audio-tech

[silent haven]

and hammer the bit in

joke company

copuldnt build anything to save their life

[buoyant vale]

[brave plover]

I recently got the DT 770 80Ohm, should I install any softwares?

[tepid torrent]

Other than EqualizerAPO and peaceGUI,

and those are optional for when you wanna try to remedy how bad that headphone sounds

[dry stratus]

How bad of an issue that headphone has*

Doesn’t sound too horrible, it aint a skullcandy or raycon

[tepid torrent]

The issue is how it sounds

Im not going to be soft

[dry stratus]

Still too big of an issue with its sound to recommend it tho

[tepid torrent]

Yes

[dry stratus]

Fixable at least

But might as well get the akg

Cheaper and doesn’t have the issues

[tepid torrent]

Its tuned like its 50 dollars

[dry stratus]

Lower

Koss exists

Kph30i for example

[tepid torrent]

I would easily take a KSC75 over it

[dry stratus]

Same

[tepid torrent]

I would literally pay 100 dollars for a ksc75

[dry stratus]

But I would take ksc75 even over most 300-500 consumer anc headsets

Sound wise

[tepid torrent]

Also im ngl, the audio channel in this server is kind of a shitshow

[dry stratus]

Bose qc45 only one I would take over it out of the high end anc

[tepid torrent]

Was not prepared for this

[dry stratus]

A few regulars and a lot of randos with consumer audio, its ltt after all

Average age of 14

[tepid torrent]

Not much younger than me

But people could stop talking out of their asses

[dry stratus]

Just wait for a certain few regulars

Then fight

About which is your favourite and why the other person’s favourite is shit

My fav: he6 and sus

[dry stratus]

Your fav: hd820

[tepid torrent]

"Oh look guys we put gorilla glass on our headphone, great acoustic properties, no way"

[dry stratus]

Its ass instead

Sennheiser cant do closed

[dry stratus]

You love it tho

The moment a reviewer says they liked it, I stop watching them

Chrono be like:

Who liked dt770 and hd820 both

[tepid torrent]

Yea chrono has the worst takes out of the hp show guys

He really likes the 770 for whatever reason

[dry stratus]

Idk who’s worse, he or zeos

[scenic stump]

Hi, newbie here. I wanna ask what the current best earphones are

[tepid torrent]

Bing bong noo

[dry stratus]

Depends on price

[scenic stump]

Around $300-500?

[dry stratus]

They range from free to like 6000 or smth

[scenic stump]

Oh interesting

Whats the rec for around $6000?

[dry stratus]

Idk, not an iem person

[scenic stump]

Oh

[tender frost]

When you say earphone do you mean IEM or headphone

[scenic stump]

How about around the $300-500?

Um

The one that you put inside the ear

[dry stratus]

Aka iem

[scenic stump]

Ah yes that

[dry stratus]

Will probably have to wait for some IEM guy here

[scenic stump]

Alright

Mhmm

How about headphones?

[dry stratus]

Only one I know with Iems is @unique wind

[brave plover]

still leagues better than my old heaphones lmao

[dry stratus]

Still not good for the price tho

[covert basin]

any recommendations on dac's ive been thinking on the Focusrite Scarlett Solo are there any other recommendations? dont need anything crazy just need 1 xlr port for a mic and then a headphone port for my headphones

preferably something small thats why ive been thinking abt the Focusrite Scarlett Solo

[brave plover]

yeah i couldnt find anything with a better soundstage with the same comfort, or atleast from what i was doing... mostly using these for games so

[dry stratus]

Dt880 was an option for games

[brave plover]

correct, but im in a noisy enviroment

so notvery suitable

[dry stratus]

Depending on how noisy, the moment you turn on any sound you wouldn’t notice it

They isolate pretty alright

Not an hd800 which has basically the same noise level with and without headphones on

[unique wind]

dt880 is like 75% closed 25% open from what ive heard

nowhere near as open as a hifiman

[scenic stump]

Dt880 iirc is semi open. While a lot of hifimans are open backs

Expect some noise bleeding outside but it wont be as bad as full on open backs

[slim mason]

Not best necessarily but my personal favourites for that price are the blessing 2 dusks

[scenic stump]

Alright

[slim mason]

And for headphones around 300, r70x are the nicest sounding ones I know

[scenic stump]

Mhmm i see

Ok im coming clean. Im not really a newbie

I have tried the b2 but found them a bit too v shaped. It has good treble extension but the lower midrange was too scoopy.

Sub bass was frankly not to my liking. It has rumble but there wasnt much texture if any at all.

@slim mason how are the dusks compared b2 btw?

[slim mason]

Never tried the normal b2 actually

[scenic stump]

I see

[unique wind]

the blessing 2 isnt very v-shaped, it hardly has a bass shelf at all compared to most iems

it might sound like it has too much treble and not much midbass warmth because of that

[molten lotus]

b2 is slightly v shaped

b2d is like dead neutral for iems

to the point people complain about it

[unique wind]

its basically ear gain treble with a 5db bass shelf

the iems im using right now are +15db at 20hz lmao

[molten lotus]

yeah im not a fan of the tuning

[unique wind]

dusk looks better just based on tuning but i havent heard either

[dry stratus]

too much bass nah jk, fine for iems

Headphones with -10db can hit harder than iems with flat bass

[scenic stump]

I do agree. One of my bassier iems has a very humped midbass to subbass

[molten lotus]

god i hate campfire

[scenic stump]

Fr. Ive prac owned a majority of cfa iems and out of all of them i only ever liked the atlas. But i do love my cascades as well

[unique wind]

thats my first time seeing the name campfire

[scenic stump]

Aside from solaris and andro. Cfa dont really have that much good iems

Ive owned about 3 andros and each time i sold them within a week of owning

Andro barely has any treble

[unique wind]

i only own low-midfi iems

kbear ks2, 7hz salnotes zero, moondrop aria, tangzu zetian wu

[scenic stump]

Save up for higher end iems! Trust me they are funn

I use my iems more than my headphones

[unique wind]

same, i almost never wear headphones

i use my zetian wu at work and at home

[scenic stump]

Yeah thats another reason i dont use hp much. They are cumbersome

[unique wind]

hella bass planar

[scenic stump]

fave planar ive heard was the audeze euclid

i4 was fun but annoying

[dry stratus]

I just wonder how their tws is, probs trash

[dry stratus]

Might be me when I finally decide to get some iem with a utws and have it finally stay in my ears

[unique wind]

could be

[scenic stump]

I heard in japan at least, they had a massive recall

But generally the orbit was really bassy

[dry stratus]

raycon level?

