audio-tech

[warm scarab]

closed back

[vapid depot]

sundara has a closed back version 💀

[acoustic canyon]

does this channel talk about home theater stuff too?

[unique wind]

not really

[warm scarab]

which is really bad

[vapid depot]

i assume so but i know a lil

[vapid depot]

it’s pretty bad yea

better than akgs tho

[unique wind]

no it isn’t

[warm scarab]

isn't really

[vapid depot]

if u eq right

i didn’t like the akgs

[warm scarab]

you can't eq out resonances

or dips/peaks

[unique wind]

sundara closed

[vapid depot]

yea i hate that abt closed

[unique wind]

it’s rly bad

k371 is straight up good except the one dip in the treble

[twin spade]

since these are 32 ohms i'd use the amp on low or nah

[vapid depot]

it doesn’t matter

it’ll run fine even without the ai1

[unique wind]

i would use neutral gain yeah

shouldn’t need high gain

[warm scarab]

don't worry about it

also more ohms don't equate to needing an amplifier

sensitivity and ohms do

[twin spade]

yep i found that out afterwards

• ig i have a kinda small head and a couple headphones ive tried on were too big, are k361 on the large side?

usually not an issue idk

[warm scarab]

its moderately sized

[woeful marsh]

ive been getting into audio engineering

like heavy 40 gb projects on fl

and im in the market for a new cpu, im looking at a ryzen 7 5800x3d, a ryzen 9 5900x and a ryzen 9 5950x. Which would be better optimized and have better performance for working in a daw and needing maximum ram utilization

the ryzen 7 has the 3d cache but proportionally the 5950x had a lot more cores

where do the diminishing returns start?

[unborn gale]

5800X3D is probably your worse bet

don't think anything other than gaming properly utilizes the 3D cache, of course do tell me if I'm wrong

5950X should be the most powerful so if you want the best, probably just go for that

[warm scarab]

I don't think cpus are related to the audio chat

but feel free to hang around we don't have much visitors

[unborn gale]

but yeah, probably ask somewhere else like #tech-chat-1

[cold spindle]

you might have a bit less latency tho on big projects you probably want the more cores

[shrewd turtle]

got an audio question so i want to get myself a second pare of headphones got £100 to spend what would you guys recommend

the headphones wil be used with my Tascam US-2x2 interface

[warm scarab]

akg k361

k371 if available to your budget

[shrewd turtle]

what about the PHILIPS Fidelio X2HR

[unborn gale]

that's good too

I guess it depends on whether you want open or closed back

[shrewd turtle]

the PHILIPS seem more like the way i want to go as they will be used at my pc to listen to music

[warm scarab]

it's only ability it being open back

its fairly meh

[silent haven]

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Amplifier-Bluetooth-Connections-Subwoofer/dp/B07YQ2V2BK/ref=sr_1_13?crid=22EN81BVR7ON8&keywords=tube%2Bamplifier&qid=1694656475&sprefix=tube%2Bamplifie%2Caps%2C212&sr=8-13&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1

thinking of trying tube amps

is this any good

not looking to spend more than 250

[shut parcel]

are the Sony WH-CH720Ns any good?

if not, what are some good wireless headphones/earbuds for around 100-150 USD?
maybe a combination of headphones and earbuds for seperate uses?

[silent haven]

nothing thats wireless is good

sony,beats,bose etc are all the same

equally shit with muddy bass

[sharp oracle]

Checkout what I did w/ my speakers 😂

[candid cosmos]

Finally, Sound.

(fiio k7 pro)

Onboard Audio basically useless, Front panel Signal is broken, so i can use the k7 for both my open backs and my iems.

And additionally, i can use the line out for my speakers to hopefully leave the usb Chatter i can hear on the mobo out...

Sounds like a crap mobo, tho its actually a strix x570-i... Lol

[ivory tangle]

Is the GXL2200 and the MC450 good for 462 AUD (295 usd)

[normal peak]

not nessesilary true for example galaxy buds

im pretty sure ive heard jbl has a pair that wouldnt offend an audiophile

[next niche]

hey, normie here, I've been looking at moving to the Beyerdynamic DT990 pros @ 120 ohms from some steelseries wireless ones, but I was unsure if it is a good purchase, as I can't figure out what ohmage my motherboard audio supports, if I need an amp, and what budget amps are recommended. any advice would be greatly appreciated!

[buoyant vale]

https://youtu.be/0arQra-fJ9M

[next niche]

...

any other recommendations then?

[warm scarab]

why did nyvo review the dt990 lmao

[buoyant vale]

He needed to verify if they would blend

[buoyant vale]

dt880 or hd560s or something I guess

[next niche]

any reason you would recommend the dt880 over the 990s?

[warm scarab]

because its better

[next niche]

how is it better?

[unique wind]

i would pick sennheiser hd560s for an open back or akg k371 for a closed back for that price range

those are the two most well tuned headphones in that price range and they’re both very very easy to power

[dawn isle]

I use g773 or whatever the frick the numbers are

[void cobalt]

Looking for some new earbuds rn. Anyone have experience with the galaxy buds 2?

[lucid obsidian]

so I got the hifi XS a few months ago and wanted to know what a good wireless counterpart would be. I really dig the sound i get from the XS and dont want to cart them around with a cable or anything so id like to find a good wireless pair too. Whos got the lowdown?

[lean grove]

There's the hifiman Amanda wireless but I don't think anyone should buy that unless $600 is pocket change for them.

[lucid obsidian]

i mean i dont really have a budget as i had like 7 other headsets that equaled like 2k i think?

but woudl you say they are like as close to the wired XS behind an amp and dac?

I have the element 3 for reference

took me forever to get rid of them to get the wired ones but man im glad i did, these things are pretty good. now id like to kick the airpod max for good too 🙂

[lean grove]

They'll sound similar. The differences between the edition xs and the Ananda are pretty minor.

I think the DAC and amp built into the Ananda will be good enough, they're probably not anything special.

If I were you I would get a qudelix 5k and a nice cable that you didn't mind tucking into your shirt.

Buying an expensive headphone whose lifespan is tied to a lithium ion battery seems like a waste to me.

[lucid obsidian]

Oh snap that min dac/amp would probably do nice for daw use on an ipad too! dang never thought of that!

Yeah thats the other things too i was thinking, like hows the battery or can i even replace it if needed. Id like to keep them for like 4-6 years ideally and with heavy use that battery would probably need replacing after 3-4 years id think?

[lean grove]

I don't even know how easy it would be to replace the battery.

I really don't know.

[lucid obsidian]

Hmm, yeah true i havent had a headset ive kept that long so idk for sure either.

But i mean if im getting the mini dac id just forget the ananda and just bring the XS with me everywhere

[lean grove]

I've had my qudelix for 3 years now and it works just like the day I've got it.

[lucid obsidian]

but i kinda didnt wanna do that.

[lean grove]

Actually it works better since all the firmware updates.

[lucid obsidian]

Nice! it defeinitely looks like it would be worth it its just the idea was to have a complete wireless set almost as close to my wired set as I could have. But i mean i know its going to be hard to match a dac/amp wired headset by just a wireless bt set.

