audio-tech

[haughty girder]

also t669 is very sensitive + kinda noisy

[molten lotus]

and what is yeti good at man

[haughty girder]

but it's half the price

[haughty girder]

at 50 bucks or less, the best multiuse mic when there's more than 1 use case

Cause I'd argue you can get an atr2100x on sale that slaps around all the mics you mentioned earlier

[molten lotus]

at 50$

which it is never

for your exceptional use case and unrealistic budget at which you will probably never see a yeti for

it is a meaningless mic

[unique wind]

yooooo mama

[haughty girder]

Probably - so you're assuming things, again

A lav mic sucks the moment you get up

t669/k669 is much too sensitive to be a valid option whenever there's any background noise. Even PC fans

[molten lotus]

depends on the lav mic

[unique wind]

it calls to you @molten lotus

[haughty girder]

I don't have experience with mpm but siren mini is solid

[molten lotus]

lav mics are constantly used in tv

do you hear any clothes shifting when people are walking around

no

[haughty girder]

and those are wireless packed

[molten lotus]

they still have wires going to the pockets of the people

[haughty girder]

.

[molten lotus]

and I am saying that isn't always the case

[haughty girder]

unless you're getting a pgx system or smth

[molten lotus]

do you think people 10 years back had wireless packed lavs

no

they had wires running down to their pockets

[haughty girder]

2013? absolutely

[molten lotus]

I literally see people using it in talent shows today lmao

[haughty girder]

ok and?

[molten lotus]

and there is no microphonics

[haughty girder]

You're literally tethered to your desk.

[molten lotus]

so as with anything there is a variance to the quality of these things

[haughty girder]

that's the issue.

[molten lotus]

so are you when wearing headphones

what are you getting at

[unique wind]

yeah probably

wireless mics have existed since the 50s, not lavs, but yeah

[molten lotus]

they existed but they didn't use them

it wasn't as ironed out back then

and it wasn't as disposable as it is now

[haughty girder]

not necessarily, given prevalence of wireless headphones and such

[molten lotus]

nexgen argument be like >what if > what if > what if > what if > what if

[haughty girder]

what's not ironed out about FM...

[molten lotus]

what if you lived in a country where having a yeti had you killed nexgen

oh my god

what then

if you move goalposts 15 more times I'll apply for moderator in hphq in your regard

[haughty girder]

I haven't said a single what if?

[unique wind]

turns out ifi go pod does have quite a bit more power than utws5

[molten lotus]

you entailed it pretty well

[unique wind]

claimed 120mw at 32ohm, utws5 is 32?

[haughty girder]

Man you're pretty pissed because someone said yeti isn't that bad

pretty funny actually

then you go on and say mics that are worse... better?

[molten lotus]

no I am pissed because you keep on trying to shift a daily basis scenario to some cursed one in a ten thousand scenario where the yeti is the best that fits your bill

[haughty girder]

t669 could literally be an omnidirectional mic

And you call it better than yeti

[unique wind]

id rather use a 669 tbf

[molten lotus]

It does sound better yeah

[haughty girder]

sure lav mics are great but they're finicky

I have a few sets

[molten lotus]

that and it also doesn't need a 100$ arm to hold it

[haughty girder]

No clue mpm perhaps it's great

[molten lotus]

mpm1000 is pretty alright

its like c1u if it's components didn't suck

[haughty girder]

seiren mini is solid, one of my most recommended given it goes on sale regularly for very pretty cheap

and supercardioid actually works

Oh also elgato wave mics are pretty awesome

[molten lotus]

are they

[haughty girder]

yea

[molten lotus]

I remember one of them sounding decent

[unique wind]

everyone shall buy earthworks ethos

[haughty girder]

lewitt electret capsules with really good software

[molten lotus]

but I don't know of the lineup

what do you think of aston origin

[haughty girder]

wave 1 and 3, 1 is better for most people since it's basically the same as 3 with less physical features

Eh

[unique wind]

i dont like mics with boosted treble

[haughty girder]

it's ok, it costs what, 420?

[molten lotus]

yeah I know

I just wanted to make fun of it

[haughty girder]

It could be worse

[molten lotus]

It's like a behringer c1

if they made it worse

[unique wind]

i want an original cad e100

[haughty girder]

you can get the showerhead

[molten lotus]

hey louis i gave c1 bass roll off and gave it a trash can chasis give me 300$ nyehehehe

[unique wind]

discontinued in 2003 tho

wonder how much they go for used

[haughty girder]

oh sheeesh like 200

still 150 more than I'd pay for it but hey

blue ember is honestly underrated

Worker bee and king bee are all better than the origin

[molten lotus]

i want that u47 mic

reblog if you want a u47

[unique wind]

doesnt warm audio sell decent neumann ripoffs

[molten lotus]

yeah i just want it so i can sell it for 10000$ or something

cool mic tho

[haughty girder]

too expensive

tho wa47jr are shockingly solid, not counting the fact it's supposed to be a u47 knockoff

damn internet went down for a sec

[molten lotus]

ngl

u47 sounds pretty meh

lmao

i expected better for the infamy it has

[unique wind]

just give me a super cardioid condenser mic with extremely low self noise and industrial build

and a flat frequency response

presence boosts are cringe

[haughty girder]

wa47jr is literally cheaper and better for most people

[haughty girder]

it works for some mics actually, like the q9u

[molten lotus]

i like high boosts

around 2db

[unique wind]

id rather add it with eq myself

if i want it

(i dont)

[haughty girder]

q9u is garbage without it

(it's a switch)

[molten lotus]

we should hold a making a mic out of garbage contest

[haughty girder]

Ez

Actually really easy

[molten lotus]

it is easy

but I don't know how to make a good mic out of trash

[haughty girder]

might need like 80db of gain

[unique wind]

i have 100db of gain i can use

i can make a sm57 pick up my voice outside my house

[haughty girder]

it's almost impossible for most people by hand

[unique wind]

(im on the second story)

[molten lotus]

is it really

bit difficult to believe

[haughty girder]

tho you might be able to rig up a sewing machine spooler to put a coil on a tube ..

