audio-tech

[haughty moon]

Is that chip better than the cx 31993?

[haughty girder]

something like this and have external power input?

[haughty girder]

no, but it's fairly comparable

[steady solar]

how would that connect to the usb that goes to the tablet?

[haughty girder]

with another type C cable?

5686 plugs into that breakout board permanently

you wire some sort of input power jack be it two pin or whatever

then you put another female (or male acc) board on the other end with data wired

it's actually kinda scuffed since quick charge won't be able to discuss power, so it'll be limited to anywhere between 5v 0.5a to 2a

but in my experience, android also can't detect audio devices plugged into usb hubs (I tried with a powered usb hub)

wait what tablet is this

does it not have a 3.5mm output

[steady solar]

are you effectivly saying solder up one of these?

then plug the dac in?

[haughty girder]

Sort of

[steady solar]

i mean is there a way to do it all solderd

[haughty girder]

is that thing power in on one side, dongle in the other?

[haughty girder]

I don't believe so

not with any decent dac anyway

[steady solar]

haven't fully decided, but i think one of theses https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tibuta-Android-Expandable-Octa-Core-7000mAh/dp/B0C98HN38Q

[haughty girder]

uh

[steady solar]

‎MediaTek MT8183 - not too bad for the price

[haughty girder]

try out the built in headphone jack first

pair of headphones or iems or something

if it's not too noisy then it'll do

since you're using it as a dac, its output impedance pretty much doesn't matter

[steady solar]

how do they both compare to the sort you'd expect to find in a pre-made cable? (rca to usb)

[haughty girder]

rca to usb cable doesn't exist with any decent chip

[steady solar]

i want it to be one cable to the tablet

[haughty girder]

what you'd be looking at would be stuff like this

an actual dac

not a dongle

[steady solar]

so making one is best bet. 🤔 it is tempting to make the whole thing

[haughty girder]

it'll be really scuffed

Android afaik can only handle one device on the type C port at once

for data

ie. if you use a dac, it can't communicate with charger

unless you have some sort of magical usb dock

that stuff idk how it works

like it has a multiplexer built into the dock and dac wired directly to the mux and it works still?

[steady solar]

yeah i got one of these. it is sketch as hell. just don't connect a 5v device while a 9v device is charging 💀

[haughty girder]

Does it have data passthrough?

only to one side right

[steady solar]

both

[haughty girder]

interesting.

[steady solar]

just 3 way split lol

[haughty girder]

no

if both work

[steady solar]

no

[haughty girder]

it has a switch in it

[steady solar]

they dont

[haughty girder]

Oh

[steady solar]

i mean the data wires go to both sides

[haughty girder]

yea

if data wires go to both sides and can detect devices on both sides

[steady solar]

i havn't tried connecting two usb client devices

[haughty girder]

that means there's a switch built into it

mm

give it a shot

like a usb drive and a dongle or something

it shouldn't work if it doesn't have a switch built into it

and if it does, usb won't be able to recognize a dac plugged into it

[steady solar]

it won't. but i'll try it

[steady solar]

werid....

[steady solar]

Audio and charging

Audio

No audio

[haughty girder]

ok yea

170ma means it's probably stuck at .5a

[steady solar]

But that usbc-3.5mm isn't audio over usb

[haughty girder]

it is

[steady solar]

it works with a pc

[haughty girder]

that's exactly what it is

[steady solar]

unless it can do both

[haughty girder]

it's just a dongle where the dongle is big

just think of it as a dongle with a replaceable cable

[steady solar]

? im talkig about the whit one

[steady solar]

this

[haughty girder]

Ohhh

Ahhhh

wait that makes a lot more sense

[steady solar]

what is?

[haughty girder]

they're both usb compliant audio devices

but the dongle uses a slightly diff protocol

where it actually matters whether something is plugged in or not

I actually don't remember if ALC5686 does the device detection that other dongles do or not

CX31993 won't work for sure

[steady solar]

is the black one the one you're calling the dongle?

[haughty girder]

nono

the white

the black is just a dac/amp combo

I'll just call it a dac

[steady solar]

the dongle uses a slightly diff protocol where it actually matters whether something is plugged in or not
isn't it the other way around... the dac cares but the dongle doesn't care and just carries on

[haughty girder]

dongle is the white one

dac is the black one

black will output regardless of whether there's headphones plugged in or not

white will deactivate itself if no headphones are connected

cx31993 is weird where it behaves like black

[steady solar]

what difference does the 3.5mm side make, it was the same in all 3 tests

the only difference was the charge lead plugged in or not

Surly the problem is on the usb side of the setup

[steady solar]

Oh, im wrong it might be.

[steady solar]

I don't think the dongle is.

i think my headphone might be both usb dac and usbc-audio

but the dongle i think might just be usbc-audio

if i connect the dongle to a usb it doesn't enumurate as a dac

if i connect my headphones they do

and my headphones also work with the phone connected to power ( i assume in usbc-audio mode)

[steady solar]

hm, even more different behavior if i switch the dac to 1.0 mode from 2.0 mode 🤔

[steady solar]

I just checked with a multimeater... the dongle is in usbc-audio mode ("Audio Accessory Mode"). There isn't any voltage on Vcc

how TF do these work... 20v PD and 5V USB 🤨

[ionic vessel]

anyone know any good headsets with mic
for around £50- 60

[steel escarp]

Good, no

Functional, maybe

[tawdry ruin]

i mean if they were to get used.. it may sound great

[untold stirrup]

Alright, kind of a dumb question since I'm new at this. Can I control a mixer from another mixer? I'm asking this since my school is being a piece of work and they wouldn't give me access to the operator room, I was thinking of controlling the sound from another mixer outside of that room. Would it also affect anything if I do this?

(Also don't wanna pay the sound man fees at my school since they're expensive as heck. :/)

[merry hollow]

why dont you use the unreachable mixer as just a pass trough and mix everything in your mixer?

[ionic vessel]

i need a good headset with mic anyone know of one for around £50

[shrewd raptor]

Hello I could really use some help on this. I use an xair 18 to do music and microphones at events. I also live stream these events. I want to send music to the xair over USB, but not have that music come into OBS on my live stream. I had this configured but my settings got changes, and im a big dummy and didnt save them

[haughty girder]

are you using an iPad or Laptop

[frozen hatch]

simple question, need simple answer cuz im getting overwhelmed

Logitech G Pro X or Logitech G432 (mostly going to use it for gaming in competitive games where having the better headphones matters a LOT, for example rainbow 6)

[livid ruin]

i’d just get a mic and headphones tbh if you can…

if nah, then get the g432’s

[frozen hatch]

i need to decide on what to get within the next 1 hour and 9 minutes, as the site where i buy it from has next day delivery as long as i order before midnight, and i dont want to wait another day

i did a clean windows install and my speaker audio got demolished, for some reason only 50% as loud as it should be and its unfixable it appears so imma just get a headset

[livid ruin]

mmm? ru sure it was clean install and not just factory reset

not the same thing

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab wtf is this

300 euro

dynamic

we have to get someone to buy this

[frozen hatch]

my windows got corrupted

had to create a installation media usb

then i completely wiped the C drive, not a single file left and clean installed windows on it

[warm scarab]

tf

looks super well built too

[steel escarp]

yeah

reviews are positive too

[frozen hatch]

do you guys know a lot about headphones?