But that mini dac definitely has my attention now lol

So if say the ananda is a little pricey what would be the next best youd say? maybe 1-200 bucks cheaper?

[warm scarab]

doesn't have a stupid mid bass bump

[warm scarab]

you wont really find something as good sounding with built in wireless

the best way to tackle this is qudelix 5k like nils said

[next niche]

ok. What ohms would you recommend for integrated mobo audio, or do you think I would need extra equipment

[warm scarab]

250 ohms

[next niche]

ok

[lucid obsidian]

Yeah thats what i was assuming, basically nothing gonna touch the wired setup but wanted to get as close as i could and have the wife stop nagging that im taking her headset all the time lol

And something of better quality than the AirPods. Seems a bit muddy to me now after using the XS for awhile so now I don’t wanna use them as much

[warm scarab]

yeah you'd want planars

if dynamic sound muddier to you

try audeze maxwell maybe

[lucid obsidian]

sorry i speak goofy i should have clarified. the airpods are what sounds muddy now i think just because of being used to the XS

so you think the audeze maxwell is better than airpods max?

300 not bad for them id guess?

[warm scarab]

that is how I understood it as well

[lucid obsidian]

oh ok lol my bad

[warm scarab]

airpod max are just bad in general

you can get better than them for relatively cheap

[lucid obsidian]

Yeah I just dont want to have to touch those anymore, and if this audeze is better then thats next on the list

snagged a 2nd hand valve index this morning for 500. gotta bank some cash again lol

[warm scarab]

valve index for 500 is pretty damn good

[lucid obsidian]

I was thinking so too. I ordered the bigscreen but idk when ill ever get it and just getting the VR itch again

and got stupid lucky....my cousin had some extra clearance items or some shit and he gave us 4 quest 2s for the family. so the families that got the quest 2's gave me back the rift and rift s's i gave them. so i literally have like 7 VR sets again lol

gonna try n get em sold ASAP for some new headphones!

Or maybe replace these old JBL 306's and LSR310 sub. idk yet lol

[warm scarab]

306 are pretty damn nice

maybe do some room treatment + eq

not saying you shouldn't get better speakers but any speaker you have and will get in the future would benefit from this

[lucid obsidian]

Oh i love them they are just beaten to hell. they were in a garage for a couple years and now have been inside for the past year. but its peeling along almost every corner on both speakers. Sub is fine maybe just replace the 2 speakers

My friend who had them before me proabably didnt take good care of them while he had them.

But he sold me the 2 speakers and sub for 450 back in 2020? maybe early 2021

[warm scarab]

the foam decayed?

or just the paint

[lucid obsidian]

yeah the sides are actually some type of glued on material thats peeling up

[warm scarab]

some dude is going to buy that from you for like 50$

then repair it for 20$ and make fun of you with his friends

[lucid obsidian]

oh for sure! but im not looking to profit off them or anything. i got plenty of use and enjoyed them

def got my moneys worth

and id prolly list them horridly cheap too. some people could just use a break lol

[warm scarab]

lol

[lucid obsidian]

and id partially consider the speakers issues as water damage. as the garage they were in was always wet and used as a pool room

i think thats where i feel they arent worth much. figured its peeling over the times random kids and people running past them soaking wet or pool toys and crap getting them wet

but no sound issues so atleast they 100 percent working lol

[warm scarab]

you could very well refurbish them for like 20$

refoaming speakers is a common practice

[lucid obsidian]

and not in the slightest possibly damage them? never done it before so unless its stupid easy id rather not lol

[warm scarab]

it shouldn't be difficult, plenty of youtube tutorials

[lucid obsidian]

the backs and fronts are perfect still. just the sides and the tops where the peeling is happening.

[warm scarab]

could always ask someone who knows it to do it for you

then pay them the extra

[warm scarab]

the foam or the paint?

[lucid obsidian]

the paint i think.

the front is plastic

[warm scarab]

oh

I thought you meant the driver foam was going bad

[lucid obsidian]

hold on i got my 305s and they got something similar on the tops one sec

ohhhh! lol my bad no

completely cosmetic ill show ya one sec

[warm scarab]

ah

[warm scarab]

ah

[lucid obsidian]

The corners there are on my wifes 305's. And hers have been inside from day one bought brand new.

[warm scarab]

was the cabin of jbl 306 wood + wallpaper

or just entirely plastic

[lucid obsidian]

yeah

the front is plastic the rest is wood with that wallpaper material on it

but on mine that stuff is cracked n dry peeling up along every corner

[warm scarab]

yeah you'd have to peel it all of and recover it again

[lucid obsidian]

so would that be hard to do? or expensive?

[warm scarab]

not really but sticking paper to wood can be surprisingly tricky to do flawlessly

[lucid obsidian]

Yeah id bet id need some extras lol

[warm scarab]

you might also need to sandpaper some of the wood if the surface has warped in a way or another

[lucid obsidian]

couple mulligans 😛

yeah i think the wood is expanded a bit on one of them id have to peel it all off to tell for sure.

[warm scarab]

there are people who run this sort of service if you cant be bothered

[lucid obsidian]

I mean if its not crazy expensive id give it a shot or two? what do i need?

id assume specific type of materials they stick on there?

[warm scarab]

honestly

I have no idea never did this myself

[lucid obsidian]

oh damn lol

[warm scarab]

generally I just give my speakers to professionals and they refurbish everything for me

[lucid obsidian]

yeah id have to start looking for some place that does that. oh well maybe worth a shot

i dont got anyone i know that is into that type of work or theyd already heard from me maybe

[warm scarab]

if it's just wood honestly

I bet any type of wallpaper would stick

[lucid obsidian]

i mean it looks just like regular particleboard/plywood

[warm scarab]

but in terms of looking good, there are vinyl wood panels that are very convincing and feel nice

[lucid obsidian]

its just the glue/adhesive has turned it dark brown lol

ok yeah i guess ill have to see about some of those if i cant find someone who does it as a pro

i mean i doubt id screw it up alot. but i think id could make it presentable and much better looking than now

[warm scarab]

welp

id advise wallpaper that has been covered with adhesive by stock because the general stuff used needs you to sandpaper the wood to get rid of the adhesives

so if you mess up the amount you would need to sandpaper multiple times

[lucid obsidian]

oof good point. yeah depending on how swoolen the wood is once its all off will tell.

but yeah good idea for some with adhesive already on it. id prolly end up with air pockets n shit lol

[errant wharf]

Probably a noobie question but could someone explain a DAC? Like how does it work when i plug it into my computer?

[alpine musk]

Digital-to-analog converter
It converts digital signal to analog signal

It won't do anything new per-say in comparison to your on-board audio, but it will be able to supply enough power to better headphones.

[warm scarab]

you know your headphone jack right

behind it are two processes that occur

digital to analog conversion and then the amplification

a dac does the digital to analog part which is essentially making information into an actual sound

and an amp takes the signal outputted by the dac and strengthens it so that you can feed it to your headphones

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/Gd_mhBf_FJA

[errant wharf]

When you say better, how better of headphones are we talking?

