audio-tech

[summer flicker]

elegiac right?

[molten lotus]

they sound thin sure

[summer flicker]

elegia*

ur not thinking of anything else are you

[molten lotus]

nah

they sound very thin like you described

still a debatable upgrade from the k361

[unique wind]

focal elegia is conpins worst nightmare

massive boost at 2khz

if crinacles graph is accurate anyway

[summer flicker]

the honk on that headphone is genuinely irritating

[unique wind]

it doesn’t match anyone else’s or i’m just not reading it right

[molten lotus]

crin has an elegia graph?

[summer flicker]

that wouldn't be surprising

[molten lotus]

I don't see one

[unique wind]

it’s not a curve graph

[summer flicker]

yeah me neither

[unique wind]

skill issue

what kind of graph is this

[molten lotus]

that's measured on ears

lol

[unique wind]

oh weird

[molten lotus]

his legacy setup

[dry stratus]

Is that mom?

[unique wind]

all you need is 200-2000hz

[summer flicker]

iirc headphones.com has one

one sec

[unique wind]

that is a quite weird response

[summer flicker]

get the raw

one sec

Jesus that's so dull

[unique wind]

only mids no bass no treble

@dry stratus ur dream headphone

headphone for bugs

[summer flicker]

not much in the way of lower mids either

the headphone is just pure fucking honk

[dry stratus]

My dream headphone would be he6 tho

[unique wind]

definitely not an upgrade over k361

[dry stratus]

He6 and sus only 11/10 so far

Now just look at their graphs

[summer flicker]

he6 is not impressive tonally. so it won't look particularly good on a graph

[dry stratus]

Bright neutral is what most of my favourites are categorised as on crin’s

[unique wind]

maybe your abnormally small ear canal gives you a massive bass boost

[summer flicker]

I don't really agree with crins loose definition of neutral

[unique wind]

because there’s so little area to fill up

[dry stratus]

Nothing abnormal about ear holes small enough to not need eartips

[summer flicker]

I think only a select few headphones that can genuinely be called and sound neutral

[unique wind]

how do you define neutral

[dry stratus]

Sounding the way it would irl

[summer flicker]

more or less yeah

well

[dry stratus]

Metallic sounds metallic, warm sounds warm, etc

[summer flicker]

maybe not

[unique wind]

that’s not possible really

[dry stratus]

Sadly yes

At some point I’ll just hire a personal orchestral instead

[unique wind]

see this is why headphones are bad

[dry stratus]

Give me proper violin, flute, harp, etc

[summer flicker]

sounding the way it would irl to me is just naturalness/organicness/good timbre. sounding true to the recording on the other hand is neutral

[unique wind]

is it even possible to get true to the recording with headphones

[summer flicker]

you can definitely get further away

so you can get closer by proxy

[dry stratus]

I actually do want to just learn instruments, just because you can’t get more natural sounding instruments than actually playing them

[summer flicker]

its never going to sound like flat speakers

[molten lotus]

inb4 you discover room acoustics

[summer flicker]

but a pair of hd600s will definitely get closer to that then dt770s

[dry stratus]

Just don’t have a room

[unique wind]

silly con pin we already decided your room will be a white box devoid of furniture with 15hz 85db ambience

[dry stratus]

No

[summer flicker]

what I take issue in crins case is he seems to be okay with categorizing headphones as bright neutral for example, with large 5 dB variations at key points in the frequency response that tend to really alter how a headphone sounds and gives it a characteristic artificially. such as 1-3k.

[dry stratus]

My room would be underground, airconditioning down to 10’C
And with bottles of olive oil to drink

[unique wind]

large 5db variations you say

klaus praises headphones all the time that have +-5db roller coaster treble

[dry stratus]

I’ll take the headphones will slight bass roll off and basic hifiman 1.5khz dip

[unique wind]

when i played around with the hifiman dip it just seemed like they were trying to artificially boost stereo separation and soundstage by reducing the forwardness of the vocal

it felt like when i filled in the dip the center stage was a lot more obvious

[summer flicker]

yeah for example I could be wrong but didn't he give Ananda "bright-neutral"? or was it arya? either case is definitely wrong imo

bright neutral is like

hd560s

[dry stratus]

God I hate ananda

[summer flicker]

it's a genuinely awful headphone

[unique wind]

doesn’t 560s have the most bass of any sennheiser open back

[dry stratus]

Ananda and sundara both sound dead to me

Arya much much better

[molten lotus]

sundara is awful generally

[unique wind]

have you heard edition XS?