[scenic stump]

I wouldnt say they are.

Orbits are better but they are not worth the asking price

Compared to my wfxm4 and buds 2 pro orbit sounded low res

[dry stratus]

aka dogshit

[scenic stump]

It was fun sounding at least

I wouldnt call them dogsht

I know a lot more tws that sounded worse

[covert basin]

anyone spanish here anyone know if madridhifi is a legit site?

wanna get a fifine k688 since theres a good deal on it

[haughty girder]

It's fine, it'll reduce input slightly yes but it'll also almost completely eliminate plosives

also RE20 is known to sound the same regardless of angle if you're within its pickup pattern

so using the mic that way is completely valid

[unique wind]

that’s not within its pattern

it’s front address

[long jolt]

Hey all. What would be best gaming headset?

80-120$

[quaint depot]

Hey all. What would be best gaming headset?
Fixed it!

The actual best gaming headset is just a pair of good quality headphones with an external mic

[tepid torrent]

I agree with this take

[quiet ether]

pretty quiet headphones ngl

only the loudness of a chainsaw to ur ear

[elder coyote]

Yah pretty much honestly lol

[weak rapids]

What do yall believe to be the best feature in any form of headphones?

[tender frost]

Comfort
Sound quality
Detachable cable

That's about it for me

[quaint depot]

Sound Quality followed shortly by Comfort

[violet heron]

sound quality and comfort sit next to each other

if it technically sounds really good but is really clunky to use, then I'd rather get something that sounds a little "worse" for much better comfort

[slim mason]

Yup, headphones gotta have both for me

[violet heron]

detachable cable is nice, but a little nerving if it's proprietary. Still better than no detachable cable

Also open back is pretty important for me. But I think that goes into comfort

[slim mason]

I have open and closed backs, and also IEMs

Most comfortable pair I have is actually qc45

[molten lotus]

issue is

sometimes it isn't always "a little worse"

it is sometimes a lot worse

[scenic stump]

build followed by design then sound

tho i dont have as many headphones as i have iems. all my headphones follow a single design kek

[tepid torrent]

Sound, comfort

Sound should always be the first priority

[leaden cloak]

I think they’re both important. If you lack on one it makes the experience less appealing

[molten lotus]

sound is the last priority?

I can understand comfort being important but design is more important than the sound?

[scenic stump]

I have my priorities

Sony z7m2 and the cfa cascades are my go to (tho i have other headphones)

[molten lotus]

why do you need a good design for something you don't see while its on your head

[scenic stump]

My headphones are mostly just in my desk, looking aesthetic

And because my iems outperform my headphones by a large margin

[molten lotus]

I wonder why that is

[scenic stump]

Price range difference

[molten lotus]

I was being sarcastic

It's because you purchase based on design

[scenic stump]

Im not really good with sarcasm sorry

[molten lotus]

none of the headphones id consider to be excellent look good

except for hd800 and susvaras

and he1k

buying uglier headphones has proven to be the best way of ensuring audio quality in my experience

[scenic stump]

But yep dont u agree these are aesthetic

[scenic stump]

Good design actually goes hand in hand with good audio

[molten lotus]

I like the cascades

[lean grove]

I want cascade just for portability and memes

[molten lotus]

they look good

they sound like shit though

so does the z7m2

id rather have a 200$ open back over both of them

[scenic stump]

Im not really big on headphones myself. Im more into iems

Its why im satisfied with those

[molten lotus]

I don't see a reason to use iems indoors

[lean grove]

I can EQ the bass to normal

I can fix him

[tepid torrent]

Yea a lot of good headphones dont traditionally look good

[molten lotus]

same

I can eq my sundaras into susvaras

[lean grove]

Jecklin float moment

[scenic stump]

One reason is when its really hot

[molten lotus]

I mean

[lean grove]

Did carmon's EQ work

Has he solved audio

[molten lotus]

open backs sort of tackle that issue

[molten lotus]

yeah but I instead decided to turn my arias into susvaras

[tepid torrent]

Wuh

[molten lotus]

pocket susvaras

[scenic stump]

Not when you have obnoxious neighbors its why i barely use my openbacks

[molten lotus]

fair

i live in the quietest neighborhood there is

perfect place

[tepid torrent]

I dont think you can eq sundaras to susvaras

you can eq them to similar tunings

[molten lotus]

it was sarcasm

[tepid torrent]

Oh ic

[lean grove]

Yeah it's actually really easy to make any headphone perfect. All you need is an extreme amount of difficult research into an obtuse field

[molten lotus]

This

Just eq

[lean grove]

Once you do that part, you can do it with minimal effort

[molten lotus]

If you can understand everything about audio you can establish perfect sound no issues

[scenic stump]

I actually dont eq

I just sell it if i dont like it

My reason being it was tuned to be like that why bother even buying it to eq

But i agree my tastes arent really for everyone

[rose walrus]

Hello!

[scenic stump]

Hi

[tepid torrent]

Hello

[rose walrus]

Bought myself a nice headphone collection, but some says I should get a dac. Is there any you guys would recommend?

[scenic stump]

I just run everything off my player

[scenic stump]

Did you mod that grados?

Bare copper wire looks interesting on it

[rose walrus]

Yeah removable cable mod, and stuck a bit of bluetack on back of driver

[scenic stump]

Cool

[molten lotus]

did you buy them all at once

[rose walrus]

Separately

[solid dirge]

I was looking at the SURFANS F20 and HIFI WALKER H2 because I want a good dedicated player with a clickwheel design, but are there any models of those type of players with USB C? Ive basically completely left Micro B behind at this point

[scenic stump]

Questyle qpm

[solid dirge]

Beautiful player, but about 10x more than I want to pay

[haughty girder]

it's end address

it's close

[leaden cloak]

how much you wanna spend?

nice headphones also

i have the 880s as well

[rose walrus]

300?

[leaden cloak]

you could get a modi multibit 2. i dont know how good it is though

if you dont have an amp though, schiit modi and magni or jds labs atom stack is a good cheap set

[scenic stump]

Pretty good

[rose walrus]

Hmm

Some recommending Topping DX3 as well

[covert basin]

Im new to audio but what are these 2 ports on the left?