[warm scarab]

id like to think so

whats up

[steel escarp]

I have heard most headphones that matter

[frozen hatch]

^

i know absolutely nothing about headphones and i rlly need someone who knows their stuff to give me guidance

[warm scarab]

neither of those options are good for competitive gaming

or are good headphones in general

[frozen hatch]

give me a good recommendation

[warm scarab]

budget?

[steel escarp]

what is your

yes

[frozen hatch]

not too much preferably, I've never really used headphones before

[warm scarab]

well we need a number

[frozen hatch]

and by never i really mean never, this is the first time im going to spend money on some

[steel escarp]

ideally it would be the last time as well

as in a headphone that lasts long

[frozen hatch]

is like 150-200$ a good number?

[warm scarab]

yea pretty alright

dt880 250ohm

you can also get an r70x second hand for that much

[frozen hatch]

beyerdynamics?

[steel escarp]

klaus I stopped using dt880

[warm scarab]

but its good for small ears mostly

[warm scarab]

yes

[warm scarab]

good

[steel escarp]

the pain they give my ears is not worth it

[warm scarab]

get new pads

[steel escarp]

also compared to my flagship hifiman he1000v2 stealth the vocals are tiny

[warm scarab]

oh really

I could have like

never thought of that

[frozen hatch]

is there any good surround sound technology in those or something

[warm scarab]

surround technology is a meme

[frozen hatch]

in the games i like to play it absolutely matters that you know where the sound came from

[warm scarab]

unless you are using speakers

[steel escarp]

okay I will try to clear up some misconceptions you have

[warm scarab]

in which case you need like 5-7 of them

[frozen hatch]

yea i am lmao thats why im trying to get a headset

[steel escarp]

how we percieve directionality is based on which frequencies in sound are boosted

[frozen hatch]

or headphones and mic setup

[warm scarab]

no it isn't grey

stfu you are misleading him further

[steel escarp]

most games have an engine build in that makes sound directional

it literally doesn't make sense to install additional software to try to amplify what the game engine does

[frozen hatch]

oh

[warm scarab]

last part true

[frozen hatch]

thats interesting then

[warm scarab]

first part half true

group delay is the property of a headphone that allows for directionality

[steel escarp]

what does give you an edge in hearing directionality is if the headphones can properly reproduce the sound the game is trying to make

directionality of sound will automatically get better with better drivers in a headphone

[frozen hatch]

and i suppose the DT880 250 Ohm headphones do that well?

[warm scarab]

yeah

[steel escarp]

they are okay

[warm scarab]

I don't think there are headphones with better imaging below 200

apart from second hand r70x

[steel escarp]

klaus tbh dt880 has so much dampening that it affects imaging

[frozen hatch]

im not rlly an audio guy, the only thing i use other than speakers are airpods

[warm scarab]

grey you change your opinion every other day

[steel escarp]

my amp puts dt880 on steroids

so its slightly viable

[warm scarab]

the guy has a 200$ budget

[steel escarp]

okay

the solution is to spend 300

[frozen hatch]

u guys rlly love ur audio

[steel escarp]

I spent 1600 on headphones

[warm scarab]

no I hate it terrible hobby

[frozen hatch]

my friend irl is planning on buying some expensive speakers

i think around 600$

[steel escarp]

oh low end speakers

[warm scarab]

I thought that was expensive until I joined sonic visions

[frozen hatch]

yamaha hs8 i think idk

[steel escarp]

oh no

[warm scarab]

they were arguing which 30.000$ speaker was better

[frozen hatch]

2 or 3 of them

but i cant imagine spending that much

on speakers bruh

[steel escarp]

tell him to get the Kali Audio LP6 v2

[frozen hatch]

600$ for both*

[warm scarab]

I would but probably not yamahas

[steel escarp]

they are way better for the money

[warm scarab]

or the uh

sharur speakers

what were they

[steel escarp]

neumann kh 120

but those are really expensive

[warm scarab]

I thought they were also that much

[steel escarp]

@frozen hatch are you sensitive to treble

[frozen hatch]

idk what treble means

but i suppose im not

[warm scarab]

don't worry about it

[steel escarp]

like if you use airpods you probably never heard any treble

apple moment

(I own them as well, airpods pro)

[frozen hatch]

i got the 2022 pro ones if that changes anything but i dont suppose im sensitive to any kind of sound

[warm scarab]

literally don't worry about it

grey is overcomplicating things to a person who isn't a hobbyist

[steel escarp]

do you have big ears btw

as in on the larger side

@frozen hatch

[frozen hatch]

I'd say around 4-5 cm

or 6 idk

estimating off of myfingers 😭

idk what you guys consider large ears

[steel escarp]

measure it

I am being deadass here

[frozen hatch]

i dont have a ruler on hand to measure my ears 😂

stupid cat emojis

[steel escarp]

you got 65mm of space for your ears with the dt880

[tawdry ruin]

Is this synth still any good yoday (it was made in 1981)

[frozen hatch]

seems like my ears would fit 100%

[steel escarp]

wow casio makes keyboards as well? I have a casio watch

[frozen hatch]

i love watches

i got a tissot prx powermatic 80

[tawdry ruin]

yeah im not too sure they still make keyboards tho

[frozen hatch]

biggest mistake of my life but it looks nice on my wrist

[steel escarp]

seems like they do

https://www.casio.com/intl/electronic-musical-instruments/

[tawdry ruin]

i mean dont alot of schools still use casio keyboards?

[steel escarp]

I haven't been to school in a hot minute

[tawdry ruin]

every school ive ever been to used casio keyboards (8 different schools between two countries and 7 districts)

[steel escarp]

if it works why wouldn't it be any good

[tawdry ruin]

its not midi its RCA out

its older than the midi standard

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab I need a 300 euro mic

https://www.thomann.de/gb/warm_audio_wa_47jr.htm

should I

they have ones with tubes too

but you need a seperate power supply for it

[warm scarab]

you don't

i hate mics

shit investment

[steel escarp]

it just needs a good diaphragm

I can EQ

I need an excuse to buy an audio interface

[shrewd raptor]

I figured it out. Had to send USB returnes to a bux, and then mix the USB out of it on the BUS

[shadow stag]

should i bother with optical audio with analog?

realtek alc1155

plex for windows doesnt seem to downmix audio at all

[lean grove]

For what

[shadow stag]

unfortunately i have to use a old version

[shadow stag]

in general, for listening

would it be a good idea to send the optical output to a audio interface?

