audio-tech

[candid cosmos]

The speedcore and camellia genre (the dude simply does everything...) is a clear win for kz, the zero:reds feel boring there.

not bad or something, its just ye.

[unique wind]

nvm i found it

[supple stag]

quick question guys, ive working on a laptop and want to use 2 extra screens, but only got 1 hdmi output, can i use a hdmi splitter 2into1 to work? can windows track it than as 2 seperate screens so i can use expanded mode on windows to work with them ? or would it just showing the same like mirroing on the 2 than?

[candid cosmos]

there isnt really such a device. At most it mirrors.

btw michael, if you wanna know how weird jcore can be.

Hello (BPM) 2021 - Camellia.

Another song where the kz clearly win.

[unique wind]

pink panther theme goes hard

[candid cosmos]

lmao

[unique wind]

this sounds like it would be really annoying on a treble boosted iem

it sounds as i would expect it to on the reds

[candid cosmos]

Good thing the kz arent that much treble boosted xdd

cause bass also,

but ye i get it.

DT990 hurts there

[warm scarab]

audio tech?

[candid cosmos]

yeeeees now we are talking

kz kills that type of music xdd

if you can call it music

cause it might also be white noise

t/a/n/a/s/i/n/n is also wild with them

(also camellia)

also im glad i got all the flacs of my japanese music through ugh ways.

might be a piece of mind thing, but i strongly prefer that over youtube. Spotify is better but ye, again might be a mind thing with the flacs...

Im actually veeeeery curious to try the zero:reds on games.

Maybe tomorrow, idk.

Daaym found a comparision between zs10 pro x and non x.

x is red.

Yea i see why i like the x more.

[unique wind]

both are mud cannons

[candid cosmos]

actually dont really feel like it - but ye whatever

its more vshaped than anything.

But not a bass only thing or whatever

which i HATE just sain.

Either way im goin to bed, but im happy i bought the zero:reds, but i was right from the beginning, i wont prefer them over the kz flatout.

now i just have to wait for the tips lmao

[unique wind]

goodnight man

[candid cosmos]

what im unsure about tho is the cable, dont know if i like it yet, for the zero:reds.

But imma hold onto spending another 10-20 euro on one lol

Especially since theres basically 0 functional benefit

[haughty girder]

if you ever need a better cable, there are plenty of really nice two pin cables because they actually use a standardized connector

[candid cosmos]

i know

[haughty girder]

you don't even need to spend a lot on one

the point is you have options

you don't get that with kz

[candid cosmos]

only bad thing, they need another one than kz, which is annoying.

ofc you get that.

[haughty girder]

more like

kz decided

[candid cosmos]

even easier tbh

[haughty girder]

they wanted to make their own connector

just different enough that it can't be used with literally everyone else

[candid cosmos]

either way i like the kz cables xd

at least the copper one, i love the look

[haughty girder]

it's a qdc connector that has pin spacing just different enough (by literally .02mm) that you can't fit a normal qdc or two pin cable on

you can even use a normal 2 pin on qdc

[candid cosmos]

and the mic, but thats only used on phone when otg, so no benefit of getting that for the zero reds.

[haughty girder]

it's so stupid

then again, KZ was the one who tried to get paid reviews

[candid cosmos]

just tested, it works but fits like shit.

Either way i find the connector on kz better tbh, doesnt give me the feeling of trusting 2 thinn ass pins, the round connector tho is very cool, but neither use them.

[haughty girder]

uh

it's literally QDC but worse

[candid cosmos]

isnt it just qdc?

[haughty girder]

no

[candid cosmos]

coz like they fit

[haughty girder]

it's QDC but with thinner pins and tighter spacing

if the cable pins can bend a bit then yes it fits

[candid cosmos]

huh wait

[haughty girder]

if they can't bend then haha get fcked

it's .75mm qdc versus .78mm like everyone else

both actual QDC and 2 pin use .78mm pins

and the same pin spacing, so a .78mm cable can work on a qdc iem

[candid cosmos]

well if its not fitting qdc im f-d

will see.

[haughty girder]

oh also QDC and KZ having the polarity switched

[candid cosmos]

lmao

[haughty girder]

normally

It will work fine, but if you know what to look for there's gonna also be a difference in sound

anyways that's my rant about KZ cables for the day because it's not QDC but their own version which makes no sense bye

[candid cosmos]

very great cause i just got a 4.4mm cable to utilize my amps balanced port

Will see.

thing is they advertise kz compatability, im talking kbear

KZ and QDC manufacturers commonly use the 0.75mm 2-pin sizes, while most other IEM manufacturers stick to the standard 0.78mm 2-pin size. Furthermore, KZ and QDC manufacturers use the recessed 2-pin connector.

This would proof my research

so ye idk.

[unique wind]

you’re supposed to be in bed

[candid cosmos]

I am

Doesnt mean im sleeping

[warm scarab]

go to sleep this moment

or else

[stray rapids]

Are Klipsch R41ms alright for speakers?

I've been looking for something decent but not too expensive

[lean grove]

Uhhhhh Klipsch has a few good stuff in a mountain of mediocre stuff. The 41ms are in the mediocre category. How much are you looking to spend, where are you gonna be using these, and do you already have an amp?

[stray rapids]

probably around 100-200 cad?

and no :<

I've been also considering a pair of Edifer R1280Ts instead since they're a bit cheaper

[lean grove]

I would definitely pick those over the 41's

[stray rapids]

oh ok thanks

[elfin mulch]

anyone know the best sound card on the market?

[elfin mulch]

building a dedicated SDVX arcade data box and i dont want the extra latency of a USB dac

needs to be pcie interface

[lean grove]

ah. in that case no idea.

sound cards aren't really something thats relevent for most people these days

@ocean pulsar might know

[elfin mulch]

yeah its kind of a odly specific use case that it actually makes sense in

[lean grove]

if he doesnt respond you might need to ping him instead. there's a 50/50 he's got me blocked.

[ocean pulsar]

nah lel

use the digital outs of the built in audio codec if your motherboard has em

[elfin mulch]

i could get a fancy low latency PCIE pro audio interface but those are like $700 +

[ocean pulsar]

also keep in mind the latency from the computer isnt from the interface, its from the protocol

the fanciest of audio interfaces is gonna have 10ms of latency if you run through the standard audio stack on anything

[lean grove]

can you just nuke the buffer and lower the latency on a lot of stuff

[ocean pulsar]

pretty frequently yea, theres a project on github called REAL or reduce audio latency that sets it as low as the device allows

for windows

sometimes you gotta mess with drivers tho, often the windows update drivers are the lowest latency, and downloading the special ones from the manufacturer disables the lower latency options

[candid cosmos]

Sdvx isnt that latency Limited, considering its Limited to 60fps if you go true emulated. Usc is Usc so ye.

In which case any Interface where you can Set the Buffer size - f. E. Any fiio one would be more than you could even utilize.

Or like, anthing proper tbh.

[candid cosmos]

can it be that balanced amatures sound pretty different other than the pure freq response? I feel like i somehow dont really like the sound of the zero reds all that much while it doesnt sound off or something - its really weird...

[buoyant vale]

You've just got used to terrible treble

[candid cosmos]

it cant be that terrible tho, cause i like my mackie cr5-x cause they also sound very bright

and they are pretty well tuned id say...

