audio-tech

[molten lotus]

which is the only measurement you can read

[unique wind]

valid to dislike it

[molten lotus]

so it makes sense you say it

[lean grove]

It might not even help with that if your speaker has shit off-axis response.

[haughty girder]

+1

[molten lotus]

its a russian roulette of matching speakers with rooms given it isn't treated properly

and even when it is, it is still not perfect for every speaker

[lean grove]

Only if you're a moron.
Certain good speakers can be more resilient to shitty room placement.

[molten lotus]

sure

[lean grove]

If you're wasting money by guess and checking yeah it's gonna suck

[unique wind]

klaus mind is gonna be blown when he finds out you can use eq to combat room reflections and not just alter frequency response

[molten lotus]

michael is going to be mindblown when he discovers eq isn't magical

[unique wind]

it has yet to not be magical

[molten lotus]

i rest my case

[unique wind]

hey when that day comes ill let you know

[dry stratus]

No matter how good it can be, I won’t EQ

[lean grove]

That's only gonna work on exactly one spot and it still wont make things perfect.

[unique wind]

stubborn

no headphone will ever be perfect without dsp

[dry stratus]

Buying something good to begin with > EQ

[molten lotus]

that selection narrows things down a lot

there are speakers that are generally good that can cope with most enviorments

[lean grove]

Yes

[molten lotus]

but there are reasons shit like frequency response is an afterthought of a measurement when it comes to speakers

[lean grove]

It doesn't matter as much for headphones for sure.

But it's still useful.

[molten lotus]

its good for finding out if something is k240 awful

but it isn't useful for comparing something close in quality

[unique wind]

frequency response is deal breaking with headphones if you arent willing to eq

[molten lotus]

why are you even buying headphones bro

[unique wind]

almost everything audeze makes is ewaste without eq

[molten lotus]

just eq

[lean grove]

You can pretty easily determine a good speaker from a shit speaker by looking at the FR

[unique wind]

genuine ewaste

[molten lotus]

get 20$ in ears and eq your way michael

all else is snake oil

[unique wind]

i mean yeah that's not even wrong klaus

if quarks dsp didnt have a shit cable and dac itd be better than most head/earphones

[molten lotus]

comedic

[lean grove]

Iems aren't headphones.

[molten lotus]

no no

i checked the frequency response

its the same

[unique wind]

comfort, tonality, and imaging are easily the most important characteristics with headphones and earphones

tonality and imaging are both in the frequency response

[molten lotus]

tonality sure

imaging?

[unique wind]

yes

[lean grove]

Group delay is in FR?

Channel balance sure

[molten lotus]

you sure you aren't confusing imaging with detail or layering?

[unique wind]

hifiman dips murders imaging for example

[lean grove]

Not really.

[unique wind]

it does

it completely ruins vocal placement

[molten lotus]

you can eq out the dip

it doesn't really change imaging

[unique wind]

you can yeah and then it's fixed

[lean grove]

EQ in more imaging

[molten lotus]

bruh

[unique wind]

he400se barely has a center vocal image at all stock

[lean grove]

I accidentally boosted the 1.6khz too much and found God.

[unique wind]

what did god say

[molten lotus]

yeah all the sudden it was a 7.1 setup

subwoofers are also overrated

[lean grove]

"ask anything"

[molten lotus]

i added a 20dB bass shelf onto my delta buds

bass machines fr

[unique wind]

thumpin fr

[molten lotus]

dynamics? never heard of it

[unique wind]

i want a bass shaker on my chair

[molten lotus]

do the bass shaker

[lean grove]

Rare Michael w

[unique wind]

bass shaker gonna make me do the thug shaker involuntarily

[haughty girder]

on top or underneath

[unique wind]

ill sit directly on it if that helps

[lean grove]

The vanatoos I used to have were pretty funny. The passive radiators were on top of the speaker and transferred some of that energy into the desk.

Was like a weak bass shaker.

I should make some speakers with PR's on the top.

[molten lotus]

i misplaced obsidian in minecraft any tips on how to remove it with create

[unique wind]

4dx cinema

shake the chair and desk

[haughty girder]

mmm lmk how it goes

[unique wind]

do you think i should put a silicone probe on it and then sit on that for maximum transfer?

[haughty girder]

Isn't your internals isolated by essentially water tho?

[unique wind]

crank it up

[haughty girder]

I'd imagine staying on the outside is probably better maybe

[unique wind]

i could have one on the underside of the chair and one on top with the probe

[haughty girder]

You'd need them to be in phase tho

[lean grove]

Not that hard.

Gonna be +/- 180 degrees

[steel escarp]

@molten lotus I modded my denon ah-d5000 into the d5200

its dead neutral now

[molten lotus]

that doesn't look dead neutral to me

[steel escarp]

okay I had to turn down 5k

[molten lotus]

and the midbass?

[steel escarp]

its not that noticable

I notice a dip below 1k somewhere more

its around 700Hz

I wish I had some way to measure it

(random pic from google) the foam ring was fucking up the mid range frequencies

its supposed to take care of resonances and make a seal

but it traps too much treble due to it being too dense

honestly I don't know what to do about the 5k area

I'd have to fiddle around with the replacement ring I made

and different earpads

but the technicalities of these drivers are not that good

[rocky spruce]

@unique wind @haughty girder @lean grove huge thanks, the Headset Sound gréât, thanks for helping me choose

[haughty girder]

awesome. glad you enjoy! just don't go any further into the audio rabbit hole hehe

[steel escarp]

Did you get the akg one I recommended?

Oh he got dt880

[rocky spruce]

I needed open back

[rocky spruce]

I am never coming back here

[haughty girder]

LMAO

ayt

[haughty girder]

wdym, DT880 is pretty good

[rocky spruce]

This place is scarrt

Scary

[steel escarp]

It's mid

[haughty girder]

dw, it only gets worse from here!

[haughty girder]

k371 is not better lmao

the only thing k361/371 have going for em is "better than everything else closed back"

they're not detailed

the fit is kinda scuffed

[steel escarp]

Neither is dt880

My Nintendo 3ds has better imaging

[haughty girder]

DT880 is far more detailed than k361/371

it's also more comfortable

doesn't get as hot

[rocky spruce]

And yet another point less arguement start again

[lean grove]

Don't worry cheese

Grey is probably the second most often wrong person I've met in audio discords

[haughty girder]

As someone who owns the 361, and has used the 371 before making decision on 361. The ONLY reason k361/371 is recommended is because people want closed backs and they all suck

[lean grove]

You made the right choice.

[haughty girder]

it's like the Blon BL03

It isn't good

it just happened to be better than kz

[steel escarp]

I own dt880

[haughty girder]

As soon as chinese companies start taking closed back headphone market seriously, K361/371 will fall out of relevance.

