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warm scarab
steel escarp
what is a hk770
warm scarab
wayne amp
lean grove
wayne amp
It's a Connorg amp that trickles down.
I don't think Wayne shilled it before he did
steel escarp
I need to study tubes
warm scarab
I don't think Wayne shilled it before he did
when did he shill it
steel escarp
hm OTL can be better than OTC on high impedance headphones
warm scarab
go get a diy tube amps set
lean grove
when did he shill it
You're saying it's the Wayne amp
warm scarab
the bottlehead or whatever its called
steel escarp
bottlehead crack with the speedball upgrade
warm scarab
You're saying it's the Wayne amp
wayne shilled it as long as I knew him
steel escarp
someone said; get it with the upgrade or not at all
it regulates bias voltage or something
warm scarab
I want to find who is the root of the shill
unique wind
will grey ever be happy and stop flushing money
steel escarp
the tubes
michael you don't understand
I will end up selling the violectric and he1000v2 stealth and just tube hd6xx
unique wind
lmfao
warm scarab
based
steel escarp
a tubed focal elex sounds based af
warm scarab
shut up no
unique wind
bro hates high fidelity
steel escarp
who needs a detailed sound
unique wind
chasing lofi
steel escarp
when pure tube goodness is euphoric
dapper berry
I can connect my DAC to both my PC and my TV and use the same headphones right? Just gotta switch the port each time ...
unique wind
if your dac has two separate inputs yeah
you would just hit the source button or switch
dapper berry
yea, its the K5 Pro
lean grove
If you want clarity and wider soundstage then the 599 is gonna be what's holding you back. If you get a qudelix 5k you can use autoEQ to help with clarity but for soundstage that's gonna be a bit more complicated.
dapper berry
on PC I go USB, and for TV I'd go optical
unique wind
hey look moondrop released a new $800 iem that's worse than variations
raise your hand if youre surprised
steel escarp
this guy brought a tube amp for his koss kph40 to the ltt lan party
the monitor is sitting on the dac
very based
unique wind
hey dont worry they also launched a single dynamic driver $777 iem that's also worse
dapper berry
Beyerdynamics are finally starting to become much more mainstream compared to ATs or Sennheisers over the last year or 2
unique wind
i was gonna say that it cant be worse than XS but it looks like it could actually be worse
lean grove
Beyerdynamics are finally starting to become much more mainstream compared to AT...
Not even the good beyers tho
It's all 770s and 990s
lean grove
Obviously a skill issue
dapper berry
It's all 770s and 990s
true ... I love my 880s
candid cosmos
I might have liked the 880s more.
But didnt test them. Got 990s and hated them. 770 is out cause closed.
And tbh, over ear alltogether isnt my area... Dont like the Feeling.
lean grove
You're in the minority there
candid cosmos
You're in the minority there
how do you mean? Not really liking over ears?
errant wharf
Over ear is generally way more comfortable than on ear
candid cosmos
maybe, didnt have any set till now where i wasnt annoyed by it after some time, and inears - dont really feel them at all xd
unique wind
i would prefer headphones if they didn’t give me a tyler1 headphone dent
even with strong clamp and a suspension strap it still happens
candid cosmos
ye
the fact that something is on my head and or pressing around my ears is the main reason i heavily dislike over ears.
even presumably comfortable ones.
unique wind
hey if you only like in ears that makes this hobby a lot easier
just buy moondrop variations and you’re at endgame
candid cosmos
dt990s, many gaming headphones from buddies - btw all trash in sound lmao
candid cosmos
just buy moondrop variations and you’re at endgame
this will come at some point xd
now i might find the upcomming sound a blessing to my ears
wonder what i ordered - or like got used cause they exit the hobby
lean grove
I don't think I've met anyone that doesn't prefer over ear headphones
lean grove
And they're in the minority
Also sharnurs preferences are whatever makes people the most upset so you can disregard him.
candid cosmos
is it so uncommon?
candid cosmos
Also sharnurs preferences are whatever makes people the most upset so you can di...
Isnt he the one who beefes with crinacle constantly?
lean grove
I wouldn't say "beef with"
candid cosmos
is it so uncommon?
Like you have pressure around your ears, your head etc
lean grove
More so "beef at"
lean grove
Don't.
candid cosmos
its funny how someone can be so annoyed about a single person
lean grove
It's really just sad
candid cosmos
that dude really feels like how youd think about a hardcore audiophile - like someone who uses oxygen free usb cables and whatnot
lean grove
Low quality audio reviewer can only contribute negativity and click bait hyperbole. He beefs in every server he's in because that's the type of person he is.
He's really the opposite.
unique wind
that dude really feels like how youd think about a hardcore audiophile - like so...
no sharur is an objectivist
he doesnt care about cables or dacs or amps
candid cosmos
idk i just seen a single video called something like " i cant stand crinacle" that was enough for me
unique wind
im using my hifiman he400se as speakers right now because why not
if they blow up who cares they suck
lean grove
Tape mod them
unique wind
are you referencing the dms video
lean grove
Yes
warm scarab
Isnt he the one who beefes with crinacle constantly?
beefs at everyone
unique wind
gotta tape mod them and then just run them with no earpads
candid cosmos
lmao
unique wind
since theyre speakers anyway
now im curious if they sound better or worse as speakers depending on if they have pads or not
tepid torrent
beefs at everyone
Beefs at everyone who likes basically any headphone lmao
warm scarab
yeah its sort of epic
tepid torrent
Its sort of cringe
unique wind
lately he's been pretty genuine
just chasing that hifi
well i mean he has already achieved it
has good speakers and the best iems
i hate his subwoofers but they work i guess
warm scarab
24dB eq peak
haughty girder
I've used the same mic arm I bought 10 years ago for 40cad (it's the cheap scissor arm with external springs) and it still works, I took a couple springs off because my mic is light
the mic arm you linked will likely work fine, it's mainly for desks that need the mic to go under something like a monitor then up
My personal pick though is a cheap floor stand, it doesn't transfer vibrations from the desk because it's not on the desk
but takes up the most space
a good mic arm won't resonate when something hits it or the thing its attached to ie desk
it'll lessen the need for a shockmount
dusky linden
a good mic arm won't resonate when something hits it or the thing its attached t...
