audio-tech

[silent haven]

no one actually uses iems exclusively because they are superior to headphones in gaming

no one worth a damn at least

[steel crown]

In fact, I haven't used headphones in probably over a year

[haughty girder]

Which team was it? started using Bose QC35 headsets for the noise isolation

[haughty girder]

who is worth a damn in your book lmao

[silent haven]

the only reason they use iems is paired with headphones

for more isolation

not for its superior imaging

or "intimacy"

[haughty girder]

read that again

[silent haven]

bullshit terms

[lean grove]

the negative opinions are coming from the audio equivalent of a street preacher telling you that politicians eat worms and babies are all agents of the soviet union.

[haughty girder]

the headphones... aid in dampening crowd noise

again

headphones != earbuds

lmao

you drew the same wrong conclusion twice through a composition fallacy that headphones and iems have the same rules applied to them

[silent haven]

refer to crinicles article that he says applies to iems aswell

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/382801814547988481/1187259447119183872/image.png?ex=65963c86&is=6583c786&hm=25b3f46650f02496674d7aa4fd9ab1ce8dd653ae1b7cec46e362152960bf6c30&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[haughty girder]

that's thrice

also who is worth a damn in your book in fps gaming

[silent haven]

i dont watch esports and idc

[haughty girder]

or do you just parrot the same things you hear because you couldn't think for yourself

[silent haven]

its common knowledge

of acoustics

that for better imaging and stage

it has to be a more open headphone

with a larger driver

[haughty girder]

that's headphones

not iems

iems bypass the entire pinna

[silent haven]

go and tell me a giant headphone like any arya has worse imaging than a crappy IEM

[haughty girder]

in which case it's almost entirely down to frequency response and driver implementation, rather than driver size and distance

[silent haven]

because its more "intimate"

your logic doesnt follow

[haughty girder]

Arya is kinda shit anyways lmfao

[lean grove]

the giant headphone like the arya has crappy imaging and a crappy stage.

weirdly wide, zero center image

[haughty girder]

also Arya does have pretty craptastic staging and imaging

If 6xx has 3 blob imaging then Arya has two zone imaging

[silent haven]

im just using it as an example of a large driver

[haughty girder]

well use a better example

[haughty girder]

Again

[silent haven]

how about hd800s

[haughty girder]

that's 4 times

[silent haven]

that lots of pros use

[haughty girder]

uhm

[silent haven]

and universally circle jerk

for gaming

despite it being shit

[haughty girder]

HD800 or 800s

[silent haven]

hd800s

and whats their main reason for using it

the soundstage and imaging

why? because the headphone has a giant soundstage

artifical, but still

[haughty girder]

HD800s stage pretty wide sure for a headphone... it's still a headphone and the imaging is also weird, there's like holes missing directly left, right and centre

[lean grove]

also the hd800 drivers arent really that big.

[haughty girder]

HD800s staging is overhyped imo, it's basically because it's bright and its drivers are quite far from the baffle

[silent haven]

have you heard hd800s

[haughty girder]

yes ofc

Honestly disappointing

[lean grove]

ive got an hd800 laying somewhere around here.

[haughty girder]

there's a reason I stopped chasing staging in headphones

[left cypress]

Where can i find a 2 pin 2meter iem cable?

[silent haven]

im not a fan of hd800s, but thats like the default recommendation from most headphone reviewers

because openess and stage

for gaming

no one will ever recommend an IEM

[lean grove]

you gave up earlier than most.

[haughty girder]

if HD800s is the best headphones can do for staging

then there's no hope for headphone staging

[silent haven]

or a closed back generic branded gaming headset like razer

or corsair

[haughty girder]

just get somme LSR305 or something idk

[lean grove]

you need to buy stax sigmas and akg k1000 before you can truly say you've given up.

[haughty girder]

or some Genelec 8010A 😄

[lean grove]

or raals

[left cypress]

@lean grove i like this cable but tis only 1.2m long https://eliseaudio.com/en-us/products/cema-ms-upgrade-cable?_pos=1&_sid=7a7de4b3f&_ss=r

[haughty girder]

I don't have an amp to drive the k1k

[silent haven]

so saying iems are better for gaming because "more intimate" is just bullshit and cope. when all the forums give reasoning as to why openbacks are better for gaming. AND all reviewers are shilling the same headphone because of its stage characteristics

[haughty girder]

Also nobody here has Stax of any kind

[lean grove]

i managed to get it to almost normal volumes with my q5k

[silent haven]

and using the excuse of some deadbeat pro using iems therefore its the best

is close minded

[haughty girder]

how about you test for yourself before parroting reddit comments

every pro uses iems for gaming

That's as plain english as I can put it for your babybrain to figure out

my guy

literally do any test for yourself

[silent haven]

ive done plenty of testing with iems and headphones

and used plenty of shilled iems

[haughty girder]

Apparently not

[silent haven]

its not useable for gaming

even tf2

[haughty girder]

you're stuck in 2015

[silent haven]

fucking sucks

[narrow saffron]

is the dt990 pro x good?

[haughty girder]

all you can think of is HD800 and probably some KZ iems Idk

[narrow saffron]

im a little poor boy

[haughty girder]

no

[silent haven]

im not making the argument for the best gaming headphone, i even said i dont like hd800s

[haughty girder]

also I assume you mean 900 pro x

[silent haven]

so why are you sperging about that

[haughty girder]

You've never tried it

you tried to pass Arya as good

[silent haven]

i tried hd800s

owned beyers

owned plenty of aryas

by far most open

and widest stage

[haughty girder]

My guy Arya was outdated 5 years ago when it was released

[narrow saffron]

990

[silent haven]

for gaming

you relaize a new revision just came out this year

how dense can you be

[left cypress]

yo chill out neither of you are going to ever agree with each other or see each others side of the argument so how bout yous just chill out and ingore each other

[silent haven]

how about you read the articles of people smarter than you

about their takes on gaming

instead of grasping for straws

clown

[haughty girder]

You came straight with an ad hom and now trying to pass off some guy who happens to work at a big name as your own opinion

[haughty girder]

nah avoid

DT880, K612 are better

[narrow saffron]

aw

oh okay i have those

i thought they were gonna be an upgrade

should i also get a thing for it

[haughty girder]

oh then don't even bother with anything else under like 200-300 bucks lmao

[narrow saffron]

an amplifier

[haughty girder]

sure

[narrow saffron]

yipee

thanks

[haughty girder]

wait which do you have?

[narrow saffron]

dt880

250 ohms

[haughty girder]

ok yea you can get an amp for it

DT880 are solid

[narrow saffron]

let's gooo

does it have to be an expesive one?

[haughty girder]

Something like Schiit Magni would do just fine if you want something cheaper

nah

[narrow saffron]

let me show which one i was looking at

[haughty girder]

kk

[silent haven]

show me objective data where iems can be as open and wide as any open back headphone, and image as clearly. go ahead. defy the sonic ability of a small in ear driver

[narrow saffron]

FiiO e10k-tc

[left cypress]

just leave it man

[haughty girder]

burden of proof because you kept lying through your teeth you couldn't back yourself up. You're not worth my time.