[steel escarp]

Any IEM will be more detailed than any closed back atm

[rocky spruce]

Thanks

Tbh i love it

[steel escarp]

How is the bass

On dt880

[rocky spruce]

Whats Bass

[steel escarp]

If you got 250 ohms version there is none

[molten lotus]

lmao

[haughty girder]

wait... that's not a DT880

[steel escarp]

It is

[haughty girder]

or it is but

[molten lotus]

it is

[haughty girder]

it's a variant

[steel escarp]

Detachable cable modded

By me

[haughty girder]

that shouldn't matter

you have black pads

and a black earcup

[rocky spruce]

Hey my dad did that on his 980

[molten lotus]

dt880 doesn't generally have black cups

[haughty girder]

I'm worried that because it's a drop device...

[molten lotus]

that's the dt880 edition

which is a rarer variant

and generally more expensive

[haughty girder]

did they just turn the DT880 Black edition into black silver

[steel escarp]

I bought black pads separately after my grey ones turned yellow

[haughty girder]

https://drop.com/buy/beyerdynamic-dt880-990-600-ohm-all-black-everything

[steel escarp]

Which they will in a year

[molten lotus]

black dt880s are special editions

the og dt880 black is called premium edition

[haughty girder]

DT880 black edition is a piece of shit

[molten lotus]

idk about the drop

[molten lotus]

its the same thing

[rocky spruce]

Well goodbye Audio people, i like the new Headset

[molten lotus]

except for the drop one

maybe

[haughty girder]

it isn't

[steel escarp]

I got it like this

[haughty girder]

they added a bunch of dampening into it

[molten lotus]

premium edition is the same as the gray dt880

drop one is different chief

[haughty girder]

black edition?

DT880 pro black edition

[haughty girder]

Not that

[steel escarp]

I don't have the black edition

[haughty girder]

The black edition has more dampening and stuff inside, and the tuning is completely fcked up

[steel escarp]

Damn

[molten lotus]

are you talking about the drop dt880

or edition

[haughty girder]

nono

it's literally the DT880 pro black edition

which ended up basically being a DT990 in an 880 housing

[molten lotus]

there are several different ones i don't know which that is

there is black edition

[molten lotus]

there is premium edition

[steel escarp]

Under You - Foo Fighters
This song goes so hard

[molten lotus]

ah ok

[haughty girder]

this one

[molten lotus]

drop moment

[haughty girder]

it's not the all black everything

nono this wasn't a drop thing

this was from beyer by themselves

[molten lotus]

tf

i didn't know of this thing's existence

[steel escarp]

Buying from drop is like saying you don't care about warranty

[molten lotus]

buying frop drop is saying you were dropped very early on in life

[haughty girder]

It's so bad I need to make sure nobody accidentally bought it

the DT880 premium and pro are good, the black edition is garbage

[steel escarp]

Dropped deez nuts in your mouth

[haughty girder]

inb4 you realize klaus is your mom

[molten lotus]

real

[steel escarp]

DT880 is undetailed and has bad dynamics

[haughty girder]

You sure yours isn't just broken?

[steel escarp]

Its like DCA except you don't pay a 800 euro premium

[haughty girder]

DCA is detailed, just compressed

[lean grove]

None of greys equipment is broken. Especially the ones that he personally modifies.

[steel escarp]

The noire 2

[haughty girder]

yea, detailed, just compressed. (Still better than hifiman closed back)

[steel escarp]

The aeon closed x is compressed

Hifiman closed back is big yikes

He400se twice as detailed as dt880

[lean grove]

Compression can easily be mistaken for detail

[steel escarp]

Dt880 is just diffused

[molten lotus]

define compression

[lean grove]

Here we go again

[steel escarp]

We need the Chinese market to take the 100 euro open back dynamic market seriously

Like it shouldn't be that hard not not create something shit if you have a good driver

Companies just won't because of their greed

[unique wind]

buy sundara

[steel escarp]

I got the hifiman edition xs

[unique wind]

buy used he1000 v1

[steel escarp]

I am waiting for arya organic measurements

It's hard to find a used he1000v1 with original pads in good shape. Heck with a headband in good condition. Most of the units on ebay are trashed and still over charge.

[unique wind]

get in line

[opal lark]

my speakers died recently and im looking for new ones but dont know what im looking for is there any brand that i should look for

hopefully a 2.1 setup

[lean grove]

Genelecs are pretty reputable

[opal lark]

damn they aint cheap

[lean grove]

Did you want cheap

[unique wind]

is it for a tv setup or a desk setup

youll also need to tell us your region and budget

[opal lark]

desk pefferably under 100 usd

[haughty girder]

So reputable some people faked listening to them

So there was this guy who was like claiming Genelecs were overrated

we questioned him "have you even listened to a set before?"

He apparently listened to passive genelecs...

(for those that don't know, that's not a thing)

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-happy-tell-me-more-im-listening-gif-6058186

#audio-tech message

[tepid torrent]

Man is stupid

Maliciously stupid

I own a subtonic storm btw

[lean grove]

I've got two

[ornate linden]

imagine not lying about your gear on discord

literally no downsides

[dry stratus]

why lie about it

also... the downside is some noob reads it, thinks you've got experience when you don't
and spams your DM

no point to lying unless there is something to gain...
and that something is not a temporary few second feeling

[ornate linden]

I dunno I've seen a fair of people who lie about their experience in an attempt to fit in better with certain groups or push a narrative

maybe not here, but in other servers I don't think its that uncommon

[lean grove]

Nobody lies about their gear goose, you're making that up

[dry stratus]

selfie?

[leaden cloak]

Yeah nobody lies.

Now excuse me I need to go back to listening to the Minecraft soundtrack on my custom pink Sennheiser HE-1 which I have. Yes

[cosmic wraith]

what 2.1 pc speakers do you recommend in Romania up to 62 euros?

[molten lotus]

I tried that USB C to 3.5mm apple adapter that everyone seemed to recommend

it's no better than the asus onboard....

maybe gigabyte and msi have shit onboard audio

[leaden cloak]

Asus actually has pretty good onboard audio

[cinder flax]

I can't help but wonder:
when you use the Optical Out on your Mobo audio, shouldn't it bypass the mobo audio and just passthrough any digital audio straigh to whatever AV-Receiver you've got plugged in on the other end?

[molten lotus]

What optical out

i don’t have it heh

spdif abcdefg

[cinder flax]

This one: was more of a personal question as that's what I use for my speakers

[molten lotus]

there is zero reason for a $9 dac to beat an onboard solution

unless said solution was poorly implemented

looking at you, cheap aorus boards

[leaden cloak]

Yeah I mean, that’s basically how it works. Although it still is part of the board’s audio. I don’t know if it’s any better or worse but probably about the same

[molten lotus]

all optical out does is convert your audio signal to fiber optic signals

both are digital

your digital to analog decoder and amplifier will be handled by equipment that the toslink connects to

[cinder flax]

Yeah, so for optical out it shouldn't matter how good your onboard audio is, there it should matter how good the DAC in your AV-Receiver is, right?