[molten lotus]

ananda I like

[summer flicker]

potentially?

[unique wind]

it’s the only one i’ve seen that measures over neutral bass

and it has no rolloff

[dry stratus]

Hd6x0 has to much bass

[summer flicker]

actually it's probably he1

[unique wind]

i mean it has a tiny roll off but

[summer flicker]

nope

[unique wind]

very noticeably measures more bass than 600/6xx/8xx headphones

[unique wind]

oh i was curious because ananda and xs measure similarly

so i wondered if you disliked those too, because they’re so popular

i want more real non youtuber opinions on them

[dry stratus]

He1000se

Well, I would call it more like cold sounding

Fridge headphones

I would buy literal headworn fridge

[unique wind]

dt770

[dry stratus]

Zoomer-neutral

[unique wind]

dip in the upper bass and 8db spikes at 8 and 13khz

chilly headphone

[dry stratus]

Sounds like diabetic’s favourite headphone

[summer flicker]

gets praise but, obviously because of that, I have my doubts. Ananda is genuinely one of the biggest Ls in audio.

[unique wind]

finally someone agrees

it’s impossible for me to believe that two headphones that are built the exact same and measure almost identically will sound radically different

[dry stratus]

Hd820 is the bigger L

[unique wind]

i don’t think tiny driver variations and micro detail differences are going to transform a headphone

klaus does though

[summer flicker]

Arya is a mixed bag headphone that should be less than half the price. Ananda carries over none of the benefits of its big brother and is exacerbates its flaws in almost every conceivable way

[molten lotus]

driver technology absolutely changes sound regardless of tonality

you can unfuck a headphone with not good tonality with good technicalities

[unique wind]

type of dude to say that source chain makes a larger difference than 5db frequency response spikes

upgrade ur ears

[dry stratus]

Ear hole enlargement surgery

[molten lotus]

what you said entails that a measurement rig is a good representation of human hearing

which they aren't

[unique wind]

no i’m talking about sound in a void

[molten lotus]

you don't have a void

nor do you measure shit in it

[dry stratus]

Between the legs

[molten lotus]

shut up

[dry stratus]

No

[unique wind]

regardless frequency response spikes are frequency response spikes

they make a larger difference than source chain

[molten lotus]

depends on the source chain

and depends on the spike

[unique wind]

i’m not talking about whether you like the way they sound at all

purely how noticeable it is

[molten lotus]

no human is going to notice a peak of 5dB in a 50hz range in the 10khz region

[unique wind]

100-300hz wide bands with 5db spikes are more noticeable

than a source chain change which can’t even be measured

[molten lotus]

yeah you can notice that

[summer flicker]

the data suggests otherwise. I do agree that driver tech (probably) can have an impact. nothing suggests that headphones are just tonality and nothing else. but there is data that suggests that tonality is essentially crucial to the subjective perception of high fidelity

[molten lotus]

but 100-300hz doesn't often have a peaks

[unique wind]

no i don’t mean that frequency range

i mean that’s how wide the spike is

[molten lotus]

high fidelity sure

tonality does help with that

[unique wind]

it could be a 200hz wide spike at 2000-2200

[molten lotus]

but neutrality or fidelity aren't what defines technicalities of a headphone

[dry stratus]

Ksc75 has the proper amount of sub bass at least

[summer flicker]

no om not saying it helps with that, I'm saying that headphones that don't adhere to a preference curve are seen as less technical, less hifi

[molten lotus]

depends on the region michael

if its a 300hz range spike in 15k

you wont notice it easily

[unique wind]

i never complain about those though

[molten lotus]

sure, since hifi means closeness to the original

[unique wind]

i complain when $1600-5000 headphones have roller coaster response from like 1.5-8k

and $160 headphones don’t

[dry stratus]

