audio-tech

[haughty girder]

This

[unique wind]

look at amir’s graph

crinacles are very smoothed

[unique wind]

very sloppy

[haughty girder]

That's the fun part

[unique wind]

+5db from 500 to 1500hz is not fun it just makes it sound weird

the ear gain section on that headphone is totally fucked

the treble and bass are fine i guess

[haughty girder]

I'd recommend trying it out before judging based on graph

[unique wind]

i don’t have to try it

[haughty girder]

..

ayt

whatever you say

[unique wind]

i can hear much smaller differences than those

[haughty girder]

either way idk edition xs are better except for the headband

compared to sundara*

[unique wind]

eh

[haughty girder]

And the headband is horrible

[unique wind]

if you want the hifiman dip sure

[haughty girder]

I mean

they respond to eq decently

[unique wind]

i don’t like the dip personally

[haughty girder]

Acquired taste maybe I think

Kinda like wine

you either like it or you hate it

[unique wind]

i don’t perceive it as widened soundstage

i just see it as ruining vocal presence and placement

[haughty girder]

Mhm

wouldn't widened soundstage just be more pronounced air?

or is that IEMs only

[unique wind]

the ear gain region seems to determine how centered, clear, and present the vocal is for me

air frequencies can make it sound more spacious or higher resolution

[haughty girder]

Ye

That sounds abt right

[unique wind]

i think the air frequencies are a notable reason why people like xs so much more than ananda

thats my guess anyway because thats basically the only thing different in the graphs

i wish reviewers cared more about measurements beyond 10k because theyre very important

no clue why people think it has a ton more bass than ananda because that portion is barely different, practically just unit variance

[haughty girder]

they are, but it's impossible to measure because people's ears are different

[unique wind]

if you put a lowpass at 12khz you can see how much spaciousness and detail is lost

[haughty girder]

Like even between my left ear and right ear, my left ear boosts sounds much more than right

In the ear gain region and at certain frequencies actually hurts

[unique wind]

funky ears

[haughty girder]

Yea

[unique wind]

how would you measure your own ears

[haughty girder]

ear molds

certain companies do em

[unique wind]

i want custom molded solid state earphones

absolutely perfectly smooth 20-20khz with zero resonances and 0.125ms decay

[haughty girder]

they send you a silicone mold kit and you basically make a negative, send it back and they make it

that's what they do for ciems too iirc

But yea most ignore high freq because it's too variable

[unique wind]

i think as long as youre comparing measurements made on the same rig they're fair to look at

[haughty girder]

Which doesn't happen because capitalism

And every company wants to do their own take

And that only affects what you would hear relative to another headphone, rather than what you would hear full stop.

[unique wind]

yeah but that's enough to make an informed guess of which has more upper treble

[haughty girder]

Fair enough yes

[solid bobcat]

hello

[unique wind]

hi

[solid bobcat]

at 500 dollars and below what would you recommend?

for headphones

[haughty girder]

priorities is separation right

[unique wind]

test

ok internet back i think

[haughty girder]

yep it is

[unique wind]

there are many good options under 500

do you have any particular things that you want

closed or open back, bass heavy or neutral, headband style, etc?

[weak rapids]

I fee like the standard sub $500 recommendation for someone who hasnt said what they are looking for is hd600

[haughty girder]

idk Hd600 sound great but are far from the best for separation

it's better than the 650/6xx for sure

but idk I'd even say k612 is better at separation and staging

[unique wind]

well what do you mean by separation

do you mean imaging

to have good imaging and separation between the bass, vocal, and instrumental then frequency response is the most important

gotta get the ear gain and bass regions correct

[eager quiver]

hows the HD6XX vs the K612 pros?

[unique wind]

theyre more different than they are better or worse

[haughty girder]

separation of instruments

I'd consider it staging

[unique wind]

i would take sundara over k612 pro if you want a big open suspension strap circle headphone

hd 600/6xx are very different fits

[haughty girder]

I wouldn't, but sundara might be more reliable if you don't want to solder (ironic)

akg headphones with that earcup design have really tight tolerances for the wires that go from headband to drivers and can snap...

[unique wind]

hd 6## are much shallower and more oval with a more traditional headband

speaking of sundara i havent worn mine since i got my hbb khans

imma put them on

gotta whip out the 0.78mm pin to 3.5mm adapters

mm externalization go brrr

https://tenor.com/view/woo-yeah-oh-yeah-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-twitch-emote-gif-22353490

[haughty girder]

lmao

[eager quiver]

I thought theyd sound similar in that neutral reference way

Sundaras worth the 100 bucks jump?

[unique wind]

if you want circle open back headphones yah sundara can be endgame

very comfortable, removable cable, very easy to eq

(very comfortable if you like headphones that clamp on your head)

if you don’t then you might not like them

[fringe mist]

hyperx cloud 2 no bassboost option and i cant update my headset to high defeniton audio

[eager quiver]

Ive only ever tried the m50x and 1000xm4

[unique wind]

ive only seen the bass boost option when i was using the default windows audio drivers, it disappears after installing realtek drivers

[fringe mist]

How do I re install Realtek drivers

[molten lotus]

separating different sounds

use a hd6xx you will understand

[unique wind]

6xx is boomer hearing simulator

[haughty girder]

Nah

[fringe mist]

@unique wind how do I re install

[unique wind]

i dont remember how to roll back drivers in windows

[fringe mist]

fuck

[molten lotus]

just eq

[unique wind]

real

equalizer apo >>>>>>>>>> windows generic bass boost

[fringe mist]

i cant find a good temp for good bass boost

[unique wind]

i dont understand what you mean by good temp

[molten lotus]

template?

[fringe mist]

YES

[molten lotus]

make your own eq profile

with a good eq program

[steel escarp]

xbass is the best bass boost

you can combine zen dac v2 and zen can bass boost if you use the rca interconnect

its nutty

[lean grove]

humble moment

[steel escarp]

its a 20dB bass shelf

[unique wind]

jesus christ

use that with akg k371

+30db

[lean grove]

how to kill your amp

[steel escarp]

worst case it clips

[lean grove]

worst case you hook it up to a speaker amp and it clips into your headphones

[steel escarp]

speaker amps for headphones are dumb

well, if it was class A

[lean grove]

i have a class A (ish) speaker amp for my headphones

[steel escarp]

doesnt that get hot af

[lean grove]

its a class AB speaker amp thats mostly class A for headphones

sits at around 45 degrees C

one day i'll have a real class A amp for the desktop. maybe monoblock some amp camp amps.

