audio-tech

[molten lotus]

turkey

[livid rapids]

4000$

[nimble dirge]

Okay

[dry stratus]

tho that entire company is like that

[molten lotus]

yeah for something that probably gets outclassed by 300$ monitors

[molten lotus]

Alright

[dry stratus]

they all fashion/furniture with sound output capability

[livid rapids]

bang olfusen is fr apple of audio

[molten lotus]

yes

[dry stratus]

apple still better tho

[molten lotus]

similar to apple they were also actually a really good company once

[livid rapids]

when we getting the max 2

pods max feel outdated

[dry stratus]

I would get their speakers if I had the money and had to design my home from scratch at some point and fit it all together

[molten lotus]

I wouldn't get their speakers

:^)

[livid rapids]

apple home pods is the last thing i would want to buy

[dry stratus]

not talking about apple in this case

[molten lotus]

tf is a home pod

oh alexa

but apple

[livid rapids]

alxea copy basically

[dawn hedge]

These?

[dry stratus]

a smart home hub with a shitty voice assistant and speaker

[molten lotus]

yes

[dry stratus]

HE6 > he400se

[livid rapids]

that design looks like from 1998

[molten lotus]

its from 2019 unfortunately

[livid rapids]

oh they are studio nvm

[molten lotus]

2021 apparently

[livid rapids]

i wonder how studio headphones sound

they must sound like heaven

[dry stratus]

that kinda design from them is a lot older tho

[molten lotus]

studio is just a marketing term

you can call anything a studio headphone

[unique wind]

most of the headphones marketed as studio headphones are bad

[molten lotus]

there are no legal parameters for it

and yeah most studio headphones are just bad

its pretty fucking dumb though

[livid rapids]

studio headphones in the sense of the ones that producers use

[dry stratus]

basically just marketing BS in the same way as gaming headsets

[dawn hedge]

I was looking at the Philips X2HR Fidelio because I found a pair for $99 do you know how they compare to the ones I have?

[unique wind]

it's really annoying that in literally every aspect of tech the companies are liars and fuck over consumers

[molten lotus]

companies on their way to spend 5000$ on a mic marginally better than the 500$ one but any headphone above the shitty 1980 made sony studio headphones is too much

[unique wind]

especially so in the display and audio segments

[molten lotus]

he400se better

[livid rapids]

its just that business men are ruling rather than knowledgeable engineers

[dawn hedge]

How comfortable are they for long periods of time of wearing?

[molten lotus]

hmm

they have the same earpads as the sundaras

[unique wind]

they feel weightless and barely clamp

[livid rapids]

anyone uses audio eq for everyday use?

[molten lotus]

if you wear them correctly they should go for 6 hours on your head without being too much

if you wear them wrong it your ears will ache in 4-6 hours

[unique wind]

speaker enthusiasts do but most headphone enthusiasts prefer not to eq

[molten lotus]

i do

[livid rapids]

show your setting

[molten lotus]

i mean

alright

[livid rapids]

subjective

[unique wind]

yes all audio enjoyment is subjective

some people love headphones that are objectively terrible

[molten lotus]

it correlates with objectivity

you will rarely find someone that prefers he400se to he6

if you ever can

[unique wind]

the vast majority of younger men like setups with extreme bass boosts

[livid rapids]

this is mine

[molten lotus]

that is until you introduce them to good sound

give someone a good he6 setup for a week

[livid rapids]

bass boost just kills clarity and sharpness after one point

[molten lotus]

they wont turn back to bloated bass on their own volution

i mean

[dawn hedge]

Like the Sennheiser HD 559?

[molten lotus]

should you really be saying that

with a 10dB bass boost

lmao

[livid rapids]

ive pumped up the treble so works out

again

its subjective

+audio eq varies WIDELY with every pair of headphones

[molten lotus]

it just gives the impression of having more clarity and punch

[unique wind]

it is subjective yes but klaus was pointing out the irony of you making an objective claim

and then doing exactly what you said is bad

[molten lotus]

if you have a headphone that can already do those things well there is no benefit to eq

[molten lotus]

I said it correlates

[livid rapids]

yeah, i have pumped it up in such a way it doesnt kill the clarity

[unique wind]

what headphones do you use?

[livid rapids]

beats studio 3

they are mid asf tbh

[molten lotus]

michael crashed

[unique wind]

sorry i had an aneurysm

[molten lotus]

so yeah about what we were saying about bass boost and eq :^)

[livid rapids]

i thought beats would be something ultra extra ordinarily heavenly and pleasing but turns out to be avg

[molten lotus]

well yeah

[unique wind]

skullcandy crusher evo on max whack mode is peak audio

40db bass boost is optimal

[molten lotus]

harman 2023 target

[livid rapids]

outdated asf, they should bring out new ones

[unique wind]

they should go bankrupt

[molten lotus]

probably

[unique wind]

they produce absolute atrocities and people buy them anyway

[livid rapids]

like that was fucking 2016 skullcandy

you think its worth it 2023?

idts

[molten lotus]

the skullcandy? no

[unique wind]

nothing skullcandy makes is worth buying

[molten lotus]

old headphones? yeah

[unique wind]

and theres nothing wrong with old headphones

[molten lotus]

akg k1000 was made in like 1980

still one of the best ever made

[unique wind]

some of the most popular headphones were designed in the 80s

[molten lotus]

people sell them for 1000$

in damaged conditions at that

[unique wind]

analog audio gear doesnt really ever go obsolete

you can put 1975 speakers on a brand new amplifier

[molten lotus]

that's what I am doing

though I wish they were maggies instead

[unique wind]

or vice versa

[molten lotus]

I was going to import a 1980ish made amplifier had the shipping not be 300 euros

[unique wind]

get something from the 70s

with the wood and metal finish

[dry stratus]

audio doesn't get much better, just cheaper

[molten lotus]

sort of this

honestly

[unique wind]

well yeah audio gear is extremely simple compared to video

we figured it out a long time ago

we just keep coming up with cheaper and more efficient things

[molten lotus]

not for headphones tbh

that market improved a fuck ton

[dry stratus]

average audio might even be worse...
just because more and more bass in consumer audio
tho it has turned back a bit thankfully with the death of beats

[unique wind]

microphones today arent really much better than ones from the 60s or 70s

the re20 has been the broadcast standard for decades

[molten lotus]

in a good way or bad

is it an sm7b or an at2020

[dry stratus]

remember the days of 3D and Curved TVs?