[haughty girder]

it's just that the apps are kinda scuffed for the Xair (I use it myself) but awesome

[shadow stag]

okay so i have a phillips sbp1100

unless i put a preamp in the chain which i dont have, the audio comes out very quietly

its a passive speaker

[shadow stag]

i have a strange windows freeze when i plug/unplug a speaker on my displayport audio jack

applications hang

[analog magnet]

hi guys, a few weeks ago my roomba ate my iem wires (shame ☹️) and I was looking at replacement wires and came across some bluetooth ones, so I was wondering if it’s worth it to get them or just use wired ones, mainly use them for gaming but if I could use bluetooth I’d start using them more regularly

[lean grove]

Bluetooth has a significant amount of latency, it might be pretty annoying or even unusable for some games

[analog magnet]

that’s also another point

But the only thing i use that has a 3.5mm is my pc

still don’t know if it’s worth getting Bluetooth

[clever raven]

Dad passed away recently and these are his speakers. Anything good for listening music from PC? He used these for karaoke and the technics for his vinyl player.

or are they too overkill for electronic music cuz thats the only thing im listening to rn

[broken slate]

So I currently have a M-Track solo and I am finding myself constantly having to unplug it and plug it back in for it to actually work. I don't know if I got a faulty interface but it just isn't working out anymore. Also if anyone has any recommendations for an interface + mic combo let me know. I currently have a condenser mic but it doesn't seem to be good for streaming as it picks up on every little noise.

[clever raven]

For the tiny JBL ones

[lean grove]

the closer you are to a speaker, the smaller you want it to be. so those massive ones in the first and fourth image might be too big for a desk. if you can get them maybe 6-8 feet away from your listening position that would be best, but that would probably mean your desk would have to be in the middle fo the room

[clever raven]

Right right

[lean grove]

so i would pair the speakers in the fifth image with one of the subs for the best desktop experience

[clever raven]

How would you do that since theyre all using white red/blue cables and not 3.5mm

i know 0 about this stuff

[lean grove]

there are a lot of tutorial online for this. its pretty simple. the cable colors dont matter as long as you're consistent in matching them with the red/black ports.

speakers are basically dead simple to hook up. bare electrical contact, make sure the cables arent touching eachother to make a short circuit

[clever raven]

which of the subs do you recommend

The jbl?

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

not sure. they both look fine

[clever raven]

Since the small speakers are JBL ig ill take JBL

[warm scarab]

you can use it for that yes

[clever raven]

I know but like which one would fit best for my usage and needs

[clever raven]

The small jbls have a sub built into them

i think thats what it is

This is the TLX150

do i still need a sub ?

[warm scarab]

no they don't

[clever raven]

https://i.imgur.com/r0b4IWW.png

[warm scarab]

yes that's what a woofer does

it literally says woofer

[clever raven]

do i still need a subwoofer ?

im only using it to listen to electronic music

[warm scarab]

need is a strong word but

you would benefit from one

your speakers can't make up for what a subwoofer provides

you can use them without one though

[clever raven]

cuz i can maybe grab this one

thats a sub right

[warm scarab]

yes

[clever raven]

how would i connect those to a PC?

do i need an amp ?

[warm scarab]

idk show the back

[clever raven]

it has 2 wires

[warm scarab]

needs an amp yeah

your dad had one though

[clever raven]

back of the sub

he probably does

[warm scarab]

no that's an active

[clever raven]

closer

[warm scarab]

you don't need an amp for it

but your dad does have an amp

[clever raven]

okay so no amp for sub

[warm scarab]

yeah

[clever raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1198539227651117136/IMG_4467.jpg?ex=65bf45a3&is=65acd0a3&hm=1f4345ebe9429b051867add0a9a54a3757f26b5e6801adb4ab00947769cbbde8&

how bout the speakers

[warm scarab]

its the gray box

[clever raven]

the one on the bottom ?

so do i connect all of them into the amp or just the speakers

oh i just noticed the sub doesnt have the mesh thingy on it

does it matter ?

[warm scarab]

so

I'll give you a tldr on how these things work alright

[clever raven]

yessir

[warm scarab]

A speaker can generally be categorized into two in terms of how it works, an active and a passive

an active has an amp in it, a passive relies on an amplifier like your dad's

the red and white cable ports you see are unamplified, they are called rca, they represent left/right channel, the stereo

and amplifier as you can guess, amplifies an audio signal in order to power speakers/subwoofers

you input to an amplifier via rca

and amplifier outputs through the speaker taps (except for when its an headphone amplifier)

speaker taps connect with bare wire, they don't have any sort of jacks

some amplifiers have passthroughs/pre outs/sub outs, this is relevant for connecting an active speakers/sub to an amplifier, in this context, your subwoofer is active so you can't connect it the speaker taps on the amplifier which are high in voltage to your subwoofer, so you need to seek an unamplified output of your amplifier

for example this is the backside of my amplifier

I would connect the audio output of my computer, to the rca inputs on the left side, and I would select what input the amplifier should use from a knob on the front panel

then I would connect the red/black speaker taps, to a speaker each

and then I would wire the black port where it says "sub" to my active subwoofer

[clever raven]

1 sec i can probably go take a pic of the 2 amps that my dad owns that one and the one he uses at his vinyl player station thats probably newer

[warm scarab]

they will be practically the same as this amp I sent you

only thing different will be the layout

eg where what ports are

[clever raven]

oh ok

[warm scarab]

one thing to be careful is, the "phono" input only receives turntable signals

don't connect anything not that there, it wont be damaging anything but it will sound like shit

[clever raven]

I guess line should be the correct one

[warm scarab]

which though

line in or line out

[clever raven]

The one on the left

[warm scarab]

I don't know the backside of your sub

the layout is different

[clever raven]

im looking rn

[warm scarab]

k

[clever raven]

i think the sub that the speakers are connected to might be dead

The thing hasnt played music since 2010

[warm scarab]

they are probably alright

[clever raven]

Kk lemme see

[warm scarab]

passive speakers don't really break unless they literally rot

even then you can refoam them and they work

and they would still make noise while rotting

[clever raven]

imma look for the other one since this amp is in a funky position

[warm scarab]

if he wasn't using the other one it may have been for a good reason

[clever raven]

the branding for it

Yeah this one hasnt been turned on for a while

[warm scarab]

its just the outside

as long as it works

amp don't break easily

[tawdry ruin]

my audio gear is from the late 90's early 2000's and still goin strong

[clever raven]

This is the one at his vinyl station

[warm scarab]

my speakers are from soviet era

[tawdry ruin]

damm, i mean if you take care of audio gear its still goes strong. i mean hell my synth is from before midi was a standard