yeah
mine was pretty cheap and it doesn't have many issues
haughty girder
so IMO it's not overspending, since good arms are good
but
I wouldn't overpay
spending money on a good arm is fine, spending more money than its worth isn't
for example, I would not even consider the blue compass
because the PSA1 and PSA1+ exists
and those are far superior
dusky linden
for example, I would not even consider the blue compass
the blue compass is a similar price to what they linked
I wouldn't buy a blue compass regardless of price either
haughty girder
and those are far superior
except for when your mic weighs nothing because the springs are internal and can't be adjusted
or you can hang a weight off the arm to try to balance it 😄
compass is really tall
so if you need a tall arm to get over something then it's a good choice
but then atp you could also use a floor stand
also IMO ATR2100x > Q2U
warm scarab
it'll lessen the need for a shockmount
most mics have built in shock mounts
haughty girder
most mics have built in shock mounts
they're about as effective as built in pop filters
warm scarab
I don't really see the need for a mic arm apart from those with reels
dusky linden
also IMO ATR2100x > Q2U
oh I just checked price for this
it's cheaper atm
so yeah
I remember it used to be like $140-150 cad
now it's a solid 79
haughty girder
you have some oddball cases where the built in dampener is actually good but for the most part, they're not
warm scarab
they're about as effective as built in pop filters
they are really efficient idk what you are on about
unique wind
shock mounts overrated
haughty girder
also we're talking about handhelds here
warm scarab
when was the last time you saw a studio use double shock mounts
haughty girder
why use a shockmount when there's no shock
haughty girder
a good mic arm won't resonate when something hits it or the thing its attached t...
...
soooo shockmount still useless
warm scarab
I think you overestimate what a shock mount is capable of
and underestimate what a built in one is capable of
haughty girder
something like a Q2u?
what shock mount
I'm not saying built in is bad, it's good
it's just... when you're not in a place built around recording ie a gamer's room
you're gonna want something more than built in (if the mic even has one)
warm scarab
something like a Q2u?
sure for comparison
warm scarab
you're gonna want something more than built in (if the mic even has one)
yeah i disagree
did you ever test this
warm scarab
it didn't bear any differences on my end
stray rapids
I've used the same mic arm I bought 10 years ago for 40cad (it's the cheap sciss...
:O
haughty girder
I mean hell, even the blue compass does a pretty good job in that regard
Take the most popular mic for example: AT2020
dusky linden
it didn't bear any differences on my end
shock mounts (not built-in) definitely have a purpose
a lot of the cheaper ones are just not that good
haughty girder
that thing will pick up literally everything
warm scarab
shock mounts (not built-in) definitely have a purpose
yeah to help mics without built in shock mounts to sound good
dusky linden
built-in can and will help vs nothing
warm scarab
they aren't meant to be used with ones that have shock mounts in them
dusky linden
yeah to help mics without built in shock mounts to sound good
even if you have one with a built-in shock mount it can still help
haughty girder
they aren't meant to be used with ones that have shock mounts in them
and which mics have inbuilt shockmounts?
dusky linden
it just depends on the scenario
haughty girder
cause popular "consumer" mics normally don't
warm scarab
and which mics have inbuilt shockmounts?
surprisingly almost everything these days
some odd studio mics and blue yeti don't
and blue yeti is what promoted shock mounts to the mainstream anyways
dusky linden
it's like comparing a built-in windscreen or pop filter to an external one
the built-in one, with proper placement/positioning, can still be used and yield adequate results
but a good external one will perform better either way
warm scarab
its like 5 capsules tied together
weak rapids
Shure has in my experience, the best internal shockmounts
warm scarab
i was bullshitting about the number
warm scarab
but its all glued together crudely
haughty girder
no?
weak rapids
but its all glued together crudely
Literally
haughty girder
it's built on a platform
warm scarab
what
weak rapids
You open it and theres superglue
weak rapids
Its actually glued together
haughty girder
wait lemme go find a picture
dusky linden
blue yeti is a dogshit mic anyways
haughty girder
dusky linden
blue yeti is a dogshit mic anyways
at least for the price
haughty girder
blue yeti is a dogshit mic anyways
it's not, it's just too expensive
weak rapids
blue yeti is a dogshit mic anyways
I wonder if Logitechs rehash will be identical
haughty girder
I do believe in "there's no bad product, only a bad price" though
warm scarab
yeah and aren't these glued
haughty girder
I wonder if Logitechs rehash will be identical
I hope logitech uses Blue's actually good mics ie. Babybottle and Ember
haughty girder
yeah and aren't these glued
ye
weak rapids
Shit I was thinking of the PCB not the capsules
weak rapids
I hope logitech uses Blue's actually good mics ie. Babybottle and Ember
Well they’re rehashing the yeti and snowball so idk if they will
haughty girder
ember imo is one of the most underrated 100 dollar mics
haughty girder
neat worker bee/king bee imo still better but ember is not bad at all
warm scarab
I am in the religious faith that any issue in the mic industry is not a matter of quality but the quantity of c1s owned
weak rapids
Neat worker bee 1 > neat worker bee2
haughty girder
ye
you know what is a dogshit mic though
the hyperx quadcast
IMO it's somehow worse than the yeti
weak rapids
Any razer mic that isnt the siren mini
haughty girder
I'd argue the HyperX is worse
the solocast and seiren mini are shockingly alright
weak rapids
Nah i find it better than razers dynamic
haughty girder
seiren mini borderline good when on sale
warm scarab
seiren mini is pretty alright
haughty girder
supercardioid helps too
anyway back to the original question: if you care about shocks, just get a floor stand
prevention is better than cure
xd
warm scarab
cope
weak rapids
My arm is actually attached to a separate desk than the main once
warm scarab
desk mounts without shock are alright
weak rapids
Since I use 2 desks for a setup
warm scarab
same tbh
haughty girder
desk mounts without shock are alright
oh this also depends on how well built your desk is
warm scarab
but i did test with my main desk
haughty girder
my desk is a hardwood mf so nothing goes through
warm scarab
isn't soft better for dampening
haughty girder
no
warm scarab
like hollow ikea trash
haughty girder
not rly
weak rapids
The ikea hexagon cardboard desk
haughty girder
if your desk requires two people to move, a bump isn't gonna transfer through the thing before being absorbed
warm scarab
we should destroy sweden for making ikea
weak rapids
I mean my desk is all ikea
warm scarab
same I hate it
haughty girder
When you start out, ikea is like cheap stuff that looks decent
weak rapids
So like
haughty girder
then you can slowly replace the cheap stuff with good stuff
weak rapids
It was around $350-$400 CAD to make
haughty girder
so I'd never overspend on ikea's cheap stuff, but some of their nicer furniture is solid
oh and laddas are a godsend for the price
eneloops for half the price is a W
weak rapids
Looking back i probably should’ve gone to home depot for the tabletop but eh
warm scarab
no more ikea
warm scarab
their salmon is better ngl
haughty girder
lmfao
warm scarab
that sauce is great
weak rapids
The ikea ballpit
haughty girder
pisspool?