[nova wagon]

Xlr port

[covert basin]

Are there different xlr ports?

Or are the input and output different on xlr?

[nova wagon]

The device would label which is output and which is input

Xlr themselves can come in 3 pin to 7 pin variant

[covert basin]

Interesting

[covert basin]

So thats the 7 pin?

[nova wagon]

Most consumer audio products uses the 3 pin variant

[covert basin]

Doesnt look like a 3 pin nor a 7 pin fit in that port

Oh nvm after i zoom in i can see the small 3 pin circles

[dry stratus]

I mean, 4 pin XLR exists

[covert basin]

Half pin xlr when

[dry stratus]

half a pin would still be 1 pin, just smaller

[slim mason]

https://tenor.com/view/cyanide-and-happiness-no-limit-cut-it-in-half-chop-atom-gif-26545021

[unique wind]

yeah the front end

[tender frost]

Neither of the front ports are outputs

[covert basin]

”Input and ”output”

[molten lotus]

hard avoid

grab a zen air dac

[rose walrus]

Whats bad about them?

[slim mason]

I'm not paying for ifi products anymore after my zen dac decided to say fuck you and break for no reason

[molten lotus]

dead as fuck sound

if you want to get a topping may as well use an apple dongle

[unique wind]

the dx3 pro+ looks like a good overall package

1500mw into 32ohm, aptx low latency and LDAC bluetooth, clean dac

[molten lotus]

it sounds like trash

the numbers don't matter

stop reading asr please

[unique wind]

i didnt get that from asr :)

[molten lotus]

my bad

still really bad item

[unique wind]

just cause an amp doesnt intentionally soften sound doesnt mean it's bad

[molten lotus]

its just another generic op amp filled box

may as well use your motherboard

[slim mason]

I'm stuck with using the umc22 for my headphones for the time being, the sound is so dead

[unique wind]

99.9% of people do not care about these extraordinarily minute sound differences due to pcb layout and filters

it looks like a good starter unit

[molten lotus]

yeah therefore use your motherboard or an apple dongle

don't waste your money on dx3 which sounds the same as the next not shit motherboard dac/amp

if you want neutral audio we have had it since 10 years back

there is no need to spend money for it

[unique wind]

except with a 122db snr dac and 1800mw into 32ohm

with decent bluetooth

which a motherboard or dongle cant do

[molten lotus]

for a person who uses dt880 and 1990

why does it matter

you aren't going to realistically make use of that power

[unique wind]

i threw my dt770 80ohm on my new macbook pro because i was curious how itd go with their improved headphone output

had to max it out to get moderate listening volume

i can imagine a motherboard which has less power wouldnt cut it

[molten lotus]

i think you have issues with your listening volume

it easily gets above listening levels with a regular apple dongle

[unique wind]

i dont

im a low volume listener but i expect my device to be able to play uncomfortably loud if i ever wanted it to

[molten lotus]

anyways

the dt1990 is far more sensitive than the rest of the beyer lineup

[unique wind]

dt1990 with their "analytical" pads look like it's the best beyer headphone

but i still dont think id ever buy it

[molten lotus]

that's the rational choice

its overpriced af

[unique wind]

gotta get meze 99 and darkvoice

[molten lotus]

meze is so cringe for making the 99s an actually bad headphone

they look so good

[unique wind]

u can get a 109

[slim mason]

I mean if you have many pairs and want a fun warm pair too, theyre great

[molten lotus]

the measurements of this actually look promising

[slim mason]

Ofc theyre bad for critical listening but theyre fun, and super durable

[molten lotus]

I don't know a single person who has actually listened to this though

[unique wind]

idk man +10db at 120-250hz sounds like headache city

[molten lotus]

sort of this

below 100hz sure it can be fun

[slim mason]

Eh Ive used them a few times, theyre not bad, really

[molten lotus]

ideally it would be like 80hz though

[slim mason]

But they are really warm

[unique wind]

probably depends heavily on what you listen to

metal might actually be tolerable with them

[slim mason]

Metal was fine but theyre so fun for some songs with thumping bass

[unique wind]

i love bass boost i just dont want it boosted in the mid-high bass

[molten lotus]

did you try classical

[slim mason]

If I had a lot of headphones I can see myself buying a pair just to fuck with them from time to time

[unique wind]

i like subwoofer bass which is typically 80hz crossover

[slim mason]

And no, I dont listen to classical lol

[unique wind]

same

[molten lotus]

i asked ethan about the 109

he said he didn't like it

apparently his friend sold them to him for 350$ because he didn't like them either

i asked how much they costed and he said like 400$

[unique wind]

it looks like it has hifiman tuning

[molten lotus]

he was also very surprised to find out they were 800$

[unique wind]

1-3k dip and raised rollercoaster upper treble

[molten lotus]

is there a headphone that doesn't have upper treble like that

[unique wind]

im listening to the best song to test headphones with

hifi audiophiliac track

[weak rapids]

I love lists of studio headphones for gaming

All is fine then it has the last one “reasonable endgame hd800” like bro hd800 is not “reasonable” endgame for gaming, way more than you need for gaming

[dry stratus]

I mean, how often do you see enthusiast level gamers not go way over what is needed?

1440p240hz, 500-1000$ custom keyboards, etc

basically just the headphone for those, lel

[weak rapids]

True lol

I stick to my 1080p 144hz cause if I wanted 1440p 144hz I would need a bigger desk to fit 27 inchers and like a 4080 to be able to run most of my games at 1440 144fps lol

[slim mason]

custom keyboards have nothing to do with gaming and a 1440p 240hz actually just feels real nice even when it doesnt really give a competitive advantage

I bought one just because most games were running at close to 300fps on 1440p and having a 144hz monitor felt stupid

[dry stratus]

don't really seem to get what I said but sure

[slim mason]

and also, insane deal

[weak rapids]

Like I mean fuck, the games I play i barley get 100fps and i have a 3070, altho ig that makes sense when most of the games I play are kings of unoptimization

[molten lotus]

why would you get 1440 240hz

you can barely run any games with that resolution

[dry stratus]

4k120 more for me

[molten lotus]

and frame rate

[slim mason]

so far only game thats been under 200fps is hogwarts

[weak rapids]

My guy what gpu do you have? Or do you set everything to low quality?

