audio-tech

[elder thistle]

yes it's in fact not trustworthy

because:

regardless of the person doing it and how qualified* they are, it is a gross oversimplification that ignores almost all primary questions needed to determine if a headphone will be potentially good or bad for a person

this represents crinacle's opinions with unknown criteria and use case

[haughty moon]

He disclose pretty clearly how he does that
And yes he's saying that it's just his opinion.

[elder thistle]

yes but that's not how the teir list is being used right now

and it's not crinacle's fault but

[haughty moon]

K612pro are nice headphones
Really bright tho so if you are sensitive to that, probably shouldn't get them

Also, the base would probably be lacking for most people so might want to EQ that up a bit

All in all it's a good one, but would look for used instead of new.

That tier list is a nice starting point...
After that you have to watch a whole lot of reviews (take the with a grain of salt) and talk with people to make your mind about if it's worth or not to you ...

Testing them yourself is also a really good option if you can

[elder thistle]

fourmat

there's a lot of ways even 1 aspect of sound can be interpreted

alongside a lot of compromises and benefits between models yes

as for the amp thing,

well the akg k701/702 I had were pretty insensitive

with the k612 being higher ohms and basically 92db/mw sensitivity...

you may actually need an amp for louder volumes

actually wait

the akg k240s is close

sound test time

[elder thistle]

(loudness warning, if not obvious)

that's about what you can expect with a k612

better sound of course

[tawdry gale]

its cuz dt770 pro bass is just bloat

its not good bass

aurvana live bass is actually acceptable

[teal fern]

ic

[elder thistle]

waat

I mean you may like the sound of the calSE drivers structurally failing to remain rigid and distorting in the bass, how much of which is dependent on the song and how quiet you want to listen today

I wouldn't say that's practical but yes it works and it gives a unique effect to the bass

the dt770 doesn't have as much bass and it's got a notch, but it's way more controlled and not distorting

you could try eq, but it will not bring back the bass harmonic distortion

[haughty girder]

do you know if you're using asio?

or what drivers

It's a buffer issue that's solved using the driver

and it's an issue with Scarlett, not clarett interfaces

[elder thistle]

normally I would agree with that, but my 2i2 2nd gen driver was actually ass

it defied the conventions of increasing buffer size to avoid overruns

[haughty girder]

it's not exactly sensitive, but given it's high enough impedance it's actually not that hard to run

you can drive it using an apple dongle on pc

[elder thistle]

it would only overrun the least at 128 samples 44.1k. 256 had too much, so did 64

[haughty girder]

have you tried asio4all?z

ik stock Scarlett drivers are broken half the time (I use m-audio and my driver's work but are practically useless)

[elder thistle]

I prefer fl studio asio but both that and asio4all lock out some of the features and capabilities of the interface

it's now a sanding block

[haughty girder]

hmmm

I've only had to use a 2nd gen once

it was ok

but it was a 2i4 in a public recording booth in a library

[noble sorrel]

generic drivers iirc, since i'm on linux
but focusrite designed them to work fine with that

you can still configure the sample rate and buffer size

and it does happen on windows with their official drivers

[haughty girder]

oh I dunno abt linux

windows with 3rd gen I had plenty of issues on electron apps

[heady elbow]

What would you guys recommend for good headphones to fully experience the audio in the photo and play games on (if i spend money on something like this I wouldn't want to upgrade it for a long time). It doesn't need to be the highest end setup, but something far better than my current corsair virtuoso wireless. I don't know how much I would want to spend to do this and am partly asking to see how much people would recommend I spend.

[buoyant vale]

7.1
headphones
pick one

[heady elbow]

I'd appreciate it if you would respond with an actual response that explains anything. I wouldn't be here if I already knew a ton of stuff.

[elder thistle]

I would need to try those spatializers on some relevant content and the headphones I have around

with headphones, 7.1 is shorthand for spatialization processing

inaccurate labeling but yes

[lean grove]

the sennheiser hd6xx, the hd560s, and if you need a mic the PC38x would be my recommendations.
they're not "7.1" surround sound, but surround sound in my experience does more harm than good for audio. game engines do a pretty decent job of sounding good on headphones so the technology isn't really necessary imo.

[warm scarab]

7.1 on headphones isn't real

[elder thistle]

the atmos one can alledgedly be really good with content that provides a 7.1 audio stream in a way that agrees with atmos

[warm scarab]

its just filters that makes stuff sound as if it is wider at the cost of audio quality and accuracy, any headphone that does that natively will outdo it

[lean grove]

yeah atmos is pretty neat. but the content that can use atmos is pretty slim and you dont need to invest in specific headphones to get a license.

[heady elbow]

alr, I see lol

[warm scarab]

tldr get a good headphone and you wont need this

[heady elbow]

I do have atmos for some of my stuff, would the sennheiser ones you mentioned support it? Or nah

actually I think I have it for most of my stuff

[elder thistle]

any stereo headphone will "support" it, but how convincing it actually sounds will still in part depend on the headphones

[warm scarab]

you can make any headphone support it

its just software

in any case it isn't something you would want

[lean grove]

they'll support anything your PC does. so you'd need to get dolby atmos for pc or dolby access, i forget which one. there's nothing special that a 7.1 surround sound headset does that a normal headphoen cant do. its just software and DRM.

so if you get the software, it will be compatible.

[heady elbow]

DRM, my favorite lmao.

[warm scarab]

what sort of budget are you looking at

[heady elbow]

thanks for the help tho, I'll refer back to this whenever I do buy stuff.

[lean grove]

theres also a free softare called HeSuVi which is kinda clunky and hard to use, but once you get it working you can choose between a bunch of different brand's implimentation of surround sound. including atmos.

[warm scarab]

thats interesting input

[heady elbow]

that's the thing, I haven't looked at audio stuff for quite a while so no real hard numbers were in my head. I was partly looking to see what people would recommend to get the most out of it without it being the highest end setup.

[warm scarab]

i might try it out as well im curious

[warm scarab]

for 500$ you can get a good setup imo

max 550$

[heady elbow]

Last time I bought headphones I spent like 200, so I was expecting above that lol

[warm scarab]

you can get nice stuff for 200$ as well

it wont be anything mindblowing but a notch above most stuff available

[heady elbow]

When it comes to a microphone tho, I do actually have a specific request. I NEED to be able to use sidetone and hear myself, and listening to the device on windows or whatever doesn't cut it.

my current headset has that and I don't think I can go back anymore, I've tried

[warm scarab]

just buy an open back headphone

hear yourself directly

lol

no need for software or hardware to emulate that

gaming headsets that sound like anechoic chambers who rely on sidetone I hate

you don't want headphones with that good of a seal except for outdoors

[heady elbow]

luckily mine is honestly pretty good, it doesn't sound too different if I take off the headphones and talk

but as long as I can hear myself, idc if they have it

[warm scarab]

do you know what an open back headphone is?