[unique wind]

the re20 is a good mic in my opinion

[unique wind]

some people miss 3d still

[dry stratus]

too jank

[unique wind]

but curved tvs are stupid

[dry stratus]

still better than whatever nintendo did with 3DS

with the 3D mode mostly just duplicating the same image for fake 3D

[unique wind]

i used my 3ds with the 3d turned off a lot of the time, it kind of gave me a headache

[livid rapids]

oh hell yeah

that will look royal

[dry stratus]

I mean, ofc
go watch a 3D movie in cinema without the glasses

instant headache

[livid rapids]

*cancer

like whats the point

[dry stratus]

I personally hate 3D anyway...

[livid rapids]

tbh, i dont see much of a differnce in 2D and 3D

[molten lotus]

nobody likes 3d conpin

its 2d

but fucking blurry

[unique wind]

theres a small very vocal community who loves it and wants it back

[livid rapids]

the only difference i see the price

[molten lotus]

wants what back

3d?

[unique wind]

3d on tvs yeah

[molten lotus]

oh

i meant in cinemas

[dry stratus]

"2D but with fuckery that messes up like 90% of people and seems kinda 3D-ish"

just make VR headsets better instead

[livid rapids]

^

[molten lotus]

vr will be good

in 10 years

[unique wind]

the issue with vr headsets is that we just dont have the PC power to drive a headset with a high enough resolution for it to not look like shit

[livid rapids]

meta enters the chat

[dry stratus]

VR for portable setups when

[molten lotus]

they render at 6k

so

[unique wind]

we need 8k per eye at minimum

[molten lotus]

you can't help but have shit graphics

[livid rapids]

is there any negative effect on the eye due to VR?

[molten lotus]

you become stupid

like conpin

permanently

[unique wind]

if you use it all day every day yes

otherwise no not really

[molten lotus]

doctors call it conpin syndrome

[dry stratus]

I wouldn't mind if meta or microsoft made some VR program to have a VR office environment (interact "in person" without requiring an actual office building)

[molten lotus]

they did

pretty sure that was the point of metaverse

[dry stratus]

conpin syndrome would be "everything makes you sick somehow and inhuman proportions"

[unique wind]

it could make your vision worse if you use it all day every day because youre only letting your eyes focus on something very close to your face

[molten lotus]

vr is just how you get conpin syndrome

[dry stratus]

seemed more like worse VRChat

[molten lotus]

it is

essentially

[livid rapids]

yeah, thats what i thought

[dawn hedge]

Could a Yamaha ZG01 drive them?

[molten lotus]

uh

maybe

tf is this thing

[lean grove]

It'll get them loud enough

[dry stratus]

not that VRChat isn't already a mess with some very cursed communities

[molten lotus]

gamers on their way to buy the most random audio products on the internet

[livid rapids]

looks like 3500$ atleast

[dry stratus]

looks 40$ to me

[molten lotus]

its like 150$ apparently

[dry stratus]

cheap plastic

[molten lotus]

looks 40$ yeah

[dawn hedge]

It's an audio interface, it mixes both my PCs audio and acts as my XLR interface

[dry stratus]

visible f ups on the build as well

[livid rapids]

40$ is the actual price, they pump it to 3500$

[molten lotus]

I am aware what it is

it was a rhetorical question

[dry stratus]

nah, we both have IQ of 1

[molten lotus]

i dont have iq

[dry stratus]

only EQ?

[dawn hedge]

It's trying to be a competitor to the go XLR mini but the software is much more stable

[livid rapids]

💀

[molten lotus]

you compete with goxlr by buying an m track solo

and using an x touch mini with midi mixer

and instantly outclass goxlr full

in every regard

[lean grove]

He's got a 50db bass shelf on knowing weird trivia about world war 2

[molten lotus]

bonus points if you can use or learn to use autohotkey

[molten lotus]

soviet bomb dog

[dry stratus]

so that's why he makes me sick whenever I see his face

[molten lotus]

i dont have a face

[lean grove]

Okay smash mouth

[dry stratus]

your hobby?

[molten lotus]

i lost all of my face in a masturbation related incident

[lean grove]

Yes my hobby is smash mouth

[dry stratus]

Klaus is anime girl confirmed

[molten lotus]

hands too

[livid rapids]

so your face should be white?

[molten lotus]

its red

[livid rapids]

periods?

[molten lotus]

i have no skin

[livid rapids]

oh

[molten lotus]

his message got jannied

taunt him

[dry stratus]

Klaus for president

[lean grove]

Klaus for ritual sacrifice

[molten lotus]

I volunteer for both

[dry stratus]

Klaus for Nils' wife

[livid rapids]

so white stuff is apparently banned here?

[lean grove]

Virgins are in rare supply these days.

[molten lotus]

hey fuck you

[lean grove]

😈

[dry stratus]

<< Life time one right here

[lean grove]

Not if I have anything to say about it

[dry stratus]

calls police

[livid rapids]

there are a lot of gamers out there

bold of you to assume they are not virgins

[dry stratus]

there are some tinder like apps for gamers tho

[molten lotus]

that's actually funny

[livid rapids]

apps

most gamers are 13 tbf

[lean grove]

Touch of a woman < playing ranked

[livid rapids]

debatable

[molten lotus]

ranked is unironically cringe

fuck competitive gaming

[livid rapids]

ranked is stressful

[lean grove]

Sounds like you're just bad at the game Klaus

[molten lotus]

why would I want to be good at a game so I can get mad at it more

[livid rapids]

tbh interacting with woman is also stressful

[dry stratus]

just become no life MMORPG player, then quit when the MMORPG goes down
and just repeat "nah, humans are ugly... go away"

[unique wind]

facts

[dry stratus]

expensive
its real life P2W

but with 5000$ a month requirement bare minimum

[livid rapids]

last time i played minecraft was 5 years ago

[molten lotus]

two weeks ago

[unique wind]

only if ur ugly

[dry stratus]

50 years for me

[unique wind]

and even then nah that's just not true

tons of unattractive guys get girlfriends from having nice personalities

[dry stratus]

if you want a human and not an ugly gorilla

[livid rapids]

last time i interacted with a woman was... aggressively searches for such a memory

[unique wind]

i think it's just a skill issue conpin

[dry stratus]

have yet to see a human that wasn't uglier than a blobfish to me

[median frigate]

guys

i had this EQ on my desktop

[dry stratus]

what about it

[median frigate]

it

is

not nice

it like

[molten lotus]

define nice

[dry stratus]

then make it nice

[median frigate]

like

the audio is

cracky?