[molten lotus]

you can think of it as taking the audio circuitry off the board

[molten lotus]

yes

[dry stratus]

there is 1 big reason why it does
barely anyone uses onboard so no point to put any budget towards it

most just use USB headsets or wireless

[molten lotus]

most people use onboard

it comes with the motherboard, do you think most people would know what a dac is or why they would care to get one when the one by default already works great

[dry stratus]

barely anyone uses onboard

because everyone uses devices that bypass it

USB headsets?, don't use onboard

the one with cheap IEMs?, aka your mother with her laptop

not her gaming desktop

they have no reason to put good onboard on these things, so they don't

most of those using wired use laptops these days or old desktops (like those in their later years still with their old dell or beige box)

[cosmic wraith]

Focal ase 165 ok?

[reef plinth]

👨‍🏫 can you say that in a whole sentence?

[cosmic wraith]

https://mediagalaxy.ro/boxe-auto-focal-ase-165-60w-rms-2-cai-16-5cm/cpd/SPAASE165/

Romanian pls

Tanks

[buoyant vale]

I guess not

[cosmic wraith]

?

[reef plinth]

Nu știu, uită-te la reviews și fă-ți propria părere

[cosmic wraith]

Ok

[wintry mirage]

are the JBL your one m2 headphones good

for listening to black metal

[tender frost]

Likely no

[cosmic wraith]

https://youtu.be/HdPYsEcD0_E

[wintry mirage]

the current JBL headphones I have arnt loud enough

JBL club 950nc

[tender frost]

Good, developing tinnitus at an early point in your life sucks

[wintry mirage]

I have had it for 6 years

would the tour one m2 be any better than my club 950nc

specs seem better

[cosmic wraith]

Car

[wintry mirage]

ignore any frequency tests of the 950nc they all do it in wireless which is only good for calls

[tender frost]

All JBL headphones are kinda just bad for sound quality/listening to music

[unique wind]

jbl

[cosmic wraith]

Car audio man

[wintry mirage]

have u ever tried a good pair of them

[unique wind]

just bad listening

bose

basic overpriced speaker enterprise

[wintry mirage]

what is better headphones I can get

I like the ones that offer wired and wireless

[unique wind]

i don’t know of any that sound good both in wired and wireless

[wintry mirage]

I don't really care about wireless

[unique wind]

if you don’t need wireless then you would probably like akg k371

[wintry mirage]

how loud are they

seems not much less than the jbl

more than my current

[unique wind]

depends on your own amp

[wintry mirage]

I use my phone most of the time for my headphones

that's why I use the JBL ones they have a built in battery to provide extra power

[unique wind]

i’m recommending the wired ones not the bluetooth ones, but the k371 are extremely sensitive so they’re easy to power

a phone dongle would get them quite loud

[wintry mirage]

I don't use a dongle

I just use the 3.5mm headphone jack

[tender frost]

Buy Other Sound Equipment

[cosmic wraith]

https://mediagalaxy.ro/subwoofer-activ-mtx-trt8p-140w-rms-20cm/cpd/SPATRT8P/#reviews

[tender frost]

The battery is there for powering the wireless part when that's active lol

Otherwise the signal you feed in will bypass the internal amps and all that

[wintry mirage]

if you turn them on while wired it gets a lot louder and more bassy

[tender frost]

Unless stated otherwise, this is how they work

[wintry mirage]

no Bluetooth on

[cosmic wraith]

Ok??

[tender frost]

Oh they're that kind of headphone

[wintry mirage]

what are some better headphones then that are under the price of the JBL tour m2

I tried some Bose headphones before they sounded terrible so I don't want them

[cosmic wraith]

?

[fallen mulch]

qc35 is good

[wintry mirage]

I tried some expensive Bose ones and they sounded bad compared to my cheaper headphones

[dry stratus]

Reason?

[wintry mirage]

didn't sound clear and too bass heavy

[molten lotus]

unsurprising

which did you try

[wintry mirage]

can't remember it was in 2020 or 2021

looks like the generic wireless ones

like £250

[dry stratus]

Quiet comforts are fine at least

[wintry mirage]

I might just go ahead and get those jbl headphones at some point

I believe it's a 4 year warranty and lifetime "support"

and I get student discount

[molten lotus]

if you didn't like bose you will surely hate jbl

which has made a single good headphone ever

[wintry mirage]

i have used JBL headphones for 5 years

a few different ones

and I like how they offer wired option

[molten lotus]

ive made my warning

feel free

[stark mist]

I liked some of the earbud style jbls

[dry stratus]

Somebody should try to find a way to put etymotics on the utws

[unique wind]

u do it

[haughty girder]

They already did

it's just expensive

[dry stratus]

I want some wireless in ears… but so hard to find

[haughty girder]

...nekocake

...galaxy buds

[unique wind]

just get airpods pro gangster

[tidal karma]

Hi, i just found an onld speaker system but it has +/- wires only, is it still possible to convert that to 3.5 mm hedphone jack and use them with desktop?

[haughty girder]

you'd need an amp

[unique wind]

[haughty girder]

you can get a functional one for as little as like 9 bucks on aliexpress, just search up "amp board"

note that there WILL be background hiss

[tidal karma]

can i use rasberry pico?

is this one okay? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005644509122.html?

bruh

[buoyant vale]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005644509122.html?

cut it off after the ?

[tidal karma]

thanks

[buoyant vale]

no worries

[wintry mirage]

what's the difference between 70ohm headphones and 250 ohm

[buoyant vale]

180

[haughty girder]

250 will need more voltage, but at a given sensitivity, will be easier to run

all amps can scale voltage up and down far easier than amperes

[wintry mirage]

I use my phone for music usually

sometimes my computer

[haughty girder]

yea it would probably work, as long as you have a power supply for it

[tidal karma]

so i need additional 100W psu?

[haughty girder]

a DC 12v-24v psu that supplies up to 5a

Which means that if you have a 12v psu, it'll just be 60w

it doesn't really matter

[wintry mirage]

I'm just looking for headphones around £115 ± 30

best sound quality possible

[tidal karma]

i found an old asus laptop 19V-4.74A power supplay which sould work

[haughty girder]

yes that should work if the recepticle is right, you can give it a shot

if it doesn't work, directly solder to the contacts OR find one that does (it's often guesswork)

[tidal karma]

power cable or speaker wires?

[haughty girder]

power cable

[tidal karma]

k thanks

[haughty girder]

Oh actually, if you don't need the power supply anymore and are dedicated, they include a plug

just cut the plug off the stock charger, strip the wires and shove em in (with correct polarity indicated by the plug)

[tidal karma]

I have multiple of those so it shouldn't be a problem

[haughty girder]

I assume you mean shouldn't, in that case awesome.