[haughty girder]

To make it good? yea

to make a mic that works is a different question

[molten lotus]

lets define good first of all

[haughty girder]

that's easy

you can hear what the person is saying clearly

You just need a core attached to a diaphragm suspended in some copper coils

oh and the diaphragm needs to be mounted in a way that the cup won't flex but it can move straight up and down

and the core isn't scraping against the coils that may be separated by a tube of paper

And because we can't make it small enough by hand, thus comes the need for a ton of gain

pump ac into the thing, it's a speaker

[molten lotus]

reasonable

I don't know the science much apart from doing the obvious and hitting random shit with gain

[haughty girder]

It's pretty simple actually

pass electricity through a coil, it generates a magnetic field

pass a magnet through a coil, lenz's law means that a magnetic field would be generated to oppose the magnet's motion in the coils, thus creating a current

you can create an AC current by using a magnet, a tube for the magnet, and a coil. add a rectifier and you got a DC current by shaking a tube with a magnet through the coil, some "emergency" flashlights have a backup power source that uses this principle

[solar plover]

right, so does anyone have a JBL bar 3.1 here? It goes into power saver mode when it goes silent like basically going into standby, its kinda annoying since it then takes like a second to get back up to normal again when there's a prolonged like 3 or so secs of silence

[rugged inlet]

which ones for 50 bucks? actually, i want to use them with my android tv.

aren't these the ones with the exposed nickel plated charging contacts which can cause really bad issues with some people's ears?

[spice fjord]

What’s a good pair of speakers for my desktop under 100$

Or near 100

[lean grove]

edifier 1280

[unique tangle]

Need some clarification for the Apollo Twin MKII

So, I came into the possession of a older Apollo Twin MKII a while ago, and I have recently been leaning into getting into a XLR mic. I remembered I had the Apollo and thought “oh sick this saves me money on a interface.” I was wrong(I think). I have a AMD windows pc using the 7700X on a MSI Pro 670p Wifi, and before I buy or do anything I want to have a couple things cleared up because of my lack of knowledge.

-Can I use a Thunderbolt to USB-C for the connection to my pc

-Is the Apollo even able to work with an AMD cpu? I’ve heard a couple things of it not being supported

-Can I use it for a XLR mic like a Elgato DX?

-What solutions do I have to connect it to my computer?

[haughty girder]

older? Mkii is 2021 - Not really old.
No it won't work with your PC, unless you have TB3 on one of the very few motherboards that support it.
Yes it'll work for XLR mic
I'd recommend you to sell the thing, and buy something like an arturia minifuse 1

it's still worth quite a bit, so flip it and get a nice cheaper interface and pocket the rest

or if you'd like, a nicer USB interface like the Volt 176/276 (from the same brand, UAD), would work too

[unique tangle]

older than 2021 i think, it has TB 1 or 2 instead of 3/4

yea i was thinkin of flippin it

$580~ average selling price rn

i gotta really check which one i have though n see how much i can make

im planning on getting a wave DX set up

[haughty girder]

you sure it's a mkii?

[unique tangle]

it looks exactly like it

but im out rn ill have to check again when im back

[haughty girder]

the mk x and mk ii look very similar

oh wait

[unique tangle]

ill have to look very closely but they both sell same and or similar pricing

[haughty girder]

mk x is the newer one, ii uses tb2 and x uses tb3

[unique tangle]

o nvm

then i have mkii

[haughty girder]

forgot oop yea

[unique tangle]

$600

[haughty girder]

yea that sounds abt right for used one

[unique tangle]

got it from my cousin

i got some other uad hardware for music producers

[haughty girder]

As long as it works, you could flip it for quite a bit

[unique tangle]

something called á satellite

idk what it does

never got too into music production

[haughty girder]

Oh

that thing is equivalent to a graphics card for Audio work

basically it's a dedicated effects processor

also requires thunderbolt

[unique tangle]

dayum

wonder how much i could sell both for

[haughty girder]

depends which satellite you've got

[unique tangle]

uhhhh gotta check that one def

@haughty girder uad-2

[unique tangle]

any recommendations on microphones in the $100-$250

im leaning towards dynamic mics to keep noise reduction

in college dorm

currently the only one im looking at is the wave dx

im open to being persuaded to condenser mics

[molten lotus]

that doesn't really matter

[unique tangle]

any recommendations then?

[molten lotus]

I think of mics that expensive as a waste of money so not really

lewitt 240 if you want something cool looking ig

it also sounds alright

[frigid rivet]

anybody know a good computer speaker/soundbar thats like $150 or less

i just bought the razer leviathan v2 x and decided to return it like 5 min after i opened it its horrible

[lean grove]

what didnt you like about it

[frigid rivet]

clear delay + only one usb c port + bluetooth mode is bad (like triple the delay it already has)

my laptop only has one usbc pd and one usb a power port and i use the usbc port for the usbc to displayport already

I thought it would be fine

but idk i guess not

[limber marlin]

Hello, for youtube et discord call utilisation, If you had my choice between two microphones, the Blue Yeti and the NZXT Capsule, which one you choose between the Blue Yeti which was released in 2009 but which has several modes such as cardioid, omnidirectional, stereo and bidirectional or the NZXT which only has cardioid mode but which is much newer?

[glad creek]

I probably wouldn't pick any of those

[livid rapids]

how much role does the mixer play in sound quality?

[glad creek]

Windows mixer ? @livid rapids

[livid rapids]

no an acually sound mixer

the physical one

[glad creek]

For which use case?

Just listening? You shouldn't use a mixer for that

[livid rapids]

no, like to route multiple speakers and stuff

you will need a mixer right

[glad creek]

A mixer is for recording audio

[livid rapids]

then what do we call the one that im talking about

educate me

[glad creek]

Idk, maybe a home theater amplifier ?

How many speakers do you want to "route"?

[livid rapids]

AMPLIFIER

YES

HOW DID I FORGET THAT WORD

[glad creek]

Haha

A simple amplifier just ... Amplify sound
If you want more functionalities you need something more
Home theater amplifiers come with dsp, DACs etc...

[livid rapids]

so it doesnt affect sound quality right

[glad creek]

It does

[livid rapids]

i can have the shittiest amplifier and the best speakers and it wont be an issue

[glad creek]

It will be an issue yes

Because amplifying a signal isn't something that easy

And you need more than just amplifying it

So if I understand well you want to know about"the thing between the speakers and the PC"?

