audio-tech

[lean grove]

you're asking me to compare a crusty old speaker against a $200 soundbar. either which could be really good or really bad

[worn prawn]

DENON
AVR-S760H 7.2-Ch x 75w 8K A/V Receiver w/HEOS

[lean grove]

like theres no way to determine this

[worn prawn]

this is avr

[lean grove]

unless you listen to it

[worn prawn]

and a vizio v sound bar

how do do it look crusty and old

[lean grove]

paper tweeter, the grille covered in crumbs, 3 way design

perfectly square box

[worn prawn]

pioneer speakers vintage

It one of them

[lean grove]

turkey sandwhich

[worn prawn]

We got 4 of them

[worn prawn]

How that bad

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-snack-spinning-sanwich-omg-gif-26966481

[worn prawn]

?

[lean grove]

me too

[worn prawn]

No I mean how the speaker is bad jusr because it a square box

[lean grove]

oh.

it means they didnt put much effort into the cabinet

square box isnt bad, but a perfectly square box is

like look here. the edges are rounded gently so they dont break as easily

or this one its not even square

but thats just one part

the thing that tips me off that its cheap is the paper tweeter

this part

those cost maybe $1. or less

and they dont perform well

[worn prawn]

how about a philips fw-c780 mini hifi system

[lean grove]

do your own research. i dont know everything about every speaker. look it up on google and see what random people online think about it

[worn prawn]

i just dont find much about it vs sound bar

[lean grove]

then i dont think i will either

[worn prawn]

ok

[worn prawn]

do you think it funny at how cheap my family is it a chepa tv and chepa souond bar they had a 720p tv wathc most bast ball in hd while all the move are dvd for a long time say they cant tell the differ of hd while sit 10 feet away from a 32 inch tv

[astral schooner]

Idk how to really explain it

But like everything works pretty much

But I have no sound

My monitors sound is on

And I don’t hear anything

(Not using headphones rn btw)

I got the sound to work before but I don’t know how I did it

could it be the hdmi cord?

[elder thistle]

does anyone have a video link or any information on shortening the time window of microphone audio pickup on rew

I've been searching for a while and I have no idea what it's called and found 0 videos

I was told multiple times and saw a video in the past on it. it was a solution to increase the accuracy of the treble when measuring speakers

I need that resource

clamp

timing

something

GATE

[elder thistle]

that's almost 8 feet

I should be able to do 70hz with this (outside)

[warm scarab]

@unique wind do you have any recommendations for sub 60$ wired in ears

[unique wind]

i haven’t tried them but KZ Castor look like they should be pretty good

those are only like $13usd on aliexpress

[warm scarab]

thats basically nothing

[unique wind]

yeah ive been kinda tempted to order some myself

just because they’re the price of one meal

i wanna try the alternative bass version though

it has a 15db bass hill

become truthear novapilled klaus

you need real hifi

[haughty girder]

if you want the best thing you can get at that price, Truthear Zero Reds

an actually well designed 2dd

[warm scarab]

not paying that much for an iem

[elder thistle]

fail

how do you define best

[unique wind]

by being the best

behold the best IEMs in the world jackson

objectively

the truthear red is decent too for sure, its two problems are its comfort, and it is missing some upper treble which makes it sound less detailed and less spacious

but it has great tonal balance and extraordinarily low distortion

[elder thistle]

the whole treble=detail thing never made sense to me

it just pushes whatever treble detail it has or doesn't have into the spotlight

dt770 80 ohm: bright, not detailed

[warm scarab]

its a correlation

boosting highs makes things sound more detailed

as well as having a more responsive driver

it isn't a 1:1 reason

[elder thistle]

boosting treble on my k361 yeilds no such result

the slow driver still sounds slow

and

the shure srh1840 is probably the most detailed/resolving thing I've ever heard, and it had slightly recessed treble

a lot of information about a sound or instrument is stored in the treble, but loudness of the treble only scales the loudness

and potentially masking, which I get

loss of information is not the same as quieter than usual information

[warm scarab]

where are you boosting

and what track are you demoing

[elder thistle]

don't remember, probably a shelf around 8k if I had to guess

[warm scarab]

8k isn't the detail region

[elder thistle]

I don't use the k361 unless I'm asked to

[warm scarab]

so you wouldn't benefit much

try upwards of 15khz

18-20khz can yield good results

[elder thistle]

that doesn't work either, that's just air frequencies

[warm scarab]

it makes things more sibilant

which is what we define as details

hence when you lose the hearing range with old age you can't understand people anymore

this is as only for frequency response though, there are other factors that affect the details of course

[warm scarab]

it signifies ends of a lot of the phonemes we pronounce

that old people have difficulty hearing

[tawdry gale]

eq in lowermids and midbass makes it the best bargain under 500 usd

[unique wind]

i do adjust 1.2k and 3k but i dont touch the bass because its already perfect

[warm scarab]

how many drivers is this

[unique wind]

1dd 4ba per ear

3 way crossover

[quaint drift]

itchy ears

[unique wind]

[warm scarab]

not the objectively best iem

anymore

[unique wind]

it is

the only way you could beat it is by having customs made

[warm scarab]

multiple drivers can cause problems

[unique wind]

they can but they are necessary to have proper upper treble

[warm scarab]

there are single driver iems with upper treble

just a bit expensive

[unique wind]

not really

[warm scarab]

senn ones should have upper treble

[unique wind]

they look okay on a graph but if you actually try them with music or sine sweeps youll see that it's missing

hard to measure up there

[warm scarab]

that's true

i wouldn't measurebate for it

[unique wind]

single driver might be doable if they put acoustic metamaterial in the iem

if such a thing is possible

it's not like any dampening or soundstage concerns are there with an iem because there is none to begin with

the only things that determine perceived soundstage with an iem are tonal balance and upper treble response

[steady moth]

I want to get some speakers for my desk and am considering the creative pebble v3 and was wondering if those are fine or if there is other ones that I should get?

[warm scarab]

for that much you can't really get anything else

[lean grove]

How much do you want to spend

[steady moth]

$30-40ish

[lean grove]

Pebbles are your best bet

[steady moth]

OK thanks

[neon ember]

I feel like elijah

I put a hole in my sub

[warm scarab]

glue time

[lean grove]

Who is Elijah

[warm scarab]

father elijah from new vegas

he is known for puncturing woofer surrounds

[steady moth]

any suggestions for $50ish iems?

[neon ember]

The guy who put 6 extra holes in electroboom's wall

[slim mason]

thats a sub? looks like a mid to me

[neon ember]

6.5 inch sub

Stolen from a 5.1 sorround system

It's pretty loud, resonated at around 70-75hz

[slim mason]

6.5" needs a hell of a box to sound decent ngl

[slim mason]

chu 2

[steady moth]

the moondrop ones?

[slim mason]

ye

[steady moth]

ok I consider them thanks

[haughty girder]

Try to get Truthear Zero Reds

Otherwise Salnotes Zero 2, Truthear HOLA (if you can still find any, they're discontinued), Kiwi Ears Cadenza (on sale, they're not better than the other 20 dollar offerings)

[livid ruin]

i replaced my hd 681's with velour pads and it sounds like the treble has even increased ;-;

iyo paper mod worth it guys?

[steel escarp]

holy moly, I missed dynamic drivers for EDM

bass boosted hd800s so nice, like 7dB bass boost

[elder thistle]

is it powerful

[copper ermine]

what are some good compact speakers i can place around my room, since ive only got forward facing speakers rn having some form of surround sound would be epic

[molten lotus]

What should I buy for the best IEM under 220$?

I'm looking forward ie200

...not gonna sure if it that gud?

[drowsy blade]

Are you looking for something to just dot around or an actual 7.1/5.1 surround system?