weak rapids
Basically lol
The one by my place was literally the size of an average home pool i swear
warm scarab
I could never go into the ballpit when I was young
weak rapids
Sadge
haughty girder
The ballpit no longer exists in the one near us
weak rapids
No better way to build up a kid’s immune system
warm scarab
fucking children I swear
weak rapids
fucking children I swear
Not me imagining adult klaus wanting to go in the ballpit and yelling at the kids cause it smells like piss
haughty girder
Not me imagining adult klaus wanting to go in the ballpit and yelling at the kid...
I had a different idea but yea! that's probably a better imagination
weak rapids
Like Barney Stinson and Laser tag lol
haughty girder
aiya
lean grove
errant wharf
what are some good songs to test out new headphones?
nova wagon
what are some good songs to test out new headphones?
The ones you are familiar with
stray rapids
oooo i found a listing for a schiit vali 2 amp and a schiit modi dac locally for 200 cad, is that cheap?
lean grove
thats normal for a used schiit stack
if it was like 150 cad or even 120 cad that would be cheap
gilded urchin
yo what do u think the best noise cancelling headphones are for gaming (i was looking for sum thats wireless so i can take it to the gym too budget is around $400)
candid cosmos
Anc for gaming - daym.
green crow
what are yall best recommendation for gaming headphones?... but also just good regular headphones. Currently have the HyperX cloud mix
unborn gale
what are yall best recommendation for gaming headphones?... but also just good r...
Audeze Maxwell
Or Sennheiser PC37X or PC38X for something cheaper
undone nimbus
Please turn Dan loose on these: https://www.dyson.com/headphones/zone/prussian-blue-bright-copper
steel escarp
I found a dt880 600 ohm for 100 euros brand new
Gonna buy it and mod it
To detachabe cable
buoyant vale
steel escarp
I am gonna sell my 250 ohm model and basically get an upgrade to 600 ohm for free
Gonna finally be able to otl tube the mfer up
candid cosmos
Please turn Dan loose on these: https://www.dyson.com/headphones/zone/prussian-b...
Sound wise they are supposed to be quite good, if theyd cost like a third.
lean haven
Need help with an audio tech question, I've recently decided to go with creative pebble modern 2.0
what's the difference between modern and normal?
Just got them today used for 10$ need to go home and try them
candid cosmos
Okay the blessing 3 are actually very much a lot better than anything i had before.
Even a Soundstage where i simply dont need any headphones to satisfy me (like said dont like over ears...)
lean haven
but curious to know what the difference are as they seem to both use the same interface
candid cosmos
Okay the blessing 3 are actually very much a lot better than anything i had befo...
See myself in some time buying something like the Variations...
Either way, im happy
unique wind
return blessing 3 and buy variations
candid cosmos
lmao
most likely will at some point
got them used, i wouldnt have bought them new for 100 euros more xd
unique wind
freq response is 95% of what matters in an iem
they're in your ear canal, any soundstage variances are purely frequency response differences
candid cosmos
freq response is 95% of what matters in an iem
what wonders me then, the graph of the variations also doesnt look much more impressive 
unique wind
it's a lot better
blessing 3's bass stinks and its treble is worse too
im being very picky here but blessing 3 just isnt worth buying
candid cosmos
3 is higher at 3-5k and 15+k, but doesnt have such a huge dip between 10-15k
I find both looking really great.
Variations looking better at treble but huge bump in bass and about as much of lower low-mid as from blessing 2 to 3
unique wind
the bass on variations is what you should aim for
candid cosmos
that said i hate one thing about the blessing 3, i hate the cable.
candid cosmos
the bass on variations is what you should aim for
I find it too much tbh
at least with the spinfit tips i guess.
unique wind
i’ve never tried spin tips
candid cosmos
seem to boost bass quite a bit, or like not kill it like the others i use
basically perfect seal and stuff like that
wear it for like an hour and if you take them out you build up suction lmao
unique wind
suction cup eartips
unique wind
i was just making a joke since you said they build up suction and you feel it when you pull them out
candid cosmos
and like turn into the canal a bit, which actually makes a hefty difference lol
candid cosmos
i was just making a joke since you said they build up suction and you feel it wh...
they dont - if you take them out it does cause the seal is so good yk.
candid cosmos
the spinfits w1 i just recieved are even more extreme there. The silicon is like so smooth its almost sticky
and they are cheaper than cp100 and cp145 so yea. Id say a no brainer. (when comparing them)
main halo
can someone find me a headset and microphone for around £150 on amazon
unique wind
sennheiser pc38x
main halo
sennheiser pc38x
tryna get a boom arm mic and headset
unique wind
buy an arm mic later on when you save up a few more bucks
main halo
buy an arm mic later on when you save up a few more bucks
around how much
unique wind
usb microphone + arm kits are usually like $30-55
tepid torrent
Yea its not bad for 30 bucks
lean haven
extremely punchy
for 10gbp
I was considering getting a samyun but goddamn
this shit good
unique wind
sonic getaway has reached a new low
unique wind
i got muted for saying that amps do not change the amount of bass that a headphone has
impeccable
65iq server
warm scarab
nah you got muted for recommending people to connect edition xs to utws5
and that it will have no bass falloff lol
utws5 is 33mw at 32 ohms
edition xs is 200mw at 115dB
unique wind
nah i got muted because i said that it’ll have the same amount of bass at the same volume
because it will
the frequency response of the headphone isn’t changing just because you don’t have as much power
you don’t only lose bass
you can’t spot reduce fat on your body, it’s the same concept
lean grove
There definitely are exceptions to that.
Like output impedance, slew rate, output capacitors,
But what you can always say is that it changes the timbre of the bass 😜
unique wind
i’ll send the screenshot of the full conversation for you to look at when i’m off the toilet
lean grove
I don't want to look at anything related to you and a toilet
unique wind
likewise
normal peak
Truthear Hola's or Moondrop CHU II's?