[livid rapids]

which eq is it

[median frigate]

idk the right work for it

[median frigate]

Uh wait

i forgot

foobar?

[livid rapids]

why do you have an eq

[molten lotus]

foobar is a music playback program

[livid rapids]

if you

dont

[molten lotus]

do you use its integrated eq

[livid rapids]

know

[median frigate]

the windows audio is too flat for me

i have an eq on my phone

PowerAmp

tht wortk

Like

perfect

[molten lotus]

that's related to your headphones not windows audio

also

can

you

stop

[median frigate]

but it doesnt work the same on my desktop

[molten lotus]

typing

li

ke

this

[median frigate]

lol

[livid rapids]

exactly

[median frigate]

old habits never die

[dry stratus]

banned for spam

[molten lotus]

anyways

what is your eq

are you using foobar's integrated one

[median frigate]

yes

i deleted it

[molten lotus]

download eq apo

[median frigate]

cause i didnt like it

[molten lotus]

and learn how to eq

[median frigate]

Oke ill try tht out

[dry stratus]

50db boost on 2.5khz, 20db boost on 100hz, etc probs

[median frigate]

i want bass

[molten lotus]

if you don't like the interface download peace gui

[median frigate]

can anyone suggest nice eq?

[molten lotus]

its simpler to use

[median frigate]

Hm alright

download from source forge right?

[molten lotus]

ye

[median frigate]

aight

[dry stratus]

download from sketchy virus site from middle east or india

[livid rapids]

define bass

[dry stratus]

trash bloated low quality 500db boosted bass

[livid rapids]

we were just discussing this

[molten lotus]

i did that once

accidentally

it sounded like everything was dying

[livid rapids]

^

[dry stratus]

#1 reason human extinction is required:

[livid rapids]

how do you hear anything at 500db bass

[unique wind]

it's impossible to get subwoofer levels of bass out of a headphone which is why skullcandy crushers dont use the headphone drivers themselves to make all the bass

[molten lotus]

you don't

well you hear something

but not most things

also it isn't literally 500dB boost

[dry stratus]

now recreate Delta air earphones sound signature on your current

[molten lotus]

it was boosted by 500dB

but if it was actually 500dB the country would probably explode

[median frigate]

ok installed and rebooted

now how do i enable eq?

[livid rapids]

42hz will be great for you

[median frigate]

Boom boom with the beats

[median frigate]

How do i open the app?

[unique wind]

id like to see what kind of damage 500db of 20hz would cause

[dry stratus]

me looking up 500db:

[molten lotus]

look up a tutorial

[livid rapids]

download peace

i use that

[molten lotus]

or else you wont be able to eq for shit

[livid rapids]

its great

[median frigate]

alright

[molten lotus]

you can't use eq without learning how to properly

well you can

[median frigate]

i just wish poweramp made a desktop version

its just

[molten lotus]

if you have time to trial and error for like

30 hours

[median frigate]

perfect

[livid rapids]

its easy, just turn up each bass and you get the understanding

[livid rapids]

yeah thats what i did

[molten lotus]

it isn't

you saying that your eq is also wrong

[median frigate]

the audio gets distored when i bumb the bars evn a lil bit

[molten lotus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1085568051824566383/image.png

[median frigate]

and most of the time

when i increase bass

[molten lotus]

the preamp needs to be -8dB for this eq to work

[median frigate]

the volume decreases

[molten lotus]

right now you are clipping your dac

you are killing audio quality actively

[molten lotus]

yes that is why I asked you to look up how to eq

it teaches you how to avoid that

[median frigate]

i doint understand

oh

can u guys give me a link?

[livid rapids]

increase treble

[molten lotus]

just google

[molten lotus]

don't

[median frigate]

what do i google?

[molten lotus]

how to use peace gui if you have that

[median frigate]

how to not decrease volume while increasing frequency?

[molten lotus]

how to use equalizer apo if you have that

[median frigate]

Oh

[molten lotus]

just

[livid rapids]

low hz - bass
mids - dont touch
high hz - treble / clarity

[molten lotus]

look up a tutorial

please

a video could achieve what I could by typing here for 20 minutes

[median frigate]

👍

[molten lotus]

in like 2 minutes

ripper you should also watch a video

[livid rapids]

do one thing

[molten lotus]

the preamp you have is fucked

[livid rapids]

be a cool dude and ask chat gpt

[livid rapids]

really?

[molten lotus]

your preamp needs to be at -10dB

since you are boosting by 10dB

[median frigate]

i hate windows eq

its just useless

its either my mobo sucks

[livid rapids]

windows has an eq?

[median frigate]

or windows is trash

[median frigate]

ye

[livid rapids]

where did windows become so smart

[median frigate]

in the audio settings tab

[molten lotus]

there is one yeah

no idea why

[livid rapids]

why though

[molten lotus]

your dac is capable of outputting a fixed amount of power at maximum

each time you eq you go over that power limit

that is why you reduce the preamp gain by the maximum amount you boost by

so you don't go above the line level

which messes up your audio

makes it more bloated

distorted

unclear and muddy

which all of these are allegedly the same thing

but it just messes your audio up

[livid rapids]

well, it isnt really distorted for me

[molten lotus]

it is

objectively

[livid rapids]

my windows audio is at 69 tho

[molten lotus]

that doesn't matter

[dry stratus]

just buy some headphones that sound the way you want them to without EQ

[molten lotus]

eq apo doesn't control that

[livid rapids]

sponsor me the $$$

[dry stratus]

just take from family

well

lending without having to pay them back within their life time

[median frigate]

How to enable DVC in windows?