Like the explaination i gave yesterday is pretty fitting, the zero reds sound like theres a thin sheet of fabric, like there is treble and all, its also not like wrong or too silent or whatever, but its missing something.

like eq and all also does nothing obv.

Its actually just weird, cannot explain it

[candid cosmos]

also even looking at graphs i sill dont find the x terrible, the non x are worse ye.

and again i really dont think its the pure freq response

[nova wagon]

That is true

Measurements only tells you part of an iem performance

[candid cosmos]

well nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7dc8kAp4rc

Daym look what i just found

i actually didnt know that the ncix vids arent that old

[nova wagon]

https://squig.link/?share=Super_22_Target,Moondrop_Aria,Truthear_Zero_Red,KZ_ZS10_Pro_X
If I have to guess, the lackluster feeling you experience from the red might correlate to the 8-10k region?

Cause the zs10 pro x has an extra hump, which some describe as shouty?

[candid cosmos]

i really cannot say, cannot test that precise

[nova wagon]

https://forum.headphones.com/t/headphone-evaluation-test-tracks/348/174?u=resolve
Feel free to keep on testing, after all, critical listening is a skill

https://youtu.be/h0TOJJAsqsY?si=9S72mJJFHVKLhXck

Oh also this

[candid cosmos]

might be around there actually

still dont know if its only because of that..

Coz that song doesnt listen correct on the kz when listening side by side, but everything outside of the range, believe much higher freq does.

I really cannot understand it.

Cause like - the zero reds have a huge bump around 13k which i should pick up -

so its simply just weird

[nova wagon]

Also you can tap on the region label for a more subjective description

Something like this

[candid cosmos]

air xd

now i found an interesting thing - hol on

in a freq test video i can at least actually hear that the reds get much louder around 13k compared to the kz and vise versa with about 10k

Both uncomfortable while the rest is fine

so im back at 0 cause i still cannot get what exactly makes me like the kz signature more xd

cause if i actually try to pinpoint it, i dislike it.

i really guess i cannot find out xd

[nova wagon]

You see the problem right?
Freq response tells you if at a certain frequency how loud does the test headphone produce that freq
Music is a mix of different sound at different freq that creates harmony, it's harder to tell if one headphone is worse than the other.
Also your human subjectivity affects your impression as well

Maybe you just like spicier treble than the average human

[candid cosmos]

ye i get all that, still weird that if i try to pinpoint anything i magically like the other one more

and also weird that when i tried around with eq lifting certain spots id didnt make anthing in terms of getting closer to what i like about the other one - or like i just didnt like it.

Coz like that was my first guess

[nova wagon]

Yea, I think that's your subjective preference
Pretty sure you can tell if a song sounds different between the 2 right?

[candid cosmos]

lol

reverse, if i make the bump at 9-10khz lower i like the sound even more - this is just getting weird.

on the kz

like -

i really dont know what i like about the sound

[nova wagon]

Hmmm

Don't mind switching gear back to the bass region?

[candid cosmos]

ye its not that

if anything i like it even more on the zeros

relatively big bump at 13khz and lowering 10khz a bit, makes me like the kz more - its only rough - but bruh i dont get it.

either way im keeping both and will most likely switch around a lot

Coz like for pinpointing stuff i find the zero reds better again...

like gaming lol

[nova wagon]

Yea that's expected imo. Cheap iem dynamic driver usually has pretty sloppy bass control.

Zero blue and red are apparently damn good for shooting games

[candid cosmos]

yea for me its more like soundstage, directions being easier to guess and stuff

[patent folio]

Hi! I have an audio system that only has scart in for audio (it's quite old). Is there any kind of adapter that I can buy to hook it up to my computer via HDMI or Audio Jack?

[nova wagon]

There are adapters for scart to HDMI, I think you need to find one that is an active adaptor cause SCART is analog and HDMI is digital

[patent folio]

Alright, thanks!

[candid cosmos]

fun thing, using eq apo, and the target as well as device responses i tried to tune them, they sound more simelar then very simelar even when it comes to pure freq response, yet still kinda prefer the sound the kz deliver cause theres still something different. But well i also only gone up to 16-17khz cause im not eqing +20-30db at 20khz.

Well i guess i wont find out.

gonna disable that all again and be done for now xd

outcome, i like both, for different things

[candid cosmos]

On mobile, cause im now trying them daily, i ended up with that eq. (for the Zero reds)

Very weird, like said they feel more bassy than the kz, even when the graph tells another Story.

I dont get it xD

[nova wagon]

remember how klaus said you are confusing dynamic and slam to bass quantity?

thats prob whats happening here

[candid cosmos]

Id say its more because of the kz seemingly having more treble or something, dunno how the Bass can feel that much more pronounced.

[nova wagon]

prob

[candid cosmos]

Tried more treble at first but that sounded - weird.

[nova wagon]

prob also due to the driver config of the red, two dynamic facing against each other

[candid cosmos]

But what i also think that my phone alltogether has a warm tonality, hidden eq or smth.

I noticed the same on my kz.

Tho not to a degree that id eq that away.

Coz like, i can belive a lot in like mind when stuff sounds different, but ye. I heavily believe my phone is far from flat.

The most fun thing is, i even read about it. Article about changing the Region from germany to Singapur or USA, where USA gave a "fuller" Sound over the speakers.

This would be very funny if thats actually it. Have to try later.

[severe hare]

Guys i bought, a adapter that split 1 input to 2 inputs of mic/sound and when i connect my lapel mic doest work on mic part but if i connect my headset the mic works, it says the adapter only supports 3 pin (TRS) and my lapel mic is 3 pins... any idea?

if i connect the mic directly into the pc works fine

soo basically everything works

but when splitted doesnt

[haughty girder]

its because it has a proper bass tuck and shelf

and the bass doesn't bleed into the mids

[candid cosmos]

Still weird tbh

Cause its mostly subbass, while the kz have more and wider - so its weird

[haughty girder]

It's far more "neutral" than the KZ

ofc it'll be weird

you're used to bass that bleeds into the mids

so bass and low mid basically become one big shelf

then you got a dip in the mids before another treble boost for that V shaped sound...

really popular for rap and hip hop where the instrumentals are simple

[unique wind]

kz mud cannons

[candid cosmos]

The kz seem more v shape and feel less Bass heavy, the Zero reds feel like you have lower treble and lifted Bass

[candid cosmos]

Well - its hk target, not neutral

Kz is vshape

Or u - idk.

Either way its still weird. Especially when i tune both with their response and still prefer the kz for most Songs i Listen to

Really dont get it xd

[warm scarab]

man

[lean grove]

Sound profile: mud with broken glass in it.

[warm scarab]

touch grass

[candid cosmos]

I agree on the Profile Nils described - with Stock kz tips.

Otherwise - yea no

But i found another thing about the Zero reds i really like, the longer cable.

Literally every cable i found is 1.2m long, which is too short for Desktop, the reds have like 1.5m

And they have the cable Management thingy Linus also loves

And i know that the cable is changeable. Im still happy that it just came like that

[frosty ocean]

im having zero luck using my UBP player to rip this SACD...but having listened to it...i dont regret buying the CD

[frosty ocean]

awwwww, this portable player doesnt support 64-bit floating point WAV....this sucks</s>

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BXKR8TDX/

i wonder if it would be cheaper to buy a non-portable device...

[candid cosmos]

found out a thing.

Putting on the kbear 07 in small on the zero reds, which normally would be too small (coz i use M- aka the back ones) but on the larger nozzle it seems to work fine ish, makes them sound like id expect given how the 2 graphs compare.

