audio-tech

[fierce plank]

which one should i actually uninstall

[molten lotus]

Each of those USB 3.10 things are for each of your USB ports. Just uninstall all of them, then reboot your computer and see if that fixes the problem.

[fierce plank]

alright

[warm scarab]

a mixer or an interface?

[fierce plank]

It didn't work

[warm scarab]

you are suffering the usb headset fate

divine punishment cope with it

you also got automodded

second divine punishment

[fierce plank]

;-;

automodded?

[fierce plank]

no way to fix this?

[warm scarab]

automod removes long messages for spam

[warm scarab]

its either a broken cable or a component

for latter you are better off buying something new

prior is difficult if you dont know how to solder and you will need to pay someone to solder for you which you may need to pay for

[fierce plank]

it just stops sometimes in the middle of anything

[warm scarab]

did you try plugging it in another port

[fierce plank]

and doesn't work again until disabling or enabling

[fierce plank]

yes

[warm scarab]

yeah scuffed headset

maybe make a bat file and an ahk scrip to automatically enable and disable the headset with a macro

but it sounds like a hardware issue

test in another computer if you can

[fierce plank]

i sadly dont have anything else

to test this out in

[fierce plank]

how

[warm scarab]

ask chatgpt and save us both time

[fierce plank]

ok

[warm scarab]

you will essentially make a bat file that will disable and enable the headset, and an ahk macro to boot that bat file

[severe hare]

Wanna switch for one to another, without cables. Right now i need to switch manually the cables for one or other

I thought on usb-c dongle and then it works fine

But my mainboard has more quality than the usb-c dongle from apple

[warm scarab]

just get an audio switch then

[severe hare]

Ty didnt knew it exist a audio switch lol

[molten lotus]

The headphones come with some software called HERA, maybe downloading that will fix it somehow. Other than that I guess the automatic script idea is the only answer.

[fierce plank]

i downloaded it but it didn't work

ig auto script it is

[molten lotus]

I was looking at it, making a script for it doesn't seem too hard. But I don't know much about Macros

[fierce plank]

me neither

i'll juse use yt or chatgpt

[molten lotus]

there's literally a commands that go "disable-pnpdevice" and "enable-pnpdevice". So just running those two commands will do the trick

[fierce plank]

oh

how do i figure the ones that work for my headset?

[molten lotus]

First open up powershell. just search it in the search thing on the taskbar

[fierce plank]

ohk

this?

[molten lotus]

Once you're in there, run this command "get-pnpdevice -class 'USB' - presentonly"

You can press tab and it will autocomplete some for you

or just copy paste it

[fierce plank]

alrigh

[molten lotus]

if you don't find your headphones there, then try this command "Get-PnpDevice -class 'audioendpoint' -PresentOnly"

I don't know if the headphones are considered USB or Audioendpoint

[molten lotus]

cool, what you need is the instance ID for the speakers.

[fierce plank]

something seems to be wrong...

[molten lotus]

Well it might be because you didn't open it up as an administrator

[fierce plank]

oh sorry

[molten lotus]

don't worry about that now though you have it as audioendpoint

to get the instanceID type this command "Get-PnpDevice -class 'audioendpoint' -PresentOnly | format-list"

[fierce plank]

oh god that huge

(no pun intended)

[molten lotus]

So on the left side, look for instanceID and copy that and paste it to notepad or something

[fierce plank]

ight

yep i saved both (mic and speaker)

[molten lotus]

so here's how the script will look like

then you save that file with a .ps1 extention

and there's your script

But first see if running that command actually fixes the probelm

[fierce plank]

while trying to fix this

[molten lotus]

of course you can modify it a bit to sleep for a shorter time or longer. And you can add the mic in there as well. the command is pretty straight forward

[fierce plank]

my speaker didnt seem to run into that issue

[molten lotus]

Oh, well that's good

[fierce plank]

i'll wait and see if i run into the error again

if so i'll try doing macros

[molten lotus]

Cool. But hopefully someone can explain how to use macros to run this easily. I don't know much about that

[fierce plank]

i'll try and figure that out somehow

thanks for staying by my side

and helping me

thanks a lot

[molten lotus]

Oh ya, and you need to change some settings. Windows, by default, doesn't allow you to run ps1 scripts. So you just need to run this command in powershell after you've opened it as administrator "set-executionpolicy unrestricted"

No problem 👍

oh ya, and add an exit command at the end so it closes the window

[fierce plank]

Thanks a lot man

I appreciate it

[molten lotus]

No problem. If you figure out the macro thing ping me about it. Cause I'm curious how that works

[fierce plank]

sure

if the problem arises again i'll setup the macro

[molten lotus]

What about JBL live 660nc?

[full fossil]

Heys guys I cannot choose between the samsung buds pro 2 which are going for around 150euros and the Sony WF-1000XM5 that are going for 300euros. I'm selling my airpods pro 2s and don't know which one of those to choose from

The buds 2 pro varies from 250bgn to 350bgn

[unborn gale]

Sony earbuds have been having battery issues

so avoid

[thick parcel]

Galaxy buds just better anyway ngl

[nova wagon]

their noise cancellation is so mid tho

which sadden me

[shut parcel]

hey yall know what the airpods pro 2 has over the beats studio buds+? the airpods are hurting my ear cartilage and i'm thinking of returning the airpods and switching, are the airpods features worth just waiting for my ears to get used to it?

[unborn gale]

don't the airpods pro 2 have those rubber eartips?

have you tried switching them out?

[shut parcel]

i've tried every eartip but XS

medium fits my ear perfectly and it feels comfortable for about... 30 minutes
i've gone maybe 2 hours without it hurting before but it was probably a fluke

it's the plastic part that's pressing down on my antitragus

[nova wagon]

ah the stick

[shut parcel]

not the stick

like

[nova wagon]

the shell?

[shut parcel]

well i suppose it's part of the stick

the shell, yeah

[nova wagon]

so the shell does not fit inside the cymbra area for you?

[shut parcel]

what's a cymbra?

[nova wagon]

cymba

mb 😅

[shut parcel]

oh

hmm

[nova wagon]

or i guess the curve from the main shell to the stick doesnt clear your incisura?