[livid rapids]

your family?

[molten lotus]

dvc?

[dry stratus]

by enabling DVC in windows

[molten lotus]

tf is dvc

[livid rapids]

me in my exam when i dont know the answer:

[median frigate]

direct volume control

[dry stratus]

idk, thats the best answer I can give

[median frigate]

its an option in my phone

[molten lotus]

what does it do

[median frigate]

but idk how to enable

[molten lotus]

oh

is it like

[median frigate]

Idk it makes audio sound better

[dry stratus]

something

[molten lotus]

your pc controlling the headphone volume

are you talking about that

[median frigate]

Yes windows does tht

i dont want it to do tht

i want it to leave it as it is

it is reducing the volume when beat drops man it sucks

[molten lotus]

direct control should do that when you enable it

[dry stratus]

just pat your PC and ask nicely

[molten lotus]

as opposed to stopping it

[median frigate]

💀

[livid rapids]

wait what how

[median frigate]

Idk

like

it sucks

[livid rapids]

from when?

[median frigate]

i am hyped for the beat drop

and i realise my windows pc wont give bass

[livid rapids]

my pc doesnt do it

its good boy

[median frigate]

since birth

i also changed the mobo

still no change

i also tried using the port from my mobo

[livid rapids]

any 3rd party app?

[median frigate]

stock

[molten lotus]

that isn't related to direct audio

[livid rapids]

i dont think windows can do

[median frigate]

realtec audio

[molten lotus]

its related to something else

you use bluetooth headphones right?

[median frigate]

Ok to be frank i have no idea abt audio

[median frigate]

no

[livid rapids]

yeah i can see that

[median frigate]

its a wired jbl

but the bluetooth headphone which i have works fine

gives nice bass

[molten lotus]

i think its just about your poweramp settings

learn to eq and copy them to your pc

[median frigate]

but i lost the tip of my airpods

so

[dry stratus]

loud bass probably, not nice bass

[median frigate]

Yes but windows doesnt want me to have evn little bass

[livid rapids]

@median frigate you're listening to drift phonk?

[median frigate]

can someone take over my pc n change it for me?

[median frigate]

Oh yes

[molten lotus]

no

[livid rapids]

no wonder u need bass

[molten lotus]

teamviewer and other stuff is banned here

[median frigate]

Main reason i got jbl

[dry stratus]

the only sound settings I know of in windows:

[median frigate]

;/

[livid rapids]

...

[molten lotus]

sort of ...

[livid rapids]

me too

[median frigate]

I think i had a slider over there in mine

[molten lotus]

im curious about room correction

[livid rapids]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7KmbiagSkUbepU88x7NWjb?si=00265db89c4a452a

this is great phonk

@molten lotus , reducing by 10db and increasing windows to 100 worked great ngl

[molten lotus]

yeah

you aren't going over line level anymore

[livid rapids]

how old are you(just wondering)

[molten lotus]

20

[livid rapids]

and how'd you get that audio knowledge

[dry stratus]

https://youtu.be/0uyl3bLTXOE?t=40 your favourite music:

[molten lotus]

you can get enough audio knowledge by shitposting in an audio discord for an hour every day

[livid rapids]

you might be shocked but im the only gen z that doesnt watch anime

[livid rapids]

you're not wrong

[zinc rain]

False, I don’t either lmao

[livid rapids]

anime is just overrated

[dry stratus]

who said you watch it?, you listen to it

[livid rapids]

i dont listen to it either

[dry stratus]

you specifying watching is just you trying to hide the facts without lying

[livid rapids]

you recommended me the track, this means you listen to that shit.

[dry stratus]

I don't

I just know of it

thanks to that specific song being used in multiple memes

[median frigate]

which one of this is the preset file?

[molten lotus]

get the parametric one

[livid rapids]

jbl endurance?

is it those storage capable ones

which are waterproof

[livid rapids]

beats fit copy

[dry stratus]

imagine boosting bass on this

[livid rapids]

which headphones are those

[dry stratus]

this

[livid rapids]

is it default eq?

[dry stratus]

just their sound

[livid rapids]

looks interesting

[median frigate]

ok i figured it out

i had to

bump down the pre amp

and increase the volume in windows

and then do eq

now i have the eq

but then the front port sucks

the mobo is fine

shud i get an extension for the mobo port?

its in the back so its really annoying to plug in n plug out

[plain widget]

@dry stratus wanna grab? https://www.ebay.com/itm/304832614740?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5337478673&toolid=10001&customid=b6b86afc-c349-11ed-b71c-333065376432

[molten lotus]

2500

nah

[plain widget]

yeah it is too much

but also not like u gonna find any other.

[molten lotus]

you will

[plain widget]

if u wait months yeah sure

[molten lotus]

you can find susvaras dropping for 3k

[dry stratus]

I have 50 eur right now

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[unique wind]

im broke too

used all my money for a macbook

[dry stratus]

I used mine on government and insurances as they just randomly ask you to pay 2000 at once

randomly, because its never the same date

not even the same week of the month or quarter

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hq

[dry stratus]

wot

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high quality government

[dry stratus]

to be fair, the government here truly believes to fix cost of living being too high is just make minimum wage higher (forgetting it will just raise everything with it)

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using weimar republic strategies eh

[dry stratus]

or just fix issues by spending money they don't have, resulting in raising the taxes to like 65%

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seems legit

[livid rapids]

https://electronics.sony.com/audio/speakers/360-reality-audio/p/srsra3000-h

opinion on this?

[lean grove]

Sony makes decent consumer speakers but don't believe that 360 audio is gonna be coming from a single speaker.

[leaden cloak]

Let alone 3 drives with one facing up

[lean grove]

Well I think they're gonna bounce stuff off the ceiling.

And the two drivers on the side aren't drivers, they're passive radiators

[leaden cloak]

Yeah they’ll probably do the homepod approach and figure out where it is and adjust the sound

[lean grove]

I'm wondering what those funky cheese graters are.

Nah

Can't do that as well with this.

[leaden cloak]

Oh. So it’s just a single woofer on the top?

[lean grove]

Yup. I think those cheese graters might be arrays for treble.