[warm scarab]

yeah

[tawdry ruin]

yep 1981

[warm scarab]

at worst with speakers you replace some capacitors

you refoam speakers sometimes

they work

[tawdry ruin]

i know someone who's audio setup is held together with ductape and prayers

[clever raven]

damn

i cant find the amp on the internet

the grey box one

i can read that its pioneer's A-78C

but nothing popped up on google

[tawdry ruin]

huh

with more obscure stuff that happens alot ( happens to me all the time)

[clever raven]

ill ask a family member to help me set it up

[tawdry ruin]

thats always a good idea

[warm scarab]

@clever raven if your dad uses the gray one for karaoke and the black one for vinyl

the black one may be better

[clever raven]

the grey one was used for music only

ill probably grab the black one tbh

back of it

full front

tiny ass pics

right side

left side

this amp is being connected to the technic speakers

[warm scarab]

can you give a good shot of the back

[clever raven]

left side of back

right side

online pics cuz the amps are in a very hard to reach place

[warm scarab]

just plug the pc into tuner input

speaker wire into reds and blacks

doesn't seem like you have a port for subwoofer though

[molten lotus]

Can anyone here explained what ground loops are? Apparently they can be the cause of humming or buzzing through our speakers. I’ve been reading about them but I’m still confused

[lean grove]

Ground is zero volts. your electronics use that to make sure that when two electrical circuits interact they both agree that 12 volts is 12 volts. So what happens when you have two different grounds that don't agree what zero volts is? One thinks that the other ground is 0.1 volts. Or -0.5 volts.

Current flows between a voltage difference. So between the two devices that are interacting electronically, power can be flowing in tiny weird ways that it shouldn't be, because they should be agreeing but don't and that makes weird electrical noise.

To solve it, you connect the grounds of both devices. And now the grounds are both grounded to each other, making them both agree on what zero volts is.

It's like if you have an uneven floor, and you're trying to hang a painting by measuring how high off the ground the nail should be.

If the floor is crooked, the painting will be crooked.

[copper ermine]

Anyone know of some budget friendly(ish) small speakers I can use as rears

[wooden dust]

Hello Guys, im currently using a SM7B and considering to buy the RE20 microphone. Is/was anyone here using the RE20? Can you compare it to the SM7B? Can you recommend it?

Sorry if anything is not correctly english. Its not my first language.

please dm me.

[lean grove]

There are tons of videos comparing the two.

[wooden dust]

ik but i prefer talking to people that use them day to day. i also like to ask questions if i have some.

[lean grove]

idk what info you're gonna get that the 20-30 videos on the matter haven't already said

[warm scarab]

i don't like sm7b to begin with, don't think you can go worse

[supple robin]

ask in podcastage discord

or other related discords, those would be better

[crystal rampart]

any recommendations for a black wireless gaming headset without microphone that is still budget?

[lean grove]

audeze maxwell

[crystal rampart]

idk the price range on headsets but ig some between 50-100

[lean grove]

oh not audeze maxwell then

[crystal rampart]

lol ye

also

without a microphone

[lean grove]

you can remove mic from maxwell

[crystal rampart]

ah

ok just saw the mic

i need something affordable that doesnt cost as much as my pc lol

or half of my pc

[lean grove]

why not wired?

[crystal rampart]

so i can stand up

and walk

and hear

i had wireless headphones that were good

but they broke down

[crystal rampart]

is there a good wired option

just out if inteest

interesr

omg cant type

[lean grove]

uhh. akg k361 would be a good one. there's a lot of IEMs out there which fit the bill. something like truthear hexa genuinely competes with a lot of great stuff under $200

k361 has a removable cable or you can just get a 3.5mm extender for a long-ass cable

[crystal rampart]

ok, ill look at it. thanks

[supple robin]

you can probably also geta adapters that could turn them wireless via bluetooth

but that will add delay

[lean grove]

if he wants anything decent its gonna be above budget

[supple robin]

true

[lean grove]

but also. bluetooth for gaming is just not good.

at all

[supple robin]

unless they were to go for ksc75 or kiss or as you mentioned iems

[supple robin]

indeed

but good for vc and stuff

actually maybe not bluetooth headphones on windows can be crap

at least from past experience

[warm scarab]

absolutely not good for vc

[crystal rampart]

https://www.thomann.de/de/akg_k_361.htm?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnrOtBhDIARIsAFsSe53gsmD9DGnh4pKVpWdvlyFU5W-tQ7PgQN8KpKxpqzT_FNgk0H-O6tIaAobxEALw_wcB

this good?

[warm scarab]

have you ever heard how a bt headphone that does playback and recording at the same time sounds like

[lean grove]

yuh

[warm scarab]

yeah its pretty alright

[crystal rampart]

oke, thanks guys

[lean grove]

he's got an external mic. probably not gonna be transmitting VC

[elder thistle]

worst I've ever used for gaming

at least for anything above $50

doesnt mean you'll have the same experience or assess audio the same way

but here's why:

1: the stock tuning goes against the norm of boosting upper bass and treble. gaming headsets are commonly tuned like this, sacrificing realism in exchange for boosting footsteps and clip reloads and such. instead they are pretty midrange-centric. fortunately this can be fixed with free eq software, but many here will argue that a headphone shouldn't need eq.

2. the instrument separation was very low. meaning that when there was a bunch of sounds happening at once, they got blended together and became a low fidelity mess. what enemies were saying dialog-wise was masked by gunfire where it wouldn't be masked on another headphone, making it hard to understand at times. it was a huge problem in the midrange, but still a pretty bad problem in the treble. gunfire, bullet impacts, clip reloads, tappy part of footstep sounds, wind/trees, grenades hitting the ground. it was all hard to discern between after a certain threshold.

3. telling where a sound came from involved a lot of chance. a lot of audiophile and studio headphones seem to suffer with this, and it's a common strength of many gaming headsets which make it painfully obvious. often with headphones like an hd560s, dt770, hd600, srh440a etc. there's still a bit of a hint for whether a sound is in front of you vs behind you, and it requires more focus to get right, and more room for error. in the dt990 it was almost entirely gone. and in the k361 it was actually gone. I failed my blind testing constantly with no such pattern. I could only tell left, right, no particular distance, and blurred angle between left/right vs straight ahead (or backwards, but I wouldn't have known)

if you care about tonal realism and you're just listening to waterfalls and like 2 birds, sure, yes. I did like the sound of the k361 in such scenarios

I also found them pretty comfortable

[molten lotus]

Well written.

