audio-tech

[warm scarab]

true

[unique wind]

like 8.5db

[warm scarab]

that's an arbitrary number but sure

[unique wind]

i mean i said like

i know i like iems with around a 15db bass shelf

wouldnt that equate to 10db on over ears

[steel escarp]

Crinacle hates the harman target tho

[warm scarab]

crinacle is weird at reviewing things not iems

for some reason

[unique wind]

didnt crinacle go on a rant about headphones suck in sg a long time ago

[warm scarab]

dont remember

[unique wind]

i thought i remember reading that when i went through his message history

could be wrong tho

[warm scarab]

but he left after we called out phil for selling refurbished ath cans with 50$ ali oems

that i remember

[unique wind]

im gonna play around with the sub-50hz filter that flattens bass extension and see if im content with the volume

[steel escarp]

Just get speakers

[unique wind]

eh

i intend to eventually

just spent like $1100 on a tv tho and still saving for a truck i wanna buy in like january or february

if im gonna get nice speakers im gonna get actually nice monitors

[steel escarp]

Neumanns

[warm scarab]

get a measurement mic

its vital

[warm scarab]

lmao

[steel escarp]

I wouldn't get anything else

Neumann KH120

[warm scarab]

dude is preaching the sharur speaker

[steel escarp]

RSL Speedwoofer 10S

[warm scarab]

may as well get the sharur sub

and eq it by 24dB

[unique wind]

its a good speaker

i dont like his sub tho

[warm scarab]

it is

his sub is a joke

[unique wind]

id rather get two starke sw15s for $1000 together

[warm scarab]

he has a 24dB peak filter on it

[steel escarp]

Idk which sub he has

[warm scarab]

to unfuck the terrible resonance he has

[unique wind]

sealed 15" and plays down to like 14hz at 87db without room gain or something

around that cant remember exactly

having two of those with room gain and eq would be nuts

[steel escarp]

My speaker experience was really bad with my adams

[warm scarab]

sharur sub eq

[steel escarp]

How do you even place it that poorly

Under a desk perhaps?

[lean grove]

Klaus still recovering from learning pretty much every high end subwoofer uses DSP

[warm scarab]

24dB peaking midbass filters I believe is not something every high end subwoofer uses

[half fog]

I dont really like boosted bass above 80-100hz

[lean grove]

No but they should

[half fog]

anything below 100 seems to not bleed into the rest much

[steel escarp]

Everyone tells you to move the sub till it's flat. Swears by it not having directionality. But then you move it to the left to make it flat but afterward you clearly hear bass coming from the left.

[warm scarab]

you should shut your mouth

[steel escarp]

I sold my speakers because I couldn't be bothered looking for another location for my subwoofer

[lean grove]

Make me

[warm scarab]

alright

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/scarlett-bordeaux-scarlett-wwe-scarlett-bordeaux-wwe-scarlett-nxt-scarlett-bordeaux-nxt-gif-21376061

[warm scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/928003843067887678.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[steel escarp]

Okay *unzips pants*

[lean grove]

Remind me to never to nsfw roleplay with grey

[half fog]

what discord servers is sharur in

[steel escarp]

Apple House Sound

[lean grove]

Banned from anywhere sensible I'm sure

[steel escarp]

Micheal saw a new side of me in sonic getaway...

The poor guy

[lean grove]

And even banned from some insensible places

Like sg

[steel escarp]

I think he is unbanned

[warm scarab]

I can confirm this he is in sg

[warm scarab]

we unbanned him

[half fog]

what is sg

[warm scarab]

sonic getaway

its an uh

unique server

[steel escarp]

Don't try to describe it

You can't without triggering the filter

[silent haven]

probably more of an echo chamber than this server

[warm scarab]

its like

an audiophile shitpost chamber

except for like five people maybe

[steel escarp]

Good times

[lean grove]

Well we only have 4-5 active members so there's no real echo

[warm scarab]

you'd probably have an easier time fitting in by spamming slurs in general than trying to actually speak about audio

don't ask for sources on this one

[lean grove]

If someone says anything of value or worth in LTT it either gets sent into the void or falls upon deaf ears.

[half fog]

is it "sounding gateway" public server

[warm scarab]

not public on discord

but you can find it on the web

by googling it

[half fog]

lol

[warm scarab]

its the ultimate cesspool

we also have sharurs nudes pinned in general if that is of interest

[silent haven]

link thes erver

[lean grove]

Not allowed

Bot deletes discord invites

And sends you a rude message

[silent haven]

dm it then

[lean grove]

No

[unique wind]

100%

this channel isnt even bad

it's just klaus, grey, nils, and i bantering mostly

SG is just an echo chamber where everyone parrots the same shit over and over

and adamantly refuses to look at any measurements for anything

[thin birch]

Do any of you have a good recommend for a DAC with SPDIF in, and ideally RCA or 1/4" out? I have been trying to escape the horrible buzz my audio system produces in association with whatever my video card is doing. I have been using the mini-plug out from the motherboard, and bought one of those Apple dongle-DACs to try to fix it, but it just made it a little better. I'm not a hi-fi snob, just want something that's not going to crap out. Currently running sound thru a Crown XLS1002 and a BBE 382i "sonic maximizer" (just an overgrown loudness button)

[thin birch]

or a good online store to shop for one?

[tepid torrent]

All the bullshit wayne has been spouting

[candid cosmos]

If you gonna use a usb dac, something like this should help there.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EzLN5lN

Basically the core of it is that the gnd is simply not connected - or maybe connected to minus of the isolated 5v/5v converter. And the 5v rails completely seperated.

The rest is - not needed tbh.

Basically what you want is no ground loop. PC is grounded, some speakers also. So if both is grounded, the Audio connection wherever it might be should not carry ground, only issue is, rca f. E. Does. So most other options.

[thin birch]

This is why I'm trying to convert to SPDIF, this should completely isolate the grounds since the signal is optical

I've tried tracking down a ground loop, including literally running a fat wire from one chassis to the other, but it didn't eliminate the noise.

I fully accept that I might not know what I'm doing, just tired of the buzz.

[cosmic wraith]

Ok for karaoke?

[wary shadow]

What is the latest and greatest in-ear headphones these days? Want them for the gym

[candid cosmos]

Maaaany options for basically every Budget.

