audio-tech

[warm scarab]

see i told you

what matters sticks

fiio would never disappoint

[steel escarp]

nah its too boring sounding with no treble

also the earpads are not comfortable

too small

[warm scarab]

you would have had good treble if you deserved it

[buoyant vale]

ear mod when? ✂️

[steel escarp]

dt880 has good treble extension

[warm scarab]

maybe instead of buying headphones you should have worked harder at being worthy

[steel escarp]

I work hard

I got a new job

[warm scarab]

i think dt880 gave you a negative peaking filter at 10khz with ear damage

[steel escarp]

I dont have a peak at 10kHz with my dt880

[warm scarab]

paid operative spotted

[steel escarp]

wait its a dip at 10k

[warm scarab]

not even concincing

[steel escarp]

I find the dt880 lacking in treble compared to the xs

I was thinking maybe getting meze 109 pro

focal clear seems very mediocre

[warm scarab]

xs doesn't have more treble

it's just more airier and responsive

which are arguably the same thing

[steel escarp]

I like it when its a bit airie

not too much, but it needs to be there

[warm scarab]

yeah why do you keep buying shitty fucking dynamics

[steel escarp]

I didn't notice the treble was this bad

with the ft3

via the graph

no clue what this foam is with the green line

why is it so many dynamics get that 4k dip and 5k elevation

[warm scarab]

because they hate you

[sacred oak]

don't understand why they dont use software to just adjust the output based on headphone specifics, theoretically some one could make software and you could use a known mic config to do all the work no?

[steel escarp]

Actually accurate measurement rigs cost over 1k

[warm scarab]

autoeq exists

[steel escarp]

Also there is still the matter of what it should be adjusted to. Nobody would agree on one standard.

[warm scarab]

which tunes most relevant headphones to the harman target

but frequncy response is only one aspect of a headphone

no matter how much you eq, you cannot defy how the driver works

[steel escarp]

AutoEQ is only useful for getting the exact frequency you have peaks at. They shouldn't fully EQ minor things to Harman.

[warm scarab]

and additionally, we don't have a way of perfectly measuring frequency response

[sacred oak]

well does it have to be super good if you know the inherent flaws in a model of mic?

I mean I assume it's gonne be flawed, but better than nothing for a 10$ software plus use your home mic that isn't less than 40$

[lean grove]

It's not just having a good mic

[sacred oak]

also I am super noob so pay no attention to me.

lol

[warm scarab]

there are already examples that were done in like kilobuck measurement rigs like the autoeq project

[steel escarp]

There are already measurements available of most headphones tho. Using benchmark measurement rigs

[lean grove]

It's having a good mic and then properly simulating a head, ear, and inner ear canal

[warm scarab]

only thing you'd be accounting for is unit varience

[lean grove]

Even the state of the art $50k dummy head is still not perfect heavily flawed above 10khz

[steel escarp]

When will I be able to find a good dynamic headphone

[lean grove]

Have you heard of the 6xx

[steel escarp]

I heard the 600

Hd600 was not good

No clue about the 6xx

I don't think it will outperform my dt880

[warm scarab]

stop using the dt880

its lobotomizing you

i am a doctor in lobotomy

you should stop using it

[steel escarp]

You don't understand. On my amp it sounds amazing.

I did not like it on any other amp

I want to tube the dt880

[molten lotus]

Hd600 sounds correct
dt880 is bright as hell

there’s a good reason the hd600 is universally acclaimed

[unborn gale]

Here's the pair I am currently testing

[unborn gale]

What's your budget?

[steel escarp]

1500

[steel escarp]

Dt880 has 2 peaks. If you EQ them out it's not that bright it becomes very balanced.

[unborn gale]

huh

any other headphones that you've been looking at?

[steel escarp]

0 hints of brightness for me

[unborn gale]

other than just the DT880s and similarily budget headphones

[steel escarp]

Utopia 2 was okay ish

[unborn gale]

Since at the price they're fine

[steel escarp]

He1000v2 was decent

[unborn gale]

Pretty sure the He1000 is a planar

[steel escarp]

Yeah

I heard the ah-d5000 too. Any denon or fostex has treble issues

Didn't like any meze headphone

[unborn gale]

what was wrong with Meze?

warm?

[steel escarp]

Emp and elite have awful sound stage layering

109 was mid af for the price

[unborn gale]

huh

I seem to hear a lot of positive things from the 109

what about the Borealis or anything say from Kennerton?

[steel escarp]

I put it on my head. After 10 seconds I was just not impressed.

Didn't want to hear more of the 109 after that

[unborn gale]

aight just checked the price for the 109 and damn

[steel escarp]

I am not buying into a reddit meme.

[unborn gale]

wtf

[steel escarp]

109 should cost 400

For its sound

[unborn gale]

I'm guessing you're more of paying for the aesthetics of the 109 than anything

since it does look quite nice

[unborn gale]

which one

[steel escarp]

Borealis

[unborn gale]

why not?

[steel escarp]

It's a shill

[lean grove]

Is it

[steel escarp]

Even guys in the hphq server said it has flaws

[unborn gale]

that entire server is flawed

lmao

[lean grove]

Name a headphone without flaws

[unique wind]

$900 for this is hilarious

[steel escarp]

That entire server shills borealis

[unique wind]

spaghetti treble

[unborn gale]

I want to disagree but I am kinda using just that, a design similar to the borealis

same driver, very open and all that

[steel escarp]

I saw those on reddit today

[unborn gale]

but of course not gonna sell for as much as the Borealis

[unique wind]

razer kraken v3

[unborn gale]

interested in a pair?

you'd be paying about a quarter of the price of the Borealis

should sound the same

[steel escarp]

If I see good measurements of them

[unborn gale]

this

[unique wind]

still waiting on squiggles for arya organic

hoping to god it’s more like he1000v1 instead of the latest he1000

[unborn gale]

keep in mind I don't have $50k so I'm just using the miniDSP Ears

[steel escarp]

What is it compensated with

The graph

[unborn gale]

no compensation

I'll PM you the file

[steel escarp]

I don't have rew installed

Don't bother

[unborn gale]

oof

[steel escarp]

The ears are not accurate in the slightest. Only good for level matching.