[steel escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1068625334238449934/1098293052419874826/20220511_232443.jpg

Make a custom balanced cable while you are at it

My best cable so far

[unique wind]

grey the cable surgeon

[steel escarp]

I learnt how to solder, dw

[haughty girder]

I'd give this a solid 7/10

maybe 7.5

[molten lotus]

impressive ngl

compared to the first clusterfuck you posted in sg

big improvement

[cosmic fern]

anyone know link for real leather earpads for cloud 2

[dull rover]

Okay so I’ve come to my conclusion for headphones but would like some input, should I just get the wired K371s for desktop use only, or go with the K371BT so I can also use them with my other devices, I’ve heard the sound is different, I’m no audiophile but I wouldn’t want to spend more for noticeably lesser of a sound

[oblique thorn]

Can someone recommend me a headphone DAC and Amp for around 300aud

[molten lotus]

can anyone recommend me a audio setup for around 150 USD. will be used for pc and ps5

[real lichen]

I have gotten hd600s and they work with my fiio btr5 with the cable that came with it but I have to almost max everything. Should I get a balanced cable to use the balanced output?

[dry stratus]

I should just get surgery done to my ears to make in ears fit properly

[haughty girder]

why not

[real lichen]

People have been telling me I probably just have bad hearing and that I should get loud volume out of the unbalanced output but I've heard otherwise online as well

[real lichen]

Do you have any idea?

[haughty girder]

The balanced output on btr5 has more power

[real lichen]

Can you recommend any balanced cables that work well? Nothing fancy just the cheapest cable that works well you know?

[haughty girder]

Just about any cable will do

[real lichen]

It has to be 2.5mm for the btr5 though right?

[cinder flax]

I know that's the case with the BTR3k, but I thought one of the upgrades between the 3k and 5 was that the 5 also uses the dual-chip approach for the standard non-balanced output to get the same power output on both

[high spoke]

g535

[haughty girder]

You need two for two channels anyways

The main thing with balanced is that it can handle more power while being less prone to interference and such as they run separate grounds

which unbalanced does not

[haughty girder]

Yep

[lean grove]

i didnt need this much cringe today

please delete this

[unique wind]

[ornate linden]

is this dude posting his own tiktoks

[lean grove]

And SoundCloud tier rap.

[dull rover]

Nothing wrong with SoundCloud rap, but there’s something wrong with that

[teal fern]

Hey gd evening, could someone link me on to a genuine apple type c to 3.5mm adaptor? I was advised to use one for better audio quality or something

[buoyant vale]

i didnt need this much cringe today
please delete this x2

[lean grove]

@nimble flame this dude @runic remnant just been reposting his weird song.The TikTok video has him grabbing his dick.

[molten lotus]

Hey I have a scarlet solo and a sm57 could someone help me out with the obs settings?

[teal fern]

Sennheuser 400s
Is that a decent budget option?

Anything better for the same price?
50usd

[tepid torrent]

ksc75, or kph30i

Best headphones up to like 150 usd

[fresh burrow]

any good mic that I can use both at school for recording lectures, and at home for leisure use? Budget is suppose to be $CAD 68 dollars, but I can extend the budget
like anything for Memory Express or Best Buy

[dry stratus]

I wouldn’t recommend sennheiser closed backs

[teal fern]

ok

[lean grove]

try and find a lapel mic. thats what the pros use.

[fresh burrow]

huh, I thought that people would use something like this: https://www.amazon.ca/Microphone-MAONO-Condenser-Professional-Recording/dp/B07M7BHYT1/

[lean grove]

oh are you sitting at a desk?

i pictured you walking around

[fresh burrow]

well I will be moving around, but mostly sitting on a table yes

[lean grove]

a lapel mic would also work tbh.

it'd be cheapest and most versitile

[fresh burrow]

oh wait, for more calrification, I am a student

[lean grove]

even more sense

[fresh burrow]

I am just sitting on a table

[lean grove]

the maono, or fifine, or w/e will be fine yeah

but if you're not used to setting up sound equipment then you gotta make sure you're not maxing out the gain and you're keeping your mouth close to the microphone

however when you turn on the camera you're gonna look hella corny with a massive mic and pop filter in front of your face (ask me how I know)

[fresh burrow]

What about the Blues? can they work too? https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/category/computer-microphones/32953?icmp=mi_microphones_recording_equipment_and_accessories_shopby_computer_mic

[fresh burrow]

yeah, tell that to Youtubers lol

[lean grove]

well youtubers know their audience

i got a lot of "wow thats a big mic. are you a singer?"

(i am not)

all those best buy mics will work
however they're a bit overpriced

the only mic on that list that's worth the money is the elgato wave. you can find dozens of blue snowballs on ebay and facebook marketplace

thats what i did

[fresh burrow]

is the elgato wave omnidirectional?

[lean grove]

no\

nor should it be or any other mic that you plan on sticking on a boom arm

[fresh burrow]

I see

then I wonder why this has those 4 modes: https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/blue-microphones-blue-microphones-yeti-usb-microphone-black-2070/10361788

[lean grove]

Because uninformed people make the mistake that more options means more better. Or that they might one day use these just in case.

[fresh burrow]

yep, that's me there 🙃

[cosmic wraith]

Hyperx

[ivory tangle]

Is the Rode NTH100 good

[nova wagon]

build quality is pretty fine compare to similarly priced offerings
sound quality wise, its kinda iffy

[ivory tangle]

oh

what would u reccoemnd instead

[nova wagon]

akg k371 or k361

[ivory tangle]

371 is 215 and k361 is 200 which is outta budget for me (180aud)

[bright osprey]

How does everyone feel about the FIiO FH9?

Was considering getting it

[bright osprey]

@steel escarp @buoyant vale Mind ecplaining why?

[steel escarp]

Too much treble

[bright osprey]

It does have different filters

than can be put onto the nozzle to slightly tune it

[steel escarp]

Fuck around and find out

[buoyant vale]

KZ ass tuning
way overpriced
FiiO

[steel escarp]

Multiple drivers in an IEM doesn't make it good

The Moondrop Variations is also a disappointment despite its supposedly perfect tuning

[bright osprey]

By chance are their any other options for semi open design iems?

[dry stratus]

Fml

[bright osprey]

[buoyant vale]

Get salnotes Zero and don't tape the vent up

[bright osprey]

[gloomy verge]

sup, i got a new pc and somehow my system sound is kinda low, i put everything too 100%, but somehow i find it too quiet compared to my old pc. is there anything i can do ? hope this is the right channel to ask for help

[molten lotus]

the volume of a computer is unrelated to the % of the sound

it is related to what headphones/speakers you plug in and the output power of your motherboard sound card which I presume you use

you need to purchase hardware to fix this

[gloomy verge]

ok im using the same headphones than before, so its bcs of my onboard soundboard then?

and what kind of hardware can help me there?