Unless you want wireless, then id be out lol

[wary shadow]

Yeah ideally wireless

[nova wagon]

Buds 2 pro and airpods pro 2 basically

[unique wind]

^^^

airpods pro 2

[weak rapids]

Oh boy corsair releasing an open back gaming headphone

[candid cosmos]

lemme leak the freq response

[unique wind]

looks about right

[candid cosmos]

the loop between 700 and 800hz is a wormhole caused by corsairs slipstream tech btw

[errant wharf]

Got my tygr 300rs yesterday, they sound nice

[steel escarp]

hearing damage moment

[unique wind]

silence hifiman shill

it is you who has hearing damage and enjoys boosted mid-upper treble

[steel escarp]

he1000v2 stealth does not have boosted ear gain

this has boosted treble

[unique wind]

ear gain isnt mid-upper treble

[unique wind]

it does yeah

but so do the headphones that you like is my point

[steel escarp]

who says mid-upper treble, say upper mid treble instead

jesus

[unique wind]

mid treble to upper treble

not upper midrange

[steel escarp]

just name a frequency range

tbh

[unique wind]

i just did

[steel escarp]

with numbers

[unique wind]

but yeah i agree id rather just use the numbers

since i can correlate those to how they sound in my head

[steel escarp]

everyone interprets what which area is called differently

but I do not enjoy boosted hifiman treble, in fact I EQ it down

hifi is dangerous. I put my cans on and my brain stops having any thoughts. the music takes over as my mind floats through the symphony of sounds

its literally like being on drugs

I wonder if it hurts your dopamine receptors

[molten lotus]

I need help finding good wireless headphones preferably bluetooth 5.0 or more(which do support aux) with good sound quality which i can also use for gaming sometimes (not intensive)

Currency inr

[unique wind]

audeze maxwell

[molten lotus]

Cheaper pls

I go broke

[nova wagon]

cloud ii wireless

[molten lotus]

I just said bluetooth w aux

[steel escarp]

you do not want bluetooth for gaming

the delay is pretty noticable

something that comes with a usb dongle would be better

[molten lotus]

I need something i can use with my hand held devices/consoles/pc

That is why I suggested bluetooth w aux

Anyways what do u suggest

I'd say budget upto 15k inr

[steel escarp]

that is around 170 euros

[molten lotus]

Is that bad

[steel escarp]

for all the functionality you want its hard

[molten lotus]

i agree

That is why I came looking for help

[steel escarp]

does it need to have a mic as well?

[lean grove]

JBL tune 710

[molten lotus]

Let me check

[molten lotus]

Not necessarily but it would be nice i guess

@lean grove are these it

[lean grove]

Yes

[steel escarp]

bluetooth has limited bandth width, the sound quality will be severely degradated if you use a mic over bluetooth if you also listen to music

[molten lotus]

@lean grove alright thanks for the suggestio, I'll be here for a while to get more options to choose from

[lean grove]

🫴

[steel escarp]

Make a decision between good sound and all these other features at your price

[unique wind]

or pony up the money for maxwell and get good tuning and features

[molten lotus]

Alright, i prefer sound quality over mic

[steel escarp]

Is wireless that important?

Can't you like plug a headphone into your controller

[molten lotus]

Alright cut wireless out

Wired headphones

Sound quality

Over mic

[steel escarp]

Sennheiser hd560 in that case. But idk if a controller can power it.

Let me check

[molten lotus]

audeze Maxwell is not available in my country

[unique wind]

is sennheiser pc38x available for you?

[molten lotus]

Leme check

[weak rapids]

Damn

[steel escarp]

India

How is it not available there

[molten lotus]

Idk

India is ass ngl

[steel escarp]

Anyways audeze maxwell is 2.3x your budget

[molten lotus]

yeah so is this

[unique wind]

how does india not have things man

youre like

[molten lotus]

It does

[unique wind]

right there in asia

and have hella people

[steel escarp]

I know a guy in India who literally has access to all the headphones

[molten lotus]

a guy

[steel escarp]

Idk which part you are in but sounds strange

[molten lotus]

Delhi (capital of india)

2nd wealthiest state ig

L

Well anyways

I appreciate your willingness to help me find headphones that meet my needs and requirements. Thank you for your assistance!

[warm scarab]

with no buying power

[warm scarab]

its because fenz is rich

he probably imports everything

[inland bobcat]

Having hard time finding a microphone preamp that uses 1/4 aux

Should I just use chinesium adapter caple to convert to xlr

[lean grove]

1/4aux as an input? Most have them.

[inland bobcat]

I was looking for more of a inline thing

They don't really seam to exist

I have some of those dynamite sticks was just thinking I'd get an adapter cable

[lean grove]

Ah. No idea then.

[inland bobcat]

It's for a literal tin can so it can be janky

Idc

[steel escarp]

Get koss kph40

Tbh

[inland bobcat]

I have an xlr to aux adapter otw so gonna see if it works out

[molten lotus]

I'm not Microsoft tech support

[steel escarp]

They are good

[molten lotus]

Alright, (I was referring to the scammers)

[steel escarp]

Throw some big pads on them

Tbh if it's anything like a grado then idk if they are really good

[haughty girder]

uh

imo ksc75 better

but both are infinitely better than Grados

especially if you get yaxi pads for the kph

Grados just sound like hearing damage

[steel escarp]

I tried the flagship grado

it sounded like a mac donalds toy

[cosmic wraith]

?

[haughty girder]

for karaoke your mic quality generally doesn't matter

see if anyone has commented about its signal stability

I'd say it's probably alright

[cold token]

would u guys get a ifi zen cam + ifi zen dac or a single topping ex5 dac amp combo?

both of them cost relatively the same

[warm scarab]

prior

[cold token]

so the first option\

[warm scarab]

yes

[cold token]

slt

[warm scarab]

also get the air version of the zendac if you are planning on that

and the full version of the can

[cold token]

is there a major difference between the zen dac air and the zen dac v2?

[warm scarab]

same thing

but one has a balanced out, which you wont be using

[cold token]

just to make sure

https://ifi-audio.com/products/zen-can/

this is the full version of the can right?

[warm scarab]

yes

[north thicket]

Why doesn’t my headphones work in my cases 3.5 slot

[inland bobcat]

stand

[silent haven]

Does it go to your treehouse

[steel escarp]

I am selling a zen dac v2 and zen can combo for 300 euros

Hit me up if you are interested

I can sell them separately too for 150 each

I upgraded my gear so I don't need them anymore

[errant wharf]

it sounds like what we all wanted 2 cups on a string to sound like as kids

i am discovering so many sounds

[haughty girder]

https://youtu.be/jx9LezLlD8s?si=jD25HrV5btIND7gy

[cosmic wraith]

Ok tanks

[cosmic wraith]

and how should the antenna be placed?

[candid cosmos]

Imma try a fun thing.

I have the zs10 pro x as a current Main, cause i simply love the Sound Signature, its fun but still normal sorta speak...

So i got the truthhear zero:red, cause they are reccomended by basically everyone for a simelar usecase.

Imma guess that i will still prefer the zs10 pro x simply because i tried a lot of other solutions and always got back. I also love my mackie cr5-x, which subjektively give me a simelar Sound minus the Part that i can crank up the iems a lot more without loosing anything and speakers being speakers obv.

Im curious of how the Zero:Reds are...