[shut parcel]

maybe

[unborn gale]

https://media.tenor.com/NGT8c7zINy0AAAAC/lion-king-throwing.gif

ah yes simba

[shut parcel]

again, the part that hurts is the antitragus

okay but like i've researched this already and apparently for some people it gets better after a few weeks

i'm assuming the shape of their outer ear adapts to the earbuds? idk

[nova wagon]

thats my case with the live pro + with my ears too, the shell digs into my antihelix, but its lessen after a while
not sure if thats healty for your ears tho

[shut parcel]

are the extra features over the beats studio buds+ worth risking an uncomfortable experience

[unborn gale]

if it's uncomfortable then just return it

[shut parcel]

i can live without precision tracking or a speaker on the case but other than that what else does it have over it

[unborn gale]

and find something not apple made

[nova wagon]

i would say not

[shut parcel]

i need the fast pair with my iphone 😭

[unborn gale]

get a better phone then

[shut parcel]

i'm still partially in the ecosystem because ios is just so hard to escape

[shut parcel]

[unborn gale]

like I don't get why people continue using something that causes them pain while they're still within the return window

[shut parcel]

cause everything else is good and what if it gets better

yknow

[unborn gale]

"it'll hopefully get better soon"

how about it get better now by getting something that's actually better

[shut parcel]

copium

dealbreaker with the studio buds+ was the lack of wear detection but atp idrc

[unborn gale]

no wear detection is a deal breaker, but literal pain isn't? wut

have you tried older airpods?

like just other versions?

perhaps they might have a better fit

[shut parcel]

IT IS, that's why i'm here lol

[shut parcel]

yeah, my failsafe for if i try every single noise cancelling apple earbud and they all suck, are the 2nd gen airpods

cause i used to have a pair and i loved them they were perfect for my ears

only gripe was no noise cancelling :(

[unborn gale]

could see if you can buy aftermarket rubber covers or something

or aftermarket eartips

[shut parcel]

i'm over it
if i spend 250 on earbuds, i'm not spending 25 bucks more so they don't kill my ears lol

[unborn gale]

ok

[half fog]

iem experience

spend hundreds just to have to swap tips to not cause severe ear pain

or use foam tips that are basically disposable

or have custom molded ones

[unique wind]

i feel pity for my fellow iem brethren that suffer from ear pain no matter what they use

i’m glad that i do not

[full fossil]

Btw do the samsung buds 2 pro have adaptive audio like the airpods pro 2?

[teal fern]

Hello and gd day

Which pair of headphones is better for FPS gaming between the m50x and the hd 569?

Also is there any audible differences that might exist between the m50x the BT and the sts?

[errant wharf]

People around here dont care for the m50x that much

[forest forge]

Is $250 for a used edifier S1000DB worth it? Like is that a meaningful upgrade over say an R1280DB for $150?

[lean grove]

the m50x is quite terrible, but the 569 isnt much better. akg k361 would be a much better choice.

[teal fern]

And what about that compared to the 371 and the 770pro?

[lean grove]

i would pay the extra $150 yeah. especially if you're at a desk. but at the risk of budget creep, something like the iloud micro monitors are gonna be way better for $350. and the jbl lsr305 are also gonna quite good for ~$300 ish (this can come down a lot more if you find them used)

[buoyant vale]

Dt770 is awful

[lean grove]

371 is better than the 361, and i would lump the 770 in with the m50 and the 569 in "not worth considering."

[forest forge]

I was mainly thinking for a tv, not a desk. I don’t think I’d be able to spend more though

I might look for a used jbl lsr305 if that’s good for tvs too. I’ll see what I can find thanks

[warm scarab]

that is a different subject entirely

should probably specify that beforehand

[lean grove]

i dont really think it matters much here

lsr305 would probably be better at a tv than the micro monitors

but they'll still be good at a TV

[warm scarab]

they are

still a sub + stereo pair would likely be better

[forest forge]

Oh I see, sorry. I use headphones at my desk so I just kinda assumed speakers would go with a tv

[warm scarab]

you will be saying goodbye to anything upwards of 200hz with jbl305p at a range

[warm scarab]

I meant as in, when you use a tv, nearfield speakers can sound very hollow without a sub to accompany them

so there can be a different allocation of budget depending on the range which you plan on using the speakers st

[forest forge]

Interesting, I didn’t know that. I was asking earlier about tv speakers and someone else said that most of the cost for a sound setup is in the sub for not that much sound, so they suggested just getting bookshelf speakers

So that’s what I was looking into. But it sounds like your saying that’s not the case

[warm scarab]

well if you aren't planning on listening to any sort of music or value dynamicity of explosions etc then I can see why you wouldn't need them

[forest forge]

As for range, I have a medium sized loving room where I’m using them. My couch is about 6 feet from the tv, with a futon that gets closer. Occasionally I use it with a table that’s about 12 feet away, but sound quality is less important for that distance if that matters

[warm scarab]

for most parts a lot of vocals are already well covered in 305p at a range

but bass is where the majority of the body in sounds resides so neglecting it will limit your enjoyment by a great margin

though by no means will your setup be unfunctional

[unique wind]

you won’t lose bass quantity at a distance you’ll just lose overall volume

[warm scarab]

you will

[unique wind]

if anything doesn’t the upper midrange usually get slightly scooped at a distance

[warm scarab]

high frequency sounds have a lot more energy than bass

which is why almost every tv setup includes a sub

[unique wind]

you know bass frequencies are like 30 feet wide right

and omnidirectional

they’re not just gonna fail to reach him lmao

[warm scarab]

yeah and?

[warm scarab]

its a bookshelf speaker

it doesn't have sub bass to begin with

and even then the parts that do get pronounced will fall off

[forest forge]

Is it possible to get a good set of speakers and a sub for ~$200? That my budget for a sound system.

[warm scarab]

klipsch pro media is decent but it has static issues

[forest forge]

I’m mainly just looking for something to improve the built in tv speakers

Yeah I was having trouble with klipsch and static

[warm scarab]

hmm

well if its budget than the prior recommendations are pretty alright

go get nearfields you can't afford a good sub and speakers sub 200$ anyways

[unique wind]

not really no

a decent sub will cost you that on its own

[forest forge]

Hm. In that case I might just stick with some bookshelf speakers

[unique wind]

that’s probably the best option

powered bookshelves that have a subwoofer output connection that you can use later

[warm scarab]

yeah it is

[forest forge]

I don’t really need anything high end. The only other question I’d have is whether I should try to get something that I can upgrade later. Like if I get active speakers, I could still add a sub later right? Or would those have to be passive speakers. I’m not super clear on the difference

Oh I see, nvm you just answered that

[unique wind]

passives require an external amplifier

actives are self powered with an internal amp

[forest forge]

Is there an advantage to an external amp? I’m guessing it’s more expensive that way but probably sounds better?