How about hd820 FR

[unique wind]

it’s ridiculous

[summer flicker]

it wasn't strictly defined in the study

[molten lotus]

hifi = high fidelity

[unique wind]

if these drivers are so good why are they incapable of being tuned

[molten lotus]

fidelity = faithfulness to the original

[unique wind]

or is it intentionally bad

[molten lotus]

you have not heard the mentioned headphones yourself

[summer flicker]

sure but that's pedantic

[unique wind]

that’s why i asked if it’s intentionally bad

[molten lotus]

while I don't think they are a good headphone in its price range

overall it is a good headphone

[unique wind]

maybe it sounds good

[molten lotus]

it does

[unique wind]

but is it intentional or incompetence

because it looks like incompetence

[molten lotus]

difficulty in tuning

[molten lotus]

not every driver will be easy to tune as the next one

[dry stratus]

Best FR

[molten lotus]

and if you tune it too much you can overdampen it

making it sound like a sony xm4

[unique wind]

yet they can manage to tune sundara

[molten lotus]

and it is a shit headphone

how curious

[unique wind]

and susvara

and he400se

[molten lotus]

they work with different drivers michael

[summer flicker]

bringing up the etymology of the word doesn't necessarily help you understand how and why people use it now

[unique wind]

the drivers used in ananda/xs/arya are shit then

if they’re incapable of having reasonable tuning

[dry stratus]

Now let’s try sundara closed

[unique wind]

but the budget ones and susvara ones are

[molten lotus]

I don't really know what you are arguing about, tonality ofc makes a headphone good

I just said you can in theory unfuck a headphone with technicalities alone

which is what the entirety of stax community is based on

headphones with bad tuning that have good technicalities

[dry stratus]

Old hifiman better, bring back he6

[molten lotus]

michael stop observing data and listen to shit for yourself

[unique wind]

i just don’t think it’s a lack of technology that leads us to be unable to measure these “technicalities”

[molten lotus]

it isn't helping you

[dry stratus]

They aren’t headphones tho, according to them

[molten lotus]

go to a hifi shop

ask them for anandas or whatever

listen for a few minutes

we literally objectively do not have the technology to faithfully recreate what the human ear hears on a numerical basis

[unique wind]

the closest one would probably be in new york city 6 hours away

[molten lotus]

your objective data is as good as none

[summer flicker]

essentially what I'm saying is hifi isn't defined in the study. it was entirely left up to the listeners subjective interpretation of what is good sound quality, high fidelity and they found that the worsethe adherence the worse the results

[molten lotus]

right

[unique wind]

look it either produces the sound or it doesn’t man

[molten lotus]

that is a valid definition

[unique wind]

there will be variances in sound stage and imaging and how fast the driver is

but i don’t think that technicalities are as deep as you think they are after a certain point

[molten lotus]

issue is, we can't determine how each of those factors individually correlate into the end sound

not with technology

[unique wind]

it’s not like expensive headphones magically reveal detail that midrange ones will never be able to

[molten lotus]

they have other properties that might make it feel that way

its not like there is a formula to better mids

no matter how many 0s and 1s you have

at the end of the day its a human that will listen to it

not a measuremenet rig

you do not need a headphone with a 2dB deviation from harman to be good

look at all hifi headphones

[dry stratus]

That very nice positive logic I often see being used in RNG memes, “everything is a 50% chance, either it happens or it doesn’t”

[molten lotus]

save for susvara they are mostly roller coasters

yet people love them

because they sound pleasing in a different way than neutral

[unique wind]

saying it’s observed by humans therefore subjective opinions are all that matters in an argument about objectivity is silly

if you truly believed that then you’d never be able to call any headphones tuning bad

[molten lotus]

to say objectivity matters would first entail we have technology to:
have a measurement faithful to a human's ears
have an objectively correct way to determine technicalities
have a formula to what good sound is

none of which we do have

[unique wind]

if technicalities and enjoyment are all that matters then plenty of people love dt770

[molten lotus]

we cannot take 50 measurements of technicalities, run it through a program and get a rating from 1-100 that tells us how good it sounds

because that's fucking impossible

even if it isn't, it is currently

[dry stratus]

Just say it as “something can be objectively bad, but not objectively perfect”