[haughty girder]

Class A for headphone amps are fine

95% inefficient is still 20w or less

speaker amps is where it becomes bruh

[lean grove]

aune x7s

200 mW class A balanced, no heat sink

just a warm aluminum brick

[south portal]

Can anyone please suggest some good microphone manufacturers?

[lean grove]

why not just ask for a good mic reccomendation

[south portal]

Yes.

[lean grove]

how much money do you want to spend

[south portal]

Any budget.

[lean grove]

any budget

okay. neumann has some expensive stuff

earthworks too

[south portal]

What makes the microphone expensive?

hyperx quadcast s, is it a good microphone?

@lean grove ^

[lean grove]

a better microphone has more accuracy and a cleaner pickup pattern. sometimes the microphone sound changes as you move on other sides of it. so a microphone that sounds the same as you move, but also does a really good job of blocking out nosie from stuff behind and around you, is what makes a microphone expensive

also the tech inside hisses less

[haughty girder]

Elgato wave 1 (designed with lewitt) is a better mic

[lavish warren]

condenser tech over dynamic at a basic scale

more expensive to produce

karaoke mics are dynamic, SM7B is condenser

most dynamic mics still look like the former

haven't researched past that though

but if you're interested, look at tube mics :p

and the mic Linus uses for WAN show, Electro Voice RE20

its as much a rabbit hole as headphones/speakers, mind you
Sorry for one liner msgs

[lavish warren]

Shotgun/camera/lavelier/USB or XLR to name common categories

[lean grove]

a lot of that isnt true jka

[lavish warren]

I can tolerate criticism

perhaps you can answer for me 👍

[lean grove]

there are vocal mics that are dynamic and condenser.

and you'll see condensers in a lot of place, more places actually

[lavish warren]

true

[lean grove]

there are cheap condensers for like $30

and cheap dynamics for $30

also sm7b is definitely a dynamic

tube mics are also a big meme

[lavish warren]

huh

lemme check

oh hell

mb

[lean grove]

there's tradeoffs. dynamic mics are usually easier to throw around and are more durable. they're much more simpler built since they dont have internal electronics to make them work

its just one piece

[lavish warren]

condensers sound ass to me

esp blue snowball lul

[lean grove]

most of the stuff thats recorded by professionals is done with condensers

[lavish warren]

seems like the SM7B is the Susvara of mics 🤣

[lean grove]

no

it really isnt

[lavish warren]

blame Amazon ig

do the two sound indifferent past a certain price point?

or rather, if studios provide them

[lean grove]

i think that condensers generally sound a bit crispier and have better transients

[lavish warren]

can vids be posted here?

or links?

[lean grove]

try it and find out

[lavish warren]

https://google.com

that worked

[lean grove]

sure did

[lavish warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96sKQWenfSk

this guy using condenser or dynamic?

go audiophile mode lul (figuratively)

[lean grove]

cant tell

[lavish warren]

oh

so would they sound similar then?

[lean grove]

if i had to guess id say a dynamic

[lavish warren]

like only visually differing

[lean grove]

he seems like he's got some compression going on

[lavish warren]

hmm

skip to 4:25

[lean grove]

https://twitter.com/priusOBS/status/1237623001845121024

DJ (@priusOBS)

@vooCSGO whats this toilet paper flex

Twitter · Mar 11, 2020, 6:14 AM

this from 2020

but he's got an sm7b and a dbx

[lavish warren]

oh fair

[lean grove]

which is like what 50% of streamers ahve

jerma uses a condenser

[lavish warren]

pigbrain clutch incoming, condensers pick up some room noise yes?

are dynamics noise cancelling by nature/this as a distinct feature?

[lean grove]

assuming all specs is the same, dynamics will pick u pick up just as much room noise as condensers

[lavish warren]

reee I wanna stream what to buy 😭

not an SM7B fyi

[lean grove]

its just that dynamics are a lot less sensitive so people naturally put them closer to their mouths, which will be louder relative to room noise

yeah good

waste of money

[lavish warren]

AT2035 comes with more than just a mic, phew

shock mount + pouch iirc

[lean grove]

do you have any subs yet

[lavish warren]

nope

haven't streamed in my life

just a thought

I did binge Gaming Careers and Ludwig for advice kek

gotta mature first, so a long way away

[lean grove]

everything you need to stream you already got.

so no need to overspend on gear when you dont have any reason to

[lavish warren]

well, sans mic/possibly audio interface/organised life

webcam can suffice, mic is horrible

apple spoils of profit

[lean grove]

you can use a headset mic. something like a pc37x

[lavish warren]

hah

[lean grove]

$100 and decent mic and decent headphones

[lavish warren]

and not be bludgeoned by guardians?

have a 700 pro x already

[lean grove]

ah

[lavish warren]

I was just giving examples

typical newbie be like

[lean grove]

who

[lavish warren]

doctor?

that was just for fun

[lean grove]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/46b660fe4596fbe07ac0a61c34245a26/582f059981db44f5-26/s250x400/338142c31964f59cc878c242d750acb5a38a2d5f.gif

[lavish warren]

if you are interested in the test however- http://abx.digitalfeed.net/#

[south portal]

What is the difference between dynamic and condenser microphone?

[lavish warren]

dynamic has less moving parts, less sensitive than condenser

need higher gain/be closer to mic

so if you stream for instance, and you're reading an extract to your fans your speech might be muffled if your head dips down below the mic

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/Y01N_L1VA4I

[lavish warren]

ah yes thank you

[lavish warren]

this happen with SM7B? @lean grove

[lean grove]

yes

any mic with a non-omni pickup pattern will have this problem

[lavish warren]

or if you own something like a studio desk (think music producer desks with 3 "storeys" and lots of storage cutouts) could be a pain to move your mic aside and grab something/risk elbow punting the boom arm to topple over desk edge

[lavish warren]

sounds like dynamic mics give certain people a definitive american accent with the slurred "R"s

[lean grove]

there are a lot of different dynamic and condenser mics

they can sound very different

especially after you EQ them and put them through sound processing

[lavish warren]

would this work with streaming?