[leaden cloak]

Interesting…that is really barebones then

Yeah you ain’t getting 360 out of that. Especially now that I know that it’s literally one speaker

[lean grove]

It looks pretty standard for a Bluetooth speaker

There looks like there's a plate on top of that one woofer to spread it out sideways rather than firing up.

This is a pretty common design. Single bass driver. Passive radiators. Whatever the hell those tweeters might be.

They might be saying that it's omnidirectional

Which very well could be true.

But their promo material makes it seem like they want you to think that it'll sound like it's coming from all around you.

Which is. Not really anything new either.

[livid rapids]

man im confused asl for a portable bluetooth speaker

[molten lotus]

exhaust maybe?

since bt speakers need to do the funny bass distortion thing where you see the driver move up an down

[livid rapids]

ohh man, distortion reminds me of something else

i was in this marriage function

[dry stratus]

reminds me of consumer audio

[livid rapids]

they had 4 JBL loud speakers

they fucking blasted the shit out of it

there was more distortion than music

god knows the fuck they were on

i went deaf for the next week

[dry stratus]

sounds like my neighbours until I did the same back by kicking the thin af walls at 1:00 at night

[lean grove]

Nah they look sealed on the back end.

I think they're tweeters.

[molten lotus]

hard doubt

why do the tweeters vary in size

[lean grove]

You can see the wire terminals on the bottom of them.

It's a transmission line

[molten lotus]

and why 20 of them

[lean grove]

Tweeters are at the bottom of the tube and each hole is where the sound comes out. Turns into a cell array.

[molten lotus]

that makes sense

[lean grove]

Kinda like those old vott speakers

[livid rapids]

i think i should go with JBL Xtreme 3

[dry stratus]

nah

[livid rapids]

i wanna buy some other brand tbh

[dry stratus]

big numbers sell on a spec sheet

"we fit 50 speakers in a tiny box for amazing sound!!"

at the bottom: "just all of them break within a day"

[molten lotus]

good system

if one of them break

you have 19 more to go through

and they call break in a hoax

[livid rapids]

jbl xtreme 3 seems great

i think i should go with that

[haughty girder]

all bt speakers kinda suck

the best ones are just less bad than others

[lean grove]

Nexgen probably has his Klipsch Cornwall's with him wherever he goes. Bring them on a wagon.

[lean grove]

I will say that the ue wonderboom is extremely not bad.

[unique wind]

i personally carry klipsch jubilees with me everywhere i go

[steady moth]

I looked those up cause I thought they were a small pair of iems and I was so wrong

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-laughing-hysterically-gif-26398146

[fair leaf]

I hope this is the right place to ask this.
I am trying to take audio from chrome, (hopefully a specific tab if that's possible) and make that audio into something that will get recognized as a microphone device in veadotube. I think I need to use virtual audio cables or voicemeeter, but I have no clue how to use either lol

[lean grove]

There are lots of tutorials online on how to use virtual audio cables

But yeah that sounds like what you want

[fair leaf]

I've looked ! But I can't seem to find anything for what I need ? :/

[molten lotus]

you could use obs to record it and then play it back....

I just ordered a mystery lanyard and a 40oz ltt water bottle

and stickers for my work laptop

[fair leaf]

I'm doing if for streaming !! So that isn't an option :((

[molten lotus]

Can't you set up an audio layer for chrome in obs?

[fair leaf]

how does that work ?

[nova wagon]

in obs there is this

which lets you output audio from specific windows

as you can see i have one specifically for edge

[fair leaf]

I can't find that one ? and my obs is all updated and everything too

[nimble dirge]

@molten lotus I can't hear anything when I connect my headphones through the 3.5mm port, or through the USB controller

The speakers are also unable to output any sound

And I do remember that the laptop had done a general Windows update yesterday
It hadn't taken more than 2 mins. But I guess that that might be the cause

Anyone else can also help me, and tell, what's wrong in this situation, and how to fix it?

Also this has been since 2-3 months, or maybe since the time I had bought it

It always gives an install error

[haughty girder]

plenty of these large ones aren't bad

regarding ownderboom*

they just aren't great either

esp for their prices

[nova wagon]

should be a source option btw

implemented since obs 28

[vast ferry]

What's the best dynamic mic (Under 90 USD)?

[molten lotus]

sounds like your windows drivers are dying

probably a format is what is optimal

[livid rapids]

any good android eq app?

[south mortar]

Phones can power USB DACs, I have dragonfly, my question is how much power can a USB C or lightning port provide on demand?

[lean grove]

Most USB DAC amps top out at around 200-250 mW into 32 ohms.

[full fossil]

seiren x or hyperx solocast (the seiren is a bit cheaper than the solocast)

[molten lotus]

both are bad

razer seiren mini is literally better than serien x

[hearty forum]

Good to all, I am new to audio and the truth is that I am seeing many concepts and there are still things that are not clear to me.

I think I understand what is a DAC and an AMP but suddenly I have stumbled with the Pre-Amp, I am not very clear what they are, I do not understand if there is a Pre-Amp/DAC/AMP if you could explain me a little of this topic.

[bitter hollow]

it's an amp that goes before the amp

[ocean pulsar]

some amps you cant change how much it amplifies
a preamp is "the volume knob for an amp" and most amps have them built in

[molten lotus]

you don't see many cases where you need preamps with modern items

at least in the general consumer market

[ocean pulsar]

its mostly just for fancy speaker amps

on the pro side its used alot for microphones

[hearty forum]

Okay I understand, just as there are DAC/AMP combos there are also Pre-AMP/DAC/AMP combos ?

[ocean pulsar]

most ampdac combos have a built in preamp

and most amps also have a built in preamp

again preamp = volume knob (basically)

[hearty forum]

Thank you very much.

[zinc rain]

My favorite thing about researching headphones is the sheer lack of general consensus lmfao

There are opinions on both extremes for every headphone

[bitter hollow]

almost like it's an incredibly subjective hobby or something

[zinc rain]

Yeah obviously

I just think it’s kinda hilarious

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/supertroopers-leo-police-cops-cop-gif-11153907

I think it's more that a lot of people haven't heard the actually good stuff and will sing high praises to the stuff they've bought.

A surprising amount of people have a dozen or so $100-$300 headphones and a pile of IEMs and not much more than that.