The interesting Part of that All is, how absolutely crappy the Stock kz eartips are, the ones that were on them make the Sound absolutely terrible somehow loosing basically all mids where i cannot even get how thats Physically possible... The ones in the box of the kzs are better, and the kbear 07 i got cause reddit were another big step...

So im very exited to test them.

[buoyant vale]

[candid cosmos]

I will see in aprox 6hrs

[buoyant vale]

KZ can't tune an IEM for shit

[candid cosmos]

Wouldnt say that.

Crinacle said the same, but for All the iems that actually are simelar

[buoyant vale]

[candid cosmos]

Also got the zsn pro x, which i basically hate.

[candid cosmos]

Had them too, slight but noticablely worse than the x

And as for Bass and the vshape Ness, like said the Tips made a actual night and day difference

Which i still dont get at all

[buoyant vale]

KZ just add letters on the end and release the same shit again

[candid cosmos]

But i dont really care, at least im happy.

Not really tbh.

[buoyant vale]

yes really

[candid cosmos]

Either way, im testing the Zero reds later lol

[candid cosmos]

Okay then -

Can only say what i felt like.

And that crinacle afaik checks Stock eartips

[candid cosmos]

Where again, i understand why many hate them and lol

[candid cosmos]

Thats zsn again

[buoyant vale]

they added an X butt didn't change anything apart from the price

[candid cosmos]

Slightly different lol

And price is basically the same.

Same with zs10 pro and pro x

[buoyant vale]

so is the left and tthe right channel on one

they're all dogshit

[candid cosmos]

Okay then, what would you reccomend?

Other than the Zero reds im gonna try anyways

[buoyant vale]

You got Red coming

they are tuned decently

[candid cosmos]

Will see

I still think that i will still use my zs10 pro x lmao

At least, sometimes. Will see

[buoyant vale]

I mean the hearing damage has probably set in already

[candid cosmos]

Tf

The zsn pro x were weird there, at least with the Stock Tips i used there, i get that. But bro.

Sad tho that crinacle didnt test the reds yet.

Nvm He did.

Gonna get interesting, just that i have no pro x measurement, and i know that i liked the x better, tho again slightly.

And as for hearing damage, compare to diokos.

Iems for 3x the price lol

[buoyant vale]

They look shit too, at least they're not as bloated as the KZ

[candid cosmos]

Idk the Zero reds Look not too off.

Also diokos are considered good xd

[candid cosmos]

In terms of Bass boost lol, Sub Bass at least.

The best thing is, i was close to buy the diokos...

Now i wont xD

[nova wagon]

Zero red looks fine tbh

This is on a different rig than the usual 711

[warm scarab]

red is alright

everything else isn't

[north warren]

Thoughts on an xonar Phoebus or Evga nu audio today, pushing headphones or a soundbar mostly

[unique wind]

zero red made every other cheap iem obsolete

literally all that matters with iems is frequency response and distortion and they excel at both

[candid cosmos]

Still find both pretty great even when only looking at freq response. Especially considering they are considerably cheaper

[haughty girder]

generally, host antenna should point towards general area of client. But it will be fine regardless of orientationin this case

[mellow heron]

best headphones around 20 usd?

[unique wind]

Tangzu Wan’er

you won’t be able to get over-ear headphones for $20 that aren’t poopoo, but if you don’t want in ears then you could also look at the Koss KSC75

[warm scarab]

or truthear hola

[candid cosmos]

just recieved them, packaging easy win, tips also a lot better than whatever kz shipps but i still seem to prefer the kbear07 on them.

Sound however, soundstage seems better so for gaming f.e it can be very cool most likely, but they are quite a bit more silent than my zs10 pro x, tho doesnt matter on pc, and feel more bass heavy, most likely due to the lower top end...

And im talking without the bass adapter thingy which i will never use...

another fun thing, i find that they sound best when pretty silent, whereas the kz shine when they are loud - thats interesting.

Ye the kbear 07 will stay on them. Another thing is, i find the kz also much more comfortable.

Sooo tldr, i have 2 iems that i have to keep. lol. Without really prefering one over the other, the kz might still stay my daily drivers when it comes to mobile, but for pc i will switch a lost most likely, or keep the zero:reds there, will see...

[warm scarab]

bad items generally benefit from higher volume

[candid cosmos]

But the zero:reds get worse?

Which is weird

Like i dont even want them loud

[warm scarab]

comment wasn't related to the reds in particular

[candid cosmos]

ye still

[warm scarab]

i think they are better than the kbears anyways

[candid cosmos]

kz

kbear are the tips

[warm scarab]

oh i thought you meant the iems

[candid cosmos]

kz zs10 pro x is my daily till now, got the zero:red 20mins ago and running kbear 07 tips

on kz cause the kz tips are ass, and on the zero:reds now cause i prefer them a lot over the given ones, however the given ones arent total trash.

[unique wind]

i own 6 iems and the tips that came with truthear red are my favorite surprisingly

i kinda wanna try those ones that form to your ear and dissolve over time

[candid cosmos]

I guess its a lot Personal pref.

[unique wind]

100%

tip comfort is all preference

[candid cosmos]

However i steongly think some can be objectively Bad

Also, imma take that back about the Bass plus Adapter thing.

If you drive the iems with input the added Bass is kinda fun actually. However for basically always it would be too much for my Taste.

Which is funny because acording to the graph the kz should be more bassy.

However it fells like its actually the opposite, even without the Bass Adapter thing.

[unique wind]

i use the impedance adapter

i didnt when i first got them but i have now for the majority of the time that i've owned them

[candid cosmos]

Daym...

Basshead lol

[lean grove]

He's not a bass head he's just got an active warrant out for his arrest

[unique wind]

yah sg wants me dead

[nova wagon]

the power requirement do be a bit higher than most kz, hence the extra volume needed

[candid cosmos]

I know

Still good to know that the sensitivity seems to be a lot lower

[nova wagon]

yea, requires a bit more power than my aria

[cosmic wraith]

Ok

[nova wagon]

got a simillar experience demoing a hexa from my friend, need to turn up my phone a bit cause the sensitivity is a bit lower

also question, does anybody know a braided cable that doesnt have cable noise?

[candid cosmos]

Cable noise - jesus...

But the lower sensetivity has a single upside for me, the noise my k7 makes, which is veeeery low and only really there on high gain, is quite a lot more quiet than on the zs10 pro x.

[unique wind]

iems on high gain is wild

[candid cosmos]

Okay the sens is a lot lower.

On my kz about 6/8 of the bar is already Limit i can hear, and across the Board, not like a peak or something... This is on full and only loud.

So ye.

On my phone id be fine cause its Borderline loud enough, but yea.

On any other phone id might wouldnt be able to use them.