[lean grove]

its baked into OBS

so yes

for good audio, vocal processing should be expected

unless you have a really nice mic, acoustically treat your room, have a pop filter, speak at the same volume, and never move your head

[lavish warren]

so probably Thoughty2 or voice actors in mundane scenes

[lean grove]

voice actors should be doing vocal processing

unless they're at the same time extremely lazy and extremely perfect

[lavish warren]

even for animated film voiceovers?

[south portal]

Can anyone suggest good headset?

[lavish warren]

if you have separate mic i suppose you can go audiophile route (budget in mind)

whats budget

[lean grove]

the difference is that they dont do anything live. there's a goon in a booth who makes sure that they're loud enough, or getting rid of hissing or whatever

[south portal]

Any budget.

[lavish warren]

you fine with separate mic?

[lean grove]

audeze maxwell

so really the voice actor shouldn't be doing much themselves. the goon is an audio engineer whos making sure they're able to get a good recording that they can manipulate later

[lavish warren]

To start, try the philips SHP9500

[lean grove]

no

[lavish warren]

here we go again

nvm

[lean grove]

like how the camera operator makes sure that the camera is exposed properly, nothing is too dark or too blown out

or how lighting makes sure that things are accurate.
really a lot of the dramatic flavor is added in post production with color correcting

when you have the luxury of not being live, you can do the same

[lavish warren]

closed back budget option - Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (I've heard people talk about buying 80 ohm variant over others)

[lean grove]

also

no

both mediocre picks.

[lavish warren]

heh

what you got

studio monitors?

[lavish warren]

speak your wisdom.

I was about to suggest IEMs

[lavish warren]

Ik he said regardless of budget

sure its an option, the HD800S

or HD800

[lean grove]

hd800

[lavish warren]

I tried those personally for CS:GO

💀 too much

[lean grove]

yeah they're not that good for gaming

[lavish warren]

felt like it was overdoing the soundstage

[lean grove]

i think @south portal should get the audeze maxwell

[lavish warren]

what, and look like the rock in a year?

ig different people different experiences

[lean grove]

560s + external mic is also a good option

[lavish warren]

DT 700 pro x isn't bad

I'm using those rn, EQed they're great

clamping force ymmv

[lean grove]

but shp9500 are just. very mediocre. and 770, i guess if i had to get a closed back i'd consider them. but not when the maxwell is within budget.

[lavish warren]

whats so great about maxwell?

good BT support?

can it forgo a mic?

[lean grove]

BT support, 2.4ghz transmission, mic is detachable, DSP'd to harman, 80 hour battery life,

[south portal]

Does headset use condenser microphone inside?

[lavish warren]

I'd say so

uihh Techpowerup as source

talk about mic capsule...

Cooler Master MH something review

[lean grove]

oh and the maxwell has god-tier noise suppression baked into the mic

[lavish warren]

welp there you are then

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/BL4J77VtXBg

[south portal]

I have a question about specific microphone. https://hyperx.com/products/hyperx-quadcast-s-usb-microphone?variant=41031692058781 , is it a good microphone?

[lavish warren]

oh wow better than I expected

looks wise

[lavish warren]

could get better

[lean grove]

$160 is steep for a gamign mic

lots of useless features raising the price

pickup patterns, gain, rgb

[lavish warren]

and no noise gate

[lean grove]

noise gates are rare baked into the mic

[lavish warren]

I meant not in software either

Maybe consider the Audio-Technica AT2020+ USB variant if an audio interface is beyond budget

[lean grove]

this kid has said no budget at least 3 times

[south portal]

@lean grove Why is gain a useless feature for microphone?

[lavish warren]

sorry instinct

Audio interface can adjust it, placing it on the mic would be a pain

[south portal]

What does that mean by audio interface?

[lavish warren]

Stuff for XLR mics

Provides phantom power

[lavish warren]

Baked into windows

💀

[lean grove]

idk jka, i think i wanna make this as simple as possible for cola

usb is the way to go for this one

[lavish warren]

Ok

Choose blue Yeti

Blue Yeti X to be specific

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-frustrated-wolf-of-wall-street-annoyed-smh-gif-9553858

[south portal]

Actually I am talking about USB microphone.

[lavish warren]

Wait

Bad memory

One sec

Rode NT-USB

[lean grove]

$160 to make sure people with walmart headphones can hear your voice in full clarity over gunshots and footsteps doesnt make sense to me man, idk

[lavish warren]

only quip is poor stand

[lavish warren]

Uhh @lean grove approved?

Hol up

[lean grove]

applies to $250 mics too

[lavish warren]

EDITED!!

Sorry I haven’t talked about mics for ages

It’s at least somewhat cheaper

[south portal]

Separate question. Is using arm for microphone good?

Or stand like blue yeti is enough?

[lean grove]

a mic arm is mandatory unless you want people to hear your keyboard and mouse clicks louder than your voice

[lavish warren]

Or want to fiddle obsessively with noise gate/cutoff lmfao

And speak like hagrid which probably won’t work

[south portal]

Thank you all. I need to leave.

[lean grove]

🫡

[lavish warren]

Last thing - ideal setup for mic: Rode NT-USB + PSA1 mic arm

both equally reputable

Just no guarantees on how long the usb cable is

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/indecisive-i-dont-know-not-sure-larry-david-gif-5682454

psa1 has a reputation for have too strong of a spring and not working with lighter mics

[lavish warren]

And I’ve been fragged again

Right what about the one that starts with S

SMR?