[copper ermine]

I ain't got space behind my bed and couch to put speakers so it just dot around

[drowsy blade]

Smart speakers like HomePods, google homes, Alexa’s, etc are always my go to, they act as hubs for any other smarthome stuff you have and you can obviously just ask them stuff

But if you’re looking for just a speaker system then Sonos is pretty high end and make super integrated systems

[copper ermine]

I've already got speakers

Just wanted some other ones to bring the sound around my room more

[unique wind]

truthear nova

[dapper quartz]

Has anybody tried both the Sennheiser Ambeo Mini + Plus soundbars?
I have the mini but wondering if theres much of an difference upgrading to the Plus

[tawdry gale]

truthear nova + eq

[unique wind]

without eq its still the best IEM, but yes, you can put peak filters at 1.2KHZ and 3KHz to get near-perfect harman compliance

[molten lotus]

Hello, i have the logi z906 but im on laptop so i got an external sound card and as interface i used the 6channel (front, rear, bass) but the rear speakers dont work correctly. any ideas? Also this is the driver ui, what do these letters mean?

[molten lotus]

does the 🚮 refer to the card or the speakers?

[warm scarab]

both

[molten lotus]

what do u suggest

[warm scarab]

trash them

surround sound cards is a joke anyhow, every half decent, even bad surround systems come with a surround remixer on their selves

[molten lotus]

can u elaborate a bit? does that mean the pc doesnt need to have a sound card? how can i tell if a surround system has a remixer? are there known good brands?

[warm scarab]

so basically

you have analog and digital audio

regular headphone jacks and most standard analog audio is stereo, two channels, left and right

analog audio is, digital audio which is just data made into an actual sound signal

every decent system relies on a surround receiver, something like a big metal box

this box takes in digital audio signals, usually through hdmi or optical and outputs 6-8 analog channels of audio to which you connect your speaker system to

the z906 system has a surround mixer in its digital display box thingy

but the entire system is a walmart tier popularized eh system

so you don't need a surround sound card in the first place with any decent surround system since the sound card is already present in their mixers, and the speaker system of your choice is not a good one in the 1st place

[molten lotus]

so if i wanted to buy a new one which one would you suggest?

[warm scarab]

a surround system?

[molten lotus]

yes for gaming

[warm scarab]

what is your budget

[molten lotus]

the lowest i can get a satisfying result at

it will better than the one i have now anyway

[warm scarab]

I don't really care for surround since I use speakers for music and not at all for gaming and movies

but their market is usually really high end and expensive af

id stick to what you have despite it not being good

unless you have serious money to blow on the subject

[molten lotus]

most ppl go for headsets but i dont like it on my head

nah its ok ill stay with what i have

[warm scarab]

well they are the most budget friendly option

[molten lotus]

but when i look through surround systems how can i know that one is good?

[warm scarab]

by asking people

the descriptions and properties of audio systems is generally completely meaningless

most depend on tests done by users and reviewers with pro gear

and interpreting that data is generally not very easy unless you take the time to learn

there are servers like sonic visions filled with speaker nerds that have personally tested hundreds of systems each, I would ask there for speaker advice if I were you

not headphone stuff though

[molten lotus]

will check it thanks for all the info. the problem with my current system is that the back speakers dont isolate. i play the audio surround test that plays each speaker individually and it works for the fronts but when it goes to the backs the fronts play along. also in windows configuration when i turn it to 5.1 it doesnt recognize the back ones

[warm scarab]

im not sure about that system in particular, a lot of logi users said the same thing, idk if its a user error or not

but one thing i can recommend you is that, if the system accepts any form of digital data inputs, use those

dont use stuff like 3.5 or rca

[molten lotus]

it accepts optical, 6-channel and rca

[warm scarab]

try optical if you can

it may interpret the data better

also wdym by 6 channel

[molten lotus]

still have to use the shitty aliexpress audio card cause im on laptop

[molten lotus]

3 plugs, orange, green, black

front, rear, bass

[warm scarab]

thats 3 though

so you would naturally not get 6 channel audio with it

[molten lotus]

manual calls it 6-channel dunno why lol

https://www.logitech.com/assets/36226/z906620-002920006ug403.pdf

[warm scarab]

thats wacky af

yeah you'd want to use optical with this

[molten lotus]

shame cause i always liked logitech quality hoped it would work well

[warm scarab]

they have become a very subpar company in the last few years

may be the time to move on

especially when it comes to audio

[molten lotus]

will do but for now thats what i have

also got this for the laptop https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005987149621.html

it has optical but dunno if i can trust it

also what peripheral companies are high quality nowdays?

ppl say razer but seems kinda swagish

[warm scarab]

should be fine

[warm scarab]

the redpill is that you trust no company

every company even the utmost high end ones have 1 item worth buying per 10 garbage ones

and generally they all do one thing better than the other

razer is currently really good with their mice

none of the gaming companies do audio good

none of the gaming ones do keyboards good either

its mostly boutique keyboard sellers or aliexpress sellers

or wooting if you like analog

so yeah don't use company names to go off of things

[molten lotus]

yea i usually go for the reviews too

[warm scarab]

try getting them in discord servers unironically

90% of the shit on google has affiliate links to profit off of them

same with youtube

so they shill everything

amazon reviews generally say more about the user's standards than they do of the items

communities based on the peripherals have a ton of people into the subject though so you can get pretty interesting and mostly diverse opinions there

[molten lotus]

like this server?

what other servers do that?

[warm scarab]

this one works ig

sonic visions is pretty unparalleled as far as speaker stuff goes

there are a ton of keyboard communities on the server explorer thing

for headphones you can do here and goldensound

pc part picker is generally good apart from audio subjects

[molten lotus]

appreciate all the info ill try with the optical and update

[warm scarab]

np

[crystal rampart]

any recommendations for a microphone with a microphone arm for 50-100€?

[warm scarab]

you buy the arm separately

and they are generally universal

[slim mason]

eh some come with bundles

like the fifine bundle etc which is on sale for like 40 bucks often, insane value imo

[warm scarab]

yeah with trash ones

seriously who the fuck uses a desk stand

wow i love transmitting keyboard noise over my desk

[slim mason]

the fifine bundle comes with an arm and a shock mount

so

[warm scarab]

which mic is this

[slim mason]

T669 iirc

nothing crazy but for the price pretty damn great

[steel escarp]

how do people say hd800s is detailed

this headphone gives me so many questions

[elder thistle]

ungated version

finally a speaker that can outdo dt770 treble

[tranquil spindle]

Basement stereo setup

[fair pawn]

Cuz the lack of bass

And the tin can sounding makes it easy to feel more clarity

[nova wagon]

weird
i remembered many said that the hd800/hd800s being the widest but not the most accurate

[fair pawn]

It is wide and imaging is great

But it sounds thin

That’s why it’s great for classical

Everything have its own placement and none of the instruments will cover the other

But then when you put on some music that gives it a bit more depth and oomph then HD800S weakness becomes apparent

And the soundstage is….. too good to make it accurate

[nova wagon]

understandable

[fair pawn]

Imagine pushing yourself into the conductor position instead of sitting in the hall

Is there a good soundstage? Yes
Is it accurate? No

[lean grove]

🤨

[haughty girder]

It is

It's a very fast dynamic driver in the realm of dynamic drivers

and detail retrieval is pretty good, on top of pseudodetail from the brightness

My main gripe with the HD800/s is that... it's not enjoyable to listen to

It's no HD600 or 650

not even close to the fun of the Emu Teaks

and you could get both of those for less than an HD800

Like sure the whole thing about soundstage and imaging but honestly, it's not even that good

not all its hyped up to be

[lean grove]

What does "fast driver" mean.

[elder thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxUFsufAGoc

[steel escarp]

After EQ the bass is not thin and there is no piercing treble. Even the 2kHz dip taken care of. It now sounds really good in terms of tonality. The detail just isn't there like my he1000v2 stealth

The bass distortion is also just too much

[dull trout]

can just use those 5 dollars arm, try fifine mic

[west crypt]

whats better sony WH-1000XM5 or the airpods max

[dull trout]

if im honest, buds 2 pro

[west crypt]

already have buds thinking of over ears

[warm scarab]

waste of money

[molten lotus]

Uh...I would recommend under 85...