[molten lotus]

an amplifier

or a dac amp

which is the same thing but has a dac as well

I am on the audiophile side of the spectrum so I am unsure what would be the cheapest solution to this

[gloomy verge]

but the mainissue im having is that my soundboard on the new pc is the issue to my 'problem' ?

and this can only be fixed by gettin an amplifier

or would other headphones also do the trick?

[molten lotus]

other headphones can do the trick

you can buy a more sensitive headphone

and that would work

[gloomy verge]

is there a way to find out which headphones are more sensitive?

like a number which states how loud it can be or sth

[molten lotus]

basically your sound card in your motherboard is not as strong as the previous one

[molten lotus]

yes, google (headphone name) sensitivity

bigger the number more sensitive

but if your motherboard volume is very low, it is probably not a very good audio item

stuff like asus boards manage to be loud and clean sounding

[gloomy verge]

i got the MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK

[steel escarp]

A fiio k3 will be a good budget usb amp

[gloomy verge]

i think my previous motherboard was also a mag tomahawk

but a gen older

[molten lotus]

motherboard sound cards are wacky man

they have low inconsistency

[gloomy verge]

so whats ur best solution to this, just get an amp ?

[steel escarp]

A dac+amp combo unit

[molten lotus]

a dac amp is a good investment

[gloomy verge]

are they built in ?

[molten lotus]

it is something that wont really get become redundant

[molten lotus]

nope

usb

good stuff isn't integrated

if you want stuff better than what you have, you can get integrated stuff, but that will only be better than what you possess, not good

[gloomy verge]

u mind linking me a good dac amp?

[molten lotus]

budget?

[gloomy verge]

i have absolutely no clue what that stuff costs

so i dont even know what my budget has to be

😄

[molten lotus]

uh idk

just name me something you aren't willing to pay

[gloomy verge]

let say ~50

not more than 100 ?

[molten lotus]

I can recommend good quality stuff but it might be wasted on your headphones/speakers too

[gloomy verge]

yeah i dont wanna invest in sth i dont really need

i mainly game on my pc

[molten lotus]

erm grey recommend fiio k3, im unsure of its price but you can consider it

[gloomy verge]

but that all became so quiet is bugging me

on my previous pc i never was at 100% and it was louder than it is now on 100%

[molten lotus]

honestly, I don't know man

I do audiophile stuff I don't generally recommend stuff solely to make things sound louder

the cheapest audio related item I generally recommend is zen air dac at 100$ but it is probably an overkill for someone who just wants louder audio

[gloomy verge]

yeah i appreciate the effort anyways

just didnt know who to turn to with my problem

[molten lotus]

you can try your luck and buy random cheapo fiio amps, I can't vouch for the quality however

[gloomy verge]

i might aswell get a new headset since mines falling apart anyways

[molten lotus]

I can help out with that contrary to the amp problem

what is your budget

[gloomy verge]

for headphones?

around 100€

[molten lotus]

yeah

[gloomy verge]

not more than 150 id say

[molten lotus]

mic needed?

[gloomy verge]

nope

but i dont mind if it has one on it

[molten lotus]

do you mind open backs

[gloomy verge]

im using a standalone mic

[molten lotus]

or do you really need isolation

[gloomy verge]

uhm open backs?

[molten lotus]

basically they have no audio isolation but sound good, generally.

sounds bleed in and out

[gloomy verge]

i think i need isolation

[molten lotus]

you sound unsure lol

[gloomy verge]

yeah im still confused what u exactly mean

im not a native english speaker

[molten lotus]

basically with open backs you can hear outside noises clearly

[gloomy verge]

no i want isolation then

[molten lotus]

with closed backs there is some audio isolation

[gloomy verge]

closed backs = they surround my ears?

if yes, then i want that

[molten lotus]

not really

[gloomy verge]

😄

[molten lotus]

like

with closed backs, the back of the headphones is literally covered

with open backs there is a grill

[gloomy verge]

ah then its whatever

[molten lotus]

its open, the headphone's "speaker" is exposed to outside

[gloomy verge]

yeah

can be open

[molten lotus]

in that case, akg k361 and k371 for closed backs, and hd560s or dt880 250ohm for open backs

akg k371 is the same as k361 but has more bass and is more expensive

hd560s is good multimedia but is little a bit worse than dt880 for gaming and dt880 can sound a bit exhausting to listen to because of exaggerated high frequency sounds

[gloomy verge]

and they would also solve my issue with the volume?

[molten lotus]

I am unsure, that is a different question

what is your current headphones

ill compare them

[gloomy verge]

Logitech G432

[molten lotus]

chief, that headphone is super sensitive lmao

I doubt you can find a headphone louder than that for your motherboard

[gloomy verge]

rip

well, ill think of getting an dac amp then

thank you for ur big help

[molten lotus]

you are welcome

[gloomy verge]

ok weird thing

its connected via usb atm

when i sue the other connection (dunno what its called - via pin?) its louder

way louder

i guess the left one is a sort of amp ? it came together with the headset

thats how i always connected it with my old pc, but the way its connected now (like on the pic) its the same volume i had before

well i guess this fixed my issue xD

@molten lotus sry for ping, thought u might wanna know 😅

[molten lotus]

lol

np

yeah that's a usb dac/amp

[gloomy verge]

still confusing why this makes the volume less loud on my new pc

[molten lotus]

that thing is basically a sound card

that usb device

[gloomy verge]

i just accept that i solved my issue haha

thx man

[fresh burrow]

now reading this message got me thinking, I was going to ask what do people use to not make themselves corny.

but then I realized the answer: a lapel mic

[lean grove]

lapel mic or a humble communication headset

[vast quarry]

ok my logitech surround active system is really inconsistent rn (sometimes it works on sometimes it just stays off)

looking for a replacement at a decent price/value range, around 500€ at worst (although ideally around 200€). probably a passive as well to ensure upgradeability, and bc modular hardware is the shit.

still unsure what to buy exactly, a soundbar, some good stereos or a full on 5.1 again? oh, and skip all the shit like bluetooth capability, microphone support and rgb if it ensures a better overall audio product. as long as it has aux im good.

my current (broken) one is the "Logitech Z-5500". id prefer to upgrade from that in terms of sound quality

[lean grove]

500 for a good 5.1 sound system is pretty tight

[vast quarry]

really? worst case i can bend my budget a bit but id prefer not to

[lean grove]

a good reciever and amp normaly run for 500 alone. the cheapest ive seen for a new, fully capable one, is around 200.
then for subwoofers, they also go for around 100-200,
which leaves you 100-200 to spend on 5 speakers, averaging 20-40 per speaker, which is extremely cheap for a speaker.