[lavish warren]

https://digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/the-best-boom-arms-for-your-microphone-when-vlogging-podcasting-or-filmmaking

please evaluate

aha, two things people mount upside-down; GPUs and standalone mics

[weak rapids]

I can confirm, could BARELY use my xm8500 on it

[unique wind]

malt barley

[cunning sage]

any audiophiles here, does galaxy buds 2 pros sound worse on an iphone ?

cause it uses different codecfor samsung

[unique wind]

technically yes but it would be very challenging to actually hear the difference between the bluetooth codecs

[white gate]

Yes, but it's because apple devices are limited to AAC codec for third party bluetooth headphones unfortunately

they do not provide support for the decent codecs like Aptx HD and LDAC

[coarse vessel]

SteelSeries Arctis Nova 7x wireless vs Logitech G Pro X LIGHTSPEED wireless vs Razer BlackShark V2 Pro wireless

[weak rapids]

Bad vs bad vs bad

Audeze Maxwell

[haughty girder]

they're all garbage

[south portal]

Why are they garbage?

@haughty girder @weak rapids ^

[haughty girder]

first two have reliability issues, all three are tuned horribly

[south portal]

Can anyone suggest good headset?

[haughty girder]

forgot what the newer one was called (psa2?) but psa1 also had issues with the internal spring squeaking...

[weak rapids]

Psa1+

[south portal]

Can anyone please look into my question?

[unique wind]

sennheiser pc38x

[steel escarp]

zeos face review

ngl he looks like he should have a deeper voice

[lean grove]

Zeos face is old news

[nova wagon]

audeze maxwell as some other have said

[haughty girder]

ah yea, so Psa1+ fixed the psa1's issue with squeaking springs

[haughty girder]

he's a pedo I have no respect for him.

[steel escarp]

okay

and?

[unique wind]

[steel escarp]

that is your personal opinion. he has not touched a child before

[lean grove]

[unique wind]

so how about that topping estat energizer

[lean grove]

Would be cooler if they had a pro bias and a normal bias

Srd-7mk2 and speaker amp is still cheaper, albeit marginally.

[unique wind]

knowing topping there’ll be five more versions before 2024

[agile moon]

Even aside from him being a pedo, he spreads a dick tonne of bad audio advice and recommends products based off of how much money he stands to make off his affiliate links. Dudes a cancer in this hobby.

[lean grove]

I haven't seen an FR of the Stax transformer, I'm wondering where they roll off. Since they have some transformers in the middle that steps up the voltage from the speaker amp.

[steel escarp]

like 98% of reviewers in the hobby never pull out a frequency response graph and have shit opinions, he is just popular

[lean grove]

Direct drive should be better. Hopefully.

[steel escarp]

you watch zeos because you want to hear him rant for 20 minutes, entertainment. not for advice

[lean grove]

But I know some Stax nerds who say the srd-7 is endgame

[agile moon]

I wish everyone saw it that way. I stopped watching him years ago after falling for his shit recommendations twice in a row.

[steel escarp]

💀

got zeos shilled

[agile moon]

Theres also an uncomfortablely high probability that he's a pedo also

[steel escarp]

nah he is just like the average anime enjoyer

on the weirder side

[lean grove]

Not the iron-clad defense you think it is.

[steel escarp]

maybe I am desensitised as long as its about fictional characters, idk

[agile moon]

Damn

Can't even critisize pedos here

[steel escarp]

he is sus af

but like I don't think he genuinely is a pedo

[lean grove]

[steel escarp]

I understand why people would think so tho

[lean grove]

@unique wind have we gotten squiggles on moondrop estat

[agile moon]

Considering how many pedos have been ousted in audio I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. This hobby attracts them for some reason, especially stax

[haughty girder]

you find someone spewing garbage information for 20m entertaining?

[steel escarp]

I want to watch some drama rn, which youtubers have been outed for that?

[steel escarp]

yes

[haughty girder]

it's moreso anime moment but yea

[steel escarp]

tho I have to give zeos props for being on point when it comes to the build and comfort

[agile moon]

No youtubers that I can remember, but at least 6 people on discord in the last like 4 years

[steel escarp]

I don't see many reviewers pad swapping as well

[agile moon]

Because pad swapping is only successful less than 1% of the time

[unique wind]

i didn’t know moondrop had an estat headphone

[steel escarp]

and he literally just reviews anything, people like joshua valour or dms only release a new video so often

[unique wind]

i have almost no knowledge of estats or any gear for them to be honest

[agile moon]

Jv is like a less pedo version of zeos

[unique wind]

there are only a handful of objective audio reviewers

[steel escarp]

I tried the STAX SR-L300

honestly for the price it was good

but the problem is the energiser costing so damn much

treble was maybe a little much

it was also just good, not special, edition xs was more enjoyable

[agile moon]

I've never been wowed by an estat

[unique wind]

main problem with estats are that they have shit bass extension and require special gear

but id love to try one eqd

[steel escarp]

shang jr estat was okay, didnt wow me either

[agile moon]

And their price to performance is abysmal

[steel escarp]

isnt there a new topping estat energiser?

[unique wind]

theoretically shouldn’t they have better upper treble performance than dynamics and planars

[steel escarp]

was this already being discussed just now?

[unique wind]

yeah if you scroll up nils and i brought it up

[steel escarp]

how is it?

did you pair it with the jade 2?

oh you didnt hear it

[unique wind]

nope

the only way i can try anything is by owning it myself

[steel escarp]

or going to a store

[unique wind]

if i want to take a 5 1/2 hour train ride yeah

[steel escarp]

worth

[unique wind]

not worth

[steel escarp]

I drove 2.5 hours before to visit a store

for hifi

I got this 1200 euro amp that is perfect for dymamics, it made hd800s sound good. but I have no great dynamic to pair it with

what should I buy

beyerdynamics dt1990?

I can get a focal clear for 600

new

hd800s was just all stage, no detail

[lean grove]

Audeze crbn has good bass extension

[unique wind]

you right that’s cool

i thought it was an inherent characteristic but i guess not

must just be staxs designs

hifiman estats are full range too

[lean grove]

Bass extension is typically a result of seal.