[candid cosmos]

hehe

i dont need it, just wanted to point it out

[nova wagon]

you need like 10mw for the zero red if i did the head math correctly

[candid cosmos]

dunno how much my phone has, but its got a lot. poco f2 pro, dunno why but that thing is rediciolus.

could even drive my 250 ohm dt990 to a useable level

[buoyant vale]

Bro has all the treble degen gear

💀

[candid cosmos]

yea selling them.

Got them cause i wanted open backs, hate the sound.

[nova wagon]

at least more than 25mw of power

[candid cosmos]

where you got that from?

[nova wagon]

also, you did turn on hifi sound right?

[candid cosmos]

ye

[nova wagon]

plug the sens and impedance spec to this https://headphones.com/pages/headphones-power-calculator

[candid cosmos]

and region outside eu to unlock the amp

[candid cosmos]

ye but like - i cant say how loud they got.

[candid cosmos]

if on anywhere in eu that thing is limited to like a third of the power

[nova wagon]

oh for that, you need to get a decibel meter to get a rough idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6desZTqTXY

[candid cosmos]

its laughably low

[nova wagon]

oh look its golden

[candid cosmos]

hard to measure iems tho

either way dont really care xddd

[nova wagon]

you could just yeet that mic flush with the tip

i just notice that im listening at 2 on windows 🤣

[candid cosmos]

just know the zero:reds (for me at least) are borderline without an amp, my phone is fine and stuff, but my mobo f.e. would clearly be too silent

[nova wagon]

i see

[candid cosmos]

(strix x570-i)

but again, im listening pretty loud.

[nova wagon]

funny enough, after i replace the stock cable on the aria, it suddently picks up more static noise

made me invest on a dongle

[candid cosmos]

lmao

hmm

just put on my zs10 pro x again, i really cannot say which id prefer, for a music pov, maybe even the zs10 pro x, at least for the static noise type genre i listen to mostly xdddd

cause like the sound is just fun tbh

[nova wagon]

could just be a tuning differences
zero red do be a lot less bassy than kz in general

[candid cosmos]

on measurements yes

[nova wagon]

i do listen to songs with vocal, so i really appreciate less bass

[candid cosmos]

thing is, to me it feels like the other way around, most likely due to the lower treble on the zero reds...

and im talking no bass adapter thing

[nova wagon]

yea the treb is also less peaky

[candid cosmos]

and and and i think part of the difference might be that the measurements are done with stock tips, and the kzs are total garbage.

[unique wind]

if something sounds bad on truthear reds then it's the song's fault tbh

[candid cosmos]

not saying bad

[unique wind]

in terms of annoying treble peaks anyway

[candid cosmos]

saying less fun.

[unique wind]

because red has none

[candid cosmos]

like it sounds like the treble is slightly too low, but that might also be me being used to u shape or soft v shape

the kz feel less bassy, while on paper they are much more bass heavy

which si very weird

[nova wagon]

does the kz bass feels muddy?

[candid cosmos]

not a little imo

[warm scarab]

you are confusing layering, slam and dynamics for bass

bass quantity and quality is different

[candid cosmos]

i know.

[warm scarab]

kz has mushy garbage can bass

its hollow and static

[candid cosmos]

it does feel like a bassy iem, but not in a bad way its - interesting.

Not something id call flat but also not bad.

[candid cosmos]

Exactly what my zsn pro x were.

[unique wind]

truthear reds do have too little energy in the upper air frequencies which is probably what nyashi is noticing

i would imagine that area is boosted on KZs making the disparity even more obvious

[candid cosmos]

Zs10 pro x currently a heck lot better

[warm scarab]

give it a day

you will change your mind fast

stop swapping between them and use one for an hour or two

then do the swap

[candid cosmos]

the bad thing is just, the stock tips

[candid cosmos]

did

few hrs on the zero reds

i like both, but for different things.

[unique wind]

when i went from v-shaped kbears to moondrop aria i was like

holy shit these sound compressed and crunchy and terrible

and then after i had forced myself to use aria for a week the kbears sounded terrible

[warm scarab]

you must be listening to music with some garbage mix man idk

metal?

or phonk

[candid cosmos]

The kz are just fun, hard to explain, kinda really like how they sound, but only them, hate my zsn pro x f.e.

The zero:reds seem to be better at lower volume and most likely for gaming id believe, will test at some point.

[warm scarab]

maybe nightcore or anime

[nova wagon]

i feel like thats a time thing tbh

[candid cosmos]

Everything.

[warm scarab]

it is for the most part

[unique wind]

i enjoy phonk on reds

if anything red are very tame and sound better with aggressive music

[candid cosmos]

Jcore, jrock (currently), oldschool rock/metal, recent stuff etc. Really everything.

[nova wagon]

i did instantly miss the bass quantity when switching to the aria
give it a week, and then the bassline on fatrat sunlight now sounds boomy on the ig955 and live pro +

[warm scarab]

out of all of those oldschool rock is the only one with the hopes of having decent mix

jcore and jrock jass ass mixing

metal has ass mixing

[candid cosmos]

for the static noise like jcore/speedcore mix whatever, the kz are a clear win cause its actually just fun, for everything else i really cannot decide.

[warm scarab]

recent stuff I don't know doesn't say much

and old rock is good if you are listening to pink floyd or led zeppelin for the most part

majority of it falls into the loudness wars era

[unique wind]

i looked up jcore and clicked on the first thing that popped up on spotify

it sounds like pokemon battle music

[candid cosmos]

so most likely when im doing rhythmgames id still use the kz, for everything else i will switch a lot most likely, for gaming like fps i miiiight (cause didnt try yet) prefer the zero:reds.

[warm scarab]

classic music on planars go hard

and on speakers

like

[candid cosmos]

hehe, theres literally everything.

[warm scarab]

really fucking hard

[nova wagon]

how does this sound when you a/b ing the zs10 pro x and the reds? https://open.spotify.com/track/6K8VQ84MqhsoakN5MjrnVR

[candid cosmos]

Can go from boring dance to like speedcore mixed with metal and melody.

[unique wind]

i would probably love variations if it has obviously more air than reds do like sharur claims

[nova wagon]

i found out that the reverbed bass makes bassy iem real boomy

[unique wind]

when i swap to sundara from reds im always like holy shit

it's almost overwhelming having your hearing above 10khz unlock

[candid cosmos]

can already say i dont like the song, at least on the kzs for now.

any particular part i should repeat on both?

[unique wind]

yeah idk man im going through some jcore songs and im enjoying them on reds

[warm scarab]

@unique wind put on your sundaras, eq a nice bass shelf and listen to this

[unique wind]

i love pink panther

ill definitely do that when i get home

[warm scarab]

this is my favorite main theme recording

[candid cosmos]

Go with camellia uufo has very interesting and fun stuff which isnt like vibrator on launchpad with speedcore kicks

[warm scarab]

it goes the hardest with speakers but still fucks with headphones

[unique wind]

everything goes hardest with speakers thats a given

[warm scarab]

nah

speakers shit themselves with poorly mastered music

[unique wind]

unless it's something with extremely warm and intimate vocals like some billie eilish songs

[nova wagon]

around 25-45 sec
the transition when the reverbed bass started to kick in

[candid cosmos]

can say the zs10 pro x are a lot more comfortable in my ear

[warm scarab]

anything with good mastering goes super hard

anything without flops

[unique wind]

songs that you can tell the artist was using close mic technique sound pretty cool on headphones

you get the breathiness

[warm scarab]

anyone here played bg3?