[warm scarab]

its nice if you want to try different amp speaker pairings or save money in the long run trying different passive speakers

since you aren't paying for the amplifier part anymore

also more reliable

[unique wind]

at this budget passives aren’t a good choice

[forest forge]

Gotcha

Thanks for the help

[unique wind]

@warm scarab observe

kinda cracked for $160/pair active speakers

i’ve been tempted to try them for my desk setup

but i’ll probably just get something better

something that reaches at least 60hz without a sub

[warm scarab]

idk man

looks really bad to me

without a sub

like bass fall of at 90hz is really not good

but everything else looks tight

[unique wind]

yeah it’s not ideal but they’re some of the flattest and least resonant speakers even up to two or three times their price

[warm scarab]

in an anechoic chamber with room eq

[unique wind]

that’s without room eq that’s just a few wide band filters to tame a couple wide treble elevations

but yeah in a freestanding chamber not a real setup

[warm scarab]

so room eq?

[unique wind]

nah it’s not room eq you’d still need to do that after flattening the treble

[warm scarab]

it literally says auto eq on the graph michael

[unique wind]

yes it is eq

it’s not room corrective eq

[warm scarab]

it is though

it resonates different in every room

eq preset for an anechoic room wouldn't work for a real one

and vice versa

[unique wind]

this is true mainly for like 500hz and lower

near field treble shouldn’t be wildly different based on your room

[warm scarab]

depends on how close your speakers are to your walls

like every other frequency

and how it resonates back to you

and what material your walls are made of

[white gate]

This says "+ Auto EQ". Implying the measurement was taken with EQ added ontop?

[lean grove]

thats what it looks like

i didnt know autoEQ could do speakers

[unique wind]

that’s the (estimated) measurement with eq

this is the raw measurement

if only they had a subwoofer output natively then they would be a great pick

[lean grove]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385513716316

scuffed to hell kef lsx

actual drivers look to be relatively unharmed

then again im seeing tons of these for sale

[unique wind]

how does one make these scuffs

theyre randomly dispersed

[lean grove]

I bet you they were either dropped or stored improperly and moved

[unique wind]

not gonna lie they dont seem to measure that well in terms of response smoothness

port resonance and other random artifacts

they do have nice dispersion though

[lean grove]

Perks of coax

[unique wind]

[vernal bison]

Okay audio kings, very much noob when it comes to audio.
But my current pc cans are Void Pro Wireless from Corsair, I like their bigger cups that totally fit over my ears and I like the sound profile (I havent edited them in any way) but the battery is on its way out.

Im in the market for something that ideally has

• Bigger cups similar to the current Voids
• Wired or wireless doesnt really bother me but if wired I'd like a longer cable to be able to route it around my desk and not over the top of it like I currently have
• Surround or atmos would be liked but again isnt essential
• Available in Australia (so really just means a more mainstream product)

I am open to using open backed headphones if it is actually going to make a difference.
Price again really doesnt matter but I'm also not LOADED so even a couple of options at different price brackets would be wonderful

Much love for your time <3

If it helps I pretty much exclusively use them for gaming, so I dont feel like I need a DAC or similar

[unborn gale]

you forgot to include the most important thing

budget

[vernal bison]

"Price again really doesnt matter but I'm also not LOADED so even a couple of options at different price brackets would be wonderful"

[unborn gale]

Personally use a Hifiman Arya V2, prices for the Arya has started to go down too

massive earpads are really comfy

[shut parcel]

any of you guys have xm5s, and if you do is the reduced portability a big issue for you?

[fallen mulch]

Hi, how does HyperX Orbit S performs?

i found it at 100$

in 2nd hand

i like listening EDM, rap, phonk

i know it sucks at build quality i will try to use it carefully if i buy

[nova wagon]

decent
basically a rebranded audeze mobius

[fallen mulch]

yep i know, but i actually cant decide that how it performs at bass side

im kinda bass-heavy user

[nova wagon]

distinct is the word you might be looking for?

its not the kind of bass impact that we used to with normal dynamic driver

[fallen mulch]

i have never used the planar magnetic headset

so i dont know how it performs at bass side vs dynamic drivers

i read lots of reviews about that, at the and, all of the reviewers said that "planars are better for distortion and frequency response"

but i need practical user experience

for the orbit s

[nova wagon]

ah
i guess ask the one who has used planars?

thought you already got it

[fallen mulch]

ah no :d

i used g pro x wired and mh752

and i sold them

they were good headset at their price point

but i want to try different ones

[full fossil]

I got the airpods pro 2 a while back and now I switched to samsung.
Should I sell them or just keep using them

[lean grove]

Of you're using the airpods keep them. If you're not then sell them.

[full fossil]

Yeah I'll just keep
I tried selling them to try getting the new Sony earbuds because all features work on android but I realized there is no point

[red surge]

Anyone got electric guitar buying advice for a beginner

I already have a preamp

just need help with the guitar

idk what I’m looking for 💀

[lean grove]

Nobody in this chat is cool enough to play the electric guitar unfortunately.

Might have better luck asking elsewhere

[steel escarp]

airpod pro 2 have too much bass

their anc is good tho so they are keepers

[half fog]

dynamic driver overear have a trend of either having severe sub bass rolloff with bloated mid bass when open back or bloated bass response that extends into sub bass if closed back

and then if you try to EQ them with a heavy bass shelf to correct for the poor subbass response they will distort badly

planar overear have a trend of generally having much better sub bass extension even when open back

without bloated mid bass

part of the reason ive used planar for my recent pairs

the only dynamic driver headphones that have had adequate subbass for me have been closed back which basically removes the soundstage

[lean grove]

Who are you talking to

[hidden moon]

I recently got this thing I like to record with.

[zenith spear]

Speaker recommendations under $70

[red surge]

ty lmao 💀

[molten lotus]

Moondrop ChuChuuuuu

[shut parcel]

i'm shopping for headphones, what should i buy? my absolute limit is 400 bucks, and it has to be wireless
should be decently low latency but i dont need like 2ms gamer stuff

[unique wind]

check out the audeze maxwell

[shut parcel]

oh and they also need to be generally portable and wearable in public, and preferably with ANC
im gonna daily drive these as well as use them outside and during travel

[haughty girder]

it's actually kinda meh unless that sound signature works well for you

Chu is ok with crap cable

Chu 2 is just another generic iem

[tepid torrent]

The shocking amount of lofi in this channel

[haughty girder]

lofi as in music or class of audio

cause look at what server you're in

[haughty girder]

if you're just starting to learn, anything will do

yamaha has a couple good models that don't do anything exceptional, but are generally pretty good especially for the price

the most important part is ensuring the edges of the frets are smooth with the fretboard otherwise they could catch your finger while sliding up and down
and ensuring the balance is good (the fretboard doesn't fly up or go straight down if you let go)

24 vs 22 fret will make no difference for you to start off

scale also won't be very diff

what I'd recommend more than anything else really is getting a good strap, it'll help you not hate playing more

[molten lotus]

It's $20

[warm scarab]

there is better for 20$ now

but chu is alright tbh

[silent haven]

[digital trout]

Are the JBL Tune 760NCs worth getting for $99.98 CAD vs the Tune 710BTs for $54.98 CAD?