[vast quarry]

but i dont want to get a cheap plastic sound system that breaks after a year just to "save money now"

[lean grove]

thats logitech

where are you using these speakers and what for

[vast quarry]

mostly for a bit of music, and for gaming when i want to relax a bit more

like, when playing couch coop with friends

for the really competitive games where you have to be accurate i have my audiotechnikas

logitechs bass was really bad from my experience, youd hear 80% of the bass outside of my room and it was hard to turn it up without drowning the music in it

but surround was nice

[lean grove]

hmm. i would recommend a 2.0 or a 2.1 stereo system. gonna be more boom for your buck

[vast quarry]

yeah i expected that

are soundbars worth?

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[vast quarry]

what is their advantage over typical stereos

[lean grove]

there's something called hoffman's iron law of speakers.
you can pick two between:
small
loud
bass

[vast quarry]

cause if its just "you can hold it in your hand :>" then fuck that

yeah if the size is the only reason to get soundbars, i dont really care

[lean grove]

but the take-home from the law is that small speakers are compromised. they need a lot of extra work to get them to have any bass, they usually off-set that to a subwoofer, but then you have a subwoofer doing a lot more work than it really should

yeah the only reason to get a soundbar is the size

if youre short on space

https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-Bookshelf-Subwoofer-Bluetooth-Wireless/dp/B077Y6PHKQ

how do these look to you

[vast quarry]

overall or size-wise

[lean grove]

overall

edifier is one of the better value-oriented speakers.

so feel free to look through their catalog and see what tickles your fancy

[vast quarry]

i mean i cant say that i really like the look but its not bad either. so if its best value id steer towards that

[lean grove]

just dont get the shiny red eggs

[vast quarry]

yeah if the sounds system's entire appeal is mobility then skip that. unless its minimal upcharge. i got both a bluetooth box and headphones already. this one is for a home setup i dont plan on regularly moving

[lean grove]

wanna be my guinnea pig?

[vast quarry]

how so

[lean grove]

how much are the Edifier R2850DB

they should be pretty close to your upper budget

[vast quarry]

245€ on amazon

[lean grove]

these ones?

[vast quarry]

those look really fucking basic

which isnt a bad thing, just that if the sound is good i dont care (much)

[lean grove]

up until you realize that theyre huge

[vast quarry]

oh fuck

[lean grove]

i just want someone to buy them because they might be kinda funny

edifier makes good speakers

[vast quarry]

they look so funny

like resized

[lean grove]

but these are just. big speakers

big speakers can be hard to design well

[vast quarry]

yeah i get that

IF theyd be good value id buy em i think

[lean grove]

but the reviews seem good. and 250? that's pretty cheap

here they're $500 usd

[vast quarry]

yeah, but depending on the price you get a lot of those "not good but good for the price" reviews that give it 5 stars

so thats why im here, not amazons user review sorting

[vast quarry]

hm maybe its my lucky day

[lean grove]

i'd buy em for 250

[vast quarry]

theyre 400€ new here

but if thats a good deal ill definitely strongly consider it

but at this price range (in general) i will have to give it at least a day

[lean grove]

in that case id get the S350DB

smaller speakers are easier to manage

can place them in more convienent spots and therefore you cna find their sweetspot easier

[vast quarry]

oh sorry, i meant as in without the reduced price

[lean grove]

oh okay

[vast quarry]

theyd be 400 if there werent reduced

as opposed to 500$ on your end

tldr -40%

gotta make some space in my room but if these giants are good value then to hell with living space!

@lean grove what is the reputiation of edifier in terms of QA / longlevity?

[lean grove]

i have yet to hear a complaint

[vast quarry]

considering they are active speakers, i worry that i wont be able to salvage them if the internals suddenly have issues

[lean grove]

well. technically you can. its just gonna be more work.

[vast quarry]

but if you say the reputation is good i might buy them sooner than later to save me the stress

[vast quarry]

no i dont mean literally salvaging parts and selling them seperately

[lean grove]

you'd need to find a 3 way DSP amp or a 2.1 way , which are about $50-$100, and then program it yourself.

[vast quarry]

unless you mean sending it in for repair

[lean grove]

oh i see

[vast quarry]

ill pretend like i understood that

[lean grove]

its not hard per se but it asumes you know how speakers work.

[vast quarry]

hm fair

is it the kind of tinkering that can be easily done with the help of yt videos

[lean grove]

yes

[vast quarry]

hm, i do love needlessly modding stuff. so maybe thats a hidden advantage of active speakers

ill be on the lookout for some good reviews on these giants and ill get back to you once i get them (or decided otherwise)

thanks for your input <3

[lean grove]

well. there's no reviews unfortunately

which is why i said you'd be my guinnea pig

edifier is hugely popular, but these speakers are surprisngly obscure

[vast quarry]

they arent THAT big tho

surely there must be one review

one reputable that is

i assume these dont need an external subwoofer do they

[lean grove]

need? no

but they're able to use one just in case

[dull rover]

Could anyone help me come to a conclusion

[lean grove]

id get wired

[vast quarry]

ok so, my brother just told me he got some "JBL control one" he didnt use

but no system

[obsidian urchin]

I'm considering the Klipsch R-50M or R-51M for bookshelf speakers for my home office and a R-101SW subwoofer, I've got a Modi I was planning to use as a DAC for them. Any suggestions for an amp to go with them?

[lean grove]

get the whole schiit kit and kaboodle. magni and a rekkr.

[molten lotus]

I don't recommend the modi

it's almost equivalent to an apple dongle but 92$ more expensive

zen air dac is better

[molten lotus]

What do u guys think is the cheapest but still easy way to get an airplay audio solution using a pi or pi alternative

[dull rover]

Alright

[meager berry]

I'm stuck between two $130USD headphones

Anyone have personal experience to sway me one way or another on Soundcore Q45 vs Marshall Major IV?

I'm already using Soundcore earbuds for my phone/Switch but want a fuller headphone experience to replace my cheapo bargain bin gamer headset I have for my pc

I don't care abt onboard mic since I already have one

[obsidian urchin]

Hmm, anyone know how a Rekkr would compare to something like a Yamaha R-S202?

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio_visual/hifi_components/r-s202/index.html

Would still be using the Modi I already have for the DAC

There's a number of features the R-S202 has I'd use.

[pure lake]

Would an RCA to 3.5mm be bidirectional? I want to record the radio and plan to take a fm stereo unit and use rca out to a 3.5mm headphone jack and then plug that into my motherboards aux in and record using OBS. Does this make sense?

[lean grove]

Yes they're bidirectional

[leaden cloak]

RCA don’t care, it likes it both ways

[weak rapids]

omg finally

Logitech is shutting down blue microphones

the end of people buying blue yetis

[unique wind]

now let's shut down production of the shure sm7b

or make it required to have a license to buy one

[weak rapids]

yes

so many better options

sm7b has become the new Yeti except this one is actually destroying peoples bank accounts lmao

[real lichen]

The people in the dankpods server are calling me death for using the unbalanced output on the btr5 which is not rated at all to run the hd600s via that and saying it gets plenty loud but I have it almost cranked and it's just barely at the loud range and maybe I am death but I'm going to get a proper dac and amp

@haughty girder Are the magni and modi good? And, do you think I'm deaf like they are saying or the fiio btr5 actually does struggle a bit to drive these?