[candid cosmos]

can say the bass is cool on both, cannot really prefer one over the other, alltho that song highlights the point where the kz are more bassy.

[nova wagon]

yea, kz uses a shell thats regarded as some of the most comfy for a lot of ear

[warm scarab]

@lean grove i know you did

[nova wagon]

red shell do be more bulky

[candid cosmos]

the rest - dont know.

[unique wind]

most comfortable iem ive used was kbear ks2 but it sounds like ass

[nova wagon]

yea
i feel like its a matter of getting used to something different

[warm scarab]

spinfit tips?

[nova wagon]

right now the benchmark you got is the zs10, so ofc anything thats different will jump out

[candid cosmos]

Voice doesnt sound that lifelike - which might come from the relatively high treble on the kz, tho not bad or anything.

[unique wind]

cereal bowl midrange, jbl bass, peaky treble

[candid cosmos]

What i can say i cannot use that song to compare both iems tbo

[warm scarab]

just give it time

[unique wind]

ive never used spinfits

[warm scarab]

use an iem a day

another another day

you will eventually decide

[nova wagon]

yea, just wanna demonstrate the difference in bass quantitly between the 2
you should compare the 2 based on what you know by hand

[candid cosmos]

the part at 2:40-3:10 is pretty cool on the zero:red

[unique wind]

the lack of air on reds isnt going to go away with time

if you want to defeat that without eq you have to get a triple driver iem that costs a lot more

[nova wagon]

zs10 also has a ba

[candid cosmos]

or use my zs10 pro x

Like said i like both, but for different things.

[nova wagon]

which does help in the high freq things

[lean grove]

Yeah

[candid cosmos]

yea might be the reason why i prefer them for the weird ass music i often listen to

[unique wind]

joji sounds so good on truthear reds

joji sounds good on all good gear though

[candid cosmos]

then again for gaming i might prefer the zero:reds

for non rhythm gaming tho...

[nova wagon]

on the reds you got 2 dynamic which is okay at all ranges, and then the purpose of those 2 is to create the harman ie bass hump

[warm scarab]

which act

[nova wagon]

i think im in the same dilema like you with the hexa compare to my aria

[candid cosmos]

yea it sounds like theres a thin sheet of fabric compared to the kz, not bad or anything, but - a thing.

hard to explain.

[unique wind]

i really do not like aria

[warm scarab]

its alright

[unique wind]

its bass shelf is limp and it's uncomfortable as heck

[warm scarab]

but outdated

[nova wagon]

notice the extra spice in the plousives due to the bas in the hexa, not sure if its better cause i just used to the sound

[unique wind]

yah

when it was new it was groundbreaking

$75 iem that isnt dogshit? buy

[warm scarab]

yeah it shook the entire market

it was huge

[unique wind]

but now you can get something that slaughters it for $55

and something that's basically as good for $25

[warm scarab]

i was surprised by how good the salnote zeroes were

like if that is 20$ now i wonder what 150$ gets you

[candid cosmos]

god i hate that i currently only got a single pair of kbear 07 and have to interchange them for the iems xddd

[nova wagon]

4.0 industrial revolution amirite

[unique wind]

not much

midfi priced iems are kinda pointless

[nova wagon]

in the food industry, theres now a domestic version of the pacojet ice cream maker for like 1/4th the cost

[warm scarab]

how much is that

[unique wind]

i feel bad for the people in SG who get groomed into buying timeless

it's not good

[warm scarab]

yeah lol

[candid cosmos]

gawr guras reflect is also f.e a song i strongly prefer on the kz, and ye i know vtuber, i just like the song, nothing else...

[warm scarab]

they dont like it either

[unique wind]

it's bloated and sibilant

that's another victim of

[candid cosmos]

what about jumpstyle

xdd

[unique wind]

it was the first affordable planar iem that didnt suck

but it's radically outdated now

[warm scarab]

it was always

[unique wind]

and yeah true because driver type doesnt really matter

it's a means to an end

yeah cool it's planar but we already had better dynamic iems

[warm scarab]

it does but not much when its an iem

at least from real life examples

[nova wagon]

3300 pounds for the pacojet
and 210 usd for the domestic version, ninja creami

[warm scarab]

christ thats super affordable

soft serve right?

[unique wind]

it's awesome that iems are so cheap now but at the same time there's a HUMONGOUS hole in the market

there's basically nothing worth buying inbetween $55 - $520

[warm scarab]

awesome now that ice cream machines are so cheap

[warm scarab]

variations

[unique wind]

yeah variations is 520

thats my point

[warm scarab]

lol

[nova wagon]

well, sort of
they are basically a very powerful blender that can blend a frozen anything into ice cream consistency

[warm scarab]

meh

[candid cosmos]

ye jumpstyle also scores a win on the kz for me.

How about actual good music now? lets see.

[unique wind]

all the $100-400 iems are just worse than the $55 ones that have come out recently

[candid cosmos]

By the end of this im a grandmaster in changing eartips.

[nova wagon]

traditional soft serve machine, you would need to make a base before putting other stuff in
still immensly impractical, but hey, the price is the same as premium home ice cream maker

[candid cosmos]

okay i think the older stuff thats not as airy anyways might be a win for the zero:reds

[unique wind]

i would think that stuff would be even worse

[nova wagon]

we talk about all this stuff, then we have the ssr

[candid cosmos]

dont even have to double check on the kz there

[nova wagon]

christ that thing is bright

[candid cosmos]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/track/6GtX0jaNL8IjVQfrDBx81z?si=f185e28b818845e9

Wouldnt know if thats a song thats actually considered good or something, but i like that a lot on the zero reds

movie music might also be a win.

for the zero:reds

[unique wind]

@warm scarab what are the form fitting eartips that dissolve over time called?

[warm scarab]

bad mixing

[candid cosmos]

dont care tbh

[warm scarab]

i mean

okay

lol

[unique wind]

it sounds fine to me

[candid cosmos]

also thats wanted like - what most artists do xd

[warm scarab]

i have no idea man

[unique wind]

satisfying bass and the vocal is clear and intelligible

[warm scarab]

super muffled

no stage

[candid cosmos]

Im pretty hard on the point to say bad mixing.