[unique wind]

for sure

it's a shame that the headband on XS is so awful because otherwise that + $100 amp would make anyone happy

[warm scarab]

they made aftermarket suspension bands for xs michael

[heady elbow]

I probably wouldn't be able to tell you the difference, but i know the HD6XX are some

[warm scarab]

do you know that what is like different

in terms of how its built

[unique wind]

when youre wearing a pair of truly open back headphones you dont have any background noise cancellation

[warm scarab]

what I am getting at is

the back is literally open

[unique wind]

you can hear your room and your voice clearly

like theres nothing on your head

[warm scarab]

it isn't really like wearing headphones in terms of how the outside sounds

[heady elbow]

then i'm probably not gonna need any sidetone lol

[warm scarab]

you don't have lots of sound isolation, you can hear yourself normally while talking

[unique wind]

it gives a much more natural sound compared to the fishbowl audio effect that closed backs give you

[warm scarab]

yeah

that's what I was trying to say

[unique wind]

closed backs are inherently flawed devices that are almost impossible to design without using digital signal processing

and will sound quite different from person to person

in comparison to open backs

[warm scarab]

anyhow, unless you have a particularly noisy environment in terms of sound you wont get better than open backs

[heady elbow]

the loudest thing near me is my AC

[warm scarab]

that might be a bit annoying but personally id take the minor annoyance over the sound quality

[unique wind]

@warm scarab buy the KZ bass cannons

that black ugly line is my estimation of red + impedance adapter

[warm scarab]

is the castor new

[unique wind]

i forgot i added that

[unique wind]

relatively

it was KZ's attempt at making a truthear nova for like $13

there's a nova-clone version and a bass cannon version

[warm scarab]

kz engineers doing their best to make progressively worse iems

[unique wind]

idk it might be fun for some older music that has no bass

[warm scarab]

sub bass yeah

midbass nah

and older music tends to respond really bad to emphasized sub bass

they are generally already really low in bass resolution due to loudness wars, when you emphasize it even further it just becomes hyper mud

[elder thistle]

these all look like they have too much bass

for my liking

[wintry mirage]

anyone know of any free and easy to use apps or settings to play on 2 audio devices at once

i want to use the bluetooth output and headphone out on my pc at the same time for different devices

[lean grove]

look into virtual audio cables. im not too familair with exactly what to use but ive used them before to to this

[wintry mirage]

oh ye i got a app for that

just found it a bit complicated

figured it out now

[warm scarab]

even considering they are iems?

those have good reasons to have emphasized bass

[unique wind]

stock truthear red definitely doesnt have too much bass

[steel escarp]

well I did it

got a 1500 euro dac

now I no longer enjoy audio

[unique wind]

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

are you planning on using it with the dt880

[steel escarp]

I am using it right now with dt880

with proper ear placement you can avoid most of the treble

I paired the dac with the 100 euro iFi Audio iPower X

[warm scarab]

why

[unique wind]

literally me

when grey tells me that he bought a bad dac for 1500

[warm scarab]

I don't care if the dac is good or bad

but all this for dt880

[unique wind]

stop chasing distortion profiles that have not been proven to be audible and just buy a well measuring source chain

[unique wind]

dt880 best headphone surely

it's the pinnacle

[steel escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632717914134413324/1185661291516416030/20231216_201407.jpg?ex=65906c20&is=657df720&hm=ace00b55bc63568f9dd3de13fad02f64a3377218ac2e92c67945ca695c1483e2&

[steel escarp]

the dac is great

it does what it is supposed to

[unique wind]

i would sure hope it does

[warm scarab]

mojo 2?

[steel escarp]

Chord Qutest

[unique wind]

best dac

[steel escarp]

...

[lean grove]

the hidden feature of the chord dacs is you can open the dacs internals and pull the marbles out and swallow them whole

[steel escarp]

Yall just jealous I got the infinity stones built into my DAC

[warm scarab]

i could probably consume grey and get away with it

[unique wind]

ill help pay for your travel fees to test that out

[steel escarp]

I cannot legally carry

in europe

[unique wind]

klaus is bulletproof anyway

[warm scarab]

you live in europe

[steel escarp]

I do

dont you live in turkey

[warm scarab]

why are you saying you can't carry

that is a given

[steel escarp]

legally

[warm scarab]

yes

"i live in turkey the sun rises from the east"

[steel escarp]

I love maxing out the volume knob on my amp

[muted imp]

... Huh. I actually never heard of the D70 Pro until now.

[unique wind]

quite pricey but it's the best measuring dac as far as im aware

[steel escarp]

measure baiter

[unique wind]

youre chasing distortion profiles that are not proven to be audible

[steel escarp]

you started talking about measurements

[warm scarab]

but michael

that is what you are doing

[steel escarp]

my dac has galvanic isolation

[warm scarab]

if it's inaudible in the 1st place why do you need something good measuring

[unique wind]

you dont

i would never tell someone that you could notice the difference between a $100 dac and that d70 pro

but the fact remains that it's the best dac

[steel escarp]

I am using dt880 without EQ

I gave up

[hidden cipher]

No cheap earbuds needs a name this agressive

[steel escarp]

okay now that I paused the music for a second my ears hurt like hell

[unique wind]

eye of killing god lmao

[warm scarab]

would

[lean grove]

a lot of dacs these days are maxing out the apx555. they inflate their numbers by having a higher output. and without a point average and standard deviation, "best measuring" is a matter of luck.

[steel escarp]

Chord has a completely custom dac implementation

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-ok-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-saul-breaking-bad-gif-24188570

[unique wind]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-ok-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-saul-breaking-bad-gif-24188570

[lean grove]

i wanna hear a NOS r2r

holo cyan

[unique wind]

im glad your $1500 binary to voltage conversion box works as intended grey

i would hope it does

[lean grove]

https://www.kitsunehifi.com/product/holo-audio-cyan-2-dac/

after i upgrade my speakers i think this is next

[steel escarp]

it makes everything sound like shit

I hear now that every song is mastered like dog water

[unique wind]

that price is insane but it looks cool

[lean grove]

DCS bartok is insanely priced.

this is almost affordable.

[unique wind]

now that is downright gorgeous

[warm scarab]

id really like a holo may

and a normal measuring dac

[steel escarp]

imagine if I came into your house just to leave a scratch mark on that perfectly finished surface

[unique wind]

LOL

$20k to convert binary

get the fuck out of here

[steel escarp]

I use the Schiit RCA cables

[unique wind]

i use uhhhh

CESS branded cables

nice quality for a cheap price

[steel escarp]

what do I do now with my silver 4.4mm to dual xlr interconnect cable special made by antonio

I spent 80 bucks on that mfer

[muted imp]

My budget-mindedness at the back of my mind is looking at this in paranoia right now. Lmao.

[steel escarp]

the bigger the audiophile the bigger the hearing damage

[unique wind]

i think thats just your dt880s

[steel escarp]

I am using he1000 stealth rn

ima be honest, the zen dac signature v2 was completely fine

the money spent on the Chord Qutest was just for the sake of it

[unique wind]

[steel escarp]

I am the kind of mfer to listen to bright headphones while having my monitor brightness turned up to max (blinding)

[unique wind]

max brightness for the win

do you know how many nits the display you're using sustains at fullscreen 100%?

im using one that does about 450 and it's on the edge of being too much

my other monitor will do 750 and that genuinely made my eyes water when i got flashbanged in games

[steel escarp]

the zen dac signature sounds a bit warmer and fuller

honestly its more coherent

maybe I change my opinion in a few days

okay I now got the output voltage matched

volume matched too

@unique wind @warm scarab @lean grove its almost impossible to tell the difference between the 2 dacs if I am completely honest

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632030574588198941/928832964761112586/ezgif.com-gif-maker_11.gif

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/jinki948-cat-shocked-shocked-face-shock-gif-22585372

[steel escarp]

the only thing I notice is the qutest taking the edge off everything a tiny bit

it just ends up making the zen dac sound more detailed

[unique wind]

[warm scarab]

if I had made as many bad audio purchases as you have I would honestly stop admitting it

[unique wind]

the truth has been revealed

[warm scarab]

for that I commend you

[elder thistle]

gongle

[languid kernel]

Anyone see Dan's short circuit on the Edifier speaker that just released? Any thoughts?

[lean grove]

edifier generally makes decent stuff.
i dont like how aggressively they marketed to the "gamer" industrail aesthetic. tells me its more expensive than it needs to be. at $200, edifier has better speakers.

better stereo speakers

i think they have a mono bluetooth speakers too. the D12 and MS50A.