[alpine musk]

I used a vague term, sorry. Basically studio headphones, but even many of those don't have high impedence.

Most headphones and earphones are in the 16-32 ohm range.

If you have like 150 ohm headphones you won't hear anything even on 100% or just a whispering

[errant wharf]

So would it even be noticeable on a 32 ohm headset if i were to buy an external DAC?

[alpine musk]

I would say not...

If you don't have somekind of interference with you on-board audio (hearing buzz or hum), then there is no need for it.

[warm scarab]

this is completely false

250ohm beyers are 100% usable on any basic motherboard

[alpine musk]

...but...how?

[warm scarab]

because ohms are meaningless

there is a measurement called sensitivity

if anything more ohms make headphones easier to drive because it needs less current

[alpine musk]

Welp, then I have no idea what is DAC for except high-end audio and need for more in/outputs

[warm scarab]

yes given dacs aren't usable by themselves anyways

they need an amplifier chained to them

[errant wharf]

So, regardless of what everyone might think of the brand, steelseries sells some of their headsets with a DAC. Does it even do anything then?

[warm scarab]

the gamedac is just for utilities

[alpine musk]

I am more accustomed to DACs with integrated amp. Like Schiit...

[warm scarab]

if all of this was a rhetorical question to ask us about steelseries headphones

I can already tell you to just avoid steelseries in its entirety because they make bad headphones

get audeze maxwell and be done with whatever you want

easily the best wireless headphone on the market

except ananda bt maybe which isn't suitable for gaming

[errant wharf]

I more just dont understand what a DAC is and how it could.help anything

[warm scarab]

I mean both nils and I answered you already

you just have to read

or watch the video in nils' case

[errant wharf]

And i dont understand why they would need to offer it when no one else seems to offer one in that market

[warm scarab]

you mean steelseries?

[errant wharf]

I understand now tho

Yeah

[warm scarab]

the steelseries thing is just for stupid utilities that don't have anything to do with a dac or an amplifier

[alpine musk]

Cuz people see it as more value.

[warm scarab]

its like a chat mix

[errant wharf]

Oh weird

[warm scarab]

or a surround toggle

[alpine musk]

I mean...those things are pretty need for average gamer

[warm scarab]

that is true but you can get better functionality for 50$ with other items

[errant wharf]

But an actual DAC it is not

[warm scarab]

an actual dac is absolutely needed for any listening

and an amplifier

[errant wharf]

Right

[warm scarab]

in some point in your headphone/speaker chain, there is a dac and an amplifier

maybe even in the headphones themselves

[warm scarab]

yeah

or its just a single chip like in the apple dongle

[alpine musk]

Back in the good old days motherboard manufactuers would actually boast about audio capabilities 😄

[errant wharf]

Pretty standard on motherboards now, correct?

[warm scarab]

if there is a headphone jack

there is an amp/dac behind it

[errant wharf]

Got it

[warm scarab]

unless its not like a standalone amplification unit

dac makes info into sound, amp makes the sound signal louder so it can actually power your headphones/speakers

[errant wharf]

Now if i was to look into a nice studio headset, would i look at getting an external DAC or would onboard probably still be gtg?

[warm scarab]

im going to sound like a bitch but some things to correct there

headset means a set of headphones + mic

and studio headphones don't necessarily mean good, most studio headphones are mass produced durable headphones that don't particularly need to sound good

people call the good sounding headphones generally music headphones or audiophile headphones

as for your actual question, honestly unless like you are 300$ into headphones I wouldn't be concerned about a dac/amp

[errant wharf]

Awesome, makes that easier

[lean grove]

Baseline Klaus

[lethal bloom]

So i just purchased some creative pebbles with a subwoofer and im having trouble setting them up on my pc could anyone help never really messed around with speakers before

[warm scarab]

you should read the manual

[errant wharf]

Anyone familiar with the audiotechnica m50x headphones? They decent as a relatively affordable pair for gaming?

[warm scarab]

pretty bad

[errant wharf]

Bad how?

[warm scarab]

they sound awful

which i presume you wouldn't want from a headphonr

[errant wharf]

Awful compared to what? Like what would you recommend?

[warm scarab]

akg k361

akg k371

hd560s

he400se

tygr 300r

pc38x

[boreal solar]

https://tenor.com/view/yall-need-jesus-digibyte-dgb-titus-kimmy-schmidt-gif-19102218

[acoustic ravine]

I like them a lot for classic rock as well as playing with groups.

I like my 6XXs for listening to jazz, classical, and gaming

[sturdy pond]

I like my headset to have earthy tones

[warm scarab]

what does earthy tone mean

[lean grove]

when the bass hits gravel and dirt needs to fly out from the drivers

[sturdy pond]

exactly what i think whenever someone describes sound

these audiophiles can smell sound

[lean grove]

assuming something is nonsense because you dont understand it is a common habit of highly intelligent and learned people

[warm scarab]

this is the response someone gives sharur every 5 minutes

which he of course acknowledges and improves himself as a person afterwards

and doesn't quote random sentences from forum posts of harman researchers

[lean grove]

m50x is probably one of the most overhyped headphones out there. they're $150 and worse than $40 koss porta pros.

i think they'd be appropriate at $30

maybe $20

[warm scarab]

you mean worse than the 18$ ksc75

[lean grove]

ksc75 doesnt have bass extension. id rather not give m50x any chance

[warm scarab]

or the truthear holas

[lean grove]

regardless. there's about a half dozen options which are better sounding while being signifncantly cheaper

[errant wharf]

Drop has the pc37x for super cheap. How much of a downgrade would that be?

[warm scarab]

not sure

never listened to it

[lean grove]

37x is still worth

[warm scarab]

odds are still significantly better than the m50x though

[errant wharf]

Fair enough

[errant wharf]

What makes the 6xxs good for gaming?

[warm scarab]

better than nothing imaging

but hd560s is a bit better and tygr 300r is a lot better at that

[vast mango]

Hey, kinda obscure considering what this channel is mostly used for but can anybody give me a recommendation on how I should arrange the speakers for my deck that I'm replacing, I have pictures but I'd rather DM them than send them here

[alpine musk]

I can't take ShortCircuit seriously.
To be honest I never did, but I saw a bit of value in it even though I looked at it as affiliate link machine more than anything...
But 5 minutes on a audio product? I know Linus defended it that ShortCircuit is basically just unboxing, but considering how influential your hosts are to fans... Many bad purchases can be done because of this.
https://youtu.be/DBfD92opZC8

[warm scarab]

I don't think you need more than a minute or two to review an item honestly

[alpine musk]

and gotta love misspelling the brnad name xd

[lean grove]

First and foremost your speakers should always be pointed at your ears without anything in front of them.

Second try and make an equilateral triangle, speaker even distance from each other and from you. Then adjust positioning until it sounds best.