I don't mind a flat signature, not sure if HD 6XX falls under that considering it's like the HD 650's.
I do like the sound signature of the AKG buds that come with Samsung phones, that is the Haram Target.
I want something with a detachable cable, good eartips and under £40.
steel escarp
return blessing 3 and buy variations
variations are shit
no sound stage
get blessing 2 dusk
unique wind
no trolling please grey
unique wind
Truthear Hola's or Moondrop CHU II's?
I don't mind a flat signature, not sure if...
my recommendation at that price point is the Tangzu Wan'er
steel escarp
no trolling please grey
I am not trolling
I owned variations
they were shit
and very uncomfortable
normal peak
my recommendation at that price point is the Tangzu Wan'er
have you tried both of the ones I said or one of them?
unique wind
i havent tried either of the two that you mentioned
normal peak
kk
steel escarp
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08L91T9QV?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_QY8N7TXHD3E59FFBE5B6
how much are they asking for it
cant see the price
main halo
how much are they asking for it
£60
steel escarp
fifine
unique wind
i think that it usually sells for less than that
steel escarp
sounds like a ripoff https://divineaudio.in/
main halo
hey tbh for 60 it doesnt matter if its good
how much should i spend for a good mic
unique wind
fifine usb kits are solid
i would look around some more though i dont think it should cost 60
main halo
fifine usb kits are solid
could u possibly look idk if they are good or not
not really a fan of technolgy and stuff just need my moneys worth if ygm
steel escarp
from audio samples on youtube it clips pretty hard
by default
you can probably fix it
unique wind
definitely, just adjust the gain
@main halo it looks like the fifine kits might have been given a price increase
theyre going for $50-60 in america too
i guess they noticed that people were buying them because they were a good deal
main halo
i guess they noticed that people were buying them because they were a good deal
should i go for that then?
warm scarab
nah i got muted because i said that it’ll have the same amount of bass at the sa...
at listening level it will distort like shit at best so I don't know what you want to argue
it will clip the amp too so you will lose out on dynamic range
unique wind
no trolling please
warm scarab
and that means bass fall off
when you hit any peaks
and having not enough power can absolutely change the frequency response
just not usually since no one makes amplifiers that weak
unique wind
no incorrect assumptions or strawpulling semantics please
unique wind
should i go for that then?
yeah i can recommend the fifine 669 and 683
my best friend has used a 669 for a pretty long time without issues
haughty girder
my recommendation at that price point is the Tangzu Wan'er
Hola is alright, between the Wan'er and Hola I'd just say whichever you like the look of better honestly
crap wrong reply
unique wind
haughty girder
Truthear Hola's or Moondrop CHU II's?
I don't mind a flat signature, not sure if...
Wan'er, especially Wan'er Jade with the better stock cable
unique wind
the green wan'er is pretty nice looking for its price
haughty girder
but yea as I said before, I'd say the Hola and Wan'er is a tossup, both are great choices. IMO I'd take either over the salnotes
haughty girder
the green wan'er is pretty nice looking for its price
they're all pretty good looking, but with the Wan'er Jade out the white and black one can be had for like 15 bucks or less
it's actually a banger deal at that price
main halo
my best friend has used a 669 for a pretty long time without issues
same one im gettihng?
warm scarab
shouldn't you be answering that
haughty girder
Also everything in terms of audio is rising in price generally
inflation is a bitch but eh
oh well
only reason chifi stays cheap is because it's really competitive
unique wind
thank god for the chifi iem craze
haughty girder
top reccs for usb microphones haven't changed in the past like 7 years I swear
like the K669 was released in 2016 when I bought one
unique wind
there isnt very much room for improvement in the microphone space USB or otherwise
haughty girder
there is
especially in the self noise department
but
nobody wants to compete for a dying market
because laptops have mics built in
and laptop sales are far higher than that of desktop
and people with desktop generally buy a headset because of cost reasons
like there's a reason elgato doesn't make the wave 1 anymore
it's a great usb mic, one of the best I'd say.
it just doesn't sell.
wave 3 has higher margins
unique wind
i havent looked at any statistics but i would imagine that usb mic sales skyrocketed during covid lockdown
haughty girder
dominated by cheap mics that already existed on the market, such as the k669
haughty girder
nah K669 is ancient
it's just that nothing else existed at the price that was much better
it also helped that LTT made a video that highly recommended the K669 5 years ago
the one audio recommendation I agreed with
unique wind
i had to go back and find a picture of my fiio utws5 plugged into my sundaras so that i can annoy SG users with it
haughty girder
but then he also recc'd the snowball which sucks ass so
unique wind
they hate both of these products i imagine theyll hate them even more when combined
unique wind
sundara is dual 3.5mm
unique wind
utws5 comes in 2 pin or mmcx i believe but mine are 2 pin
i just used some chineseum adapters
haughty girder
oh yea the headphone market is also pretty dead
during covid it kinda had a bump because people found headphones to be more comfortable?
but yea it's gone again
unique wind
lul
haughty girder
xs released... 2 years ago
unique wind
they slapped a 400se headband on an ananda and changed a couple things
it's not groundbreaking
warm scarab
hifiman and audeze are probably the only companies that is still pushing though
warm scarab
they slapped a 400se headband on an ananda and changed a couple things
750$ headphone selling for 400$ is fairly groundbreaking
haughty girder
Edition XS I remember I couldn't get over the headband but it's alright I guess
candid cosmos
If i have the choice between a solid seal on the biggest part of my canal vs much further in with smoller different tips - which should i use? believe the later one?
unique wind
use whatever is comfortable
candid cosmos
both is simelar xd
warm scarab
but that's still wrong since xs and ananda are fairly different anyhow
haughty girder
750$ headphone selling for 400$ is fairly groundbreaking
and getting equivalent audio quality out of say, HD560s to a normal person for half that price still is also groundbreaking
warm scarab
different drivers
haughty girder
oh and HD560s is hella comfy
candid cosmos
later is basically as deep as just holding the iem in my ear with no tip, which is pretty impressive to me - but i couldnt really find a benefit till now
warm scarab
comfort is a subject to your body
haughty girder
Sound is fine, still prefer something like 612 or 880 but it's not bad
warm scarab
don't globally comment on comfort
haughty girder
comfort is a subject to your body
not when your headphones are designed to go on a box
warm scarab
there are people who literally swapped from anandas to xs because ananda headband was uncomfortable
unique wind
XS is probably the least ergonomic headphone that has decent marketshare
warm scarab
to you yeah perhaps
lean grove
don't globally comment on comfort
the entire world should have at least one really nice warm sweater
to share
unique wind
absolutely monstrous earcups and a shit headband
might as well hang two speakers from either side of your head
haughty girder
how funny is it that, decent marketshare is maybe around 0.000000001% of headphone/earbud/iem users?