Stax have really thin pads really big pads

[haughty girder]

????

just wait till you get into speakers

[steel escarp]

a headphone can never reproduce what a subwoofer can

[unique wind]

speakers>

[steel escarp]

nah

[unique wind]

headphones at this point also cannot reproduce the frequency response linearity that speakers can

unless you consider eqing to diffuse field as doing that but no headphone does that passively

[steel escarp]

my ears are too fucked to make any sound judgement atm

I go to the doctor tomorrow, praying this issue that I had for 4 months gets resolved

no bass, no treble in left ear

[unique wind]

ur going deaf

it's all over from here

[steel escarp]

why would bass decrease

[unique wind]

say goodbye to audiophilia

[steel escarp]

its fluid in my middle ear

[unique wind]

you had a good run

[nova frost]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/fiio-k9-desktop-dac-headphone-amplifier/

[steel escarp]

tho I do possibly have the genes to go deaf

my grandma was just always deaf from a young age

[haughty girder]

fiio = bad

[unique wind]

nexgen = noob

[steel escarp]

fiio k7 is good

I should take my audio setup to my ear doctor

would be funny

[unique wind]

pack your bags grey

this is your early retirement

[steel escarp]

its literally just fuild in my middle ear

the gp has already confirmed this

it needs to be drained

[unique wind]

i see youre in the denial stage of grief

[lean grove]

Rip grey

[unique wind]

[weak rapids]

Oof

If they say “it doesn’t hurt it just feels weird” dont listen

Biggest fucking lie ever

[steel escarp]

[broken heath]

What’s better philips SHP9500 or SHP9600?

[lean grove]

9500 but only because the 9600 is worse.

[broken heath]

How so?

Like I believe you, I just want to know why

[burnt frigate]

I agree with you! 💯

[molten lotus]

a bit

[unique wind]

yes i do

if it’s not an objective measurement review i might as well watch the most animated one

[haughty girder]

hm. Interesting

[steel escarp]

I can actually feel the fluids in my middle ear

its so fucked up

I used to get massive vertigo but my brain adjusted

[white gate]

Unfortunately very few places providing good objective data on audio products atm

[wintry socket]

anyone knows if i order a usb to jack 3.5mm will i be able to use my razer nari ultimate xbox on my pc wired?

[rocky spruce]

Which one should i buy?

[unique wind]

https://www.amazon.fr/Linsoul-Waner-S-G-Intra-Auriculaires-TANGZU/dp/B0BL16M8FH/

[rocky spruce]

Look hot, how good it is?

[unique wind]

it's very similar to salnotes zero but it's better overall

better build quality and accessories for less money

[rocky spruce]

Noted, thanks for the advice

[lean grove]

Shp9500 is thin sounding. The 9600 adds a gross amount of bass and makes things sound thin and muddy at the same time.

So I'd rather have thin than thin and muddy.

But also. Ksc75 is about as good as the shp9500 for less than half as much.

I'd say the 9500 is worth it if you can find it for less than $60.

[rocky spruce]

What?

I dont understand what youre saying @lean grove

[unique wind]

they were replying to someone else

[coarse vessel]

Does anyone in here actually have the Audeze maxwell?

[unique wind]

no

[coarse vessel]

I’ve got them sitting in my cart but I’m struggling with pulling the trigger based on just the videos I’ve seen lol I’ve heard back and forth but mostly good

[unique wind]

it’s probably the best wireless headset but if youre okay with a wire the sennheiser pc38x is better

[coarse vessel]

I’m definitely wanting wireless tbh

[lean grove]

Oops I didn't reply

[lean grove]

@broken heath

[broken heath]

I see

[boreal aurora]

L'acoustics KS28 is the best, change my mind

[haughty girder]

Just cause you used em once for an event doesn't make em the best btw

[boreal aurora]

Didnt use em once tho

Used them like 23 times now

So I personally think they the best

[haughty girder]

good for you

you think they're the best because it's all you've used

[lean grove]

Nex have you seen what the ks28 looks like

[haughty girder]

irl by itself? no

outside in a chain yes

[lean grove]

Okay. It's a massive subwoofer

[haughty girder]

ye

It's not exactly rare

[lean grove]

Do we know why a massive subwoofer meant for concerts isn't actually "the best"

[boreal aurora]

Nah used other stuff too, Im doing this for the past 8 years

Mainly doing Hardcore Rawstyle stuff, its very fun

[lean grove]

Yeah idk man. You do you.

[haughty girder]

explain hardcore rawstyle...

[lean grove]

Just make sure to be respectful of the people that live around you.

[boreal aurora]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4oZtirjSXL5C0Rj9A3XAYx?si=73f56e32a9a94410

Rawstyle

[haughty girder]

oh dear

[lean grove]

It's a shallow attempt to disguise a bass beat as actual music.

[haughty girder]

If it wasn't on spotify I'd have assumed it was some sort of ad proposing truckers to use white noise instead of beeps

https://youtu.be/6rwJ5NCf1Vw?t=83

[haughty girder]

people listen to this stuff unironically?

[boreal aurora]

Yes

[haughty girder]

🙏 for their ears by goodness

[boreal aurora]

Example A

[haughty girder]

bro their headbanging and fist pumping doesn't even line up to a beat 💀 😭

[lean grove]

Tinnitus Speedrun

[haughty girder]

and there's a shirtless attempt at dancing

[unique wind]

@boreal aurora

[boreal aurora]

Dont usually listen to Phonk

[boreal aurora]

I Have Ear Protection They Dont Me 1 - 0 Ravers

[haughty girder]

I have sensibility in music taste y'all don't Me 1 - 0 Rawstyle...?

[boreal aurora]

Oooh you dont want to hear the rest

https://open.spotify.com/track/1RlgbpVPI9v735OIS80CA0?si=420e238ed12640ec

Ouch

Trust me your Ears will bleed

[haughty girder]

this is the closest I've listened to I think

https://youtu.be/y7pi5VGTEz0

9 years ago when the song was still new.

[boreal aurora]

Dubstep stays dubstep

I also like Trance

https://open.spotify.com/track/1RVqhwj9PoeL1JEKCtL07C?si=99358cfc1f144d13

Pretty chill

[haughty girder]

From time to time Dubstep and Drumstep makes its way into my playlist

[unique wind]

i have unicorn on ketamine in my playlist too

[boreal aurora]

Hehe

Great Guy

And dont tell me its MBKETAMINE

[unique wind]

are you gatekeeping

[boreal aurora]

Dont even know the meaning of Gatekeeping lol, Im a dumb german

Aaaah

Nah, I work in Lighting

[unique wind]

no it’s like when Person 1 says they like a band and Person 2 says “really? name 5 songs and not the popular ones”

[boreal aurora]

Aaaah, MBKETAMINE is legit the most popular one from Unicorn on Keta

I actually have a picture with him somewhere

You Know GPF?