Third, try and move them away from surfaces. Walls, desk, monitor face. All of those things can impact sound. If you can lift them off your desk and keep them away from your rear wall that's good enough

[warm scarab]

I feel that most youtubers stretch out basic pros and cons of headphones for so long that it has become the norm to spend 20 minutes to review anything

[alpine musk]

Okay, but this isn't a review and the claims are from few seconds of impression. Yet the influence on the viewer can be high.

[warm scarab]

fair

[vast mango]

I know, the main thing that I'm struggling with is that my deck is a very weird shape and multi-level

also it's my deck, not desk lol

outdoor audio

[alpine musk]

Third, try and move them away from surfaces. Walls, desk, monitor face.
Levitation? Especially the desk. How woul I lift them off the desk? Like a stand...?

[lean grove]

Most people would use a stand yes.

[ornate linden]

I forgot all about this guy

[lean grove]

Most forgettable ltt main character

[ornate linden]

do I wanna watch this

[lean grove]

It's like 2 minutes

He says he likes them

That's pretty much it

[alpine musk]

Damn, that is fcking crit dmg

I love some of his SC stuff... Razer Baracuda was funny

[warm scarab]

generally you will watch zeos speak nonsense for 30 minutes and conclude that while he talks he isn't saying anything

and then you watch this guy who accomplishes the same in two minutes of time

that's talent

[ornate linden]

average audio """"reviewers"""" in a nutshell

[alpine musk]

I miss the days when written reviews were more common and had more funding...

[lean grove]

Written audio reviews were never good

[ornate linden]

There's some written reviews that weren't bad

[alpine musk]

I started with IEMs thanks to this site:
https://audiobudget.com/

[ornate linden]

I liked tylls old writings

same with crin

granted most sites are just lifestyle bloggers shilling shitware

[lean grove]

Well what makes those exceptional is the fact that they didn't rely on just writing.

They were objective measurements with a written review that added context

[silent haven]

Topping dx3 pro+ or magni

[warm scarab]

magni

[silent haven]

Magni sucks

[warm scarab]

so does the dx3

[silent haven]

On my 3rd one because of quality control issues

[warm scarab]

that doesn't say anything relative to the performance, just the quality control

[silent haven]

Not buying schiit again

Need something better

[warm scarab]

zen can

[lean grove]

Then why'd you ask

[silent haven]

smsl a300 looks decent

Nvm wrong one

[ornate linden]

how do you kill a magni 3 times

[silent haven]

H300

Pot issues

Tons of resistence and inconsistency turning

Buzzing and distortion when adjusting

Like mine has now

[lean grove]

That's not really an issue.

[ornate linden]

That's not exclusive to schiit

[lean grove]

You're not adjusting volume while you're listening

[silent haven]

Tried it on my 90$ cheap amp and it didint have it

Its ultra obnoxious if you listen to anything low hz and adjust knob

[lean grove]

Low hz

[silent haven]

Tested it with a tone generator and its across all hz

But noticeable when listening to bass heavy songs

[ornate linden]

Is that grayshadow guy still here

[lean grove]

@grey.shadow

Nope

[ornate linden]

rip

he was my favorite side character in the ltt audio multiverse

[buoyant vale]

Grado guy left too

[silent haven]

this server is full of sharur tier help

[half fog]

imagine recommending schiit after someone here literally posted one of their more expensive models letting out smoke

lower quality control standards than hifiman

this image

[warm scarab]

it sounds like an apple dongle

when I invest money into something I expect it to sound better

and not get an apple dongle with a higher power out

[half fog]

imagine expecting an amp to sound better when they are not supposed to color the sound

[silent haven]

This fucking server

[warm scarab]

because sound is subjective and neutral sound is not stimulating to humans

you live in a 24/7 echo and distortion chamber

it would be weirder for you to be mentually stimulated by neutrality

[half fog]

this channel is an echochamber for sharur tier shitposting

[warm scarab]

that's why humanity invented the concept of demoing rooms 50 years back

you of course

[silent haven]

You are listening to the music as it was mixed not the coloring of the amp skewing the sound

Schizos

[warm scarab]

there are 20 reasons you aren't receiving the neutral "artist's intended" sound to begin with

Amp being neutral should be your last concern.

EQ goes as far as frequency response goes

which even rtings isn't as stupid to claim is everything in a headphone

[half fog]

according to some people it makes sense to buy a steaming pile of shit like an HD 650 and then buy an amp that costs 2x as much as it to "give it full potential"

[warm scarab]

I'd like to enjoy you equalize impulse response and bandwith into a headphone

would certainly be a sight

[warm scarab]

yeah thats silly

issue is

headphones aren't perfect

so there isn't a perfect impulse response or frequency response

[silent haven]

Klaus is just a harmon trained expert here like sharur

[half fog]

"BBBUT iMPulSE RESPONSE IS jusT ANOTHer REprESEntaTIoN of frequency response!!"

[warm scarab]

so everything to a degree slips into subjectivity

Looking into numbers doesn't mean anything when they cannot be adjusted with a calculator in real life

You add one dampener and 50 parameters change

No

Re-read

I don't

you are misinterpreting everything in a way that favors you

[silent haven]

[warm scarab]

I am telling you that understanding the science behind something is vastly different than utilizing it in real life

Everything you have said assumes that we can measure frequency response perfectly

which isn't even true lol

So we can't have perfect impulse response?

Thank you.

I don't because headphones are imperfect by default

which is why things can be subjective

same as dacs and amps

which you fail to understand

It was a rhetorical statement

I restated multiple times that perfect cannot exist

Because headphones are flawed by nature

They don't have what we describe as a stage

A speaker can stimulate whatever room you are in

and that is natural

[silent haven]

Harmon trained listener

[warm scarab]

a headphone is two driver strapped to your ears that tries to stimulate a natural room

If by software you mean an equalizer then yes it is impossible to compensate for that

If that was possible then the need for purchasing new headphones would be an irrelevant concept

you would just get a free airplane supplied in ear and eq it to warwick aperios or something

That is true

I never stated something might be possible or not in the future

but currently, we can't

would be lovely if we could

No, I am agreeing that I don't know about it

Yes

uh

[lucid obsidian]

Lol what?

[warm scarab]

Because I don't have future sight I don't think this makes headphones perfect

lmao

We shouldn't be talking hypothetics if we can't prove them

it wouldn't be fruitful, not to me at least

If I was in fact intelligent enough to discuss a technology that does not yet exist and also convinced you are capable of the same

yeah I think this would be a fruitful conversation

I feel that you are using staging as a one thing

just one factor, which is inherently not wrong

but the aftereffects of that staging are huge and are what makes speakers a generally preferred tool over headphones

I don't claim that you think or state otherwise but I just want to clarify regardless

resonance, diffusion

and the directionality of all of it

You can't really tell a headphone driver to physically come to a halt faster with software

it would be like asking a car to stop faster with a program

it's not very realistic

yeah but headphone drivers aren't physically capable of this

because of how they are made?