Soooo imma leave it like that since the sound is much less bass heavy this way, its just like when i stuff too large tips in my ears which also lifts bass.

Bonus points, the iems dont make my ear hurt anymore after short time. Bonus 2 i dont have to change the tips everytime when swapping iems. Bonus 3 the red matches with the iems.

[frosty ocean]

up until you mentioned your ear, i was trying to imagine what sort of instrument or electronics would have a nozzle

[candid cosmos]

lmao

[frosty ocean]

use the spit valve!

in the sink!

[weak rapids]

Bruh

My schools like podcast room or smthn has re27s

Why would you use re27s

[lean grove]

more importantly why does your school have a podcast room

moneybucks private school or something?

[weak rapids]

Its a college

[warm scarab]

probably for the public announcement system

[frosty ocean]

would it be overkill to buy a 50 dollar player to play music at work using the store speakers(we currently are using a onkyo mini reciever i got for 5 dollars)

[warm scarab]

yes

define player

[frosty ocean]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BXKR8TDX/

[warm scarab]

yes

i mean

you don't really need this

[frosty ocean]

would it be overkill to use a Note3?

[warm scarab]

its just store speakers

[candid cosmos]

Im f-ing shocked again how much of a difference tips make.

Suddenly the zero:reds became - fun.

[warm scarab]

as long as your dac isn't super trash you wont be noticing a difference

waste of money

[frosty ocean]

so, my Note3 should be fine?

[warm scarab]

anything should be fine for this context

[candid cosmos]

your nintendo 3ds would be fine tbh

[frosty ocean]

for me, i think the real factor is the software

[warm scarab]

well that is an entirely different subject

go get it if you want the convenience

sound wise it will be dumb that is all I am saying

[frosty ocean]

the ability to make playlists on the fly by adding a whole folder at once makes or breaks the whole ordeal

im using the android version on rockbox that was modified by some random chinese person to work on modern android(from what i remember i think the original author refuses to care that the android app doesnt work on android above 2.3 or 4.1

[lean grove]

if you just need something for everyone to use i dont think there'd by anything w rong with that. but these music players are really just gimped android phones with a half decent dac in it.
alternatively you can buy a crusty tablet from the used market and buy a half-decent dongle dac for $20.

[frosty ocean]

i might buy it just to see how it is, but yeah, for work i'll probably just stick to my Note3.
If I want to use a DAC dongle, I think i'd have to use my Note8(it has USB C)

not sure how long it'd last though. My Note3 has a 7500mAh battery. so it's got enough battery, even for a 12 hour shift

[lean grove]

keep it plugged in all the time?

oh with a dongle that might be hard... lol..

uhh you can get adapters that charge and let usb work with something else

[frosty ocean]

as you said, it shouldnt matter with just store speakers, and I really dont think the Note8 has that much better hardware than the Note3

[wintry mirage]

is it dangerous to listen to music at 85-90dba for long periods of time

[warm scarab]

yes

[frosty ocean]

personally, i try to never go past 0db

[warm scarab]

real

[haughty girder]

Harman? That's neutral ish

bass shelf location and pinna gain are neutral

[candid cosmos]

Gave the reason what was going on there

[soft prairie]

need help finding a pair of headphones below 150. looking for open back and i mostly game. im in us and would prefer amazon
i was looking at pc38X/PC37X but also notices that EPOS/Senn has made more around the price but i dont know enough about headphones to decide to pick.

[haughty girder]

stick with 38x

don't bother with other ones

[soft prairie]

ooh okok. thank you. audio is hard and confusing. i just want good sound. i was told to get turtle beach prior so

[haughty girder]

oh shit

turtle Beach might make some of the worst headsets I've tried

[soft prairie]

oh

[haughty girder]

I'd argue not better than generic headsets from amazon

[soft prairie]

fudge

i guess gaming brands are normally bad

[haughty girder]

If you must, HyperX cloud ii and cooler master mh751 are the best closed back headsets

[warm scarab]

just stick to 38x

ez

[haughty girder]

actually the cloud alphas

but if open back is fine

get pc38x

it's just better than just about everything else on the market with a mic

[soft prairie]

what about without a mic

i actually have a standalone mic

[soft prairie]

i was just told those were good

[haughty girder]

oh

then your options like

go crazy

[soft prairie]

crazy?

like good crazy?

[haughty girder]

for open back you have the dt880, k612, hd560s, hd6xx, etc.

[soft prairie]

oh let me go to google

[warm scarab]

tygr 300r > dt880

[haughty girder]

tygr300r for gaming sure

iirc tygr is closer to a 990 than 880

[soft prairie]

they also over budget

[haughty girder]

like a 990 but damped better

anyway dt880 can be had for relatively inexpensive

[soft prairie]

yyee

[warm scarab]

tygr is 990 but it has an actually good bass shelf

[lean grove]

Buy a susvara

[soft prairie]

the pc38 are only ones under the budget though. sads.

susvara?

ome

[unique wind]

pc38x are great

[warm scarab]

susvara are great

[haughty girder]

that's fine, it's solid

[soft prairie]

okok then

[muted mural]

i wonder if focal will make a focal bathys 2

if they did when do you guys think they would release them im guessing maybe 2 years

[lean grove]

well it took them 42 years to release the first bathys.

maybe we'll see something in 2065?

[desert junco]

If anyone wondering about the Sennheiser ie200, dont bother with truehear hexa, theyre less detailed and have have alot less "umpth"? Id 100% pay the difference, the only issue i found was that the tips where rubbish and the cable wire broke after about 4 months to which jts a pain getting a replacement (60£)🤷

Anyone have any suggestions for cables mmcx 🥲 tried linsoul, they sucked so my only option is for 70 quids worth of it

[unborn gale]

just get whatever is cheap

[feral pine]

Not too cheap tho

[haughty moon]

I got the pc37x and I really like them either for gaming or music listening. The clamp is a bit strong at first.
i don't know about the pc38x ... I would really like to try them and compare them with the pc37x myself, but I have to put money somewhere else at some point.

still I prefer the k612pro for music listening

[steel escarp]

you can stretch the headband till it dont cramp no more

idk tbh, headphone is plastic might just break inlike metal beyers

[haughty moon]

most likely yes

[lean grove]

thats just the way sennheisers are, unfortunately

up until you get the hd800

[haughty moon]

I suppose that the hd560s would be similar in clamping force

[unborn gale]

Thoughts on Fostex headphone amplifiers?

[lean grove]

The only fostex products I've heard anything good about is their biodyna and full range drivers

[unborn gale]

Also looking at the Parasound Zdac v2

[silent haven]

Who said hyper x cloud 2 is the best closed back headphone

[cosmic wraith]

Is it a free program to hear the microphone better?

[haughty girder]

nobody says that?

normies say it's the WHXM4/5

people who know say like K371, SRH840, etc.

Unless you were talking about me when I said headsets not headphones

which just points out your ignorance

[silent haven]

20 dollar lapel mic sounds better than every "headset" out there

all the mics are criminally bad

and headphones are worse

[candid cosmos]

Headphones are almost always waaay better.

10 Euro iem cable with mic better than basically any Headset xD

Earbuds are trash tho.

Btw what do peps think about this way of storing iems?