They're both on a big Prime Day deal (hence their prices atm). Just wanted to seek for opinions regarding value for price.

@nova wagon I remember you recommending the 710BTs. But due to the Prime Day discounts, the 760NCs is at an approachable price for me.

[nova wagon]

I think 710bt
The 760nc noise cancelling does almost nothing so I don't think it's worth spending for it

[digital trout]

@nova wagon Thanks for the input. Btw, do you happen to have any experience with Srhythm brand headphones (NC25, NC35 etc.)? If so, what is their general sound signature and build quality like?

[molten lotus]

Give ID.

What's the IEM?

[warm scarab]

truthear hola for one

or salnotes zero

prior better

there was one more but I can't remember the name

[fallen mulch]

hi, how is hyperx cloud orbit s for bass-head?

[warm scarab]

anyhow even kz d-fi had dethroned chu a short time after its release

[fallen mulch]

i found it 100$ in 2nd hand

[warm scarab]

short answer: no

you can absolutely get something with good anc for sub 200$

you can also for 50$, issue is that damages audio more and blocks practically nothing

galaxy buds are a decent option

crinacle has a video comparing all of the different bud variants if you want to watch that

galaxy buds

why not get pros 2 for 50€ more tbh

[unique wind]

tangzu wan'er

similar to the salnotes klaus recommended but a little better

[molten lotus]

Are zeros any good?

Nvm listening to the review right now using MBP speaker and I can say it's good.

[unique wind]

if you can stretch to $50 then the truthear x crinacle zero (red) are a great upgrade over the $20 iems

otherwise id recommend the tangzu wan'er for $20

[molten lotus]

Nah I can't stretch it to $50

I'd consider $50 and up as an upgrade.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mClatbQLV98

[unique wind]

salnotes and wan'er are remarkably similar, the main difference would be unit to unit variance in the upper treble

but wan'er has a better build and better accessories for the same price

QKZ x HBB has a lot more bass but it's bloated

[molten lotus]

I'm geting the Zeros since it's readily available.

[unique wind]

cool i hope they work well for you

[warm scarab]

what do you mean

[nova wagon]

listen to headphone through a measurement mic playback on a macbook pro speaker

[warm scarab]

that's a joke right

[nova wagon]

thats what they said

[molten lotus]

Yep.

[fallen mulch]

did you tell this to me?

[warm scarab]

no

[fallen mulch]

oh

[warm scarab]

the dude deleted all his messages for some reason

or got banned

[fallen mulch]

did you have opinion about my question?

cloud orbit s

[warm scarab]

its a gaming headset I have zero expectations of it

[fallen mulch]

i saw some measurements but i dont have any idea whats going on at this headset

[warm scarab]

its pretty bad

[fallen mulch]

actually i want to buy k361

[warm scarab]

is what i can tell from the measurements

[warm scarab]

nice headphone

[fallen mulch]

is it good for bass-heads after eq?

[warm scarab]

you aren't getting something better anyhow

so

[fallen mulch]

what about k371? is it worth to 2x price difference?

[unique wind]

it shouldnt be double the price no

it's usually $110 vs $160 or whatever

[warm scarab]

its k361 with more bass

but double the price is mad

[fallen mulch]

in my country, k361 is 100$ at market, k371 is 190$ at market

[unique wind]

according to oratory's measurements the main difference is that k371 has far better treble

k361 treble is wonky up and down

bass isnt too dissimilar

[fallen mulch]

i saw the review in DIY Audio Heaven

[warm scarab]

wonky measurement

they should literally be the same graph

but one with a shelf

[unique wind]

both have a harman bass shelf

k371 just has better treble

[unique wind]

weird

this doesnt align with what oratory measured at all

either way nah dont pay almost double for it

[fallen mulch]

this is the key difference

[warm scarab]

where

[fallen mulch]

so do i

[unique wind]

k361 left

[warm scarab]

that's well within error margin

near 10k

[unique wind]

look at it klaus it's all fuckywucky

the 4khz crater is far wider and after that it's a rollercoaster

but other measurments dont seem to show this so i dont know

if youre okay with using open backs i would recommend the hifiman he400se over either of these since you intend to eq anyway

itll take a harman bass shelf no problem

[warm scarab]

it has thinner bass

not very basshead material

[fallen mulch]

i dont like the stock harman curve

i adjust the curve with +4 bass and -3 tilt

[unique wind]

yeah if youre willing to use open backs the hifiman he400se handles eq a lot better

[warm scarab]

solid advice otherwise tho

[fallen mulch]

my living room is not ok for open-back

so i cant

[warm scarab]

what does your living room have

[unique wind]

you might like the k371 stock

it has more bass than harman and rolls off the treble up top

[fallen mulch]

tv 😀

[unique wind]

no way mine too

[warm scarab]

turn it off

[fallen mulch]

i cant because im living with my family

[unique wind]

having your pc in a family space is stinky

[lean grove]

Having a family space is stinky

[fallen mulch]

i will take it to the other room

[warm scarab]

then why not get open backs

[fallen mulch]

dont want to spent too much money to amp/dac and headphone

i dont have an amp

[warm scarab]

we aren't really asking you to

[unique wind]

the akgs are more sensitive but the hifimans should run fine off of a cheap dongle

[fallen mulch]

my bad what you mean

[warm scarab]

we didn't ask you to get a dac or an amp

[fallen mulch]

alc892 can drive k361?

[unique wind]

i would be surprised if it couldnt

the k361 and k371 are almost as sensitive as some iems

[fallen mulch]

yes i know but open-back and powerful headphone means = good amp

am i wrong

[unique wind]

not really, headphone power requirements are overestimated

[warm scarab]

completely off the mark yes

[fallen mulch]

but i saw some reviews that the reviewers said he400se is hard to drive with cheap amps

[warm scarab]

you are correct that he400se would need an amp to handle a proper bass shelf honestly

[unique wind]

i ran hifiman sundara with bluetooth adapters that dont have any more power than an apple dongle does

even with eq

[warm scarab]

sundara is more sensitive than 400se

400se needs 79mw power stock settings

[unique wind]

horse crap

are you tryna have like 115db peaks with that rating

[warm scarab]

110dB

[fallen mulch]

ok, then i return to head

what should i buy

[warm scarab]

115 is 160mw

[fallen mulch]

for bass-head experience

at 150$

or max 200$

[unique wind]

k371 probably

[warm scarab]

sundara on other hand needs 50mw at 110

[warm scarab]

too expensive man

80$ for a bass shelf

like nah

[fallen mulch]

i can accept the open-backs too

[warm scarab]

get a k361

[fallen mulch]

i change my mind

[warm scarab]

honestly you were right in needing an amp for he400se sort of

like stock you can barely drive it without clipping

[unique wind]

depends how hearing damaged you are

[warm scarab]

but if you want a bass sheld eq, and an impactful one at that, you will need an eq

[warm scarab]

80dB listening can peak at 110dB

[fallen mulch]

can e10k drive he400se? its cheap in here, like 20$

[warm scarab]

maybe but like

its an ass dac amp

[unique wind]

$20 is is super cheap for that wow

[warm scarab]

still

decent dongles have cleaner sound

its really bad

[fallen mulch]

my friend has behringer umc202hd, what about it?