[slim mason]

just a 4070ti

and no, all games max settings pretty much

[weak rapids]

Ive got Ark survival evolved, Valheim, and Gta 5 running below 100 with my 3070

[weak rapids]

Just

[slim mason]

wait gta 5 under 100 with a 3070?

that doesnt sound right

[weak rapids]

Gta online

Story mode is fine

[dry stratus]

Rip Ark optimization

[weak rapids]

Online performance is already worse then add in the modders lol

[weak rapids]

King of unoptimized

[dry stratus]

that game is a dumpster fire honestly

many issues, unoptimized af
does seem nice for mods tho

[weak rapids]

Especially the fucking pixelation for anything not directly infront of you

[unique wind]

gta 5 below 100 seems unusual

[weak rapids]

Just online

[unique wind]

try turning grass to normal, it makes a massive fps difference

[weak rapids]

It is

Online performance is under 100 but always over 60

Story mode im usually always over 120

[dry stratus]

wonder what BDO Ultra would perform like

on my 2080S it is 4 fps

meant for screenshots only tho

[covert basin]

BDO Ultra?

[dry stratus]

Ultra settings in black desert online are basically meant for only screenshots, so it is unoptimized af

[covert basin]

Ah

Anyways opinions on Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 3rd gen?

Got one for 45 + shipping so 51.9€ total

[molten lotus]

not good

just get an m track solo

direct upgrade

[covert basin]

How different are they

[nova wagon]

focusrite small stuff is pretty wacky in terms of driver and sometimes performance

[molten lotus]

focusrite is just

bad

its drivers are bad

its headphone output is bad

its preamps are eh

there isn't much of a reason to own one

[tender frost]

Y'all, generic amp/dac (combo or stack) with good output power for about £200?
I would just go Modi/Magni and call it a day except getting those in the UK is rarely an option

[weak rapids]

Motu m2 is good as well

[molten lotus]

m2 is great

but its too expensive

[molten lotus]

zendac/air

good piece of gear unless you need lots of power

[tender frost]

Alright neat cause I wanna get something that does more than 220mW for my LCD 2 lol

[lean grove]

How much power does the M2 have

[lean grove]

Are you running into volume issues with that much?

[molten lotus]

get a zen can with the dac

it will be like 230$ though

[tender frost]

No volume issues, but with everyone having raved about the dynamics of the LCD-2 and me not feeling any of it, well

[tender frost]

I'll just save a little more lol

[lean grove]

You could always hook it up to a speaker amp 🥴

[tender frost]

Don't got one I can easily uh.. borrow, near me lol

[lean grove]

Well for £200 you should be able to find something used.

[red surge]

Anyone here well versed in record turn tables? I’m looking for something relatively cheap <$200 with good output quality that I can hook up to aux and/or xlr

actually can I just get opinions on the AT-LP60X

[haughty girder]

still, my point being it will be relatively quiet because of the placement but it should otherwise sound the same

[haughty girder]

availability... their preamps are good, headphone output is wack and drivers... well they work

issue is just that the Arturia minifuse and UAD Volt lines are same price or cheaper and are better

but if you can't get either Focusrite is fine

[molten lotus]

issue is their drivers don't work most of the time

focusrite is very well known for their driver issues making their interfaces totally unusable

[haughty girder]

Sure, but it doesn't need a specialized driver to function because it's just another usb audio device

[molten lotus]

you do

[haughty girder]

you don't

[molten lotus]

it can literally not work

solely due to driver issues

[haughty girder]

base functionality all usb devices share the same driver

also it's just scarletts that do have issues

esp with electron apps which seem to hate focusrite specifically

and doesn't play well with most interfaces

[lean grove]

USB mics > XLR mics

[molten lotus]

yes the interface from the scarlet series which he asked whether he should buy or not

which I said not to because it has driver issues

[haughty girder]

I didn't disagree

I just said that they work

and you can get them literally anywhere

[molten lotus]

they work like shit

[haughty girder]

Not in my experience

YMMV ig

[molten lotus]

you have no idea how many people I know has rma'd their scarletts due to drivers

[weak rapids]

Straight up

[haughty girder]

and how many is because it wasn't working with discord

lol

[haughty girder]

not rly

[molten lotus]

they literally work with some recording software and not with others

[molten lotus]

uh none

[haughty girder]

if your budget is 150 then possibly

[haughty girder]

It worked with Ableton and Logic so

[lean grove]

😠

[haughty girder]

I haven't touched audacity in a while

[molten lotus]

wow that justifies it

great interface

[haughty girder]

and haven't used reaper or anything else

[molten lotus]

i recommend to everyone

seriously what are you even arguing

you already established the issues it has and its lack of performance

so why but it over anything to exist on the market

[haughty girder]

I'm arguing "there isn't much of a reason to own one" and "focusrite is just bad"

[weak rapids]

Buy a used goxlr on fb marketplace for more than a new one costs. Nothing better

[haughty girder]

I said it works and the preamps are good

[molten lotus]

there isn't a reason to own one because it's subpar to everything with half decent drivers

[weak rapids]

Scarlett’s preamps are horse shit

[haughty girder]

and focusrite is a huge company, scarletts are just one line of them

like saying Lexus are bad because your corolla had issues

[haughty girder]

goxlr... isn't any better

[weak rapids]

I was memeing

[haughty girder]

and goxlr mini doesn't even have 48v phantom power

[molten lotus]

it isn't any better

[haughty girder]

what I'm saying is the reason to get a scarlett is when you can't find anything else, because they work

[molten lotus]

yet still has better drivers

lol

[haughty girder]

yea for triple the cost it better

[weak rapids]

But there’s cheaper and better

[molten lotus]

what if it's more available 😳

and if it works???

[haughty girder]

when you can't find anything else.

[molten lotus]

🤯

[haughty girder]

motu M2 had 0 availability for the longest time

[weak rapids]

How tf the only thing you gonna find gonna be a scarlett

[haughty girder]

you haven't stepped outside have you

lol

in the middle of covid

I shit you not it was either m audio or a scarlett here

[molten lotus]

focusrite is more difficult to find in most 3rd world countries because its higher end

behringer on the other hand is everywhere

[haughty girder]

no?