[lean grove]

It all makes sense now.

[boreal aurora]

Cmon, Im in the Netherlands often too haha

POV: Me

[lean grove]

Fire alarm music

[boreal aurora]

Nah

[sharp basin]

What's the best audio interface for light music listening and gaming? I'm planning on getting some HD 6xx, and would like an amp to go with my free no name RadioShack mic.

[south portal]

Hello, is Logitech a good headset maker?

[lean grove]

No

[south portal]

Why not?

[lean grove]

Because they're poorly tuned.

Cheaply built

Don't sound good.

[south portal]

Logitech G Pro X , is it a good headset?

[lean grove]

Not as good as the pc37x

So no

[south portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVIAN3WGGxA , here, Logitech G Pro X is suggested best headset, I think.

[lean grove]

Why are you asking us for advice if you're not gonna take it

Buy whatever you want man.

[south portal]

Question was: why did they review Logitech G Pro X as best headset?

[lean grove]

Because they had a bunch of really bad options and picked one they liked I guess

Idk

YouTube tech reviewers don't know much about good audio

They tried a bunch of crap and want you to buy any of it with their affiliate links.

They get money if they tell you to buy something

So now my question is:
Why are you asking for advice if you aren't gonna use it

[south portal]

I understand pc37x is good.

Is Sennheiser a good microphone maker too?

[molten lotus]

not that I am aware of

[haughty girder]

depends on which one, they have some garbage and some really good ones

[lean grove]

Their shotgun mics are TOTL

[south portal]

What is TOTL?

[lean grove]

Top of the line

[south portal]

For microphone, which one is suggested here?

Rode, Blue yeti, Audio Technica, Shure or Beyerdynamic?

[haughty girder]

Those are brands not mics

and it depends on sm factors

[south portal]

What is sm?

[haughty girder]

so much/so many

it depends on the interface, the use case, the use environment

etc.

[south portal]

USB, home use

Condenser

[haughty girder]

assuming your room isn't sound treated?

[south portal]

You can assume that room is quiet.

[haughty girder]

home use as in for voice? is it for calls? podcast?

[haughty girder]

sound treat reduces echoing, not isolation

[south portal]

For calls.

And for recording.

Any suggestion for microphone?

[molten lotus]

recording what

[south portal]

Recording voice.

[haughty girder]

Is your room remotely echo-y?

also what's your budget

if it's more than 250 I'd recommend an interface + mic instead

[south portal]

I think, I would not hear any echo from room. Any budget.

[south portal]

Any suggestion for microphone?

[unique wind]

fifine 669 or 683

[haughty girder]

how serious are you abt recording

Or better question, how much do you care abt quality

a decent pick would be like blue ember + minifuse 1, and whatever arm + pop filter and mount

Or neat worker or king bee

[lavish warren]

their shotgun mic is highly praised by MKBHD

useful off-set/behind cam

[lavish warren]

lmao if he says nothing else just Shure SM7B :p

cancels everything, or should according to cola

[lavish warren]

simple test - if you have iPhone, use voice memos and read yourself an extract from a book

listen to it again

[lavish warren]

I did say Rode NT-USB last time

Mini variant (NT-USB mini) should be much cheaper

$99

[lavish warren]

if you don't need noise isolation no need for a headset

pc37x/38x is open-back fyi

should you record vocals, its recommended you get closed-back like a studio headphone (think audio technica m50x or sony MDR-7506)

just so the backing track/instrumentals playing through your headphones aren't picked up again by the mic you sing/talk into

[haughty girder]

I literally asked all this

calls and recording voice which i assume is casual

I'd have honestly just recommended the Elgato Wave 1 cause he specifically wanted condenser

[lavish warren]

how does it compare to Wave 3?

or is 3 just software flex

[haughty girder]

they have the same software

They're basically the same mic other than differences in physical controls

They both sound great for a USB mic, no surprise tho since they're designed with lewitt

[weak rapids]

Please no

Klaus isnt on to talk sense

You should almost never get an sm7b

Go for an xm8500

[unique wind]

if you want the style of a sm7b but one that actually sounds good the earthworks ethos exists

mostly flat response tight pattern condenser microphone

it’s wildly overkill though

[weak rapids]

I believe around the same price too

And supercardioid condensers always beat dynamic

If you somehow require a dynamic mic that looks like a podcast mic, there is still the much cheaper podmic and the really good dynamic USBs under $100 now

[weak rapids]

Tbh I believe you should never go for these high end mics for streaming and production

Are they good? Yes
Are they still worth all the money after youtube/twitch compression? No

[unique wind]

if they make someone happy why not

[haughty girder]

he wants a USB mic soooo q9u?

Not quite an sm7b style but it's still a broadcaster style mic

[haughty girder]

nah podmic is a piece of garbage

[haughty girder]

if he doesn't want broadcast mic then elgato wave 1 since its a lewitt electret capsule

[obsidian kite]

Big fan of my DT 770 pros the 250ohm model and my hyperx quadcast. Great combo!

even if the earcups do look like 90s carpet

[buoyant vale]

💀

[haughty girder]

idk man meh headphones and overpriced mic

defo bought only because streamers use it

[obsidian kite]

Don't watch Streams 🙂

The headphones are recommended by many audiophiles and mic yeah i guess kinda meh, not everyones cup of Tea. But still a great mic for the money!

[buoyant vale]

Who recommending dt770s?

inb4 people who haven't tried anything good

[unique wind]

hey at least they’re the 250ohm ones that oratory1990 has corrective eq profiles for

[buoyant vale]

770s really can't be saved with EQ

you can make them a bit less shit at best

[unique wind]

yeah the bass will always be weird

not worth trying to fix the hump

i wish he made one for the 80 ohm model so that i could use mine

[obsidian kite]

Bass yeah i agree its pretty shit. But it's not why i bought them

I bought them for the quality of the sound

it's what you'd expect for headphones from the mid to late 80s and early 90s

[weak rapids]

Ive only seen 770s specifically not recommended lol

[unique wind]

yeah i’m the only person in here that has defended 770/990 to my knowledge

[obsidian kite]

Meh not everyone's taste, but they're greatly used among musicians so it's a plus for me 🙂

[buoyant vale]

Yeah because they have good isolation

[dry stratus]

and can handle abuse

give it to your terribly destructive children

[unique wind]

i want to see the squiggles of these

https://apos.audio/products/fiio-sp3-active-speakers?

