audio-tech

[thorny tulip]

Aah

But we would like to?

[unique wind]

i don’t know if it ever would be possible

maybe if they streamed a signal directly into your brain

[nova wagon]

Still an improvement over the ig955 so I didnt replace it right away

[unique wind]

but sound isn’t perfectly silky smooth in real life either

[thorny tulip]

Ya that's what I mean, do we WANT to stream sound waves directly to my brain? Might sound weird and artificial

Oh huh...

Additionally, the shape of the pinna (the outer ear) and the ear canal add resonances to the response of a dummy head above 1kHz, making its response even more different than that of a measurement microphone.

Geez now i don't even know what I'm looking at with these graphs.

[unique wind]

measurements are still extremely useful don’t listen to the people who pedal them as pointless

[thorny tulip]

Ok so more as guidelines then exact?

[unique wind]

they get close enough to what you’ll actually hear

they’re not that bad

for example with the hifiman he400se, the 2khz region where it doesn’t quite match the target, that’s very audible

[thorny tulip]

What in the ever loving hell happened at 10k Jesus

[unique wind]

most likely a measurement error

[thorny tulip]

Aah, lol i was like that's really weird

Why not just make every headphones match target and we're done?

Just, every single headphones sound the exact same with small variations cuz of material

[unique wind]

people have their own preferences

some people like objectively incorrect audio presentation

the target used in that audiosciencereview graph is the harman target, it has mostly neutral but slightly elevated and smoothed treble and a bass boost

[lean grove]

Targets are very complicated

[unique wind]

it’s what most people will prefer but the bass starts to give me a headache after a few hours

[thorny tulip]

Right ppl have different ears and preferences

Wait a sec, hey will Tinnitus reduce high frequency hearing?

[unique wind]

tinnitus is the consequence of hearing damage not the cause of it

[lean grove]

It's not just that. There are some curves which are preference based, having normal people choose what sounds best, but also measurement based like trying to recreate speakers in a room, or sound that is entirely delocalized.

[unique wind]

i’ve never tried a diffuse field target eq

oh hey oratory does have one for sundara

that is a huge alteration

[thorny tulip]

What's that?

[unique wind]

i don’t expect to like that but i’ll play with it tomorrow i’m too lazy to get out of bed

[unique wind]

headphones trying to sound like neutral speakers in a room

[thorny tulip]

So anyway, anyone have theories on why i can hear sounds at 30 i couldn't at 16?

[unique wind]

no clue boss

[thorny tulip]

Damn, I'm hoping to do more of whatever made my hearing better

[unique wind]

there’s no way to make your hearing better

it can only get worse

you can train yourself to be more discerning of what you’re hearing but your ear anatomy can only get worse

ear hairs can’t regenerate or regrow and damage is often exponential because you’ll keep raising the volume to compensate

just enjoy your music but don’t play it too loud

[sonic lagoon]

I am looking to buy a XLR microphone and IEMs with a $200 budget, I was looking at this https://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-M-Track-Solo-Interface-Podcasting/dp/B08R2XXYGZ?th=1 any thoughts or recommendations

[thorny tulip]

Well that's a depressing prospect

[unique wind]

nah it’ll be alright

aging is a privilege

enjoy ur tunes and don’t worry about it

[boreal solar]

my hearing freaks me out sometimes

[boreal solar]

i listen to music loud and occasionally i will barley be able to hear the person im talking to but then 10 mins later i will go outside and hear the sound of a car horn in the distance 12+ blocks away and am able to tell what manufacture made said car by the tone of the horn

[distant radish]

should I get an amplifier for beyerdynamic DT 990 PRO 80 OHM?

[lean grove]

Do you want an amplifier?

[distant radish]

how much better is it?

[lean grove]

Hard to say. If you're good at listening it can make all the difference. If you're not that familiar with what to listen for, it can be unnoticeable.

[distant radish]

I'm coming from a razer kraken

soooo probably won't notice right

[lean grove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It really depends

I think you'll survive without one.

[dry stratus]

Without sounds always so much worse

[distant radish]

idk what to do cause half say you need half say you don't and its a waste

[lean grove]

Well the 80 ohm 990s are not hard to drive.

Get the headphones. Use them. Then decide if you want the amp

[boreal solar]

if you think the bass isnt super muddy in them you dont need an amp yet

[distant radish]

do you guys recommend any other headphones instead that could be cheaper and better?

[lean grove]

Yeah the hd560s would be miles better

[distant radish]

whats a good site to get those from?

[dry stratus]

also 880 > 990, 990 is just a worse 880

[dry stratus]

onboard still is dogcrap and would even make KSC75 sound better on an external device

[lean grove]

@dry stratus

[dry stratus]

takes nothing to hear the difference

not when coming from onboard

[lean grove]

👌🆗

[dry stratus]

might as well spend the extremely little bit extra on a dongle and just be done

at that point, sure

[distant radish]

im in canada

is $280 cad even worth it for hd 560s?

[lean grove]

That's a bit high

$150ish USD is what they're usually at here.

[hushed drum]

Theyre at $200Usd on my amazon

[lean grove]

Again, a bit high

[dry stratus]

cheaper here at 150 eur, because its not a merican company

[distant radish]

any recommendations for worth the price on amazon ca?

could anyone look for me?

[lean grove]

https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B08J9MVB6W

[tepid torrent]

Is it not at like 220 rn

[thorny junco]

Hey guys, is the Pioneer VSX-LX53 a decent AV receiver?

I found a guy selling one unopened from 2011 for 110USD

I can't afford it yet, but hopefully in a few months I'll scrape enough money together, so I wanna know if its any good

Currently using a TEAC Av-H500 from 2001 that only has AUX inputs and I wanna try 5.1 channel surround

[grizzled palm]

i have a pioneer vsx-80, 7.2 but i only use it for 5.1. im trying to find a good set of bookshelf speakers to replace my older sonys but all of the ones i find are fucking bluetooth

[molten lotus]

you want to replace a pair of speakers in your 5.1?

or just swap to stereo

also a budget would help

[grizzled palm]

yeah, im staying 5.1

i found a set from rockville, so considering they have great car speakers i'll try the bookshelf ones from them

but i do want a new center channel as well, a louder one i guess. what i've got is a 2 speaker little sony one

[molten lotus]

for?