A headphone for every occasion rather than 1 or 2 that do almost everything better

[bitter hollow]

Yes, because if you buy three $300 headphones and you don't like two of them, you still have one you enjoy

If you buy one hd8xx lmao

The really high end stuff costs entirely too much for most people to actually buy

[lean grove]

Well you say that and there's people with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in cheap headphones and iems

If you don't have the money for hd800s or Arya's or a susvara that's perfectly fine.

But if you have the money for 10 $200 headphones and not one $1000 headphone?

Those are the types I'm making fun of.

[ocean pulsar]

but what if you tried the hd800s and didnt like it...

[lean grove]

Return policy?

[ocean pulsar]

sure

[umbral charm]

Can anyone recommend afew good pairs of wireless headphones? Budget of like 50-60 GBP

For pc if it matters^

[lean grove]

And, I think it's fair to take a couple steps before getting kilobick headphones. Buy one affordable good headphpne. Use it for a while. What is it lacking? What do you like about it?
Try another affordable headphone. Do the same thing. Talk to experienced people. Get advice. And consider a kilobuck headphone from there. You can also try and find a hifi shop nearby.

With all that, you can get a pretty good idea of what youd want.

[ocean pulsar]

say that this is your opinion of how the headphones sound on the vertical axis
and horizontal axis is different genres
4 headphones, 3 $200 and 1 1k one in red
potentially if you only listen to the middle genre, the $1k one is better
but ifyou like brown or purple genres, 2 $200 headphones will sound better

[lean grove]

Sure. And you can endgame with one pair of purple genres happy ever after.

Perfectly fine.

[bitter hollow]

For a second I thought this was the most cursed fr graph

[ocean pulsar]

endgame with brown + purple

terrible color choice obviously

[lean grove]

Sure.

[ocean pulsar]

and that gets you better sound than 1 1k headphone

[lean grove]

Assuming purple is all I want.

Or brown.

[ocean pulsar]

nope

[lean grove]

Yes.

[ocean pulsar]

assuming you want both

[lean grove]

Yes.

[ocean pulsar]

thats el problemo

[lean grove]

But, now hear me out, what if there's a $1000 headphone that does everything the purple headphone does well while also doing everything the brown headphone does well? And on top of that, they do a whole lot of other things fantastically?

Would this person who is always choosing between two headphones enjoy those new headphones?

[ocean pulsar]

yep

[lean grove]

Crazy

[ocean pulsar]

unfortunately tho thats not how it works in reality

im happy to do the correction digitally, but if you arent, its no fun

[lean grove]

There's more to headphones than frequency response

And if you are willing to EQ things than you can correct for whatever you think your headphones are lacking in terms of "genres"

And get even better sound

From one headphone

[ocean pulsar]

there is nothing that cant be digitally corrected

[lean grove]

Ehhhhhhhhh

[ocean pulsar]

eq is just the only practical one

[lean grove]

EQ can only do so much at the moment.

[ocean pulsar]

depends how much money you spend

[lean grove]

Yeah get a Smyth realizer for your $100 headphones

Great value

[ocean pulsar]

i got a $600 full digital dsp/mixer for my $50 iems and other stuff that i dont use

[lean grove]

You can just EQ your $50 iems to $10k speakers. Doctors hate him.

[ocean pulsar]

and i dont even get noise complaints from the neighbors
ultra value

[lean grove]

Theres a lot in the time domain that I think is really hard to nail down with EQ. You can fix tonal stuff pretty quickly, but decay? Open-ness? Comfort?

[ocean pulsar]

decay is actually computationally cheaper than eq

[umbral charm]

Can anyone recommend afew good pairs of wireless headphones (preferably with mic) for PC? Budget of like 50-60 GBP

[ocean pulsar]

openness and comfort are independent from sound

[ocean pulsar]

you wont get good headphones for that price,
maybe iems
kz az09 + cca cra+ are imo what will sound the best at that price

[lean grove]

Can you compute what "correct" decay should be?

[ocean pulsar]

correct decay is perfectly matching your equalization

but you have to include down to dc

[umbral charm]

Could u link them please?

[lean grove]

You'd need measurements for it too

[umbral charm]

I found these, 21% off on amazon. No mic but Im not too worried about the mic if Im being honest cos I can just buy one sometime in the future 🤷
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-LIGHTSPEED-Bluetooth-Wireless-Headset-Black/dp/B07W7LNTM5/ref=asc_df_B07W7LNTM5/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=547458020282&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17301828247316843081&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006786&hvtargid=pla-1426139780147&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

[lean grove]

Holy link batman

[ocean pulsar]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqoLULg
And
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLhuVi2

[ocean pulsar]

that big database on github has the impulse response (which is all that is needed as a base)

[umbral charm]

Oh those are earphones 🤔

[lean grove]

If you wanted to spend hours measuring your head, getting an HRTF, perfectly frequency and time domain DSP to fit your wants and needs, I'm sure you can get something pretty good.

[ocean pulsar]

earphones = (headphones, iems, earbuds)

[ocean pulsar]

you dont actually need the hrtf because the music is independent from it, tho you always can correct if you want

[lean grove]

Well then you're just quitting halfway without one

[ocean pulsar]

thats debateable

but thats also a different issue from correcting the headphones

[lean grove]

Well the issue is you wanting to make your $50 iems compete with $1000 headphones.

You know Carmon there are thousands of engineers out there working on this same problem and there's still not really any mass market solution to it. When you say how computationally easy it is

I bet you could make a lot of money with this idea

All the stuff is right there

And you just need to make a box with a pre-loaded DSP, sell it with some moondrop or whatever the latest chi-fi iem is

Charge $100

[ocean pulsar]

the problem is that people dont want perfectly corrected to reference

[lean grove]

Nobody wants perfectly correct to reference?

[ocean pulsar]

thats not what i said

i said people

as in the collective noun

[lean grove]

People want dollar store iems to shove in their ear holes to get early onset tinnitus from listening to Taylor swift.

[ocean pulsar]

yep

[lean grove]

But there are a lot of people who are currently paying top dollar to get the best sound.

[ocean pulsar]

define best sound

[lean grove]

I assumed you knew. You have been telling me this entire time that it's easy to fix and correct things with EQ.