Apple earpods on top
unique wind
thats true but i assumed you knew that i meant audiophile marketshare
warm scarab
the earcups shape is literally the last reason for not being comfortable that's the stupidest take you could have had
haughty girder
but yea
in audiophile marketshare, XS isn't exactly large but it's got enough of a userbase for hifiman to keep going
so that's a plus I guess
warm scarab
it increases the contact area to your head and is in an oval shape reducing overall stress unless you have a uniquely built jaw
unique wind
it doesnt work with the headband provided
haughty girder
the earcups shape is literally the last reason for not being comfortable that's ...
Screw hybrid pads
unique wind
it's a poor combination
unique wind
for the majority of people it's uncomfortable
haughty girder
if you're gonna use a velour pad, use a velour pad
unique wind
people who find it comfortable are in the minority
haughty girder
if pleather, then pleather
warm scarab
people who find it comfortable are in the minority
you say this as if you are a market analyst man
candid cosmos
whats a good song to test soundstage and imaging?
unique wind
i like the tight stiched polyester earpads that hifiman uses now
i dont like velour or pleather as the contact fabric
warm scarab
if you're gonna use a velour pad, use a velour pad
yeah but why
I don't understand this take on the decision to use hybrid pads is obviously because the sound benefits from it
unique wind
i like the tight stiched polyester earpads that hifiman uses now
theyre not sticky, theyre not warm, theyre not itchy
candid cosmos
coz like if i have random parts in songs im just impressed how much wider it all feels compared to like everything else in ear i have xd
its to the part where i check if someone came into my room, which i never had xdd
haughty girder
i like the tight stiched polyester earpads that hifiman uses now
inb4 you realize Sony had this like 20 years ago
unique wind
the feeling of the loose velour fabric on the 400se earpads touching my head is so gross
haughty girder
whats a good song to test soundstage and imaging?
unique wind
whoever approved that material needs to be fired
hifiman agrees anyhow they switched to their current better material
warm scarab
you mean the sundara pads?
candid cosmos
Thriller by michael jackson is also wild asf
haughty girder
Thriller by michael jackson is also wild asf
bro discovered music
candid cosmos
like - iems. not speakers like wtf
warm scarab
lmfao
candid cosmos
bro discovered music
lmao xd
warm scarab
I mean I don't know man nexgen
candid cosmos
im talking like soundstage, never had something like that with in ears, even when like using hesuvi and stuff - which is btw extremely funny to use
warm scarab
you argue that market is dead but what is the time it takes for gpu series to release
unique wind
you never had soundstage with your kzs because their frequency response is fucked up
warm scarab
if anything that is more reason to have soundstage due to piercing treble
candid cosmos
you never had soundstage with your kzs because their frequency response is fucke...
zero reds also
and i dont feel like the dt990s were really better xd
haughty girder
you argue that market is dead but what is the time it takes for gpu series to re...
difference is that there's an oligopoly in the GPU space with 2 players, both release cards semi-annually
how long does it take for a market full head companies (headphones) to release one
warm scarab
you argue that market is dead but what is the time it takes for gpu series to re...
like 2 years for a headphone equivalent to a 800$ to release at half price is a very good sign that a market is doing something
same with audeze
unique wind
you mean the sundara pads?
hifiman use the same polyester contact fabric on all of their latest earpads im pretty sure
warm scarab
dudes broke the wireless market
haughty girder
ehh
unique wind
i know they do for sundara and the ananda/xs/he1000 line
warm scarab
like
candid cosmos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CuJqtNdcJU
this song is like how you wish dolby atmos was like lmao
(to be fair in an actual good setup it is, but thats another story)
warm scarab
2-3 years is a small amount of time for these types of technological movements
haughty girder
like 2 years for a headphone equivalent to a 800$ to release at half price is a ...
it's the driver tech maturing
candid cosmos
yea okay im impressed
unique wind
that's not an advancement in audio technology thats just hifiman finally not dramatically overcharging for the same headphone
warm scarab
it isn't
haughty girder
and it becoming cheaper to manufacture
warm scarab
they use different drivers
warm scarab
it's the driver tech maturing
yeah and?
this is literally why everything becomes cheaper
if you could manufacture plasma drivers that costed 20k for 5$ I assure you we'd see a different market today lmao
unique wind
things are really only getting cheaper because smaller companies are coming out and making the big namers shit themselves
by selling better products for far less
haughty girder
by that logic the 4090 being a schiitton faster than 3090, or 13900k over 12900k is a faster growing market
warm scarab
no its because we refine our means of production each advancing day
haughty girder
because it only took a year rather than 2
AND while it being a larger market, there's actually less competition
unique wind
moondrop was never in their right mind to charge $75-150 for mediocre single dynamic driver iems
haughty girder
no its because we refine our means of production each advancing day
we don't
warm scarab
true
unique wind
they just needed chifi brands to sell them for $25 before theyd be willing to drop their prices
warm scarab
and the gpu crisis never happened
because manufacturing never changes
nor is supply and demand real
haughty girder
We don't refine our means of production in a way that benefits consumers
warm scarab
economy is literally a hoax wtf thanks
unique wind
you cannot compare silicon manufacturing process improvements to audio gear
haughty girder
Ever heard of the saying "good audio will forever be good audio?"
warm scarab
yeah for speakers
haughty girder
How old is the DT880?
warm scarab
find me one ortodynamic from pre 2010 that is as good as an xs
warm scarab
How old is the DT880?
fuck off not even that good
tygr 300r and hd560s straight up beat it in everything not imaging
haughty girder
not even that good
candid cosmos
moondrop was never in their right mind to charge $75-150 for mediocre single dyn...