Also low poly lol - 5min fusion360 Sketch

[quiet ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101571959097135236/1154848087982997524/IMG_0068.mov

frequency test: its loud so watch out

[molten lotus]

Searching for a good Bluetooth (version 5.0) headset with aux support, sound should be accurate. Under 15k inr

[dense turtle]

hey guys, any recommended headphones?
about 150$ - 180$ budget.
for gaming and music mainly.

[wintry mirage]

so this is dangerous

apparently that's accurate within 2 decibels it says

i had it mostly where my head would usually be just slightly lower

and i can turn it up more than that

[warm scarab]

"The duration of safe listening time decreases rapidly as the sound intensity increases. For example, if one listens at an average volume of 80dB (decibels), one can keep listening safely for up to 40 hours a week. However, if you choose to listen at a volume of 90dB, four hours per week is all you have for listening safely."

congratulations on ear damage

[wintry mirage]

ive had ear damaged for like 11 years

[warm scarab]

im not surprised

[wintry mirage]

well i do mechanical engineering as well but the machines have a limit of 85db

[warm scarab]

machines also mess up your hearing a lot

especially jack drill operators though I doubt mechanical engineers use those

[wintry mirage]

well im doing it in college

[livid spoke]

protect your hearing for real

[candid cosmos]

I use my iems instead of hearing protection

Works veeeeery great tho obv.

[wintry mirage]

its a shame i cant measure how loud my sub is with that meter because it mostly only works from 30hz to 18khz

[warm scarab]

just measure at 30hz?

[dense turtle]

anyone?

[warm scarab]

pc38x

hd560s if you don't want a mic

[unique wind]

akg k371 if you want a closed back instead

[edgy nymph]

I need some audio enthusiast to give me a hand I need someone to design the ultimate surround sound setup for my tv. I have 2 wires for speakers which go the front corner and the back corner.

I do not mind if it is wire or not and there is not budget I just wan r an amazing setup. Are there any advantages or disadvantages of having a wired setups compared to a wireless one

[warm scarab]

wireless surround will be really dumb

you will need to connect power cords to speakers anyways

anyhow, if you have no budget you can speak to an atmos technician

they can set up a system for you for around 100-500k usd

[edgy nymph]

Ok when i thought abotsound i did not know it could reach those prices so now i know let me re phrase the budget is 10K

[lean grove]

@unique wind https://youtu.be/CHJGwVBGPXE

[unique wind]

time for a watch

[limber cliff]

Is the Presonus Eris speakers good for low level mixing and general audio listening? (Will get the sub too)

[candid cosmos]

Had the 4.5, liked them a lot.

[real wasp]

is the Behringer PP400 any good for 23€?

[candid cosmos]

But i do like my mackie cr5-x a lot more.

Only thing i dont like about mackie is the Sub, has no cut for the lower freq, aka the Sub and speakers play them...

[candid cosmos]

But what i will say, dont get the 3.5

[lean grove]

I mean they'll make sound but the Eris speakers have a bad habit of over tuning the bass port so it makes them seem like they have more bass. But really it's just a huge bump at like 100hz or something

I would highly recommend saving up for a lsr305 or Kali lp6 v2

vs the kalis

[unique wind]

wow

[lean grove]

yeah. the 3.5 sucks

[candid cosmos]

Shame that so many use them for Desktop use xD

But to be fair, they are at least better than anything consumer orientated lol

[lean grove]

are the eris not consumer orientated

[candid cosmos]

Wouldnt say so

Or like - not basic User

[lean grove]

they're definitely not pro orientated

[candid cosmos]

No that not

Like Hobby stuff - thats what it feels like

But its not like logitech f. E.

And at least usable lol

[lean grove]

logitech is garbage that people buy when they do a quick google search

[candid cosmos]

Exactly

[lean grove]

presonus is garbage that people buy when they do a thurough google search.

really its just another layer down from the surface.

[candid cosmos]

Thats what i meant by consumer orientated.

Tho something like - mainstream would be more fitting.

[lean grove]

sure

[candid cosmos]

Either way, 3.5 truely succ

Or like - at least imo.

[unique wind]

they objectively suck

[candid cosmos]

If you want something smol - and only want like have Sound at all - at least better than logitech.

Like for used price i would not know anything better. For new - ye.

Like used you can get pretty good deals - still not Amazing, but for 45 Euros i liked the 4.5 a lot xD

Sold them for 60

[lean grove]

the 4.5s look as cheaply built as the 3.5

but the bigger woofer probably helps slightly

[candid cosmos]

They are xd

And yes, a heck lot better.

Still, like my cr5-x muuuuuch more. And they are also pretty cheap.

[lean grove]

any time you see this on an audio product you know things are cheap

[candid cosmos]

[warm scarab]

its like

for people who want studio gear

but have no idea what studio gear should do apart from have "studio" in the name

[limber cliff]

Alright so what do you all recommend for light mixing but mostly playback (not an audiophile and would prefer something not completely flat)

I was using the Logitech z533 and a set of equator d5s but I blew the Logitech speakers after 3 years of ownership.

[haughty girder]

what is light mixing

[warm scarab]

mixing for underweight people

[limber cliff]

A Live stream

[warm scarab]

its tough to call that mixing

[limber cliff]

I had a feeling🤦🏾‍♂️😭

I think I am going to settle for the Logitech Z623 and monitor my stream using my m50x. Down the road I'll look at something more professional.

[warm scarab]

m50x is meme level

k361 should be similarly priced

and leagues ahead

[lean grove]

Yeah get some in-ears and use the saved money on better speakers. Edifier mr4 would be way better than the Eris.

[cobalt sparrow]

with the MR4's- you need to sit REALLY close to it for any sort of bass.

and they distort a LOT at around 80dB

they can go for 80usd on sale, i'd wait for that tho

130 usd rn

[lean grove]

looks like its more cone breakup for the woofer.

oh its limited to 100hz

yeah that's unfortunately what you get for $100

[cobalt sparrow]

it also peaks to hell and back when bass hits at high-ish volumes

[lean grove]

if you have a better alternatives for a flat speaker at $100 im all ears

[cobalt sparrow]

i think if you just buy some dayton cheapo speakers and an amp it may be better but idk speakers (or anything audio really)

[lean grove]

which dayton cheapo speakers

[cobalt sparrow]

i think for 100$ you should have enough for the b652

[lean grove]

okay but those are passives

[cobalt sparrow]

but I never hit those volumes except for rare circumstances so it doesnt matter to me

[cobalt sparrow]

what im sayin is that it might be better for a lower price to also get one of those off fosi amps for like 30 bucks

i havent dug too deep yet tho

I wouldnt be suprised if I am dead wrong

[cobalt sparrow]

shit

[lean grove]

doesnt say what volume its playing at

[cobalt sparrow]

called it

[lean grove]

looks like hes playing a smidge under 100db

[cobalt sparrow]

so those suck?

[lean grove]

its hard to say

you cant compare results at 100db to results at 85db

the bass distortion looks like its rising in the mr4s

[cobalt sparrow]

they do have the ✨fancy✨ drivers tho

[lean grove]

the b652 bass looks fine.

[warm scarab]

nah lol

[lean grove]

but the b652 also looks like its not nearly as linear

[warm scarab]

the fosi shit is like

hilariously bad

[lean grove]

the cheap fosi shit

[cobalt sparrow]

how bad tho

[lean grove]

they have that new TI chip amp that performs really well

[warm scarab]

fosi has not cheap shit?