Something can easily measure like shit

[unique wind]

just use room eq on monitors and forget about headphones entirely because they’re a fools hobby full of psychoacoustics

[molten lotus]

there are headphones that measure almost perfect period

like the newest of dan clarks

what was it called I forgot the name

if objective neutrality was what we valued golden who listened to it would absolutely love it

[dry stratus]

Dan clark ain’t exactly loved by all, but they measure very well ig

[molten lotus]

if it was what we wanted then topping e10 would be the endgame dac for all

or yet an apple dongle

[unique wind]

a90d+d90se is affordable endgame

[dry stratus]

Dan clark hate be like “over dampened”

[molten lotus]

it is and you can't formulate pyschology

its not like perfect sound stimulates our brains

we live in a world of untreated rooms and foreign sounds continuously interfering with one another and making sound imperfect

we don't get our brains stimulated from perfect sound

we stimulate it from imperfect sound

[unique wind]

audiophiles raving over listening to micro details that neither the artist or his engineer ever thought about

[molten lotus]

why the fuck should I care about what a dumbass monkey on a mixing desk thinks

I want to listen to music the way I like it

[unique wind]

because he’s the actually talented one

[molten lotus]

who

[unique wind]

the person who made the song

[molten lotus]

cares

[unique wind]

whomever you may listen to

you obsess over micro details that can’t be measured and nobody who makes music cares about

[molten lotus]

the person who mastered your track listened to it on a dt770 at best

he is the last person who cares about what you hear

90% of artists don't even listen to the finalized products of the songs they made

[unique wind]

here we go again calling that tuning bad right after saying there’s no such thing as bad tuning

[dry stratus]

Most use m50x, 990 or 770 at least

[unique wind]

because all that matters is what you like

[molten lotus]

dt990 i haven't seen yet

but its plausible

[molten lotus]

it literally is

[unique wind]

so how can any headphone be bad

[molten lotus]

you are listening for yourself not for scientific data

nor for your what your measurement gear thinks to be good

[molten lotus]

there are parameters that what 99% of humans think are good

[unique wind]

it’s only acceptable if expensive headphones have unusual tuning apparently

[molten lotus]

who said that

[dry stratus]

I’ve only really noticed it with purely electronic stuff

[unique wind]

if a budget headphone slight differs from neutral or harman neutral it’s bad to klaus

but if it’s $1600 it’s an intentional choice that’s overshadowed by its superior technicalities

[molten lotus]

when you make a 5k headphone you have the leeway of coping in with technicalities to your shitty tuning

when you make a 100$ headphone you can't afford good driver tech

[unique wind]

you over estimate how much it costs to reach the point of diminishing returns

[molten lotus]

it is diminishing returns sure

listen to shit for yourself

stop reading what amir posts on asr

[unique wind]

i just heard the artist fart

[molten lotus]

your headphones deviated 2dB from the harman sorry that isn't what he intended

correct your listening

[unique wind]

not wrong unironically

[molten lotus]

the odds are he mixed it on a 32ohm dt770 or some shit

[unique wind]

anything that differs from the source in a noticeable degree can’t be considered objective listening

just like you can’t judge the way a movie looks on an inaccurate display

and there’s degrees to how inaccurate color can be before it’s noticeable

[molten lotus]

then it is only a single headphone in the world that is objective listening

one headphone

one amplifier

[unique wind]

maybe

wouldn’t surprise me

[summer flicker]

hilariously enough a big part of the reasons I feel like TOTLs are a bust is because they tend to hone in on one aspect at the severe detriment of others to "wow" people at events

[unique wind]

headphones are cope klaus

that’s what they are

they’ll always be cope

[molten lotus]

speakers are based

sure

but I can't cope with speakers banging in an apartment

so I cope with headphones

[dry stratus]

Speakers are ew

[unique wind]

they’re a cope to have portability and privacy, and yes some (a lot of) people prefer using headphones

but they’re still cope

they’re also a cope to not have to deal with room acoustics

they’re valid but they’re inferior tools

[molten lotus]

no

they are objectively more perfect than speakers

[dry stratus]

At least it doesn’t cost like 500k to get a high end headphone system

[molten lotus]

based on the points you made regarding headphones being perfect

[dry stratus]

If we count housing cost and crap to get speakers maxed out

[molten lotus]

if you value objectivity so greatly you are obligated to hate speakers

but you don't

because you aren't a measurement rig

[summer flicker]

I think headphone marketers have tapped into an untold truth in audio which is, sounding good is not supposed to be showy or impressive. it's actually kinda boring, because it's supposed to sound normal.