[grizzled palm]

wdym?

[molten lotus]

why 5.1

[grizzled palm]

it's for my living room lmao

because it sounds good

[molten lotus]

for movies only

and games if you need directional audio

for most multimedia 5.1 is straight up bad

especially music

[grizzled palm]

it's for everything, ps5, series s, pc what not

[molten lotus]

its a better idea to buy another 5.1 set entirely

replacing pieces of a 5.1 set isn't a good idea

[grizzled palm]

i'm not doing peices, im buying 2 sets of bookshelves

[molten lotus]

yes

they aren't meant for that

[grizzled palm]

i currently run mismatched sony bookshelf speakers, and a jbl 15 inch sub

sub is staying

[molten lotus]

bookshelves are mostly full range

mixing random full range speakers together that sound good in a stereo setup isn't going to give you good surround audio

[unique wind]

nah thats not true man

there's nothing wrong with using the same speakers for your mains and your surrounds

[molten lotus]

room issue

surround sets generally don't have much bass so you don't have shitty resonance

bookshelves do try to have the most bass they can pump out of a box

[grizzled palm]

i have an eq, a pretty sweet one. i can make it sound how i want lmao

[molten lotus]

you can eq each speaker individually?

[grizzled palm]

i literally just was trying to figure out what i was looking at on amazon

[unique wind]

this is true and i hate ported speakers

i would rather bookshelves be sealed and roll off at 80 or 100hz

[molten lotus]

my room is too bad to even think of buying speakers

[grizzled palm]

i have the speaker distances set wrong because it was in my house before

now in an apartment i can't find the remote

[unique wind]

i thought you use speakers at your desk klaus

[molten lotus]

I have them

but I don't really use them except for when guests come over

they still sound better than any consumer garbage there is

but they layer so fucking poorly over headphones its sometimes unbearable

especially with bad mastering

[unique wind]

getting positioning right is so annoying

[molten lotus]

I don't have room to adjust positioning either

[unique wind]

ironically my shittiest speakers are the least picky about placement

[molten lotus]

one speaker is in a corner

[unique wind]

the tweeter shoots out sound wide and tall as fuck

[molten lotus]

with its back facing a window and side a fucking concrete column

[unique wind]

all the room gain

[molten lotus]

could drive these bad boys out of my 3.5 like this

[unique wind]

mine are in corners and infront of a window too which is why i plug the rear port with socks

[molten lotus]

i got a sealed box

at least

but its a full range speaker mounted on my desk used as a nearfield

so i got other issues

[unique wind]

oh yeah you have massive speakers thats right

[molten lotus]

yes

[unique wind]

are they triple driver

[molten lotus]

yes

you have no idea how much the frequency response changes even if i move my head marginally

[lean grove]

Creative pebbles would be an upgrade

[unique wind]

iLoud MTMs are on sale at sweetwater

$280 ea instead of $400

on sale on their own website as well it seems

[wispy zephyr]

can someone explain to me why my pc sounds go to my mic?

like a youtube video audio going to my mic

[haughty girder]

what headphones?

or audio output

it can so many things

[molten lotus]

Pink is microphone

[wispy zephyr]

steelseries arctis 1 wireless

[haughty girder]

from audio leaking out of headphones and the mic picking it up since it's sensitive

OK so fabric pads right?

[molten lotus]

Green is sound.

[wispy zephyr]

im using a 3.5mm headphone jack

laptop

[haughty girder]

Turn down ur volume and find out if it is still going through at the same volume

I'm fairly certain that headphone leaks sound

and since the mic on headsets are almost all tiny electret capsules they're very sensitive

[wispy zephyr]

yes but even when im muted the sounds goes through

[molten lotus]

Could be crossfeed

[haughty girder]

is it clear but quiet?

or how does it sound like

[wispy zephyr]

wdym?

[unique wind]

khan has arrived

[haughty girder]

looks cool, not as nice as waner tho

[unique wind]

better

has a proper high bass tuck instead of bleeding up to 400hz

if you meant aesthetics i agree waner is far prettier

[haughty girder]

I meant aesthetics yea

Issue with qkz is that I don't exactly trust them to not swap the hardware in it

kz did it with the zex pro

qkz did it in the vk4

[unique wind]

i feel violated

the smallest tips it comes with are extremely small and it went so deep in my ear

felt like that tiny light doctors put in your ear

they must be @dry stratus sized

[haughty girder]

Oh.

er2 time?

[unique wind]

these just go very deep in general it seems

the nozzle is long

[haughty girder]

I used to be ok with that

but I've been using IEMs a lot more lately and they get really uncomfortable

[unique wind]

yeah i dont know how i feel about it

they keep finding earwax i didnt know i had

[molten lotus]

I’m now looking for headphones + mic or headset with mic for under £200

Looking for the best I can get at that price

[tepid torrent]

HD560s or DT880 plus fifine K669

[molten lotus]

HD560s doesn’t include mic?

[tepid torrent]

No it doesnt

[molten lotus]

Included mic is over budget

[unique wind]

is sennheiser pc38x available for you?

[tepid torrent]

Get a lav mic then

[unique wind]

that's the best gaming headset bar none if you want an included mic

[haughty moon]

Pc37x were on sale not so long ago, they are quite nice

[winged sedge]

question for the audiophiles is thier any sound difference between youtube, spotify, and a cd?

because i cant hear any difference at all

[lean grove]

Yes. YouTube is the worst, Spotify is in the middle, and CD being one of the best options for music playback.

And not being able to hear a difference is pretty common to people who don't focus on that too much.