You seem to have a resonance at 5k

[unborn gale]

that's just the ears

it's there for literally everything

[steel escarp]

Most dynamics have it there

It's not just the ears

[unborn gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel escarp]

OK fine send the mdat file

[unborn gale]

I kinda just immediately sent the file lol

took a long time because my wifi is trash

[steel escarp]

I didn't get a dm request

Or any dm

Which size driver are you using?

50mm?

[unborn gale]

50mm Tympany drivers, same as the Borealis

they don't really need much tuning and kinda just work

which is actually a lot rarer than you'd expect for drivers

[boreal aurora]

L'Acoustics K3 strapped to your ears are the best Headphones out there, now get some KS28 alongside them and youll have a great ass time👍

[steel escarp]

sounds about right for a 50mm driver

[boreal aurora]

Probably still gonna be cheaper than the Headphones Linus tried in his Video lmao

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbulla-eating-hasbulla-side-eye-guy-eating-eating-side-eye-gif-26949641

[unborn gale]

just compared the measurements with my 50mm nearfield

seems have a more bass?

more discernable picture

[steel escarp]

how is your 1-3k area so bad

[unborn gale]

what do you mean by bad

most likely because there's no filter

[steel escarp]

its recessed

[unborn gale]

like those paper filters on every other headphone

[steel escarp]

you mean the baffle?

[unborn gale]

could just be the ears ¯_(ツ)_/¯

yeah

I mean, I'm not trying to make high end headphones. They're not meant to compete with $500+ stuff

I'm trying to make stuff that actually comfortable.

[steel escarp]

how do you even have any bass at all

a baffle is mandatory to equalise the pressure

[unborn gale]

The difference in sound quality didn't seem to make that big of a difference?

[unborn gale]

what

are you talking about closed back headphones?

[steel escarp]

no

it helps isolate the sound in front from behind the driver

since it can interfere

[unborn gale]

how would that even work?

since my headphones are entirely open?

???

[steel escarp]

your driver would likely perform better if the side on your ear is completely sealed from the outside

some headphone drivers straight up don't like it when they are not in a sealed enclosure

[unborn gale]

isn't this what earpads are for?

[steel escarp]

it should put less strain on the driver when enclosed on one side

you said you didn't have a baffle, right?

[steel escarp]

what am I seeing here

is this from the pads?

in front of the driver

[unborn gale]

yes

but you say "some drivers". At least for the drivers I'm using, I don't see a problem

[steel escarp]

I am having a hard time finding any designs that don't use a baffle

[unborn gale]

They typically just have a grill and/or have the earpads having just a cover

as in, most don't have a baffle, if it does, if it seems like it does then it's most likely just a cloth cover that's part of the earpads and doesn't not affect sound in any way

[steel escarp]

have you measured how it changes in terms of tonality

[unborn gale]

putting too much just screws over everything

[steel escarp]

711 clone and pinna clone

• 3d printed plate
  would be a good reliable measurement rig

[unborn gale]

I'm selling these basically prototypes in order get enough money to get better equipment

[steel escarp]

I see

what do you do with prints you dont end up using

genuene question

[unborn gale]

try to sell them

[steel escarp]

cant you recycle them

[unborn gale]

not worth the cost

there are a bunch of videos showing how to do it and they all say it's just not worth it unless you have a larger print farm or something

[steel escarp]

do you buy recycled filament ?

[unborn gale]

Don't think that's a thing?

[steel escarp]

it should be

so when prototyping do you just print one ear first?

[unborn gale]

No

I print both sides

I usually make multiple just to get the tolerances and whatnot correct

[steel escarp]

does 3d printing produce toxic fumes?

[unborn gale]

Depends on the material

Are you going to try doing it yourself?

[steel escarp]

I have been considering it

[unborn gale]

And do you know how to do modeling?

[steel escarp]

I have been tuning closed back denons for a while

I have no idea how to model. I am a programmer for a living. I'll probably figure it out.

[unborn gale]

Good luck making something good

You'll find that making the earcups is the least of your worries

unless you're going to just buy a premade headband

I design just about every single part for the headphones

[steel escarp]

3d printing a headband sounds bothersome

for prototyping it wouldn't make sense

[unborn gale]

My headband is entirely 3D printed

[steel escarp]

I'd want to figure out which change affects which areas of the frequency response

finding a good driver is probably 90% of the work

[unborn gale]

I made my headphones modular

if you want to test stuff like that, interested in a pair?

I don't use any glue

[steel escarp]

I don't have the money for a 3d printer yet

its gonna be a while

[unborn gale]

could get ahead and test out drivers

[steel escarp]

I have a problem of buying new headphones every few months

[unborn gale]

just gotta do a little bit of soldering

[steel escarp]

modded my dt880 to be detachable

the fiio ft3 is getting sent back

just put on the xs and airiness is back that the ft3 completely lacks

yeaaa its getting packed up and sent back

[tepid torrent]

Why would you ever buy an FT3

FiiO doesnt make good shit Grey

[steel escarp]

I couldn't be bothered to demo it at a store

[tepid torrent]

Edition XS smashes it

[tepid torrent]

Lazyass

[steel escarp]

nearest store is a 45m drive away

[tepid torrent]

You would rather buy a whole headphone than drive 45m

That shits dumb

[warm scarab]

you could have tried other headphones while at it too

[tepid torrent]

Exactly

[steel escarp]

the store had shipping issues with fiio

[tepid torrent]

[steel escarp]

tbh at home evaluation is better

you get a couple of days with it

[warm scarab]

did you stop using dt880 yet

[steel escarp]

I am wearing it rn

better vocals than edition xs

[lean grove]

On paper the only downside looks like they're too expensive.