[warm scarab]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3Qz9kp62gudrIVPHnb6PEE?si=f02ca6a8a55c461d

good mixing

[unique wind]

it is pretty soft sounding though

ill listen to this caboosing thing

[candid cosmos]

okay i hate this one - sorry.

dunno why.

unpleasing to me

[warm scarab]

it was meant to demonstrate mixing anyhow

not for you to enjoy

[warm scarab]

just listen to this if you want top tier mastering

its peak

[candid cosmos]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/track/1xrfci6PJJIBzCbKTmfuX3?si=5408c65d3bdf4743

This is also veeeeery fun

thats what i call dirty

[warm scarab]

why are your spotify links cursed

they dont integrate

[candid cosmos]

hold on, this might be a close call between kz and the zero reds.

[warm scarab]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3zJRvtQkHQRTNEXSY8jQPR?si=7bfdf4b4d13446be

also top tier mastering

not very wide but sounds are very distinct

incredibly clean

or anything radiohead makes

https://open.spotify.com/track/0YJ9FWWHn9EfnN0lHwbzvV?si=5509b9231e3b4d95

[candid cosmos]

on that one, i like the bass on the kzs a looot more, and the airyness is also pretty cool.

One i really cannot prefer one over the other.

the guitar part is more better on the zero reds.

But heck its doom music, thats basically made for the kzs xdd

[warm scarab]

that gives me doom eternal ptsd

[candid cosmos]

ye okay the kz win there

[warm scarab]

it was miraculous they took bfg from 2016 and somehow made it fucking worse

without changing anything

motherfuckers halved the bitrate and called it a day

[candid cosmos]

hm dont really like either sadly...

cannot compare

but i have to compare creep

[warm scarab]

creep

die

literally the darkest stain on radiohead

[candid cosmos]

its childhood sorry.

[warm scarab]

i wont accept it

[candid cosmos]

okay thats also one where the kzs might win cause air

[warm scarab]

i think kz gave you ear damage

[unique wind]

common side effect

[haughty girder]

there are a couple KZs that look pretty cool ngl

[candid cosmos]

im always shocked how much more i have to crank my amp on low gain for the zero:reds..

[haughty girder]

I'll never use them

[warm scarab]

d-fi

[haughty girder]

especially given .75mm

but

credit where credit is due, a few of them seem pretty nice

[candid cosmos]

I actually love the zs10 pro x look

[haughty girder]

I don't

zs all suck

[warm scarab]

aria has to be my favorite design still

super classy looking

[candid cosmos]

Btw close call, zero:reds win by a smol bit.

[haughty girder]

Aria is up there, but I actually really like how the Kato blues look

[unique wind]

too bad it's a literal knife

[haughty girder]

the other would be something like the S8

[unique wind]

only iem that has ever given me actual ear pain

[warm scarab]

ear issue

[haughty girder]

skill issue

lmao

[unique wind]

it's unnecessarily heavy and the shell corners aren't smoothed enough

[warm scarab]

literally

ear issue

[haughty girder]

Yea... it's a you problem

[unique wind]

oh well

[haughty girder]

unfortunate really

[unique wind]

it's a dogshit iem in today's market anyway

so it's not unfortunate

[haughty girder]

eh

[warm scarab]

i dent modded my arias

[warm scarab]

im with michael on this one

[unique wind]

i lose nothing by not being compatible with it

it has no redeeming qualities

[haughty girder]

it's not bad it's kinda dated

[unique wind]

truthear red destroys it in every metric

[warm scarab]

product of its time

[haughty girder]

kinda like the kato

[warm scarab]

well yeah not bad

but dated

[haughty girder]

it's no longer a the king of its price class

[candid cosmos]

also jesus there are so many older songs i cannot like on in ears. wheres my mind, paint it black etc, i hate left/right only...

Alltho i like both songs, but only on speakers.

[haughty girder]

it's solid but there's better now

[warm scarab]

rate my aria mod

[haughty girder]

which is just how chifi goes

[unique wind]

it's a straight up bad choice at its price

[haughty girder]

so is the kato

[unique wind]

so is everything moondrop makes except for variations

[haughty girder]

and so will the truthear reds in a bit

[unique wind]

that's their only good iem right now

[warm scarab]

moondrop do be falling

[haughty girder]

but looks wise moondrop still has some appeal

[warm scarab]

the end of a weeb era

[unique wind]

more like moondrop started the weeb era

and now companies that are willing to sell iems for way less are leading it

also using weeb boxes

[warm scarab]

i will never forget posting your mascot with c*m on her moondrop

on your instagram frontpage at that

[haughty girder]

wdym it's clearly yogurt

they said so

[warm scarab]

oh

mb

[haughty girder]

xd

[hallow depot]

anyone knows a tool you can use to tone/adjust your microphone?

[warm scarab]

eq apo

[haughty girder]

equalizer apo or literaly any mic software on the market

[warm scarab]

peace gui if you are unintelligent

[unique wind]

obs

[haughty girder]

eqapo just happens to be very powerful for a free tool

[candid cosmos]

papa roach is one i can basically only listen on my kzs rather than the zero:reds, but limp bizkit might be zero:red again...

[hallow depot]

Thanks!!

[candid cosmos]

Jesus, didnt think i cannot decide between the iems like at all.

I simply like both.

[warm scarab]

watch tutorials to how to use either, it isnt very straightforward

[haughty girder]

But yea the Moondrop S8 just have a classy look that I like

[candid cosmos]

For portable daily the kzs will stay. But for pc, i will have to swap around...

[unique wind]

how are you having issues driving reds on mobile

[haughty girder]

I wish they didn't screw up the starfields

[hallow depot]

Yea I know, I feel I'm about to be knee deep in new stuff soon

[warm scarab]

thieaudio >

[haughty girder]

not really

[warm scarab]

their designs are great

[haughty girder]

their designs aren't in the same category

[candid cosmos]

i dont really, just dont find them as comfortable and for most music stuff i personally listen to the kzs win, that said i listen to very weird stuff.

another thing is kzs are more loud.

[unique wind]

loudness shouldnt really be a consideration

[haughty girder]

KZs getting louder means it's easier to drive

[candid cosmos]

Which would be a worse thing cause i listen very loud and zero:red on max is a safe loud value but whatever

[haughty girder]

that's your output limitation

not the iems

[unique wind]

an apple dongle can easily give you hearing damage with truthear reds

[haughty girder]

I can guarantee the reds if you give it enough power can go louder than KZs without distortion

[candid cosmos]

i will never get a dongle.

[warm scarab]

why

[haughty girder]

what phone you using?

[candid cosmos]

poco f2 pro

Its very loud.

[unique wind]

50% on my macbook is the max i would ever run them at and it's only comfortable if i have both in

[haughty girder]

even my cheap Oneplus N10 doesn't have issues driving reds

[unique wind]

and that's while using the adapter that drops a few db

[candid cosmos]

But like zero:red on max is only very loud, not like boderline hearing damage xdd

[unique wind]

i think you might already have the damage my friend

[candid cosmos]

Its a thing that will never matter cause i never actually listen that loud.