[haughty girder]

How loud are you trying to get em

[real lichen]

I mean on spotify on almost max on everything it gets loud but some games it won't get very loud maxed out

[haughty girder]

BTR5 unbalanced is enough to get HD600 to listenable levels

[real lichen]

So I need something to crank it in some games

[haughty girder]

this is the same with dongles and most other small devices with unbalanced output

[real lichen]

It is listenable but to me it's not very high detail you know?

[haughty girder]

You could give 2.5mm balanced a shot. Modi Magni is a fine combo

[real lichen]

Like more volume does generally = more detail anyway and well a better dac and amp I feel like could get more detail out of these

Because I have a feeling the hd600s really shine with something better

[haughty girder]

the modi IMO isn't worth it, just get 3.5mm to RCA and use your BTR5 as a dac

the Magni is fine, good power for a good price

[real lichen]

I do have onboard audio too that sounds good but just doesn't get loud enough. Can you even use an internal dac and external amp? LOL

Might just btr5 as dac but like I do like the idea of magni and modi

I'll be fine as long as I don't run into Kratos LOL

[haughty girder]

yea ofc

a dac is a dac for the most part

Different branded chips often have a distinct sound, but for the most part negligible

[real lichen]

Regardless I have a 2.5mm cable coming. I had trouble finding them for the hd600 so the one I got is cheapish but reviews were good except some said the left wires were finnicky but that's probably not a big deal probably could diy fix them

Mines just some realtek shit though I think is what come with my mobo

I didn't really touch it but once just out of wanting to try it though

My last time with realtek stuff it wasn't bad just the software and all and drivers were a pain

Should I get magni+ or heretic?

[haughty girder]

Realtek hasn't been considered even decent for ages

[real lichen]

I think both say they can drive high end headphones fine

[haughty girder]

Magni all the way

wait

[real lichen]

Can I just use the stock cable with the magni?

[haughty girder]

yes as long as you have the 3.5mm to 6.35mm adapter

[real lichen]

That's the one that comes with the headphones right?

The big one that you can put over the 3.5mm part

[haughty girder]

yes

[haughty girder]

Heresy/Heretic are all measurements

they aren't good.

Magni 3+ (used) and Magni+ are better

[real lichen]

I was checking amazon and they have magni too but it's more expensive on amazon than the offical website

[haughty girder]

shipping

[real lichen]

Well it says Magni+ or Magni Heretic

[haughty girder]

yes

They share a name

even tho they

sound nothing alike

as is the case with the Heresy and Magni 3+

which are the older versions of both

[real lichen]

Is the regular magni+ good?

[haughty girder]

yes it's better than the heresy/heretic

[real lichen]

Is it the 3rd one or no?

[haughty girder]

they're made for good sound, not good measurements...

[real lichen]

Can you explain kind of what that means?

If it's good sound does it really matter?

[haughty girder]

Magni + is the 4th one... lol

[real lichen]

I mean I assume the headphones are really the big factor generally anyway as far as good sound or no

*not

[haughty girder]

For the most part, headphones make the biggest diff

[real lichen]

It says Frequency Response: 20Hz-20Khz does that affect what my headphones can do too or not?

[haughty girder]

Ok so, it's known that the heresy/heretic (similar) are made to measure very well. So in testing with tools, they show very good data. But when it comes to subjective listening, it's often described as "dead" or lifeless

[unique wind]

propaganda

[haughty girder]

it is

[unique wind]

i don’t agree with you

[haughty girder]

I'm just saying what it is

Aaaand this is where the audiophile aspect comes into play

Some people believe that amps can sound diff

[real lichen]

Hd600s aren't super bass heavy but some songs you can actually hear some bass and the quality isn't bad just the amount of bass isn't super high

[haughty girder]

Others don't

[real lichen]

Though some people said these have like no bass

To me they do have some bass

[haughty girder]

They have mostly flat bass, with a rolloff as expected of an open back dynamic headphone

[real lichen]

not bass heavy by any means but these aren't without some punch

My k371s for sure had more bass but it's not like these sound lifeless

[haughty girder]

your own hearing will be the bottleneck

[real lichen]

So what's the best ears for my setup? LMAO

[unique wind]

believing in amp/dac sound differences and shying away from measurements is like believing in god

[unique wind]

buy some elf ears

[real lichen]

Well amps and dacs can obviously affect how much power you get

[haughty girder]

Very very poor comparison

[unique wind]

yeah and the power demand of headphones is also extremely blown out of proportion

[real lichen]

You can't drive hd600s as good out of an nintendo as you can a proper amp and dac

[unique wind]

it’s the same thing, it’s a faith

it’s not measurable and in blind tests the argument doesn’t hold up

[haughty girder]

yet even based on scientific process nobody can disprove it

but

[real lichen]

I just want something better than my btr5 because even if it sort of gets enough volume most of the time, I want more headroom you know? Is that weird?

[haughty girder]

I'd rather keep religion and politics out of here

[unique wind]

yet another religion argument

[haughty girder]

It becomes a HUGE mess

[unique wind]

like when people say “prove god doesn’t exist”

it’s your job to prove he does, not mine to prove he doesn’t

[real lichen]

Like sure I can get loud enough but I would rather get loud at like half volume than max but maybe that's just me

[haughty girder]

Also pisses me off

Burden of proof fallacy

[unique wind]

nah i feel you

i bought magnius to have more power even though i didn’t actually need it

[real lichen]

Which to be fair the btr5 isn't offically made for something like hd600s generally anyway

[unique wind]

i just wanted the headroom

[haughty girder]

Go for Magni+, avoid the Modi

just use your BTR5 as a dac

[real lichen]

Yeah because I just need more volume is all

Wait how does my btr5 hook to my magni?

[haughty girder]

3.5mm to rca

[unique wind]

but keep in mind also the fact that they may sound less loud than they actually are due to their bass and treble roll off

[real lichen]

3.5mm to the fiio and then rca to the magni?

[haughty girder]

Treble rolloff is mostly fine, bass rolloff is mainly in the low bass area

HD600 is popular for the mids

[unique wind]

yeah but even flat bass extension is already much lower bass presence than you’ll experience with any speaker setup

[haughty girder]

True!

[real lichen]

I came from akg k371s and I kind of wanted my hd600s as endgame and to me they are fine just I might actually want to buy more headphones oh god

I actually feel like I need like 20 different sounding ones now

I told myself this is it but I think I might be getting addicted

[haughty girder]

Yea this is why I recommend people to avoid audio if they don't have disposable income

[real lichen]

I have a little disposable income but not like 1k on some headphones amount you know?