If u gonna hear it for like...hours then under 85

[warm scarab]

id do a home invasion if i were your neighbor

[cyan drum]

Yeah I have hearing protection I just love the feel of bass in your chest

[molten lotus]

Like in the concert, right/? :D

Hope u enjoy it :D

[warm scarab]

concerts are 10% music 90% noise from surrounding area

i will never understand the appeal

[molten lotus]

Nah, it just all about support ur Artists

[cyan drum]

I sure do enjoy it hopefully my parents do too lol

[warm scarab]

if it was solely about that

then you'd just buy the ticket and not show up

or buy merch

[molten lotus]

Ye

[molten lotus]

However, in my perspective, a trip to concert is really worth it...like sometime they will make a special version of the same song when they r on the stage....and also we will inspire them to continue working on Music

Ofc, it's depend on ur choice

Ah...back to my topic :')

Sennheiser IE 200 worth it?

[shrewd raptor]

So my son is in a band, and I record all the performances with my iphone 14 promax. They turn out fine, but want to step it up a bit. Anyone have any recommendations on a gimbal to use, and an External Mic that would be good for picking up a wider range of sounds. I have a rode video go that I sometimes use with a gopro, but curious if there are better options to use with the iphone.

[lean grove]

This server is more focused on hifi and consumer audio. You want pro audio advice. Check out the podcastage discord server, they have a lot more pro audio people in there.

[south sky]

Sisters looking for cheap over/on ear headphones around 20€ any recommendations?

[unique wind]

kz castor

bro edited their message and removed in ear

[lean grove]

Koss ksc75

[south sky]

Thanks she’s going to go for those

[steel escarp]

someone actually listened

goated

[feral swift]

Hi all, I'm looking for a decent set of headphones with a not too tight clamp without a mic for gaming and general video conferencing. In terms of budget I'm at around £150

[unborn gale]

is the PC37X that price there?

[feral swift]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Massdrop-Sennheiser-PC37X-Gaming-Headset/dp/B084GFGMYT?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

This one?

[unborn gale]

yeah

[feral swift]

Yeah its £156

[feral swift]

Unfortunately it has a mic... looking for one without a mic

[unborn gale]

oh whoops thought you wanted a mic

[haughty girder]

Look into the DT880 250ohm, or HD560s. It seems you're not in America? What country

[feral swift]

In England

UK

[haughty girder]

oh

Thomann

[feral swift]

Thomann?

[haughty girder]

It's a store

[feral swift]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07Q7S7247/ref=twister_B07T7W9231

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-HD-560S-reference-grade-enthusiasts-Black/dp/B0BSGX44MY/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1U0IKCCEFWYHX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jZ1_72rSLT1O3uDa_UyYZB6s-s670sgqHVezwm4BeGVGk-5SOxlPNnYmnV8qxhdFKe6IfxHT0JN0A3aC0ZrvPPJSJFDLouDaigLM4iKGNeShNPe3Oh4AsPCNQ9aj82QvuNkrYvmNkNi6AvTPyKZK-CPW9IKDeH4ItpQ7a6RFxHiOdUE1neXPwGgIMJ7xnbG4765efOzbSS5nBWpuCKg-CVLKoDrfnzJqWtIrdZHWNb_3IFdR_sQtVTuA2ZnRmuiFAWyrj5vL0-j2tDJ_sxUIsV3TorfKNzX792NTHnAH9ho.nY1-iKrQb_JIqbmjjXDDDfa9xeU1eaPsr7GL3TyDZWs&dib_tag=se&keywords=hd560s&qid=1709772242&sprefix=hd560s%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.16386313-b7bf-4b29-bfa1-0d3d5f3a0dd5&th=1

[haughty girder]

Avoid HD599, HD560s is alright

[feral swift]

Okay, HD560s is good for me

Is it good just by itself or should I get it with the audio interface?

[haughty girder]

Given you have a quadcast, interface would be useless

try to get a dongle called "CX31993"

[feral swift]

Sorry, I have the SoloCast, not the quadcast

Basically same thing anyway

@haughty girder https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/335184057807

Is this the one?

[haughty girder]

You can get it cheaper from say, Aliexpress

[feral swift]

true

found it

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002254413517.html

[haughty girder]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005719192576.html?

Here's a slightly cheaper version

[feral swift]

bruh

40p

fair enough

How does this work? Does it plug into my motherboard?

[haughty girder]

Aliexpress also has this thing called "superdeals" which you can get it for even cheaper

almost half price too iirc

[haughty girder]

Any type C port

[feral swift]

1 x USB-C® 10Gb/s

That should be it

[haughty girder]

yea any usb port will do

[feral swift]

How does it work exactly?

And does it genuinely work?

[lean grove]

Plug headphones into dongle. Plug dongle into computer

[feral swift]

lol fair enough but like

how come is this dongle so much better?

[lean grove]

Because they're not scamming you with "gaming" software and useless features

It's just a simple chip that is decent quality, and is relatively far away from the noisy circuits in your motherboard.

It does one, maybe two things. And that's it.

[feral swift]

Okay, thanks guys, appreciate the help

[feral swift]

Update: bought the CX cable and the Sennheiser 560S. Looking forward to trying them out together. Thanks guys!! 🙂

Maybe later at a different point in time I'll get a DAC/AMP? If you think thats a good idea?

[haughty girder]

Unlikely that you'll need it

[lean grove]

if you do, you can get just the amp and keep using the dongle as a dac

[mild bloom]

can anyone help with onn usb stereo speakers not working?

[elder thistle]

hd560s has strong clamping force

you will probably want to forcibly stretch it somehow

also for anyone else here who doesn't know,

the hd560s no longer measures like a flat headphone

on a 711 clone it actually measures like this now

it was a bit of a mystery and I was blamed for the mods to the felt and plastic structure under the grill, but I replaced and confirmed that this didn't change the sound by even 0.5db, and excessive grill damping caused the fr to tilt towards flat instead of this bass-mids tilt

but then someone else confirmed that the earpads I got (genuine OEM sennheiser replacement pads for hd560s from sennheiser's amazon page) were actually swapped out for hd559 earpads but sold as hd560s earpads anyways

and then other people started getting hd560s's that measured like this too, just with the pads that were on the headphones already

so hd560s is now a bass (quantity) option, mostly

I suspect that 2k dip and perhaps some stuff in the treble is hurting my ability to differentiate between frontwards and backwards sounds in most games

or the imaging just sucks for me by default and I'm just unlucky. can't test that since I can't obtain the version 1 pads

[quaint drift]

im struggling to try and eq out these very loud high hats

idk what im doing wrong

[feral swift]

Hopefully I get the HD560s pads then

[feral swift]

Reasoning for why I don’t want a strong clamping force is because I will be wearing glasses with it

[warm scarab]

just try

if it doesn't work out you can always return them

[warm scarab]

you can't really eq out peaks

[feral swift]

True true. They’re coming today

So will try them. The dac will be here in 3-4 days ish

[warm scarab]

don't expect much from the dac

its just meant to make sure things are running properly

it doesn't color the audio or anything

its good to have to ensure everything is standard quality, not to establish an improvement is what I am saying

[feral swift]

Yeah I understand, thanks for this. I did think it would make the sound “better” lol. Don’t know a thing about how sound works

[warm scarab]

it may make it better if what you have onboard isn't sufficient, which isn't very unusual

[feral swift]

If it all works as it should, then I’m happy

[feral swift]

According to my mobo I have Realtek® Audio CODEC
High Definition Audio
2/4/5.1/7.1-channel

[warm scarab]

that really doesn't mean anything at all

[feral swift]

No clue then

[quaint drift]

i figured, so basically I have to choose between detail and that... is there a way to filter?