[warm scarab]

grey

[tepid torrent]

Which is an issue

[warm scarab]

you need to stop bro

[steel escarp]

why

[warm scarab]

your brain

its dying

[tepid torrent]

Who wants to spend more on a headphone

[steel escarp]

the 1200 euro amp makes dt880 sound good

[warm scarab]

you don't trust me

but it will be your downfall

instead of listening to d880

you should not be listening to dt880

[steel escarp]

why

what is wrong with dt880

[warm scarab]

it isnt good for you

[tepid torrent]

Stoopy poopy

[steel escarp]

it has good bass (after removing midbass via eq), good midrange and good treble (after removing peaks via eq)

[warm scarab]

yeah but it isn't good for you

[steel escarp]

why

[warm scarab]

it doesn't do you well

[steel escarp]

itrs 10x better than listening to my denon ah-d5000

[lean grove]

8 minutes of listening to a dt880 is the equivalent of smoking an entire pack of cigarettes

[tepid torrent]

DT880 gives people lung cancer grey

Its true

[steel escarp]

I EQed out the peaks

[lean grove]

0.8 minutes of listening to a Denon ah-d5000 is the equivalent of smoking an entire pack of cigarettes

[tepid torrent]

My friend bob had that happen to him

[steel escarp]

I checked 10x with a sine sweep

[lean grove]

Oh is that what happened to Bob

[steel escarp]

oh yeah it gives me actual ear pain

[lean grove]

I haven't seen him in a while is he okay

[steel escarp]

like I get a headache for 30 minutes straight after using d5000 for 30 seconds

after putting a lot of wool behind the driver its endurable

• 2 ply toilet paper in front of the driver and its decent

[unique wind]

grey be like guys it sounds good i just have to eq out the nauseating midbass and headache inducing treble peaks

[tepid torrent]

Bob is in palliative care

[tepid torrent]

Bro what

[steel escarp]

the treble is too much without it

[tepid torrent]

You know instead of doing that you could be using the edition xs you already have

[lean grove]

I'll pray for him 🙏

[steel escarp]

edition xs midrange is leaving me dead

[tepid torrent]

HD600

[steel escarp]

I tried hd600

[tepid torrent]

If you say no stage I will kill you

[steel escarp]

okay I wont say it

[tepid torrent]

Thats what I thought

Headfone dont stage anyway

[tepid torrent]

Not real stage

[steel escarp]

on the ican pro thing

it was ass

[tepid torrent]

If you care about stage there are speakers

[steel escarp]

moondrop kato is 10x better than hd600

it sounded so plasticy (the hd600)

I'd probably rather use hd650

[tepid torrent]

Bro said hd600 sounds more plasticy than kato

[steel escarp]

no

I said it the other way around

[tepid torrent]

Mb

Grey go see a doctor for your hearing

[steel escarp]

I did

it was perfectly fine

[tepid torrent]

My condolences

[steel escarp]

above average

[tepid torrent]

HD600 more plasticy 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[steel escarp]

hd600 no stage. no detail. uninteresting

[tepid torrent]

SG type beat

[unique wind]

audiophiles when a headphone is tuned correctly and exposes how boring the music that they listen to is

[steel escarp]

xs beats the hd600's ass

[tepid torrent]

[steel escarp]

heli do you own a dt880

[unique wind]

xs is the copest headphone ever

it is quite literally just an ananda stealth with a shitty headband

[steel escarp]

its the superior headband

[steel escarp]

and calmer treble

[tepid torrent]

No because im not a treblehead

[steel escarp]

its just 2 peaking filters you have to apply

[tepid torrent]

Youre also an idiot

Respectfully

[steel escarp]

I cant listen to it without them

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issue-skill-issue-dented-head-head-issue-gif-26395140

[unique wind]

meanwhile at hifiman hq

guys we aren’t selling enough anandas what do we do

[tepid torrent]

How coneshaped does your head have to be to prefer dt880 headband over suspension strap

[unique wind]

some guy in the corner: put a he400se headband on it and drop the price a hundred

audiophile community: OH MY GOD I LOVE IT

[tepid torrent]

Its a solid headphone

Its not like ananda

Headband is horribad

[steel escarp]

I see no issue after EQing out the treble peaks

[tepid torrent]

[unique wind]

horrid

[tepid torrent]

Im saving up for some speakers, no time for lofi ass headphones

[unique wind]

reasonable

[steel escarp]

I owned speakers

sold them

like a 1k speaker system with sub and I had a dsp mic

[unique wind]

headphones are objectively lower fidelity than iems but the presentation they provide is fun

[tepid torrent]

Grey keeps admitting how lofi they are

Lofi after lofi

[steel escarp]

speakers are as good as the room they are in

my room is shit

[tepid torrent]

What if your speakers just sucked grey

Ever considered that

[unique wind]

headphone users wanking over stage with no basis for what provides it

[steel escarp]

I tried them in the living room

[tepid torrent]

Price !=good

[steel escarp]

they sounded better than any headphone I heard

[unique wind]

speaker enthusiasts feeling the singers voice over their entire body

[steel escarp]

in my 2x3 meter room they were not okay

[tepid torrent]

Small room issue

[steel escarp]

it was a tough pill to swallow after getting myself a decent pair of speakers

[unique wind]

ported speakers are budget cope

just give me an incredibly well built sealed speaker that’s inefficient i don’t mind

[steel escarp]

honestly

maybe arya organic is the move

[unique wind]

we don’t even have squiggles yet man

[steel escarp]

waiting for measurements

its the best arya so far

not wider than the v1 in stage, but overall its the best revision

[unique wind]

how can we know this without squiggles

[steel escarp]

I have an indian friend who got hands on with them

[unique wind]

do his hands have measurement mics built in

[steel escarp]

his head comes with 2 build in

he owns arya v1

and he1000v1

[lean grove]

Tell him to buy you kaldas

[steel escarp]

kaldas?

nothing can stop me from blasting EQed dt880

okay my ears got tired

back to xs

[unique wind]

grey be happy with an audio product challenge

[molten lotus]

impossible

audio is a money pit designed by the elite

[unique wind]

all the good stuff is cheap tho

[molten lotus]

erm! I will continue my hunt for Vision Ears EXTs

[tacit rock]

Heyo, I have a quick question. Due to space reasons, I might need to convert all my 320kbps files to 256kbps, is there any maths that can help me understand how much space I'll save knowing the total time/size of 320 files?

I just want to know if it's worth it since it's 4000+ files

[molten lotus]

honestly you could just do it through itunes, should be relatively quick

[tacit rock]

iTunes never worked for me, I'm using MusicBee atm and an external converter

I'm interested in the math behind it

[molten lotus]

https://www.audiomountain.com/tech/audio-file-size.html

[tacit rock]

Do I just do 320 * total seconds and then 256 * total seconds and subtract?