[cobalt sparrow]

yea it can be upwards of 100 for their better stuff

[lean grove]

the fosi audio v3

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fosi-audio-v3-amplifier-review.45757/

its not magic but for $100 its competitive

actually i cant think of any non-used $100 amps that perform better

[cobalt sparrow]

another question since you both are here now lol

do room acoustics matter that much for low to med volume in a small room

by low to medium I mean like 40-60dB on my phone

[warm scarab]

yes

[lean grove]

it depends

[warm scarab]

small room is acoustics hell generally

[cobalt sparrow]

im using mr4's and my dad's 500w sub

[warm scarab]

also 40db is like

low af

[lean grove]

if your pimary audio is at the treshold of hearing, then any amount of echos and noise is not gonna be audible

[warm scarab]

you can cop a measurement mic for cheap you can cope with lots of reflections with minimal effort

[lean grove]

the further your speakers are from you the more your room matters. which is why nearfield is so important to get consistent audio.

[warm scarab]

in my experience room eq has been the best upgrade with the highest price/performance ratio to any setup I have used it on

[cobalt sparrow]

according to my phones dB app thingy its like 25db floor, with nothing. Music brings it to 60db

[warm scarab]

I haven't used it on high end stuff or treated rooms but the flawed stuff just got miles ahead of what it was

[warm scarab]

not very trustworthy

idk just get an ecm8000 and an interface

[cobalt sparrow]

it measured a pantera concert at 95dB

[warm scarab]

or an umik 1 if you want super accurate measurements

[cobalt sparrow]

back row seats

[candid cosmos]

Lol i just found out, my poco f2 pro on Region Set to USA actually has a noticablely Bass boost compared to having it Set to Singapur. (on the 3.5mm Jack)

Guess my ear tuning isnt that horrible after all.

[warm scarab]

that's probably far lower than what it is

or you hit the mic's dynamic range

mic and the preamps

[cobalt sparrow]

no wonder my ears rang like hell for the next day

[warm scarab]

use protection lol

[cobalt sparrow]

oh and also my tinitus drowns the ambient noise out

[warm scarab]

it isn't bass boost but probably just a half decent dac/amp

which we warned you of before

I don't know of any items that have default bass boost in them

[cobalt sparrow]

i did, but the speakers were so damn distorted at the stadium you couldnt hear them at low volumes lol

[candid cosmos]

Which it cant be if the Sound literally changes with the phones Region.

[warm scarab]

wait you are saying you changed your poco's region and it got a bass shelf?

[cobalt sparrow]

i couldnt hear what was happening with protection (ER2SE w/ foam tips, and I used range headphones)

[candid cosmos]

Just as the actual output Power boosts a lot when going outside EU with the Region.

If i use Singapur its as expected. If USA its a Bass boost - tho not extreme.

Didnt change anything else.

[warm scarab]

I don't believe you

[candid cosmos]

But its weird...

[warm scarab]

you probably turned up the volume

[candid cosmos]

The Level thing is true on basically any phone cause EU Limits.

But the Bass thing - is just weird.

[warm scarab]

no

you just changed the volume

[candid cosmos]

It literally is.

[warm scarab]

phone regions changing frequency response is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in this channel yet

you just turned up the volume

[candid cosmos]

Anything inside EU and i crank to Max and its not loud.

Set to outside EU i can Break my kz f. E.

[candid cosmos]

This is the Part i literally dont get.

[warm scarab]

yeah that isn't what you said

you said bass is louder

[candid cosmos]

The pure Power thing tho is 100% a true thing.

[warm scarab]

it isn't, you just turned up the phone's volume

[warm scarab]

if by this you mean the eu volume regulations yeah

those exist

[candid cosmos]

This is point 1

Point 2 is the thing i simply dont get but i actually even read about in an article where i laught about ealier, sain setting it to USA compared to germany improves Bass Performance lmao

[warm scarab]

it just makes it louder

[candid cosmos]

Btw both output Level and Signature isnt 3.5 Jack only, its also on the internal speaker

[candid cosmos]

This is point 1, and reason you do it at all.

[warm scarab]

use it on an external dongle or dac and you will realize bass doesn't change

[candid cosmos]

But that like USA vs Singapur actually changes the Sound itself is just trash.

[warm scarab]

I think you are schizophrenic

[candid cosmos]

EU to non EU is louder ofc

[warm scarab]

unless you show me measurements there is no way on earth I will believe this

use a tone generator and a db meter

[candid cosmos]

Actually got back and forth and still cant believe it.

Simelar to how i kept thinking that the Zero reds were more bassy until i realized it was the Tips.

[warm scarab]

use 800hz as a reference point of volume comparison

and 40hz to compare the bass levels

[candid cosmos]

I dont care now tbh, i just found it interesting.

[cobalt sparrow]

@warm scarab what do I need for room treatment?

but like

as cheap as possible

but not a waste

ya know?

[candid cosmos]

Singapur Region also unlocked the holy virtual surround.

Theres surely one Single Person on earth using that.

[warm scarab]

diy

mineralwool, wood, cloth

saw nails hammer

[cosmic swallow]

any recommended way to modify audio channel balance if the windows settings for it doesnt affect anything?

[warm scarab]

make a thick wooden frame

mineral wool in

cover with cloth

nail/glue the cloth

hang on wall

or lean

lots of tutorials on the net

[candid cosmos]

They dont affect it?

What is playing Sound when its not working

[lean grove]

how does the windows settings not fix it?

[candid cosmos]

Might be a exclusive Mode thing...

[warm scarab]

i use eq apo for balance but native windows settings should work

[cosmic swallow]

it might be some funky stuff going on with the DAC.. not sure

i can no longer control any audio level settings on windows

[warm scarab]

do you use an exclusive mode

or asio

or wasapi

[lean grove]

thats probably it

is this for everything or just a music app

[cosmic swallow]

everything

[candid cosmos]

Thats why i asked

[cosmic swallow]

system wide

[candid cosmos]

This shouldnt happen tho

[cosmic swallow]

forgot how to check if its ASIOor WASAPI

[candid cosmos]

Try Windows own sounds

Like error Sounds etc

[cosmic swallow]

Yes, those work

[warm scarab]

show playback settings

[candid cosmos]

With Balance?

So its not System wide but bound to something

[cosmic swallow]

urg

i get audio, but i need to change audio balance by one or two

due to personal problems one ear is worse than another

[warm scarab]

so the balance options do work?

[candid cosmos]

Just drag it completely and test.

[cosmic swallow]

No

they do nothing

[candid cosmos]

Did you test with Windows sounds?

[warm scarab]

dementia

[cosmic swallow]

Yes

[candid cosmos]

They didnt gave a clear answer.

[cosmic swallow]

they are not affected by balance setting

[candid cosmos]

So now we are getting Fürther

Or not rather lol

[warm scarab]

did you try restarting

[candid cosmos]

So yea then its weird... What do you use for Sound? Like dac or whatever

[cosmic swallow]

IFI HipDac2, recent purchase. Will not return, so do not suggest that please

[candid cosmos]

Ugh in Windows you can normally Set the Option "disable Audio improvements" or something close

Make sure that Box is Set so the improvements are active.

Tho it shouldnt impact that...

[warm scarab]

good call

i forgot those existed

[candid cosmos]

Shoudnt affect Balance tho

Coz its like Level

[cosmic swallow]

This top one, yes?