[warm scarab]

that is an audio interface

while it does have the functions of a dac amp it is just meant to be used with sensitive monitoring headphones

not providing a high current

[unique wind]

e10k for $20 would be enough to run an eq'd hifiman he400se yeah

you could get like 105db peak with an 8db bass shelf using an e10k

[warm scarab]

it would clip after you eq a 5dB shelf

[vast quarry]

I have speakers that say

100-240V -
50/60Hz 500mA

But i misplaced my original power cable. The one i have with me rn is labeled

2.5A 250V-

Will it still work and/or damage my speakers to use this one?

[warm scarab]

well not 5db but

5.1db yeah

[unique wind]

this is using 158mw, not the 200mw it's rated for at 32ohm

[warm scarab]

its cutting it by like 1mw lol

105db peak means you are clipping though

and cutting the power requirements that close is just before it starts distorting and clipping

the amp will shit itself the moment you want it loud

[fallen mulch]

ok final question

if i have chance to use open-back, which is better to me? is it worth buying he400se over the k361

[warm scarab]

honestly idk man with the e10k

[unique wind]

i think youre too worried klaus

[warm scarab]

why not buy both and return whatever you don't like

buy them in installments, you have a month to decide from there on out

use one of them for a day another for a different day

[fallen mulch]

hygienic product category works kinda bad in here

[warm scarab]

do you not have amazon

[fallen mulch]

i have

you are right

i forgot it

[warm scarab]

then they don't have the option of not accepting returns

[fallen mulch]

thanks

@unique wind thank you too

[unique wind]

sorry if it was confusing with us saying different things

tldr hifiman he400se with eq will sound the best but you wont be able to blast your ears off with volume

maybe try k361 and if you dont like it then return it like klaus said

[white gate]

Because at that area the response is HUGELY variable and dependent on the HRTF of the user/rig (and positioning)

Not to mention the majority of rigs don't even claim to be accurate above about 10khz

seriously, other than if there's a single massive resonance or something, don't judge a product based on how 'smooth' it appears in that region.

In fact, even if you were wanting a smooth response there, you wouldn't seek a headphone that measured smoothly there cause it WON'T be smooth on your ear. You need to know exactly how that headphone will behave on your head/measure with an in-ear mic (which in and of itself is not simple to do and you need to get impressions that pass the 2nd bend)

[unique wind]

this is mostly true for above 8khz though isn’t it

i wouldn’t want a headphone to track all mangled from 4-8khz (which is what i was trying to show with the k361 graph)

getting 2-8khz correct is crucial for having the right amount of presence and sibilance or lack thereof

[molten lotus]

Which is better

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/anker/soundcore-space-q45-wireless

.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/jbl/live-660nc-wireless

[lean grove]

I'll tell you what I think after you tell me which you think is better

[molten lotus]

JBL 600nc i think has better bass, mids and brighter sound

[lean grove]

I would say the 660nc is better too.

[molten lotus]

Soundcore more comfortable to wear

What about the looks?

[lean grove]

I have no preference. They both look the same to me.

Matte black plastic

[molten lotus]

I should order both , make a Review and compare them and return the one i reject

[lean grove]

Your money.

[turbid grove]

It's better to use the one that comes from my sound card right? not the Realtek ASIO

[warm scarab]

i mean they are different devices

which are you using?

[turbid grove]

Wait, you're right, I'm using Komplete audio right now

The thing is either MME or ASIO

MME is very bad and untrusted

I have bad experiences with MME, ao ASIO, but I used to not have that realtek
Maybe it's something from my MB

Added after the last update

[haughty girder]

the Wan'er can be had for about 15.

wan'er jade for about 20

both of which have much more usable cables than the chu

[haughty girder]

You'll want to use Komplete audio ASIO if you're using the interface or if Komplete audio has a virtual audio stream

MME isn't "very bad," but you need to increase buffer sizes to ensure its stability compared to ASIO or WDM (mainly because it's older and less efficient)

but if you have access to WDM/KS then it's just newer and better in every way but compatibility

[haughty girder]

which e10k

[fallen mulch]

fiio

[haughty girder]

nono Fiio released a couple versions

which one is it

[fallen mulch]

this one

[haughty girder]

o ok that's the old one

for 20 bucks if you want the physical knob it's fine

it'll do fine with the HE400se

Also your motherboard dac (alc896?) doesn't determine how much power it has

that's based on the implementation that the mobo oem uses

[fallen mulch]

alc887

[haughty girder]

ah

still

Given your original question is K361

I swear that thing is more sensitive than some iems

so you'll be fine running it off of just about anything

[turbid grove]

True, with MME, from every 1 hour I had 1-2 seconds (at least) that weren't captured or had audio quality issues

while with ASIO I never had an issue, however, I don't know where to change windows MME buffer, for ASIO I use 8192

[haughty girder]

with this you'd defo want to increase buffer size

it'll increase latency but should fix your cutting out or quality issues

[turbid grove]

Yeah I guessed it comes from that

[haughty girder]

or just use asio

[turbid grove]

I have to see where I can change that

[haughty girder]

bc it's a more streamlined... stream

[turbid grove]

but ASIO is easy to use.

native interface, and I can see the delay too

However I'm not sure how accurate that delay is

but for recording, it's fine

[haughty girder]

you don't need 8192 samples LOL

thats actually a lot

[turbid grove]

would it cause issues?

[haughty girder]

40ms is roughly the threshold for humans to notice latency

[haughty girder]

no, but it's wayyy overkill

[turbid grove]

actually, as I just use it for recording audio for videos, so it's ok

but yeah, if I do live stream, maybe that matters

[haughty girder]

wait

I would highly recommend lowering your sample rate

[turbid grove]

oh why

[haughty girder]

down to 44.1, 48 or at most 96k

it's doing nothing but sucking up cpu resources

[turbid grove]

even when in idle?

[haughty girder]

yea

[turbid grove]

oh, I see

[haughty girder]

it's a constant audio stream bc it's not KS

16 or 24bit at 48khz is plenty

[unique wind]

oh. my. god.