[molten lotus]

it's not perfect but it'll give you a good idea

[tacit rock]

Yeah that'll work, thx

[molten lotus]

theoretically it should be linear, but reality is never that easy

[tacit rock]

Np I just need an approximation

[vale dirge]

Just used my Audeze Maxwells for Spotify and compared it to the AirPods Max and Bose QC 35 II I have. Damn, while the APM are marginally better, the Maxwells outshine my Bose QC headphones in music quality. Didn’t know a gaming headset could produce such crisp sound quality because most of the other one’s I’ve used are crap

[molten lotus]

to be fair, it's audeze and planar magnetics

[warm scarab]

musicbee should have an internal converter

[verbal fog]

today i fixed an audio thing

it sounds cool

[vital wigeon]

currently have Razer Kraken headphones, whats a good upgrade? im looking at Sennheiser HD599 but have a bit more budget to spend, looking around 100-150$

[lean grove]

See if you can get a pc37x, a pc38x or a hd560s on sale.

[vital wigeon]

i use audio technica at my bands home studio, im not a fan

[warm scarab]

599 is pretty bad

[warm scarab]

audio technicha?

[vital wigeon]

yea

[warm scarab]

all of the headphones nils mentioned are sennheiser

[vital wigeon]

idk where i got audio technica from then

but yea i want to avoid "gaming" headsets

[warm scarab]

pc37x and pc38x are pretty decent for gaming headsets

pc38x can compete with studio headphones

pc37x not so much but it has a mic if you need it

[vital wigeon]

yea thats the style i want to avoid

i dont want the mic

[warm scarab]

hd560s it is then

pretty good all rounder

[vital wigeon]

they dont come in ivory ;-;

like the 599 lol

[warm scarab]

you wont find any that does except 599

and 599 is very bad

well not unlistenable but

a notable step down

[vital wigeon]

they cant be worse than my razer krakens

[warm scarab]

they aren't

if that is what you are competing with anyways

[vital wigeon]

i have krakens rn

[warm scarab]

you could have hd560s tomorrow

its unrational but do as you'd like

[vital wigeon]

im just trying to get an idea rn

what about outside of sennheiser

[warm scarab]

he400se if you are very into layering and clarity at the cost of bass level

i like it but not for everyone

[vital wigeon]

yea imma pass on those

[warm scarab]

why lol

[vital wigeon]

round cups bother my ears

[warm scarab]

mate

those cups are half of the size of your head

oval cups are still better but if you are comparing it to the sennheisers which are not very big ovals then they are very well comparable

[vital wigeon]

ah

yea im def sticking to ovals

[warm scarab]

that wasn't what I was trying to say

unless you are going for hifiman egg shaped earpads which are huge, the huge size of the round earpads of he400se can make the overall shape of earpads negligible

https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifinext.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F03%2FHiFiMan-HE400se__.jpeg&sp=1690600311T8cb022590f23bcf2903a0e5e6506cf9dc270971ed3c48ff1e375daa23f6aedc5

those earpads are very big

they are nothing like the kraken

[vital wigeon]

ok now those are way too big lol

[warm scarab]

nah

https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbtechreviews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F04%2FHiFiMAN-Arya-Graabein-1-scaled-1.jpg&sp=1690600420T1ee8ce531c173832ae6ddf4e23e06b4f27bdc29d0ebd0f3404f2f60917aa56ca

hifiman egg pads

[vital wigeon]

lmao

how are bowers and wilkin

[warm scarab]

speakers? good vintages but overpriced

headphones? awful

[vital wigeon]

noted

are the 599s better than the krakens?

[warm scarab]

yes

easily

[vital wigeon]

noted

bc im a sucker for white/off white

literally my whole setup is white

hence why i wanted the 599

[warm scarab]

however you'd like

i already told you how it compares to other options

I don't know any white ish colored headphones anyways

except 400se which is silver ish

[unborn gale]

Isn't he400se built like garbage?

Basically falls apart within a year and also not so comfortable?

[vital wigeon]

so just like the krakens lol

[unborn gale]

Would you be interested in something 3D printed?

[vital wigeon]

i have a printer and a fresh roll of 30% walnut PLA

[unborn gale]

Guaranteed to be more comfortable than just about everything else at $150

I uh have a lot of designs and stuff

I personally used the 598s and the sound literally gave me a headache. Otherwise pretty comfy. Dunno about 599

[vital wigeon]

dang

[unborn gale]

Pretty sure the Hifimans would require an amp too

So they'd just be out of your price range in the end

[vital wigeon]

im gonna go with the senheiser 599s tbh

[unborn gale]

So you don't have any other alternatives?

I think the Thieaudio Ghost is pretty competent? At least from reviews.

[warm scarab]

no?

comfort is subjective, you can't globally comment on that

but it wont fall apart on its own

[unborn gale]

Idk I've just seen some posts on that. Could just be QC

[warm scarab]

if it fails in the first 1 week then yeah

after that the period of potential driver failure passes

[steel bear]

Bit of a random question, but does anyone know where I'd go to get replacement ear pads for a set of HyperX Cloud II's? Used mine so much that the thin leather-like bit on 'em is coming off

[winter narwhal]

Is upgrading to the wf-1000xm5 from the wf-1000xm4 a good choice? Should I just stick with my xm4s?

[warm scarab]

they would definitely benefit

[unborn gale]

It's the headband, not the driver

[warm scarab]

very different headphones

[warm scarab]

flimsier compared to senns, shouldn't break down on it's own though

[warm scarab]

stick with the xm4

[winter narwhal]

oh thank you!

[unborn gale]

Amazon or Aliexpress

You could possibly ask HyperX themselves for replacement earpads

[steel bear]

Might try aliexpress then, I only really see third-party ones on Amazon tbh, but I can also do some research into some of those brands, see if their products are good

and true, I can also try asking hyperx themselves

[unborn gale]

The third party ones on Amazon more or less come from AliExpress. Or the same suppliers as AliExpress

AliExpress is just cheaper but ships from China.

[steel bear]

ah ok, makes sense

[west crypt]

i’m getting the hd560s but i need a dac in my country we only have the eu apple adapter should i get it?