[warm scarab]

though slider not affecting apps is also not related to that

[candid cosmos]

Ye

What are the options?

Dont use win11 coz ew

[cosmic swallow]

Off, or Default

[candid cosmos]

Hm

Then default

[warm scarab]

try them

[candid cosmos]

Or - try off

[cosmic swallow]

both don't affect it

[candid cosmos]

Ye

[cosmic swallow]

cba to install win10

[candid cosmos]

Did you actually try restart?

[cosmic swallow]

yeah

[candid cosmos]

Coz like its win11

[candid cosmos]

Meant i dont use it

[cosmic swallow]

i suspect its related to something from IFI

[candid cosmos]

Ye maybe, but it really weird..

Try to find out if they have some drivers or Software

Maybe its a driver issue or smth...

[cosmic swallow]

yeah they do, i have it installed

[candid cosmos]

Hm

Do you have options there? xd

[cosmic swallow]

This is their window for this, none of the tabs contain anything that would modify this

the only thing of note really is that ASIO is not active

[candid cosmos]

Boring

[warm scarab]

show me the fomat

buffer tab

[warm scarab]

asio

[cosmic swallow]

|not active

[warm scarab]

oh

show format

[cosmic swallow]

just one selection lol

[warm scarab]

meh

[candid cosmos]

384/32

Btw found out another thing. The reds dont like being very silent

Like very very silent, coz im in bed (30-40db maybe)

I guess they really wont work for me as mobile dailys.

[cosmic swallow]

any third party programs i could perhaps other than windows settings, or is it just return everything point?

[candid cosmos]

Equalizer Apo f. E.

Very Overkill solution for just Balance, but this basically works always.

[cosmic swallow]

i have equalizer APO, but i am not sure how to balance it using it

[warm scarab]

select device

select channel

[candid cosmos]

Tho maybe you have to Experiment with the ways it operates in your machine

[warm scarab]

add a preamp

set it to a - value

[candid cosmos]

Configurator and then install it on that device.

Then try it, if it doesnt work try another Mode for it, also in the configurator

Like theres 2 Experimental settings f. E.

[cosmic swallow]

where is the pre-ampp in the menu? that is what im missing

[candid cosmos]

Try all Stock first tho.

[warm scarab]

click the +

[cosmic swallow]

found it

[warm scarab]

add the device selector

[cosmic swallow]

basic filters

[warm scarab]

then add the channel selector

then add the preamp at the bottom

[candid cosmos]

Is it installed on your dac out tho?

[warm scarab]

are you sure there isn't a switch on the hipdac that sets to an exclusive mode or something

[candid cosmos]

Btw if it was it might also be the reason Windows didnt work.

Coz like the Experimental modes you sometimes need can do weird Experimental things.

[warm scarab]

shouldn't at all be related

[candid cosmos]

How can a dac be exclusive Mode - applications define that

[cosmic swallow]

not afaik, there was one switch called power match, it appears to not affect this

[warm scarab]

yeah power match is for iems

[candid cosmos]

Should not, but could.

[warm scarab]

why is it 5.1

[cosmic swallow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[candid cosmos]

7.1

[warm scarab]

also don't set left to +1

set right to -1

you will clip your dac

[cosmic swallow]

that option was set on there by default and wasn't my doing

[warm scarab]

okay well just set the louder channel to negative

never boost

[cosmic swallow]

yeah of course

interesting

skipping device setting on equalizer apo seems to make it work

[alpine musk]

What are those?

[silent haven]

Audiophile elitism

[candid cosmos]

Livington Handy Heater

[warm scarab]

lmao

[white gate]

Raal SR1-B

[candid cosmos]

Oops, the Zero reds can Clip on me.

Gonna find out if its actually my phone thats on the Limit? Interesting tho.

Cause like its not that loud, and im sure i driven more Power on my desk amp before.

[broken tusk]

any good budget headphones/ headsets

[candid cosmos]

Define Budget and surely someone can help

[broken tusk]

uh

100-150singapore dollar

[drowsy blade]

DT770 pros are good for the price

Or Superlux 668Bs are amazing for the price, still don’t sound as good as the 770s though

[lean grove]

🧐

[candid cosmos]

Dt770 and stuff only if you get them cheap. I really really disliked the Sound of the dt990 f. E.

And i paid like 90 Euros for them.

But to be fair, compared to anything gaming or something, they are another universe. But, the Sound still isnt really all that great.

Like i was much much much happier with the cheap ass zs10 pro x.

For pure gaming i like the Zero reds even more f. E., first is a 35 Euro pair, later is a 50 Euro pair.

But, These are iems, and not overears... Really dont have a fast good idea for over ears tbh. (which isnt hd600 and much more expensive)

[warm scarab]

🧐

[silver iris]

My 8 year old vizio soundbar randomly stopped working, I'm pretty sure it's completely busted (wont factory reset or anything) so I'm looking for a replacement, specifically with ARC compatibility, and in the budget of ~$70. Nothing too fancy. I found the Vizio M21D-H8 on ebay for that much, but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions?

[candid cosmos]

btw, spinfits are comfy asf holy...

never thaught id land on 10 euro iem tips...

[broken tusk]

thx

[dusky linden]

don't get those

get akg k361 if you can instead

[broken tusk]

guh

ok

[dusky linden]

👍

770's are not what you should be getting

[broken tusk]

hows this

[dusky linden]

sure

that also works

[broken tusk]

thx

[dusky linden]

didn't know you were looking at used so didn't mention it

[copper ermine]

Anyone know of some speakers I can hang on the wall like a panel that can be added to google home

[warm scarab]

miles ahead of superlux and dt770

superlux's ability is having a headphone chasis and dt770's ability is being relevant 15 years ago

[lean grove]

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/symfonisk-picture-frame-with-wi-fi-speaker-black-smart-40487320/

[sinful inlet]

can someone recommend a headset under like 75?

[sinful inlet]

woah these r cool

[lean grove]

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-Double-Sided-Communication-Hands-Free-Collapsible/dp/B095TS1G9H

yeah the ikea speakers are meant to be sneaky. but they aren't amazing.

if you need to hide a speaker without doing installing it directly into your wall and ceiling, they're really good

[frosty ocean]

"2,822.4 kHz (2.8224 MHz)"

I love wikipedia sometimes

[normal cove]

Hi guys what are some good wireless headphones under 300?

Some people said get the ux3000

[lean grove]

take a look at the audeze maxwell

i havent heard much about the ux3000. it looks fine.

looks like it would be pretty bass heavy

[normal cove]

Apologies. It was a typo

I meant 200 and below

[normal cove]

But I'm still curious to how these compare to the ux3000

UX3000s are 120 in the uk and the maxwells are 310

So a pretty massive difference

[lean grove]

well if your limit is 200 then yeah maxwells arent gonna work

maxwells follow the harman headphone target really well. so they're tuned almost perfectly if you like harman, which i bet you will

[normal cove]

Yeah

[lean grove]

jbl tune 710 follow harman pretty well too and are much cheaper than the ux3000

[normal cove]

£45??