[turbid grove]

yeah when I export videos, (mostly for YT) they're on 48K usually

[haughty girder]

96k is only useful if you're mastering audio

[turbid grove]

so I never use 192KHz for outputting final file

[haughty girder]

any higher and it's absolutely pointless

I'd recommend dropping it

[turbid grove]

can I see how much of CPU it is using?

is it that noticeable to reduce it?

[haughty girder]

I'm not sure how to check that, might be under audio management or something idk

[haughty girder]

it's just pointless when you can decrease sample rate and in return, buffer size

[turbid grove]

I mean is it going to be even noticeable on my CPU

[turbid grove]

oh I understand

[haughty girder]

if you drop down to 44.1 (which I use) you can use a buffer size of 256 samples to be safe, I've gotten away with 128

I think I've gotten as low as 96 samples but I don't remember

[turbid grove]

so even for my 5.1ch output I don't need 192KHz?

as I did set it to that for output too

and my headphones, everything actually is set to 192K

[haughty girder]

Oh that's diff

wait

you have a 5.1 system plugged into the back of your mobo?

(sorry for shock I just haven't seen that since... 2010)

for headphones it's absolutely overkill

[turbid grove]

Not exactly like that haha, my sound card is stereo, and I'm using an optical out to speakers

[haughty girder]

also for 5.1 you'd want to increase bitrate

[turbid grove]

from mobo

[haughty girder]

I'd still recommend you to use lower

but

[turbid grove]

that's something new, I don't even know how

[haughty girder]

I'm not well versed into multichannel setups (I use 2.0 or 2.1 only) so maybe it's different?

[turbid grove]

yeah maybe, I have to check!

however I have TV HDMI out to the speakers

and I usually output audio to TV

then it goes to speakers

and this way there's a little delay

for watching movies only btw

but easier setup and 0 noise

when I use PC output there's a hiss sound

with HDMI there's 0 hiss sound

[haughty girder]

theoretically though, your freq range being 20khz *2 should be 40khz, 44.1khz is better sample rate

and mixing/mastering is where higher comes in handy

[turbid grove]

I see, thanks a lot for the info

[haughty girder]

so it should be still optimal to go 44.1 or 48 than 192

[turbid grove]

I'll test it and see how it goes, typically I don't think if I notice any difference

but wait, sometimes (only sometimes) when I switch audio output device, there's 0.2 seconds lag to switch.

maybe that's because of 192Khz

or maybe it's just windows being a bit laggy

[haughty girder]

that should just reinitializing of audio driver

but I'm not sure

[turbid grove]

oh maybe that's correct

[turbid grove]

Do you have any experience with Sound Extracotrs?

I'm planning to get one that can decode Dolby, etc., just for PS5, there are a lot in the amazon and hard to know which is the best

[haughty girder]

tf is a sound extractor

[turbid grove]

you connect an HDMI 2.1 device to it

[haughty girder]

can you send a link

[turbid grove]

it'll passthrough the video

yes, wait

[haughty girder]

OH

HDMI ARC

audio extractor

into a DAC

[turbid grove]

https://www.amazon.de/Extractor-HDCP2-3-Schalter-Konverter-Optical/dp/B0C7QJCV64/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=hdmi+2.1+audio+extractor+4k+120hz&qid=1696972418&sr=8-1

[haughty girder]

decode dolby for what?

[turbid grove]

this for example

there are really, too many

[haughty girder]

dolby video or audio

[turbid grove]

audio

[haughty girder]

I don't have much experience with them but I know that dolby audio is kinda useless

it's fake surround

[turbid grove]

I make videos of audio test on PS5, and now PS5 can output Dolby, to test more accurately, I need to extract it first, and test on my PC also

[haughty girder]

ohh

I see.

yea I won't be able to help you there

[turbid grove]

not in this case actually, it maps channels to the devices that support Dolby decoding

before this patch, it could only output 5.1 channels to HDMI 2.1 with linear PCM

[haughty girder]

no but aren't they outputting to headphones normally?

[turbid grove]

what do you mean, dolby?

[haughty girder]

dolby only comes into play when you have I believe greater than 5.1? to add data that relates to the speakers above?

[turbid grove]

mostly yes, but Dolby Atmos on PS5 is kinda a conversion of tempest 3D to output to Dolby supported devices for decoding

[turbid grove]

Yes!

and with the current update, now it supports up to 7.1ch

actually, I need something to be able to record that on PC

to say for example: Spider man supports all 7.1ch on Dolby

but I don't know what tool I have to get

[haughty girder]

but if you're plugging into headphones

it wouldn't matter?

[turbid grove]

not for headphones

[haughty girder]

o ok

[turbid grove]

actually I don't like 3D audio on PS5 in 99% of the games (headphones)

stereo is better for me

but some people swear on it

[haughty girder]

you'd need an actual 7.1 setup to test tho

including a Really expensive receiver

yea idk I won't be able to give any advice here

[turbid grove]

Oh, so it can't be done with a tool that can capture audio on PC?

[haughty girder]

no you probably could

[turbid grove]

I connect HDMI to it, and it capture all cahnnels

[haughty girder]

but arc will always be compressed

bc of bandwidth limits for audio

[turbid grove]

yes

[haughty girder]

it should be fine

you can capture it

you just won't be able to playback it

[turbid grove]

maybe I'm better off not making videos about this one haha

[turbid grove]

I don't need that actually

[haughty girder]

mmm

idk then

[turbid grove]

yeah I just checked some of them and you need a very expensive sound card

I mean, really expensive

[turbid grove]

Thanks for the help! have a nice day, or night

[shut parcel]

yall i think i found xm4s for 100 bucks off, do i get it
also, any glaring issues with the xm4s i should know?

[zealous solar]

good sounding pc headphones for around 80 bucks? Looking for something decent for gaming with good audio quality

[cold token]

@warm scarab got my zen dac today

W purchase

[warm scarab]

nice

[cold token]

thanks for the help again

[warm scarab]

np

[slim mason]

I love mine as well

can handle all my headphones easily

[cold token]

its great

looking forward to getting my can

[zealous solar]

preferably with an easily changable cable

[cold token]

@slim mason sorry for the @ but I had a question. Do you use a DC 5v power supply with ur Zen DAC?

I'm not thinking of getting one but I wanted to know if there was any difference really

[slim mason]

I just have it plugged into my pc via usb

[cold token]

okay cool, sounds good. thanks

[warm scarab]

if you have static you can use 5v

[warm scarab]

that isn't going to work out very well

[exotic schooner]

Apples mic just said nooo bass

[digital trout]

HyperX Cloud II

[zealous solar]

Do they have an easily replaceable cable?

[fallow whale]

These good? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Q89DN6V/ref=twister_B08VD2NX25?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

[lethal bloom]

anyone here got the alpha wireless headset if so is it worth the money?