[warm scarab]

I am not sure what you want

and its not like detail is a property of peaking audio

[quaint drift]

maybe im not using the right words

high hats in every song sitting in the 4-8k range is just overpowering

[warm scarab]

how do you know its the 4-8k

[quaint drift]

How i came to that conclusion? I flipped sliders trying to figure out where this loud noise was coming from

[warm scarab]

which eq program did you use

[quaint drift]

Adobe + the apple music one that comes on my mac

[warm scarab]

I don't know any eq programs for mac unfortunately

anyhow

what headphone do you have

[quaint drift]

using the em6l

[quaint drift]

I use it for school

[warm scarab]

apparently it has a peak at 4k

[quaint drift]

so I gotta buy new ones

lmfao

[warm scarab]

https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/Super Review/in-ear/Simgot Audio EM6L

https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/Harpo/in-ear/Simgot Audio EM6L

there are autoeq presets for it

you can try them out and see how it goes

[quaint drift]

u might be a genius

[molten lotus]

Sennheiser IE 300 worth it?

[warm scarab]

no

[neon ember]

Why don't they use shure sm58 in studios?

[lean grove]

Why would they?

[warm scarab]

so they can have very mediocre audio

[lean grove]

Not the sm7b, Klaus

The sm58

[warm scarab]

mid af

i love bass and treble fall off

hate it when a mic can pick those up

[neon ember]

Then do they only use them on stage because they are made of bedrock?

[warm scarab]

cheap durable dynamic without much noise

[neon ember]

Ah

[warm scarab]

not a bad option

[nova wagon]

also durable too

so yea

[neon ember]

Thanks

[wheat moss]

Because they're not studio mics

They're vocal mics

[steel escarp]

wait there now is a meze liric 2

[lean grove]

Yeah embargo got lifted today

[worldly saddle]

hello, i need a lil help. i want to connect an amp to my pc i which i will plug in my headphones. in which OUT do i plug in the amp?

Line, RS or Cs?

[lean grove]

Line

[elder thistle]

they do. well its more common in home studios and live recording scenarios

it is not fussy or oversensitive about what it records, and doesnt need as much or any processing

its durable and can be used for a lot of things

[haughty girder]

No...

SM57/58 are literally your do it all mic

it's popular for live use because it can take a beating, sounds alright and has decent handle noise rejection

it's popular in studio use for talkback where a producer would talk to the person being recorded

it's not popular for vocal recording because of its bass and treble rolloff, and there's really no reason to use it over a quality condenser

you DO see the SM57 being used to record certain instruments for its tonality, though.

[unborn goblet]

SM57 is pretty good on snare drums

[elder thistle]

yeah condenser mics can easily sound more intimate and detailed. it's just that sometimes that's harder to mix, and sometimes you don't want to hear so much detail

[neon ember]

Oh thank you so much

I'm trying to learn stage audio and these are a bit hard

I got the basics, i was the main tech on a couple of small school events but i want to learn how the real people do this

[neon ember]

Like why this mic and why not another

[thick lake]

hey, what are your guys recommendations for wireless ear buds?

My previous ear buds were soundcore liberty 3 pro's and I really liked them but it's been so long I feel like there could be better options

Please ping me, Thank you!

[fervent tangle]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1215450792249532436

[feral swift]

Ive been using my sennheisers for the better part of 3 hours now and they’re the comfiest and best sounding headphones ive had so far. Tbf the competitors only were HyperX Cloud 2 and Turtle beach so 😅 and that was in 2014

Cloud 2s a little later than 2014 I must admit but yeah, same spiel

[quaint drift]

you know what

i like iems

i just had to trust the process

[wheat moss]

What are you smoking? It's literally in the names
SM58 is meant for vocals, SM57 is meant for instruments

[haughty girder]

and what part of that makes it not a "studio" mic?

Studio is the dumbest marketing term in the audio space in the past two decades

you can use literally anything in a studio

[elder thistle]

this is a true sound design moment

[haughty girder]

SM58 is made for vocals and thus has a built in pop filter and ball, SM57 is for instruments... also works well with voice, just requires better mic technique... and they're the same capsule.

NONE of that makes it not a "studio" mic

[wheat moss]

Overall audio quality, and like you said "it's bass and treble rolloff"

[haughty girder]

Audio quality is fine with those mics

Also, even if it's a bad quality mic (which it isn't), that doesn't mean there's no use for them

As I said earlier, talkback mics don't require quality

[wheat moss]

Fine yes, but not really what you want for recording vocals for music or whatever

[haughty girder]

so oftentimes it's just whichever mic can take abuse the best while being relatively inexpensive, that would still make it useful in a studio

[wheat moss]

TalkBack mics have literally fucking nothing to do with this lmao, you can use literally anything for that, it doesn't matter at all

[haughty girder]

You're out here arguing about studio mics - Talkback in a studio is very much a "studio" use case

[elder thistle]

there is something called a use case

there are a lot of use cases in a studio

[lean grove]

if you're using non studio mics in your studio its not a studio. its a recording booth made by amateurs.

[haughty girder]

Fuck my bad

[lean grove]

exactly

you dont want to be an amateur do you ?

you better cough up the cash then, you loser

[haughty girder]

Of course not, so I'm stuck with using U87s and stuff

:(((

On a sidenote I seriously don't get why people love that mic so much

[lean grove]

because they spent 4 grand on it and have to cope with that somehow

[haughty girder]

Hm.

Ballsy

[elder thistle]

I think it's just a really founded workhorse microphone that studios trust

big studios can make investments into mics like that like it's nothing

[haughty girder]

Large studios sure, if it's nice and makes you more credible then I guess that's one reason

[lean grove]

yeah true. at the professional level time is worth its weight in gold.

[haughty girder]

if it works and your workflow is optimized for it, also a W

[elder thistle]

normal people can get more for their money by hunting around and seeing if they can find something maybe not as well-rounded but great where it needs to be for their use cases

[haughty girder]

I mean

It's the only reason I can think of for people buying the SM58 over a Beta 58 or SE V7

It's well known and trusted, and pros are familiar with the nuances with working with one in any capacity

[elder thistle]

I meant for the u87, generally

though I guess it could apply to the sm58 even if it's already pretty cheap

[haughty girder]

I'd argue for most people recording vocals, WA87 is actually a better mic than the U87

[elder thistle]

there are $400-1000 mics that I prefer certain vocals on vs a u87

[haughty girder]

yea

[elder thistle]

does it sound as good with male vocals or piano? maybe not

but a lot of people don't have pianos or the need to record one

[haughty girder]

With pianos it really depends on the setting

like an average stage versus a concert hall will have very different acoustics and thus different requirements for mic setups

[elder thistle]

I heard something about two u87's placed literally inside a closed grand piano

forget which singer had that in their music

[haughty girder]

Closed?

[elder thistle]

someone famous and probably old

[haughty girder]

that's actually wild

[elder thistle]

kinda big brain

[haughty girder]

especially if it's U87s

You'd be trying to go after a very specific sound by doing that

[elder thistle]

I bet that sounds so intimate with the tiny details of the strings

[haughty girder]

it would, but you'd also be dealing with some of the weird resonances that comes from closed

but if it matches the sound characteristics they're going after then that's pretty creative...