[haughty girder]

E10k is a bit meh

[narrow saffron]

damm

[haughty girder]

That said I've never heard the TC so I can't actually say much on it

the original E10k was pretty bad

[silent haven]

and since you cant prove that iems are more open and accurate than a headphone, prove to me that "intimate" iem is better for gaming, because why... you want to hear less around you? you WANT a smaller claustrophobic soundstage to hear footsteps?

[haughty girder]

what I'd recommend is getting a decent dongle with 2vrms output and getting a schiit Magni +

[narrow saffron]

alr

[haughty girder]

then using a 3.5mm to rca cable from dongle to amp

dongle as the dac

[lean grove]

fosi ds1 is a decent option too

[silent haven]

worthless clown posts his graphs and doesnt care to do a sliver of research or have the common sense of how headphones work

hurr durr more intimate!!

ninja uses iems!!

clowns, not worth talking to these subhumans

[haughty girder]

I trust nils here, I haven't heard the Fosi yet either so I also can't recommend it on my own but Nils is generally trustworthy

[haughty girder]

are you done monologuing like a shakespeare play yet?

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[steel crown]

I feel like people are just recommending headphones without reading my post, lol

**DON'T want another pair of headphones. **

• Earcups come undone
• Wires fray
• Metal bits can break
• Expensive
• Hurt/annoy ears due to numerous piercings

DO want IEM's

• Cheaper
• Doesn't bother ears
• Just need for use when gaming while gf is sleeping
• NOT for competitive gaming
• I play PvE games and Story-rich/cinematic games for enjoyment

[haughty girder]

yea our recommendations stay the same, Truthear Zero red being top choice IMO

[steel crown]

It's just easy to plug something into my PC, pop them in my ears, and play.

[silent haven]

hexa, nova, em6l, hype2, crin collab shit

[haughty girder]

Great tuning for all kinds of media

[silent haven]

there

[narrow saffron]

it is cheaper, and i am poor

[haughty girder]

congrats you did a chat search in the crin server

[left cypress]

try these Linsoul TANGZU Wan’er just as a place to start

[narrow saffron]

i also don't know anything about the 3.5 to rca thing

so ill stick to the noob

[silent haven]

i dont care about iems

or talk in his server

iems are cope

[narrow saffron]

iems are cool

[haughty girder]

I would avoid Wan'er rn unless it's the jade version

Jade has a decent cable and is one of the cheapest options

[narrow saffron]

es this one right?

[left cypress]

i need a new cable for my iems but i need a 2m one and i cant find one anywhere do you know anywhere i can get one @haughty girder

[steel crown]

Wait does the cable for these IEM's matter that much? Or is it just comfort?

[haughty girder]

but all the wan'ers had some weird grain in the midbass and upper mids that weren't there in the Truthear Hola and Salnotes zero

[haughty girder]

mainly comfort, but a good cable can also avoid microphonics where the cable transfers rubbing noise into the iems

[haughty girder]

yes

[narrow saffron]

how would i connect with the 3.5 to rca thing

[left cypress]

can do, but not unless your wearing iems that are good enough to actually hear the differnce between the cables

[haughty girder]

and as for a dac, an Apple type C to 3.5mm or Conexant CX 31993 dongle will do well

[haughty girder]

3.5mm into a dac of some sort (either the dongles I recc'd above or onboard) and rca into the back of the amp

[haughty girder]

Are you comfortable shopping on aliexpress

[left cypress]

yeah realitivly

brought shit from there before

[haughty girder]

Search up xinhs

pick a cheaper cable that you like the look of, then message him and ask for a 2 metre cable

he can customize cables

[steel crown]

So Truthear seems to be the go-to brand. What exactly is the difference between the Zero, Hexa and Nova? (Besides the price-point)

[left cypress]

they dont look as nice as the ones i was looking at.. https://eliseaudio.com/cdn/shop/products/cable-silver.jpg?v=1641169740

[haughty girder]

Zero is a Crinacle (audio reviewer) collaboration. The Red one is tuned to a neutral-warm signature which is a very safe bet. Hexa I'd just avoid and Nova is a bit of an oddball, where it's basically strictly harman ie which you either love or hate

basically what I'm saying is the Zero Red (not the blue) is the safest bet there, and the cheapest

[haughty girder]

they have some really nice ones

[steel crown]

I like the solid black look of the Hexa but yeah...saw the warning on amazon, lol

[haughty girder]

for example:

[haughty girder]

it's actually abuse of the amazon system where people buy, try and return if they don't like

[haughty girder]

xinhs responds fairly quickly if it's during the day in china

[left cypress]

recon i could get him to replicate a cable?

[haughty girder]

perhaps

you could send him a picture and ask for a price

he should be able to give you a rough estimate

[left cypress]

its this guy right @haughty girder Store No.1102081218

[haughty girder]

yes

[silent haven]

headphones.com prefers hexa over nova which is basically a cheaper variations

their reasoning for not liking the nova was fair, i hear the same thing on my own

but would still take it over the hexa

[steel crown]

As someone who doesn't know "sound profiles" or what warm or whatever means. Is Nova really worth the extra $100?

[haughty girder]

no

[silent haven]

zero red is some actual ear piercing shit

[haughty girder]

check out some of the cables he has first

if you see one that you like, ask him to extend it

[left cypress]

what does the core count mean?

[narrow saffron]

do i need something like this?

[haughty girder]

yes, you can get a nicer looking cable though. You want to avoid the really cheap looking cables

[narrow saffron]

alr

[haughty girder]

basicaly how many wires it has

[left cypress]

so the more the better?

[haughty girder]

eh

doesn't matter

pick whatever looks best to you

[left cypress]

why do they make differnet ones then?

[haughty girder]

looks and feel

[silent haven]

whats that for

[haughty girder]

I gtg for now but just take a look around

[silent haven]

the modi

apple dongle is enough for iems

[haughty girder]

if you weren't foaming at the mouth half an hour ago you'd know he's looking for an amp for DT880 250ohms

and that's a Magni, not Modi

Modi I don't recommend because it's not better basically at all compared to a decent dongle

[narrow saffron]

one more thing, is there a noticable difference with the amp?

[silent haven]

if you werent spewing out bullshit i would have had time to scroll up

[haughty girder]

Volume yes, sound quality unlikely assuming your current output is not garbage

[silent haven]

instead of stopping your misinformation in its tracks

[narrow saffron]

i think it is

[haughty girder]

You wouldn't even have needed to scroll up

[narrow saffron]

lol

[silent haven]

coping up a storm with how iems are better than headphone

[haughty girder]

Honestly though, get a dongle first. generic CX31993 Pro is solid

[left cypress]

iem cables

[haughty girder]

if it doesn't get loud enough for you then get the magni

[haughty girder]

you seem more affected by it than anyone else, are you alright?

[narrow saffron]

alr, ill keep looking into it, thanks though

[haughty girder]

👍

[silent haven]

offense is the best defense

dont actually engage with my argument, just shitpost some more about my choice of arya for an example

or you being called out as "foaming at the mouth"

all you reddit tier lowfi enthusiasts can really do

[narrow saffron]

lol

what is this man yapping about? 😭

[silent haven]

keep blindly following this redditor

the shit i say flies over both of your heads

no point talking on deaf ears

[lean grove]

It is shit, truly

[silent haven]

then he opens his lip about "cant back myself up"

when the only argument he made was some deadbeat pro like iems therefore the best?