[livid rapids]

i think so

[glad creek]

Because there can be multiple things as well as none depending on the speakers and need

But every audio chain will have a dac, an amplifier and speakers. All of those can be directly Integrated inside a speaker though, so it depends on the speaker itself
This is the basis, on top of that you can add digital sound processing (DSP), things to manage more than two stereo speakers etc

And each of those things can be integrated with something else or have their own little box

[livid rapids]

so basically, the speaker is connected to the amplifier and the amplifier takes the input from whatever and gives it to the speaker?

and its also the controller?

[glad creek]

Depending on the amplifier it CAN be the controller

But stricto-sensus an amplifier just amplify the signal and is "dumb"

[livid rapids]

so where does the mixer come in this place?

[glad creek]

Nowhere

[livid rapids]

where can i keep it tho?

[glad creek]

You have a mixer ? What is it

[livid rapids]

i dont

im just learning before i order it

cuz i have no idea about audio tech in this level

[glad creek]

Don't order one haha

Mixers are usually used for recording audio

Like if you have 10 instruments being recorded together you can mix them with a mixer yes

[livid rapids]

is this correct?

[glad creek]

But for audio playback you basically need : a dac, an amplifier and speakers
DACs stands for digital to analog converter, you need this because your pc is digital (usb out, hdmi out etc) and every speakers are analogic
There is a dac in most pc which is why you have a jack output though, so it's not absolutely needed

[white gate]

What is it you're trying to connect?
As in, what devices do you have now?

[glad creek]

He has nothing from what I understand

[white gate]

No speakers or PC or anything?

[glad creek]

He wants to know how it works before buying things

[livid rapids]

i dont have any devices, im building the plan so that i dont waste my money

[glad creek]

What will be your input

And your budget

[livid rapids]

1. BT
2. AUX
3. A guitar

[white gate]

As said, what devices do you have now that you're intending to use.
ie: Do you have the speakers already. Are you planning to use a PC, a phone, something else?

[glad creek]

Depending on the budget it could be better to buy powered speakers, they have the amplifier integrated in them

[livid rapids]

around 800-1000$

[white gate]

@livid rapids

[glad creek]

He just answered

Your AUX will come from what ?

[white gate]

Didn't say what the aux/bt etc is from

[livid rapids]

no speakers, only a Blutetooth phone, a laptop(AUX) and a guitar

[glad creek]

okay

[livid rapids]

laptop or phone can be anything

[white gate]

Ok, so in that case you're going to want a DAC (cause laptop line out/aux is terrible usually), and then either amplifier + passive speakers or just active speakers

Where will the speakers be placed/used?

[livid rapids]

corner of the cieling

[glad creek]

Uh

That's probably one of the worst place to put speakers in any room lmao

[livid rapids]

also, should i go with celing speaker or wall mount it to the top corner?

[livid rapids]

where else could i keep it?

[white gate]

What is the room you're intending to put them in?

[livid rapids]

bedroom

(i sleep alone)

[white gate]

In that case you'd likely want just speaker stands at ear level

[livid rapids]

but aesthetics also matter

[glad creek]

I personally don't think speakers put in the top corners is any aesthetic at all

But it's really a bad idea sound wise anyway

[livid rapids]

but its better than anywhere in the middle

[livid rapids]

whats passive and active speaker?

and is there any amp with built in dac?

[tender frost]

Combo DAC/amps definitely exist

Passive speakers need an amp, active speakers have one built in (iirc)

[livid rapids]

hmm, so techincally passive speaker would give me more control right?

more "ease of access"

[unique wind]

yes more control because you can use any amp/dac that you want (within reason)

but not more ease of use because it’s more work to setup compared to an active/powered speaker, which will have its own amp inside and often its own dac too

[livid rapids]

any suggestion for compact amp for max 4 speakers?

[haughty girder]

Condenser mics are generally going to be more sensitive, what's your use case?

[haughty girder]

~150 bucks is a sweet spot for xlr mics IMO

[molten lotus]

still more than id ever be willing to pay

at least for exclusively cardioid mics

[unique wind]

we know you like lofi mics

[livid rapids]

which brand of speakers should i go for?

[haughty girder]

what's ur budget?

[haughty girder]

yesir

[livid rapids]

for the speakes, i got like 500 dollars

[haughty girder]

passive = no electronics, just housing, dampening, crossover and drivers

active = all the above + its own amp

[haughty girder]

what's the use case

[livid rapids]

im preferring passive

[livid rapids]

music

[haughty girder]

at your desk?

[livid rapids]

need some bass too but dont want a subwoofer

[haughty girder]

Oh? why

[livid rapids]

cieling but not a cieling speaker

[haughty girder]

If you have enough space and want passive, JBL Studio 530 are the way to go, especially when it's on sale

but then you'd need to buy an amp to go with it

your budget allows for even LSR308 to be used

[livid rapids]

yes

[haughty girder]

wdym ceiling

so it'll at your desk but above the monitors near the ceiling?

[livid rapids]

yes

(googled image)

[haughty girder]

uhm

so a few things

[livid rapids]

yes please educate me

[haughty girder]

you usually don't want your speakers to be that close to a wall

it's best to give it some space

[livid rapids]

well, technically, they have to be mounted somewhere right

[haughty girder]

normally they're on the floor

or on stands

away from the wall

but if that's your only option, it will work

2nd

positioning to get accurate sound out of two speakers that high up becomes very difficult

[livid rapids]

would a ceiling speaker be better in this case?

[haughty girder]

well

a proper ceiling speaker wouldn't have any directionality at all

[lean grove]

Only if you want everything to sound like it's coming from above you

[haughty girder]

you'd almost never use a ceiling speaker exclusively for sound quality

[lean grove]

Yeah I got a buddy with a home theater that uses ceiling speakers, says he can't hear anything

[livid rapids]

aight then lets stop even thinking about a ceiling speaker

no wonder all these shopping malls use it

[lean grove]

Well they use them so they're out of the way and not too distracting. They're for ambiance.

[livid rapids]

yeah

[lean grove]

And there's actually some cool speakers that use in-ceiling speakers as normal speakers.

But anyways you wanna look up near-field desktop setup.