and then there are the killer chu
unique wind
isnt hd600 older than i am
haughty girder
bro
unique wind
and it's still one of the most well tuned headphones
haughty girder
it should be absolute trash if audio advanced compared to silicon
warm scarab
for headphones you have like 2 examples that aren't electostatics
do you know the difference between estats now and 40 years back
the ones today don't die arbitrarily
same reason why he6 stopped selling
it fucking died
constantly
unique wind
isnt hd600 older than i am
yeah 1997 lmao
candid cosmos
lmao
haughty girder
DT880 competing with modern headphones while being released 23ish years ago if you're comparing is like Pentium 4 competiting with modern i3s
it doesn't hold up.
warm scarab
I don't at all like the hd600 but if we were to say you are right that is still 1 example
candid cosmos
i also love how the hd600 is also often used as a reference to how other over ears sound like
warm scarab
DT880 competing with modern headphones while being released 23ish years ago if y...
this is like saying art doesn't improve because we didn't discover a new color
warm scarab
mics are a different market entirely
candid cosmos
almost if older cars were also just as good if not better as current ones
warm scarab
and u87 is overrated fuck the u87
candid cosmos
R32 to throw one in
warm scarab
I was so disappointed to listen to the u87
haughty girder
lul
warm scarab
literally immediately lost all interest who the fuck even made this thing cost 50k used
haughty girder
proof that audio doesn't advance anywhere near as fast as anything else
warm scarab
what sort of pseudoscience bullshit did people use to convince themselves that garbage is better than today's 50$ mics
warm scarab
proof that audio doesn't advance anywhere near as fast as *anything* else
I never said this
haughty girder
hell, even paper quality has advanced faster than audio
warm scarab
but you said that the audio market doesn't really improve
which is entirely wrong
dac scene improved drastically in the past 10 years
haughty girder
but you said that the audio market doesn't really improve
headphone market is
dead
iem is alive
unique wind
the only real genuine advancements we've seen in audio tech in the last few years are solid state IEM drivers and dan clark using AMTS to tune his headphones
both of which are extraordinarily expensive
candid cosmos
solid state iem - damy
steel escarp
theyre not sticky, theyre not warm, theyre not itchy
you just haven't had enough sweaty gaming sessions with them
haughty girder
the top recommendations and mentions in this servers were all released 20+ years ago
steel escarp
intel arc
warm scarab
shut up grey
haughty girder
lmfao
haughty girder
literally two only
yet it's advancing how much faster than the headphone market?
steel escarp
amt got no bass response
unique wind
what are you possibly talking about troll grey
warm scarab
yet it's advancing how much faster than the headphone market?
yeah and?
haughty girder
exactly.
unique wind
expanse has the best bass out of any open back headphone
steel escarp
expanse?
warm scarab
it advanced slower you said it doesn't advance
warm scarab
which is entirely incorrect
unique wind
i thought you were replying to me talking about AMTS
in dca headphones
not amt drivers
haughty girder
it advanced slower you said it doesn't advance
if you compared a snail to a car, the snail is not moving.
warm scarab
same way we got chips to cost 1/50th of what they used to with 50x the performance compared to 30 years back we are producing orthodynamics that are far more stable, far more affordable and far better sounding
how is this not advancing
what do you want man for fucking utopias to be sold at dollar stores?
unique wind
xs isnt even an improvement over hd600 unless you care about the fact that it can handle a bass shelf better
warm scarab
what is advancing if not this
steel escarp
vocals on xs is mid
warm scarab
xs isnt even an improvement over hd600 unless you care about the fact that it ca...
lol and lmao
thanks mr frequency response
steel escarp
yall need more tubed dt880
unique wind
like if youre gonne use eq sure xs is a much better platform
haughty girder
what do you want man for fucking utopias to be sold at dollar stores?
no, but I want the HD600 to stop costing 300
unique wind
but stock it's straight up worse tuned
warm scarab
how
haughty girder
or someone to release an equivalent headphone for less
unique wind
literally has a crater in the upper midrange eargain, and elevated jagged upper treble
warm scarab
no, but I want the HD600 to stop costing 300
sennheiser didn't do it
hifiaman did
so go cry to them
steel escarp
I bid 100 euros
steel escarp
cant wait for the guy to respond
gonna go to his house with my 1200 amp and compare 250 ohm model
warm scarab
literally has a crater in the upper midrange eargain, and elevated jagged upper ...
upper treble yes
unique wind
do you think 4090 will cost 1/2 its price 5 years forward in msrp?
4090 will lose half of its value in 5 years yes
if not faster
haughty girder
do you think 4090 will cost 1/2 its price 5 years forward in msrp?
yea actually. not in msrp but in people selling it
haughty girder
3090 already proved this
warm scarab
you can apply this argument you have to any other market
unique wind
gpu raster performance improvement has been pretty linear for the last little while
warm scarab
and realize how wrong you are
steep sierra
I bid 100 euros
nederland hon hon
unique wind
but AI improvements are gonna start being prioritized soon
already kinda has, theyre obsessed with upscaling and frame generation
warm scarab
gastronomy isn't improving because there isn't a breakthrough everyday
cars aren't improving because cars don't get faster anymore
steel escarp
why don't game devs just focus on optimizing their games
warm scarab
helicopters stopped being relevant because they aren't improving anymore
steel escarp
instead of adding 100 effects simaltaniously on screen
warm scarab
fighter planes aren't improving because f16 is still the most used fighter
unique wind
i honestly dont know grey, i can only chalk it up to them being rushed
warm scarab
uhh
steep sierra
why don't game devs just focus on optimizing their games
because that doesn't get you more players, so doesn't make em any money
warm scarab
military doesn't improve because only 1 war happened in like the recent 40 years
like
haughty girder
fighter planes aren't improving because f16 is still the most used fighter
what's the main criticisms of Canada's Airforce
warm scarab
you can take this market argument and apply it to anything and realize how wrong you are
steel escarp
we need a single platform like playstation
haughty girder
you wanna tell me?
candid cosmos
tbh in actual raw hardware performance we are also close to a practical wall, if we dont focus on optimizing - which to be fair they mostly try.