[ocean pulsar]

your misunderstanding

[lean grove]

And, a lot of those people chasing best sound, they'll buy whatever you got as long as you say it's the best

You can choose the parameters. Well a Harman box. A diffuse box. Or upload your own target.

[ocean pulsar]

just because its easy to correct the problem doesnt mean you know what the solution is supposed to look like

[lean grove]

Bring your own impulse response from your favorite concert hall.

[ocean pulsar]

yep
and its beyond easy to convolve that with the impulse response of your headphones and load it into equalizer apo

[ocean pulsar]

but getting this for yourself is not easy

[dawn seal]

Hey I need your guys' help, I'm trying to find a standalone audio player that actually plays high-end audio and is not over $100. I've been searching on Amazon and it's so difficult to actually find something that's good

[lean grove]

Well then to me it sounds like it's not really that easy if you don't know. And that, in fact, it's rather complicated and difficult.

[ocean pulsar]

yep
its only computationally cheap

[dawn seal]

You know at this point, getting an iPod starting to become not a bad idea

[ocean pulsar]

but you need the target before you can run the computation

[lean grove]

Assuming youve done the very hard part, it's very easy

[molten lotus]

most amps as well as amp/dacs already come with preamaps, it would be very unusual for a modern amplifier to not be an integrated amplifier these days

[ocean pulsar]

thats why i only said the easy part is easy lmao

[lean grove]

And I was saying that it's hard to fix the problems other than tonality with EQ

And if you have all of the hard to get and incredibly complicated answer to how to fix it, then yeah I guess I'm wrong.

[molten lotus]

carmon assuming what you said is possible why isn't it actively done and competes with high end gear, and in the case this is because high end gear isn't aiming to be accurate but fun, why does any of what you said matter

the statement people don't want accurate sound and the statement you can achieve accurate sound sort of falls against one another

[lean grove]

I think the Warwick estats might be doing something like this

[ocean pulsar]

again thats wrong
its not that the problems are hard to fix
they are extremely easy to fix
the hard part is defining what the problem IS

[molten lotus]

alright

then why does any of what you said matter

and how can you proclaim that problems are easy to fix if we don't know the problems

[ocean pulsar]

if you know what you want, its easy to get

[molten lotus]

I want susvaras

for 350$

[lean grove]

"well the question of where's all this dark matter coming from is actually really easy to answer if we just had a way of directly measuring and interacting with dark matter."

-local reductionist

[molten lotus]

I could easily solve the problem if I knew the problem

[ocean pulsar]

so take your headphones, apply the correction to dead neutral to them, then apply the correction to dead neutral of the susvaras inverted

[molten lotus]

wow its almost like

people tried that before

and it like

didn't work

[ocean pulsar]

[citation needed]

[lean grove]

I was saying Carmon should make a box that does this and sell it.

[molten lotus]

assuming this is a matter of skills in my end

[lean grove]

He'd make a lot of money.

[molten lotus]

can you provide me with this equalizer preset

[ocean pulsar]

its not an equalizer preset

[molten lotus]

my bad

whatever it is

can you provide it

[ocean pulsar]

its available on github

[lean grove]

It's actually computationally easier than an EQ

You moron Klaus

[molten lotus]

yeah just take the hrtf

tune headphone to that

why didn't i think of this

[ocean pulsar]

because measuring the hrtf is hard

but if you know you want susvaras, then you just need to apply susvara correction to your headphones

[lean grove]

Smyth realizer does HRTF correction

They come with little mics you stick in your ears

[ocean pulsar]

there you go

[lean grove]

Very good value too. Only $4000

[molten lotus]

all of this entails we have measurement rigs perfectly capable of reproducing what humans hear

[ocean pulsar]

nope

[molten lotus]

true true

[lean grove]

Well we've actually perfectly reproduced what you hear Klaus.

[ocean pulsar]

if "susvaras" are perfect to your ear, then we only need to reproduce susvaras

[molten lotus]

omw to take the stick ears and apply eq curve and make them into gras

[lean grove]

It's just the sound of a credit card being declined.

[molten lotus]

and then using that make sundaras into susvaras

[molten lotus]

bro

just buy ears

apply eq target

apply inverse eq of a kilobuck rig

ez

[lean grove]

That's Carmons idea Klaus you can't steal that

Bravura is just so close to being almost affordable over a long term investment.

[ocean pulsar]

The problem is people don't want that
Otherwise audeze would have alooot more success lol

[molten lotus]

I want it

please provide me with whatever I need

[ocean pulsar]

Go here
https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/oratory1990/harman_over-ear_2018
Download the "minimum phase" file for your source and target headphones at the sample rate you use
Download and install equalizer apo
Apply the correction for the headphones you want
Apply an inversion
Then apply the correction for the headphones you have
Done

[molten lotus]

thanks

ill make my r70x into susvaras

[ocean pulsar]

Again tho
I already told you you didn't want just the sound of susvaras, you probably also wanted the openness and comfort

[molten lotus]

are you aware that the minimum phase is in wav form

[lean grove]

Yeah that way it's lossless

[molten lotus]

true

how in the world do I invert this

[ocean pulsar]

in equalizer apo

[molten lotus]

yes with which tool

[ocean pulsar]

uh i forget what its called, its one of the basic filters

[ocean pulsar]

oh i guess not

[ocean pulsar]

well its in there somewhere 🤷

[molten lotus]

one of these?

[ocean pulsar]

oh you might have to apply the correction in an include, and invert the entire include?

its been a while

[molten lotus]

i can include it

but inverting it is another task

[ocean pulsar]

no i mean set up the target as an include file, then when you include it, invert it?

[molten lotus]

that isn't how eq apo works

[ocean pulsar]

so you have a convolution processing step

right?

[molten lotus]

yes

[ocean pulsar]

throw that in a separate text file

[molten lotus]

I have

[ocean pulsar]

include that text file

[umbral charm]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-LIGHTSPEED-Wireless-Gaming-Headset/dp/B07W6FQ659/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2HG98B0GOR35H&keywords=Logitech+G535&qid=1679005618&sprefix=logitech+g535%2Caps%2C102&sr=8-2

Looking to buy a wireless headset with a max budget of £60. Is this a good option or is there any other better choices? Mainly want comfort, decent mic and decent audio. Doesnt have to best of the best since it's just for general use. Playing games, yt, music.
If anyone can recommend any a link would be appreciated 🙂

[molten lotus]

I have

[ocean pulsar]

is there an option to invert the text file?