[haughty girder]

it's fine for a wireless headset

in the realm of wired headphones or headsets though... there's better

[zealous solar]

Like? I'm trying to find some good ones and I'm lost

somwhere in the price range of cloud 2

[haughty girder]

if you're ok with open backed headsets and is wired, game one/pc37x/pc38x

Cooler master MH751 IMO is better too

[unique wind]

no clue about the price in colonizer land but in america the pc38x is $120 now

[zealous solar]

the hell

[haughty girder]

isn't that the normal price

[zealous solar]

the black ones are 500usd

[unique wind]

naw

[haughty girder]

ok nvm then hahaha

[warm scarab]

what

[zealous solar]

from ones available in poland

[haughty girder]

it's a less resolving HD560s, tuned like an HD600 sorta, but has a mic

[zealous solar]

the only black ones i see are 2.2k pln

which is about 500usd

[haughty girder]

yea avoid

[warm scarab]

which headphones are you looking at man

[zealous solar]

EPOS PC38X

[unique wind]

500 is insane

[warm scarab]

there are black pc38x?

[zealous solar]

the yellow ones are 760pln (180usd)

[unique wind]

yeh

[unique wind]

this would be probably be the normal not on sale price

after calculating tax and import

[haughty girder]

that's insane don't bother

[zealous solar]

yea it's outta my budget

[haughty girder]

if you just need something to work those cloud alpha wireless are a pretty good price fwiw

[zealous solar]

looking for something around 80 bucks

[haughty girder]

provided audio quality isn't your main focus

[warm scarab]

grab a cloud 2 tbh

not much else you can buy

[zealous solar]

its like 50/50 gaming performance and audio quality

[unique wind]

@warm scarab have you looked at measurements for the topping a70 pro

it's kind of stupid quite frankly

[warm scarab]

apart from iems

[warm scarab]

nah

[haughty girder]

do you care about wired/wireless or nah

[zealous solar]

i prefer wired

i had samsons sr850 but they broke

I guess I'll get the wired cloud 2

[unique wind]

17w per channel with balanced 16ohm at 0.1% lul

[warm scarab]

that's just stupid

[unique wind]

it is it's hilarious

[warm scarab]

its way beyond reasonable

[unique wind]

it's enough to make susvara and dan stealth hardware clip

[warm scarab]

great way of accidentally destroying headphones

[unique wind]

zero channel imbalance zero jitter and zero distortion driving any headphone

but also has the lowest noise floor of any amp that doesnt have a negative gain stage so it can run iems well

[warm scarab]

it would kill iems without attenuating

unless it has a mode for it

you spin the knob by 2 degrees and it would jump like 15dB

[white gate]

Wattage/power =/= gain

Also 17W @ 16 Ohm = 7.5W @ 32 Ohm

Lots of manufacturers have started listing 16 Ohm specs because it sounds better

[unique wind]

yah

amir measured 8.22w at 32ohm in high gain

kinda ridiculous

[white gate]

I just wish topping stuff sounded better

[lean grove]

I just wish these high power headphone amplifiers would have speaker taps.

Which I would then hook up my headphone to directly.

[white gate]

lol

[lean grove]

@white gate are you or any other big wigs going to canjam dallas

[white gate]

I'm not going to Dallas no. Will be in NYC though

[unique wind]

is the great nils going to canjam dallas

[lean grove]

Yeah.

It's unfortunately the closest to me and also one of the red headed step children of the canjams

Everyone focuses on NYC or la

[unique wind]

closest one to me is nyc

[white gate]

It seems Dallas and Chicago aren't going to be renewed

[unique wind]

ive only watched content of and seen people talk about LA, NYC, and London honestly

[white gate]

Those are the big ones (or singapore for IEMs)

[lean grove]

Really? So this might be the last canjam Dallas?

[unique wind]

they should call that one earjam

[white gate]

SoCal is the biggest, NYC close behind.

London is still pretty big but also a fairly different group of exhibitors and visitors than SoCal/NYC so it's cool to go to even if you also go to one of those

Though if you can only go to one show, it's Munich

Munich is insane

[white gate]

yup

[lean grove]

Gonna have to go out with a bang.

[unique wind]

naw

thats a low price for that in ear but it's not one worth buying

[haughty girder]

are you in north america?

or more specifically, USA

you could consider the PC37x or 38x

esp when they go on sale

[zealous solar]

im in poland

they're outta my budget and i cant really wait

[haughty girder]

rip

alright yea C2 will do fine

[mellow wing]

@lean grove you think theres a better speaker on amazon for prime day than the edifier sd350b? you recommended me this couple weeks ago but i wanted to know if i could get a better value since prime day deals are amazing rn

[lean grove]

i havent been keeping up with prime day deals

[lean grove]

but generally my recommendations are:
pretty much anything from edifier
kali lp6,
jbl lsr305, jbl studio 570,
vanatoo t0 or t1

theres that one @pastel bluff keeps mentioning over and over which looks pretty good, but it needs a subwoofer and doesnt have a dedicated subwoofer out.

[mellow wing]

okay thank you 🙏🏽

[mellow wing]

oh damn didnt notice the edifier was 100$ off on amazon i just thought i couldnt find it

[mellow wing]

is there a difference between s350db and s351db besides color or does it not matter

[dusky linden]

quite an eventful day

[unique wind]

it’s such a shame that it doesn’t

you’d have to spend like 2/3 the speaker cost to get a mini dsp and add one

maybe neumi will bless us with a new revision eventually

[livid gust]

Any good prime deals for some bluetooth headphones around $100-$150?

[lethal bloom]

are the pc38x really as good as people say have always used a wireless headset but im considering switching back now

if not im just gonna buy some hs80s or cloud alphas

[lean grove]

Open backs in general are a huge leap from most gaming headsets.

And on top of that the pc38x happened to be a pretty decent open back.

So yes. It's worth it.

[half reef]

I’m looking at some wireless headphones/earphones, I would love input on which would be the best value/ best option: AirPods Pro 2, AirPods Max (2nd Gen if it comes out this year), Sennheiser Momentum 4, Sony WH-1000XM5

[lean grove]

Airpods would be my best bet among those.

The sony and sennheiser arent that good.

Airpods max are overpriced

[lethal bloom]

black ones are 150 for me

[lethal bloom]

is this better than the steelseries nova?

[lean grove]

Yes absolutely

[half reef]

I’ve seen online and in other discords that the sennheiser momentum 4 sound better than the APM

[lean grove]

And both suck compared to something like the audeze Maxwell.

Though the Maxwell doesn't have ANC

Apm win in terms of features

But if you care about audio quality then airpods pros are the best of your choices.

[half reef]

What would you personally recommend? (Budget 400USD, Wireless Headphone/ Earphone)

[lean grove]

Audeze Maxwell if you don't need the ANC and convenience. Airpods pro if you do.