Hence why Spotify and YouTube are still used even when CDs exist.

[winged sedge]

i think its more the convenence how many computers have cd drives still

[haughty girder]

Spotify premium "very high" quality is basically as good as cd wav

You can hear some lossy compression artifacting if you have a trained ear

99.9% of ppl can't tell

[pliant shadow]

can somebody tell me good gaming headphones for HEARING under $100 i have a microphone already

[lean grove]

if its lossy i dont want it

[pliant shadow]

is this fine

for hearing headphones

https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/241589072

?

[haughty girder]

if it's 50 bucks then yes

they're good

[haughty girder]

tho maybe consider k361

[tired slate]

Is this the same model?

[unique wind]

nope that's a different one

very similar name but very different sounding

qkz x hbb kahn

[tired slate]

This?

[slender kayak]

i want to try to do a cover of some songs and was wondering if amp VSTs would work on non electric guitars and just regular guitar recordings, i would buy one if i have to but I'd rather save the money for something else if possible

[tired slate]

Is the default cable for the Tangzu Wan'er good enough or should I get the silver-plated KZ Cable

[molten skiff]

what is good amp for sen hd 560s

I find they are a tad quiet

[tepid torrent]

Really?

Volume shouldnt be an issue

Hm

[molten skiff]

well not everything is quiet just certain videos and stuff

[tepid torrent]

Turn the volume up

[haughty girder]

quiet on what

and for what device

if it's PC, get a dongle like Apple type C to 3.5mm or cx31993 dongle

[molten lotus]

Good enough

[teal fern]

Hey morning

Does anyone know of any gd earbuds for 50usd or less?

[dry stratus]

Nekocake ig?

[fast charm]

I have auditory sensitivities due to having Autism and I have a Pixel 5 and the speaker is very pitchy and makes all walks of life of content to sound very bad and triggers me so hard. I need a better phone with a better speaker. Which phone brand would you recommend?

[dry stratus]

Just get earphones or headphones?

No phone speaker would fix it being like that

That’s just what a tiny phone speaker gonna do

[fast charm]

I like my moondrop aria iem, I guess I could take it off my computer interface. Is this adapter alright. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08B38C3G8

[dry stratus]

Just get the apple dongle or smth, also has usb-c

Its smaller

[steel escarp]

@molten lotus time to order fiio ft3

[molten lotus]

godspeed

[steel escarp]

sold my adam audio t7v

with stands

for 350 euros

[molten lotus]

inb4 fiio is super mid

[steel escarp]

I put my denons up for sale

damn this wood looks good

[steel escarp]

the ft3?

[molten lotus]

yes

[steel escarp]

who told you

what is your source on it being mid

@molten lotus

[molten lotus]

grey it's an idiom

i wasn't implying it is mid

[unique wind]

i will

i’ll imply it’s mid

[molten lotus]

who told you

what is your source on it being mid

[unique wind]

😹

[steel escarp]

It's apparently a crippled meze 109

[molten lotus]

who told you this

[steel escarp]

Fenz @molten lotus

I ordered a power conditioner instead 💀

[dapper quartz]

Anybody here knowledged on soundbars for PCs.

I can connect my soundbar to my PC via 2 methods.

1. Soundbar>HDMI Cable>PC GPU HDMI port. (My soundbar has a HDMI In port)

2. Soundbar>HDMI Cable>TV EARC port. (have to toggle some TV settings stuff like Pass through)

I find the Soundbar to GPU method has a much louder volume limit.

My question is which soundbar connection method for is best for a PC user? Would I be missing some perks using the quieter pass through method

[dry stratus]

Soundbars arent for desks

[dapper quartz]

If it's called SoundSlayer it is

https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/home-entertainment/gaming/sc-htb01.html

Pretty kickass when you pump the volume up

[dry stratus]

Sound bars for so close are ehhh

[steel escarp]

I managed to fatigue my ears so bad they now need 2 days rest

I listened to my denon ah-d5000

for 20 minutes

[tepid torrent]

It might be klaus

When was the last time FiiO made a good product

[bright osprey]

Was considering purchasing the Aeon Closed X and I was asking about in another server where someone who have them has mentioned they sound terrible. I wanted to get other people's opinion on these headphones just so I have multiple sources. most reviews are saying they sound great so it surprised me a little to hear them say that

[tepid torrent]

I honestly dont think DCA makes a good headphone

Lot of people I know say they suck, damped to hell and back

[bright osprey]

Man I guess the reviews are kinda bologna

[tepid torrent]

Unless like, Corina

[bright osprey]

The other guy mentioned it may be sunk cost fallacy for some people

[tepid torrent]

Which is 5 thousand dollars

[tepid torrent]

Well aint that true

[bright osprey]

Guess he was right

[tepid torrent]

Spend 1000 dollar on headphone, dont want to admit its shit

Tell people its good to self justify

[bright osprey]

Dang

Well I guess I'm markiing those off my radar

He did say he loves using the Hd600

I also was looking at the Audio-Technica ATH-R70x

[tepid torrent]

Both are pretty good

But r70x might have fit issues depending on ear size

Smaller pads

Honestly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821923810441822278/882830447443320882/planaroutdynain.png

[bright osprey]

You know what's funny

I actually have a pair of Ananda's rn

[molten lotus]

utws5

[tepid torrent]

Thats not even a transducer

[molten lotus]

cope

[tepid torrent]

Doesnt count

[molten lotus]

cope harder

[tepid torrent]

[tepid torrent]

Edition xs better

Fite me

[bright osprey]

Tbh I mainly got the ananda's because I have dreads and the band on the editon kinda tugs in my scalp and it hurts a lot

[molten lotus]

to be fair

[bright osprey]

Hd600 are 350 on Amazon rn

[molten lotus]

ananda stealth is considered pretty equivalent to xs

contrary to ananda og

[bright osprey]