For inspiration

[livid rapids]

my main objective is yk.. like have music in my small ass room with my laptop or phone

[haughty girder]

normally that's where 7.x.x comes in, where they add top channels so that they can replicate sound coming from the top in movies. Never will the ceilings be used alone

[livid rapids]

i just want the sound to be full

[haughty girder]

JBL studio 530

400 bucks refurbished on amazon

[lean grove]

They get lower than that on JBLs site

Open box, b stock

[haughty girder]

when they're on sale yes

[lean grove]

Yeah

Which is pretty often

[haughty girder]

yea

[livid rapids]

well i live in india

[haughty girder]

Ohh

[livid rapids]

they dont exist here

[lean grove]

💀

[haughty girder]

that changes things

[lean grove]

It does.

[livid rapids]

it doesnt

[lean grove]

Rip. Gl Nex

[haughty girder]

availability becomes completely different

studio 530 are the your best option if you live in NA, but afaik it's an NA model only

How much space you got on or around your desk

[livid rapids]

active speaker wont work in my situation right?

[livid rapids]

none

thats the reason..

[haughty girder]

ofc it does

[livid rapids]

like even if i have, they end up getting filled with clutter

[haughty girder]

it's just harder to mount because it's heavier

[livid rapids]

but how would i connect it via aux?

[lean grove]

Are lsr305's lighter than 530's?

[haughty girder]

I believe so?

they're much smaller

[livid rapids]

how are bowers&wilkins

[haughty girder]

issue with 305p compared to 306 and 308 in india

is that they're all almost the same price...

in which case I'd have recommended 306 and 308 over 305

but 308 is farfield so it'd be 306p

[haughty girder]

like every brand, some good some bad

[lean grove]

Overpriced most of the time tho

[haughty girder]

india pricing

is weird

308p is 130 bucks less there new than USA

370 vs 500

[livid rapids]

its not weird

its just import export taxes

[haughty girder]

you misunderstood...

[livid rapids]

should go with a soundbar instead? i dont think if thats a good idea

[haughty girder]

India has cheaper 308p than USA does

[livid rapids]

are these good

should i buy these

[haughty girder]

and the price absolutely

but

they're large

very large

this would be your best bet

except you'd still be running 2 cables per speaker, which can get messy

[livid rapids]

see, im ready to get them on my desk. but, when im beside it, on my bed. i want the same great sound

[haughty girder]

mmm

306p are probably still your best bet

if you can manage the cables, that is

you'll need longer ac power cords

and a long 3.5mm to dual xlr or 1/4" balanced

[livid rapids]

so i should buy those and connected them to an amplifer?

[haughty girder]

these don't need amplifier

they have it built in

but they need wall power

[livid rapids]

but bruh im talkin bout cieling

they will be at a height

[livid rapids]

https://www.boseapac.com/en_in/products/speakers/stereo_speakers/251-environmental-speakers.html#v=251_black

how are these?

[haughty girder]

most of your best options aren't available because of region

also

no

don't get outdoor speakers for indoor use

[livid rapids]

whats the technical difference

https://www.boseapac.com/en_in/products/speakers/speaker_accessories/bose-surround-speakers.html#v=bose_surround_speakers_black_in_th

these?

[haughty girder]

tuning is very different

[ocean gyro]

i got dell optiplex 7050 built in speaker and that's my audio setup🤓

[haughty girder]

bose in general is kinda eh

[livid rapids]

in india bose is the most respected brand

they got insane brand value

[haughty girder]

yes, brand value

not actual performance

[livid rapids]

these look ideal ngl

but wait a min, these are acctive or passive?

yeah they are active

[lean grove]

Bose is kinda doodoo

They're bad speakers that are "fixed" with a ton of eq

[livid rapids]

what are the other options then?

[haughty girder]

Well, they've got like one or two okayish models... bose is also just overpriced as hell

fwiw: Bose is a company that is famed for its ANC research, not its sound quality. But people assosiate popular brands with good sound quality soooo

[weak rapids]

The day of reckoning has come

Corsair is buying Drop

Hopefully they dont diminish the quality of the products and also make the products more available outside the US

[lean grove]

Kali, JBL, iloud,

Those are the go-to desktop speakers.

Maybe iloud?

Micro monitors

They're Chinese I'm pretty sure, so maybe they're easier to get in India

[molten lotus]

just buy the jbls man

you asked for advice you got it

if you are going to disregard it then don't ask for advice

[nova wagon]

its not available, thats the problem

man listened, but the stock didnt

[molten lotus]

he didn't say that though?

that was for jbl 530

not jbl 305-306

[livid rapids]

yall said it was big and bulky and wont work for my setup[

[molten lotus]

weren't you going to mount them?

[livid rapids]

yes

[molten lotus]

do you not have concrete walls?

[clear sedge]

fuck powered speakers

micca rb42 and a pa3s all day

now that's what i call space efficient

[lean grove]

Space efficient maybe, cost efficient maybe not.

[clear sedge]

I dont think 300 US new is bad at all for the quality of the miccas for a desk setup.

Could probably knock nearly a hundred bucks off that total buying used as well

[lean grove]

The pa3 looks like a good amp, and the miccas are good for passives in that price range, but for $300 you can get JBL lsr305's, Kali lp6, or iloud mm's.

The amps in those aren't all that great tbh

But the speakers themselves are just way better as a whole.

Micca got problems with directivity and linearity, that small woofer is doing a lot of work.

[blazing flower]

I have gotten my hands on a soundblaster audigy 2 zs, and if anyone knows is it better or worse than more modern intergrated sound cards or is it worth using in a computer

[tepid torrent]

If the JBL’s didnt hiss I would have got them a long time ago

Since they are significantly cheaper than the kalis here

[unique wind]

you will use a hissy tweeter and you will like it

[hollow latch]

i Have a problem i dont know what is. I have sound but microphone not working can it be sound card?

[lean grove]

Never heard of it. But if you already have it, why not try it out?

[cinder abyss]

Hey! I need a new pc headset for streams and games and im lost. Is the razer barracuda pro a good choice or would something else be better. (I can work with any price under 350)

[molten lotus]

its really bad

[molten lotus]

you can work with any price?