[narrow saffron]

xd

[silent haven]

and "imtimate" is better for gaming because logic

not getting into that shit again

[frosty ocean]

i figured out why the new battery wasnt working. I didnt shove the connector in hard enough

[steel crown]

Silicone vs. Foam ear tips?

[left cypress]

how do i know if this cable is ballanced or not?

https://addictedtoaudio.co.nz/products/eletech-prudence-in-ear-cable?variant=42587301937301

[lean haven]

that's the magic part, you can't know unless it's explicitly specified but usually 2.5mm jacks are balanced outputs

[supple robin]

and for hd 6xx

[supple robin]

dt880, 560s, ksc75, ksc75x, whatever other koss headphone is meant to be good, k371, k361 and maybe like two others

they are also all gonna be way better

at least from what ive heard others say, ive owned k371 but never owned dt 770 pro x whatever or 990 pro x

[elder thistle]

how do you define better

for me I'd be afraid to use an hd560s, ksc75, k361, and k371

haven't tried the dt880

however,

[elder thistle]

if I'm lucky, this will show up today

mc450 may be a substantial upgrade over the dt880 in separation and game imaging. but I can only really use the dt990 to make such a guess

I'm more excited about the imaging side of things for dt990

stock frequency response already looks pretty good for gaming cues

[silent haven]

990 is good for gaming

[lean haven]

:\

[elder thistle]

is that a guitar

[trim osprey]

Cursed

[supple robin]

better sound

[supple robin]

idk why you'd be afraid, ksc75 is pretty cheap if you dont like it then its not a huge hole in the wallet

and k371 is good ive had a pair

[elder thistle]

hd560s, ksc75, and k361 all had pretty bad game imaging for me regarding front from back

k371 was a little better for whatever reason but the instrument separation was still low

[vestal meadow]

Why would you be afraid of using these

[unique wind]

@lean grove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAKKVe6stCs

theyre much better than i thought they would be

coaxial doing work

the dispersion and imaging are great

[elder thistle]

like I mentioned above

for example

I put on some hd560s's 2 days ago when trying out a new hunting game with a nice sound engine (but it's not hunt:showdown)

and then I heard a wolf sound

so I started walking towards the wolf sound because it was pretty obviously in front of me

[unique wind]

i would assume that hd560s have decent imaging because the midrange is tuned correctly

but ive never tried any sennheiser myself

[elder thistle]

yeah I stayed there for 7 minutes looking for a wolf that was later revealed to be behind me

and ran away

I didn't have this problem with the mc450

it wasn't legendarily obvious but I could still consistently get the direction right

[elder thistle]

behold

also wow this coiled cable is short

gonna mod that asap

for now I have a generic extension cable though

coming from my experiences with the dt770 80 ohm, these are a little better than I expected

I've always been told the treble would be evil and make me go deaf or something

honestly it's not that bad. the upper midrange is annoying me more than the treble in terms of volume

so pretty close to my dt770 in that way

🤔

no something's not right

there is a lot less bass in the right earcup

kinda weird that this is addressed from an rma center

measuring

[frozen relic]

should i but cheap (~$20) "sound card" or expensive one (~$100)

im looking only at usb ones, as i cant use pcie slots

sth like this:

i have z690 ud ax mobo

i want this thing for better audio on headphones + to use 6 channels speakers

[elder thistle]

single sample

[supple robin]

just get an apple 3.5mm to usb c

and then a usb c to a if you dont got a usb c port

[elder thistle]

harman

[supple robin]

i'd believe you'd need a speaker amp if you wanna use it with speakers but wait for someone more knowledagble to speak on it

[frozen relic]

i think i tried usb and it wasnt even showing as viable device

also why would this make 1 jack cable transport 6 lines of sound?

[supple robin]

it wouldnt but it'd work for headphones

and sound good

[frozen relic]

*7 lines

[supple robin]

actually it probably could, you use that as the dac and then get one of those speaker amps

[frozen relic]

my main motivation is speakers

and headphones is only addition

[frozen relic]

Sony HT-S40R
thats the model

[supple robin]

the way our speaker setup is ran downstairs is we got an aux cable connected to headphone port, then the amp (some cheap one off amazon) to power them

and we have 4 speakers, we odnt have the sub hooked up yet

[frozen relic]

i have set (soundbar technically)

i just need to connect it

i want to use optical cable, but im not sure if it needed hdmi+opt or if opt is enough solo

(hdmi arc)

[haughty girder]

the main thing IMO is its sibilance

it's really bad

afterward it's the bass that has 0 seperation

[elder thistle]

I am often spared from the 5-6k area because of my hrtf

this is sibilance

[unique wind]

[white gate]

So at the end of it all, after over £21,000,000 was poured in by the investor, MQA was bought for....£100k

[lean grove]

Thank God I have a DAC that supports MQA so in the future I can continue to listen to my local MQA music.

MQA will never die so long as it remains open source and available to the public.

[white gate]

Open Source? 😛

[lean grove]

./s

[livid ruin]

budget headphones with accurate sound profile under $50?

(neutral)

[lean grove]

JBL tune 710 are Harman neutral.

[livid ruin]

a bit muddy and brighter tbh

[lean grove]

That's the closest headphone to "neutral" you're gonna find in your budget other than ksc75.

You should be looking at iems instead, if you want neutral

[livid ruin]

something like hd 681 but without the poor treble sound profile

[lean grove]

Okay how about an hd681 with EQ

There's really nothing that's good in this price range. Closest thing would be a used k612 or k361

[livid ruin]

mmm

[elder thistle]

you should really expect to use eq to achieve some neutrality with budget gear

mackie mc250 is close but it's a little over your budget

[livid ruin]

ye, but i’m looking for the most accurate out of the box

[elder thistle]

potentially the behringer alpha too, minus the mids dip

[lean grove]

You're not gonna find that in headphones until you can afford the 6xx.

Just get some iems

[elder thistle]

profiles:

[livid ruin]

currently have hd 681 so,

i would have to tune the trebles

[elder thistle]

I have fixed the dt990

right side driver was not fully clipped into the baffle because the clips were pulled back

I must now record something important

called...

"do I need an amp for the dt990 250"

[silent haven]

get an amp

just because it gets loud enough doesnt mean its driven properly

especially if bass is lacking

[elder thistle]

nah it's plenty good here

high impedance, so low current draw

and I've measured these dongle dacs with an oscilloscope. rock solid, far from any distortion being in the audible range

[lean grove]

if a headphone isn't getting the power it needs then its either clipping or distorting up the wazoo.

so if its loud enough and it sounds fine, then yeah its probably being driven properly.

[silent haven]

susvara can get loud enough with mid tier gear

[elder thistle]

a slightly nicer dongle dac (hiby fc1) was powering a he400se with a 1khz sine wave and -60db thd

[silent haven]

but you wont hear the bass or soundstage without more

[elder thistle]

and then it busted the dongle

[silent haven]

not to its fullest potential

[elder thistle]

but woah

[lean grove]

show me where someone is buying a $6000(ish) headphone and plugging it into mediocre gear.

also show me in measurements where the bass rolls off with a mid-tier headphone amp and suddenly appears with a top-tier headphone amp

[elder thistle]

I think any soundstage and bass shenanigans one might hear when using things a little past dongle world are intentional kinds of distortion and coloration

but that's just my hypothesis

I don't have any really high end dacs or amps

[lean grove]

i think a fair amount of those shenanigans are happening inside people's heads rather than in their chain.

i can see time domain stuff improving with a nicer dac. and maybe ringing artifacts from the filter playing a role.