[weak rapids]

The middle of covid is when I swapped between like 5 xlr interfaces lol

[molten lotus]

so which country are you talking about

[haughty girder]

Canada

[molten lotus]

oh so

stepping outside is uh

canada

thx

not europe

not middle east

[haughty girder]

uhm

[molten lotus]

not asia

just canada

[haughty girder]

you do realize how popular scarletts are there

right

all those locations

[molten lotus]

you are digging your own grade with every word you say

you complain of the lack of availability of other interfaces

[haughty girder]

you're pointing certain details out and pulling conclusions

[molten lotus]

I am listening

so buying a focusrite is fine because of lack of avilability

but goxlr is not

[haughty girder]

I never said you should buy a scarlett

esp when I literallylisted better options

I said when the better options don't exist

[molten lotus]

issue is

better options always exist almost anywhere

[weak rapids]

Only reason to get a Scarlett is cause you found it in a dumpster

[molten lotus]

I don't know what canada is

but in europe there are better options everywhere

so are there in the middle east

so where is this "lack of interfaces everywhere"

[weak rapids]

Idk what hes on either, middle of covid I swapped between 5 interfaces from different companies, im from Canada

[haughty girder]

When did I said everywhere

[molten lotus]

you are basing judgement particularly regarding your own circumstances

and then complain about people not going outside

[haughty girder]

you took it literally huh.

[haughty girder]

that's not everywhere

I said here

[lean grove]

Dark mode 📳

[haughty girder]

I made a scenario where I've seen

[molten lotus]

if you are basing your argument particularly off of argument why disagree with it being being less available in the middle easy

or in europe

or m2 not being available anywhere

[haughty girder]

you recc'd m2

[molten lotus]

those are conditions exclusively to where you live

[haughty girder]

not rly

right now it isn't, you can find it

but I also specified a specific timeframe

[molten lotus]

its on thomann

literally

[haughty girder]

when it was true for me

[molten lotus]

https://www.thomann.de/intl/motu_m2.htm

[haughty girder]

not everyone has thomann.

[molten lotus]

so you are again arguing about your particular circumstances

yet disagree that it isn't available

are you like

joking

[haughty girder]

because I used my circumstances as a scenario where scarlett could make sense

[molten lotus]

you are saying things that contradict with one another every eighty seconds

[haughty girder]

because you couldn't get the M2

I never said that's the case right now

[molten lotus]

.

oh wait

my mistake

misunderstood that statement

[haughty girder]

yea.....

[molten lotus]

anyways for the longest time m2 has always been available on thomann

your argument is based on where you live

[haughty girder]

yep.

And would apply where thomann doesn't ship

or sweetwater

or any other ecommerce store

[molten lotus]

so stop disagreeing with people when they say scarlett is less available in the rest of the world 😄

is isn't in asia

[haughty girder]

uh...?

[molten lotus]

it isn't in the middle east

it is only available in europe and usa

[haughty girder]

now I'm confused

Scarlett has never had availability issues

it's the ones that are better

[molten lotus]

if its in a country that has focusrite then yes it is mostly available

issue is it isn't available everywhere

[haughty girder]

ie m2, minifuse 1/2, etc.

[molten lotus]

you are yet again

commenting regarding your surroundings

whereas behringer and motu is more widespread in asia

and behringer is a lot more widespread in the middleast

[haughty girder]

Motu isn't, Behringer is tho

Issue with Behringer is that.... their drivers are worse

or lack thereof

[molten lotus]

they aren't worse

they use generic drivers

[haughty girder]

they don't exist

[molten lotus]

which is compatible with everything

[haughty girder]

exactly

exactly

[molten lotus]

contrary to focusrite

which is sometimes functioning

only lack of behringer is lack of asio

in their lower end

[haughty girder]

which doesn't matter for vc and stuff

ik, um2 and umc22 lack asio

but then asio4all iirc worked ok

[molten lotus]

they do

[haughty girder]

anyways

M track solo > umc22

[molten lotus]

it is

[haughty girder]

aside from build but yea

[molten lotus]

direct upgrade

[haughty girder]

UMC202HD is fine if you need two inputs

it's relatively cheap

technically better than the M track duo

but then there's that entire thing about 192khz

where the adc they use doesn't support 192

[solid dirge]

The pin in the middle fits an instrument cable such as for a guitar

[covert basin]

Yeah i found out its xlr didnt know xlr can look like that

[solid dirge]

Well I mean its XLR but can also fit a 1/4in plug

[bitter wind]

Anyone know a tweeter I could put in this Phonic Ask 215 speaker? I cannot find one. All I know is that it’s a 1.8’ titanium tweeter.

[lean grove]

It's a compression driver. Try and find something on parts express

[haughty girder]

what did uou think XLR looked like?

lol

[covert basin]

im new to audio lol dont mind me

[haughty girder]

Dw abt it

now you know

the most popular connector for connecting microphones to mixers and interfaces

[covert basin]

like i knew what xlr is but the xlr connector on the soundcard looked odd

[long jolt]

what Razer Kraken headphones would be best?

[spark dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/11yppdd/there_is_nothing/

[unique wind]

they’re best when left at the store on the shelf

[long jolt]

then pm me a good headset to choose from.

[weak rapids]

Why you want him to pm you and not just say it here

[long jolt]

cuz of stupid replies to a normal question, why is it so hard to say facts why they are bad and why i should not buy them. and what would be a better alternative

[lean grove]

I haven't heard of a pair of razer headphones that sound better than ksc75.

Their entire brand is fashion and gamer aesthetics to lure people into buying mediocre products

[long jolt]

then give me a list of few headphones that you would suggest

[weak rapids]

why should you not buy them? maybe because the freq repsonse is hot trash, everything about it is hot garbage like wtf

[lean grove]

Koss porta pro communication headset.

[molten lotus]

three dead neutral opamp filled amps in the 100$ price bracket sounds THE SAME????

:O

[molten lotus]

because they are bad on an objective scale

their every measurement is subpar and bad

they aren't technically impressive nor tuning wise

at some point bad headphones step into a zone where they are straight up so cursed they are objectively bad on a non subjective scale

razer is that

[molten lotus]

I think I am aiming at the moondrop venus

build quality: 100

lol

[lean grove]

Penus

[weak rapids]

Like bro, soundguys is a bad review area and a reason is because they are very lenient on audio quality, and yet, Razer headphones have a con point being “bad audio quality”

Its bad lol

[molten lotus]

you are better off spending $100 on a decent set of headphones and then a mic set up

[rose walrus]

What headphones do you guys use btw?

Might pickup Zen Dac.