[elder thistle]

yeah I'd be scared to press any low notes

[elder thistle]

so sometimes popular headphone models on amazon don't really compete with other common headphones in most ways

and then there's the oneodio a71

which has loud blown up bass starting too early at like 250hz

is a little bright, then actually is pretty balanced

and when I played a well-mixed snare on this thing, it was snappier than an hd600

like eq the upper mids and treble up on the hd600 and the a71 is still snappier because I'm not talking about tonality

not that the hd600 is supposed to be that snappy

but these $30 headphones are literally the 3rd most transient thing I own

it brings the fight to the $150 stuff in instrument separation

imaging and stage is shit

also they fold in a million ways which is annoying

bootleg planar or something idk

someone name a cool sub-$200 headphone

except he400se because that's at my sister's house

[unborn gale]

Static Vanish

[warm scarab]

glad you like them

[empty peak]

Hey y'all, I need a little guidance, I've been starting a vinyl collection, but I don't have a player. What would be some good cheap recommendations? I'm looking at a budget of about $300, but every vid points to the AT-LP60X/XBT since they can go for under $250

Even if I do get that, what'd be a good starter set of bookshelf speakers? tbh anything that wouldn't cost too much works

[drowsy blade]

LP60 is a go to recommendation for beginners, but as for speakers that depends on If you want passive or active. If you want passive then you’ll need to factor an amp into the cost if you don’t already have one

[empty peak]

Oh, does the LP60 not have a preamp?
Since the XBT has a bluetooth feature, I could always use my soundbar, but I believe it also has optical out as well

What would you recommend for if I do a passive + amp vs an active set up? (Could be a tweeter + subwoofer or just a combo one)

[drowsy blade]

Most beginner turntables do have preamps. But as the name suggests it’s a PRE amp. It goes before your main amp.

Turntables don’t output a line level signal. They need a preamp to boost it to line level, which than then be fed into your main amp which drives the speaker

I personally use a Fenton AV100BT, I’d suggest looking on eBay for a set of Sony speaker units, you can usually get them quite cheap if they originally came as part of a system

You can get a decent pair for like £30 usually

That have both a main driver and a tweeter, some of them might even include a sub, but I generally prefer subs to be separate

[tough lava]

Rackmount stuff is always better than non rackmount 😄

[exotic sentinel]

does anyone know a good mixamp or amps that are on amazon that are also good

trying to find an amp for streaming/content that I can also maybe have presets for voice or soundboard options

[warm scarab]

thats not what an amp does

[quaint drift]

just a mixer?

[warm scarab]

a soundboard

and a mixer

[exotic sentinel]

a mixer or both

if there's a mix I'd prefer that

if not just a solid mixamp is enough

[drowsy blade]

Have a look into Behringer xenyx line, they have tons of mixers with different features at different price points and they’re insanely powerful and good quality for the price

You can get an 8 channel mixer for like £100, 1204USB is what I currently have,

They have anything from 2 channel to like 16 channel

https://www.behringer.com/catalog.html?brandName=behringer&catalog=Range&category=R-BEHRINGER-XENYXSERIES&itemsPerPage=15&pageNumber=1

[warm scarab]

xenyx entry is very weak I would absolutely not recommend it for powering anything

[drowsy blade]

Well yeah you’d need to run it into an amp but they’re pretty good for the price

[coral tiger]

Typically the go to for a podcast/stream mixer & midi/soundboard. Given the cost it at least has enough in it to power both hungry mics (i.e. SM7b) & headphones (i.e. Sennheiser 6**) though you'd typically want reference headphones.
https://rode.com/en-us/interfaces-and-mixers/rodecaster-series/rodecaster-pro-ii

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-reaction-oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-gif-25698553

[coral tiger]

Oh no I linked someone to a popular & heavily reviewed product that does everything they are asking for and more. God, I'm such a bad person.

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-gif-21319408

[exotic sentinel]

would the Focusrite Vocaster One or the Scarlett 4th Gen Solo be options that would be great

and which one would you choose?

[coral tiger]

Focusrite isn't the greatest. Something like Audient Audio Interface iD4 MKII is much better for just an audio interface, no mixer/sliders or midi pad.
https://a.co/d/29L2Tqu

There's also a cheap ($40) fifine mixer that might work for you depending on your mic & headphones. But being $40 I wouldn't expect anything stunning. More just a typical gamer RGB toy than quality equipment.
https://a.co/d/1wsa0dz

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/it-never-ceases-to-amaze-me-rotating-cube-test-triangle-ball-checkerboard-gif-23085047

[coral tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/shaw-shank-redemption-morgan-freeman-i-dont-give-a-shit-i-dont-care-gif-13969945

The first time I posted anything in this channel was providing an example of headphones in someone's budget that the few of you who act like you own the channel completely ignored because they weren't worth your time and just kept talking completely ignoring them so I offered help. But when I posted suddenly you had so much free time you tagged 3 other people to come jump me together. So that made it very difficult to provide more in depth assistance since he bailed because of your drama and I had to deal with your group nonsense.

Next time I posted here it was simply a basic test to see your actual knowledge by posting industry standard monitors for decades and of course you just attacked calling them "shit" regardless.

You and your "friends" are why everyone who knows anything about audio avoids this channel like the plague.

If you just left to stay in Dankpods server this channel would actually be useful, but no one would listen since you are just a human chatbot of what is said in that server.

[tough lava]

I think this audio interface should be ok for listening to stuff on headphones

[elder thistle]

I uh

well people are bound to have different opinions on audio, given how blurred facts can be and how vast of an impact preferences have on the entire scene

if you get stuck giving advice to someone that conflicts with other advice they're getting, don't take it so personally and just live with it

that is a physical limitation of advice that every person seeking it is responsible for understanding

as well as every person giving it

[coral tiger]

I completely agree with all of that, it has nothing to do with a differing opinions about audio. It's about insanely rude behavior that has not stopped anytime he ever sees me post anything, even when he comes to the channel I most frequent.

Which then extends to how rudely they treat people they view beneath them, or flat out ignore then hate on someone who dares to provide that person with an answer to the initial question asked.

[elder thistle]

I haven't known nils to be someone who goes around insulting people in discord

this channel in general seems to be relatively tame, at least by my standards

it's more likely that nils sent that gif because he watched yet another person almost buy a focusrite interface

and there is an unending torrential downpour of people blind-buying certain focusrite interfaces without knowing any of the caveats and issues

cue the stunt double

not that focusrite interfaces are an objectively bad choice somehow. but there are reasons a lot of people don't like many of their interfaces

[coral tiger]

That gif was sent just minutes after I replied to a post from 10 hours previous. It was directly aimed at me for having the audacity to comment in what he believes is his channel, it was simply to make his presence known, an effort try to scare me away because he doesn't like me. I know this as I've already suffered his "wrath" many times.
Hell he flat out told me he was the gatekeeper & I wasn't permitted to participate, which from past experiences I know means or face mockery and/or attacking anything I say, as displayed in his cute little gifs earlier.
Can't even get to a stage of having a conversation with someone to find out what their needs behind the opening question are before he starts in.
I couldn't care less about him, I just like to assist people, which he has routinely made sure that couldn't happen without the OP feeling like any assistance I give is inherently incorrect because it comes from me, even when it's because they just ignored the person.
But it's not about me, I'm just the stubborn one who refuses to be told I can't speak and like many others instead only do so in other channels until a mod yells at us for talking about technical audio topics for too long in a general tech channel.

[tough lava]

Firewire supremacy!

[elder thistle]

no u

[candid cosmos]

20 gamers one cpu

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab DT900 pro x actually decent if you just EQ the treble down

better than dt880

this bothered me a bit, but that is all

sounds overall clearer than dt1990 as well

[steel escarp]

@haughty girder your volt v176 seems to have treble roloff

compared to motu m2

[stark mist]

do you need a hug?

[muted mural]

is there any custom eqs you guys recommend for focal bathys?

im currently using dynamic

[drowsy blade]

Tbh yeah

[steel escarp]

holy shit, watching like 10 different mic reviews, its all the same amount of detail just with a slightly different frequency response

[molten lotus]

does someone know of a chrome extension which makes all youtube videos have the same volume?

[shadow stag]

what's better? the display/gpu audio or the motherboard audio?

[lean grove]

the audio coming out of your GPU is digital, which means it needs to be converted before you can listen to it
motherboard audio is analog which is the type of audio you can hear.

so its not really fair comparing them. you could have the gpu audio going to a $5 converter and it will sound terrible or you can send it to a $5000 converter and it will sound much much better

[shadow stag]

right

well so its up to the display/receiver to convert it back to analog making it not gpu dependant?