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/jbl-tune-710bt-headset-white-bluetooth-50-on-ear-foldable-built-in-mic-rechargeable-battery-usb-c-35?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=feed_clicks&utm_content=surfaces_across_google&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvL-oBhCxARIsAHkOiu38H4mgidHKisjZQdwbI5i-bmTXi4z0Oo_GvTPy5ITeGCJoXVFpsWgaAlqtEALw_wcB

That is extremely cheap

I mean i really liked the momentum 4s last time i heard it

But everyone says they are terrible for price

[lean grove]

if the ux3000 are bass heavy then momentums are bass cannons

and i dont mean that in a good way

[normal cove]

Ah

I mean what i really want

Is some sort of bass and good sound separation

I tried xm5s and i couldnt differentiate instruments at all

[lean grove]

yeah xm5's have a huge bass shelf that extends a bit too high

adds bass to everything

[normal cove]

So would you say the 750bt and ux3000 are similar

But 750bt is better price?

[lean grove]

750?

[normal cove]

710*

Sorry

[dusky linden]

750 is noise cancellation version
apparently it's sonically worse than 710

[normal cove]

Oh sorry i forgot to mention. I'm planning to use this in school so i think i might need anc

It gets really noisy during in between lessons

[lean grove]

Just going off of graphs I would recommend the 710 over the ux300.
Ux3000 is gonna have more bass, leaning warmer.

I think it'll come down to do you want the warmer sound dog and is the ux3000 built twice as well

[normal cove]

I did hear the 710bt has bad build quality

Is there nothing similar to 710bt perhaps with better build?

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[normal cove]

Oh.

Does the 710bt come with anc?

[dusky linden]

no

get ux3000 if you want anc

[normal cove]

And there is no better option unless i drop like 300 on headphones right?

[dusky linden]

yep

unless you can settle for tws like galaxy buds (not live) or airpod pros, but those are different products

[warm scarab]

for wireless top you can get is maxwell

those are shit for gaming

[normal cove]

I dont need it for gaming

[warm scarab]

oh

[normal cove]

Studying in school for the most part

[warm scarab]

then just get n700nc m2

[normal cove]

Discontinued

[warm scarab]

rip

[normal cove]

Also heard the cuff is too small

[warm scarab]

for someone maybe

doesn't mean it is for you

[normal cove]

People seem to prefer the ux3000 over it

[warm scarab]

are these people in the room with us right now

[normal cove]

Nope 😭

What i might do is order both the ux3000 and jbl 710bt and compare them side to side

And return whicher i dont like

How does the 720bt differ from 710bt?

[warm scarab]

I don't know

given jbl headphones seem to get worse the more they cost, probably not good

[normal cove]

Thats funny 🤣

I heard the tour one m2 was a flop

It was hyped up few months ago

[bitter otter]

hewwo

maybe some of you have a sugestion about a new headset for a basshead ? i am currently using a FiiO K3 with a Sennheiser HD599 and bass is still not... punchy enought i am looking for something ideally open back , already using the amp bass boost.

looking for something that is punchy but clean, cause i got a custom one pro plus but it's... kinda dirty when pushing :/

[unborn gale]

HA-SZ2000 to kill your ears

actually nvm looks like you can't really buy it

[bitter otter]

was looking and yeah..

[unborn gale]

LCD-X has really good bass but it's extremely heavy and probably too expensive

[bitter otter]

ideally want opens back too cause.. something i tend to play too and closed back feel narrow

yeah ideal to keep under 400€

should have started with that

[unique wind]

your best option is probably a Hifiman Edition XS or Hifiman Ananda Stealth (refurb or open box) from the hifiman store

and then put on a bass shelf in eq

[silent haven]

sundara is decent too but XS is better

not as comfortable headband though

[bitter otter]

thankie imma look into that

not sure if we have hifiman store in france tho , but amazon maybe

[drowsy blade]

I mean skullcandy is the go-to, but if you’re looking for something… Yknow… good…. Then the Sony XB-1000s are a great option, expensive though

[lean grove]

@dusky linden

[dusky linden]

hi

[dusky linden]

used e-mu teak/fostex th-x00

they're both not open backs but they barely isolate so not proper closed backs either

that would be basshead pick for that budget I suppose

[stray rapids]

@haughty girder do you have any recommendation for microphones like the samsun go? it's kinda perfect for what i need but it's kinda ugly imo

i was considering the rode ntusb but like, it's like 2x the price

[dusky linden]

samson q2u

[stray rapids]

thanks

[dusky linden]

it's not that similar to the samson go but considering you were looking at an nt usb it should be fine

[stray rapids]

yeah do you think i'd need a boom arm for it?

cause the main reason is, i really would rather not buy a boom arm if i don't have to

[dusky linden]

ideally yes
or some sort of aftermarket stand

[stray rapids]

my friends can hear my type racer that's fine lol

[stray rapids]

ah hmm

[dusky linden]

if you were to get an nt usb (what you were looking at before) the same thing I just said would apply

[stray rapids]

i mean i guess i could just buy the microphone then buy the boom arm later if i find that i'm not satisfied without it

it just seem like it'd get in the way of my view of my screens and stuff and just kinda take up room

oh its usb OR xlr?

that's kinda sick actually

then i could wait to buy an audio interface as well

[dusky linden]

sure

[dusky linden]

depends on your setup and how much space you have

[dusky linden]

if you're buying an interface you'd probably want to have plans for a new mic too imo

otherwise don't buy one just for that

[stray rapids]

well i do a bit of drawing so it'd kinda either block my view of my main monitor or get in the way while i draw if i'm trying to chill in vc with friends while drawing soooo

[dusky linden]

normally people would just move whatever arm they have so it's not in their way

when not in use

or position it so it's not blocking monitors

like I said, depends on how much space you have for that

[stray rapids]

mhm

are low profile microphone arms any good??

https://www.amazon.ca/HumanCentric-Adjustable-Microphone-Podcasts-Streaming/dp/B0C5S83FTS/ref=asc_df_B0C5S83FTS/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=579110149630&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1339448693154328217&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001534&hvtargid=pla-2201795357171&psc=1

something like this

[bitter otter]

@dusky linden thankie i will look into it

[dusky linden]

cool

[dusky linden]

sure but don't overspend on an arm if you don't have to

especially when it will cost as much as or more than the mic itself

that's my take on it

[stray rapids]

ahhhh but i want something good and will last, and i can reuse the next time i upgrade

[dusky linden]

will you really need an upgrade though

[stray rapids]

no

but i do want something that lasts

[dusky linden]

samson q2u will last

[stray rapids]

i mean boom arm wise

a lot of the cheap ones seem to fall apart after some time, based on amazon reviews

[dusky linden]

a cheap arm should last too if you treat it properly and if it doesn't completely suck

like $15-30 one should be ok

[stray rapids]

i'll look into it

[dusky linden]

I'm not sure what avail would be like for low pro ones though so keep that in mind

[stray rapids]

no worries

thank you for your help thus far

[elder coyote]

when people do like studio monitor setups or like uh like listening room / living room setups, where its just 2 channels or 2:1 (ie. not surround sound)

is it more common to use active speakers over passive or the opposite way?

Like for a little listening setup, is it more common to have a large amp and big speakers or just have active speakers?

And which one is usually cheaper? (for same quality)

[rapid zenith]

my arctis 7 plus broke and I cant find anywhere else selling it what else is a good headset

[lean grove]

It depends. Powered speakers can be better value in theory because they can be very effective at cheaping out for budget speakers. They can use cheap drivers and use DSP or EQ to fix their problems.

But also very expensive powered speakers can be damn near perfect. Genelec and Neumann have speakers which are nearly flawless.

But the downside is that you're stuck with whatever amplifiers they give you. They have to use smaller amplifiers to be able to fit into the speaker chassis.