I don't follow

this is incorrect

at this point I am fairly certain you are baiting me

might have taken me a bit too long to realize

[lucid obsidian]

Yeah I noticed back when software could make headphones perfect lol

Now that had me goin

[warm scarab]

people really do think that one so I took it as possible

[half fog]

why are there people that believe that there is no "speed' to a driver and that the transient responsiveness doesnt exist and its only the frequency response that matters

saying that an hd 600 is as good as an electrostat

actually saw a forum post claiming that

[warm scarab]

you don't have speakers?

here is a pair of ksc75 and eq apo

no need to thank :^)

just eq in the room

[lucid obsidian]

What about actual bass presence. Don’t think there’s anything you can do to give that real feel you only get from full size speakers or monitors?

[half fog]

no point in arguing with people that think you can get the same sound as speakers or high end headphones with something like an IEM with an "ideal" frequency response

[warm scarab]

think of it like making a car's brakes stronger with a program

I am not sure how you can argue otherwise

[silent haven]

Dumb and dumber intellectual shit flinging contest

[half fog]

there are people that belive that if you have a shit driver and EQ it to the "same" frequency response an actually good one that it will sound "identical"

[warm scarab]

you were filtered by a knob making a noise while dialing it

be humble man

you can just try for yourself

get two headphones

[half fog]

there are multiple reasons

[warm scarab]

eq one to the other

well it should be

oh okay

[half fog]

some reasons being that say you have a 20db sub bass rolloff and you EQ to make the sub bass 20db higher than the rest of the FR

the drivers cannot handle it and start to shit themselves

severe distortion

thats an obvious example

[silent haven]

Klaus the ultimate reddit soy lord who spends all his time arguing sharur tier shitpost

[warm scarab]

I argue with sharur constantly

I have no idea how you come to this conclusion

maybe

not exactly the same

but close perhaps

lots of factors

like the driver

[half fog]

I dont think you can simulate sound stage and correct for really bad imaging with just equalizing frequency response

[warm scarab]

distortion is one of several things

because it is what produces the sound

[half fog]

ears are extremely sensitive to delays in the sound reaching your eardrum and differences in that

[warm scarab]

it being different in one way than another makes the sound different

[lean grove]

Are we being raided by AHS shitters

[half fog]

like if a sound is slightly more delayed reaching one ear than the other it gives a perceived location

and why your ears have a specific shape

[warm scarab]

wouldn't be the 1st time

there are serveral measurements like distortion, frequency response, impulse response and group delay

[velvet pier]

do you think id ever need more than one mic input on an interface when its being used to record voiceovers/youtube videos

[warm scarab]

and more which I probably don't know about

how did you become an admin in ahs

[half fog]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6632510/

[warm scarab]

you are still ignoring the other measurements I mentioned and the ones I myself admitted to not knowing

you are very up to touch with AHS then lol

[silent haven]

Cant win with pseudointellects

[warm scarab]

except for sharur stepping into the speaker zone

first thing sharur did was saying that room treatment is irrelevant for good speakers

:/

i mean harman made a paper on the subject in 2002

that is true

but not true mostly

there is stuff you can eq and stuff you can't

[half fog]

someone who thinks that room treatment is not important is either trolling or fully braindead

[warm scarab]

well yeah I guess you aren't wrong, I was just upset by you saying "mostly" to the issues you can eq out

[half fog]

because the sound waves will reflect off of the walls

[warm scarab]

for starters sharur said it so i think that is a good argument

:(

[half fog]

not sure how that isnt bad

why do you think there are anechoic chambers

[warm scarab]

based

[warm scarab]

they don't to my knowledge

reflections are good

just

when they are adequate

reael

[half fog]

reflections are bad when its to the point that it sounds like you are shouting into an empty barrel

[warm scarab]

yes but anechoic is a bit different than that

that is really just making speakers into headphones with crossfeed

[half fog]

still its dumb to think that reflections can be eliminated or compensated for adequately by just EQing

[warm scarab]

they can be compensated for somewhat

id like to test out harman target speakers in an anechoic chamber

it would be interesting

harman defines reflections as a bit different than normal users

they define stuff as like, acoustical interference

which people normally just call reflections

so I can why blaxkor is saying what he is saying

im chill

yep

did sharur bring it up recently

really do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789847646944493598/1149849243884978256/chrome_MHTFGarqUY.png

[silent haven]

Try not to bring up shitposting meme channels for 3 minutes challenge impossible

[warm scarab]

sharur refuted this with floyd saying no room treatment can be fine in a single forum post

ah

[half fog]

on my way to do antitreatment to a room by hanging up gongs and cymbals on each wall

[warm scarab]

would be fairly epic ngl

glass wouldn't look as mentally unhinged as cymbals

they sound objectively worse

I appreciate them for privacy and outdoors though

[half fog]

the only thing that reduces or eliminates the need for room treatment is a pair of headphones or in ear

[warm scarab]

you can reduce need for treatment with eq

you can't eliminate it imo as well

[half fog]

ok so put your "best" speakers right up against a flimsy wall that echos when you even talk near it

with a 1 inch gap behind

[warm scarab]

that is a bit different though

its like saying wear your headphones the other way around

[half fog]

speaker placement is part of room treatment

[silent haven]

This channel needs psychiatric treatment

[warm scarab]

not really

just a lot of them

[half fog]

if the room is big enough then the reflections do not matter

unless you are playing the speakers at a concert volume level and the sound waves coming back have enough power

[warm scarab]

ever heard an underground sports hall's acoustics

goodn't

they do sound awful

[silent haven]

Beyond repair

[warm scarab]

generally

I feel like there is maybe an ideal listening position in theaters

you took into account where you were standing?

yeah like where in the room

same

oh

maybe its better sounding for the ground floor, I thought this when it was sounding this bad

never been to a good movie theater either

its just a shitty distorted sub and lots of nasal frequencies where I go

I don't think I have actually

honestly

might

imax is a fucking meme anyways

they throw certificates to anything

I went to this one cinema and you could literally see them dim the projector's light to save money

it was such a shitshow

in imax

yeah

it is lmao

had I known better back then I would have asked for my money back

[fallen lava]

Worth it?

[silent haven]

Yes

[warm scarab]

cool box

not sure about the subwoofer

[velvet pier]

can a scarlett solo + fethead power shure sm57 or do i not need a fethead

[shut parcel]

opinions on Sennheiser HD 450BT for casual use

[lean grove]

if you can use digital gain and a compressor then you should be fine.

otherwise it might not be as loud as you want for discord

[velvet pier]

so like

i could just bump it up in audacity

[lean grove]

yeah. or OBS. or voicemeeter. or whatever.

[velvet pier]

wont it have more hiss though

[lean grove]

yes

in theory

but in practice it might not even be noticable

i would try it out before dropping $100+ on a fethead

[velvet pier]

alright

im not doing music or whatever so i dont think i need an interface

with more than

1 mic input

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

are you gonna buy these or do you laready have them

[velvet pier]

im buying all this at once

interface, sm57

[lean grove]

ah.

skip the scarlet solo then.

get the wave xlr. its got digital gain baked into it and can drive the sm57 without any issues

also now that i think about it too why the sm57

[velvet pier]

this?