I have the stealth version

[molten lotus]

but you could honeslty get xs and an ananda headband for cheaper than an ananda

[bright osprey]

ananda stealth is only 550 rn

[molten lotus]

dayum

[bright osprey]

and open box only 500

I'm considering the HD600

It's only 350 rn

[molten lotus]

you will hate them if you like anandas

[bright osprey]

Understandable

Won't get them lol

Man I wish the DCA Aeon closed X was an option

[tepid torrent]

If you like ananda I dont think you will like 600

They dont sound similar at all

[bright osprey]

Pain

Idek what else to go for anymore

[static bay]

My budget facebook marketplace setup
Turntable - 1 by one H005
Cassette deck - technics rs-tr232
Receiver- Sony str-de185
CD player- pioneer PD-F4O7
Speakers- KLH 911B
Alex being used so i can stream digital music from my pc to my stereo

[steel escarp]

you should just get IEMs at that point. the sound stage these headphones have is so compressed.

the tonality sounded good

[bright osprey]

Issue with getting iems now is I am constantly outside when I work and I always have earbuds on

[steel escarp]

but that is all dan clark headphones have going for them

[bright osprey]

Ah

[bright osprey]

Do you have any recommendations?

[steel escarp]

what are you looking for

[bright osprey]

I've seen people say if I already have the anandas then the hd600 is a no go

Truth be told

If it sounds good enough but primarily comfort

That's why I was considering the Dan clarks

[steel escarp]

which ananda version do you have

[bright osprey]

Stealth

[steel escarp]

and you have comfort issues?

[bright osprey]

Major

Around the bopttom of my jaw line

THere's so much pressure

[steel escarp]

so its not the headband

[bright osprey]

No

Headband is great

[steel escarp]

do you wear glasses

[bright osprey]

I do not

[steel escarp]

cant you adjust the height to relief pressure

[bright osprey]

Nope it's stuck in place

[steel escarp]

or stretch the headband to reduce clamp

[bright osprey]

Tried it

[steel escarp]

like bend it out

[bright osprey]

I've tried to bend the metal myself and have tried to bend it over a box for 2 days and the issue is still there

the suspension strap itself moves with the metal

so it can't be moved independently

[steel escarp]

but you can adjust the height of the earcups, right?

[steel escarp]

so you can

I guess you already have it retracted all the way

[bright osprey]

If I adjust it too far it becomes too long for my face

[steel escarp]

they need to close the gap on your jaw

for a better seal

earpads break in over time

but we are talking like a month or two

[bright osprey]

It's been 2 months

[steel escarp]

oh

well

[bright osprey]

lol

[steel escarp]

maybe get something circular

audeze mm-100

if they sound like the mm-500 they will be okay

[bright osprey]

Funnily enough

[steel escarp]

not good

but okay

[bright osprey]

I was looking at those

THing is when are they planned to relase

[steel escarp]

honestly I wouldn't buy them if their tonality is the same as the mm-500

they should release next month

they set weight to "t.b.d."

I dont trust that

they literally just shrunk the size of the mm-500 diaphragm

and called it mm-100

[bright osprey]

yeah I'm seeing that now

Man...

[steel escarp]

their manufacturing process is so bad which makes their headphones 10x more expensive then they should be

[bright osprey]

You know what

Ima take my chances with the mm-100\

[steel escarp]

lemme know how it went

[bright osprey]

Will do

[steel escarp]

the only reason that thing is 400 dollars is because they finally gave a shit about their manufacturing process for that headphone

[bright osprey]

Alright I bought em

Done its done

[steel escarp]

you mean preordered?

[bright osprey]

Well yeah preordered

But I did go through headphones.com

[steel escarp]

let me know if there is a 3kHz peak that kills you

[bright osprey]

so I coulkd just pay full price upfront

[steel escarp]

wait I think you should cancel right now @bright osprey

[bright osprey]

[steel escarp]

their return policy seems bad

they will charge you

no free returns

[bright osprey]

Fuck me

[steel escarp]

bro

what is this scam website

[bright osprey]

There's always somethiong istg

[bitter hollow]

That's because they offer returns up to a year, so

[bright osprey]

o

Well then

That's fine lol

Phew

[steel escarp]

if you return it the next day you get fucked

[bright osprey]

True

[bitter hollow]

Do you think every company is Amazon or something

[steel escarp]

I live in the EU

[bitter hollow]

They sell headphones to dumbass audiophiles, there's no way they have enough volume to eat the cost of returns

[steel escarp]

there are laws

[bright osprey]

I live in the US

[bitter hollow]

Restocking fees aren't even that unusual

[steel escarp]

30 day free return policy here. required by law

2 year warranty required by law

[bright osprey]

Honestly

Its fine

I understand why they're doing so

[steel escarp]

in terms of sound the mm-100 is not an upgrade

[bright osprey]

I know

But if I was looking for an upgrade I'd have to spend another 500 dollars

[tepid torrent]

You think they are a multi-billion dollar company?

Bro it was started by two dudes, and its still mostly those two dudes

[steel escarp]

you think amazon will let you infinitely return stuff?