[elder thistle]

does it deserve to exist

guessing we're talking about the qd35

[haughty girder]

I think this is just ur standard bt speaker

A competitor to those Ikea speakers yk

for a room with a gamers aesthetic, not for actual sonic performance

[unique wind]

goofiest speaker ever

[lean grove]

which ikea speaker

cuz they have some that dont look too bad

[surreal veldt]

does anyone known a good wireless headset for around 100 euro (idc about the microhpone because im buying a studio microphone)
im gonna use it for gaming mainly

[fresh saddle]

looks expensive

how much should I pay for dt 770s

[warm scarab]

40$

and a gum

[buoyant vale]

[deep raven]

$0 and then toss them in the garbage

[fresh saddle]

yeah thanks

what about hd 555

[warm scarab]

worse than the 770 tbh

rare find

[fresh saddle]

lol

what about sony wh100xm5s

saw a pair for 400nzd

[warm scarab]

can be alright with eq but the use purple of every headphone you mentioned is different what do you want

[fresh saddle]

ill just get some hd681

[wheat moss]

why do those look like an akg ripoff, but with a sennheiser name, but not even from sennheiser

[fresh saddle]

they are k240 rip offs

[lean grove]

are you asking why a chinese electronics company would rip off a design from a bigger brand?

[wheat moss]

[fresh saddle]

theres also the samson sr 850

which you guessed it

are also akg rip offs

[lean grove]

cant think of a worse headphone to rip off

but i guess all they need to do is make it pretty enough to sell on amazon

[fresh saddle]

yeah for budget headphones the hd681 and sr 850 aren't bad

[lean grove]

what makes you say that

[tawdry gale]

those are terrible

even for budget standards

[fresh saddle]

thats what I heard

[lean grove]

From who

[fresh saddle]

idk

[ornate linden]

man was groomed by deafpods

[light maple]

hey people , i need help buying headphones and i am really confused on what to do

can some god sent angel help me out here

[proud moth]

What are you looking for in a headphone?

[light maple]

noice cancellation and not excess bass

should be comfortable

[proud moth]

honnestly the bose headphones are really good

lightweight, exelent cancelation, comfortable, not too much bass

[light maple]

i was looking at Sennheiser HD 400s and Audio-Technica Ath-M20X , any opinions on these ??

[proud moth]

those are not goiung to have noise cancelation

is that a needed feature

[light maple]

nah , not mandatory

sound quality is the main thing

[proud moth]

The hd 400s are good

[light maple]

ps i am third world dweller , so anything over 60 dollars and i will have to sell my soul to the bank devils and get an emi

[proud moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIryezhAos

check out this video

there are some really decent cheap headphones out there

[light maple]

ohh alright , ill go ahead and buy that . Thanks a lot for you help , i am very thankful and grateful for it .

[light maple]

ahh yes , the aussie dank techie , thanks for the link ill go watch it right ahead .

[tepid torrent]

do not check out that video

[proud moth]

i cant tell if this is passive agressive or genuine

[light maple]

why ?? because its 3 years old ??

[tepid torrent]

dankpods is not exactly a reliable source for headphone advice

[light maple]

ohh

[proud moth]

but its not entirely wrong

[wheat moss]

don't get your audio recommendations soley from a drummer

[tepid torrent]

the only reason why hes popular is because teenagers formed a cult of personality around him

[wheat moss]

no matter how good you are at protecting your ears, drumming for as long as wade has will do damage

[tepid torrent]

every headphone he recommends are easily beat by another headphone at their price range

and most of the hps he recommends are not good

[wheat moss]

as with literally anything, get your information from multiple sources

[tepid torrent]

aside from hd600

[light maple]

what about the Sennheiser HD 400s , are they good ??

[silent haven]

dankpods

[jade pond]

Yo, I need assistance finding a better mic. I currently have the razor siren mini and I really just want something a little more professional and better sounding. If anyone has a recommendation please just ping me.

[tawdry gale]

ass

[tawdry gale]

no

[warm scarab]

not really

[supple robin]

avoid both

[supple robin]

they are all crap

[supple robin]

heres the headphones:
ksc75 or ksc75x - new (open back)
maybe k361/k371 if you can get them used - used (closed)

il let others recommend other headphones

[elder thistle]

wired headphones won't have noise cancellation, only isolation

I don't know what the prices of items and their availability is in your country

[supple robin]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-NC-60-Active-Cancelling-Headphones-Black/dp/B074DZ39QJ/

this ones acoustic https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bose-QuietComfort-Around-Ear-Cancelling-Headphones-Black/dp/B00M1NEUKK?th=1

im not recommending either headphone these are ones ive found, the first one requires batteries to power the anc as that wont be powered via an aux port

[elder thistle]

woah

[zenith cedar]

I need a replacement driver for my dt880. Is this what in looking for?

[nova wagon]

https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/system-dt-880-series.html
you could get it from beyer themselves

[blazing minnow]

Y’all pray for me to have the strength to wire an amp and sub in my 2021 Honda accord

[lean grove]

im praying for your downfall.

[tiny zealot]

What are the bass levels like on the dt770 pros?

[elder thistle]

not as blown up as the m50x

on mine it's basically neutral because the pads are worn down. otherwise it's like 5-7db extra. I don't like that 80hz dip, makes it hard for mixing

[steel escarp]

I can really hear the difference between my standard S/PIDF cable and my gold plated one

I guess it was 300 euro well spent

[elder thistle]

blind tested?

[steel escarp]

sorry I meant toslink/optical

I need to replace all my cables with optical

[jolly vine]

Ifi uno vs topping DX1? I use Sennheiser hd560s and sometimes Sennheiser hd58x

[steel escarp]

the ifi amps have too much gain and are not good for lower volume listening

I'd just get the topping

the fiio k3 also exists

[molten lotus]

I love it when my speakers vibrate the glass in my window to the point I can hear it 😍

[jolly vine]

So you mean even when the low gain switches on, and you have the volume low that there's a noise? I'm just trying to understand what you mean. Im new to this

[steel escarp]

ifi stuff has really bad volume knobs, one ear will be louder than the other below 40% volume

but around 50% volume its too loud

so you don't have much room to play with the volume knob before running into a channel imbalance or turning up the volume too loud

[jolly vine]

Interesting

[molten lotus]

I think my speakers are literally making me feel like I need to puke

[hollow robin]

I'm assuming this hot trash?, https://shop.platinaudio.us/products/monaco-5-1-2

[inland bobcat]

Fixed my cd player

[supple robin]

not sure but they tend to have high highs maybe look at k361 and or k371 for that price

[fresh cargo]

Hilarious 🤣 Not certain everyone will get the sarcasm though 😁

[hollow robin]

if it's not made of liquid metal 👎🏻

[opal lark]

Anyone have some recommendations for a speaker control hub I need to to be able to switch between Bluetooth and aux

I already have speakers and a bass

[lean grove]

there are lots of speaker output switches on amazon for aux switches. otherwise maybe see with wiim has to offer in your budget

[tiny zealot]

The m50x by audio technica?
If so are they a good overall pick

As well as for gaming

[haughty girder]

AKG K361/K371, Shure SRH440/840 and Rode NTH100 are better options

all at the same or lower price

[scarlet turtle]

I wanna get the beyerdynamic dt 990 pro 80 ohms but im looking that i need an amp for them would the sc3 fifine work with them? Im looking at the website and it shows that it supports from 32 ohms to 250 but I just wanna make sure it does before I spend money on them

[steel escarp]

Do not get the dt990. It's treble is so boosted you'll mess up your hearing. For me It's impossible to listen for longer than 1 minute before fatiguing my ears.