[elder coyote]

hmmm, if i wanted like a listening setup in my room or something near my desk, like two speakers and maybe sub

preferably like cheap as can be without being a waste of money haha ykyk?

[lean grove]

Then you want powered speakers.

If you want a decent passive 2.1 system that's gonna be at least $600

[elder coyote]

💀 hmmm

[lean grove]

Take a look at the Klipsch promedia 2.1 or the edifier 350db. If you can afford the edifiers, definitely get those. Otherwise the promedia is fine.

[elder coyote]

there is a (major/minor) difference between like amps/speakers in passive systems meant for like strictly audio vs generic home theatre setups right?

like I feel theatre whatever receivers and speakers are usually much cheaper compared to a dedicated "audio" amp and speakers?

[lean grove]

Well the difference is that when you buy something as a standalone product they tend to be better.

It's like building your own computer vs buying a gaming laptop

When you're trying to cram everything into one box you're more limited on space and you can run into problems like heat and components affecting each other in weird ways

[fast charm]

What is a decent bluetooth adapter for iems and how affordable could they be?

[lean grove]

Qudelix 5k is $110. Fiio has some cheaper stuff but the qudelix is worth the extra cash.

[lean grove]

Also someone in the market for a convenient speaker system probably doesn't care as much about getting the highest possible quality. They just want something to play music.

[dusky linden]

audeze maxwell

[crude gust]

Trying to find a pair of pretty cheap but not Chinese crap cheap headphones with a 6.3mm plug by default. The only ones I've found are the HD 560S by Sennheiser but those are quite expensive and not really wanting to spend that much.

I don't want any adapters etc as I always loose them

[lean grove]

if you dont want cheap chinese crap then you need to buy quite expensive german headphones that are still built in china.

also the 560s cable comes with a 6.3mm plug that is an adapter for a 3.5mm

[crude gust]

What I mean by cheap Chinese crap is that it isn't like the Tommy Hilfiger headphones from the one LTT video

[lean grove]

oh. then in that case you need to buy quite expensive german headphones that are still built in china.

something like the akg k361 has a cable which has a 6.3mm adapter built into the cable, just like the hd560s

[crude gust]

Whichever is cheaper ig

[lean grove]

there's also koss

which dont come with a 6.3mm cable

and they're much cheaper but they're kinda flimsy and ugly

but they sound good for the money

[crude gust]

I daily drive Soundcore Life P3 so that's proof I really don't care if it's "HiFi grade" audio

I'm way too cheap

[lean grove]

well im not gonna tell you to buy anything that i wouldn't buy myself.

[crude gust]

I only care about the plug lmao

[lean grove]

okay then buy whatever you want with a 6.3mm adapter

if you're worried about losing it, then you could glue it on i guess

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude gust]

Ehhhhhhh, I guess I'll either think about the HD 560S or try to find something cheaper from the brand you mentioned

[candid cosmos]

Heatshrink :p

Would even Look good

[crude gust]

https://www.thomann.de/gb/fostex_t20rp_mk3_headphone_b_stock.htm

Found these

154€

A bit cheaper, but it's B-stock

Are the 560S good?

[lean grove]

Yes.

The t20s are dog water.

Thin pads, sound bad

[candid cosmos]

May have slipped and ordered iems

Got a pretty good used Deal cause someone is leaving the whole Hobby

[warm scarab]

which iems

[candid cosmos]

Its funnier this way - they are from moondrop tho.

[warm scarab]

yeah which

[candid cosmos]

Yea imma wait

You can guess

Not Variations -

[normal cove]

Hey is it possible for there to be a jbl 710bt rep? Someone is selling it for 20 on ebay

Just trying to make sure 😅

[ivory tangle]

are these good

[unique wind]

the 560s are good

dont buy the scarlett solo its not good ESPECIALLY if you wanna use it to power your headphones (i own it)

i dont know anything about the presonus pd70

[ivory tangle]

i changed them

[warm scarab]

which currency is this

[ivory tangle]

aud

[warm scarab]

how much is 150 aud

[ivory tangle]

96$

us

[steel escarp]

https://www.amazon.com/GOWE-miniwatt-12AX7-desktop-amplifier/dp/B01ECC8LXO

should I get this

and hook dt880 up to it

[lean grove]

No

[steel escarp]

why

[lean grove]

If you want it, it's probably bad

[steel escarp]

some guy in sonic getaway that was building tube amps recommended this

kind of makes sense to hook speaker tube amps up to planars

[lean grove]

I don't know anyone who has a worse sixth sense about buying audio products than you

So I would avoid.

Maybe try and find a used bottle head single ended experimenter?

[steel escarp]

my 250 ohm dt880 wont pair well with the bottle head

it should be 300 ohms

minimum

its not optimal because of the impedance range the tube is made for

[lean grove]

The experimenter is literally meant to drive high sensitivity speakers

It's not OTL

[steel escarp]

OTC is fine

[warm scarab]

please stop wasting money on that piece of shit headphone

why are you this way

[steel escarp]

bro on the feliks audio echo 2 it was better than he1000v2 stealth on good solid state

[unique wind]

youre insane grey

just use what you have right now

[steel escarp]

bro the tubes

they made the vocals so good

it was nutty

[unique wind]

stop

[steel escarp]

have you ever heard tube amplifiers

like my dt880 sounded like a hd800

but more relaxed highs

[unique wind]

not true tube amps no, only well-measuring hybrid ones

[buoyant vale]

You're insane Michael, just spend all your money on increasingly esoteric audio products

[warm scarab]

it sort of defeats the point if a tube amp measures like a solid state

[unique wind]

not if you buy it for the aesthetic

[lean grove]

That's the thing. Michael doesn't spend any money on audio products.

[steel escarp]

I am thinking that cheap speaker amps are good value if you connect headphones to them compared to headphone amps

and with that logic why not get a speaker tube amp

OTC

[warm scarab]

because speaker tube amps are expensive

[steel escarp]

that can handle speaker impedances

[unique wind]

grey you need to stop buying source gear

[steel escarp]

.

[unique wind]

just use your frickin headphones

[steel escarp]

not that expensive

[peak spindle]

would an iFi Uno be good for a HD599?
right now they dont sound amazing. i'd like better clarity and wider soundstage. i think the dac on my motherboard is not good. its an alc897, or 892 i think

[steel escarp]

these can be had for way less

[warm scarab]

grey you don't need to stop buying source gear, you need to stop buying gear for the dt880

[steel escarp]

broooo

[unique wind]

he does need to stop buying source gear

[steel escarp]

they are so good

[unique wind]

he already has like a 700euro amp or whatever

[steel escarp]

I balanced modded them

my amp is 1200 euros

violectric HPA v222

[unique wind]

yes so stop buying amps

[steel escarp]

tube amp is different

[warm scarab]

tube amps are different

[unique wind]

klaus do not support his bad financial habits

[warm scarab]

but since grey wants to buy it I have incredibly low hopes of it being good

[steel escarp]

I tried to digitally recreate the tube effect but had no luck

[unique wind]

he spends booko bucks on he1000 and then starts dreaming about buying amps for his dt880

[steel escarp]

the frost guy in sonic getaway was recommending it

[warm scarab]

I don't disagree with buying tube amps he wants to buy them for fucking dt880s

[steel escarp]

frost or froz

idk

I am banned there

again

[warm scarab]

froz bought an hk770 for 400-500$