[elder thistle]

well yes

[lean grove]

the right filter can make a huge difference.

but whenever someone says "wow the bass is so much better" when they get a new amp for t heir headphone that is probably using a few mW, then really what i think it is, is the volume being turned up more because they wanna test their amp

suddenly hearing all 10 mW of power instead of the 3 mW they're used to

[elder thistle]

yup

slightly off topic, but my impressions of positional audio on the dt990 are actually pretty poor so far

all I did was listen to the source audio of that titanfall test clip I send everywhere

but most of the sounds were behind me when they were sometimes in front

so we'll see

but at this point it's making the hd560s look good

barely any discernment vs a little discernment but still pretty tough

I'm happy with where the instrument separation is for the price, an improvement over my 80 ohm dt770

ignoring that we can get 3x(??!?!!?) that for the same price

I like the bass levels

might be suffering in the bass control department, need to study it more

similar to hd560s

[haughty girder]

wait but DT990 are lowkey easy to drive

[haughty girder]

Is what people told me before I got a K612

sure you need to turn it higher in windows with Apple dongle

but it really sounds not much diff from any actual amp I've tested

[lean grove]

how many watts did you pump into your headphones before you heard a sound stage

[haughty girder]

I think people fail to realize how little power even the most power hungry headphones require

they're headphones. Not heaters.

[haughty girder]

I think about 15?

[lean grove]

thats it?

rookie numbers.

[haughty girder]

I think so

really?

it gets wider?

[lean grove]

well what will happen is if you feed them enough power the drivers will launch out the back of the headphones adding a really airy and spacious sound signature

[haughty girder]

Ohhh

That makes sense I'll give it a shot later

A straight 60hz test tone should be fine right

soundstage in the bass would be pretty cool

[lean grove]

do you have a 60hz tone generator laying around? you'll need something that can do at least 1800 watts into 8 ohms.

or about 120 volts

[elder thistle]

you take a fat capacitor, charge it as high as you can with a dc power supply, and let it rip one one of the headphone channels

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bey-blade-gif-5082072

[haughty girder]

I live in Canada

My wall has a 60hz tone generator built into it

I believe I can do 2kW before risking a breaker

[lean grove]

Even better

[warm scarab]

ive seen people plug 6xx to 6k gear on the other hand

[crisp moat]

Spoopy stuff

Apparently the board nuts tend to loosen after 32 years

[unique wind]

[warm scarab]

plausible if its a shitty amp tbh

could clip

[unique wind]

if there’s no output impedance shenanigans or the amp isn’t shitting itself like you said then it doesn’t happen

the frequency response isn’t altered

it just gets reduced in volume across the board with a lesser powerful amp

XS is a great headphone for the price but it’s so funny seeing people act as if the bass gets boosted on a certain amplifier

[elder thistle]

$30 hiby fc1 dongle dac/amp, max volume, he400se

1khz sine

[warm scarab]

dynamic range compression michael

but yeah it would need to be a very weak amp like you said

[elder thistle]

that doesn't make sense

an amplifier doesn't have attack and decay times below audio rates

when something is compressed based on momentary amplitude, it's called distortion

and it creates extra harmonics

in that sense, hard clipping is like compression with an infinite ratio

even when there is attack and decay times below audio rates, it still shows up as light distortion

[warm scarab]

its what happens when the amplifier can't output a peak

amplifier clips and you get a weird distortion

[unique wind]

i clip my iemagni and magnius very easily with eq'd sundara

[warm scarab]

yeah

[unique wind]

both just straight up stop producing sound at all

[warm scarab]

i think that's just the amp going into resistance but yeah

[elder thistle]

if it's distorting it's measurable

budget amps generally aren't doing this in any meaningful capacity

[warm scarab]

yeah it is

[elder thistle]

could be going into protection mode

[warm scarab]

depends on what you plug into them

[unique wind]

probably are since sound is completely cut

my own fault for buying into audiophile bullshit early on instead of just buying a well measuring Topping source chain

that can handle low resistance low sensitivity loads

[warm scarab]

i mean you bought something meant driving for iems

[unique wind]

the magnius does it too

[warm scarab]

its not surprising it goes into resistance when you plug in a planar

[unique wind]

i mean it gets louder but it still happens

on balanced

[warm scarab]

that magnius killed itself a week afterwards

[elder thistle]

well what I mean is when an amp provides power without distortion, you're not getting some kind of anomaly in the bass due to "not enough power"

[warm scarab]

i think its safe to say it was malfunctioning

[elder thistle]

and if it does, it's measurable

[unique wind]

it died from static discharge

there was an audible pop when i touched the headphone cable and felt the discharge

[warm scarab]

this tbh lol

[unique wind]

at least it was still a pooron amp and not something super expensive

[tawdry gale]

sad times

[unique wind]

i wouldve been pissed if i fried a $600 amp or something

[tawdry gale]

well magnius doesnt even sound good anyways

[unique wind]

i mean it measures presumably inaudibly clean so it has no sound

ive been wondering if topping will make an A90 Pro thats even better than their A70 Pro

or if that's the best theyre doing for a while

oh hey topping made a miniature original A90 that's cool

https://www.tpdz.net/productinfo/590764.html

tiny, internal power supply

three gain settings

it doesnt have a matched dac though that's lame

[lean finch]

Anyone have some recommendations for speakers on a desk? Currently have Logitech Z623. Also currently have Komplete Audio 2, and have Equalizer APO installed.

I can provide more info as needed

[unique wind]

if theyre available for you then the Neumi BS5P-arc can be equalized to have perfect midrange and treble, and have a subwoofer output

for a low price

[lean finch]

Gotcha. Would I need a subwoofer or no?

I do live in an apartment complex

[unique wind]

totally up to you whether or not you want one

theyll extend to like 50 or 60hz as most bookshelf speakers do

they start rolling off after 100hz though

[lean finch]

I see. I do have the Sennheiser HD 560s, with an EQ that is supposed to get it pretty close to the Harman Target curve for over ear headphones.

[lean finch]

Also, where did you get that graph? I'm really curious how my current speakers are

[unique wind]

it's from the review that ErinsAudioCorner posted on the Audio Science Review forum

[umbral charm]

Been looking for a pair of wireless earphones for under £40 (GBP) but can't decide as there's many options, anyone able to recommend any?

Obviously want good audio but also a battery life of about 6+ hours

[lean grove]

Check out the moondrop space travel

[elder thistle]

my sister loves those

the moondrop space travel

and she has an he400se so

take that for what you will

[umbral charm]

Yeah I just had a look, I saw good reviews on them earlier but shipping is like a month on them

[spark egret]

Can someone help me find a good cheap microphone

my budget is low af and i live in Croatia

So there is not alot of choices like in America or sumn

[umbral charm]

Is there any other pairs, I was looking at JBL Wave Buds

[wind scaffold]

hey does anyone here know would it work to use two stereo speakers in front and back to do some cheap surround sound? If not what would be a decent budget surround sound? I dont need super great audio quality, just good enough for some directional audio for games. My baseline for audio quality is the logitech G635

[lean grove]

If your motherboard supports it, you can get two pairs of speakers (four total) and do some surround sound shenanigans.