[haughty girder]

3 inchers

bleh

[unique wind]

you can do magic with 3.5inchers if they’re active speakers

you’re not getting much below 65hz usually but that’s fine for youtube speakers

[haughty girder]

fair but still

[steel escarp]

3200 euros of audio gear 💀

I got the power conditioner btw

it works well

okay nearly killed my ears after turning the volume knob to 100% to test how the noise floor was

and acidentally playing a song

[dry stratus]

because I cannot afford to spend 2k on AC, I just moved everything into the smallest room I've got

99% of the room is just TV and the bed

[lean grove]

Rookie numbers

[unique wind]

i remember my beginner audio setup, good times.

[steel escarp]

how stupid would you even go for a headphone

[unique wind]

no clue honestly

it would depend on how good it is because most expensive headphones are worse than $150-600 ones

[lean grove]

There are some headphones Id want that are in the $4k range.

But only after I have a god-tier speaker setup.

[unique wind]

i would consider the hifiman arya organic if it had better build quality

pretty sad that id have to eq it though

[unique wind]

whatchu want

[steel escarp]

I'd first want an actual room I can put speakers in

[unique wind]

overrated

having a sound proof chamber is not necessary to enjoy speakers

[steel escarp]

I put speakers in a 2x3m room

it was awful

they had to stand in the corners of my room

the room modes

[unique wind]

corner gain go brrr

who will win? 2x3 room or sealed speakers with corner bass traps

[steel escarp]

I couldn't take care of reflections or room modes unfortunately

cant wall mount stuff in my room

[unique wind]

sealed supremacy

port is cope

[steel escarp]

best I could do is room correction with EQ

[unique wind]

shit i dont even do that

i just shove socks in the ports and dont use any eq

[steel escarp]

I got a measuring mic

the difference was so big

bought it for 100 euros, sold it for 95

good resell value

[unique wind]

pretty solid

[steel escarp]

minidsp umik-1

yeah

you get to measure your stuff

find out you have room modes causing a 100-150Hz dip

and that your subwoofer is poorly placed

and the treble is ear piercing

and that you got a reflection of your desk causing a 160Hz peak

[lean grove]

Audeze crbn, maybe some zmf's,

Haven't heard them but they look like something I'd want.

[unique wind]

ill buy you crbns for christmas

[molten lotus]

why does your power cable have a dick cage

[unique wind]

no touchy

[steel escarp]

because its based

[rocky spruce]

(läßt time asking, just want to be sure) which one of those should i take?

[unique wind]

waner

[buoyant vale]

Zero > Chu

[unique wind]

ya wan'er > zero > chu

[buoyant vale]

whys it 31eur though?

[haughty girder]

Chu is a really specific sound signature that I wouldn't recommend to everyone, build overall is ok but cable is bad

Wan'er is just better than Zero

[rocky spruce]

Is there a head phone that sound just as good for cheap?

[haughty girder]

how cheap

[rocky spruce]

I dont like earbuds

[unique wind]

headphones dont get genuinely good until like $160 usd

[haughty girder]

eh, few exceptions

[rocky spruce]

Why so pricey compared to earbuds?

[haughty girder]

I'd say 100 is minimum

[unique wind]

minimum yeah but the jump to 160 is large

[unique wind]

substantially more material of course, and they're harder to design

[rocky spruce]

Yeah nah im out, ill take the earbuds

[haughty girder]

more niche market + larger driver harder to design for

LOL

[unique wind]

when i recommended the wan'er to you i saw that the QKZ X HBB Khan is available on french amazon too, if you can stretch your budget up to that you will get cleaner bass, but if not then the tangzu wan'er is good

[haughty girder]

you can find k612 really cheap and they're really solid

for closed back k361 kinda are the only option at 100

[unique wind]

isnt k612 $229

[haughty girder]

used?

They're like 150 new

[unique wind]

says 229 on their product page and 229 on amazon

[haughty girder]

?

[lean grove]

?

[haughty girder]

137 on amazon I'm seeing rn

[haughty girder]

... bruh

[unique wind]

there are cheaper listings on amazon from smaller resellers but the official amazon sold and shipped option is 229 also

[haughty girder]

top is refurb

literally nobody refers to k612 as a 200 dollar headphone

and it's one of the top reccs at 120

[unique wind]

refurb from a shitty reseller

all of the big name shippers are doing 229 sadly

[haughty girder]

https://www.thomannmusic.com/akg_k_612_pro.htm

140

[unique wind]

if that’s not a reseller that’s nice

[haughty girder]

yea thomann is pretty large

It's like sweetwater

but their main market is eu

[unique wind]

i mean a reseller selling through their site

not that thomann is one themselves

idk if they let people do that i’ve never used the site

[molten lotus]

what r u guys' opinions on the razer nommo v2 pro

[dry stratus]

I see razer, I see trash

would honestly only touch their mice if I had to...

[molten lotus]

fair enough

[rocky spruce]

Cause under is bad? Idrc about insane Bass and shit i just want it to be decent

[unique wind]

yeah basically every headphone in existence under a hundred dollars is straight up bad

unless you get a used or refurbished deal

bloated sounding garbage for the most part

then at $110 the hifiman he400se, akg k361, and at-m40x are fine, but the $160 sennheiser hd560s is a lot better

[dry stratus]

koss or IEMs mostly on the low end

[molten lotus]

wha

they should be like

120$

[haughty girder]

Ohh yea they're self hosted/warehoused

[rocky spruce]

Ah

Well ill Stick whit my shitty speaker

[tepid torrent]

AKG is funny like that

Overprices their own products

Did you know the K712 is just a k702 with different pads

But the k712 was 100 dollars more on release

[haughty girder]

did you know that Focal Elex is just the Elear with different pads?

the price is MSRP

suggested price, not actual price

[tepid torrent]

Yes

No one buys elex at msrp anyway

[open lily]

no it's not

and akg msrp doesn't mean schiit outside of europe

[lean grove]

Long time no see cat

[unique wind]

oh my god it’s cat in a box

[lavish warren]

It’s the headphones Alicia keys bought her son for piano practice

[lavish warren]

Did you ever EQ?