[unborn gale]

fiio, schiit, and just about every other brand doesn't exist in your country?

[rain sphinx]

Common Hifiman QC issues

[teal fern]

Hey gd Morning

1. 3.5mm audio splitter recommendations?

2. Is it possible to route audio to go to a type c dongle and the 3.5mm ports simulataneously?

[spring gazelle]

Ayo since ive "rebuilt" my pc, i hear electric crackling sounds...

1. is this dangerous to the headphones?
2. how can i fix this?

[warm scarab]

it's fine

not a demanding headphone

[median yarrow]

What’d be a good upgrade for DT 770 pros? I like closed backs

Looking for smt that’s mainly for gaming and music

using SCHITT magni amp

[white rampart]

hey what's are some good xlr mic products?

[buoyant vale]

Neuman u87

[molten lotus]

I gave my hd560s to my fiance's brother and he uses them from his phone lol, they're pretty easy to drive

[unique wind]

extremely easy

[warm scarab]

what of closed backs do you like

[unique wind]

he likes that they are closed back

[warm scarab]

you need to open up a bit more @median yarrow

[spring gazelle]

Bro i got the hd600s, bro i thought theyd be better ngl

Im close to buying some cheap headphones with similar earmuffs to sgh3

[woeful olive]

anyone got an opinion on the akg k52s?

[lean grove]

🤮

[woeful olive]

lol

how come

[lean grove]

they dont look like they were intentionally designed

like to me this just looks like they put some drivers in a headphone chassis and called it a day

[woeful olive]

holy shit

what happened

how is that even possible

[lean grove]

its possible if you give zero shits about how a headphone sounds and you just send it to market

[woeful olive]

ive seen cheap chinese stuff with better fr graphs

nvm then

moving on..

[molten lotus]

what in the kentucky fried fuck

it's like they took all the most important parts of a song and said "get rid of it"

[spring gazelle]

Anyone know headphones that are better than SGH3 headset, but have the same earmuffs (big, circular, soft) while being under like 100€?

[unique wind]

you already have very good headphones if you got hd600

[steel escarp]

how do I stop buying cope tier headphones

I thought the ft3 was gonna be good for osu

[lean grove]

you just gott aknowledge that headphones are bad

[steel escarp]

I will aknowledge it

tbh I should demo at the store first

my violectric amp was taking off a bit of the airiness

its known to be a bit on the darker side

tried it on the zen can and it was better, still not good.

[molten lotus]

graphs only tell so much

grado's graphs look like dogshit, but I love them

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

very bad

[woeful olive]

oh we gathered lmao

[warm scarab]

if hd600 is not your alley try hd560s

I personally dislike hd600 as well

people who use hd600 generally tend to have good amp/dacs too

[molten lotus]

I run some 600s out of a schitt stack and they're great for accuracy
Usually I use IEMs or grado 80Xs though because it's more fun

[warm scarab]

schiit stack is still definitely a step up

magni 3+ is a pretty decent amp

modi is trash tho

[molten lotus]

oh yeah it's not bad at all

[vocal sluice]

Anyone recommend a good pair of wired earbuds with good quality for calls? good bass?

[warm scarab]

budget?

[unique wind]

schizo

[warm scarab]

blind test a modi from your motherboard audio and give me your success rate please

[unique wind]

dacs are not supposed to sound different if they do that’s a design flaw klaus

[warm scarab]

presuming that is true

it is still shit

[unique wind]

modi measures well, has good io, and comes in a decent little metal case

[warm scarab]

because you can't tell it apart from your motherboard

so you are paying 100$ for an item that does nothing

[unique wind]

welcome to the audiophile realm

you buy better dacs because they’re pretty and have more io options

[warm scarab]

even within your own parameters modi is dogshit

why are you so set on defending it

[warm scarab]

no that is only you who has heard two dacs in his entire lifetime

[molten lotus]

my only complaint is both the magni and modi get hot as fuck

[unique wind]

yeah they use the case as a heatsink

[warm scarab]

its magni heating the modi

modi doesnt get hot at all

[warm scarab]

this would make sense only in the context that we receive audio signal in a perfect form

we don't

and it still wouldn't make sense because there are tube amplifiers with obvious flawed sounds on purpose

we listen to music we don't operate sonars

what sounds good sounds good

[unique wind]

most hybrid tube amps measure wayyy beyond human audibility too

but if you wanna sit in your dimly lit basement and play with dacs with obvious design flaws and pure tube amps and expensive cables go for it

[warm scarab]

you aren't supposed to buy tube amps that sound identical

if they do sound identical then you buy the cheapest

simple as

why do you think everyone is making diy tube kits instead of buying kilobuck ones

[unique wind]

imagine promoting spending more money to have an objectively worse product because you find it fun or something

[warm scarab]

even when they have already invested thousands into the hobby

[warm scarab]

yes

you literally have eat food capsule mindset

eat the bugs bro

they are good for you

[unique wind]

nah i love food culture

[warm scarab]

why

[unique wind]

we’re talking about power boxes

[warm scarab]

bro

bugs have more nutrition than the food you eat

stop eating the food

eat more bugs

[unique wind]

probably

[warm scarab]

you don't make sense

[unique wind]

bugs are super food

[warm scarab]

past 5$ bug packet you are not getting anything else

[molten lotus]

I just want to listen to music

[warm scarab]

you tell me you pay more for worse nutrition

because uhh

"better taste"

wtf*??