[slim mason]

R70x, dt880, diokos

[molten lotus]

HE400se

[lean grove]

Hd414

[molten lotus]

Trolly today aren't we

[rose walrus]

Oo, nice

Just have sr80e, dt880, dt1990, and Linkbuds S

[molten lotus]

sorry about the grado's

[lean grove]

Wym

[molten lotus]

Aren't thos actually somewhat terrible sounding?

[lean grove]

Nah they sound great.

2000 ohm early revision model

[ornate linden]

I like planors

[molten lotus]

does anyone think the moondrop electrostatic will be any good?

[lean grove]

You gonna get an estat next?

I've got an srd-7 I need to get rid of.

Hopefully it'll be normal bias.

[molten lotus]

I think I'm sticking with planar

[lean grove]

Estat is just a planar on crack

[ornate linden]

Do we even have any info on moonzero

Besides from that initial launch vid

[molten lotus]

r70x & sundaras

[molten lotus]

i have my doubts

[rose walrus]

Any IEMs worth getting that are good and collection?

[molten lotus]

don't collect stuff

if you have money to spare to make one big expensive purchase go for that instead

buying 10 midfi headphones is not going to make your audio anymore colorful

[rose walrus]

Hmmm

[molten lotus]

like trust me

you don't want a zeos wall

or a dankpods e-waste storage

99% of those cans are collecting dust

i assume your headphones apart from 1990 also are

[rose walrus]

I use the dt880 more actually...

[molten lotus]

this says a lot about the beyerdynamic lineup

[rose walrus]

What about IEMs?

[molten lotus]

mest mk2 is pretty good

[rose walrus]

Oo, how much is that?

[molten lotus]

like

1500$ish i think

[rose walrus]

Hmm....

[prime minnow]

lol the zeos wall

[plain widget]

but it's better to store ewaste there rather than in the ground

[molten lotus]

I

[tender frost]

LCD-2

[molten lotus]

I got er2se like eartips delivered

I didn't know my ears were this deep

I am in pain

[mellow sleet]

I have a 10 inch subwoofer under my desk, could it shatter my glass side panel? My pc is on my desk. Sorry if this is the wrong chat

[molten lotus]

it shouldn't break anything

breaking stuff with sound is a bit more difficult than hitting a high tone as a disney tv actor

[mellow sleet]

Yea I guess

Alright thanks

[molten lotus]

what a subwoofer can do is causing things to slip out of place though

if you have something loosely placed it could shake it around

[mellow sleet]

Just came to mind since I bought a new fancy case

[molten lotus]

which can cause issues

[mellow sleet]

Yea I'm fine that way

[slim mason]

Absolutely not, I blast my sub often and its right under my pc

[unique wind]

(i think) you would need ear rupturing volume to break glass

many thousands of watts like a car sub battle

[molten lotus]

it's really funny when you see someone in their car with so much bass the sheet metal is flexing. Eventually material stress will be exceeded and EVERY BODY PANEL ON THE CAR will implode

it's also fun to point and laugh when that happens and their $1,000s of dollars of excessive "listen to my music with me" bullshit costs them $10,000 in damage

[dry stratus]

but what if its a frequency below or above our hearing range?, it wouldn't be ear rupturing would it?

[dry stratus]

personally don't think its funny, I just think its sad they feel like being loud = being cool

would pay for their therapy sessions, but its usually hopeless

[molten lotus]

if you can like

match a certain wavelength it's possible

but I don't think subs do that wavelength

[molten lotus]

it's not "wavelength" is magnetic stresses on the sheet metal, and moving air "wavelength" has nothing to do with it

and then you add in metal fatigue and it happens

what you are speaking of is breaking glass with pressure

not with sound exclusively

I've watched it happen to a civic being annoyingly loud at a stoplight their entire back half of the car caved in and stayed caved

with sound you need to match the wavelength to the particular material

and composition of glass

like that you can efficiently destroy glass

[molten lotus]

not glass the actual metal body panels

but it isn't something easy to do

[molten lotus]

you are talking about vibrating shit to make them break

shaking it around and stressing it

I am talking about basically defusing glass

with sound

https://futurism.com/science-sound-breaking-glass-panes-car-speakers

@molten lotus you have me confused with someone else

why

other people were talking about breaking glass, i interjected the manner in which i've seen damage done to a car with speakers which is a totally different mode of operation

the primary force that causes metal panels to implode is magnetics

I was talking about the most likely way of killing glass in a desktop environment with sound

and you disagreeing with the wavelength is just straight up false

even if you are breaking glass with magnitude and pressure alone you are still likely to cause more of both by vibrating air at a large wavelength

which a subwoofer causes

we are talking about 2 completely the fuck different things

it isn't volume alone

[unique wind]

i think it still damages your hearing regardless because it's still air pressure

[molten lotus]

i think so too

[lean grove]

There's no way your car speakers are making a magnetic field that strong.

Like maybe if you had a couple of active MRI machines in your trunk maybe

[molten lotus]

Large speakers create magnetic fields in the multi tesla range. Yes they can. MRI machines are 10s of tesla. Electromagnets in junkyards are only a few tesla.

It's not instant it's consistent flexing of metal over time causing metal to fatigue

bend a paperclip back and forth

my mri machine killed my speakers

big loss

[lean grove]

That multi Tesla magnetic field is localized entirely on the voice coil and within the magnet.

And the electro magnet part is entirely in the coil.

If your magnetic field is leaking out that far, something is very very wrong.

More likely if these cars are imploding it's from the air pressure. Not the magnetic field.

[molten lotus]

Well either way its satisfying to watch someone destroy their car via the thing that annoys everyone around them

[ornate blaze]

I am sure that it would take a lot of time for that to ever happen, IF it happened 😐

[molten lotus]

if it's many times a second metal fatigue can happen surprisingly fast

[ornate blaze]

The average car subwoofer is never going to cause that ffs

[lean grove]

What if you're a terrible person and optimized your subwoofer for 120db at 80hz

[ornate blaze]

😂

[lean grove]

I think it could happen. Especially if you're that terrible type.

[molten lotus]

I have SEEN it happen. In person.

[lean grove]

But if it were common we'd see natural selection at work.