[elder thistle]

I don't really have any complaints about the build quality either as of yet. I know a lot of people mention that, but as far as I can tell it's more of a wireframe design made of the right materials to do so. I have seen some people have issues with the leather on the pads peeling off though. not on mine

[silent haven]

lofi take

[elder thistle]

perhaps

I mean it's fine (of course) to enjoy the sound of the k361 over something more revealing and technical like an hd600 perhaps. whether that's in games or in music, hearing all the details can be overwhelming and it can be preferable to have that glossed over.

just that if someone's looking for headphones with the purpose of leaning on audio information for competitive gaming, I think the k361 is an inappropriate kind of headphone for that task

[molten lotus]

I am using the elex rn for everything music gaming etc.

[haughty girder]

????

if your game supports some sort of hrtf "surround" then they work perfectly fine

if it doesn't... all headphones and iems will suck at it

Second... uhm

k361 are not mid focused

They may be tuned to an older harman target, but it's still very much harman

which means recessed mids, the 2013 Harman OE target its tuned to has a bit more lower treble, on top of k361 having a dip at about 10k which means that it can sound a little dull for certain voices, but certainly fine for gaming. It also has a peak at about 3k ish which lends itself slightly shouty at times

As for comfort: it's a bit of a mixed bag. The pads aren't thick enough for how they're supposed to fit on your head, and anyone with not tiny ears will have some issues with the antihelix touching the hard baffle

once you wear the pads in a bit OR attach a small piece of foam to the place where the ear touches the baffle though, it's pretty alright

I've been using them as a reference for a couple years now, build quality is pretty alright. The cable is slightly fraying and I will probably have to reuse the connector because the 2.5mm is proprietary locking one. (though I will attempt to use a hd599 plug) My earpads are cracking but that's to be expected of headphones that are approaching its 3rd year or use

the hinge screw does come loose and you will need to tighten it once in a while, but a dab of nail polish as a sort of glue will work just fine to hold it in place

[elder thistle]

they did a little better job with the k371 and making the mids more neutral

no, headphones image differently. and front/back is a seriously core part of that

and so do our perception of it across different headphones, but usually there's some common modes

the common modes consist of people who think the k361 does pretty bad at telling direction in most games, and people who claim all headphones work fine with hrtf surround sound

haven't seen much people inbetween

[haughty girder]

If you're trying to chase imaging and staging in a headphone you've got it all wrong

[haughty girder]

yea by going for a more v shaped version of harman

apparently

[warm scarab]

this is true but i still disagree that k361 images bad

[molten lotus]

Don't mind the schizo disco. Hifiman sundara with a mangi plus and an fx audio dac (rip old dac)

[broken tusk]

any good mic for under 100 sgd

im not very well versed in audio tech😔

[warm scarab]

tf is sgd

[broken tusk]

singapore dollar

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab I ordered the Aune AR5000 headphones to demo them and return them

Honestly these peaked my interest

I can already imagine the earpads being too small xD

We'll see

[lean grove]

Grey exploiting return policies is single handily increasing the price of audio equipment

[steel escarp]

Nah the guy I ordered from doesn't have free returns

It will cost me like 7 euros

[warm scarab]

that goes to shipping not the seller

[steel escarp]

Yes, but I don't care.

[steel escarp]

Do you know how crazy the margins are that these sellers make

[haughty girder]

yea, very low

low enough it's literally unsustainable if it was a real store

[supple robin]

yeah i ended up changing my mind

[lavish otter]

Any recommendations for chi-fi wireless buds? Pretty happy with my 7hz zero, for what they are. Not sure what to look at for wireless.

[lean grove]

Moondrop space travel are the latest

[lavish otter]

Thank you Nils

[haughty girder]

Space travel are really solid for their price

past that, I'd just recommend saving up for something like galaxy buds

[lavish otter]

Yeah, these are looking like what I was expecting for chi-fi stuff in the 25$ range. Pretty solid reviews all around for this bracket. Thanks again folks.

[blissful carbon]

My audio keeps dampening itself every time I talk and idk what's causing it, like once I mute my mic the audio stays the same and normal when as soon as I talk game sound, music, other people talking, youtube videos everything keeps turnt down to pretty much zero and idk what to do, Would someone be able to help me with this?

[lean grove]

Sounds like you have volume attenuation turn on in discord

It's a setting under voice and video on discord settings. Turn it to 0%

[tiny zealot]

Would it be better for me to get 80 ohm or 32 ohm headphones that are used for pc without an external audio interface

[lean grove]

The 80 ohm Beyers and 32 ohm Beyers will both work fine off motherboard power.

[tiny zealot]

250 ohm are strictly for an amp or dac right?

[warm scarab]

no

[tiny zealot]

No?

[warm scarab]

yeah why do you think that

[tiny zealot]

At least from what I've been told they require more power to run as well as at a higher quality which I would assume is achieved through an audio interface which I had been told in the past

[lean grove]

They require more voltage, not power.

Anyways, when I had the 250 ohm 880s there wasn't anything that I found that wasn't usable with them. And not for a lack of trying.

[warm scarab]

depends on the audio interface and the headphone

anything a motherboard can't drive well I wouldn't expect an audio interface to be able to do a lot better

[plush lake]

anyone tried the edifier 950nb? if you have whats your opinions on them.

[compact vault]

Hello everyone, im looking for an upgrade to my HD599s

They have seen better days the band is all flakey and the ear cups are just melting

[lean grove]

Do you have an idea of how much you wanna spend, what you liked about the 599s, and what you disliked about them?

[compact vault]

comfort is kinda annoying coz there is a little bump and it hurt my ears after a few hours of use

sounds is pretty good might need a little more bass and mids imo

but probably the best I have had for now

[steel escarp]

@compact vault get the aune ar5000

for 300 dollars

[compact vault]

not a thing in the UK

[steel escarp]

wow hd599 has no deep bass with a big bump in sub bass and no vocals

[steel escarp]

the headphones are pretty new I guess

[compact vault]

The bass isnt great

like I dont like a lot of bass but these feel pretty trashy

[steel escarp]

https://edenaudio.uk/on-head/246-298-aune-ar5000.html#/72-condition-brand_new_sealed_box

fist thing that popped up on google

[compact vault]

yeah I found the same store

after i said not a thing in the UK

is it cheap to buy parts for them?