Also the cable is bound to make you tear up one day

[obsidian kite]

I guess people dont like them lol

atleast theyre extremely brutally honest lol

[lavish warren]

Actually you just came to the wrong place to post about them kek

But these guys are seasoned audio enthusiasts so they’ve heard better and comment for each other

[lavish warren]

There are memes about its treble response

like one YouTuber going mad from its 3k? Spike

[obsidian kite]

really?

Ive not had that issue

[lavish warren]

Maybe just put on “lucid dreams” by juice WRLD and compare your DT770s with the bass on an Arya for instance

[obsidian kite]

at all

[lavish warren]

It’s a joke

[obsidian kite]

But i didnt buy them for the bass

Like ive said lol

[lavish warren]

Mhm

[obsidian kite]

I bought them for the quality

[lavish warren]

better decision than others tho, I’d cringe if you said this about Bose

[obsidian kite]

I mean im glad people shared how they felt but i wont lie i didn't expect people to be so fluent about how badly they dislike them

[lavish warren]

I remember on my alt when last year somebody was demolished for having a positive opinion on gaming keyboards

Anecdotes didn’t matter to the keyboard folks

[lavish warren]

People are too busy singing praise about the new versions of pro lineup

[obsidian kite]

idk some people were butchering me earlier lol

[lavish warren]

The 700/900 pro x

[lavish warren]

Tech space connoisseurs are critical thinkers, don’t like it when someone is overly positive in their eyes

[steel escarp]

Dt770 are ass

[lavish warren]

the one you gnaw on, sure

[steel escarp]

I'd rather have someone punch me in the face than listen to dt770 for 30 minutes

My ears would physically hurt more from listening

Dt880 tho

[lavish warren]

Just EQ ._.

I don’t play dumb, I have several profiles for mine

[lavish warren]

Godzilla by Eminem left my ears in a coma, on the 700 pro x stock tuning

[steel escarp]

Dt770 is like the Nokia amongst headphones, at least it don't break

[lavish warren]

didn’t notice it until I did

Welp what do you own

[steel escarp]

Hifiman Edition XS

[lavish warren]

Exactly

[lavish warren]

Oh this guy

[steel escarp]

I also own dt880

Used to own lcd-2 closed

[lavish warren]

Sounds like a good week spent in a hifi store

[steel escarp]

Yeah

And I have these murder treble cans with kickass bass

[lavish warren]

After listening to the Arya I wonder why audiophile

What’s better quality?

[steel escarp]

On my previous amp xs was just better than arya

[lavish warren]

Some cans can do detail but it kills sometimes

[steel escarp]

Which means it wasn't good enough for arya

[lavish warren]

I can’t imagine Susvara endgame 💀

[steel escarp]

My violectric v222 should be able to run susvara good enough

[unique wind]

delusional

[lavish warren]

demoed it at addicted to audio, their amp needed to crank up to 70% to hit 80dB

[steel escarp]

Mine should do 110dB at 40%

For susvara

[lavish warren]

My ears were being beaten by a snare lul

[unique wind]

both amps that you own are dramatically overkill for basically every headphone on the planet grey

[lavish warren]

The bass sounded like string ruptures

[lean grove]

Cayin iha6 can't power Arya?

🤔

[steel escarp]

Arya stealth had like 10% less detail

But wider stage

[lean grove]

Yeah it must have been your amp.

The amp that people meme as the high current epic power head amp meant for the he-6

[unique wind]

yeah you need a $5000 amp to get the full detail out of arya stealth

(a headphone that costs like $100 to make)

maybe less

[lean grove]

I'm guessing at least $250

[steel escarp]

I could see that

But you are not factoring in other costs they make when you just bring up build cost

[unique wind]

if someone volume matched a schiit magni and your violectric on the same headphone you’d have absolutely no clue

[lean grove]

Is that you calling grey deaf or are you (falsely) claiming that all amps sound the same

[steel escarp]

Best I can do for volume matched compare is zen can

Against v222

[unique wind]

both

[steel escarp]

I have partial temporary hearing loss so I am to some degree deaf

[lean grove]

I'll hard disagree with one of those

[steel escarp]

I purchased the violectric while hearing impaired

I could tell even with ear in bad condition that it was better

[unique wind]

😹

[lean grove]

Michael what amp do you have again

[steel escarp]

Watch him say Apple dongle

[unique wind]

iemagni and magnius

fiio utws5 gets more use than anything else though

powers planars with zero issues

[steel escarp]

Magnius literally worse than a magni

[unique wind]

zero noise floor or clipping, gets loud

[lean grove]

Okay so you have two op-amp based clean meme schiit amps

And you have come to the conclusion that all other amps must sound the same.

[unique wind]

yes because that is what the science shows

[lean grove]

That two clean meme amps sound the same yes

[unique wind]

that all good amps are well beyond human perception

[lean grove]

But the science shows that theres amps which don't have 130db of sinad

Well that's demonstrably not true

[steel escarp]

Output impedance will also vary per amp

Different damping factors

[lean grove]

Output impedance is damping

[steel escarp]

Damping factor = headphone impedance / Output impedance

[lean grove]

Like if you get a 120db sinad amps, nested negative feedback based off of op-amps, yeah I'll say they're probably gonna be pretty similar.

[steel escarp]

Higher is better for dynamics

Higher damping factor

[unique wind]

your brain is dampened

[steel escarp]

Dynamic driver takes electricity to move but also generates electricity when moving back to neutral

[lean grove]

So do every headphone

[steel escarp]

Not planars

Anyways for bass control it's important to have a high damping factor

[lean grove]

Yes planars

For resonant frequency control*

It just happens that most resonant frequencies are in the bass

[lean grove]

Plug your edition xs into your PC's mic input and yell into it. You'll get a signal.

[steel escarp]

Don't planers not give a fuck about output impedance

Like their frequency response does not change

[lean grove]

That's because their resonant frequency isn't that big of a deal.