[unique wind]

i’ve thought about that a lot terror

[summer flicker]

so hilariously enough a lot of audiophile headphones that really shine are priced middle of the pack

[dry stratus]

What I want is pleasant sound tho

[unique wind]

a lot of people and even i myself sometimes like when people have very warm sparkly spoken word/ voice over

but it sounds absolutely nothing like their irl voice

[summer flicker]

yeah but that ought to be left up to the mix, should it not?

[unique wind]

yeah i don’t care that people do it, i do it too

i just acknowledge that it’s extremely unnatural

most people aren’t looking for realistic video or audio in their media

[summer flicker]

luckily for you though normal sounding can actually be more exciting than artificial sounding in a lot of cases

[summer flicker]

that's true

[dry stratus]

For me, mostly just acoustic instruments

Don’t like electronic at all

[summer flicker]

what I mean is that while normal is unexciting in the sense that it's expected. it's exciting in the sense that it can be more visceral, raw. instead of limp and synthetic

[unique wind]

limp is a term i’ve never been able to grasp

because it doesn’t seem like you mean how fast driver is

or how it handles a bass shelf

[summer flicker]

limp to me just means incapable of accentuating peaks

planars struggle with this a lot more than dynamics in my experience bit it's not a perfect rule

[dry stratus]

Sounds like something nsfw

[molten lotus]

he400se bass

[unique wind]

he400se doesn’t sound limp at all

[molten lotus]

for your standards maybe

[dry stratus]

Dynamics shit themselves on bass imo

[unique wind]

i mean it sounds like it lacks bass

but it doesn’t sound slow or soft at all

[molten lotus]

i think the headphone is great for 110$

but limp bass

[unique wind]

if you mean the presence of it i agree

[molten lotus]

it sounds thin even when emphasized

I am not talking about slam

[summer flicker]

I honestly think that's a myth. planars also shit themselves on bass in the same ways and in other ways too.

[molten lotus]

planars have thinner bass

dynamics have thicker bass

[unique wind]

it’s pretty hard to make something have objectively bad bass

a properly built subwoofer can play at 10% distortion

[molten lotus]

if you think spl means bass quality then yeah

[unique wind]

no i mean by boosting it

[dry stratus]

I would call it “can’t handle bass frequencies and just starts shitting all over itself trying to reproduce it”

[unique wind]

and not having audible distortion

our ears technical ability in the bass region is very little

[summer flicker]

that's definitely a problem with bad dynamics more than it is with bad planars

@dry stratus

but bad planars have the opposite issue

where they feel completely incapable of accentuating peaks at all

[dry stratus]

I prefer planar bass by a lot

[unique wind]

i prefer thinner faster rumbly bass

i don’t like thick warm bass

it gives me a headache

[dry stratus]

I’ll take the bass on an he1k or arya over basically all dynamics

[molten lotus]

depends on the dynamic

[unique wind]

but that’s mostly down to what frequencies are emphasized

[molten lotus]

good dynamics can do it nice

bad dynamics shit themselves mostly tho

[summer flicker]

headphone rumble is actually more common in slower headphones I find. there's a middle ground at the end of the day

[unique wind]

yeah i’m probably not able to discern these differences you’re talking about

what makes or breaks bass is what frequencies are boosted to me

if 120-200hz is boosted a lot it’ll annoy me

[summer flicker]

some planars can rumble pretty fucking good. but none of them rumble as good as a foster driver aside from maybe lcd4

[unique wind]

if 20-60hz is boosted a lot i don’t think that it impacts clarity at all

[dry stratus]

To me is if it sounds like bass it is bad

[unique wind]

because it’s outside of the vocal range

[summer flicker]

yeah those are safe frequencies. I like a tiny bit of bleed personally. adds a small bit of character I dont find offensive

woops wrong reply

[summer flicker]

.