[steel escarp]

I dont know the store

[compact vault]

like the ear cups for the HD5999 are like 25GBP

for a decent pair

[warm scarab]

yea not very good

[steel escarp]

The earpads of the headphone I linked seem pretty solid

[compact vault]

yeah ill keep these as an option

[steel escarp]

They have a thicker back side so it probably won't go flat

The measurements look amazing

And they are super easy to power

They require less power than some earbuds

[compact vault]

yeah im just using my HD599 with a dongle

Apple USB C one

[steel escarp]

That will power the aune headphones just right

[compact vault]

I was going to get a DAC and stuff but it just seems like a waste of money

[steel escarp]

I am getting a pair shipped to me tomorrow

[compact vault]

nice

[steel escarp]

People said it's better than hd650 and r70x

[compact vault]

I was considering getting airpods Max

coz they seem like a great all round pair

but the audio is a big trash so i might wait till the new ones come

[steel escarp]

The noise canceling those things have seem to have gotten worse over time through updates

[compact vault]

yeah I heard my airpods pro as still chuggin

[steel escarp]

Also they don't have a very exiting sound signature

[compact vault]

but the audio isnt good on them at all

Yeah i wanted the BOSE ultra ones

[steel escarp]

If you can wait till tomorrow I can tell you if you should get the ones I sent

[compact vault]

but the audio seems pretty poor

[steel escarp]

I haven't heard them yet, I am recommending them purely based of how good they measure

[compact vault]

Yeah no worries im just exploring my options

[lean grove]

What the heck is this

[steel escarp]

@lean grove

Look at graph

[compact vault]

Honestly reviews and irl are two different worlds

[steel escarp]

Build seems amazing too for the price

[steel escarp]

I listen to every headphone before recommending it usually

[lean grove]

Hd6xx is the standard recommendation.

[compact vault]

fair enough

[steel escarp]

This is better than hd6xx

[lean grove]

How so

[steel escarp]

Bigger stage and better bass

[compact vault]

I have tried the HD600 and they do sound great

[steel escarp]

The hd6xx I got were okay

Not worth it over dt880

[compact vault]

oh dam

I wanna try the HD660s

or whatever they call them

[steel escarp]

They are discontinued

HD660s2 is their new thing

[lean grove]

Interesting

[compact vault]

HD660S2

[steel escarp]

I heard it, it sounded quite detailed for a sennheiser

It wasn't like anything they ever made before in terms of sound

As in it sounds like they had a completely different philosophy when designing it

Still it wasn't impressive at all for the price

Everything sounded too narrow for my preferences. But big improvements for spatial positioning and separation

[steel escarp]

If its good it will flip the 300 euro market. It's their first attempt at a headphone too.

[lean grove]

Completely different engineer

Big if

[steel escarp]

I will find out tomorrow and report back

I already noticed a pair on zeos's desk during a review of a 17000 euro amp

[lean grove]

6xx still exists and has a pretty reliable build. The aune looks too pretty to be reliable.

[steel escarp]

The drivers are angled on the aune

From what everyone described so far it will image and layer like a fiio ft3 which has the same angle. And that headphone simply had amazing layering. The best I heard in any headphone.

But the frequency response will vary more based on how you wear it as a down side.

[lean grove]

How are you supposed to wear it

[unique wind]

mid

just get 6xx

[warm scarab]

Its a very good find

but then I remember like

grey found it

and like idk

[unique wind]

[lean grove]

People whose opinions I trust aren't super hyped about it so. Who knows. There might be a ton of problems that don't show up in for like Dan Clark headphones

Well, this is the first I've heard about it at least.

If it were a better 6xx I feel like grey would not have been the first to mention it to me.

[steel escarp]

This is a rare Grey w

Just let me have it alright

[lean grove]

You're calling the shots before they happen

It's doomed already

You'll only get a win when you least expect it

[woven sparrow]

Does anyone have any bone conductive headsets they would reccomend?

[molten lotus]

Decided I'm gonna for the lcd-x 🫠

what's the best ps5 headset?

Ik there not the best but i just need one for my ps5

[unique wind]

audeze maxwell

[molten lotus]

anything lower than that

$300 is a lot

my fault i didn't specify

[elder thistle]

you still didn't specify

[elder thistle]

how is ~200 in the u.s, wired, and open back (consequentially it doesn't block out outside noises)

[molten lotus]

Any lower?

Just to see any other options

i dont see the wired version

anywhere

[elder thistle]

you could waste my next 3 recommendations as I come up with them because you have an unstated target of $40

please specify to me and anyone else who might help: what you're looking for with details on what you like or dislike, features, priorities, including price

reeee I'll be back later, working on my measurement rig again

[lean grove]

@steel escarp https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/821923810441822278/1185181224738771056/20231215_061721.mp4?ex=65bcd187&is=65aa5c87&hm=4f8d2bbe969ebe21e4a1991d0b03129edc3f0d143ecc555347e77a7a5b9d1c4d&

[unique wind]

shit sounds like a susvara

[lean grove]

audibly rings

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743230004095221770/899146493217370122/video0.mov?ex=65bf0d6d&is=65ac986d&hm=402f3e90abdf4ea1e509da23f2e237c1e7a13d7a0a56225d4853dc88e7b73b49&

i think the susvara squeak sounds more hifi

[tight hedge]

anyone ever have a headset mic just stop working randomly? idk how to tell if its dead

[grand pewter]

Are the skullcandy crusher evos a good deal rn? they're only 130$ and from what I've seen they seem good but I don't know much

[nova wagon]

no.
all you will be able to hear from any music is the bass
i would rather get teh ch720 from sony

[grand pewter]

See look this is why I ask questions

lmao

i think my sister has these

[grand pewter]

Thank you

[blissful carbon]

Sorry for late response but it's turnt down to 0% already and it even happens outside of discord

[lean grove]

might be a windows thing or another program then. i have no idea

[blissful carbon]

Probably but atp I have no idea what program it could be

[steel escarp]

Huh did you get one?

[fair pawn]

I just got a pair of HD600 yesterday as well

but I mainly just to get it for a reference lol

[elder thistle]

that's why I got mine

[fair pawn]

I just find it a bit flat sounding

but I guess that's why it's "reference"

[elder thistle]

yes, it's pretty hard to make a headphone that rivals the hd600 in measured neutrality

[fair pawn]

I have yet to try the HD600 un-amped

I don't have a apple dongle at hand

=.=

[elder thistle]

oh ok

my amps are all decent solid state ones, usually intergrated

[fair pawn]

both of my amp is SS amp as well

maybe I shoudl just invest in a tube one

[elder thistle]

like the motu m4's headphone output, a few dongles, a schiit magni 3 heresy. I don't notice a difference between them

tubes are supposed to do a lot to an hd600 yeah

[fair pawn]

I'm using a Questyle CMA Twelve

and a BHA-1

it feels like the HD600 texture can be better

[elder thistle]

well I like how guitar strings and vocals sound on it personally. but it doesn't feel like magic either, I know a lot of people love the hd600 so much because of that

[fair pawn]

I just put on the HD600

hmmm definitiely can be a bit warmer

but then I should just get a 650 then

[elder thistle]

my main complaint really is that I figured out I'd like to reallocate a music production headphones' strengths towards instrument separation

I can get used to tone

(usually)

[fair pawn]

hmm yeah

soundstage and imaging is a bit lacking

or am I just being too picky

[elder thistle]

that's a pretty normal stance for the hd600 yes

I get maybe 6 feet max, maybe a little bit "3 blob" but I also feel like there's some height and a little bit can happen behind me too