But its a piece of mind thing, not having to crank the amp

[warm scarab]

holy shit

qtips are sounding rods for ears

yooo

[candid cosmos]

btw i actually dont, which is very interesting.

[warm scarab]

how do you know lmao

[candid cosmos]

cause hearing test

i can actually hear very good

like very silent sounds, very wide range etc etc

[warm scarab]

when did you take it

[candid cosmos]

might have been better beforehand, but who cares

not long ago

after years of being very uncautious with music and stuff

[unique wind]

if you’re having issues driving iems you might have some damage

[candid cosmos]

i dont

like said the loudness thing is mostly piece of mind, at least for my phone.

Pc however is actually too silent for my taste

[warm scarab]

i think your phone dac amp might be too bad even for iems lmao

if the sound signature changes on your pc

didnt even think it was possible

[candid cosmos]

what currently makes me keep the kz as portable dailys is mainly comfort and the weird ass music i currently listen to, where the kz is a perfect match

[unique wind]

reds can handle a lot of power but they dont need a lot of power

still an iem

you give it 1mw and it's happy

[candid cosmos]

It doesnt at all.

[candid cosmos]

Never said its not enough

[candid cosmos]

could use 250 ohm dt990 tho - like said its actually loud enough but ye, i can use the iems on max volume, which i cannot for kzs for example, they might even break there lol

[warm scarab]

just return the dt990 already

[candid cosmos]

im selling them, already said.

i hate them.

[warm scarab]

nice

[candid cosmos]

Got them cause people said good cheap open back, lol.

Nope.

[warm scarab]

which people

[candid cosmos]

people who dont have good stuff it seems.

[lean grove]

I finished it.

[candid cosmos]

Then again, for the 80-90€ i paid, i think its hard to beat dt990 while keeping the openness.

coz over ears in cheap are just bad

[warm scarab]

haha, no

[candid cosmos]

got a random idea?

[warm scarab]

he400se

[candid cosmos]

Either way, surely nothing that would make me use them over iems...

[unique wind]

with the caviat that he400se requires eq to not be boring as fuc

[candid cosmos]

coz iems are just impressive in pure sound.

[unique wind]

but that goes for almost all open backs

[warm scarab]

at that budget

[candid cosmos]

ye obv.

[warm scarab]

nah, there are good reasons why no one with high end headphones uses eq

[candid cosmos]

compare 50 euro iems to 50 euro over ears lmao

[warm scarab]

that isn't a fair comparison

really

[unique wind]

this is just untrue

[warm scarab]

its pretty true

[unique wind]

resolve eqs every headphone that he owns

[warm scarab]

resolve is a weird person okay

name another

[candid cosmos]

[warm scarab]

go to any server and ask if anyone with post 1k headphones uses eq

that isn't grey

[candid cosmos]

The zero:reds actually hurt the ear canal, might get used to it, but yea comfort is not comparable at all smh.

[unique wind]

oratory

amir

[candid cosmos]

Might also get better with other eartips, ordered a few to compare.

incl spinfits cp100

so will see.

[warm scarab]

amir makes wrong measurements, then makes profiles to fix the wrongly measured headphones

he is proficiently incompetent

[candid cosmos]

but what i do know, for lower volume i prefer the zero:reds overall tbh

[warm scarab]

he cant measure headphones for shit

[candid cosmos]

so maybe another reason to use them for gaming where i use vc which is louder than game

[warm scarab]

oratory i don't know, i don't think he ever said anything about eqing is headphones

anyhow those are just famous people, for each of them i can name 10 people

[candid cosmos]

oh just realized, ye kz are staying for otg, the mic.

I could buy another cable for the zero:reds but whatever.

[unique wind]

people who adamantly REFUSE to use eq fall into three distinct categories:
-too lazy or just dont want to install the software
-schizophrenic and think eq is evil or lowers sound quality (SG Members)
-people who view headphones as feats of engineering or art and brutally shame things that aren't tuned well (Sharur)

[warm scarab]

sharur eqs

[candid cosmos]

what worries me tho, i dont think i can actually wear the zero:reds for many hours gaming, which i can and also did often with the kz.

[unique wind]

speakers ya

he refuses to eq headphones or iems for personal use

[warm scarab]

he eqs headphones too

[unique wind]

no

he's eqd iems and headphones to make comparisons in videos but he doesnt eq anything that he daily drives

[warm scarab]

well now he just uses speakers

[unique wind]

and raw variations yeah

[warm scarab]

variations doesnt need eq anyhow

[unique wind]

but there really arent any other categories that i can think of

typically there's a heavy overlap between people who refuse to eq and people who have absolutely zero audio knowledge

[warm scarab]

you dont need audio knowledge for using eq

if you like it you listen to it

if you don't, then you don't

[unique wind]

that wasnt what i was trying to say

[warm scarab]

i cant read it in any other way

[unique wind]

ill try to reword it

people who refuse to eq are often those who have a lot of experience trying out different gear, but don't actually have any audio science knowledge or listening skills

[warm scarab]

audio science okay

listening skills makes zero sense

a person who can blind test two dacs can absolutely tell ups and downs of eq

[unique wind]

if they had listening skills they would be apalled by the glaring flaws so many expensive headphones have

[warm scarab]

if you listened to any high end headphones you would be incredibly appalled by how little frequency response describes them

[unique wind]

there's just no way i can notice 1-2db scoops across a 1khz wide band but these people genuinely enjoy HORRENDOUS headphones

[warm scarab]

there are reasons perfectly tuned dca phones sound like utter trash

[unique wind]

they dont

objective audiophiles still view stealth as the best headphone ever made

[warm scarab]

you didn't listen to them so of course you think that way

anyone who listened to them heavily disagrees

[warm scarab]

best measuring? yeah, best sounding? not even close

[candid cosmos]

daym found a cursed setup, Kz zs10 pro x with the bass adapter from the zero:reds.

coz its mostly subbass, thats not a great sound if im being real, but its a fun combination, tho i dont think id ever use this setup.

[unique wind]

the same people that think transparent measuring source gear has audible variances

LMFAO

[warm scarab]

you are still under the impression good measuring means nice to listen to

[unique wind]

it does

[candid cosmos]

really depends.

[warm scarab]

most objectivists I speak to apart from sharur heavily disagrees

including my friend who has a custom mold of his head as a measuring rig and is several tens of thousand in solely measuring headphones

[candid cosmos]

the kz measure crap, but i actually like them.

The zero:reds arent a clear winner or something.