[cinder abyss]

any price under 350

[molten lotus]

I recommend warwick aperio then

https://www.moon-audio.com/warwick-acoustics-aperio.html

its limited in shops so here is the link for it

[cinder abyss]

💀

32K IS WILD

[molten lotus]

you can buy he1 if you'd like

50k usd

they ask for a 10k downpayment though

[lean grove]

do you need a headset mic or do you have a mic already

[cinder abyss]

I already have a mic

[lean grove]

take a look at the hd6xx, hd560s, and dt880.
hd6xx is gonna be a bit warmer sounding but is otherwise super neutral sounding.
560s is gonna have a bit more of a v curve, gonna be something more normal people would like and is gonna clamp similarly to the 6xx,
and dt880 is gonna be a looser more comfortable fit, and is gonna have a brighter sound to it while still being neutral

[cinder abyss]

what has better suround sound to hear enemies in for example valorant

[lean grove]

surround sound in headphones is a myth. its really just a bunch of EQ filters that make things sound less like headphones, but never actually provide any more information

in my experience they actually make things harder to hear since there's a lot of fuckery in between what the engine wants you to hear and what your headphones will play

like, in the old days when engines had super shitty audio and expected you to be using a pair of $20 desktop speakers, then yeah it was useful because it actually made the game listenable

nowadays engines do a pretty good job

but, if you wanted to minmax gaming potentential, g et the 560s

[cinder abyss]

Can u dm me the link?

[lean grove]

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-Over-Audiophile-Headphones/dp/B08J9MVB6W/

this is them

but $220 is expensive

you can find them for $150 easily

[cinder abyss]

tysm

[lean grove]

theyve shot up in price recently

[molten lotus]

is there amps around the 50$ price point

[lean grove]

there's dongles and used amps.

[molten lotus]

Used amps are not a horrible idea

I'll come back with used amps I deem fine

Would dongles improve the sound quality

I have a dongle but it's more of an adapter

[lean grove]

maybe.

[molten lotus]

Maybe ok

[lean grove]

are you having any serious problems with your current audio

[molten lotus]

Yes????

[lean grove]

whats wrong with it

[molten lotus]

Serious problems are my adapted is broken and the volume is super quiet

That is it tho

BC you know the he400se which is an extremely good pair of headphones on a 6 dollar adapter is not the brightest idea

[lean grove]

ah. quick fix would be the apple usb type c dongle or some sort of dongle using a cx31993 dac chip

the cx31993 are usually better i think

[molten lotus]

Ig but I am thinking more long term

What about 100 dollars

[lean grove]

long term you can buy a better amp and use the dongle as a dac

[molten lotus]

Oh so I need a dac with an amp?

[lean grove]

well standalone amps are just an amplifier. they take a signal and amplify it

so if you feed it a shitty signal from a shitty dac, you're, at best, polishing a turd

for $100 id still buy a good amp, b stock schiit magni or jds atom, and then a dongle

that way you can get a better dac eventually as well, and still have a good amp

if you get one of the $100 dac amp combos then you're kinda locking yourself into a crappy amp in the long-term

unless its a dac that happens to have an amp like the ifi zen dac. in which case you're off to a slightly better start. but i'd still take a magni + dongle over an ifi zen dac

[molten lotus]

If zen dac

Ifi

[lean grove]

yes

[molten lotus]

Should I buy that one

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

id personally take the magni + dongle
but if you like the way it looks and it checks your boxes i dont think you'll be unhappy with it

[molten lotus]

How much is magni + dongle

[lean grove]

https://www.schiit.com/b-stocks

b stock magni3+ is $69

apple dongle is $10 or if you want something fancier, a cx31993 dongle is like $20

[molten lotus]

How is the cx dongle bettee

Bettee

Bruh

Is it because it has a dac chip

[lean grove]

usually they're built a bit nicer

lemme see if i can get some graphs

[molten lotus]

W

[lean grove]

they provide a little bit less than twice as much power as the dongle while being cleaner

the cx31993 is a pretty popular dac chip. so they're easy to find

Abigail and meizu are the popular ones i see

[molten lotus]

dt880 > for gaming

[lean grove]

ping him, not me

[molten lotus]

@cinder abyss

[cinder abyss]

Hi

[molten lotus]

Dt880 is nice

Dt990 bettee

Bruh

[cinder abyss]

I already got the 560

🤷‍♂️

[lean grove]

dont think its g onna increase your kda

560s still good

[molten lotus]

no?

dt990 is directly worse than dt880

[molten lotus]

its a good choice

I would have also picked hd560s over dt880

Fr it's worse???

unless you are a super competitive player you shouldn't mind the difference

[molten lotus]

yeah it's just dt880 but with a midbass shelf

Weird influencers and people never brought that up when talking about the dt990

[lean grove]

well, 990s have the mega bass and the spicey treble that gamers like

[molten lotus]

"mega bass"

[molten lotus]

Does the zen ifi air dac thing need a dac of no

Also is the magni3+ 69cad or usd

[lean grove]

the air dac is a dac.

[molten lotus]

and dt880 and dt990 have the same amount of treble afaik

[lean grove]

its a combo unit

[molten lotus]

Makes sense

[lean grove]

so its got a small amp with a dac

[molten lotus]

I don't mean to sound condescending but

"does zen air dac need a dac"

Yeah I realised after I said it

I was like "damn I sound stupid but too lazy to delete"

zen air dac is pretty good by itself

[lean grove]

kinda? they're within a ballpark at least

[molten lotus]

different ohm versions

check the same ohm ones

they look exact same

[lean grove]

thats all crins got

[molten lotus]

shitty source but

works for comparing

[molten lotus]

rtings graph

[lean grove]

i mena, these all look to be roughtly the same information

[molten lotus]

except for the purple which is an obvious fault

[lean grove]

the 990s got a couple db more treble on average

[molten lotus]

they are same even on treble peaks

Magni3+ is unobtainable in cad may have to get the zen ifi air dac

[lean grove]

oh rip

[molten lotus]

its fine

compensated

[lean grove]

constipated

[molten lotus]

:(

[lean grove]

sorry klaus i didnt mean to make fun of your condition

some of these graphs the difference is pretty small

enough to maybe consider it being measurement error

but its on all of them that the 990 is still a little higher

[molten lotus]

Y'all should graph he400se vs dtt880

[haughty girder]

990 is higher across the upper treble region where sibilance comes into play, which is what DT990 are known for

especially that peak around 12k

[lean grove]

https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/

[haughty girder]

downright painful to some people

[lean grove]

you do it

yeah. ive known a few who got nausious over it

some people cant get enough of it tho

[haughty girder]

DT880 is better than the 990, the 880 black edition is worse

880BE has more dampening that causes it to be more V shaped than the 990

[lean grove]

i think its so bizarre that beyer would make an 880 with mega bass

are there any credible squiggles of it outside of diyaudioheaven's shitplate

[haughty girder]

I think?