[fair pawn]

same

[elder thistle]

slightly diffuse

[fair pawn]

welp time to swap back to my daily headphone lol

[elder thistle]

xd

[fair pawn]

just now is the first brief critical listening session I had

was too busy yesterday

I wouldn't say I'm "impressed" but I "understand" why people call it refernce

how should I put it..... it sounds good

for $300ish

but definitely not the "End Game" headphone that many people say

[elder thistle]

I liked the shure srh1840 a bit better but it had bass distortion unlike anything I've heard

I still suspect it was defective, and that was my reason for returning it

but the thd measured by others makes me uncertain

mids and highs blew my mind though

so airy and spherical and wide

and microscope

better instrument separation

[fair pawn]

I like my daily headphone for the textured bass

and sub bass

[elder thistle]

ye

[fair pawn]

but that's one of the best in class

I daily a Final D8000

[elder thistle]

woa

[fair pawn]

I heard they are coming out with a D7000 sometime soon

I wonder how close it will be

[elder thistle]

final makes the coolest looking headphones I've seen

no idea how they sound

guessing pretty spectacular though

[fair pawn]

their heapdhone is hit or miss

D8000 & D8000 pro is good

their Sonorus line is.....

Ugh

qustionable

[elder thistle]

even the amazon reviews for those suck

it seems inevitable when taking that chassis and then placing it at that pricetag with dynamic drivers which is the opposite of their thing

[fair pawn]

yeah I don't get their Sonorus line

it doesn't sound good either

but then on the other hand I like the D8000

I like it over the HE1000SE

but TBF at the time of purchase I was heavily sleep deprived since I was having a really bad jet lag

and the amp choice in the store was not exact great

I think they were having a Cayin HA-1A for demo

well actully now I think back they did have a Benchmark HPA-4 but it was occupied

[elder thistle]

naturally

damn I wish there were more hifi stores around where I am

or at least ones that let people try headphones

closest I've found is 120 miles

[fair pawn]

damn that's far

[elder thistle]

it's ridiculous

I can't pretend that my search was absolute, but this is pennsylvania

I've spent hours at a time trying to find stuff

there are a lot of cities here too

12 million people

not like it's kansas

I've never actually heard a pair of headphones or speakers above $600

maybe a PA system or something but that's different

[fair pawn]

well maybe you should look into going to the next Canjam

I think there is one in NY in March?

and I think another one in Socal later this year

[elder thistle]

ny's pretty damn far, but not impossible

a lot more than 120 miles

[fair pawn]

I wish I can go to one lol

they have everything available

[elder thistle]

temperature permitting

I couldnt do something like that unless it's pretty cold in that building

nerve pain issue

you know how much it costs to ship headphones back and forth to different people 6 times

I could get a lot of opinions and data if I just brought an mc450 to that place

I'd probably freak out though

also who's going to listen to $170 headphones at canjam

let alone something that rivals the treble of the most potent beyerdynamics

and they wouldn't be using them for nearly as long

[steel escarp]

Yeah mine does not do that

Honestly it is very solid

This is some of the cleanest bass I heard from a dynamic

[steel escarp]

this honestly might beocme the new 300 dollar recommendation

[toxic turtle]

Guys best audio format among MP3, WMA (Non-DRM), AAC (Non-DRM), Linear PCM and DSD?

[steel escarp]

it sounds like the little brother of the he1000v2 stealth, this aune headphone

@warm scarab they are actually good

the aune ar5000

[lilac spire]

Can i get stereo sound with 2 different speakers which are different sizes? I have a bose soundlink and a soundlink mini

[molten lotus]

Yes with channel imbalance

[lilac spire]

Whats that

[steel escarp]

One speaker being louder than the other

[lilac spire]

Can that be fixed somehow

[warm scarab]

it can

frequency response can't really

its going to sound a lot different left to right

[molten lotus]

Wearing Skullcandy crushers has really made me notice the bassy tones in song when wearing normal headphones

[zinc rain]

crushers are such a meme lmao

[warm scarab]

"the headphones with the unreasonable amount of bass made me realize how bassy songs are"

[haughty girder]

just wait till you try something with actually good bass like a fostex or emu teak

slammy, punchy and textured still

[molten lotus]

I just want them to shake my head

[elder thistle]

ime a lot of audiophile and studio headphones suck at this

if you're looking for that feature specifically, it's headsets

sorry audiophiles

[frozen hatch]

wdym headsets

[elder thistle]

gaming headsets often make it painfully obvious whether a sound is coming from in front of you vs behind you

like hyperx cloud alpha and razer blackshark v2x

with other headphones like sennheiser hd560s, beyer dt770/990, akg k361/371, you may get a pretty precise sounding angle a sound appears to come from, but it's faint, especially without a good spatializer

[frozen hatch]

what if im biased to logitech

[elder thistle]

I love my mackie mc450 for gaming more than anything else, but I will still not recommend it as a serious option for positional audio. its a compromise

I havent heard any logitech headsets

others I know who have do regularly praise their positional audio despite what they hear as lower overall sound quality

headsets often have a weird frequency response to boost footsteps and gunshots and such

[normal cove]

So my friend bought an M track

He has a hd650

Should he connect that to the m track or the pc?

[normal cove]

Whats a spatializer like dolby atmos?

[elder thistle]

yes

[normal cove]

I mean since when was there bad spatialisers

Its just dolby and dts no?

[elder thistle]

razer thx, dts, windows sonic

sometimes it's built into the usb part of a headset

[normal cove]

Ah

I think dolby is the best one right?

[elder thistle]

it can be, if the game supports it in an optimal way

[normal cove]

So is it different for different games?

I assume dolby is the most widely supported

[elder thistle]

no, like it requires the audio engine of the game to produce 7.1 channel audio in a way that dolby likes

which is rare

[normal cove]

Oh

[lean grove]

He should try both and see what he prefers

[normal cove]

Im thinking fortnite or modern warfars mainly

[normal cove]

Ah okay thanks

[elder thistle]

the generic kind of spatializers are more universal but often messier

[normal cove]

So i should research which software works best for those 2 games separately i guess

[elder thistle]

you get a lot of reverb as a consequence of how it finds and exaggerates positional audio cues from stereo

yeah probably

sometimes not using anything works the best

like hunt:showdown and csgo

[normal cove]

Yeah i guess

[compact vault]

are there any companies I should look at for earpads?

[warm scarab]

yes the one that made your headphones

[compact vault]

I cant find any for the HD599s that are original

[warm scarab]

get a new headphone tbh

[compact vault]

The headband "leather" is gone

new earpads are like 25ish

[ornate linden]

What's a good planor headphone

[warm scarab]

budget?