[molten lotus]

no

[ocean pulsar]

oh

well its in there somewhere

[molten lotus]

including it in a separate config or not doesn't matter

since its going to be a filter either way

the default inclusion feature does not have invert functionality

[lean grove]

What's wrong with the last answer we have you

[molten lotus]

only the graphical eq does

[ocean pulsar]

🤷 theres a way to invert the previous processing steps

i forget how its done

[umbral charm]

I didn't want earphones that's all.

[lean grove]

Okay. Well it seems like you know what you want

[umbral charm]

I know, I'm just wondering if anyone can send me a link to a good pair for the budget I have 🤷

[ocean pulsar]

noone here right now can because as far as any of us know, they dont exist

[umbral charm]

What price am I looking at to get what I want?

[ocean pulsar]

however much akg n700 mk2's cost for the most basic decent sounding set

[bitter hollow]

the problem with headsets is that unless you go ridiculous high end, they're not really designed to sound good

the use case for headsets just doesn't really care about sound quality

[umbral charm]

What's the best bet then

[bitter hollow]

headphones+mic

[ocean pulsar]

^

[bitter hollow]

that costs more, though, usually

[ocean pulsar]

tho for that price headphones are actually not very good either

[umbral charm]

Hmm yeah, I was thinking of getting headphones + mic before just didnt know which

[ocean pulsar]

the only way you will hit $50 is koss kph30i, apple dongle, adapter and lav mic

[umbral charm]

Can you maybe link a good set of headphones and mic for like under £120 for both? Idm if its a bit more. But I'll save them for future when I can buy them

[ocean pulsar]

how big are your ears and how much do you care about build quality

[lean grove]

I've heard a lot of good things about the new audeze headset. The Maxwell.

Mic is pretty dope too.

[bitter hollow]

that is three hundred dollars

[lean grove]

Yeah.

[ocean pulsar]

the game zero / pc37x are shockingly pleasant if a bit undetailed

[ocean pulsar]

found it
add this to the include file with the convolution above and below the convolution
then do the same thing for R

[molten lotus]

ight

[umbral charm]

Idk whats classed as big or not for ears 😂 but the headphones Im using are Razer Kraken X | RZ04-02890 and these fit my ears fine

Could be a little bigger around the ear though

[ocean pulsar]

those are pretty normal, the best cheap option is a decent bit smaller, the CAL's

creative aurvana live

[molten lotus]

the analysis does not show inversion

[ocean pulsar]

so you need to invert it, then apply the convolution, then invert it again

[umbral charm]

Could you link us a pair of wireless headphones and a mic at all that you recommend?

[lean grove]

Wired*

[molten lotus]

didn't work

I mean

I had a result but there is no plausibility this is how susvara sounds

[lean grove]

Does it sound more susvara-y

[molten lotus]

it doesn't work

if it did the sound wouldn't chance since I applied the regular susvara convolution response in the main config

[umbral charm]

The main reason I want to get a new pair of headphones is because when I re-done my pc and moved my setup around my headphone wire gets in the way of my mouse so I have to put it under my mouse pad. And the wire is just long enough for where I am sitting

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[ocean pulsar]

remember you are applying the inverse of the susvara, and the correction for your headphones

[molten lotus]

thanks for the backstory

[ocean pulsar]

and they need to exactly match the sample rate your are playing at

[molten lotus]

I used susvara's preset twice for the sake of testing

since one inverse and one normal should neutralize themselves

[ocean pulsar]

if you applied it correctly, it will do nothing

[umbral charm]

np bro

[molten lotus]

yeah it didn't work

the inversion does not work

[ocean pulsar]

ah

[ocean pulsar]

and yea i do not remember seeing anything like this

[molten lotus]

pretty sure this just changes left/right

that copy config

not the eq itself

[ocean pulsar]

you multiply the right channel by negative 1
then apply the correction
then multiply the right channel by negative 1 again

[molten lotus]

yeah

doesn't work

[ocean pulsar]

strange

[molten lotus]

Hi

All analog

[molten lotus]

This button at a lighting station

[tepid torrent]

What does this have to do with audio

[dry stratus]

nothing

[twin goblet]

how are hd 650 for primarily fps gaming and all kinds of music?

i have heard they last an eternity so seems like a good option

[dry stratus]

They ain't great for most things
they just sound very nice and pleasant with vocals and slow paced music

not terrible, but they aren't exactly a performance beast

[haughty girder]

for most music they're really good

for fps gaming... just get iems

[tepid torrent]

It really doesnt matter what headphone you have for gaming

[haughty girder]

it does

[tepid torrent]

As audio is handled by the game

most of it anyway

[haughty girder]

but for competitive gaming you would want iems just due to how narrow the staging is

it's just there

[dry stratus]

not the "most"
considering most includes modern genres which require some bass to not sound like a mess

[haughty girder]

they have bass...

[dry stratus]

they don't

[haughty girder]

idk what you're comparing to but they defo have bass

it's not more than you need to hear it

source: I primarily listen to J rock and Kpop

[dry stratus]

It produces the frequencies, yes
if that is all you count as "having bass"

[haughty girder]

it's plenty to be able to enjoy the music

[dry stratus]

but god damn they don't do well for most genres no matter how high end the amp/dac is you plug them in to

[haughty girder]

what headphones do you primarily run

or iems, for that matter

[dry stratus]

HD650, lel

[haughty girder]

on the go?

can't imagine you'd take those everywhere

[dry stratus]

no, because I don't use audio outside

[haughty girder]

I see.

interesting

[dry stratus]

and I don't like about any option that works portable anyway

[haughty girder]

they all can be portable...

[dry stratus]

IEMs don't fit my ears, open back is just not for outdoor, and closed back has too little options
and too bulky anyway as someone who doesn't even own a backpack or anything

[haughty girder]

fair enough

I have 6 backpacks

but nowadays I just use my nekocakes everywhere for the convenience