[lean grove]

thats more expensive than i remember

[velvet pier]

canada

[lean grove]

ah ye

that

[velvet pier]

cuz it sounds like sm7b but costs 400$ less

i actually

like it better than sm7b

its nice and tiny too

[lean grove]

take a look at the sm58

that ones specifically designed for vocals

[velvet pier]

i like the sm57 better than the 58 too

[lean grove]

okay then

[velvet pier]

most youtube comparisons said it was better too

ima try to find that wave thing somewhere else

[lean grove]

oh brother not this guy again

[velvet pier]

ur positive this can power sm57?

[coral tiger]

Here's another interface up in that price range
https://a.co/d/daudank

[velvet pier]

canada

unfortunately

[lean grove]

more expensive. does less.

[velvet pier]

bestbuy has it

[lean grove]

how does ebay look

[velvet pier]

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/355032310290?hash=item52a9932212:g:QE4AAOSwC-lkuKqJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwEgOBKD3J0X%2FCVG4Hvh5VfRke9E%2BIJy31auHPnVnl8I3HCqm%2BsfS%2FlRrkgGUppJkTmf04LU8yzaBxhOR6OuThShsYrlnb8KQamMvRoNNMDDMuh%2FXKR70qIpZ5LIkoWcadi5nKt%2Bl8Oyrn3NqFddhNGmCEGO%2FXzgskS09R54s4kGnpTnKKMxxPDNFa4xdgBlqjecmmogJuHjfhgqtrZKZzHcSychfgi6eQUo5Chth0tcwiAoYuvUpN6QxCkzf8NGbOQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4SA6eDSYg

this is basically the only listing

[lean grove]

looks like a good deal.

[velvet pier]

without me paying more than amazon

yes but i have to wait a whole month

[lean grove]

is a month worth $65 cad

[velvet pier]

to me

uh

probably not

oh wait

bestbuy one doesnt come till at least the 21st lol..

[lean grove]

not the worst.

personally i'd do the ebay one. save it from the landfill and its a significant chunk of change

then again you're also giving money to a french canadian which is its own downside

[velvet pier]

of course the thing that actually works well is gonna take forever to get here

🙄

[lean grove]

well its not the only thing that works well. just imo the best

scarlet solo and free software to bump up the gain would work too

or getting a usb mic.

[velvet pier]

solo + fethead wouldnt be that much more than the wave itself

now that i think about it

its almost the exact same

[velvet pier]

@lean grove what if i just https://www.amazon.ca/GoXLR-Mini-Interface-Streamers-Podcasters/dp/B07XH41DLN/ref=asc_df_B07XH41DLN/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=335024611341&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=560705865213452295&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002269&hvtargid=pla-841295746224&th=1

[lean grove]

Didn't goxlr go bankrupt

[velvet pier]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory tangle]

is the Shure SRH840A and Blue Ender good for 375 aud

[velvet pier]

ok i checked and it says they dont support the goxlr anymore

the thing should still function tho

[lean grove]

What are the odds of a windows update making the goxlr incompatible?

(I'm genuinely curious)

[velvet pier]

yea im not bothering with it lol

i think im just gonna go with the solo + fethead i really dont want to wait

if i dont like sometihng, i can just return it

magic of amazon

[shut parcel]

opinions on Sennheiser HD 450BT for casual use

[velvet pier]

yo @lean grove

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0CFLL6RWQ/ref=sw_img_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1

i missed this option

[lean grove]

looks... interesting...

[velvet pier]

i gotta do some quick research before they ship my order

ok its noisy

[velvet pier]

of courtse this little shit goes on a tiny sale right after i buy it

[wheat moss]

https://www.floatplane.com/post/N1IBc2NCVk

ight nerds, what are razer rebranding this time

oops that's a floatplane link lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfD92opZC8

[nova wagon]

if i have to guess, kz?
kz churn out bunch of iems with that ergo shell, the tuning is also in line with most in house kz tuning

[warm scarab]

its worse than the solo

[ivory tangle]

is the AKG K371 and PD70 good for 377 aud

[silent haven]

Get sundaras

[unique wind]

idk anything about the pd70 microphone but akg k371 is unbeatable for the price if you want a closed back

[ivory tangle]

Its 228 aud atm which is like 150 usd I believe

[warm scarab]

its a bit more expensive than it should be but not a terrible price

[slim mason]

Dt770s with EQ could also be an option. Without EQ they are kinda shit tho

[buoyant vale]

They sound bad with EQ too

[weak rapids]

Imo if you have to add eq to recommend it then it shouldn’t be recommended

[unique wind]

eh

there are only a handful of closed back headphones that aren’t total rubbish without eq

[ivory tangle]

So its fine?

[warm scarab]

yeah decent headphone

[unique wind]

the k371 are $228aud?

[ivory tangle]

yea

147 uds

usd when converted

[unique wind]

that’s a good price

they’re $185usd (without tax) in america right now

[ivory tangle]

oh damn

also is the presonus pd70 good

currently 148 aud or like 96 usd

[unique wind]

i don’t know anything about it

[warm scarab]

tf

[unique wind]

yeah idk

aren’t they supposed to be 150

[warm scarab]

aren't they supposed to be 130$

140€ on thomann right now

[unique wind]

headphonesdotcom says 150msrp

[warm scarab]

based thomann

10€ saved

[unique wind]

rare european w

[ivory tangle]

they are on thomann?

211 on thomman

135 usd saves me about 10$

theres also b stock thatd save me like 50$

117$ usd

[warm scarab]

don't you live in australia

aren't there imports

[ivory tangle]

nvm

ah 80$ for shipping

sticking to amazon then

[nova wagon]

yea thats a fine mic

also it needs an interface just in case you are not aware

[ivory tangle]

i have a umc 202hd

[nova wagon]

ok, you are good then

[buoyant vale]

Old

[warm scarab]

this is 100% true

you NEED to try this chain

660 just SLAMS with the IFI ZEN DAC

[alpine musk]

So I tried rocking the Zero REDs outside. I even borrowed some bluetooth "adapters" that stick into each bud.

I really miss the Speak-to-Chat function of my WF-1000XM4 - realized that I have a lot of unforeseeable encounters that I cannot prepare by taking out the buds and the triple flange eartips don't make it much easier to do in a hurry...

Today was the straw that broke the camels back when I was asked if it's hearing aid

I guess that Truthears will stay at home and for trips and the XM4s have still a job to do.

[warm scarab]

skill issue

[alpine musk]

AND I got a horrible haircut for my upcoming first day of college

[velvet pier]

its in cad

[warm scarab]

yes and?

