't have access to that?
ocean pulsar
it would
lean grove
Then I don't see the problem.
ocean pulsar
you only get what the game gives you
lean grove
As opposed to...?
ocean pulsar
with atmos for example, the receiver/processor actually positions the sound specifically related to the positioning of the speakers in the room
lean grove
In my mind I'm picturing you could tell the game exactly the distance and angle to put the virtual microphones.
Like Atmos
ocean pulsar
sure but then everyone needs to code that into their game
oooor they could just use atmos
lean grove
I'm just speculating an agnostic way to have games be indefinitely compatible with good spatial audio
ocean pulsar
only difference is people have done the work to make eax work compatibly
they havent for atmos yet
molten lotus
What are your guys thoughts on DT880’s?
lean grove
The mics would clip through the walls. You'd need to do some funny business there.
But once you figure out the basics I feel like just ray tracing and virtual mics is more intensive but should be more resilient to weird crap
molten lotus
They seem eerily similar to the Audio Technicas I was looking at. They’re both neutral-like headphones with a decent soundstage
lean grove
They're neutral bright. I had a pair. Pretty good.
ocean pulsar
But once you figure out the basics I feel like just ray tracing and virtual mics...
that is what they do right now
lean grove
I like the 6xx more.
kind aurora
you dont have to find something with eax support, it just was designed around th...
yet you can also use OpenAL soft and DSOAL which is a Software Solution
lean grove
that is what they do right now
Who is they? Atmos?
ocean pulsar
yet you can also use OpenAL soft and DSOAL which is a Software Solution
that is "finding something with eax support"
molten lotus
I like the 6xx more.
The Beyerdyanamics look a lot more comfortable though 😅
ocean pulsar
Who is they? Atmos?
unreal at the very least
lean grove
Good.
molten lotus
I feel like the 6XX are way to big for my head
lean grove
My idea was so good someone else thought of it first.
kind aurora
unreal at the very least
OpenAL thought of it first
ocean pulsar
yea except ofc they didnt give the end user control over the positioning, and its super easy to mess up
lean grove
they just need to let me input my exact specifications for speaker placement and head size. Then we'll be cooking.
kind aurora
or actually i should say Aureal 3D back in the 90's
ocean pulsar
they just need to let me input my exact specifications for speaker placement and...
thing is tho that is how atmos (can) work
lean grove
yea except ofc they didnt give the end user control over the positioning, and it...
Not me saying that my speaker is 500 feet away so I can hear people's footsteps from across the map.
ocean pulsar
but atmos is proprietary so get wrecked
lean grove
And the cycle continues
kind aurora
Directsound3D came later with the first iterations of Direct3D
capable of setting up multiple Microphones for Sound sources
in the 3D Environment
molten lotus
Is an audio jack to USB adapter pretty solid to use? So I can run my jack from my headphones and the jack from the mod mic
kind aurora
and then OpenAL and Xaudio3D
lean grove
kind aurora
OpenAL and Xaudio 3d were only created because of the broken Audio Stack in Windows Vista
AKA the Hardware acceleration layer
or HAL for short
lean grove
Is an audio jack to USB adapter pretty solid to use? So I can run my jack from m...
As long as you don't get the 600 ohm version yes pretty much anything will be fine. 250 ohm might not get super loud on just your motherboard. But it will definitely be usable
kind aurora
don't worry, the jacks on your motherboard can be pretty loud with proper drivers
molten lotus
I’m not going to be using any amp or anything. Is 250ohm cause me issues compared to a 32ohm
Or I just won’t get the FULL performance from the 250ohm without an amp
kind aurora
it's only limited via the software side of things
ocean pulsar
I’m not going to be using any amp or anything. Is 250ohm cause me issues compare...
those arent the spec that matters
its sensitivity
lean grove
it's only limited via the software side of things
I can't tell if you're trolling
ocean pulsar
a 3000000 ohm headphone can be fine as long as its over 95ish db/v
kind aurora
I can't tell if you're trolling
at least with Realtek it's locked down via drivers
lean grove
Or I just won’t get the FULL performance from the 250ohm without an amp
The higher impedance ones are more agnostic to what you plug them into so your motherboard will actually be happier powering the 250 ohm ones. But you'll just need to turn the volume up a bit more to get the same volume.
That being said when I had the 250 ohm Beyers there wasn't anything that I found that couldn't get them to usable levels.
But on your motherboard you won't be able to turn them up so loud that it'll hurt like the 32 ohm ones.
kind aurora
which means those that want the best out of their Onboard audio hardware, either have to use older modified realtek drivers made for other realtek boards