With edifier mr4 it would be about $250 ish

Idk how good it would be.

[wind scaffold]

would there be any sort of software so I could have say 4 USB speakers and set them inside of the software to be in certain directions?

[lean grove]

Yes but it would be incredibly annoying to deal with.

And idk how to do that.

Surround sound on PC is kind of a bitch. And surround sound in general is. Not all media can take advantage of it.

[wind scaffold]

I can get the entire logitech z607 surround sound system for only $130

would something like the SONY SS-TS300 work? I can get those for $40 on ebay, and like I said the audio quality doesn't need to be great just decent, its mostly just important for it to be directional

[lean grove]

I have no idea.

[umbral charm]

The few pairs of buds I been looking at are liberty air 2 / pros . jbl wave buds, Xiaomi Redmi Buds 4 pro

Looking at reviews, most people saying the air 2's are the best value

Just went with air pro 2 for 46.99

[warm scarab]

nothing nearly as good

[sudden grove]

Does editing videos use your cpu mainly or your gpu?

[warm scarab]

both?

editing relies on cpu more i think

rendering is both though a bit

[lean grove]

This is audio channel

[unique wind]

it uses both heavily

storage speed is important too

[sudden grove]

Ah. So I'd definitely wanna use an ssd but fr tho apart from storing photos and data sheets. Almost everything else Is much better on ssd.

Does it matter if I use an average ssd like an sn570 1tb?

[molten lotus]

HOLY SHIT the crusher evos are better than i expected

[unique wind]

an average ssd should be fine

[sudden grove]

K I was planning on making like a 3400g/4350g build then add something like a 2070 super or smthn like that down the line.

Considering you said it uses cpu and gpu heavily. I don't think my igpu is gonna be very happy...

I mean I will just start by combining tracks and stuff in audacity and then depending on how much of a hindrance the hardware is on my workload I'll upgrade, I'll also upgrade If I end up deciding to expand the range of editing and workstation applications I use.

[haughty girder]

which ?

if you have resolve normal, it's pretty much completely cpu bound but cuda helps

if you have resolve studio, then GPU becomes much more important

[sweet void]

What is better for fps games like rainbow I want the footsteps to be distinct I don’t like when all the frequency muddle up so are the , A50, G Pro X2, Blacksharks V2 Pro or Arctis Nova Pro ? Best

[warm scarab]

nonenof these are very good

consider tygr 300r or dt880 250ohm

[sweet void]

I currently have the dt880 80ohm but I’m on console and find the cable falls out the control very easily

[warm scarab]

what is your budget?

honestly getting an adapter would be the better choice

dt880 might be the headphone with the best imaging below 200$

there is r70x for 350$ first hand and as low as 160$ second hand

and audeze maxwell which is wireless at 300$ but I don't know how good it is for gaming

it sounds good though for music

[barren ocean]

Anyone able to help me with my mic setup? I recently bought a rode podmic and an audiant evo 4. Last night i tried them out on discord but i was really quiet. I had turned the gain all the way up as well as turning the mic input volume on windows to 100. Am i missing something obvious or is there something wrong?

[elder thistle]

have you found them useful for hearing footsteps?

[elder thistle]

I don't know what the gain is like for the evo 4, but from that I'm guessing not very high

this is just the limitations of your interface trying to amplify a very insensitive mic

[barren ocean]

Scan sell them as a podcast bundle, I thought they'd be okay together if that was the case.

[elder thistle]

you may be able to do something with software on windows to digitally boost the mic volume

[barren ocean]

Any suggestions on software?

[elder thistle]

no 😅

I tried to see if I could do that to my interface's inputs in the old windows sound control panel, but the mic gain option wasn't there

maybe equalizer APO but I have no idea how it could be used for microphones

or if

guessing you've maxed out discord settings already

[barren ocean]

Yeh discord is maxed out

[warm scarab]

eq apo

[warm scarab]

works the same as it does for headphones honestly

you just specify the recording device from the device selection and add whatever filter

[barren ocean]

Thanks folks i think eq apo sorted it out for me 🙂

[steel escarp]

I sold the Chord Qutest

[sweet moon]

I am torn between getting the AirPods Pro 2 or the Sony WF-1000XM5's. I do like the sound of the XM5's more and the connection of AirPods Pro 2 more, but the foam tips on the xm5's seem to not be sold directly by Sony and only third party brands are available, anyone here has long-term experience with the xm5's and how the foam tip holds up etc?

[unique wind]

W

[vivid wing]

Best iem for audio (no mic need) ? Preferably under 100 but over is ok

[haughty girder]

Just music?

Do you know your sound preferences

[vivid wing]

for gaming

blessing 3s are expensive

[haughty girder]

O

anything works for gaming really

But one of the most tonally balanced and value iems right now are the Truthear Zero Reds

[vivid wing]

its just that the starfield and the aria from moondrop are never in stock

[vivid wing]

mk

[haughty girder]

because they have been replaced

Starfield 2 and Aria 2

[vivid wing]

But are they better?

[haughty girder]

not really

[vivid wing]

Ive heard aria 2s are worse

im not sure about starfield

[haughty girder]

Truthear zero reds are kinda the king of sub 100 iems

[vivid wing]

kk

[haughty girder]

if you want a warmer sound, you could consider the Simgot EM6L

it has more bass

[vivid wing]

oh alr ty

[haughty girder]

Truthear Nova is also solid IF you want a set tuned strictly to harman ie

and overall pretty solid IMO if you fix the recessed mids of Harman IE using EQ

[vivid wing]

Ive checked the novas, their over my budget sadly

[haughty girder]

but assuming you don't want to spend more than you have to, even 20 dollar iems could do actually

if you can find a Truthear Hola, they're solid

Salnotes Zero is decent, I didn't like Zero 2 though

Wan'er is also alright but a little grainy in the upper mids and midbass

Moondrop LAN is not bad, but a tad overpriced imo

Kiwi ears Cadenza is just the Hola with more uppermids/treble

everything else at the price point either sucks or I haven't tried

[vivid wing]

Oh wow, you've tried all of the ones you just listed???

[haughty girder]

yea

I either tried or own

Moondrop Chu is also meh if you're not specifically looking for the tuning it has

Tin T2 was outdated 4 years ago so even though there's a lot of reviews on it, don't bother

[vivid wing]

I was told it was a great budget choice

[haughty girder]

Tripowin lea hasn't really been relevant for a couple years now, the stock cable is literally unusable

[haughty girder]

It used to be when it first launched

but then the other 20 dollar iems came out and were better

[vivid wing]

mk

[vivid wing]

Oh i see

[haughty girder]

Ie. the Hola, Wan'er, Salnotes Zero

I still use it from time to time because it is a brighter sound signature (more treble)

[vivid wing]

I will pretend i understand what that is

[haughty girder]

Eh basically I'm just saying not everyone will like the Chu

oh and avoid the Chu 2

[vivid wing]

mk

[vivid wing]

KK

Aria 2 is also a avoid or is it decent

[haughty girder]

Avoid

[vivid wing]

Starfield?