[velvet pier]

what do u even mean

[warm scarab]

i said that item is worse than the solo

why does it matter if it is on discount

oh wait

[velvet pier]

it IS the solo

[warm scarab]

you bought focusrite solo

wtf

I thought you bought m track solo

my bad

[full cape]

So, i got the Skullcandy Crushers ANC 2.... All i can say.. Wow. May not be the best headphones, but when it comes to bass, which i love, they are so fuckin good. Has anybody else tested them yet? want to hear the thoughts of other people on them

[unique wind]

i want someone to measure crushers with the bass slider maxed out

[full cape]

i use them with maxed out slider.. they are sooo fuckin good

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/718977103126724612/1068551577406816286/aekljkwedfgt.gif

[full cape]

tho i do think 50% is more than enough if ya dont wanna blow ur head up

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-oh-my-goodness-gracious-wiggling-dancing-oh-my-goodness-gif-25946692

[grand flint]

So my Arctis Pro finally snapped at the earcup hinge

JB Weld? -- Not in the financial situation to buy a new headset atm and I have JB Weld at home - Plastic bonder

[lean grove]

Glue will help for all about 5 minutes. You need something that will reinforce it against bending because that's what broke it in the beginning.

you need go reinforce it with some sort of metal

[grand flint]

i saw someone added some bolts lol

[lean grove]

Yeah. That would be appropriate.

[grand flint]

ill still epoxy the break then

had these for 3 years

so metal reinforcement, ill find something

[fiery tendon]

I'll ask in here, because the conversation in public chat got me thinking, but the general consensus is that headsets with built-in mics have substantially worse mic quality than most standalone mics, correct?

[lean grove]

Generally yes.

[fiery tendon]

Word, I know there are definitely some higher grade like, broadcaster headsets that will have significantly better mic quality, but I'd imagine the overall recommendation would be to get a standalone mic and headset?

[errant wharf]

I mean if all you need the mic for is disrespecting minors in call of duty, you could use anything

But really, i would image it depends on what you need it for

[warm scarab]

if it is under 2 years appeal for warranty and get your money back

[warm scarab]

oh rip

still, those lasting 3 years is super impressive

[lean grove]

My main thing about getting a standalone mic rather than a headset is it allows you to upgrade your headphones without worry.

Like there's maybe a handful of headsets that are competitive compared to studio or hifi headphones.

So the upgrade path is pretty limited.

[grand flint]

i tried realllllly hard not to put pressure on that point knowing they do break

[half fog]

clearly user error and a skill issue as we all know that consumer audio electronics are built to the utmost quality with the most durable components and best design practices in mind

[lean grove]

Still salty about you breaking your ear pads?

[lethal bloom]

im looking for a new wireless gaming headset could anyone recommend any good ones they have used?

thoughts on these?

[unique wind]

the default recommendation in here is the Audeze Maxwell

[lethal bloom]

i aint made of money lol

[candid cosmos]

Well you didnt Name a Budget

[lethal bloom]

yeah my bad anything under £150 preferably

cant really justify spending £320 on maxwells

[errant wharf]

Recommend to me yesterday, the pc38x

Or the pc37x is a bit cheaper

From sennheiser/epos

[unique wind]

i don’t know of any other wireless gaming headsets that i could recommend

[shrewd turtle]

just get yourself these then you have better headphones

i know its not wireless but you get better audio

[half fog]

not sure why wireless is so popular when you have to deal with batteries and on anything with bluetooth abysmal latency

perceivable delay

[lean grove]

Not having a cable is a pretty good feeling

[silent haven]

why does it matter if you are sitting behind a desk not moving

get a standalone mic and some 150$ studio headphones

[unborn gale]

yeah but your body moves

[lean grove]

Some people get up from their desks and move (shocking)

[unique wind]

inconceivable notion

[lethal bloom]

ive used wireless for the past 5 years just dont really want to go back to having a wire

[errant wharf]

I just like pluggin stuff in

[lean grove]

@unique wind who's the person who keeps complaining about the xs headband

[mystic ingot]

Anyone got tips on affordable headphones with good sound?
like i want headphones that would be good for being immerged in the game... coming from the SteelSeries arctic pro wireless

They kinda broke at the joint today

[lean grove]

define "affordable"

[mystic ingot]

Erm,,,

Like

...

Below 150 dollar

..

..

[lean grove]

do you need a mic.

[mystic ingot]

I can buy one if thats the case

Cheap usb mic will still be better then the built in one w steelseries

[lean grove]

probably

check out the pc37x

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset

looks like its on sale now for $80

[mystic ingot]

Hmmmmm

[lean grove]

you're not gonna find a better headphone for $80. much less a better headset.

[nova wagon]

same guy who broke their pads

[errant wharf]

Just waiting for the day my steelseries headset dies now

Once i buy some new headphones the arctis will be designated for the few times i play online

[mystic ingot]

Its a ticking time bomb...

Clearly

[errant wharf]

Mine have held up but like the past 2 days i saw someones broke

Built a whole new setup so i should at least get some decent headphones to do the games justice

[velvet pier]

i cant believe i almost bought the rode podmic

that shit is terrible

[candid cosmos]

Is a more redicoulus combination possible?

200 Euro fiio k7 pro and 35 Euro kz zs10 pro x

Disclaimer got that amp for other headphones obv - and to also drive my speakers, but mostly cause im sick of all the things that annoyed me about other dac/amps...

Im happy now, so i dont care, not gonna argue about that buy decision xD

Either way, it feels very funny to plug my iems in there, at a eighth of the cost.

Doing that rn cause i dont have any other choice for Audio on my iems and i - have the amp here.

Dont always like over ear headphones on...

[buoyant vale]

[candid cosmos]

But its kinda funny, the k7 is bigger than my pc psu.

[cinder flax]

I'm not sure anyone posted this here before, but Epos (formerly Sennheiser Gaming) is shutting down their gaming biz. So if anyone intends on getting the PC37X, PC38X or GameOne headset, nows the time 🥲
https://www.anandtech.com/show/20049/epos-winds-down-former-sennheiser-gaming-headphone-business

[warm scarab]

there goes the only decent 150$ headset

[weak rapids]

I wish the dt990s 770s and the pros were better cause god they are comfy af

[buoyant vale]

stretched out 6x0 pretty much just as comfy

[nova wagon]

or get the 880

[gentle quiver]

alright im looking for a wireless headset with a mic i want it to be good but not too pricey i was reccomended the audeze maxwell but its like £350 and im hoping i could find something closer to the £200 price mark

[warm scarab]

cloud 2

[gentle quiver]

this?

[weak rapids]

Yes

[atomic ridge]

I just had my power go out, and my schiit fulla (connected & powered via usb to my motherboard) is not listed in my audio outputs now, I've tried it on two computers, two cables. When I plug power into it I hear a sound in my headphones, the usual power sound, idk what to call it. Is it dead? Anything I can try or just straight to warrenty?

[lean grove]

it sounds like you've done the appropriate trouble shooting tips. i would email schiit.

[atomic ridge]

You recon they cover these types of issues? I'd assume it falls on me for not properly setting it up

[lean grove]

i recon they would

schiit support is pretty good

[warm scarab]

wdym not properly setting it up

[buoyant vale]

inb4 using it in the bath

[atomic ridge]

well its on me to protect my stuff from power surges

[warm scarab]

it isn't really

given the item has surge warranty

amps generally do so I presume schiit also does?

will need to check

[fallen lava]

Worth it?