[unique wind]

if you want to experience a ton of different sounds for less money the in ear monitor market is humongous

new iems launch every second

[real lichen]

See I'm not an iem guy

[haughty girder]

the most I do is gift someone a pair of iems that are better than apple earpods, but don't tell them the audio stuff

[real lichen]

In ear stuff never fits well for me

I do have some APP 2 that fit and don't sound bad imo

[haughty girder]

well, here's where you spend a bunch and find something comfy

[unique wind]

you should check out oratory1990’s list of eq presets on reddit

[real lichen]

Crinacle said they were good

[haughty girder]

APP2 are good

[unique wind]

i think he has multiple for the hd600

[haughty girder]

he has to I'd imagine

[unique wind]

you can try new sounds without paying a dime that way

it’s all free

[real lichen]

I tried autoeq or whatever for hd600 and liked stock better

Same with me akgs

It seemed to just like get rid of all the extra subbass

[unique wind]

yeah i think sundara and hd600 have the most iirc

[real lichen]

Some times I want to put on headphones and have a bass boost like I may weird in that I actually really like stinky bass sometimes

[unique wind]

well the akg k371 have a shit load of bass

so you’ll always have those

[real lichen]

I will say with my open backs I think during the day I might not use them as much

[unique wind]

it has more mid-high bass and more subbass than harman

[real lichen]

For sure can hear everything basically like I have no headphones on

They don't leak as bad as I thought though

Like not through closed doors bad

[unique wind]

i love being able to hear everything

i wish there were in ear monitors that were fully open

[real lichen]

Well I have a noisy house due to parents and all so sometimes I prefer isolation

At night sometimes I will use my xm4s. The over ear ones are just bloated bass but the anc isn't bad

But man they sound awful

[haughty girder]

K361 is better sort of... its ear gain region can be a little more shouty, and afaik it's got more subbass than K371, but overall less bass

just Harman 2013 things

[real lichen]

To be honest I didn't mind the bass but some bassy heavy songs either sounded good with the boost or just awful

It really depended on the song

Some songs with little bass you can't even tell the bass boost

[unique wind]

i love a massive bass boost for some kinds of music

[real lichen]

But I think any more subbass would be excessive

[unique wind]

a ton of bass fatigues me with headphones though

i prefer having a subwoofer cranked far too loud

[real lichen]

I won't lie the quality of the bass on the xm4s is terrible but can I admit that with some songs I kind of liked the amount of bass? Like, not for long term listening but sometimes I want my ears to shake.

[haughty girder]

That's never been disagreed upon lmao

Literally who doesn't just crank the bass once in a while

and just forget audio quality

[real lichen]

Even with eq those xm4s have a shit ton of bloated bass and I didn't really realize it till going back to them after using k371s

[unique wind]

conpin

[real lichen]

Like there is no quality or anything it's just bass LOL

[haughty girder]

Other than hearing damaged pin

[real lichen]

I'd say xm4s are the old beats

[haughty girder]

nah

[unique wind]

in my opinion if you start the bass shelf low enough it doesn’t affect vocal clarity

[haughty girder]

Old beats were straight up broken

[real lichen]

I never tried the beats though

I never touched them even when I didn't know audio well

[haughty girder]

new beats are fine

old beats are... a little less fine

It's not even bassy

[real lichen]

They were expensive but it's still just like all shitty parts besides just the audio

[haughty girder]

well, it has midbass bloat for the older stuff

but they roll off super soon as well iirc

[unique wind]

if you have +10 at 150-200hz it’s gonna sound pretty bad with most music but if it’s +10 below 80hz it’s separated

[real lichen]

Are the airpods tuned by apple or beats?

[unique wind]

apple owns beats

[real lichen]

I know but does beats tune any of the apple stuff or just the beats stuff?

[haughty girder]

nah just the name

[real lichen]

Like I won't even like

[unique wind]

get skullcandy crusher evo and put it on max wack

[real lichen]

I got an iphone 14 and like a macbook and even an ipad (Look apple as a company I don't like but I like the ecosystem okay sue me) and the speakers on all of them aren't that bad tbh

Even my iphone is good for a phone speaker imo

And considering how tiny the speakers are

[unique wind]

apple has the lead for speakers in devices like that

macbook pro 16” speakers are pretty solid

[real lichen]

See I have the 13 inch 2020 one I think

I think the 16 inch macbook has high impedance jack too right?

According to apple

Not sure if true

[haughty girder]

It just means that it can deliver higher voltage

which may or may not hold true, not really that difficult to do

[unique wind]

it’s a very basic system but yeah it’ll switch between two voltage levels depending on the impedance of your headphones

it’s just a higher power headphone jack than other laptops have

[real lichen]

Which to be fair, "pro" products are rarely even pro quality imo

[unique wind]

i could easily give myself hearing damage with iems plugged into it

[real lichen]

Which some people swear by applications that are only on macs

But I hate how ipads are almost computers but not quite which is probably on purpose so you buy both

[haughty girder]

Apple has been taking the pro name pretty seriously lately actually

most of their pro products are actually pretty good

[real lichen]

They could just put macos on ipads if they wanted to

[unique wind]

apple is trying to make all of their devices able to perform most of the same tasks

[real lichen]

But you know then why buy a mac over a ipad

[haughty girder]

they really shouldn't

[real lichen]

Maybe I should just try the balanced output before getting a new amp though

The cable comes tomorrow

[unique wind]

i mean yeah it has triple the power

[haughty girder]

lmao

[real lichen]

Jesus why are some songs mixed so loud

Is it that whole loudness war thing?

[unique wind]

you’d be surprised how stupid a lot of music producers are

[real lichen]

American idiot is always far louder than like most songs I listen to

[unique wind]

and artists

and content creators

and even esports professionals barely know how the equipment they use works, they’re just good at the game

[real lichen]

If I get enough power out of the balanced does that mean I can get high volume hd600s on the go? LOL. I wouldn't use them out and about because open back but it's funny the idea of that

Just on an airplane with some hd600s

Any headphones can be isolating if you burst your eardrums

And you can't hear people complain about the sound leakage either if you're death

deaf

[unique wind]

🧠

your genius is frightening

crank up the volume

[real lichen]

Also no worry about sound quality if you jam a knife and stab both your eardrums

Everything sounds the same then

[haughty girder]

normally you want the peak to be about -2dbfs

while recording, you want average to be around -18dbfs

while streaming, average at -12dbfs

[real lichen]

Also I use Spotify and I know some people swear by other audio services but to me Spotify is fine and I tried Apple Music lossless before and didn’t notice much difference. Also, Spotify runs on anything.

[haughty girder]

I use spotify as well

if you use spicetify you can see the max audio level

[real lichen]

I think lossless doesn’t make as big of a difference as people think. I’m not saying it makes none, but it’s not worth an extra cost imo

[real lichen]

I also wish Spotify would hurry up with their lossless

They talked about it a long time ago

[haughty girder]

I can guarantee you 99% of people can't tell Lossless from a good lossy