[unique wind]

yes something that is actually real

unlike psychoacoustics

[warm scarab]

oh you don't even believe dacs and amps can sound different

lmao

[unique wind]

show me proof they do that doesn’t involve “listen to it”

[warm scarab]

how can I lmao

[unique wind]

exactly

it’s not fucking real klaus

[warm scarab]

show me how chocolate and chicken tastes different

without asking me to eat either

[unique wind]

i can’t personally but you can actually research that yourself

taste is measurable

[warm scarab]

no

[buoyant vale]

[warm scarab]

those measuements are beyond your perception

as a human

[unique wind]

you can learn about food science if you want to man

[warm scarab]

you can't physically tell between chocolate and chicken

that is literally psychotasting bro

[unique wind]

except it isn’t

it’s all measurable

[warm scarab]

its an obvious design flaw if chocolate tastes different than bugs

while still not being as nutritious

[unique wind]

we as humans know the chemical makeups of foods and seasonings and how they interact with our bodies

whereas your dac pseudoscience has no basis

it’s not an apt comparison

[warm scarab]

they measure different for one

you just don't accept that they sound different

even if they use completely different pcm filters

which are objectively measured to have different impulse responses

the data you want also exists

[unique wind]

show me the impulse response of a cricket

[warm scarab]

you are just biased because you keep buying shitty measurement meme dacs from asr apologists

[unique wind]

what pcm filters does chocolate typically use

[warm scarab]

xl-gaussian filter

the measurements to everything you want exists

but you chose to be stupid and not learn anything from this

[unique wind]

yeah and they show that they don’t sound different to our ears

[molten lotus]

aren't there dozens of available graphs regarding DAC measurements

[warm scarab]

the sound graphs are literally different

[unique wind]

you can take different approaches to filtering and converting the signal to analog but it’s still imperceptible after a certain point

[warm scarab]

chocolate vs chicken graphs don't show they taste different either

[unique wind]

if there’s an audible difference something is horribly wrong

[warm scarab]

there is no proof you can taste the difference

[unique wind]

they do

[warm scarab]

all of this entails we still have perfect d/a conversion

which we don't

lmao

[unique wind]

we don’t need to

we achieved conversion beyond audibility a long time ago

audio is extremely simple klaus

[warm scarab]

fr fr

sources: motherboard, modi 3+, modius

[unique wind]

compared to other things like video anyway

we had audio figured out like 50 years ago

[warm scarab]

for speakers yeah

[molten lotus]

yeah I mean I just use a schitt stack and a questyle m15 and they absolutely sound different

[warm scarab]

for everything else? nah

[warm scarab]

its placebo bro

[unique wind]

you can’t judge this without doing a blind volume matched test

[warm scarab]

my dad blind tested my speaker amplifier and my umc22

[molten lotus]

I'll get right on that

[warm scarab]

he can't hear past 15khz

but could immediately tell the difference lmao

[unique wind]

hey that’s better than my dad

my dad has mechanic ears

dude has no treble extension

[warm scarab]

i made fun of him saying

dad your music setup is just like you

it doesn't respond to past 15khz

[unique wind]

i can’t hear up to 20k anymore but i still have like 19.3

[warm scarab]

anyhow

if you can hear up to 19.3k

[lean haven]

Anyone recognize these headphones?

[warm scarab]

and still do worse than a 60 year old man in a blind test

there are problems with your reception organs

[unique wind]

my ears are fantastic

as is my nose

my eyes suck though

[warm scarab]

something pretty shit probably

looks cheap through and through with worst senn pads ive seen

[west crypt]

i think we only have the k3

[lean haven]

cheers bigman very helpful

[unique wind]

in terms of visual acuity and being light sensitive

i’m very perceptive to display calibration

[warm scarab]

yet you can't hear what a 60 year old man can

curious

mayhaps these items sound different

but because you keep buying identical sounding ones

they don't??

[unique wind]

show me the harmonic distortion of a teriyaki flavored roasted cricket

[warm scarab]

you should

[molten lotus]

experience is also a factor

[warm scarab]

you are arguing thy sound the same man

[unique wind]

people probably think we hate eachother

i’m not gonna keep repeating the same thing over and over though

[warm scarab]

i literally have like 8 bombs in your house i would have killed you if i hated you

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/tsundere-anime-anime-tsundere-tsundere-anime-cute-gif-23727927

[unique wind]

reported to discord trust and safety team

[warm scarab]

notice my account creation date

[buoyant vale]

you should probably fire up anotther alt now

[unique wind]

[dim hedge]

Anybody have a fairly budget but good soundbar suggestion? Just something a bedroom projector setup

[plush hedge]

same

even with new glasses

[tepid torrent]

LTX 2023

[tender frost]

Wow lol

[subtle nest]

s I thought there realtek stereo drivers to get better sound than just Realtek Audio? or am i way off

[unborn gale]

people use realtek stereo drivers?

I've never touched it before

legit have no idea how it works either tbh

[warm scarab]

way off man

[subtle nest]

Any you do use you'd recommend

[unborn gale]

what do you use? Speakers or headphones?

[warm scarab]

we don't

if you want to make audio better through software use an equalizer like equalizer apo

playing around with drivers wont do anything

[steady ether]

Sennheiser HD400s good?

[tough lava]

Drivers don't do anything, more or less

[tepid torrent]

Thats a recoloured 560s so yea its decent

[steady ether]

its like $60

[unborn gale]

Bruh wut

Most Sennheisers look the same

[steel escarp]

lofi

[primal pagoda]

any headset recommendations?

[lean grove]

Audeze Maxwell

[primal pagoda]

@lean grove i shouldve specify less than a 100

[buoyant vale]

No its not

You are thinking of the hd400 pro

[warm scarab]

melon anomaly

[steel escarp]

about to commit a melony

[warm scarab]

Artifact: Melon
Date of recovery: 2012-July-Redacted
Found in: CNPP - Generators Symbiont Anomaly
Properties: Glows

[lean grove]

Taste: no survivors

[somber kestrel]

Anyone here have a50s that know how to increase the volume? My volume on my headset is at the max, my game/voice volume is on max game and I still can't hear fuck all in games?

[gray canyon]

What is a good but cheap surround sound system that I can use for just my living room?

[gray canyon]

Preferable 5.1 or 7.1

Please ping me if you have a response.

[warm scarab]

shouldn't

good surround is very expensive

if a budget item is what you want, surround will be atrocious

[lone dust]

Is there anyone who has experience with the geemarc lh10? Can I use it in combination with a Zoom H5 to record public talks that don't allow me to connect recording devices to there system? Assuming they do have an induction loop

[rotund shale]

anyone know of a good video that will help me use voicemeeter bananna

[quick hound]

What are like the best 50$ IEMs

Heard a lot of good things about KZ

But idk what to pick

[white gate]

Truthear Red

$55 but yeah, those are standout

[onyx iron]

Can I route a schiit fulla amp into my xlr interface so I can hear my mic but still get the amp benefits?