Alternatively, option C is what I use. Qudelix 5k with some truthear holas. Best bang for buck. You could alternatively get some truthear zero reds since you got the extra cash to spend.

Then you can also get some hd6xx's for decent headphones for when you're at home.

[half reef]

Can I get a link?

[lean grove]

No.

[half reef]

aw man

[lean grove]

@unique wind https://www.schiit.com/products/midgard

New schiit amp

Might pair well with your sundara

Or might not

[livid gust]

What are some other options in the xm4 budget range?

[lean grove]

@livid gust

[livid gust]

I was looking from more casual headphones those look like gaming ones

[lean grove]

Yes. But you can take the mic off.

[livid gust]

Which would you choose between xm4s and the maxwells?

[lean grove]

Maxwells.

Like of any wireless headphones it'll be the maxwells. Maybe the JBL tune 710 if I was on a budget.

[warm scarab]

"midgard"

they are asking to be made fun of man

[lean grove]

It's an unfortunate name

[unique wind]

faux-balanced discrete components magnius

i wonder how that halo feedback affects measurements

seems like a good value amp for how much power it puts out single ended for $200

not gonna lie thooo these have been tempting me all day

dont need the matching d70 pro dac because the cheaper e70 has basically the same measurements

[lean grove]

That's literally the only thing I'm curious about.

Is it actually gonna fix resonances or is it gonna just do funny business around the Fs of the driver

[unique wind]

i will sincerely doubt it until we see someone measure and comment on it

theyre offering one to anyone with measurement gear for free so it shouldnt be too long before someone comments on it

[lean grove]

its also interesting that they mention only one output power

like maybe the SE and Bal have the same power?

https://www.schiit.com/public/upload/PDF/APx555 Test --Midgard.pdf

[unique wind]

they do yah that's why i called it faux-balanced

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Real balanced isnt much to write home about

[unborn gale]

rn just using a balanced cable because it's longer than my normal cable lol

whether or not there's any difference, I don't think I can tell

[lyric plank]

anyone know any good pairs of 2.4ghz headphones?

[unique wind]

audeze maxwell

[willow root]

are there any good iems on sale for prime day

the crinacle zero reds refuse to go on sale

[unique wind]

zero reds are on sale for $48 instead of $55 in america right now

on amazon

[molten lotus]

yo quick

Sony WH-XB910N EXTRA BASS

are those any good

cuz price day sale

118

idk

[digital trout]

JBL Tune 710BTs were 50% off.

[willow root]

still 55 for me

[willow root]

those are also not iems lol

[digital trout]

Oh, my bad. I thought that you just did a typo at first, and meant to say "items". LOL

I had to re-read your message.

[willow root]

all good lmao

i do that all the time

[digital trout]

Still a good deal for that pair though. Glad I copped one when the Prime discount was active.

[willow root]

i need them for my desk so

[digital trout]

@willow root Just found a pair called the KZ ZS10 Pro X on a Prime Day discount.

[willow root]

well

are they any good

i know there are lots of deals on them but i dont want to pay for something that isnt well known

[digital trout]

Idk honestly. I personally have no experience using IEMs, nor am I an "audiophile".

[willow root]

well then

guess ill wait until next year lol

or black friday or something

[lean grove]

nothing KZ makes is good.

truthear and moondrop make much better stuff.

[frosty ocean]

Wooo! I found a 390

[willow root]

i figure lol

what’s moondrops value iem bc i’ve only seen their expensive stuff

[supple robin]

chu 2's

chu

moondrop wspace travel tws

moondrop aria

moondrop quarks

moondrop quarks dsp

moonrop jiu

[supple robin]

why wait when you could go for truthear hola or whatever else people are recommending

[frosty ocean]

Well. this sucks, I cant get my 390 to do what it's supposed to do

[molten lotus]

Truthear hola

[molten lotus]

The truthear hola beats them now

[willow root]

those are so cheap

[molten lotus]

Yep

Iems arent expensive

[willow root]

are the zero reds like

significantly better

[willow root]

i usually prefer paying extra if it means its good quality

[molten lotus]

Oops type

Fixed it

[molten lotus]

The zero reds are better but imo the holas fine

[unique wind]

paying more wont really automatically mean youre getting a better iem

but yeah Truthear Reds are better

they have cleaner bass, slightly better treble, and overall lower distortion than Hola

[willow root]

word

[willow root]

i have the hyperx cloud alphas or something just wanting to try something new

tired of headphone dent lol

[unique wind]

real

i daily drive truthear reds myself because i hate headphone dent

[willow root]

are they comfortable to wear that’s the only thing i’m concerned about

they look large

[unique wind]

i dont have comfort issues personally

[white gate]

Wibing

[willow root]

i’ll get them next time they on sale

[errant wharf]

Looking for a mic, will only use for discord chat. Would i be good with a usb mic like the quadcast or elgato wave?

[frosty ocean]

I really have one opinion about voice chat on PC. Find yourself a foot pedal for PTT

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81wLsG4SlDL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

[haughty girder]

not true nowadays, it's just not worth it

[lean grove]

If something's not worth it then it's not good.

Like there's better options at pretty much every level than what kz has to offer.

[haughty girder]

I mean what was it, D-fi and krila?

those aren't actually bad at all even for the price

it's just that its kz

cables are goofy

if you don't care about cables then KZ is actually an option

if you do then hahahaa

[unique wind]

kz salesman spotted

[warm scarab]

d-fi is alright yea

[willow root]

just out of curiousity would the reds benefit from any sort of amp/interface

bc I want to be able to plug my guitar into my computer anyways

but if its basically useless for that then ill just deal without it

[unique wind]

no not really

a $7 apple dongle is clean enough for FLAC music and has enough power for the reds

i just ordered one earlier today to try it out actually

[willow root]

i was thinking about just buying them today

[unique wind]

along with a cable that has a boom mic on it

[willow root]

im curious if they sound noticeably better than my current headphones

[unique wind]

like a modmic but for iems and higher quality from what i can tell from audio tests

[willow root]

thats cool

earbuds also like always fall out of my ears so im kinda concerned about that too

[unique wind]

well they can’t fall off because they have ear hooks but they could slowly squeeze out of your ear holes if the eartips don’t agree with you

they give you many different ear tip sets though you should be able to find one that fits you

[willow root]

oh i forgot to mention that I will be using them for music and gaming ik iems can be a little finicky when it comes to both

idk if that changes anything

[unique wind]

oh nah they work for both

the cable mic is interesting

[willow root]

thats pretty smart

[unique wind]

seems like a pretty good idea to me

https://youtu.be/Y81eQbViAxg?si=YtiQlj1GzlPYNnTH

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