steel escarp
where performance is limited
haughty girder
it's actually kinda funny
steel escarp
and it has to be optimized for it
warm scarab
what's the main criticisms of Canada's Airforce
what is the criticism of hd600
costing 300$ after like 20 years
unique wind
you can just be a console gamer if you want that grey
warm scarab
holy heck lois
steel escarp
console pretty based
haughty girder
what is the criticism of hd600
You didn't answer my quesiton
unique wind
but there are some well optimized pc games coming out still
it's mostly the console game ports that fucking blow
warm scarab
You didn't answer my quesiton
I don't know you tell me
main halo
you can just be a console gamer if you want that grey
dyk a headphone i can get for like £60 ?
haughty girder
I'm not even joking Trudeau's plane was too old, had issues and had to emergency land in india
meanwhile our entire airforce is ourdated with F18s
unique wind
dyk a headphone i can get for like £60 ?
i dont know any at that price range that are worth buying
haughty girder
and only this year are they getting F35s
warm scarab
how many years took between f16 and f35 to be released wtf
dead market
on god these planes are the same
main halo
i dont know any at that price range that are worth buying
thx anyways bro
haughty girder
dead market
yea cause the market are... countries... not consumers
anyway it's actually Really funny
how outdated Canada's airforce is
that our PM somehow got stranded in india
and the joke was
candid cosmos
it looks nice and runs extremely well
And killed everything that made the game great
haughty girder
trudeau got stuck in two countries. Neither Canada nor India want him
candid cosmos
the lootboxes that were actually just for optics and you got trown them after as well as the leveling system - both gone.
haughty girder
we're missing 1/3 of our F18s
candid cosmos
Arcade lost everything because of the boxes, you loose interest in playing cause there are no more levels etc...
i hate it.
Yet i still play it when i get the chance.
haughty girder
military doesn't improve because only 1 war happened in like the recent 40 years
but it does
warm scarab
yeah like headphones
haughty girder
Weaponry has improved more than headphones in the last... century
nono
Like, we're actually getting cool schiit like the c-ram
what has headphones gotten in the past 100 years
warm scarab
getting cheaper
haughty girder
oh, a flat piece of plastic with a layer of copper and magnets and costs hundreds
even laptops are cheaper
lmao
warm scarab
I don't see you making a plastic with copper magnets and making millions
unique wind
i dont know if the headphone market will ever go through a boom like the iem market did
with it being inherently far more expensive and complicated to make and tune them
and takes far longer
haughty girder
i dont know if the headphone market will ever go through a boom like the iem mar...
less convenient, and yea far less margin on them than iems
candid cosmos
i wanna see over ears with wild combinations like triple est, 8BA and like 4DD
haughty girder
oh this is hilarious
candid cosmos
And i know this wont happen xd
warm scarab
you don't
haughty girder
i wanna see over ears with wild combinations like triple est, 8BA and like 4DD
you don't.
candid cosmos
lmao
haughty girder
introducing: the AKG K240 sextett
unique wind
please just let acoustic meta material come to lower priced headphones soon
warm scarab
remember real 5.1 in headphones
unique wind
and let random companies clone it
using it we can make actual strides in headphone improvement
warm scarab
introducing: the AKG K240 sextett
what was that triple driver headphone z reviewed
the trident?
warm scarab
no I am talking about something else
haughty girder
1more triple driver?
haughty girder
kk
haughty girder
it also sucks
unique wind
its not new but have you seen the uh
the wooden iem that costs like $10,000 and has an impedance of like 180ohms
haughty girder
there was also a rosewill one I think?
unique wind
and is fucking horrible
haughty girder
lmao
warm scarab
its not new but have you seen the uh
the thriller by michael jackson?
haughty girder
wait 180 ohms?
haughty girder
that's gotta be a resistor
warm scarab
is it a planar
unique wind
go look at its frequency response
haughty girder
so it's a ribbon
unique wind
it's so fucking bad
haughty girder
idc
I know what it is already
it's a proof of concept
it makes sense actually
unique wind
bro he sold it for like $13k originally i think
i wonder if anyone actually bought it
unique wind
i know they exist but i dont have their measurements memorized or anything
unique wind
thats better than i thought it would be
raw loom
Got my eye on the sony wf-1000xm5, coming from galaxy buds. Would 300 euros be a decent price at this point? Any other earbuds i should keep in mind?
I tried galaxy buds 2 pro's last week but had to return them due to insane wind noise
steel escarp
<@782380557983940618> have you played overwatch 2?
Hell naw
somber shuttle
Decided to take good photo of my current setup.
silent haven
Nice
lean grove
Dudes got the casting couch
haughty girder
Got my eye on the sony wf-1000xm5, coming from galaxy buds. Would 300 euros be a...
anytime you have wind, turn off anc
the opposite of white noise is white noise
And ends up just sounding worse
it doesn't matter whose anc you're using
novel fern
I bid 100 euros
Had those, Did like them alot.
Also did not require that much power to run either, Despite being 600 ohm.
novel fern
Raals are really cool headphones. Probably really nice feeling to not have something hugging your face.
violet socket
these things stood out at LTX just for being so fucking weird
never before has audio equipment made me go "but why tho" but they definitely did it
fresh frost
what in the hell is this lmao
haughty girder
what in the hell is this lmao
really cool conceptn't of a ribbon headphone
it's actually decent for like, new implementations of tech
lean grove
Gaming headphones
weak rapids
Basically, fucking garbage
Might be some hope for the snowball variant
But lower quality and $50 more for the yeti is awful
warm scarab
blue yeti
the mad lads they did it again
they engineered sub 20$ sound for 150$
this brings me a tear, tradition is still alive
white gate
iirc golden said it's not bad
Raal does some stuff exceptionally. It's crazy resolving, timbre is among the best I've heard period, and naturally soundstage is pretty awesome.
BUT, they are INSANELY difficult to drive, and also the subbass rolloff is pretty significant.
Using those with a subwoofer is super dumb but super good
lean grove
Raal does some stuff exceptionally. It's crazy resolving, timbre is among the be...
Is it worth it over the over ear version
white gate
Is it worth it over the over ear version
They're just completely different tbh
CA-1A is much more sensible as an all rounder headphone. But SR1B has better timbre and imaging precision
haughty girder
dam
warm scarab
lav mics are op so those dont count
weak rapids
Blue yetis will end up selling for more cause they are no longer made lol
People possibly gonna spend $200 on a blue yeti on the marketplace in 5 years
Summers back
haughty girder
People possibly gonna spend $200 on a blue yeti on the marketplace in 5 years
no?