[ornate blaze]

Yeah ok, I believe you

[molten lotus]

It was one of those set ups where it's a bunch of speakers lining the inside of the back of the trunk

[lean grove]

Also there's something to be said about elastic deformation vs plastic deformation

[ornate blaze]

That isn’t a typical/average subwoofer setup

Competition spl cars have reinforced bodies and glass for that reason

[molten lotus]

It is more common in "competitive" Style set ups, and posers will be posers

and the one I saw recently that was flexing their body panels was a pickup that obviously had subs mounted in the door panels

[ornate blaze]

Again, that isn’t typical

[molten lotus]

But it is satisfying to know that douche was destroying his car because of his annoying over spending

[ornate blaze]

And that is spl, not the magnets

[molten lotus]

pretty sure magnets contribute. Magnetic flux isn't neatly contained unless it's shielded and then that would negatively effect the performance of the speaker.

[ornate blaze]

It’s spl

[lean grove]

It's very nearly contained.

If you're making tesla's of magnetic field a foot away, that is a VERY powerful magnet.

[molten lotus]

well, a drunk driver just merc'd themselves outside my house

[mild quail]

so

I have a choice but not a good one

Speakers under desk, or behind monitors?

[molten lotus]

terrible choice

[mild quail]

Indeed

[molten lotus]

just listen to both and decide for yourself

[mild quail]

that would require moving a lot of stuff

and rewiring

[molten lotus]

I can't telepathically measure the reflections and echoing of your room structure and materials using my intj brain strength

[mild quail]

Yeah true

But generally which is better

my office is a closet so lots of reflections either way

[molten lotus]

I don't know mate

I have never used speakers behind monitors

I don't think anyone here has

[mild quail]

it's pretty commonm

[molten lotus]

no it isn't

what sort of cursed place do you reside in

[mild quail]

not an audiophile's dreamland

[molten lotus]

which agent of the devil normalized putting speakers behind monitors

i pray for your soul

[mild quail]

you'd hate my current setup then

[molten lotus]

I have came to that conclusion based on the initial question

this is complete bullshit but

if you place it below the desk it would probably have more bass

and be muffled

behind the monitor no idea probably less muffled but thinner sounding

I don't have a basis for any of this

[mild quail]

Currently I have 2 large speakers front L/R under desk, 2 smaller ones on top of those, and 2 large-ish ones behind me L/R under desk as well

[molten lotus]

why

[mild quail]

space

[molten lotus]

its not like adding three pairs of speakers will improve the sound

why don't you just use headphones

or in ears

[mild quail]

I have headphones

I like swapping sometimes

[lean grove]

Do what you want man

[molten lotus]

this

why three pairs of speakers anyways

[mild quail]

because free

[molten lotus]

you are just asking for a fuck ton of phasing

[mild quail]

They were kinda just laying about

[molten lotus]

its not like 3 speakers = better

if anything its very likely worse

[lean grove]

Hello #audio-tech I need help deciding between crushing my legs between a hydraulic press and eating a jar full of nails. Any advice will help. Thank you.

[molten lotus]

I have seen hydraulic press being utilized on femurs before id say go for it

[mild quail]

and this is why audiophiles shell out $18,000 for a network switch

[molten lotus]

I can't say nails are hygienic

[lean grove]

What if they're hot nails

They'd be sanitary if you put them in a furnace

[molten lotus]

the food afterwards will have some sort of bacteria

[mild quail]

all of this stuff was free and I just wanted to use it

Receiver is about to turn 20y, some of the speakers are older

[lean grove]

There's a difference between the audiophiles who buy $20k network equipment and audiophiles who think that speakers should be pointed at you.

[molten lotus]

my speakers are like 40 years old

its not a matter of age

good speakers are good

[mild quail]

also smashed cone :p

[molten lotus]

but no matter the speakers putting three pairs together isn't a good idea

unless its a surround setup built for the purpose

[lean grove]

How about this Beano. If you have these speakers. Put them under your desk and behind your monitor and find out what sounds best.

[molten lotus]

its fine

[mild quail]

that would require reconfiguring the desk and rewiring the speakers

[molten lotus]

I used speakers with broken cones before

not the end of the world

[mild quail]

alright then

[molten lotus]

they can still sound not terrible

try not using three pairs though that's just fucked up

[mild quail]

I know of a few other pairs I could get

various ages and brands

[molten lotus]

it doesn't really mean jackshit if its going behind your monitor or under your desk

go get headphones instead mate

consistent performance regardless of placing

[mild quail]

I have both headphones and speakers

Sometimes I dont want to wear headphones and want "good enough" quality

[molten lotus]

if your headphone performance is equivalent to three pairs of speakers 2/3 being under a desk I am worried of it

[mild quail]

nah theyre better

and 3/3 pairs under the desk actually 🤓

[molten lotus]

terrible

anyways any recommendations we can give you will be for normal use

not under desk or behind monitor

for all we know a shittier pair could sound a lot better behind a desk or something else

compared to a normally good speaker

[molten lotus]

oh my god they are surrounded by concrete too

[mild quail]

Nope

Drywall just gray

[molten lotus]

that's not as bad

[molten lotus]

still i am not complimenting anything

epic cat though

[mild quail]

Back ones

[molten lotus]

do you have two desks

one facing front and the other facing your back

[mild quail]

Custom desk, u shape

Converted closet.

[molten lotus]

can't you fit small bookshelves or something

something like creative pebble 2.1

[mild quail]

I don’t have much money

This audio stuff was all free

Pretty nice receiver tho

H/K AVR 330

Does well

[mild quail]

What about this? Creative SBS52

(Grill is off bc I was fixing it)

[molten lotus]

what the fuck lmao

I mean

[mild quail]

Old

[molten lotus]

go ahead try it

[mild quail]

One side doesn’t work but I could fix that

[molten lotus]

I am not saying anything about the quality of the speaker itself it may be damn good

[mild quail]

They’re pretty decent

[molten lotus]

I am just confused you pulled out a cambridge speaker out on demand

[mild quail]

Haha

Had em for a long long while

[molten lotus]

what is wrong with it

[mild quail]

Left channel won’t turn on

Other than that don’t know

[molten lotus]

epic

[mild quail]

Probably capacitor plague or something

[molten lotus]

probably

[mild quail]

Early 2000s and all

[molten lotus]

didn't know early 2000s speakers had common issues with capacitor corrosion

[mild quail]

I don’t know if they do, I just know early 2000s capacitors we’re generally bad

I could also add a sub.

Might do that actually.