[blazing flower]

I have an old sony amp which I thought I burnt out a few months back, refused to work at all and would just enter protect mode as soon as you would tey to play anything at any volume but I decided to test it today just for hopes sake and it just worked perfectly, is there any general explanation for this

[warm scarab]

maybe you shorted something?

[blazing flower]

something else just happened that im on 10/30 volume (also using original speakers for amp for the impedance to be matched) it just went into protect mode when it reached some heavy bass

[lean grove]

that sound exactly like something is shorted

[blazing flower]

my brother who has a really similar amp to me had a similar issue of it going into protect mode because the connections arc when the volume is high enough because of how close they are

[warm scarab]

so it shorts

[lean grove]

you're not gonna get good advice in ltt. check out the podcastage discord instead.

they handle a lot more pro audio and recording stuff

[warm scarab]

just google it man

[lean grove]

automod gets upset when you post discord links.

[cold token]

my logitech g pro x broke and are being held together with blue tack and double sided tape

[errant wharf]

Im not that dedicated to this headset

[supple robin]

i find it funny how its a huge amp and some no offence crappy iems

[supple robin]

because gaming headsets may have bluetooth but they also have a dongle so they can significantly cut down latency making them usable for actual gaming

[unique wind]

if you get bluetooth adaptor amplifiers like fiio utws5 you can get 420kbps 80ms delay or 280kbps 50ms delay which isnt very noticeable

and then you can adapt those to plug into over ear headphones

wireless hifi with usable latency

[half fog]

usable for music listening unusable for any fps games

[warm scarab]

that isn't related to the bt adapters

its related to the receiver you have

those all have like 200-300ms delay with windows defaults

[unique wind]

it's both

you need adaptors and a receiver that both support aptx adaptive

[unique wind]

it's not

[warm scarab]

aptx adaptive is slower than other aptx codecs

its unrelated

[unique wind]

alright enough trolling

[warm scarab]

literally read benchmarks

[unique wind]

show me them

im not calling you a liar but i cant find anything that supports what youre saying

afaik aptx low latency and aptx adaptive are the two fastest codecs

[warm scarab]

aptx low latency is really fast

adaptive not particularly

[unique wind]

where are these benchmarks

[warm scarab]

that is a bold thing to say when you aren't providing any of your own

[warm scarab]

I am looking for them

[half fog]

80ms is the opposite of low latency

[unique wind]

considering proprietary 2.4ghz receivers still get you like 35-45ms of latency best case, 80ms isnt bad

[half fog]

especially when human reaction time to audio is much lower than visual

[warm scarab]

that isn't listing anything about the other aptx variants

it is meaningless

[unique wind]

okay klaus

youve provided nothing

[warm scarab]

bold of you to say that when you haven't done anything on the contrary

[unique wind]

i showed you that the documentation claims 80ms

[warm scarab]

yes

which doesn't show any of the other aptx codecs

no aptx low latency

no aptx hd

no standard aptx

wonderful argument tysm

[unique wind]

aptx and aptx hd are both around 200ms iirc

pretty much everything that doesnt boast about low latency is in the 200-250ms range

[unique wind]

you honestly cant perceive it

but if that's a big deal to you the new creative bt-w5 claims to let you manually force 50ms 280kbps

which would work pretty well for games

[silent haven]

its awful

80ms you can easily feel

[unique wind]

have you tested it yourself

[half fog]

i guess if you play stuff like moba games with a 60hz monitor and 125hz peripherals 50-80ms is fine to you

[silent haven]

ive had my share of bluetooth shit

[unique wind]

naw i have experience with basically every monitor type in existence

ive used the 25" acer 1080p 4ms 390hz ips monitor, the 32" 2.5ms 1440p240hz odyssey g7, i currently own the alienware aw3423dwf, the innocn 27m2v, and dough spectrum one

im also using the 25g g-wolves hsk pro ace wireless mouse

the delay on aptx adaptive was never the reason i died in val or csgo

[silent haven]

no reason to use bluetooth for gaming why add to your overall latency

[unique wind]

that doesn't give you an idea of what it feels like because you were probably using something that has a 200-250ms delay which would be quite annoying in games

[unique wind]

im not trying to make anyone use bluetooth i just brought up that it was an option and people that have no experience with it gave incorrect information

so i corrected it

[warm scarab]

wired stuff can very well have 80ms

I really don't think you have tested this

[unique wind]

unless youre a top-level player then using aptx adaptive is almost never going to be the reason that you died in a game

[warm scarab]

it isn't

you have a receiver michael ffs

use native bluetooth and then try

[unique wind]

i mean if youre using an intel wifi card that has SBC bluetooth capability then that isnt aptx adaptive klaus

[warm scarab]

there is a reason creative's receiver literally bypasses the native bluetooth

[unique wind]

youre basically saying "use a different codec and try"

obviously SBC is going to be slow

[warm scarab]

dude

you have a card that literally bypasses windows bluetooth handling

are you for real

[unique wind]

yeah that's required so what's the point

youre not getting aptx adaptive on pc without one of these

[warm scarab]

you are

[unique wind]

wifi card bluetooth is only sbc and basic aptx as far as i know

[warm scarab]

and at that point

how do you know it is aptx adaptive that makes the difference

you are literally eliminating like 200ms just by using a non native bluetooth adapter

[unique wind]

nah

[warm scarab]

yeah.

[unique wind]

you realize there is no "native windows bluetooth adapter"

[warm scarab]

every adapter that uses the generic drivers is one

which is like

98% of the market

[unique wind]

when youre in this menu youre still going through whatever wifi/bluetooth card you have in your pc

[warm scarab]

it bypasses the native handling

it has its own drivers to work bluetooth

it doesn't rely on windows

[unique wind]

cope and seethe klaus

the latency is from the codec not windows delay

[warm scarab]

💀 💀 💀

okay michael please buy a generic bluetooth dongle and provide your results

I am sure you will have no delay whatsoever

[unique wind]

that generic bluetooth dongle doesnt support aptx adaptive so how would that be a conclusive test

[warm scarab]

use aptx ll or standard

its like a 40ms difference at most anyways

[unique wind]

if i use standard it's going to be like 200ms no matter what receiver im on

[warm scarab]

based on what you said, it shouldn't be that noteable

[warm scarab]

its like you are almost starting to get it

[unique wind]

i think youre confused

youre arguing nothing

there is no sense in your argument at all

[warm scarab]

go get a generic driver dongle

and use the same codec as the creative one

then compare

[unique wind]

that would be a complete waste of time because it doesn't support adaptive klaus

[warm scarab]

yeah don't use adaptive for comparison

[unique wind]

i think i can force SBC on the creative adapter but why would i do that

it's gonna have 200ms of latency

[warm scarab]

so that you can compare

[silent haven]

michael plays roblox

all that needs to be said

perception not fully developed in children

[unique wind]

two uninformed people who havent used the tech are in a state of confusion right now and im sorry for you

i have extremely perceptive eyes and ears