It gives you an actual headache

[elder thistle]

but a lot of people love them

[elder thistle]

you dont really need an amp with these to get them loud

thats the point of the 80 ohm

[scarlet turtle]

Ty

[elder thistle]

I really like them for gaming yes, more than the dt770 80 ohm, srh440A and much more than k361/371

because I got higher instrument separation out of them, and I could tell the direction of sounds pretty easily

but the bass is bloated yes, and not very controlled

also a dip around 200hz which is non-ideal for half of the sound signature of footsteps

I don't usually eq it but it's an option

kind of spacious, definitely falling short of the dt770 though

m50x is a controversial headphone and people seem to have wildly different experiences

plenty who love it, plenty who don't

not as comfortable either I would say, with the earpads which are a little shallow

after an hour I'll feel it

[crisp loom]

What y'all think about chatgpt advice lol

[buoyant vale]

It should have told you to buy a blender

[elder thistle]

dac doesn't provide power, or at least not in a way that affects the headphones

it skipped gongle

which I'm not saying is the end all be all, but it's pretty damn transparent and that money could be allocated towards a different amp or headphones

my magni 3 heresy is fine. provides the same sound but louder and with more current capability

would take something pretty exotic to make me consider upgrading, possibly he6 or akg k1000

[tiny zealot]

I'd that's the case then why would I look at them as an option for gaming then

[elder thistle]

well because 1: you can still hear footsteps based on the top end, and 2. because you can eq the headphones if you wish

it's not like 200hz is just gone either, it's audible, just not boosted like most headsets

their instrument separation and their ability to let me determine frontwards vs backwards sounds were both higher than the sennheiser hd560s

especially that 2nd part

[tiny zealot]

That was another pair I had looked at previously

[elder thistle]

instrument separation is important for hearing things behind layered sounds. footsteps over gunfire, reloads over explosions, dialog over all the other sounds

[tiny zealot]

I had been talking to some other people and they warned of the m50x very poor build quality

[elder thistle]

eh? I don't think that's a common stance

shure srh440 and 840 non-a and rode nth100 have critical and common issues with the chassis breaking at the slider or adjustment bracket or the hinge

akg k361 and 371 are kinda just wireframe imo but other people commonly warn others about the build quality

m50x is a lot of plastic

a lot of metal on the sliders too

[tiny zealot]

I have been recommended the Akg a lot but they do not look very appealing to me

[elder thistle]

I should record some of those with the titanfall 2 test audio

my favorite for gaming in this pricerange is still the mc450 hands down

[tropic snow]

Has anyone ever used Bone Conduction headphones before? Specifically for use with discord?

[elder thistle]

might give the m50x an edge in telling front from back

and the mc450 is bass light and bright but...

#audio-tech message

oh I didn't send the hd560s one though

[tiny zealot]

As someone who knows pretty much nothing about audio a lot of these details that you point out will I really even notice from day to day use without actively seeking out their faults

[elder thistle]

high probability but not guaranteed

usually people who don't know a lot about sound will hear it and say "wow this is better!" but are unable to quantify or explain why it sounds better

but sometimes someone's like "doesn't sound any different than my old headset

which is rare but it happens

the point of headphones like this are to hear things that were missing before

[supple robin]

whats not appealing about them?

[warm scarab]

no

because he is advising you to get m50x

jackson why do you do this

shit headphone with poor bass resolution

zero soundstage

alright imaging

[warm scarab]

they are good

[acoustic osprey]

which one should i get for gaming.
https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/hyperx-quadcast-broadcast-mikrofon-10714120
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00N1YPXW2?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

[lean grove]

The choices aren't far off from what actually gets recommended but it's justification for each choice is the same thing over and over.

It likely learned this from scraping Reddit posts which makes sense.

[tiny zealot]

What does all of that mean

[warm scarab]

imaging is the direction sound is coming from

soundstage is how big the 3d imaginary room of the headphone is

resolution is responsivity to me

m50x bass just rumbles it doesn't slam or is detailed at all

k371 bass isn't too different but at least the frequency response saves it

[tiny zealot]

What would you recommend then for around $150 usd possibly 200
Mainly just for music and gaming

[tawdry gale]

if u want very good bass, headphones simply dont do that in that price range

iems are what I rec for bass

[warm scarab]

k371 like the previous guys said

[tawdry gale]

k371 is indeed good

[regal condor]

Hello chat, I'm looking to upgrade my setup to an xlr microphone/mixer set, I would like for some advice on stuff I can buy, I don't currently have anything but a hyperx usb microphone but I want to replace that aswell

[lean grove]

How much do you wanna spend?

[regal condor]

1k max, usd

[lean grove]

Oh yeah you can get something pretty good for that, but idk how to properly spend that budget.

Personally I would get a Motu m2 and an Aston origin. The mixer is not something I see myself using.

The elgato wave XLR and an sm58 would probably go over better for what you want.

You might have better luck asking in the podcast age discord since they're pretty much exclusively interested in this stuff.

[regal condor]

Mind passing me a link to the server then?

[lean grove]

Bot will censor it. The discord link is literally /podcastage

Vanity link.

[elder thistle]

the k361 to me is like what the m50x is to many audiophiles

m50x bass is certainly a weakpoint, it's a little boomy. this seems to happen to bass when it's frequency response has notches in certain areas. and eq restores some of this control, but not all

on the other hand, the thing I like the most about the k361 is the bass

it may even be a little shy of neutral but it's tight

[lean grove]

its better to recommend things based off of general consensus rather than just personal preference. of course its good to be aware of both, but if someone is new and they dont know what they want, if you can give them a recommendation that most people like, statistically, it will be better for them

[elder thistle]

thing is, audiophile consensus on the m50x leans way differently from the music production consensus

there's still plenty who dislike it, but it's the minority

[lean grove]

the musicians ive talked to about the subject tend to care a lot less about audio reproduction and moreso the content itself.

[elder thistle]

yes

[lean grove]

and if people were coming to musicians for audio equipment that would be relevent

but they're coming to audiophiles

for advice on good headphones

[elder thistle]

it's a mostly logical guess in terms of where to seek help

I try to absorb the advice and experiences of tons of gamers

they're commonly recommended things like the k361 and hd560s and maxwell

which are headphones popular in the audiophile space for non-gaming purposes too

and then I tried some things like normal headsets and tried to judge it's utility specific to gaming

I reached different conclusions than the common recommendations of audiophiles

so have a few other gamers but it's kinda rare to hear them talking about those headphones

then there's some audiophiles saying any headphone can do "7.1 surround sound" not just in the sense of compatibility because it's stereo but because all headphones can do it equally

there's a lot of variance in what audiophiles think is important or unimportant for gaming too

so yes, I don't have a lot of trust in the audiophile community when it comes to gaming audio

[lean grove]

gaming audio isn't as demanding as people think tho. because 99% of gamers are happily being served shit on a platter when they're buying these headsets. they've never heard good audio. and when they do, they start to see the flies and the smell what they used to like

[elder thistle]

hm... yes and no?

generally what I see when someone's sold on a pair of audiophile headphones for gaming and then they actually say something afterwards is this

"it sounds way clearer but I can't tell where things are nearly as well"

whether that actually impacts their gaming performance in any meaningful way is up for debate, but certainly non-zero

but it's something these people are frequently looking for in their next headphones/headset

[lean grove]

ive never heard that of anyone that ive recommended headphones to. its usually that they clamp too hard or theres not enough bass.

[elder thistle]

and these otherwise POS headsets generally excel in that area regarding differentiating front from back

they also sometimes boost areas of the frequency response relevant to hearing important sounds in games

I mean eq exists for the latter on normal headphones

quite a few headsets these days are below neutral in the sub bass

common in steelseries, astro, logitech iirc

but yes, the bass of an hd600 is generally seen as quiet

even hd560s sometimes

comfort issues are probably the most common I see yes

headphones in general

[elder thistle]

oh hell yes

new game for audio tests

has some kind of dolby atmos option

[cobalt hamlet]

Looking for a 50€ microphone for Christmas. I would now get either the fifine am8 or the razer sieren mini. Which of the two is better and is there anything else better for €50 (can only be ordered on Amazon

[outer jetty]

guys Im doing audio for my school theater what speakers should we use?

[lean grove]

Big ones.