[molten lotus]

subs are actually usable below desks

[mild quail]

Yeah

It’s just space, and whether or not I want to destroy everything, with the room being so small

know what ima do it

[haughty moon]

Cambridge

[mild quail]

what about them

[haughty moon]

I like cambridge audio stuff

[mild quail]

Good

Should mean theyre decent at least

[haughty moon]

should be

even their low end is quite good ... and usually can be found for not that high price

[mild quail]

Pretty

[haughty moon]

indeed

and they sound pretty good too

I think those are one of their smaller bookshelves

S30

[mild quail]

Uh oh lol

maybe too much power draw

receiver tripped off

nope I just turned it up too much

[red surge]

anyone well versed with record turn tables?

[molten lotus]

not well versed but I know about their gimmicks although not of their market particulars

what is your question

[bright osprey]

How do people feel about the hifiman Ananda's with the schiit magni+?

[molten lotus]

if you care about price/performance go for edition xs instead

they do different things slightly better than one another, perfectly comparable two headphones

if you aren't sure ananda is what you want then edition xs is a good cheaper alternative that is completely comparable in terms of performance

and magni 3+ is a perfectly fine amplifier

although personally I prefer the ifi zen can

zen can and zen dac are my favorite entry level items <300$

[bright osprey]

Funnily enough I consider the editing xs but overall the headband won me over. I have dreadlocs and the headphone of my he400se stretches on my scalp and irritates me

So I ended up going for the Anandas

[molten lotus]

your choice

if you think that the xs sounds better than the anandas you can also spend the additional 200$ you save from buying the xs on purchasing the ananda headband

[bright osprey]

Fair point

By chance do you have any knowledge about these speakers?

PreSonus Eris E3.5-3.5" Near Field Studio Monitor (Pair) https://a.co/d/aV49TZJ

[molten lotus]

id be lying if I said I have heard these particular speakers

but the general word about cheap presonus speakers and these ones is that they are not bad but they are not particularly worth buying over edifiers either

though it's just hearsay

[bright osprey]

Yeah I've heard more people definitely say it'd be better to buy edifiers

[molten lotus]

edifier mr4 are generally good speakers

1280 for a cheaper option

[bright osprey]

Did you mean 1280T?

[molten lotus]

all the 1280 versions are the same mostly

just minor changes to their back panel or other features like bluetooth

[bright osprey]

Oooooooooh

Okay gotcha

[quaint torrent]

So I was looking at getting some earbuds and I noticed something funny

[fast coyote]

A retractable cord and 500 kg weight?! Fuck yeah! Just what I'm looking for

[sullen marsh]

hey, this is legit, right? or how can i verify it;s legit?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004581726720.html

[lean grove]

If you buy it and it comes in the mail it is legit

[sullen marsh]

lol, i just dont wanna pay for it and then it comes and it's some cheap knock-off of a budget IEM

or it doesnt come at all because they didnt send it properly lol

etc, whatever issue could come from a bad actor

[quaint torrent]

I mean that’s a actual brand which you can also buy on Amazon but apparently it has terrible qc though

[sullen marsh]

really? i mean, unless you guys know of a bdget IEM with similar audio quality but better QC, best i can get atm it seems

[quaint torrent]

I mean the one thing about cheap Chinese iems that I have tried they all have terrible qc issues

For me my personal favourite is cca cra

[sullen marsh]

ill take a gander

[quaint torrent]

The easiest to make them last is don’t sleep with them in or try and not get them yanked out of your ears

If your gonna sleep with earbuds in get some true wireless earbuds

[sullen marsh]

yeah im planning on whichever i end up getting to treat them like $1k worth IEMs lol

[quaint torrent]

Then I’d recommend the cca cra

Best for the price in my opinion if you like v shaped sounds

The way I would describe the sound with nonsense audiophile terminology is crispy

[sullen marsh]

this one? https://campaign.aliexpress.com/wow/gcp/tesla-pc-new/index?UTABTest=aliabtest377151_530968&src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=19366939908&albag=&trgt=&crea=en1005004003733265&netw=x&device=c&albpg=&albpd=en1005004003733265&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8e-gBhD0ARIsAJiDsaXp9meVXMdjnACUq-lAbfVYVdUM9fbwdKlKEGpMx7Q07LxwxneSE7kaAvCQEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=4e1bf852f4e54161b2f713bf69a7f03d-1679631787397-09111-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=4e1bf852f4e54161b2f713bf69a7f03d-1679631787397-09111-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=d3001c5620ac480d8cb56fbfd01cea26&wh_weex=true&wx_navbar_hidden=true&wx_navbar_transparent=true&ignoreNavigationBar=true&wx_statusbar_hidden=true&bt_src=ppc_direct_lp&scenario=pcBridgePPC&productId=1005004003733265&OLP=1085100208_f_group2&o_s_id=1085100208

[quaint torrent]

Yep

I personally get them on Amazon for like triple that price

[sullen marsh]

lucky me lol

well we'll see how lucky

ill take a gander at it first before i committto buying

[rose walrus]

I'm looking for a music player on the go, is there any you guys would recommend?

Using Dusk, phone doesn't have headphone jack.

[deep bison]

What functions should it have

[rose walrus]

Idk, volume knob or buttons, 4.4mm would be nice to use. Sounds good.

[deep bison]

A portable player with a 4.4 mm uh that won’t be cheap (I only know prices in Germany)

[deep bison]

I don’t know cheap Player with a 4.4 plug port

I know some but they are well more expensive 200€+ used 400-700€ new

[rose walrus]

Which ones are they? I'll take a look

[deep bison]

FiiO M11 in case it is still available used it new would probably be the best choice but in Germany I couldn’t find one
The FiiO M11 Plus used is approximately 300€+ used

I would probably go with a used one

Here I just can’t find so many new

Maybe someone else knows some better players

[rose walrus]

I'll check them out, thanks.

[jade bolt]

Hey guys!

Any recommendations for general equality earbuds for listening to YouTube during work? I was reading the Galaxy buds and the Google pros are pretty decent. Any thoughts? I use a Galaxy Fold 3

Alternatively i can just get a USB-C to headphone adapter lol

[bitter hollow]

buds pro are better for youtube since the battery life is great

[tepid torrent]

Budget? and what are you looking for specifically?

[tepid torrent]

Wuh

[scenic stump]

hi

[tepid torrent]

WHA

[scenic stump]

i highly recommend lotoo paw gold touch. Just wait for a sale to happen

[rose walrus]

Isint it a little pricy

[scenic stump]

thats true but i can attest that it is byfar one of the best sounding players out there. I prefer it to my player as well

can easily sell too with minimal loss to srp and even better since its on sale