[tepid torrent]

365-day return is already good

[steel escarp]

they block you when they no longer make a profit from you

[tepid torrent]

There are costs to returns bruh

[steel escarp]

yes

[tepid torrent]

"scam"

[steel escarp]

that is how business works

[tepid torrent]

Yes

[steel escarp]

the margins in audio are so huge

[bitter hollow]

I know people who returned totl gpus

Amazon has a very generous return policy

[bright osprey]

He's not wrong

truthfully

I've definitely done some gnarly returns myself

[steel escarp]

if your product is so bad it needs to be returned

[bitter hollow]

They sell headphones

A significant percentage of their returns are probably just "I don't like how this perfectly functioning transducer/DAC/amp sounds"

[bright osprey]

Man when you realize there's never a point where an audiophile is pleased

Like man

[steel escarp]

I just spent my paycheck on a 1200 euro amp and now I already want a new dac

and ordered a 200 euro power conditioner

its really an endless cycle

tho

hifiman edition xs

did not want to upgrade yet

[molten lotus]

that's an issue with hifimans in certain head types, rip my man

you can try getting an edition xs since it doesn't have a suspension headband like anandas, it might be more comfortable for your jaw

[bright osprey]

You know whats another thing that's funny

I have the hifiman he400se and I got the ananda's to replace them because the headband on the 400s irritated my head because I have dreads and it pulls on my scalp

Man I'm so boned

[bright osprey]

Holy bananas

[steel escarp]

the violectric amp has like the cheapest transformer

[molten lotus]

lol

[steel escarp]

for a 1200 euro amp

[molten lotus]

to be fair

since edition xs has larger earcups

more friction

which could lessen the burden on your scalp

though it's just wishful thinking

[unique wind]

sundara is extremely comfortable to me but a decent amount of people think it clamps too hard

[bright osprey]

Everyone

Pray that the MM-100 is good

[unique wind]

i’ll take your ananda stealth

[bright osprey]

Funnily enough I was planning on sselling them too

I'll set up a ebay page soon

[molten lotus]

everything clamps too hard after r70x

[unique wind]

i love clamp so idk

[molten lotus]

get automod'd

bitch

[bright osprey]

What I miss

😭

[steel escarp]

in what way

[molten lotus]

in ways that automods prevents from being mentioned

[bright osprey]

The secrets of the universe

[steel escarp]

my desk is such a mess, 3 different headphones, 3 amps, 2 dacs, 5 headphone cables

[bright osprey]

Setting up the ebay poage for the ananda's now

[steel escarp]

they just released a new ananda revision

gl selling yours

[bright osprey]

It'll be significantly cheaper than what they released

Alright it's been listed

[unique wind]

i have the exact same amount

dt770, he400se, sundara
magni, magnius, avr
modi, modius
pile of headphone and iem cables

[lean grove]

Pile of bad

[steel escarp]

Rip he got the schiit stuff

[lean grove]

F in chat

I bet you all those things are fully functioning with no issues either

[steel escarp]

I like ifi stuff better than schiit stuff for the price

[unique wind]

it was until i static discharged into my magnius

great piece of kit, it’s sad

[unique wind]

wym rip they’re fantastic

shit loads of clean power and nice build quality for cheap

thought to be honest i use my fiio utws5 for everything because i listen to music on spotify anyway

[lean grove]

Damn I guess I'm the only left with no problems with their gear

😔

[unique wind]

real

[bitter hollow]

My magni 3+ has channel imbalance at some volumes

At listening volumes it's fine so whatevs

[lean grove]

That's normal

[unique wind]

analog pots will have channel imbalance at lower volumes

well i mean lower on the knob, not necessarily low volume in your headphones

[steel escarp]

Manufacturers can fix it

They just cheap out

My violectric amp has no channel imbalance

[vestal meadow]

Not really

[steel escarp]

It's fixable

They choose not to fix it

[vestal meadow]

Even the expernsive conductive plastic ones from vishay are +-20 percent

[vestal meadow]

Yeah you could go with a active volume control circuit

That negates majority of the imbalance if you want to maintain the circuit analog if not there are ways to do it using relays and stuff

[steel escarp]

No you can fix it while still using a potentiometer

[haughty girder]

For very boutique builders sure

but it's very impractical

[steel escarp]

They can compensate for the channel imbalances

[haughty girder]

it's not cheaping out if it could literally double the cost

yea? and so can you

just set it digitally

[steel escarp]

Well tbf potentiometers even vary too much. If you buy 5 they will all behave a bit different

[haughty girder]

issue is that the channel imbalance is not linear

and yea

you'd have to test each one by one

so if you were to account for it, you'd have to measure each one individually

[haughty girder]

this is why I said this

[steel escarp]

Does a stepped potentiometer have this issue tho

[haughty girder]

Probably

Stepped is nothing but just a spring and a toothed gear

[steel escarp]

I have a pretty big stepped potentiometer on my amp

No channel imbalance

[haughty girder]

mm

oh stepped is diff

nvm stepped is fine because it's using a series of resistors instead of carbon tracks

which makes sense resistors are a lot more consistent

[bright osprey]

How we feeling about the mm-500

[unique wind]

i have no feelings

[bright osprey]

[unique wind]

wait i have a feeling now

i feel that you should buy me a Hifiman He1000 v1

[steel escarp]

It was okay

The 3kHz peak made it fatiging

[bright osprey]

Still pretty long

[steel escarp]

It leans a bit dark, detail was not that good

[bright osprey]

I'd imagine I'd have the same issue

[steel escarp]

Same with sound stage

The stage sounded artificial

What we really need is a good open back fostex with Harman treble

Why can't they just make one

[unique wind]

buy me not buy you

[bright osprey]

[unique wind]

yes

[molten lotus]

feelings?

wdym

[bright osprey]

As in are these good

How do people feel about them

[molten lotus]

I haven't felt anything ever

[steel escarp]

So deep

[unique wind]

ever since klaus put on the sundara and imagined that he felt the treble decay he hasn’t been the same

he no longer has feelings

[bright osprey]

Wow

[unique wind]

audiotechnica r70x is the only thing that makes the voices go away

[molten lotus]

r70x isn't that good

but it's the most comfortable headphone I have ever put on

and has stupid good imaging

apart from that its pretty decent but hazy

[haughty girder]

really???

idk I guess the twin paddle headband isn't for me

[molten lotus]

weird

earpads I can get

if you have big ears it can crush your ears because the pads are super small

but apart from that the stress, the weight

its perfect

hifiman stuff compared feels like its ready to launch itself off of your head with a sudden move

[haughty girder]

Yes

Hot take: Hifiman below 600 all feel like a chinese protype headphone that got accidentally released

[molten lotus]

fair assessment

you could include aryas in that too probably

[haughty girder]

yea

it's so weird

[molten lotus]

the build material feels so fucking wonky for how much you pay its mad

[haughty girder]

like you can tell that it's mass produced but at the same time idek why it feels like a project

[molten lotus]

to be fair

the quality is on point

since it doesn't ever break or fail on you generally

[haughty girder]

Now is mostly

[molten lotus]

but like

it feels super cheap

[haughty girder]

older hifiman...