2

[haughty girder]

Everything Moondrop except Lan (on discount) is avoid

[vivid wing]

kk

[haughty girder]

I have not tried Moondrop May, so far other people say it's ok but I'll need to find a pair or buy one

[vivid wing]

Is it also a avoid?

[haughty girder]

I don't know yet

[vivid wing]

mk

[haughty girder]

I can't say avoid, but I also can't recommend since I haven't used it

[vivid wing]

kk

[haughty girder]

it's too new

[vivid wing]

IEMs are something you have to try on yourself to find a good/bad one right?

[haughty girder]

Sort of

there's a general tier list at each price point

but all the decent or better iems becomes very preference based

[vivid wing]

Oh i see

[haughty girder]

Truthear Hola and Zero red (not blue) are just pretty safe choices

Zero and Wan'er following behind

[vivid wing]

Whats the differences in red and blue?

[haughty girder]

Red has better tuning, and is basically a revision of the Blue

[vivid wing]

Oh i see

[lean grove]

who is that hansome fellow

[unique wind]

[molten lotus]

Think this will actually sound better

[warm scarab]

why did you eq in bass falloff lmao

[candid whale]

I got a question

Do any of you know Gaming headsets that are cheap (60-70€) and very good sounding?

[chrome nymph]

Killer sound system

[buoyant vale]

💀

[elder thistle]

I wouldn't suggest taking audio advice so literally

moondrop is generally a leading brand against truthear and 7hz and such, but again it's super preference based

you should expect an explanation of why someone thinks it was bad for them specifically

[warm scarab]

it isn't really

the crossover between different iem diaphragms can be a world's difference

and it isn't a difference that appears on basic measurements

[elder thistle]

it's like letting someone choose your career path and saying "skip, skip, skip, maybe, skip, yes 100% this one"

kinda hard to watch

and yes it's still crazy subjective

I don't care what the crossover and diaphragm are doing as long as something sounds good to me

someone can chase techs, dynamics, stage, bass control, frequency response etc and end up in 5 different valid and optimal places with their product choices

even then, those attributes are sometimes substantially subjective within themselves

e.g the m50x

or the k361

[vivid wing]

Oh alr

Im not a audiophile so the the type of sound Im not too into and I don't understand lmao. But I recently my headphones broke so Im looking for a replacement

[elder thistle]

moondrop chu's are supposedly better with hearing what each instrument's doing when all are playing at once

instead of being mashed together

but the latter is also a style

[warm scarab]

outdated

[muted mural]

for me i tend to notice treble alot in some headphones

its why i cant really use sonys wh stuff the treble can sometimes be pretty ehhhh

[haughty girder]

except when you're selling a 150 dollar single dd iem

when your bass completely bleeds into the mids and what you get is somewhat coherent mud that's not garbage only because your driver quality is ok

[haughty girder]

Moondrop is leading as in it's older then sure

It's also completely normal for the apprentice to surpass the teacher, as is the case with the many brands on the market today

moondrop may have pioneered this space, many other companies are now taking charge and moondrop is living on reputation alone

When iems are both objectively and subjectively worse than a different option, there's no "ohh but it's just preference"

Otherwise what you get is kz's same V shape every time

[elder thistle]

it's simple

if you are faced with two products and one of them is objectively and subjectively worse to one person or a bunch of people but you like it more than the other anyways, it's the superior product

no if's and's or but's

kinda cringe that some of these measurements are called objective anyways

frequency response isn't objective

and as a result nor is a lot of the other stuff

there's plenty of people reviewing moondrop products overall favorably against their competitor's equivalents for different reasons within sound quality, once again subjectively

and even when certain aspects of the sound are rarely disputed, someone may like or dislike those aspects regardless of how a different person views them

instrument separation is an easy example. some people want it, some people don't.

through my mc450 touring/review process I've found two people who discovered that strong instrument separation is not something they want for casual listening

my main complaints with the treble were only once voiced as anything more than mildy bright, despite measuring with 11db shelves and 9db peak

you should take this kind of subjectivity into account when making recommendations

everyone wins to the full extent they're able to given the provided information

[haughty girder]

send

[haughty girder]

everyone wins except for the person who is only looking to buy a solid pair of iems, not learn the entire hobby

They may ask about kz and moondrop because they've heard the brand name

[karmic latch]

Ayo, I want a replacement for laptop/monitor speakers that I'm using as a portable desktop setup. I have decent open-back headphones (HD6xx) and my laptop has a pretty good DAC, so I just want speakers with decent performance but also good volume/clarity. I also need it to be small/portable, and most importantly, cheap (absolute max I'm willing to spend is $50, but I'd ideally pay $10-$25). Not sure if I should go for a consumer-level brand (e.g. Samsung or Bose) or audiophile stuff

I'd be cool with buying stuff from China too since I won't be using this stuff until mid-January

Also, to clarify, I primarily would use this in wired with my laptop's DAC, but having bluetooth as an option is nice.

[elder thistle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/xtnokk/dear_iem_folks_moondrop_chu_or_salnotes_zero_the/

https://hifimaniac.com/moondrop-chu-vs-tangzu-waner-sg-comparison-2023/

[elder thistle]

there is not a whole lot of audiophile stuff at this price I think

[karmic latch]

Not even used? rip

[elder thistle]

used maybe

I mean there's the creative pebbles which I've seen mentioned, but no idea how they sound

[weak rapids]

The used SM7B market in Canada is something else, new is $530 CAD and used is $250 CAD

[elder thistle]

those are like conventional pc speakers

[karmic latch]

Does wattage correspond to volume?

Like does more watts usually mean higher volume in this price range?

[elder thistle]

yes, but nobody really knows the true wattage

they're able to lie

well these are super used and comparably large, but as far as detail capability and neutrality they'll have an edge over pc speakershttps://www.ebay.com/itm/276239889238?

idk if it's worth the risk

they have almost no bass too, but that's expected of pc speakers

[karmic latch]

The size is def a huge drawback; I have a habit of buying too much stuff and need to be able to control it xd

I found a sound test of the pebbles so I'm listening to those with my sennheisers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvwdJKL24c&t=199

[elder thistle]

wo

not sure what he's recording these with but I like the pebble pro personally, even without the sub

but

the v3 sounds like it is potentially more balanced and he's just running the volume so loud that it's being limited

[karmic latch]

I can't tell if I like the pebble pro or Pebble Plus w/ subwoofer more

[elder thistle]

which would make it sound worse

I'd try to find another sound demo

[karmic latch]

Tbh that tells me that the max volume is too low

As a novice

[elder thistle]

we don't know what it's relative to

these could be playing at 95db or something

[karmic latch]

Nvm he said he boosted the v3s in software

But they all sounded the same volume irl

[elder thistle]

listen at 4:10, that song

the first one it's distorting a lot

the 2nd one it's being limited instead. which means brickwall compression as a less messy alternative to distortion

the 3rd one (pebble pro) sounds more dynamic

I'm hearing the vocals get ducked hard when the snare or bass plucks come in, audible around the 2nd half of that demo of the v3

I don't think at least that portion of the test is useful for telling how they sound

he botched it

[karmic latch]

Honestly fair, but he gives more detail about his thoughts later on and he says v1 distorts, pro is slightly better than v3 quality wise, and the plus (subwoofer one) is good for games because the subwoofer rounds stuff out

So it seems like pros are a good choice regardless of the v3s?