[molten lotus]

400se is a hate it or love it thing

i like it

most people don't

[haughty girder]

I don't like how uncomfortable it is lmao

the sound is ayt

[molten lotus]

planar layering for 110

i wont complain

[haughty girder]

I'd take a 612 over it

[lean grove]

i like hifiman dip

[tepid torrent]

I dont like that fucked headband

[lean grove]

yeah me neither

sundara style or arya are the only ones ive liked

[molten lotus]

its better on xs

but 400se is not good with it

do the shoelace mod on it

[lean grove]

is that the one where you [redacted]

[molten lotus]

I shouldn't have talked about this

administer the memetic agent

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-ok-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-saul-breaking-bad-gif-24188570

[molten lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/266086067218808832/855562313025454101/20210619_003832.gif

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/timonline-gif-21239987

[wispy canyon]

alright
so I have a Samsung s23 ultra, it ain't got no headphone jack (rip)

recommendations for good bluetooth headphones or earbuds?

mostly for listening to music

noise canceling optional

[nova wagon]

Buds 2 pro unless you have nickel allergy

[wispy canyon]

these yea

they look great

[nova wagon]

Yes those

[brazen sparrow]

You could also get a Bluetooth device that lets you plug in wired buds like the fiio btr5

[wispy canyon]

my headphones are garbage anyway
these would be great for music

I'm watching some review videos rq

[brazen sparrow]

Just depends on what you want and need, for me every wireless earbud are painful to wear so I use wired iems because they're more comfortable

[wispy canyon]

I do like me some bass

I listen to lots of EDM

[broken heath]

If I wanted to use a dvd player to play a cd, which would be better audio quality? Hdmi dvd player or composite/component dvd player?

[wispy canyon]

gonna make the purchase

[broken heath]

What are you buying?

[wispy canyon]

galaxy buds 2

[broken heath]

For what and why?

[wispy canyon]

to listen to music
for music

[broken heath]

Couldn’t you get something cheaper?

[wispy canyon]

what are you suggesting

[broken heath]

Idk?

[wispy canyon]

[brazen sparrow]

A 3.5mm to USB c adapter is like 10 bucks

[wispy canyon]

^

garbo headphones

[quiet ether]

hello audio peoples

is it ok if i crank my 100W speaker amp to the max with 70W speakers

[glad creek]

I don't think your amplifier really delivers

70W

[glad creek]

But if it's not that bad if you ever asks too much of it it will go in protection mode
And anyway the sound will be super bad before the amplifier limit

[quiet ether]

fair

[glad creek]

yeah with a 30eur amplifier i'd be surprised if you have

more than 15W

[quiet ether]

does having really bassy songs do anything

[glad creek]

to what ?

[quiet ether]

will it like damage the speakers

at max or overheat the amp

[glad creek]

You can't damage the speakers with this amp it's not powerfull enough to do so

it doesn't have 100W

[quiet ether]

i think its this clip

yeah

[glad creek]

What's wrong with this clip besides the bad sound

[quiet ether]

is it bad if u smell a wooden smell at times

like damp wood?

also i kinda have low gauge wiring

[tepid torrent]

You are too close to it bud

[serene scaffold]

Sounds like a good way to go deaf

[quiet ether]

eh

masks the tinnitus

[unique wind]

causes the tinnitus

[ivory tangle]

is the HD599 good

[molten lotus]

no

get hd560s

[ivory tangle]

\outta budget

[molten lotus]

what is your budget

[rose sentinel]

Anyone, the best EQ settings for the Sony WH1000xm5?

[rose sentinel]

Bro this stuff looks compilated. What should I do?

[quiet ether]

nuh uh

[unique wind]

you need a program that lets you do parametric EQ, "Equalizer APO" is the most popular on windows

[unique wind]

yuh huh

[rose sentinel]

What about when I am using my phone?

[quiet ether]

i need a subwoofer i aint got enough bass

gotta buy another amp tho

[lean grove]

Then you're not gonna be able to get the best EQ.

You're gonna be adjusting to taste

[rose sentinel]

Oh k.

[quiet ether]

just double checking, is it ok to max out my cheap £30 amp which says it does 100w and i got 2 80W speakers @unique wind

[lean grove]

Yes. Just be careful at max volume. Things will start to sound very bad if your speakers are approaching their limit.

[quiet ether]

this is max vol

[unique wind]

you should be able to hear if something is wrong before it goes boom

[quiet ether]

im going around here

[quiet ether]

fair

[unique wind]

generally 50% is the best place to be but 2/3 is fine

going over that is usually not recommended

as a general rule for amps

[quiet ether]

ah

i mean its only like 20W higher

and i doubt this amp can do 100W

[unique wind]

yeah unlikely

[quiet ether]

ive got it plugged into the one next to the oculus charger

[unique wind]

yah but distortion doesnt rise linearly

[quiet ether]

i suppose

[unique wind]

for example with the topping a90d headphone amplifier:

[quiet ether]

heres the spec of my speakers

omega 6

i think theres some distortion

oop theres the wooden smell

i googled it and it said that the wooden smell was just the speaker pushing out air from the box

[rose sentinel]

What I gotta do now?

[unique wind]

copy the filter settings from the chart in the bottom left of the screenshot that i sent

[rose sentinel]

K

How to do that?

Is there a way to import files?

[unique wind]

it would be easier for you if you checked out an equalizer apo tutorial on youtube than if i tried to explain it all on here

[rose sentinel]

K thx for the help

[unique wind]

no problem man good luck

[grand tendon]

does anyone here have a KZ®-EDS earphones?

[rose sentinel]

Any of these graphs does not look like one of this?

[steel escarp]

how can an open back headphone have so much mid bass

could it be the pads

[unique wind]

idk

[steel escarp]

hi michael

I went to the ear doctor btw

my hearing was good enough so they didn't do anything

💀

My mucous membranes in my nose are like permanently swollen and irritated so they gave me a special nose spray for that

that could be what was causing my eustasian tube to dysfunction

The hearing test headphone was not hifi lol. They only measured the frequencies most important for speach

[lean grove]

Ask Sennheiser

[steel escarp]

Why

They don't have midbass problems, right?