[molten lotus]

he6 headband

:)

[haughty girder]

also sundara yoke pisses me off

[molten lotus]

it doesn't have one

[haughty girder]

wait lemme show which part

[molten lotus]

do you mean the one on the earcup

which connects to the headband

[haughty girder]

ye this

I hate it

[molten lotus]

why lol

[haughty girder]

for 350 you'd expect it to feel better

kinda like beyer 880

[molten lotus]

does it feel cheap or just performs bad

if its performing bad then yeah

it performs fucking dumb

[haughty girder]

feel cheap and afaik is the weakest point of the headphone

I've seen sundaras break there

[molten lotus]

why not add a yoke to the headband and make that shit much more comfortable

instead of giving it angled pads

[haughty girder]

yeaaaa

I mean tbf HD6x0 has a funnier solution

just make a hole that causes the earcup yoke/headband adjustment band to rotate enough that it doesn't need angled pads

I'm pretty sure it's not intentional

[molten lotus]

i think it is

xs headband also uses that sort of solution

[haughty girder]

idk man

it just seems so scuffed yet functional

I don't think Senn would do smth like that

but I could be wrong

[bright osprey]

Someone recommended the HD 800s instead of the mm-500

[dry stratus]

Hd800 = just wide

[bright osprey]

Like very wide soundstage?

I like that

[dry stratus]

Not even like that

More like “music coming from across the street”

[bright osprey]

o

[dry stratus]

And cannot sound close

Its just distant sounding

[lean grove]

Buy a k1000 🦭

[bright osprey]

From?

Oh God

ew

[unique wind]

join iem gang

buy moondrop variations, open it up, flip the wires to fix its polarity, profit

[bright osprey]

i would

But

I wear earbuds constantly for work

and I don't want to come home to keep pushing something into my ears

[unique wind]

thats valid

if you want circular headphones i would recommend audeze lcd-2c but it requires eq to fix its treble roll off

[bright osprey]

So funny story

I just went ahead and got the sennheisers

[unique wind]

whatd u cop

which sennys

[bright osprey]

800s

[dry stratus]

What it is good at: detail
The gimmick: its just wide, not accurate just insanely wide

[unique wind]

fake sense of wideness because it has a lack of ear gain

[dry stratus]

And no bass

[bright osprey]

and what are the cons on the LCD -2

[dry stratus]

Audeze being audeze

[unique wind]

the con of lcd2 is that it lacks upper treble

it's easily eqable though because it has extremely low distortion

[dry stratus]

Hd800 is more comfortable at least…

Meze empyrean still best for comfort imo

[unique wind]

hd650 just seems straight up better than any of the 800s

ive been enjoying my qkz x hbb khan with eq

these bitches thump

[bright osprey]

[unique wind]

just had to fill in the 2250hz scoop because im not a fan of that

i dont understand why so many audiophile headphones and some iems do that

it's not soundstage it just ruins vocal placement

[bright osprey]

Okay Ananda vs 650

[bright osprey]

You have them?

[dry stratus]

I’ve tried them, I don’t have them

Sound not good

Good build and comfort

Mediocre at best sound

Terrible for the price

Form over function

[lean grove]

Hd800 gang

[bright osprey]

3k is definitely a ton

[dry stratus]

Sounds worse than something 1/30th

Just muddy

[unique wind]

seems like the majority of good headphones are in the $300-1600 range

tons of wonky weird shit above that

[wild swift]

Can I connect a Smartwatch and Bluetooth neckband to a Samsung Galaxy Tab A8?

Smartwatch and Bluetooth Neckband are not of Samsung

[molten lotus]

ananda easily imo

[bright osprey]

[serene surge]

what frequency response range is the footstep sound in fps games like valorant?

like at around 6khz?

[haughty girder]

600 > both

[molten lotus]

depends on the game

i don't play valorant

[urban warren]

Okay really quick q: my TV has a really tiny stand like maybe 5cm tall. And there's no where else to really place a soundbar but I want better audio quality. I COULD place a soundbar beneath the TV cabinet. I'm thinking of the Sonos Ray. Would I totally cancel out the audio benefits if I placed it right at the front underneath my TV cabinet on the wooden floor?

I don't want some messy clumsy wooden plank to artificially shift my LG CS 55 up a bit to put a soundbar in front of it either

[weak rapids]

damn good deal for thast

[lean grove]

id rather have porta pros

[molten lotus]

tbh

id grab it

oh wait

2nd hand

lol

no

[tulip garnet]

Anyone know what i can use to convert youtube sounds to like soundfiles for soundpad on steam

[acoustic ravine]

How does the HD6XX compare to HD600? Is it worth the $200 price jump to get the 600s?

I'm considering iFi Zen Dac Air + 6xx for a nice $300 upgrade over my current M50x + USB C adapter

[molten lotus]

no, not in my opinion

not at all

[tepid torrent]

That sounds fine

[molten lotus]

i personally dislike 6** but that's a decent setup

[tepid torrent]

I mean you should probably get the amp and the dac as well

Not just the AiO

[molten lotus]

i disagree

[acoustic ravine]

Ah, I thought I could save money on it by doing it this way

[molten lotus]

zen air is enough

[acoustic ravine]

Does it matter what the Zen Air is plugged into? 3.5 jack on PC, keyboard (piano), etc? I don't need to modify my computer to output good music, right?

[molten lotus]

you don't really

[tepid torrent]

No

[acoustic ravine]

One last question then... If I want to listen on my Android, I know the Apple dongle has power issues with Android phones. Is there a good alternative?