[molten lotus]

depends

[unique wind]

it will if it’s an outrageously huge boost

[molten lotus]

if the headphone can actually do 20-60hz without it disrupting the other parts of the frequency spectrum then sure

which most low end headphones can't do

[unique wind]

but you can easily throw 10db at it and it just makes the rumble of the beat louder because there aren’t any instruments or vocal information down there

[summer flicker]

yeah nothing is safe if ur doing +20db

[molten lotus]

tonally yes but like

headphones can't just do a +10dB 20hz movement

stop and then do a 20khz movement

[unique wind]

another win for in ear monitors

[summer flicker]

ugh honestly

I just don't like the bass on iems

[molten lotus]

I don't like iems

[summer flicker]

generally neither do i

[molten lotus]

iem bass is absolutely stinky too

[unique wind]

the bass on iems sounds a lot more like speakers+sub than headphones do to me

[molten lotus]

iem bass is like

[unique wind]

headphones always sound unnaturally flat and lacking in bass

[molten lotus]

bad dynamic headphone bass

generally

[unique wind]

never heard a headphone that sounds anything remotely like any speakers i’ve used

they always sound like they’re missing 20db of subbass

[summer flicker]

there's something about shoving sound in ur ear canal that just fucks with the feeling of "tactility" as well as more obviously, air movement on your skin(rumble)

[unique wind]

oddly enough i find that i feel more subbass texture with iems

it’s like headphones barely move air at all

neither compete with a sub though obviously

[dry stratus]

rumble = nausea

[unique wind]

headphones sound like they’re desperately trying to puff air towards my ears whereas iems are sealed

it could be that i have a weird head shape because i’ve never had a headphone that sits on my head well and seals around my ears

i constantly adjust them

[dry stratus]

opposite issue of me

[summer flicker]

if ur weak

[unique wind]

i always have to choose either having them dangle off the bottom or have an air gap up top

no amount of cup swivel or pad angle helps me, the only thing that does is really strong clamping force with thick pads

[summer flicker]

yeah I mean that would 1000% ruin it

have you tried audezes Michael, I do not think it's physically possible to not seal those unless you have a hole in ur face lol

[unique wind]

i haven’t

but i want headphones with as much clamp as construction headphones

[dry stratus]

I have no idea how audezes sound, even tho I've heard multiple...

[unique wind]

and they have to have a lot of headband extension too because i have a big melon

[dry stratus]

they never sounded the same

[unique wind]

my dad is 6’, i’m 5’9, and the headphones that he uses with the headband completely compressed i have to fully extend

interesting how different people can be even when related

[summer flicker]

lcd4s will crush your skull, and then blow your head off

and also make you go bankrupt

[unique wind]

$4000

[summer flicker]

you won't have to worry where the treble or your money is because you'll be dead

[unique wind]

were they aiming for linear response intentionally

not trying to give it ear gain

i wonder if i could find a headphone that lets you adjust the clamp force

[molten lotus]

1266

lol

[unique wind]

an actual headphone

[unique wind]

they look nice

[dry stratus]

They have to cost at least a mil to be good -someone

[unique wind]

(klaus)

i own other tangzu iems and like them

i also own 7hz salnotes which measure similarly to those wan’rer

i think those will most likely be good

[molten lotus]

When i livestream a game or anything in twitch or youtube using OBS studio.

I tried to hear my livestream audio in different devices(varies mobiles/TV/laptops/speakers/earbuds/headphones)
I am getting different type of volume range sound .

How to decide what volume range is best for major audience?
I am confused

[gilded scaffold]

Just out of curiousity, for those with infinite budget what do performance end game headphones of various flavours cost? I specify performance just to differentiate it from headphones that might cost thousands due to luxury brand status or rarity, since I doubt the answer is "sort by price, highest options are best".

[unique wind]

@molten lotus

-30 to -20 is a good range for your game volume and -18 to -12 for your voice

unless you want the game to be the same volume as your voice, that’s up to you, just try to keep any noises from entering the red

[molten lotus]

I usually keep game sound between green to yellow.
It bumps up to yellow only at intense scenes.

👍
I am not using mic so i disabled mic.