[lean grove]

yes. but i would bet good money that the converter in your display is probably worse than the converter in your motherboard

[shadow stag]

well i did buy a top of the line motherboard back then

i guess its still inferior than an audio interface or dedicated dac

[lean grove]

i have no reason to believe that will change the quality of the audio coming out of it

[shadow stag]

it uses gold plated connectors and a section in the motherboard dedicated to audio

probably makes a difference?

it also has x-fi mb3

im happy to be cleared up on misconceptions/misunderstandings of this stuff

[lean grove]

gold plated connectors are the industry standard. if it didnt have gold plated connectors then its unbelievably cheap

[shadow stag]

a fairly good entry level b650 motherboard doesnt have the gold plated audio connectors

no way around finding good motherboard audio it seems

[lean grove]

then that tells you how much motherboard manufacturers care about audio quality. its not even a penny's worth of gold being deposited on the connectors

im not gonna say that there's no motherboard that has a good audio solution. there might be one or two for all i know

but anyone that cares about audio is moving it to a dedicated device so they have no reason to actually put any real amount of effort into it

[shadow stag]

will there be a motherboard without onboard audio in the future?

[tender frost]

DT 880 pro 250 ohm on an apple dongle would be fine, yeah?

[lean grove]

yeah probably. wont be able to get insanely loud but it will definitely be usable.

[lean grove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_port

[shadow stag]

is there a cheap but decent audio device i can use with the computer?

what has the ps/2 port to do with audio?

[lean grove]

these ports haven't been relevent for 99% of people for the last decade but you still find them on modern motherboards

[shadow stag]

yeah, not all motherboards have it through

most dont

[tender frost]

Wonderful

[lean grove]

no. but some do. and i dont think ive ever seen a ps2 port been used

the point is, there will always be onboard audio on motherboards

[shadow stag]

those that do usually have one dual ps/2 port instead of two separate ones

[lean grove]

if this thing can survive for this long, analog audio will too

[shadow stag]

unlike audio, ps/2 is not widely included

anyways i got your point

thanks for the responses

[lean grove]

any dongle that uses a cx31993 chip, apple usb type c headphone adapter, or if you want to go to the high end of "cheap" therees the fosi ds1

i have a fosi ds1 that i use for my phone and its pretty good.

[shadow stag]

i have the apple headphone adapter for lighting instead

how i would find dongles that specifically use that chip? how widespread is it?

[lean grove]

most that have the chip will put it in their title

so just google "cx31993 dongle" and you'll get dozens of options

[shadow stag]

alright thanks

will check in the local market

[shadow stag]

not in mercadolibre unfortunately

[lean grove]

try amazon, ebay, or ali express

[shadow stag]

not easy to get things shipped from there to argentina unfortunately

or costs are prohibitive

[lean grove]

idk how to help with that then

apple dongle is gonna be your best bet

[shadow stag]

its fine, thanks

[haughty girder]

So what you've just demonstrated to me is you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about

How often are you maxxing out your gain?

[steel escarp]

I have no clue what I am talking about

but I do not understand why an interface would have treble roloff

[haughty girder]

Motu m2 has an advantage at max gain yes, very little rolloff while Volt line (and most preamps actually) do

Except again, how often are you actually maxxing out your gain

this is what happens when you don't.

If you're at home and maxxing the gain
a) You're using a mic that already rolls off or doesn't even extend to the frequencies that it does
b) You're trolling

This is on top of different testing methods that Julian Krause have used throughout the years

[haughty girder]

Of course you don't, that much is obvious

[balmy shore]

Looking for some microphone suggestions. Background is that I have a PC at my girlfriend's place I play on sometimes. It's becoming extremely annoying to transport my audio interface, arm, and microphone with each trip (especially the reset up each time ) any suggestions? Considered picking up a modmic to just use with my HD 6XX. However I'm also open to headsets

Also considering if it's worth just duplicating my setup, currently using an mxl770

[tough lava]

All headset mics are garbage

I mean, they will work, but if you're currently transporting a whole ass audio setup, it won't even be close to comparable

A random USB mic will be better.

[balmy shore]

I don't need it to be particularly amazing. Just some friends chatting with. Which USB mics would you recommend?

[tough lava]

I have a neewer nw-8000 that's perfectly cromulent, there is a raft of modestly priced reasonable USB mics out there.

[haughty girder]

There's a couple decent ones, like those on the PC37/38x

[wheat moss]

modmic is a good choice... could also just buy a PC37(or 8)X and leave it there

[haughty girder]

Probably not worth duplicating, you could grab a PC38x that has similar tuning to the HD600 if you just need somemthing to work. Alternatively, you could consider grabbing a cheap lav mic off amazon or aliexpress and it'd do fine

the only modmic worth getting is the modmic wireless, and even then I hesitate to recommend it as the capsules they use are mediocre...

[molten lotus]

Ifi go link + HD560S or ie300?

[lean grove]

you want to use the 560s with some tws adapters?

oh mb thats the wrong one

i mean. do you want headphones or iems

[molten lotus]

I would rather some IEMs

[lean grove]

then get the ie300s

[molten lotus]

I thought the HD560s is ez to play lol

[lean grove]

yeah it is

for some reason i thought of t his https://ifi-audio.com/products/go-pod/

the "go pod" not the "go link"

and i just thought "how is he gonna hook these up to the 560s?"

[clear sedge]

Finished my box

[haughty girder]

IE200 > 300

ie in general is kinda not very good

IE200 is comfy and decent enough, stock cable and tips suck though

the rest are all bad up to about the ie600

[molten lotus]

IE 600 is going to burn my wallet tbh 🙃 😭

[tough lava]

eyyy very nice

[real wasp]

i noticed that my 770s have a lot less base on the right side than on the left, is that a sign to replace the driver?

[lean grove]

might just be shoddy quality control. drivers shouldnt need replacing.

how they fit on your head can also heavily impact the bass

[real wasp]

i wore them the wrong way and tried mono, same result

[lean grove]

then its just a case of bad driver matching

happens occasionally. idk if theres an easy way to fix other than emailing beyerdynamic and hoping the warranty replaces it

[real wasp]

i dont remember it being like this before, my cable broke today and i quickly resoldered it until the new cable arrives and ever since i noticed it...dont think i have warranty on it after that long i have them already

[lean grove]

oh rip. yeah idk then

[real wasp]

well...you can get driver replacements? aint that a good option?

[lean grove]

you can i think. ive seen people replace the drivers for fixing them

but its more than the drivers that contributes to bass

is it the same cup that has the cable on it that has more bass?

[real wasp]

yeah the one without cable has less

[lean grove]

okay. new theory.
you didnt seal the cable hole correctly or you accidentally added some sort of vent

which would definitely affect the bass

[real wasp]

yeah since that cable bendy thingi aint there cause i had to shorten it a bit that might be the case but honestly i like it more that way xD (the sound i mean on the left)

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/drill-unclebuck-johncandy-driller-gif-5719413

[real wasp]

xD

[lean grove]

you can easily add another vent to the other side

[real wasp]

oh yeah totally, put my thumb up that hole and its such a drastic change

[lean grove]

well. when you resolder the new cable on make sure the hole is sufficiently plugged

temporarily you can add some tape or osmething

[real wasp]

yeah for sure since this fills it out completely

[balmy shore]

Yeah the lav mic option is definitely something I was considering. I'll definitely look into the pc38x. Main consideration for duplicating is if I was gonna spend $150 something on a headset, why not spend just a bit more and duplicate what I have, and only transfer my hd6xx back and forth

[elder thistle]

but it seems like a waste to get another headphone if you just need the mic

OH my god that modmic is 140 bucks

could you just bring along a usb desk mic?