Hm tho 125 euros for a headphone that looks very fixable

Just add a bit of rear driver dampening and put smaller pads on

Bingo

[unique wind]

some do

if you consider lifted midbass a problem

(i do)

[steel escarp]

I do too

It's just the way they tune headphones with velour pads

Sadly

Or you get no bass extension but neutral midbas

My dt880 has good extension somehow

[unique wind]

i prefer the budget hifiman approach

where’s its linear to like 50hz and falls off

vs lifting the whole bass shelf early

hd599 is coocoo for cocopuffs

[steel escarp]

Beyerdynamic amiron enjoyers are weird

[unique wind]

does anyone actually enjoy using those

[steel escarp]

Yes I know a guy

I know an audioquest nighthawk enjoyer too

That thing was insane

You were literally unable to hear specific instruments in the mix

Like some snares disappeared

[unique wind]

lmao

incredible

[steel escarp]

Earcups literally attached to the headband with rubber strings

[molten lotus]

zeos phone zeos phone

[unique wind]

klaus ze zeos fan

[steel escarp]

Honestly not bad for 125 euros

[steel escarp]

Fiio has some shipping issues to the netherlands

[unique wind]

are you buying the ft3

[steel escarp]

I want a dynamic with good bass

To replace the dt880

I have been using dt880 over edition xs lately

It's so good on my violectric amp

[broken heath]

If I wanted to use a dvd player to play a cd, which would be better audio quality? Hdmi dvd player or composite/component dvd player?

[daring sandal]

is the G432 a good headset?

[molten lotus]

it matters?

if you have a dac you want to use with the player, you'd want something with a digital output

if not composite it is

[lean grove]

I'd hesitate to call it good. But you could do worse.

[peak spindle]

Looking for some headphone advive
Want to spend around £50-80
Its going to be used only for gaming. Mainly cod, battlefield etc so I need footsteps to be clear. I heard open back is best for sound stage and imaging for that type of thing
I'd prefer over ear
Doesn't need to include mic. I'll probably just buy a Vmoda boom pro
So far only looked at the shp9500

[broken heath]

I don’t have one

[broken heath]

Composite or component?

[molten lotus]

composite it video

so my bad

component

[broken heath]

Uhhhh?
So use component?

[broken heath]

These are the 2 players

Which should I go with?

[unique wind]

the red and white connections labeled audio out L/R is the analog rca out option

looks like it also has digital coaxial audio out

idk which you need to use i don’t remember your setup

[past grotto]

Am I allowed to ask questions here about vintage audio things?

[unique wind]

yeah and @lean grove is 54 so he should be able to help you

[past grotto]

oh ok

[broken heath]

A tv with speakers on the front of it

[past grotto]

Stupid question then: would i be able to use an old 1990 pioneer stack and speakers with a pc (using audio files) seen as pcs were around back then (via CDs) or even wired to the pc itself?

[haughty girder]

these things haven't changed in ages

a dac with RCA, or 3.5mm to RCA cable (they're literally the same minus the plug they use) to hook it up will do fine

[past grotto]

mmm thanks

[haughty girder]

Send a picture of the back of your stack

just to be sure

[past grotto]

ill look tommorow as its like 11 pm and i need desperate sleep

[haughty girder]

kk, good night.

[sharp oracle]

Looking for solid headphones for my PC...
-White (preferably)
-Budget: $150-$180
-For gaming + watching content
-wired
Any recommendations? I was using the Astro A40s before. Even though they were comfortable... the sound quality seemed a bit poor to be honest... So anything but the Astros

[nova wagon]

do you need a mic on your headphone?

[sharp oracle]

No. No mic needed

[nova wagon]

sennheiser hd 560s or the beyerdynamic dt 880 pro would be my rec

[sharp oracle]

Thank you ☺️

[sharp oracle]

https://a.co/d/7hIavnh
https://a.co/d/6jNT9Y8

Which would be the better headphone? The premium or pro?

[nova wagon]

its basically the same thing

https://headphones.com/products/sennheiser-hd-560s?_pos=1&_psq=hd+560s&_ss=e&_v=1.0
btw heres the 560s for the same money for you to consider

[sharp oracle]

thank you again! ill consider both headphones

[quiet ice]

jvc mx-j700

[glad creek]

That's quite a cool flowchart

Most of them are what I would recommend haha

[lone dust]

Hi guys, I've got a Zoom H5 recorder. Is there an induction loop receiver to go along with this?

[violet topaz]

Hey guys, could anyone point me towards some good FL Studio tutorials?
Thanks in advance!

[bright osprey]

I'm not getting any audio from my headphones but I am from my speakers

Can someone tell me if I have this wired up incorrectly?

Top is the modi +

Middle is SYS

Bottom is Magni +

Oh Nils

[lean grove]

The DAC should go into the RCA porta on the right

What you're doing when you're switching to your headphones is connecting your headphones to your speakers

The ports on the right should be in inputs and the ports on the left should be output.

[bright osprey]

Ohhhhhh okay

Lemme try now

Oh also these wires are the speaker wires

[bright osprey]

So which port should they go in?

[molten lotus]

connect input to outpıt

[molten lotus]

you are welcome

[lean grove]

I see the confusion

So the sys is intended to be used to switch between sources

But you can just put it in reverse

So the out should be the in

[glad creek]

What are those cables

[lean grove]

And the ins should be the out

So the DAC should go into the out
And the magni and speakers should get the in1 and in2

[molten lotus]

🤔

isn't it the other way around

yeah it is

[bright osprey]

Like this?

[molten lotus]

sources go into the inputs

@bright osprey read the manual bro

you have this in your hand

[lean grove]

Yes but didn't you want to be able to switch your speakers with a button?

[glad creek]

Modi>sys in>out to magni in > out to speakers

[lean grove]

So you'd wanna move the speakers to the sys in1

[molten lotus]

will it work the other way around

[lean grove]

Why wouldn't it

It's just a relay, some wires, and a pot

[molten lotus]

https://www.schiit.com/public/upload/general/sys_board.jpg

literally is

[lean grove]

Not a diode or transistor in sight

Audibly transparent

[glad creek]

How much is that again lmao

[molten lotus]

50$ lmao

[lean grove]

One gazillion db of sinad

[glad creek]

I hope so ...