[plush hedge]

This is just out of pure curiosity and no guarantee I can help you, but is there not already a stationary PA system in place?

I don't know if I am experienced enough to help you but there's a chance.

[amber trail]

what mic is this? (i dont need to know the stand)

[acoustic ravine]

Are flac files worth it over 320? I don't currently have nice headphones and a DAC/AMP, but I'm planning on getting one eventually

They're just....gigantic

[haughty girder]

320 what

actually I would say no

a well mastered 320mp3 will sound the same as any flac to basically everyone

You need to know what to look for if you're trying to hear the difference, most people don't

I'd argue 99% of people won't

if you want to test for yourself, here it is

https://abx.digitalfeed.net/

[warm scarab]

not really imo

its an incredibly insignificant difference you can barely hear in some tracks that you need full focus in order to hear in like a few seconds of the song maybe

[grim mulch]

Does anybody know if an aux cord will have better audio quality than 2.4ghz from the same headphone?

[warm scarab]

depends on the headphone

[grim mulch]

Audeze Maxwell

[warm scarab]

try?

[sudden grove]

Is £45 enough for a decent mic and webcam or should I save up more? I'm just new to audio tech and wanted to start off with a reasonable budget but don't really know what a reasonable one is...

[haughty girder]

Not enough

what kind of webcam and mic are you looking for

[sudden grove]

One which allows me to record vocal covers.

If you are asking about like what type of mic. I think there is like those xlr ones which require an audio interface??? Or usb ones. For ease of setup and probably cheaper (probably worse quality.) I'd probably go for a USB one.

I don't really know any webcam types.

[sudden grove]

What kind of money should I be spending minimum for them?

[warm scarab]

40$ ish for a mic

not sure about a camera

[hearty pollen]

so far ive only gotten the feedback of "bass is a bit weak"

[warm scarab]

same

[sudden grove]

Ah ok. So around 45 is the minimum. If that's the case. I'll try and get 60-70 saved for a decent USB mic.

[warm scarab]

you can get decent for 45$ if you want to go 70$ may as well add a bit more for an xlr setup

[sudden grove]

Ah ok. I'm talking in GBP btw not dollar my bad for not saying sooner but if that's the case I'll try to get enough saved for an xlr setup. So something like £80-120 I'm guessing?

[sudden grove]

In that case I could probably just save for a month or two after Christmas to get that if I'm lucky.

[sudden grove]

Ehat usb mic options can I get for that?

45 bucks that is.

[warm scarab]

t669

fifine

[warm scarab]

don't know your pricing but cheapest id recommend is xm8500 + behringer um2 + cheapest xlr cable + cheapest innogear arm

you can upgrade xm8500 to behringer c1 if you want better sound

[sudden grove]

I found the audio interface for £27 and a bundle with cable, mic and arm for £43 that works for me. I might consider getting a beringer c1 instead.

Thanks for the advice. Have a nice day.

https://www.andertons.co.uk/behringer-u-phoria-studio-usb-audio-interface-podcast-bundles?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=surfaces&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAm4WsBhCiARIsAEJIEzWYVG94lOvPmDpHFHygkJZqPvUjCyDcJEM0bi7nFvcc3Eev5d_iZg4aAg0eEALw_wcB

Also this bundle for £62 I'm probably gonna cop it.

Again thanks for the advice so much. Have a nice day and merry Christmas.

[warm scarab]

you are welcome

also I recommend looking up some mic techniques for the c1, its not super straightforward to use

its really simple to use but you need to set the gain lower than you would on a dynamic and get close to it

that's about it

and I advise a pop filter or a windshield for plosive protection, it isn't needed but if you want to do vocals it will help

[sudden grove]

Set the gain lower than you would on a dynamic? Seems I need to watch some tutorials on setting up a mic when I buy it.

[warm scarab]

yeah, it its all simple stuff but you need to know how it works and set it up properly at least once

[acoustic osprey]

Will i need an AMP for my hd560s for gaming

[warm scarab]

no

[acoustic osprey]

would a cheap amp be beneficial? would i notice any difference in sound

[humble moat]

I have a headphone with mic and it has a single 4pin outlet and whenever i connect it my audio part of the headphone work good but my mic doesn't work at all/it doesn't even show up on my PC, but when I use my 4pin to 2×3pin splitter for separate mic and audio , my mic part works fine but my audio of headphones get messed up by only giving out monotone and not stereo.
need help

[lean grove]

Maybe. Depends on how good of a listener you are. The cheapest to recommend would be a dongle of some sort. Apple USB headphone adapter, Meizu hifi dongle, some dongle with a cx31993 chip in it, or the fosi ds1 would be the cheap stuff to look for.

If you're the type to listen to a song over and over again trying to figure out what that one instrument is, then you'll probably be the type to obsess over amps and DACs.

[acoustic osprey]

Nah i but id love to hear every footstep and detail in games

ill just use it without an amp and get one some time later

but it will run no problem without an amp right?

[acoustic osprey]

Like this one?https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/meizu-hifi-dac-headphone-amplifier-usb-typ-c-35mm-mobilgeraet-adapter-19547633?supplier=1847143&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&campaignid=20457837530&adgroupid=&adid=&dgCidg=Cj0KCQiAm4WsBhCiARIsAEJIEzXzJZPvS0NRS3TcUxyYb4kI3wCUy01jeaKqiqc8uss02CM_gNt0XZMaAjeUEALw_wcB&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAm4WsBhCiARIsAEJIEzXzJZPvS0NRS3TcUxyYb4kI3wCUy01jeaKqiqc8uss02CM_gNt0XZMaAjeUEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[warm scarab]

literally doesn't matter if you have an amp or not

that's not what an amp does unless your headphones are shitting themselves from distortion due to another malfunctioning amp

[lean grove]

Unless youre plugging it into a McDonald's toy, it will be fine.

[lean grove]

And yes.

[acoustic osprey]

ok thanks

[daring tide]

Hey can someone recommend me a ps5 headset? So far I've been looking at the arctic 7+, budget is around 100 usd

I want something for slight gaming and voice chatting

[vestal meadow]

Cloud 2

[daring tide]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HyperX-Cloud-II-Gaming-Headset-Black-Red-Stereo-Mini-phone-3-5mm-USB-2-0-Wired-60-Ohm-10-Hz-23-kHz-Over-the-ear-Binaural-Circumaural-3-28-ft-Cable-Co/192945353?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=149&adid=22222222228192945353_149_154145455131_18504238500&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=656437207190&wl4=pla-2208308602032&wl5=9010849&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=108214235&wl11=online&wl12=192945353_149&veh=sem&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvcqF8_ybgwMVeppaBR2zqw5LEAQYASABEgJ4pfD_BwE

This one?

[vestal meadow]

Any particular requirements ? If not a cloud 2 should be good

[daring tide]

Not really, just want decent audio and a mic so I can voice chat

[vestal meadow]

Yeah this has been the go to recc for some while

[vestal meadow]

Yeah then this should do well

[daring tide]

Sick, tysm!

[vestal meadow]

Your welcome!

[haughty girder]

um2 is usable, how much more is an mtrack solo and xm8500?

[warm scarab]

i asked about mtrack to an audio engineer

he said he doesn't recommend it over um2

[haughty girder]

really.