[exotic schooner]

Couldent help myself lol

[unique wind]

truthear red with the included 10ohm resistor are probably the best iems up to $450

they’re tuned to harman and can play so loud they’ll give you hearing damage without distortion

[tough lava]

I absolutely disagree.
New, cheap, "surround" stuff is garbage - no argument. But there's no need for surround to be expensive.

[warm scarab]

define expensive for yourself

[unique wind]

you can get 5.1 for pretty cheap if you get a used/refurb avr

or even new they’re only a couple hundred bucks

[warm scarab]

yeah

issue is

[unique wind]

probably wont have room calibration on the avr though

which blows

[warm scarab]

its not good

[tough lava]

My entire 5.1 setup inluding receiver was $600 to 1k

[warm scarab]

yes bob

[tough lava]

You said "very expensive"

[warm scarab]

600$ to the average consumer is what we define as expensive

[tough lava]

as I said - I agree that it isn't cheap, but very expensive is overdoing it by a significant margin

[warm scarab]

consumer market revolves around the 50-200$ price point

yours is triple that at the minimum

that is very expensive

[onyx iron]

I’d say “expensive” is 500+, and “very expensive” is like 2k+

[warm scarab]

for enthusiast standards yes

[tough lava]

note that's in AUD

[warm scarab]

400$

not very expensive

but still expensive

[tough lava]

Random selection of things from a box store.

[warm scarab]

yes

and they are pretty shit man

[tough lava]

yes

but you can see the prices vary from 250-600 for the standard stuff, and the 1700 one is clearly very expensive

[warm scarab]

for aud yeah

[tough lava]

and that is what people are going to be pricing for their living room

[warm scarab]

not really man

that's just like

the people around you

[tough lava]

no

that's literally what's available at the store

[warm scarab]

doesn't mean it isn't expensive to people

I can show you devialets at 5k which sound like garbage

does this mean average consumer budget is 5k

[tough lava]

except this is an average consumer store

[warm scarab]

okay and?

[tough lava]

with products aimed at ... average consumers

that's the market price of the segment

[warm scarab]

not really man

you make a higher price variant of everything

just less

[tough lava]

what?

[warm scarab]

whoever has more money buys it

it is basic marketing

you don't make shitty soundbars for 1k because it is worth 1k or performs anything like it or because the average consumer will buy it

you just make it because it is more profitable to aim at a group of people who are willing to throw away 1k without knowing their item

[tough lava]

I'm not talking about quality at all

[warm scarab]

it is clearly intended for people of higher income to buy

[tough lava]

... yes and I'm talking about the 3-500 segment which is CLEARLY the bulk of the market

[warm scarab]

idk chief

[onyx iron]

If you are broke, you have no business shopping for a sound system

[warm scarab]

it is around 1/4 of your average monthly income

that is pretty expensive

add rent and utilities to that and you are halfway there

[warm scarab]

okay and?

that isn't what we are arguing

[onyx iron]

Is a $500 car expensive? It’s .25 of an average monthly salary

[warm scarab]

cars start at that much

you don't have an option

with this you do

just bad ones

but yeah, 1/4 of your net salary is fucking expensive

[tough lava]

expensive is a qualitative metric that needs two reference points - how much money you have, relatively, and where a product is in its market

If you're poor, everything is expensive, and it has no meaning

[warm scarab]

average net monthly salary in australia seems to be around 2k

[peak yacht]

holy damn

is that pre tax

[warm scarab]

no

ofc fucking not

[peak yacht]

jesus LOL

[tough lava]

The median salary in Australia in 2023 is 6,650 AUD (USD 4,420) per month.

I don't know where the fuck you're getting 2k from

[warm scarab]

Average Weekly Earnings, Australia · Increased by 3.4% to $1,807.70 annually to November 2022. · For males were $2,091.20 (public), and $1,874.40 (private).

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions

your own government's website

oh shit

weekly

fuck me

[tough lava]

WEEKLY

[onyx iron]

[warm scarab]

anyhow

that is pre tax not net

[leaden cloak]

this is also audio tech

[peak yacht]

the conversation was so long lol

[tough lava]

anyway, stating that "good surround" is "very expensive" is ridiculous IMHO.

because you're making two value judgements - one about what's good, and another about how poor they are.

[onyx iron]

Yes, but “good” can mean a wildly large range

[warm scarab]

and your argument is posting higher priced consumer items for the sake of argument

[tough lava]

.. higher priced?\

[warm scarab]

i have a feeling if we compare purchases of 200$ shitty soundbars and 1700$ ones, the prior is more purchased

[tough lava]

My point was the vast majority of consumer soundbars are 3-500

[leaden cloak]

i didnt know you could get surround for $600. very expansive for me is the upper thousands. $600 is pretty good

[leaden cloak]

thats not too far off from proper surround pricing used based off your finds

[tough lava]

exactly. I wouldn't exactly call it CHEAP cheap, but certainly affordable within what you would expect

[onyx iron]

Yeah

[leaden cloak]

i think even normal consumers will agree that price isnt very expensive. its expensive for sure

[tough lava]

especially given the context was living room. People TYPICALLY would spend less for a computer setup.

[leaden cloak]

for the whole setup?

or just the pc?

[tough lava]

No, for audio

[leaden cloak]

oh for audio

that i agree with

[onyx iron]

Can I route a schiit fulla amp into my xlr interface so I can hear my mic but still get the amp benefits?

[tough lava]

I ... don't think so

[leaden cloak]

you might have to get a splitter because based off this it only has one output

other than that i dont think so

[tough lava]

what XLR interface anyway

[onyx iron]

Scarlett solo 3rd gen

[tough lava]

Wait you want to route the OUTPUT of your XLR interface through the fulla?

[leaden cloak]

no i think he wants to do the other way around

[tough lava]

The problem is that you have a DAC/AMP, and what you want is just an amp.

[onyx iron]

Well, I don’t have the Dac/amp yet, but planning on it

[tough lava]

ok, that's good.

What are you driving with the amp?