[tepid torrent]

Wait why do I have a nickname now

[molten lotus]

£150GBP budget, looking for high quality headphones + mic

[unique wind]

dongles that are labeled as having a “cx31993” chipset

[molten lotus]

do what michael said

[unique wind]

like this

https://a.co/d/ctUi99b

[molten lotus]

hd560s with fifine t669 if it fits into your budget

probably wont, though its a good combo so do look out

[molten lotus]

The headphones alone are exactly that price

rip

use 3$ lavalier mic

:^)

Anything else?

hmm

[molten lotus]

Lmfao nahhhh

you underestimate 3$ mics

No I just prefer better mics lmao

I rest my case

tbf

if you save up for both of those options then you will get a great setup

if you can't uhh

consider dt880 250ohm

and he400se

U sound like Siri

that's not me

lol

Ohhhhh

its some audio engineer called audbol

microphone nerd

Oh lmao

[molten lotus]

Both of those r headphones

How abt mic

fifine t669 is afaik the cheapest decent mic you can get

seiren mini too

or mpm1000u

[swift sonnet]

[molten lotus]

That looks more like what I’m looking for

why

not like its particularly better than anything ive mentioned

Everything else isnt available on UK amazon

ah

LMFAO

incredible

Yes

[unique wind]

yes

[molten lotus]

Anything available on UK amazon preferably?

Apart from just the razer one

[steel escarp]

holy shit I am so done

I am adjusting EQ and thinking I heard changes very clearly

look at tidal

its running in exclusive mode

its all placebo

[unique wind]

just like dac and amp sound differences

it’s all placebo grey

what is the budget

[steel escarp]

I heard hd800s on a good and bad amp

there was a difference

[unique wind]

so which of the amps is the bad one

because amps are not supposed to have unique sounds

sennheiser pc37x

[mild quail]

alrighty, I am looking for a simple but decent DAC to run a couple of basic computer speakers that use normal speaker wire (+/-)

Any recommendations? Not looking to spend too terribly much on it

I have optical and 3.5mm out on the rear of my PC, and these are just stereo

not surround

[haughty girder]

You're not looking for a DAC, you're looking for an amp

[lean grove]

Cheapest one that's good is the allo volt d+.

[haughty girder]

he said basic computer speakers...

I can't imagine them being any good

[lean grove]

It's a very strange request.

[haughty girder]

in which case I wouldn't spend more than like 10 bucks on a random chinese amp board

[lean grove]

Better off just buying new speakers imo

There's that nobsound amp

[haughty girder]

I have one of these aren't good, but functional. Something like this would work just fine https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003071536786.html?

[mild quail]

Quite possibly.

Not an audiophile, have no idea on terms.

[haughty girder]

like this is a similar (slightly higher tier than the ali one), would work just fine

[mild quail]

They're actually decent

[haughty girder]

How picky are you about noise floor

[mild quail]

KLH 9362

[haughty girder]

and how loud do you need em

[mild quail]

Doesn't need to be loud, but what do you mean noise floor

[haughty girder]

wait do you have a full set?

[haughty girder]

basically the background hiss

[mild quail]

I have both speakers and could get the sub if needed

[haughty girder]

See if you can get a cheap 5.1 receiver or something used

[mild quail]

I also have 7 other speakers but they aren't in this room right now, I am thinking they go to a TV later on. Those connect to a Harman Kardon AVR 330 receiver

[haughty girder]

run it in 2.0 mode

they should be pretty cheap

[mild quail]

a receiver (especially the one I have) is really large for here

it's a converted closet, trying to save space

[haughty girder]

it doesn't need to be fancy

mmm

how annoyed would you be by a background hiss when nothing is playing

[haughty girder]

you could legitamately give this a shot

[mild quail]

ehhh as little as possible, but I am not gonna spend $50 more just to remove it

Here’s what I’ve got

very cobbled together, but I got all of it for free

hence why I'm looking to also spend not-much

[molten lotus]

maybe mount the av receiver vertically?

squeeze it somewhere?

[mild quail]

I did have it on the floor to the right of the chair and it was mostly out of the way

[lean grove]

Will make heatsinks useless

[mild quail]

this room is 24sqft tho

[lean grove]

Bad idea probably

[molten lotus]

blow on it its fine

also idk should a probably class d av receiver be getting hot in the 1st place

[mild quail]

it's from 2003 if that helps

[molten lotus]

most half decent class d doesn't get moderately hot

[mild quail]

7.1

used to be pretty high end

[molten lotus]

i somehow doubt that

[haughty girder]

if it's class D it basically just doesn't.

it can get warm, almost never hot

[molten lotus]

yeah

[mild quail]

it does get warm

not hot

[molten lotus]

i don't think squeezing it somewhere would do any damage

[mild quail]

alright now just.... where

[molten lotus]

vertically somewhere

next to your desk maybe

[mild quail]

U shaped desk mounted to the wall, takes up most of the room

3 computers

heh

it's packed in here but I love it

[haughty girder]

Wait

[molten lotus]

don't really know man

[haughty girder]

if you're not an audiophile

[molten lotus]

go invest in speakers maybe

[haughty girder]

shove it under one of the speakers?

[molten lotus]

likely creative pebble or some shit will sound better in such a cursed room

[mild quail]

It has its main vent on top wouldnt that be bad?

[mild quail]

cursed?

how so

[molten lotus]

small room?

[haughty girder]

Because it's not treated and it's tiny

so reverberations will throw off tuning like crazy

[mild quail]

it's not like I cut a hole in the wall to put a computer fan in to stop the room from getting hot or anything

[haughty girder]

and resonances that will kinda mess things around too

[molten lotus]

so it's cardboard?

not bad tbh

better than concrete

[mild quail]

sheetrock/gypsum but still

[molten lotus]

still better than concrete

concrete fucks things up

[mild quail]

Concrete floor for now because of a slight flood, but that's getting fixed soon

[molten lotus]

wdym fix

you are going to delete the ground?