[warm scarab]

says the pot is bad

[haughty girder]

oh

[warm scarab]

build is bad

[haughty girder]

Yes that's an m audio thing

Build is fine imo

[warm scarab]

and driver issues are a problem

i mean it is fine i don't disagree

but after speaking to him i couldn't find any reason to recommend it over um2

[haughty girder]

ok so my take is that the pot is a bit finicky because like 90% of the gain is in the last quarter turn of the knob

[warm scarab]

only has asio

what else does it have that's a + over um2

aesthetics aside

[haughty girder]

the preamps are far cleaner than the um2, if it's against the umc22 then it's a tossup

[warm scarab]

aren't those two the same price

[haughty girder]

m audio has native asio drivers whereas Behringer for umc22 and below requires use of something like asio4all which is fine

no um2 is 10 usd cheaper than m track solo, umc22 is 10 more iirc

um2 is 40usd, m track solo is 50, umc22 is 60

[warm scarab]

i wonder about eu prices

[haughty girder]

umc202hd is far better than all of these so there's that

yes EU is a bit different

[warm scarab]

think behringers may be more expensive

[haughty girder]

But while I get why the engineer doesn't recommend the mtrack solo over the um2, I find that despite its flaws the m track solo is more capable than both the um2 and umc22

umc22 is built quite a bit better though, um2 is similar to mtrack solo other than it's an even cheaper finish

[warm scarab]

driver issues set the bar higher than what solo offers imo

preamps aren't worth it

[haughty girder]

Drivers aren't really an issue

[warm scarab]

apparently they are

[haughty girder]

if you have issues with m audio stock drivers then use asio4all

[warm scarab]

not scarlett tier but

[haughty girder]

the stock drivers don't do anything other than set buffer size and sample rate

[warm scarab]

it prevents generic windows drivers from working

[haughty girder]

um2 and umc22 have nothing

[haughty girder]

never had that issue

[warm scarab]

yeah that's a good thing

it uses generic drivers

least chance of fuckup

[haughty girder]

and it does suffer quality wise because of it

[warm scarab]

how

[haughty girder]

that's why you need to use asio

[warm scarab]

asio4all

[haughty girder]

Windows audio drivers suck.

[warm scarab]

bro

[haughty girder]

everything about windows audio is bad

[warm scarab]

its literally the drivers with least chance of messing up

not like you are asking it to upsample something

[haughty girder]

if you're looking purely at functionality then sure

[warm scarab]

what are you looking at

[haughty girder]

Actual use and performance

[warm scarab]

are you saying windows drivers sound different than hardware drivers

lmao

[haughty girder]

sort of actually

[warm scarab]

unless you are forcing fx or down/upsampling

no

[haughty girder]

Not quite sound but stuff like latency is quite bad

[warm scarab]

why do you care about latency in an interface with a instrument in that has a direct feedback to the headphone socket

[haughty girder]

that said, the combo the guy sent is very cheap fwiw

[warm scarab]

if this was a studio item where the audio is broadcasted across a network or something id get it but like its a 50$ interface

[haughty girder]

oh the monitoring jack is also unusable on all of the interfaces

very high output impedance

[warm scarab]

its an input bro

[haughty girder]

Being able to mix your direct monitoring and playback would be nice

[warm scarab]

i am pretty sure that's what instrument in does

[haughty girder]

it uh

blends it 50/50 for all of them iirc

[warm scarab]

its for monitoring

[haughty girder]

Either way that just proves umc202hd is better than everything else xd

[warm scarab]

definitely enough

[haughty girder]

I think it's 80 that goes down to 50 on sale

[warm scarab]

does it have asio

[haughty girder]

yep

[warm scarab]

pretty based

[haughty girder]

the ONLY problem with it is that it's marketed as 192khz when the ADC is 96khz only iirc

so setting any higher is doing nothing

but it's overall better than everything below its price and has two inputs

it's built well and works good enough

[warm scarab]

who cares about 192 tbh

[haughty girder]

Yea

It really makes no difference

[sudden grove]

I'm sure the 2400g I have won't scream in terror as I use it to edit audio files and upload them...
Around £40 brand new and £28 used

[steel escarp]

I am selling the 1500 euro dac :(

doesn't sound better than my 300 euro one

[haughty girder]

oh. 2400g?

uhm

perhaps use a bit of the budget on a used 3600

they should go for about 50 bucks which is I think 35-40ish GBP?

I'm Canadian so it's like 65cad ish

[sudden grove]

Yeah... I need one with an igpu. Tho so sadge.

[haughty girder]

Ohh

4650g or something like that?

Idk I'd really recommend a cpu upgrade first

[sudden grove]

It'll take longer to load stuff but honestly i don't mind waiting if it means I can use that money to start a proper recording rig.

[haughty girder]

what do you have right now?

[sudden grove]

Pc case and powersupply. Haven't ordered anything else apart from a random pa120se i found for £15.

[haughty girder]

Xd

Ok uhm

What about going intel

anything without "F" behind the name has igpu

[sudden grove]

I mean I could but would the ultra budget space really work in that case? Especially if I want to consider and upgrade path.

[haughty girder]

how much are you looking to upgrade in the future?

for example, you could be getting a pretty responsive system with a modern i3 and still use it's igpu

but if you go am4 your best upgrade path would be anything to a 5700x or 5800x3d or of the sorts

[sudden grove]

That was my plan.

[haughty girder]

Ic.

idk I just have a hard time recommending buying stuff that you know you'll replace

it's like taking two steps forward one step back imo

If that's what you want to do though it's probably ok?

the issue with 2400g is that it's first generation zen

[sudden grove]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VxgGh3 this is the other stuff I was planning on buying.

Again the cpu is quite annoying for me as I'd really wanna get smthn like a 3600 and then pair it with a gpu but I don't think it's enough.

[haughty girder]

do you guys get boxing day?

[sudden grove]

Ye

[haughty girder]

yea perhaps wait until then before pulling the trigger on anything

then reevaluate how much money you can spend on a pc

but most importantly, don't spend money you don't have. be prepared if something goes wrongg

it's literally in a week after all

[sudden grove]

True

[sudden grove]

That or I do something like buy a 5700xt for my grandads 4770k pc which has a webcam already and then spend the rest of the money on a decent mic setup?

[haughty girder]

Lowkey that might be a better experience for the time being, but windows 10 loses support in 2025 and when you upgrade the cpu it's gonna have to be a whole platform upgrade

[lean grove]

@steel escarp https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/650052684-chord-dave-black-excellent-condition-w-orig-box-accessories/

your downfall was not spending enough money

maybe a $14000 dac will be better than your $300 dac

[steel escarp]

Maybe it will, but my priority should clearly be a susvara

[unique wind]

bros third eye has opened

[fresh cargo]

So should Linus pick up one of these so he can tear it to bits. I honestly I don’t know how audiophile bs is even legal.

https://innuos.com/phoenixnet/

[haughty girder]

It's legal because nobody is forcing you to pay for it

you could've been perfectly fine and content with life without knowing that even existed

[elder thistle]

data errors when going into a dac sound like loud clicks and pops because the flipping of a mildly significant bit (which bit is corrupted would be random) shows up in the pcm as a transient / square wave edge

if you don't hear this, you're not getting data errors

and if data errors after network error correction happened like this, nobody would be able to download files or programs without them being corrupted to hell and gone

but linus reviewing this would change nothing

and fighting over whether these things are real between two groups that have made up their minds leads to nothing but hard feelings

audio's a subjective hobby and that includes the parts that give audiophiles a bad reputation, regardless of science

and science is equally misused and misimplemented to try and invalidate things that are generally real

[unique wind]

science for the win

[sudden grove]

If you want to sing a vocal cover to a song.

Would you record your voice along with the backing track or would you combine your vocals with the backing track in editing?

[lean haven]

Anyone her ever used superlux headphones?

[lean grove]

Yeah they're not that great.

[lean haven]

Thoughts on why?

I've heard of them a while back

but never really bothered buying one

but today I saw one again

[lean grove]

Durability on them sucks, specifically the cable connection. They're about as comfortable as a chuckecheese ball pit. Plastic on plastic. And they don't sound all that good compared to other options from koss.

[lean haven]

oh?