Just comes down to what i actually want

[warm scarab]

he says dca makes the best measuring headphones, he says they are boring as shit to listen to though

[warm scarab]

this is like hitting two rocks together and comparing them to the big bang so you are a bit off but yeah

[candid cosmos]

jesus is the bass adapter fired kz dirty, thats actually not good anymore, but for like one or 2 songs funny.

okay imma get that out xdd

[unique wind]

i dont understand how anyone could say stealth is boring and then put on a linear bass headphone with an ear gain recess and act like it's a ton of fun

the bass is limp and unimpactful and the vocal clarity is terrible

[warm scarab]

because it sounds dead and compressed as fuck

[candid cosmos]

its like doing a bar downhill on a eq

[warm scarab]

this is why we tell you to listen to stuff before commenting on them

even objectivists read ten different measurements when comparing headphones

[unique wind]

the thing is klaus

[warm scarab]

you only read frequency response and distortion charts

[unique wind]

my experiences match up with harman research, not schizo claims

even when i didnt know jack shit about audio the eqtweaks i did on my own with no input from others mirrored harman research

[warm scarab]

harman literally never says anything about this subject

harman never reverse engineers headphones or what makes them good

[unique wind]

i lowered the mid-upperbass and regions in the treble where there were peaks without even looking at a graph or knowing anything

[warm scarab]

harman tries to engineer how humans react to certain things

[unique wind]

i eq headphones to the same target and they have the same tonality

[warm scarab]

if your inspection of harman research is anything like sharurs, it would be incredibly easy to disprove

[unique wind]

i try headphones and iems with ear gain recesses

i dont like them

i find myself having to actively listen to hear vocals more clearly

[warm scarab]

you try the total 5 items you have

[unique wind]

i fill in the ear gain, problem solved

[warm scarab]

which are shitty entry level trash

that have 10$ chifi drivers each

it's literally a meaningless comparison

[unique wind]

these $10 chifi drivers measure better than $2000 piece of shit v shaped hifi iems

[warm scarab]

iems are a different story

[unique wind]

these companies are literally scamming you

[warm scarab]

their frequency response is a major part

headphones have tons of other measurements

with good reason too

[candid cosmos]

michael you also got the zero:reds right? which tips do you use?

wait you are running stock iirc -

[unique wind]

i use the tips from the left column and second row

[candid cosmos]

then ignore my question xd

[unique wind]

the ones labeled measurement set here

[warm scarab]

literally even rtings imaging consists of 4 different headphone measurement types

[candid cosmos]

ah we both liked the same the most

[unique wind]

sometimes i use the foams but i prefer the left column middle row silicone tips

[candid cosmos]

prefered the smaller holed ones

[warm scarab]

and their soundstage has 5

that is literally 9 different measurements

[candid cosmos]

tried foam too, god i hate foam tip sound signature

[warm scarab]

which you have no idea how to read

you can claim objectively in headphones sure

[unique wind]

i am the graph master klaus

[warm scarab]

but your words are meaningless until you can actually read a chart that isn't frequency response

[unique wind]

grandmaster actually

you personally cant even guestimate tonality from a frequency response graph so i dont know why youre saying that I cant read graphs

that's like

literally step 1

the most basic measurement

instead you skip to focusing on waterfall measurements and other shit

[warm scarab]

yes

[unique wind]

that are WAYYYYYY less important

[warm scarab]

sources: trust me

[unique wind]

source: the science and my personal experience

[warm scarab]

you don't have any personal experience reading anything not frequency response

[candid cosmos]

also tracked down what was up with my ears hurting, the tips simply dont fit the iems, the outlet is longer and also in diameter slightly larger, and as i pushed them all the way to the back, i made a buldge on the front, which pressed in my ears, now that i didnt push them too far its better.

[warm scarab]

so basically nothing

[candid cosmos]

Turns out you just have to use your mind lol

[warm scarab]

when two headphones are close in frequency response rather than the lack of some stupid 1db deviation at 400hz, those measurements are what makes the difference

it is what makes your sundaras not susvaras

[unique wind]

susvara is worse

[warm scarab]

lol

i rest my case

[candid cosmos]

daym, got to the point where i have to interchange iems... Didnt think i can get there...

I already see myself collecting way too many different ones...

[unique wind]

dont

thats a massive waste of money

[candid cosmos]

lmao

i know

[unique wind]

just use reds and the kzs that you like

[candid cosmos]

but like - every hobby is expensive asf

and ye - will see.

[unique wind]

yeah but in those other hobbies youre probably actually getting something for your money

if you buy a bunch of affordable iems youre just throwing money away

theyre objectively worse than reds and you have the kzs for when you want something v-shaped

[candid cosmos]

i mean if you use them - i dont see it as actually wasted but i get your point.

[warm scarab]

this

[warm scarab]

you wont

literally get one good pair and stick to it

[unique wind]

if both the objectivist and the schizo agree that it's a waste of money then don't do it

[warm scarab]

don't collect bad items

[candid cosmos]

It just feels like owning multiple bikes, you have a different one for different uses

[warm scarab]

it isn't

[unique wind]

i highly encourage you to not take the "different flavors" approach to audio equipment

[warm scarab]

you are looking at things from a golden ear boomer viewpoint

[unique wind]

youre going to end up wasting a horrific amount of money

[candid cosmos]

lmao

[warm scarab]

give it a week and odds are you will be using only one of your iems

[unique wind]

if you end up wanting better iems youre gonna have to spend like

$500 as a baseline

[warm scarab]

invest in headphones at that point

[unique wind]

all the shit in the $100-400 range is outdated or bad

[warm scarab]

iem price performance drops

steeply

[unique wind]

and then youre spending $500 just to get that smooth air frequency extension

10x as much money for just 10khz-20khz

[candid cosmos]

im pretty sure i wont, simply cause i have a thing where id clearly chose the zero reds, and stuff like my broken music taste and rhythmgames, where its clearly kz

[unique wind]

this jcore music sounds like something youd hear in a roblox rythym game

[candid cosmos]

same with how i used to use the dt990 for gaming, just because of the soundstage and actively hated the sound

[candid cosmos]

jcore is a very broad genre tho

[warm scarab]

dt990 has actually good fps gaming performance

especially for source games and shit

[candid cosmos]

metamorphose laur, is wild f.e

[unique wind]

i wanna try playing with a 5.5db 10khz shelf

to see if it makes any noises more obvious

in games i mean

[candid cosmos]

In terms of like hearing where everything is, yes.

But still, i cannot like the sound for shit.

Hence why i sell them.

The zero:reds might be a very good fit there

[lean grove]

Literally shat my pants when I heard that for the first time.

[candid cosmos]

until i try them

[warm scarab]

same, 1 week in, still cleaning

[warm scarab]

yeah they sound like shit

they just have good gaming performance

[candid cosmos]

but like just listening to music i just feel like it might be a good fit, especially since i really dont like over ears for longer periods of time.

[unique wind]

klaus resend the pink panther audio

[candid cosmos]

God i have to recieve the tips shortly, i want to switch iems cause music, but boy i dont want to change the tips again...

[unique wind]

i wanna listen to it on my reds before i put my macbook away and clean up here at wrk