AT2020usb proved this
the moment it got outdated the price dropped like crazy
weak rapids
The yeti has been outdated for years and people still spend full price for it
But now they can’t anymore, its not manufactured
violet socket
lol I can hear how shit that logitech yeti mic sounds through a cellphone speaker
150 bucks for something that sounds like that, incredible work Logitech once again
candid folio
okay, so
windows cant change the volume of my headphones using system volume (individual volume works), is there any work around for this, such as using software to set a preamp when the volume is lowered / raised
steep sierra
EqualizerAPO?
fallen mulch
Hi, I need a bass-head IEM for under 50$. What should I buy?
lean grove
Hi, I need a bass-head IEM for under 50$. What should I buy?
Truthear zero red are a little over $50 but they're still really good.
unique wind
Hi, I need a bass-head IEM for under 50$. What should I buy?
qkz x hbb khan or truthear zero red
those two have the best bass in that price bracket
fallen mulch
what about dq6s?
lean grove
What about it
warm scarab
jesus christ
alpine musk
drowsy fulcrum
laptop speakers have gotten better
unique wind
the ones on my macbook are pretty okay
drowsy fulcrum
the ones in my laptop are better than my old laptop
dark crypt
Hey guys I’m brand new to this so don’t make fun of me, but how would I go about buying speakers/subwoofers for my pc? I have some extra money and I want to pimp out my room. Are pc speaks / subs different from those in a car? I’m assuming they are at least a little different but I honestly have no clue. Any recommendations?
lean grove
Hey guys I’m brand new to this so don’t make fun of me, but how would I go about...
fundimentally they're the same but practically there are differences. so you could use car speakers for room speakers, but really the only reason ive seen someone do that is because they're more familiar with car audio and have some speakers laying around. i dont think anyone who wants to build nice hifi speakers would ever use car speakers.
how much money do you want to spend?
dark crypt
fundimentally they're the same but practically there are differences. so you cou...
I don’t know how much. What would I be looking at for some mid to high range speakers? I definitely want lots of heavy bass, my drummer brain can’t handle any differently
lean grove
well if you want mid to high range speakers that can easily be a few thousand.
dark crypt
Wow ok I wasn’t sure they were that expensive
What are good brands?
Maybe not quite that amount of money, I’d be willing to spend around a thousand
lean grove
if you're looking at the few hundred range, edifier has good stuff. something like the s350db would be really good at a desk.
vanatoos are also pretty sweet
dark crypt
Should I get speakers with subwoofers or should I get separate subs?
I’m willing to lay down some money for good bass
lean grove
well. if you get a 2.1 system like the s350db they're kinda linked together. if you ever wanna upgrade them, you're gonna have to upgrade the entire thing.
if you get something like the vanatoos which are stereos speakers that have a subwoofer out, you can easily mix and match down the line
the 2.1 systems are probably gonna play nice together right out of the box, but they also will have more limiations on placement.
wheras a seperate sub you can get a really long sub cable or a wireless subwoofer transmitter and place it wherever you want
so if you're the type to fiddle and otpimize, i would definitely get the seperate systems
if you want to set it and forget it, get the 2.1 system
dark crypt
I am definitely one to optimize
So do any subs work with any speakers? Are there compatibility issues?
What subs would you recommend?
lean grove
subwoofers generally have 3 ways to hook up to them.
first one is the low level inputs.
you basically put the subwoofer in front of the entire music signal, it takes the bass for itself and then filters out the rest and sends that to the speakers
with this way you're basically trusting the subwoofer to handle the hard work for you. if you have a really nice subwoofer this can be alright. if you have a really cheap subwoofer.... then maybe you'll wind up with some hissing or worse sound quality
alternatively, if you have a speaker or speaker amp that has a dedicated sub out, then you can just use this guy
and you're basicalyl telling the sub "i dont care what you think. let me just tell you what to play." and the sub will play whatever your speakers or amp tells it to. this is, in my opinion, the best.
and sometimes you have a subwoofer with these connectors which let you hook up an amplifier directly to the subwoofer. and it can intercept the high powered signal like the first line in and line out connectors, or you can give it the entire music signal and tell it to only play the bass
this way is also really good, especially if you have an amplifier which doesnt have a subwoofer output. but it only works with passive speakers. so a separate amplifier and unpowered speakers.
are you in the us @dark crypt ?
dark crypt
Yes I am
Also, thank you so much for the help!
You definitely didn’t have to go this in depth
Thank you!
lean grove
i have had some vanatoo speakers in the past and i loved them.
i havent heard anything about these new ones but the old transparent ones were really good
dark crypt
Are those just speakers, not subs?
lean grove
just speakers
dark crypt
Would this be good
lean grove
and by themselves, they have pretty damn good bass
lean grove
klipsch is kinda like, idk. they have some good stuff and a lot of mediocre stuff
dark crypt
Oh ok
lean grove
their heritage stuff is really cool. and recently their stuff has gotten better since people nowadays take apart their speakers and say how cheap they are
but for the most part, you can do better
dark crypt
What subs would you recommend
lean grove
i mean, ideally you could get something from RSL, REL, or Rythmik
but with the speakers those might be a bit out of the budget
meanwhile monoprice has some really good stuff that'll fit in the budget
the SW-15 is what i would recommend but its mega chunky
dark crypt
I might just get the speakers for now and the get a sub in the future
lean grove
yeah.
dark crypt
Would I have to buy a super expensive sub to get like window shaking bass
That’s what I really want
Lol
lean grove
with subs, the reason you get nicer ones is to go low and go loud
the decent ones can go low or go loud
but not both
dark crypt
Ahh
lean grove
but, realistically at a desk, loud really isn't a huge concern
bookmark either one of these and check in on them every couple weeks or so
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=41499
https://www.jbl.com/home-audio/SUB+550P.html
the 550p goes on sale for $150, i just bought one and in my cart it was $120
dark crypt
That feels cheap, is that a decent price?
lean grove
it is cheap
dark crypt
Like in quality?
dark crypt
Ok cool
lean grove
like you dont need THX certification, or variable phase, or multiple DSP settings
dark crypt
Ill for sure look into it in the future
dark crypt
like you dont need THX certification, or variable phase, or multiple DSP setting...
Yeah I don’t even know what that is
lean grove
the jbl one i think its beecause its refurbished.
i have no idea how its so low. its built really well
dark crypt
i have no idea how its so low. its built really well
And yours is the first or second link?
lean grove
mine is the sub550p