[mild quail]

carpet or laminate, undecided as of yet

was carpet but got flood and had to get removed

[lean grove]

Carpet again. Laminate kinda sucks

[mild quail]

rolling chair hates carpet

[lean grove]

Easier to clean but it's colder

[molten lotus]

try living outdoors

[mild quail]

you're really not helpful klaus...

[lean grove]

Yeah true

I gotta buy a plastic sheet for mine....

[mild quail]

I have one, but I would rather not have to use it

but anyway, basically anything will be decent for 2 basic computer speakers?

Wonder if I could just get an adapter for 3.5mm to speaker wire...

Or if I could find an amp somewhere

Or just buy a small receiver

[lean grove]

All possible.

[lean grove]

This one might be a bit dangerous but can technically work

[mild quail]

dangerous?

for me or speakers

[lean grove]

For whatever the 3.5mm is going into

[mild quail]

PC

so no

alrighty just connected the receiver again

temporarily, I think

but it sounds nice

but wow these speakers lack bass

[ivory hull]

Is it possible to use both a Scarlett and a presonus interface with one MacBook Pro using logic X as the recording software

(I have an 8 channel interface, but need one more input to get everything mic’d…I’m looking at getting a scarlet single channel that I can use for that and also I can use on my windows pc for my normal microphone - where I’d switch from micro-usb to XLR)

[molten lotus]

Whaddyaguysreckon? I have a Fiio K3s DAC/AMP. Would I be wasting money to get a set of HiFiman Sundara's??

[tepid torrent]

I wouldnt be buying sundara when edition xs exists

And also sundara isnt good

[molten lotus]

You fucking what now? 😂

[molten lotus]

You're joking right?

[molten lotus]

Please tell me you're joking

[molten lotus]

Like you sound like you're not joking and that in and of itself is a joke

[lean grove]

How do you know they're so good when you don't even have a pair

[dry stratus]

them: some youtuber said it

[molten lotus]

I've listened to a few friends/mutual friends pairs. But didn't know if they couldn't be powered by the small ass dac/amp I have or if I need to upgrade. Given they're low impedance as fuck they don't need more power. But they might scale with DAC's so that's what I'm asking.

On the backhand. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about so fuck off? The outright statement of "And also sundara isnt good" is idiotic.

Also. Learn grammar you fucking moron

[dry stratus]

impedance isn't even what does most to power requirement

[molten lotus]

Which is why I'm asking if my dac/amp combo can run it in peoples opinions

ffs

[dry stratus]

if they're willing to help considering your own message is 80% telling them they are an a-hole, need to f off, etc

most likely reason for saying sundara isn't good, is because it has enough issues to make it "fine" but not "good"

"isn't good" doesn't have to be bad

personally, I dislike it because its lifeless and dead no matter what it was plugged into

[molten lotus]

See. That's constructive. I don't dislike that, and I'm not going to be upset about that.

I disagree with you because I dislike headphones that are overly bass heavy and to me the Sundara's sound like an improvement on the Grado's I already daily

[lean grove]

You asked if you'd be wasting your money. Not if they were power able

Which yeah headphones require piss power. Should be fine to run.

[dry stratus]

sundara isn't bass heavy tho

[molten lotus]

that's the point

[molten lotus]

So you didn't need to be a douche about it

[lean grove]

Show me on the doll where I was a douche to you

[molten lotus]

Scroll up douche

Either way, I'm out. Clearly this is a toxic ass community

[dry stratus]

audiophile servers are much much worse

[lean grove]

This what triggered you, @molten lotus ?

[molten lotus]

Jeez you're missing the mark by a mile

[lean grove]

That's the first message I sent you, little dude

[molten lotus]

I mean, I have diagnosed Autism and even I think you're autistic as fuck

[lean grove]

Yeah man idk

This might be a you thing

Perceiving animosity when there is none.

And then acting like you're a victim

[molten lotus]

😂

K

[lean grove]

Narcissism might be on your plate too

Still typing?

I thought you were leaving.

[dry stratus]

idk which was toxic here

[lean grove]

🦭

[dry stratus]

should've just left out the second half or so

[tepid torrent]

See I think you are perceiving peoples responses to you as aggresion when its really not

All of your messages have be nothing but aggresive themselves when nothing was intended to be confrontational

No one was being a douche except you

[steel escarp]

Cayin IHA-6

[ivory tangle]

is the logitech zone vibe 100good

[cosmic wraith]

Hello, are they better than jbl 510bt?

[molten lotus]

I own it, it isn't good

oh he left

this dude is amazing

[dry stratus]

don't look at his pfp

[molten lotus]

he argued for 5 minutes and already insulted 90% of the people in the chat

we need to have him back

[dry stratus]

what you need is him to change his pfp

[weak rapids]

I live for these guys

[unique wind]

sundara good

[weak rapids]

He 4xx

[unique wind]

sundara

[haughty girder]

Nah sundara is just ok

I can't believe I missed out on that fun

[haughty girder]

also fun fact: if someone says they listened to a few friends' pairs, they're lying and haven't listened to em

[unique wind]

sundara straight up good

(2020 pad revision)

[unique wind]

real

[haughty girder]

Ok I haven't heard the revision

Maybe

But if you like bassy stuff... emu teaks exist...

[unique wind]

just get a headphone that handles eq well and throw a harman bass shelf on it

you lose a lot of volume though

[haughty girder]

Emu teaks are bassy and clean at the same time

Biodynas ftw

[unique wind]

looks sloppy

[haughty girder]

YK the CAL!se ?

far from "hifi" or accurate

but bassy and really fun

[unique wind]

i don’t remember its measurements

[haughty girder]

maybe paying 350 - 400ish for one isn't worth it but if you ever see one, worth a shot

[unique wind]

emu teak doesnt look good though

wait who wanted a bassy headphone anyway

[haughty girder]

well