I see

[elder thistle]

not that the koss doesn't have similar issues

but yes I hate the comfort of that style of headphone

samson sr850 sounds nice minus the aggressive treble. a little more authoritative and separated than ksc75 and kph40. but wow those earpads

with some 3rd party earpads and eq they're excellent, but that's a pretty big difference from stock

stage isn't as impressive as ksc75

[warm scarab]

ur40 is an interesting choice

[frosty ocean]

Check out that coil

[crisp python]

I know it's typical but M50x or Dt 700 Pro 80 ohm

[lean grove]

Why those two

[crisp python]

i need studio headphones and i need to decide between these two

i like both but can't have both

[lean grove]

If I had to choose between those two, I would go for the dt700x.

You should also take a look at the hd560s and hd6xx from Sennheiser.

Or the dt880 as an alternative to the 6xx

[woeful beacon]

Im trying to find some sort of usb audio amp or something for my phone

I have USB headphones and my phone doesnt output enough power via the USB port to play it louder than like 10%

Wondering if a USB to 2x USB splitter will work for plugging my headphones into my phone and portable battery at the same time?

[spring sky]

Can anyone give me a run down of what these colors mean?

I’m like just getting into this so idk what these mean

[lean grove]

It changes colors based on the format your music file is in. Unless you go out of your way for something special, 99% of the time it will be green.

If you use tidal it might change to magenta when you use MQA

But MQA is dying to maybe not.

[spring sky]

Ah

And are those like apps?

I usually use Apple Music or my PC

[crisp python]

I meant between the DT 770 Pro regular not X, they're too expensive

like the M50x and the DT770 Pro 80 ohms are arround the same price

[lean grove]

Gun to my head I would still pick the 770. But i would still recommend trying to find an open box or used dt880, hd560s or 6xx on eBay.

[frosty ocean]

I was gonna recommend one I got on Amazon, but it's gone/more expensive now

[steel escarp]

its gonna take a while before it dies out, probably never

tidal doesn't have flac files available for most songs

you get mqa if they dont have the original flac file on tidal

which is almost certainly an indication that they upsampled the original audio

artists reported this happening several times

so they are scamming users

[crisp python]

I wold go open back but my office is next to a window facing a road so it can get annoying plus i like silence, so close back

[woeful beacon]

Can you send the link either way? Id like to alteast see what it is plz

The headphones are the corsair HS60 Haptic btw

[frosty ocean]

no idea why your headphones matter. but you need an amplified usb c device that works with phone?

[woeful beacon]

Basically, anything that can have higher power output via USB that is portable

[frosty ocean]

What usb?

c? micro? a?

[woeful beacon]

Headphones are A

[frosty ocean]

jesus Christ

[woeful beacon]

?

[frosty ocean]

that is now how amplifying works

[woeful beacon]

Well ik but idk how else to word it

[frosty ocean]

you can't just send more power to the headphones usb line and expect louder sound

[woeful beacon]

My laptop can do full volume but my phone maxes out at what sounds like 5

[frosty ocean]

I'll look it up when I get home

[woeful beacon]

I have a portable battery so wondering if i can use the power from that but sound from my phone

K

I tried but i couldnt find much useful

[frosty ocean]

is the cable removable at all?

[woeful beacon]

No

Its hardwired in

[frosty ocean]

is loudness an issue?

[woeful beacon]

Very

Barely audible at 100%

[frosty ocean]

the solution is: never buy usb headphones

[woeful beacon]

I got it for the haptic motors and styling

I do miss my old ones

The hs60 pro surround basically the same but AUX and no haptic

[frosty ocean]

do you know how to solder?

[woeful beacon]

Nope

Dont even wanna try knowing my track record lol

[frosty ocean]

damn...

[woeful beacon]

Would my original idea work?

Just usb y splitter into my phone and battery bank?

Or is that disaster waiting to happen?

[frosty ocean]

no, that would just reduce phone battery usage or charge your phone

[woeful beacon]

Oh ok makes sense

What would be the issue causing low vol?

Low wattage or is it ohms?

[lean grove]

more likely android is limiting the volume for some reason

if there wasnt enough power it wouldn't be low volume, it would sound like shit

and impedance isnt a thing over usb

[woeful beacon]

Huh weird

[woeful beacon]

Oh ok wasnt sure about that with usb

My old ones, same headphones basically just aux would do fine from usb c to aux

But these using usb c to usb a are super quiet

Same on my quest 2

[frosty ocean]

how do they do on your computer?

[woeful beacon]

Hella loud

Same on my laptop

But the 2 ports on the left of my laptop do output pretty quiet but not as quiet, only the right ports are loud

My pc is fine on all

[frosty ocean]

you know what...try a y adapter. see what happens

[woeful beacon]

Oh boy

When i find one i shall try

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Charging-Multi-Function-Splitter-Compatible/dp/B0BXNK6BC2/

https://www.amazon.com/Cablecc-USB-C-Type-C-Female-Macbook/dp/B01N0X3PMD/

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Charging-Compatible-Chromecast-Printer-2Pcs/dp/B0CC4V5Z6Y/

I really have to caution against this type. it causes strain on the usb port

[frosty ocean]

time to see if my new battery makes my hearing equipment work

[molten lotus]

Which is better https://a.co/d/h4cCH5S
https://a.co/d/0f7XO5Y
Mainly want the Skullcandy crushers for the insane bass

[frosty ocean]

I have no real knowledge about either, but I trust JBL more than I ttrust Skullcandy

[elder thistle]

what do you want them to do?

because the mc450 is about $148 from thomann right now

and between the m50x and dt770 80 ohm it kinda wipes the floor with them in instrument separation

but is open back

same story against hd560s

and probably hd6xx if it's at least marginally weaker in instrument separation than the hd600

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MsLbtLvmN0O-cpRD3ZnKdAoF1GRULVym3iQt1DCeZtQ/edit?pli=1

keyword surgical

I prioritize having instrument separation above all else in mixing headphones because even if the tonality is unbalanced, after mildly learning the sound signature of the headphones it's easy to hear the volume of an instrument's frequencies compared to another's

there was no question regarding which frequencies or tone anomaly belonged to what instrument

which for me personally led to easy level matching and eq decisions that required drastically less revisions to get to my final mix

instrument separation is also useful for finding problems in your sound design

[frosty ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_JaDDcyIIU

[steel crown]

Are wired in-ear buds still a thing? Or is everyone moving to wireless?

[lean grove]

wired are definitely a thing.

[frosty ocean]

I recently paid about 20 dollars for some wired earbuds. I think they're pretty ok.

[lean grove]

did you get any of the meme ones?

[steel crown]

Thinking about getting some sort of in-ear buds for gaming now and then when gf is asleep and I don't wanna disturb her. But want something decent that'll sound good. All I see in stores are some dirt cheap no-name brand ones

[frosty ocean]

what memes are there?

[lean grove]

truthear, moondrop, tangzu,

[lean grove]

how much did you wanna spend

[steel crown]

I've no idea what price range covers what tiers

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0859GLYP6?th=1

[lean grove]

tangzu wan'er and 7hz crinacle zero:2 are the cheap recommendations right now.
next step up from that would be the truthear hexa which are like $70.

but if you get the tangzus or the 7hz, they're still really good.

[steel crown]

I expected to pay around $100 for good quality ones, lol

[lean grove]

well, you can. but in the last 3-4 years theres been a lot of chinese companies making the new "giant killer budget iem" one after another.

and now we have really good $20 iems.

https://www.amazon.com/TRUTHEAR-Crinacle-Zero-Ear-Headphone/dp/B0CM3GGZDZ
https://www.amazon.com/Fanmusic-Truthear-Hybird-Earphones-Earbuds/dp/B0BLYT63S3/

these two are gonna be the solid reccs.

they're pretty similar. the zero:red's are gonna have a little bit more bass. but otherwise they're damn close as far as sound sig

[steel crown]

I've had pretty decent headphones in the past, $200-$300. But for how situational they are, and wires fraying, earcups not being replaceable, or the leather cracking and flaking off everywhere. I just don't see the point in spending so much on 'em. I'd rather just get some GOOD earbuds I can plug into my PC and call it a day

[lean grove]

all the cables are replaceable.

really the limiting factor in longevity is gonna be how clean your ears are

[frosty ocean]

The cable on mine is 4 wires, and the connector is a standard TRS, but if I wanted to, I could buy a new cable with a "balanced" plug, or maybe just cut the jack off my current one and just solder on a new one

[steel crown]

I have many piercings. So I clean my ears religiously, lol. Also another reason I'm tired of headphones. Bothers me after a while

[lean grove]

i think you'll be pleasently surprised with the quality of the $50-$70 earbuds.