[elder thistle]

if you wish to take his word for it, yes

the sound of the v3 in the demo is not the sound he is reviewing if he actually tested out and used the speakers normally

[karmic latch]

Yee ik, he claims that he daily drives the v3 and he likes it better than the pros for the cost

But the sound test isn't great

[elder thistle]

it's sometimes necessary to take a leap of faith, but personally I would look for more consensus

someone here may have some thoughts too

[karmic latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ociB35RaU8&t=4m25s

v3 seems kinda underwhelming here tbh

No low end

[karmic latch]

So apparently Lenovo doesn't sell the Pros but they sell the T100s and I apparently $90 of credit at Lenovo

[fervent tangle]

Are these worth 130 usd? https://www.newegg.com/beyerdynamic-490970-silver-black/p/0TH-00JD-00076?

[haughty girder]

xd

top commment

[lean grove]

Yes

[coarse pike]

i got some new 80 ohm headphones for christmas, for some reason the base sounds like it doesnt exist, the mids are really mid/quiet and the topend is hearable

with windows sound at 100%

I just plugged into the back panel audio

front panel is ths same

I may need an amp

[lean grove]

Which headphones

[coarse pike]

now my old headphones sound like ass too

[coarse pike]

DT 770 pro

80 ohm

its likely a config issue

i plugged in a little sound card thing i got with my old razar headphones and they work fine now

both old ones and new ones

[tame vault]

Unless the sensitivity is really low you shouldn't need an amp until you're into the triple digits.

[coarse pike]

its defo a config issue but idk what i fucked up

[viscid tangle]

I can get the Sennheiser HD 660s for USD 200, right now. My primary music choice is metal/rock. Is this a good deal?

[odd gyro]

What is a delta olefin diaphragm?

[silent haven]

No

Stay away from senn

[lean grove]

660s is a weird version of the Sennheiser line which cuts out the bass. If you're able to, try and find a hd600 or a hd650

[elder thistle]

weard

didn't realize the 660s had that steep of bass roll-off

what about with eq? will it exceed the hd600 in instrument separation for example? maybe stage?

[viscid tangle]

Probably why they are so cheap from retail, sennheiser is selling a bunch of them refurbished

https://www.ebay.com/itm/374434074670?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3D7b4a8c0553cb44969d199caf691886ba%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D374434074670%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2%26brand%3DBrand&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3A9f48d2a518c0ab8e0de630c8fffd89ca|pageci%3A20345b04-a2e0-11ee-9a20-ce3e97c43aaa|iid%3A1|vlpname%3Avlp_homepage https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com/en-US/p/hd-660-s-refurbished/cl80a2wm866rw0bw5fnay84gh/?_gl=1*1c0t2j7*_up*MQ.._gaNDkyMjYwMjY4LjE3MDM0ODExODA._ga_14XDRM6LGGMTcwMzQ4MTE3OS4xLjEuMTcwMzQ4MTE3OS4wLjAuMA..

HD 650/600 does exceed the budget even as refurbished 😔

https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/sundara-openbox.html?gclid=CjwKCAiAyp-sBhBSEiwAWWzTnmX445OHooWB-mP7JmkGmJssBJMMdJwEfBtx4bs7mQKD9rG5lFUp3RoCOyMQAvD_BwE I did find this one still exceeds budget but only 40 compared to $100

I won't be running these with an amp or dac for a month

[elder thistle]

that shouldn't be much of a problem

you can get like 90-97% of the way there with a <$10 dongle dac

[viscid tangle]

I already have an interface with a headphone jack can that power it pretty well it's a behringer umc22

[rose jacinth]

It's the Rode Procaster good

[west crypt]

is the fifine sc3 worth getting for my rode usb podmic?

[fickle ruin]

So I currently have the Sennheiser HD400s and I'm looking for new headphones less than £200. I've got the AKG K371 which I love, but my ears do touch the drivers which is uncomfortable. Any reccomendations? I would like closed back

[ember pilot]

What would be the best wired headset for around $125?

[lean grove]

Pc37x

[ember pilot]

Actually, budget is now $150

[lean grove]

Pc38x if you can squeeze it in.

[woven zealot]

My Christmas present to myself.

[elder thistle]

is it dangerous

[lean grove]

It's got three gain switches

That's 50% more than most of the most dangerous amps out there

[woven zealot]

I looking at buying IEM's now

[elder thistle]

headphones when using dangerous amps

[random isle]

I just got the EPOS H6pro headset but for some reason i cant hear people talking in videos or vc. Does anyone know why this is?

[shadow stag]

hey, any suggestions for audio hardware friendly for a user with hearing aids?

[haughty girder]

what kind of hearing aid?

[shadow stag]

over the ear, i think

im looking for compact monitors, suggestions?

[haughty girder]

budget?

[shadow stag]

low but also dont want to cheap out

i also have tight desktop space

and im interested in having excellent frequency response

preferably 30hz

[lean grove]

Get some Kali lp6's and a Kali subwoofer.

[ember pilot]

is the hyperx cloud alpha a good headset?

i'm gonna get the non-wireless one

it's on clearance at the micro center near me

[shadow stag]

preferably stereo, as i said, i use hearing aids

[unique wind]

compact monitors that extend to 30hz aren’t really a thing

[shadow stag]

what's the max it goes?

[unique wind]

you can get like 50hz with neumann or genelec studio monitors

[shadow stag]

and are there compact subs?

i found some jbl monitors that are cheap

can i ask about music-related audio tech here too?

im looking for a light guitar and i think i have electrical interference around my components

despite having a gold plated audio components on the motherboard

i dont have an audio interface

[unique wind]

you’d probably get better advice in a different discord server for that

[shadow stag]

fair enough

[unique wind]

this server is pretty consumer and listening oriented not production

[shadow stag]

understood

well, audio interfaces fall in it, right?

[ember pilot]

anyone know the answer

[unique wind]

yeah i think @warm scarab or @lean grove could recommend you an audio interface

[warm scarab]

budget?

[shadow stag]

very low but not cheaping out, and argentina prices here

[warm scarab]

can you give me a number man

[shadow stag]

like less than 100 usd

[warm scarab]

get a behringer um2

[shadow stag]

anything 192khz 32 bits?

[warm scarab]

do you know what 192khz and 32 bits do

[shadow stag]

yes

i know that realistically its pointless

[warm scarab]

its literally useless

why do you want this

[shadow stag]

pro audio

[warm scarab]

pro audio doesn't use 192khz

or 32 bit

do you know why

because they are pros, they understand its useless

[shadow stag]

oscilloscope music warrants 192khz for visual fidelity because of the frequencies used

24/32 bits is used by DAWs for instance

so 16 bits 48khz is what everyone uses for processing audio?

[warm scarab]

192khz and 48khz shouldn't matter visually

[shadow stag]

it does matter especially when you use higher frequencies

drawing a mushroom with audio needs it for instance

[warm scarab]

you want to use an interface as an osscilloscope?