[molten lotus]

I expected like

1 component in there

maybe

[glad creek]

Considering how moving my pot on my magni destroys the sound because it's a shitty pot

And how my gain switch is dead too even though it's just a switch ...

[lean grove]

I think what's most interesting is that this is the cost of the PCB, the housing, and the profit overhead. Meaning the true cost of a magni is like $40

Most of the cost of a magni ain't the magni

[glad creek]

That's true for most products

[molten lotus]

40$ is too much

[lean grove]

Yes but now we know.

Audio typically has a 5x profit margin from start to finish.

Hifi audio at least

[glad creek]

It's not just profit
But there is logistic, taxes, taxes and then taxes again, warranties, marketing, buildings to pay for etc...

[bright osprey]

Okay I finally got it

[molten lotus]

not even hifi but

[glad creek]

Something that cost 20$ to build and sold for 100 doesn't mean 500% margin

[molten lotus]

the blue yeti incident

(8$ worth in components)

[glad creek]

Lmao

[lean grove]

No. But you can ballpark how much something costs by just dividing it by 5.

[glad creek]

True

That's why most of the time I like diy stuff

But for audio product ... No, I don't have what's required to do good stuff

Maybe doing an hypex based power amplifier since you literally only have to plugs things together and put it in a case, but then it's no more totally diy

[lean grove]

Being French is a handicap for that. Parts express truly is a blessing for us Americans.

[glad creek]

Oh you remember I am french ?

What's parts express ?

My problem with diy stuff for audio is that it's way too complex and you do need high end measuring gear to know what the heck you are really doing

[lean grove]

Parts express is an Amazon for diy audio

[glad creek]

Oh yeah
We have audiophonics which is super cool

Getting parts isn't the problem, but moreso doing something good because I can't validate what I'm doing

[lean grove]

Ah.

Well measurement gear should be $200

Which can be absorbed into the price of the speaker

Dayton dats and a um1k should get you pretty far.

[violet topaz]

Oh my god, thank you!
Wish I'd heard of them before, that's awesome

[echo sandal]

How is the G435 wireless compared to the arctis nova 1p? I'll be using my headphones mostly for calls and occasionally listening to music

[alpine musk]

Hello,
could you please recomend some wireless speaker for trips to cabin?
My family relative asked me and frankly I would answer to anything else... but Bluetooth portable speakers? That product category is so saturated and moves so fast - so many models come and go, plus their quality changes as time goes on.

They mainly listen to vocal songs, rock, instrumental, but even some EDM from their disco days xD
IP rating is not nescessary, but nice to have I guess. It's just so they can put it on table and chill to it. There is no electricity, so that's why portable speaker and not some budget stereo. One or two days of usage at max.

I looked at **Rtings **- **SONY SRS-XG300 **and Ultimate Ears MegaBoom 3 looked decent. The Sony is expensive and the MegaBoom has mixed ratings on Amazon (stopped working after short time or stopped pairing)

Any recommendations?

Thanks

[glad creek]

Oh yeah I already have some miniDSP ears and someday a umik1/2
But I don't know about something that can measure power, distorsion etc

[lean grove]

You can do that with a resistor and your microphone input on your computer

[glad creek]

Yeah but directly from an amplifier or dac ?

Not from speakers

[lean grove]

Yes.

Your mic input is an ADC

You need some software to actually get measurements

I think REW might be able to do distortion

[glad creek]

Oh my bad I didn't read the "input" part of your sentence above

Yes Rew can do it I believe

[lean grove]

So you just need to do some sketchy wiring to get your mic input to hook up to DAC and speaker outputs

[glad creek]

I'd need a good adc though

Not the one from my mb chipset/uphoria um2

[lean grove]

Yeah. I'd bet you could get a good 70 or 90db of dynamic range out of cheap ADCs

You'll get some data out of it.

[glad creek]

Yeah 90dB is okayish, 70dB is a no go

[lean grove]

You'll be able to look at the distortion on tube amps.

[glad creek]

I guess a good adc isn't that expensive and that would make an excuse to upgrade my mic input

[glad creek]

I don't plan to build or buy a tube amp

[echo sandal]

jbl flip 6 any day

ultimate ears is also good

i don't really like sony speakers.. they're a bit bass heavy and need to be EQd

[blazing flower]

Is it OK to run a 6 ohm amp at 5.5 ohm

[lean grove]

Yes.

[vivid junco]

theres a static buzzing noise on my earphones and its getting annoying anytime i put them at high volume

ikik dont bully me, rookie mistake i bought Razer headphones

how can i fix this? should i just buy new headphones? my budget isnt really high tho

[alpine musk]

Have you heard anything about QC issues or the dying on random?

[vivid junco]

does anyone have a chart on how good headphones are ?

[molten lotus]

if it is a usb one you can't fix it

[vivid junco]

its not

its a jack

[molten lotus]

noisy motherboard

get an apple dongle

[vivid junco]

they sound like shit anyways they always were buzzing

with numerous motherboards

[molten lotus]

return them if you can

the headphons

[vivid junco]

nah ive had them for 3y

[molten lotus]

might be a bit late then

[vivid junco]

i watched youtubers and they said they were good 💀 rookie mistake

[molten lotus]

thank you eddie

[alpine musk]

[vivid junco]

thx

very educative

[buoyant vale]

anytime

[vivid junco]

my phone earbuds sound better then my Razer headset xd

[alpine musk]

Next time go with Sennheiser, but if you want to stick to "gaming headset" brands, then SteelSeries and Corsair are quite good.

[vivid junco]

granted they are sennheiser earbuds

[alpine musk]

Especially the mic...

[vivid junco]

i dont give af about gaming headset

i got a blue yeti mic

[alpine musk]

IE80?

[vivid junco]

smth plus

i forgot the name

[alpine musk]

...but you bought Razer headset

[vivid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-astroworld-travis-head-travis-scott-head-travis-scott-headache-gif-23896240

[vivid junco]

CX Plus

i got the basic ones on sale for like 80$ cad 2y ago and they broke under warranty so the compagny sent me higher tier ones (plus version) for free

[alpine musk]

Just dont use TWS for gaming.

[vivid junco]

TWS?

[alpine musk]

True Wireless

Like the CX Plus

Latency is horrible with TWS earbuds

[vivid junco]

Yeah i use them for youtube and shows