[onyx iron]

Yeah, I want to be able to hear my mic output with the “live listen” thing while also using the ampdac

[leaden cloak]

The fulla is a amp dac combo with a mic input. They want to route the mic into the interface

[tough lava]

how would that help though, that doesn't do anything

[leaden cloak]

They wanna be able to listen to their own mic

Which actually now that I think about it, it can be done with Voicemeter

[tough lava]

yes, in which case you need to route both the headphones AND the mic through the scarlett interface

[peak yacht]

would the amp improve the mic in?

[leaden cloak]

Right yeah

[tough lava]

[x] Doubt

[onyx iron]

No, it’s xlr

[warm scarab]

got that recently or?

[tough lava]

ok, so the mic is entirely seperately

[peak yacht]

you just want to monitor your own mic

through your dac amp

[warm scarab]

if you can returning the solo 3 is a really good idea

[onyx iron]

Like a month

[peak yacht]

i’m sure there’s software for that

[warm scarab]

rip

[tough lava]

You can also use voicemeeter or other tools to live listen - the latency will be increased, but it depends on how much.

[warm scarab]

voicemeeter isn't good if you plan on doing instrument stuff

[tough lava]

why?

[warm scarab]

delay can throw you off

more than you'd expect

[onyx iron]

Digital listen back doesn’t work for me (latency is just a bit much), and I just want the direct listen back that my interface has.

[tough lava]

yeah which is why I said it depends 😛 - it CAN be low latency, but it depends on a bunch of thigns

[onyx iron]

Basically I want to route the headphone out on the interface into the dac amp

[tough lava]

if that's what you want, then you need an analog amp, not an AMP/DAC

[onyx iron]

So like the schiit magni+?

[peak yacht]

most dac amps have rca in no?

[tough lava]

voicemeeter is both excellent in that it Just Works, but also terrible in that it's horribly inflexible in many ways.

[leaden cloak]

That will work yeah

[leaden cloak]

The Fulla does not. It has an audio out (I think) and a usb c

[onyx iron]

Would doing this kinda negate some improvements of getting an amp/dac though?

[leaden cloak]

Think a BTR3K but without batteries or Bluetooth

[tough lava]

you are literally not using the DAC

[peak yacht]

it has a 3.5 in

just checked

[tough lava]

but is it mixed or exclusive?

[peak yacht]

rca out from interface to 3.5in on fulla

[leaden cloak]

I guess that could work but I think you would have to plug your mic into the interface anyways

[onyx iron]

It’s xlr, so yeah?

[leaden cloak]

In that case getting a magni would be better

[leaden cloak]

Oh, I thought you wanted to use the mic input on the Fulla

Why are you getting a Fulla then if you don’t have a 3.5mm mic?

[tough lava]

no, seperate XLR mic

[tough lava]

omg that's the entire thing 😛

[onyx iron]

No, just want the active listening from my interface while using a amp/dac

[leaden cloak]

Learning that they have an XLR I am questioning it more now

[leaden cloak]

Alright well your interface is already a dac and supports live listening so what you can do is get a magni and plug that into the Scarlet and now you have a live listening setup with a good amp and dac

[peak yacht]

i think you could just go in windows and set your dac amp to listen to your interface

[tough lava]

I am hacking the vban emitter code to add support for a fifo buffer to do text control so I can interface remotely with voicemeeter.
This said, the remote voicemeeter API allows write only management of per-application sound, which is terrible, so I need a way of making that work.

[onyx iron]

So the interface dac is comprable to a normal external one?

[tough lava]

that would be a terrible idea

[onyx iron]

Too much delay when I’ve tried similar things in the past

[tough lava]

linking them using ASIO? sure. windows 'listen'? no.

[leaden cloak]

It’s alright and if you already have it, yeah it will work

You save some money too by buying it

[onyx iron]

But would this be worse than just getting the fulla?

[tough lava]

no, how?

[leaden cloak]

It would be better actually

[onyx iron]

I’m wondering if the dac in my audio interface would be worse than the one in the fulla

[leaden cloak]

I think they are on par

The amp is better though supposedly

[peak yacht]

you can look up the dac chips in either and compare

[warm scarab]

you can't really calculate how a dac chip works in your head so not a very useful thing to do apart from comparing very obvious differences like thd measurements

[leaden cloak]

Audio isn’t like computers. You gotta hear it to believe it

[lean grove]

And then learn nothing because that's not how dacs work.

[molten lotus]

anyone got any recos for a cheap (sub $100) but loud and decent sounding bluetooth speaker

mainly just gotta not sound like shit and be loud

ive got a speaker thats good for sound alr but its not that loud

[peak yacht]

it’s the most quantifiable measurement i never said it was the only thing to go off of

and tbh after the second guy piled on i got the message 💀💀💀

[tough lava]

It sort of works!

[leaden cloak]

thats pretty cool

neat that the mixer shows the song and has playback controls

[leaden cloak]

You appear to missing an audio driver

[tough lava]

yeah - and it is integrated to spotify, not to the PC, so it could be playing from elsewhere

[leaden cloak]

oh wow

you put spotify connect on your mixer?

[tough lava]

well, in my surface presser integration platform, yes

nothing that a hideously overcomplicated message router can't fix 😄

I'm currently hacking vban_emitter to add a fifo for commands so I can integrate remote VBAN into the mixer as well.

[warm scarab]

if it is something that works with midi signals you can use ahk to use it system wide

[tough lava]

you can integrated it with a lot of things - The MIDI in it currently is only used between the controller and the linker, which hooks in pipewire, spotify, home assistant, and soon vban.

I'm going to get it working enough for me in this guise, and the next step is to make a web based configurator which will allow you to easily setup both control and audio routing. Then add effects and some other advanced features

The primary limitation with vban is that it doesn't give you per-app control over the api (I mean, it does, but it's write only, which is not super useful)

likely I'll do something with vban text to a process in windows, since I'm already integrating voicemeeter

that way you can manage per-app audio entirely remotely - You don't even have to have the sound going into the management console.

AHK is fine for a one off thing, but it's super jank if you want to actually integrate stuff.

[warm scarab]

not really man

like what do you define jank as

it is the program that is closest to OS levels at operating in terms of macros

[tough lava]

yeah, none of this is macros.

[warm scarab]

its fairly simple

take midi and execute scripts for it

I don't understand how this works any worse

[tough lava]

hahaha

and that gives you bidirectional midi?

in a timely fashion?

that is robust and configurable?