[lean grove]

That is usually a dirty 50hz unless you get the 8 inch woofers.

[warm scarab]

for 20-20khz it doesn't matter

[shadow stag]

for outputting to a oscilloscope, sure why not

[warm scarab]

I don't know what an interface is supposed to do for an oscilloscope

can't help you with that

[shadow stag]

output 1:1 crystal clear audio?

[warm scarab]

you can't do that with an audio interface because its being digitalized

and made into analog again while playing back

to be 1:1 it needs to be analog

[lean grove]

https://www.kaliaudio.com/

[warm scarab]

you could say that 192khz might be good enough for the purpose (which I don't know about) but it isn't 1:1

you can't get 1:1 with an interface

[shadow stag]

ah, are there analog interfaces? are built in audio codecs/chips in pcs also digitized?

[lean grove]

Compact sub gets down to 27hz.

[warm scarab]

codec entails its digital

which isn't analog

[shadow stag]

okay then, i understand

[warm scarab]

what are you trying to establish here I am confused

[shadow stag]

excuse my dumbness

[warm scarab]

like what is the use for this interface

I legit don't understand the situation so I can't help you

[shadow stag]

its fine, one use is outputting to a oscilloscope, another is using it with a electric guitar and maybe a mic, which is more reasonable

i dont need to go very hi-fi because of conversion shenanigans?

[warm scarab]

so it is ultimately for music?

[shadow stag]

yes

[warm scarab]

You don't need 192khz.

[shadow stag]

okay

[warm scarab]

get an um2 and be done with it

[shadow stag]

and if i need more inputs/outputs?

[warm scarab]

I thought you needed this to read super high refresh rates

[shadow stag]

and loopback

[warm scarab]

for measuring signals with an oscilloscope

[warm scarab]

well you would get a bigger interface or a mixer

[shadow stag]

that's a interesting route too

[warm scarab]

it isn't useful for making music

its for reading signals

[shadow stag]

well, what's the cheapest i can go with a mixer?

also interested in doing no-input mixing with it

[warm scarab]

I am not very knowledgeable about mixers

can't help you with that

[shadow stag]

its okay, thanks for the response

[warm scarab]

np

[shadow stag]

so um2 for audio interface then?

[warm scarab]

yeah its a pretty okay interface

@haughty girder might be able to help with a mixer

[shadow stag]

and audio cables that have good electrical interference protection?

what i should be looking out for?

[shadow stag]

for lower it needs to be bigger? kali is a highly recommended brand?

[lean grove]

Kali is recommended yes. They are offshoots of JBL.

And with speakers, if you want deep bass, they either need to be big or they need to have a lot of power and not be able to play loud.

The compact sub from kalis will not fill a big room, but at a desktop it's more than loud enough.

[shadow stag]

jbl are cheaper here

[lean grove]

JBL is good too.

Lsr305 and they have a matching sub

[warm scarab]

any should work

you shouldn't be too concerned

[lean grove]

JBL 310s

[shadow stag]

im seeing jbl 1104 series

[lean grove]

The 104?

[shadow stag]

oh yeah, 104 , series 1

sorry, i misread the publication ate the space

[lean grove]

Those are pretty decent but if you want any bass you'll need a subwoofer.

[shadow stag]

i see

are there any monitors that have 3.5mm jacks instead?

[lean grove]

Yes but you can easily just buy a $5 cable to convert RCA to 3.5mm

[shadow stag]

lsr305 is xlr

[lean grove]

Yes. they are also trs. You can get 3.5mm to dual mono TS cables and use that.

[shadow stag]

for a desktop and a small room, suggestions of monitors per se? 310s, lsr305 are a bit large it seems

would prefer if its not loud because of building neighbors

i see

[lean grove]

The smallest speakers I would say are good at the vanatoo t0

They are $400 ish and they get down to like 50hz.

There's also creative pebbles and a subwoofer which are not necessarily good. I have no idea how low the sub gets but I don't have high hopes for the 27hz you want.

[shadow stag]

30hz is fine

[lean grove]

If you use REW or some sort of room calibration they will go from "okay" to "pretty good"

[lean grove]

I would bet closer to 40 or 50. It's a cheap sub.

[shadow stag]

interesting

i meant to say that im fine with 30hz

i also would prefer if the sub doesnt overlap with the monitor

so the jbl series 1 104 is a good one for desktop use?

hmm

thanks for the information so far!

[shadow stag]

not available here

[shadow stag]

are those the dali line of subs?

i have a high pitched faint noise with my casio ctk-601 keyboard and the balance is off

[mint crag]

I am wondering if there are a good pair of wireless wifi open back headphones that are great for workstation/gaming use. I have tried looking online can can find nothing and some headphones listed as open back are not. Or, I am looking for a way to convert my SHP-9500 (or any open back headphones) to wireless if possible. I don't mind having to get a little DIY with it.

[civic cipher]

In open backs there is literally no where to put the battery in them. thats why they dont exist.

something like the FiiO BTR3K will let you "convert" normal openbacks to wireless

im sure you could find something cheaper tho

[crude sail]

I'm planning on getting a pair of headphones, AKG K702 is a good choice ? And would I need an amp to drive them ?

I used to drive my old headphones at 10% volume (32 ohm) & 109db sensitivity

[mint crag]

I have looked into those and my issue is that they are Bluetooth. I know they have a low latency mode but its still slower than a wifi 2.4g headphones correct?

[civic cipher]

deepends on the implementation if wifi is actually faster then bluetooth but yeah bluetooth itself has some nasty latency

if you want wireless headphones youre not going to get open backs

[mint crag]

dang, alright guess I am stuck tethered now. lol

[glossy pelican]

Okay so here’s the deal, I need a new gaming headset preferably nicer and worth my money… but the catch is it needs to have noise control. Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

[elder falcon]

Looking to get a better microphone for my set up potentially a xlr microphone or a USB equivalent any recommendations

[shadow stag]

is a usb or a xlr microphone better?

and do streaming and professional mics go hand-by-hand or not?

[elder falcon]

Not to sure tbh with you

[shadow stag]

wasnt really asking you per se :)

[elder falcon]

I know 😅

[haughty girder]

Budget

decent XLR setups range from about 80 bucks to thousands

[haughty girder]

depends?

XLR is more flexible but has a higher entry cost

for most people I'd honestly recommend usb and calling it a day

[elder falcon]

Maybe for the mic max 125 ish and accessories depends what I need, I'm not massively into audio so USB will be easier I can imagine but want some decent clear audio

[shadow stag]

ah suggest me a mixer? desktop size preferably

[haughty girder]

noise control is mostly down to Signal to Noise ratio (SNR), where if your mic is closer to you mouth (signal) it'll be louder than the noise

so it's really all about how close you can get the mic to your mouth

[haughty girder]

The most important part is actually a mic arm then

I'd recommend the ATR2100X usb mic from audio Technica and some random arm

[glossy pelican]

I’m talking like noise transparency and noise cancellation settings

[haughty girder]

Get it as close to your mouth as you can

[shadow stag]

im told that a cad xlr microphone is better than a $200 usb one

[haughty girder]

software will never be as effective as hardware

but I use Nvidia broadcast (rtx voice)