[ornate linden]

3000

[warm scarab]

id reckon you can get better performance with 20$ in ears

uhh

he1000

[compact vault]

but I dont like in ears

[warm scarab]

• amp/dac

I am not good with higher end amp/dacs but he1000 is a good planar

[elder thistle]

I did some pad swapping with my hd560s, which is similar. geekria had really good earpads for it, but it was slightly bassier and a little less midrange. not a big change though

your experience may be similar with these guys https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0761L7C8B

you don't need new headphones just because the pads wore out. that's ridiculous, and pads don't have to be that expensive

[compact vault]

ill give these a go

I was going to get new headphones but for the time being ill keep them

wait for the airpods max 2 or something

[lean grove]

Buy my he5se

[ornate linden]

but you told me to buy t60rp

[lean grove]

It's like the hd8XX but with less mids

You'd love it

[ornate linden]

Who grifted you into buying 5se

[compact vault]

are the sony mx5 actually good?

[ornate linden]

no

[compact vault]

same for the bose ultra?

I cant find any good reviews on them

[warm scarab]

qc45 is alright

but the main issue is they frequently break

[elder thistle]

I tried the xm5 at target for like 30 seconds

it made me very sad

[compact vault]

I used the airpods max but the audio was going past half

in the apple store

[warm scarab]

same

it was just sad sounding

[compact vault]

I heard they were really good

especially that I always see them when traveling

[warm scarab]

they are alright

[spark egret]

anyone have good recommendations for headphones with microphone for under 50 euros? i live in croatia so there is not much brands to pick from

im not an expert so ion see much diffrence in most models

im looking for come comfortable ones

[warm scarab]

i heard that if you sacrifice 4 goats to audeze they send you a free maxwell the next day

[livid ruin]

is koss porta pro available to you?

not the best mic tbh but, sound good

there is also wireless version

[spark egret]

nope

hm

is AOC GH300 good?

they have sumn 7.1 sound or sumn shiz idk

[river hemlock]

So, thoughts... I'd like to get some bookshelf speakers and maybe a subwoofer for my setup but I'm having some difficulties finding some stands. The main thing that's causing the difficulty is finding something that lets you point the speaker at a downward angle. I could just have them on regular stands but the direction of the sound would basically be above my head (sure I get that at this distance it likely doesn't matter), but it also just wouldn't look as nice if I could angle them.

Here is a picture of my monitor setup for reference, any ideas?

I'd prefer to have them above the left and right monitors and there is room behind each of them for stands. I have thought about a wall mount but I'd like to avoid that route if possible.

[warm scarab]

just find regular desk stands

put speaker foam wedges below the speakers

not sure if it would provide the angle you need

alternatively you can make something out of wood or ask a carpenter to do it, something like a small wooden frame

[river hemlock]

Don't know much about audio and the like so didn't even think of speaker foam wedges.... Would probably work, may have to do an a additional wedge or so to get the right angle and then find a way to secure it so it doesn't fall over. Thanks!

[warm scarab]

np

but ill tell you now

I don't think you can achieve ideal angles with foam without the speaker falling over

[river hemlock]

Yeah, may need to make something myself. As long as the center of gravity is taken into account properly then I should...should... be fine

[lean grove]

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https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-21631787

thanks mods

[steel escarp]

@warm scarab honestly I am not 100% sure how to feel about it

its super detailed

[warm scarab]

you are looking at hyper smoothened graphs grey

its not going to show you much

[steel escarp]

I did several sine sweeps

5kHz is a bit hot for me

wait I had my hifiman he1000v2 stealth eq on

oh yeah its solid now

I need someone else to listen to these headphones, I feel like I can't form a solid opinion

[unique wind]

i have the best ears in the world

[steel escarp]

I feel like the mid range and treble is way more recessed than shown on that graph

also nothing has weight to it

honestly I dont like the overal signature. I find myself turning up the volume to get more body but then some parts stick out sounding really shrill

yeah I am returning it

(I was going to from the start but I am done playing with it)

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

😭

[pure oxide]

I reckon i have the single best pair of earbuds on this channel...

(Bar maybe a couple)

[warm scarab]

real

[steel escarp]

I am waiting for the moondrop blessing 3 dusk to release

[unique wind]

truthear nova?

[lean grove]

Kz ling long

[pure oxide]

Try hearing aids 🙃
Now (finally) with the added bonus of being able to stream phone audio easily

Not to mention a solid 2 week battery life

[lilac spire]

can i use 2 diff speakers for stereo sound without channel imbalance

[lean grove]

No

[warm scarab]

yes

but not without frequency response imbalance

wait does that mean you can't

[lean grove]

The only way to not have a channel imbalance is if they have the same frequency response and same dispersion pattern

And the only way to do that is to have the same speaker

[spark egret]

anyone have good recommendations for headphones with microphone for under 50 euros? i live in croatia so there is not much brands to pick from
im not an expert so ion see much diffrence in most models
im looking for some comfortable ones

[lilac spire]

can anyone tell me any good headphones which have a cloth type of material and separate right and left audio channels. i used my friend corsair hs35 stereo and im looking for something like that in a similar price range

[warm owl]

Hello

I'm in need of new wireless in-ears. I want some that aren't heavy, have a rather compact case and have good noise cancelling. And also decent audio quality of course. I'd buy the Airpot Pros 2 because of the fit but i have an Android so i can't use them properly (another reason why i disregard apple as a company).
So i want some with a similar shape. My budget is 100-200$ (can also be less).
I've been looking at the nothing ear two so far and also at some jbl ones.

[haughty girder]

matched*

same model may not have good channel matching which then it wouldn't matter anyway

though, that's more of an issue with iems and headphones

[haughty girder]

Airpods pro 2 are fine?

the only other option worth considering is Sony's wf1000xm4 and galaxy buds

[warm owl]

Yeah from fit and sound and and anc, the only problem is that it's an apple product so apple's gatekeeping it.

[haughty girder]

not really?

[warm owl]

Pretty sad in my opinion

[warm owl]

Wdym

Sure i can connect them and use them

But i can't really update them or use the full features that i paid for.

[warm owl]

I have galaxy buds + that i got for free as my mom bought a a51 but I don't really find them comfortable

[haughty girder]

The issue is sorta that even with the few missing features, it's still better than most of the things on the market and pretty much everything that has a stem

[warm owl]

Ok

Is there really nothing at all?

(no pun intended)

[warm scarab]

aren't there 3rd party apps for that

in any case i sort of agree with nexgen

i dont think you will find better

[warm owl]

Ok

[warm scarab]

if you want anc

[warm owl]

Would be nice

[warm scarab]

if you want something that has good audio + a semi working mic + bt

you can get very good audio quality at the cost of missing out of anc and every other feature

[warm owl]

No i need anc, I'd mainly use them for commuting

[warm scarab]

well there you have it

[warm owl]

Now they even have USB-C