[frosty ocean]

Do you have a bridge piercing?

[steel crown]

Nada, all in my ears. Save for one in my nose

[frosty ocean]

That's where the bridge is...

[steel crown]

Bridge piercing is between the eyes slightly above the nose

[frosty ocean]

im not a doctor, sorry

[steel crown]

Are you thinking of an "Industrial" piercing?

[frosty ocean]

where on your nose is yours?

[steel crown]

Left side

[frosty ocean]

oh...

[steel crown]

Nostril hoop, lol

Of those two earbuds recommended up above, 1 says "Frequently returned item"

And the cables are replaceable? Do you have to buy them separate? Are they just plug and done?

[lean grove]

they're 2 pin cables and they're pretty common. they come with a decent cable but if you want something fancy with silver cable or a different style then you can easily replace it. and yeah its just plug and done.

[left cypress]

Just got this out the box

Is this clicking noise normal?

[lean grove]

yeah they add it to make the knob feel more realistic

you might be able to turn it off in the settings?

[steel crown]

Wait....are these IEM's decent for gaming? See a lot of advertising for music on 'em

[lean grove]

yeah. iems are usually pretty good for gaming.

id be worried about sweat maybe but other than that, go for it

[steel crown]

I'm looking up info on articles and youtube and people are talking about amps. How important would having one be to get the most out of IEM's like this? Or is just plugging it into the 3.5 at the top of my computer enough?

[lean grove]

the only thing you'll need to worry about is noise floor. your computer should have more than enough power for these

[steel crown]

No idea what that is. But if my computer is enough then I'm happy, lol

[lean grove]

its just the amount of noise that comes out of your computer and leaks into the audio signal. it'll come through as hissing, hum, or weird computery noises. it'll be pretty obvious

[haughty girder]

😬

that 8-10k peak is gonna be pure pain for those without anti-sibilance built into their ears

[steel crown]

I have no idea what I'm looking at

[haughty girder]

it's gonna be both really shouty and sibilant

[haughty girder]

it's a frequency response graph

you know what frequency is right

left side is bass, right side is treble, and goes from left to right

[steel crown]

I plug in headphone. I use them. They sound good or sound bad. That's all I know, lol

[haughty girder]

it's relative amplitude (volume) at a certain frequency

so you can sort of gauge how something is going to sound by looking at a measurement

for me, I use a couple pairs of iems that I'm familiar with as references

[steel crown]

So what IEM would you recommend for gaming? That I could just plug into my computer and be done

[haughty girder]

what's the budget?

[steel crown]

I thought I'd be spending about $100. If I could get something really good for less obviously I'd take that.

[haughty girder]

Do you know what sound signature you prefer?

[steel crown]

No idea what a sound signature is.

[haughty girder]

OK

what kind of genres of music do you listen to

[steel crown]

Rock, alternative, some metal, classical, and some newer classical as well. But I'd mostly be using them for gaming when GF is trying to sleep

[haughty girder]

or if you'd like, you could send a track you like and I'll give you a recc on what sound signature (basically is it bassy, trebley, etc.)

Oh ok

[silent haven]

dont get iems for gaming

simple as

[haughty girder]

so a generally balanced sound signature is good

[silent haven]

they all suc

get hexa

[haughty girder]

tell that to every pro who uses iems for gaming xd

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554000662485008385/1040679428369420308/RDT_20221108_0928358508393741770941591.gif

[silent haven]

thats for noise isolation on stage

[haughty girder]

Are you looking for a mic or something else with the iems as well

[haughty girder]

no that's what the headset is for

[silent haven]

iems are dogshit at imaging

[haughty girder]

IEMs don't need to image as well to still be better for gaming

[lean grove]

vit, they literally came in here asking for iems

[haughty girder]

because they're so intimate, it still is more effective

[silent haven]

imaging is everything in imaging

in gaming

directional awareness

[haughty girder]

I dunno I think my monitor is more important

[silent haven]

the whole point

[haughty girder]

TenZ uses Truthear Zero blue, red and Moondrop Blessing 3

all iems

every day

your point?

[silent haven]

you arent tenz

or some other washed up pro

[haughty girder]

neither are you

and iems seems to suit him just fine

[left cypress]

Oh I don’t mind it I was just making sure I wasn’t breaking something ahah

[lean grove]

is it doing the things you needed it to?

[haughty girder]

iems are better for gaming because they're more intimate, their imaging may not be as good as the greatest headphones but they don't need to be. The intimacy makes it easier to pinpoint locations

The main downside to iems for gaming is comfort

[silent haven]

thats just wrong

"intimate for gaming"

cope ith iems

[haughty girder]

Objective and subjective data say otherwise

[steel crown]

As I said earlier, I've spent $200-$300 on headphones in the past. But non-replaceable wires that fray, earcups that flake and fall apart, metal bits that end up snapping. I don't want to spend that all the time.

I just wanted some decent IEM's to plug into my computer to game with when GF is trying to sleep.
I'm not some crazy competitive player. I like PvE, I like cinematic games, I like good stories and to just be immersed.

[haughty girder]

Oh good, get Truthear Zero reds

very solid iems overall for about 55 bucks

[left cypress]

Yep, but I’m using the audio interface as my dac atm, I need the d70pro to arrive so I can run everything through my pc rather than my Mac and also so I can hear the proper setup

But thank you very much for your advice I’m very happy so far

[haughty girder]

if you wanted cheaper then there's the 20 dollar kings: Truthear Hola (discontinued but still in stock), Tangzu Wan'er (jade is the best version bc cable), salnotes zero/zero2

[haughty girder]

who said this?

[left cypress]

i use iems for gaming

[haughty girder]

There very much is "good for gaming". But it makes nowhere the amount of difference that you're trying to hype it up to be

[left cypress]

they arent as good as a headset for gaming, but ive got used to it

[haughty girder]

iems just image better

[lean grove]

yeah idk what you're tryna do, vit. we're literally recommending the same thing

lev needs iems, we pretty much all give the same answer

[haughty girder]

"I'd recomend Truthear zero" guess what I said

guess what we all said

[silent haven]

so how is "intimate" better for gaming

when you want it to be as open as possible for staging and imaging

[haughty girder]

you also forgot about the headphones part

the closed vs open backed headphones argument isn't really even an argument

[silent haven]

applies to iems

[haughty girder]

it really doesn't

[silent haven]

iems are worse than closed back headphones

[haughty girder]

composition fallacy

[silent haven]

in terms of stage and openess

[haughty girder]

first of all

second, you generally don't want to have to "hunt" for sound cues

[silent haven]

ur braindead

[haughty girder]

ur brainwashed

[silent haven]

ignoring articles and research on whats best for gaming

[haughty girder]

What research.

[silent haven]

coping with hurr hurr but this washed csgo pro uses iems!

[left cypress]

@lean grove now ive got this amp my iems sound like they got way more bass

[haughty girder]

literally what research.

Every pro on stage in every game uses iems

[silent haven]

when they use iems and headphones to block out the announcer during events

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632030574588198941/928832964761112586/ezgif.com-gif-maker_11.gif

[haughty girder]

That's what the headset is for

[steel crown]

Are the negative opinions coming from an "audiophile" point of view? Because I am in no way an audiophile.