[balmy shore]

Definitely not opposed! Mainly just looking for options that don't sound like complete dog shit. Bonus points for anything that can be attached with a 1/4 thread

[elder thistle]

they're generally only usb and nothing else

[unborn gale]

wtf $140

I thought they were like $30-40

maybe that was for the their first one

[elder thistle]

the thing I posted is a $200 combo

the whoal headphone and v-moda boompro

[unborn gale]

oh

[elder thistle]

boompro sounds better than the modmic anyways

[unborn gale]

yeah those headphones look like shit

[balmy shore]

Well yes I've seen a ton of them that use USB as a data/power connection but has a 1/4 threading on it for arm attachment

One of those would be ideal just due to how jank the setup is lol

[elder thistle]

oh threading

uh,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B3FZC8S

I don't know much about the different microphones, the razer sirien mini might have that on the bottom

that one I linked can interface with something through the shockmount, but you'd have to already have the 1/4" part

[tough lava]

that is what the NW8000 is

Basically a shitty USB desk mic is going to almost always be far better than a headset

[elder thistle]

what about now

[unborn gale]

the headband is still garbage

like the majority of headphones

though I guess if everyone does it like that, it's fine?

but having a grill does make it much better

or I guess not having that massive logo there

[elder thistle]

drivur

the headband stretches out to be more square than arched when worn

which is bad if your head is pointy

or uh, just generally experience a pressure point there with some headphones

[unborn gale]

I just experience discomfort.

Don't think I've used any non suspension band headphone that didn't feel like a rock on my head. Except the Shure SRH1540

But that thing is literally designed to rip your hair out so that just invalidates it in the first place

and is also built like a joke

[elder thistle]

I didn't like the plastic clips on the srh1540

[unborn gale]

I don't either

[elder thistle]

found them amazingly comfortable though

I had more hair issues with the hd600 I think

[unborn gale]

Yeah they're comfortable and sound good. That sounds amazing until you find out that they're built like crap

It's hilarious that when I went to Japan, there was a store selling a bunch of higher end headphones. It was ONLY the SRH1540 that the thing looked like it was falling apart.

Headband peeling and everything

[elder thistle]

woa

[unborn gale]

But anyways, I will never buy a Shure headphone ever again. Pretty sure their other lower end headphones are built just as badly.

I think the SRH840 and similar variants like to snap in half or something

[elder thistle]

I didn't have that much concern with the 1540's build quality other than the clips, but I didn't have them for more than 2 years

the srh440 and 80 snapping near the hinges is legendary

[unborn gale]

I used them for around 1-2 years. Forgot how long

[elder thistle]

it makes the ksc75 look durable and the nth100 seem like the brackets are fine

they did a LOT better with the A-revisions

[unborn gale]

ksc75 is so lightweight I don't think they even take damage from falling to the ground due to air resistance.

[elder thistle]

but soldering/cable

also you are about to witness the true power of street knowledge https://www.audiophileon.com/news/status-audio-ob-1-review/

[unborn gale]

I build my own headphones.

I don't care how good a headphone is if it's like putting on a torture device.

Comfort and build quality opinion
Audeze LCD headphones = sound amazing, neck strain
Heddphone = (the first one), the shittiest headband you can find on the market
Shure = shitty build quality go brrrr
Sennheiser = I don't like how they sound
Hifiman = I honestly don't have a problem with them? Haven't tried that many either
Beyerdynamic = I don't care for them. Comfort is only ok.
Meze = Probably my favorite brand.

hmm this is probably a controversal list of opinions

[alpine musk]

Hi, I got recommended Audeze Maxwell (350€) and MM-100 (435€).
The MM-100 should last longer/forever in comparison to Maxwell, right?

It is supposed to be for movies, music and PC gaming (as I am unhappy with my PC38X)

Or did something competitive came out in this price category recently?

[elder thistle]

what did you not like about the pc38x

[alpine musk]

The volume knob is dying. I can fix it, but it left me with bad taste in my mouth. Senni-boy is just a label it seems.
Bass is non-existent basically. I know they are open-back, but at least a bit of a punch?

[elder thistle]

also I mean yes, the mm100 is less parts / just a standard planar headphone

[alpine musk]

And the plastic creek if it so happens that I need to eat while doing something.

[elder thistle]

unless the mm100 is more fragile for some reason

[nova wagon]

Volume knob dying is common with the PC x series.
And tbh, the builds do seem less solid than say hd600

[alpine musk]

I know that planar is still a bit of a new tech - if it's overpriced because the tech sstill isn't there or what

[alpine musk]

I expect it for the price, but was hoping that caring for them and not using the knob would prevent it.

[elder thistle]

planars have been around since the 70's

the diaphragms could be damaged by strong wind apparently

electrostatic headphones are the most vulnerable/fragile

[alpine musk]

https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-yellow-gaming-headset/reviews/2944727

[alpine musk]

[elder thistle]

and I know hifiman has qc issues with their planar drivers coming dead or dying really fast

not always, but it's a known issue

audeze is more solid I think

[alpine musk]

Yea, they wont leave my home

[elder thistle]

lol my pc38x has the same issue too

[alpine musk]

oh...so they are more susceptible to dying than common headphones

[alpine musk]

You can open them and solder two or three pins together - bypassing the volume knob.

[elder thistle]

ye it's on the to-do list

I can get it to work by fiddling with the cable for now

[alpine musk]

It's on my as well since October 😄

[elder thistle]

I don't have firsthand experience with planars except the hifiman he400se

[alpine musk]

So nothing "better" than the MM-100 came out? I asked about them like in October or November and they came out in January this year.

[elder thistle]

depends what you define has better. I take it you aren't interested in using eq for the bass?

or do you mean the quality of the bass was not good in some way

[alpine musk]

I am. I tried it on my PC38X and didn't find much improvement when taking clarity into account

I was hoping that the MM-100 could have more pronounced bass thanks to their build quality.

[elder thistle]

planars seem to have some interesting advantages and disadvantages when it comes to bass

I don't understand it all that well. I don't think the he400se bass was detailed, but it felt clear and snappy

[alpine musk]

[elder thistle]

hard to explain, but the textures of bass were kinda ignored?

[alpine musk]

For a weird comparison I am happy with my TRUTHEAR x Crinacle ZERO: RED

[alpine musk]

Interesting. I will try my best to find a shop that would let me test few cans out

[elder thistle]

that would be optimal yes

as far as headphones I actually have and enjoy bass on...

[alpine musk]

That's when I realized I need an upgrade as I want to use them more than over-ear, even though the REDs are uncomfortable for longer sessions (using three-prong eartips)

[elder thistle]

neumann ndh20 has somewhat boosted bass and the tone is a little off from neutral, but it's all pretty clear and sounds can be dynamic like a sennheiser hd600/6xx/650 would. snare drums or bass guitars can suddenly have this sense of power when they jump in that's more than the product of their tone

but the main reason for having those imo is to have a dynamic headphone that also has incredible instrument separation

sounds are not drown out by eachother or degraded in detail. also planars are very good at this

[alpine musk]

Neumann that's a name of a good quirky friend

Oh, they are metal. i just wanted to say they look plastic AF

Damn, so Senni clarity, but without their "crap" bass

[elder thistle]

sennheiser hd6xx or hd6x0 series headphones in general are pretty close to the neumann without their remarkable instrument separation, but the midrange and the tone overall is very neutral and abides to how instruments sound in real life

they do have more soundstage

but the bass is a big step up from both the hd560s or pc38x imo. even if it's quieter, it's tighter and more detailed. it doesn't slop around or just exist as an afterthought

the mackie mc450 is my current go-to for bass, along the same irony as the hd6xx where there's not as much bass without eq

[alpine musk]

fck, I found unopened Neumann NDH 20 for the same price as the MM-100

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

[elder thistle]

to be fair I have no idea what the mm100 sounds like. I can only speculate it'd be much wider in soundstage and have tighter dynamics

[alpine musk]

Yeah, until there is bass...that is not lifelike. Just curois...isnt there a true flat headphones. Shouldnt flat curve mean most accurate sound?

[alpine musk]

ooo, cheap

[alpine musk]

I remember someone saying that it's like their previous 2x priced cans, but...well cheaper

[elder thistle]

headphones can sound flat, but it doesn't mean they're "accurate"

I guess what I mean is neutrality/flat is one part of what makes something accurate

[alpine musk]

Then there comes the clarify, seperation etc...

[elder thistle]

yes

I don't think there's a model though for what accurate looks like when it comes to those aspects

or accepted standard

high end monitor speakers in a treated room is probably a good start at least

[alpine musk]

Thanks to the Turthears I learned about Harman Target curve

But if I reckon that curve was done from only like 100 people sample 😕

[warm scarab]

like most things

but lets be real

planars from back then

fucking sucked

[elder thistle]

there's standards for tonality yes

[warm scarab]

hifiman and audeze made the planar market into what it is currently

[alpine musk]

heh...I use crappy 100€ 2.1, cuz it was a gift and I would feel bad to replace them so fast. And good monitors take A LOT more space

[warm scarab]

no its just their testing methods are dumb

in the only test conducted by harman that had an actual half decent headphone

the sub bass bump was the lowest in all of harman over ear targets

[elder thistle]

the standards for tonality with headphones and what "flat" looks like on headphones is an inexact science that's constantly shifting by some amount

[warm scarab]

its almost like when you give people decent fucking headphones to listen to they don't want 10db sub bass

anyhow

what was the original question tomini

[elder thistle]

harman was supposed to be pretty close to flat in most cases (not that they aimed for it, but people gravitate towards neutral-esque)

[alpine musk]

If MM-100 should be my go-tos

Or something came out in the last few months that surpasses them in price/quality ratio

[warm scarab]

that isn't true

it was always a preference curve

and a mix of "neutral" ig

[alpine musk]

I mentioned being more happy with my Truthear REDs even though they can be uncomfortable to wear in longer sessions.

[warm scarab]

most of their results lead to basically minor v shapes

[warm scarab]

these are the beyers right

[alpine musk]

Which is known that majority of people love V curves.

[alpine musk]

Audeze

[warm scarab]

when you give them bad headphones yes

because having present mids makes shit congested af on cheap drivers

[warm scarab]

honestly

it became really recently available

I don't have hands on experience nor any viable sources for this

but the market standard right now for 300-500$ is edition xs

let me ask if anyone i know listened to these

[elder thistle]

market standard

[warm scarab]

it is the price/performance headphone with a basically complete monopoly of the price point

until the mm-100 came out

which we don't really know about

sundara compared to xs sucks

ananda stealth is alright but way more expensive

[alpine musk]

I know the Edition XS by their design. Must have seen it couple of times

[warm scarab]

I don't propoe its a better headphone than mm-100 but its a safer purchase for the time being

and you really want an amp with the xs

[alpine musk]

Holdup Edition XS for 216€

[warm scarab]

yep

b stock and open box prices on xs is like

fucking mad rn

[alpine musk]

B stock? I thought B-stock are imperfect units.

Yesterday I sold my PS3 for 315€, so I am seriously considering it

...and HE400SE?

[slim mason]

B stock means customer returns

[warm scarab]

xs is in a completely different league than 400se

not even a competition

[warm scarab]

chill is a guy that gave advice for several years

[alpine musk]

They might have meant it like "this guy wont hear the difference, might as well save him some bucks"

[warm scarab]

while not owning or listening to any of the headphones he commented on

and after all of those years

he bought a 400se and zen dac

I know him from audio hub when that server was still a thing

[alpine musk]

I mean it still si a thing

[warm scarab]

dead server

[alpine musk]

I did some digging and found posts about Edition XS buzzing

Then found this:

[elder thistle]

edition xs would not be a true-to-form attempt at getting something more durable and less prone to issues than pc38x, based on the high number of these reported issues

[alpine musk]

damn, welp... The 216€ was tempting, but if it means it will die after warranty... rather not

...and I guess this wont be a fix like PC38X where you just solder few pins

[worn prawn]

how much better do a full 5.1 soround sound system sound vs a sound bar with rear speark that low end

vizio and where shuld i put my speaker for the new set up

it the bigger tv we are using

[muted mural]

My monitor is the aorus fv43u and has a usb c port can I use my focal bathys with my monitor using dac mode?

[night plume]

Looks like the USB-C port on my Shanling UP4 is already shot

and I haven't had it but a few months now

October 1st last year was when it came in

Ontop of that the battery is already shot as well

so it needs to stay plugged into a bttery bank of some sort if I want to use it for any length of time otherwise 5 mins later and its off

[lean grove]

Try it and see what happens

[turbid grove]

Hi, can you recommend a good monitoring audio system for under $300?

I recently got an Audeze Maxwell and since then I can't listen to my typical Stereo speakers, they just don't give me all the details.

it there any comparable stereo speaker that can be as good as Audeze Maxwell in audio delivery?

BTW I have multiple sound cards, so $300 only for speakers

[unborn gale]

multiple sound cards? why

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/hOkMVbW7Yts

[plush anchor]

Should I buy the Samsung Q70C 65" or the Sony XR65A75L 65" to work with my 11.2 surround sound Marantz SR7009 system

[elder thistle]

can we kill off the ilouds yet

damn things still go for $300 and are more than a decade old

no wait

8 years old

this guy's hype seems misdirected

I don't doubt they're nice speakers but he just complained about the presonuses which are 3 times less expensive

and then seemed very excited about the switches on the back

garbage

guys I have never been so excited in my life

[lean grove]

whats wrong with the ilouds

[elder thistle]

well they're not flawless as-is, mainly I don't like the turbulence in the bass port at certain frequencies

they're using components that offer the same kind of staging, resolution, inst. separation, dynamics etc. as some of the $100 speakers

and the use of eq and dsp in recent small speakers (like those kalis) keeps closing up the problem more and more that ilouds solved and were able to crown themselves and stay at 300 bucks

it is also possible to take many of these 3" speakers, replace the bass port, and add some eq to hit 55hz like the ilouds do

I did that with my presonuses

I believe iloud's days are very numbered

[lean grove]

its main selling point, i think, its the size

there isnt really a speaker thats as flat as it is while being as small

[elder thistle]

yes

but it's not magic either

bose has been doing it for a long time with their bluetooth speakers, and we now live in an age where consumer speakers are packed to the brim with adaptive eq

and low end extension

how long will it be until a random company throws one of these commonplace chips into 3.5" speakers

[lean grove]

No it shits the bed when it gets pushed to high volumes. But at a desk that won't happen all that often.

[elder thistle]

there was a point in time where I had a lead acid battery, power inverter, and the two ilouds + power brick all duct taped together

and my sister and I would walk 1 1/4 miles and back to the convenience store while blasting music

but yes we had to keep it at a volume that wouldn't trip the red light

the drivers in those things are still probably more specialized for that tiny enclosure and bass extension compared to a bog standard 3.5" woofer

[onyx perch]

DTS:X or Dolby Atmos

[elder thistle]

aaatmos

[onyx perch]

k ty

[alpine musk]

...can I get like velvet earpads fror the Audeze MM-100?
Even though I like my bass, I went with openback again, because the PC38X never made my hear sweat.

Sadly the MM-100 have leather earpads.
Only thing I found for them was a freaking Leather Care Kit on the official Audeze site
https://www.audeze.com/collections/accessories/products/lcd-leather-care-kit

[fair pawn]

wait that is a thing

[alpine musk]

@warm scarab @elder thistle

[fair pawn]

welp time to actually buy snake oil for headphone

[alpine musk]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-mask-off-you-the-real-mvp-there-is-an-idea-of-a-patrick-bateman-gif-24785182

Dont forget the skin exfoliator

[fair pawn]

to ensure the best longetivity

for the earpads