Although i have a cheap mic(3$) and tried Rtx voice with it
I am not satisfied with it's mic.

I need to buy some cheap bluetooth mic 🤔.
Any suggestions?

Thanks for the info i downloaded the images

But is RTX voice better than OBS noise suppression+noise gate?

[unique wind]

i don’t know of any bluetooth microphones

[molten lotus]

Wt about noise suppression+noise gate is better than RTX voice?

[unique wind]

i’ve never used rtx voice but generally the stronger the noise suppression is the more unnatural it sounds

[unique wind]

this hobby is very subjective and there’s good options at every price range

most of the “affordable” end game headphones are in the $600-2000 range, but there’s many great headphones for $600 or less

there’s also headphones that are highly praised that cost $6000-20,000 but those are out of the range of almost everyone

[gilded scaffold]

Yeah this is more out of idle curiosity than anything to inspire a purchasing decision. The vast majority of sources tend to consider price/performance (which is obviously sensible in reality), but I find it interesting to look at what exists in the world for maximum raw performance in various categories. I grant this category is particularly subjective so there might be people who would still choose 600$ headphones even if they could have any pair they wanted for free, but theres probably some objective sense stuff that makes the best of the best better than the mid range in a similar way that midrange (or even budget) is better than random gaming headsets.

[unique wind]

there is objectivity in audio gear but the point of diminishing returns with it in terms of cost is quite low

and then there’s a whole world of subjective enjoyment and comfort

if you only care about objectivity you can buy a sennheiser hd560s for $160 and a budget headphone amp and you’re done, but there’s a ton of room to grow from that beyond objective frequency response measurements

[lean grove]

There's quite a few people that spend all their focus on the hd600's and it's many variants, and then see what source gear works best for it. So they have $300 headphones and then thousands in tube amps, dacs, pre-amps, power supplies, etc.

There's also people that only look at vintage stuff that, at some point, was top of the line. And they do things that are very interesting and different compared to modern stuff.

[molten lotus]

it is very difficult to say since subjectivity is a big part in the hobby, but if I had to answer

it would probably be sennheiser he1, warwick aperio and susvaras

[dry stratus]

Utopia and the raal stuff probably aswell

[molten lotus]

i think utopia is a bigger diminishing return

idk about what raal is

[unique wind]

cursed

[dry stratus]

Which?

[lean grove]

Michaels afraid of low impedance headphones

[dry stratus]

The one with foam pads with holes or no pads?

[unique wind]

both

[dry stratus]

Why?

[unique wind]

they look cursed

[dry stratus]

What about it tho

[unique wind]

everything about it looks the exact opposite of ergonomic

[dry stratus]

Buy one

Look weird

[unique wind]

that’s exactly what i imagined someone who owned them would look like

[dry stratus]

Like a jobless mid 20s guy?

[unique wind]

a nerd

[dry stratus]

Same thing

[wintry oasis]

Rectangular Glasses are the worst glasses

Prove me wrong

[unique wind]

i can’t prove you wrong because you’re right

thin rectangle glasses don’t look good on anyone

[molten lotus]

depends on the person

[molten lotus]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Y1C6GDS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2AN59XOQCTDYD&psc=1

is this a good mic?

[unique wind]

yah

[weak rapids]

Day 2 of goxlr on fb marketplace and kijiji with no messages

[dry stratus]

I would say it sometimes can, but it usually is worn by people like the above who have no idea how to do their hair

[molten lotus]

we just found the one person on the planet that doesn't think the huge round frames are ugly as shit.

Go get yourself some military tortoise shell glasses and enjoy the birth control effect.

[dry stratus]

Just get aviators, and look like a douche bag instantly

[molten lotus]

them good old mirrored sunglasses with the mirrors on the inside

[unique wind]

found the guy who wears thin rectangle glasses

[summer flicker]

I don't know man. but usually it's nothing eq can't solve. you have to be aware of what you're buying with audezes though. because unit variance is through the roof

but they will seal. a cheap alternative is the audeze lcd2.2 which is still pretty decent.

same deal though, unit variance, needs eq

[dry stratus]

A good audeze is very good, a bad audeze is dogshit

And the RNG is worse than a gacha game

[turbid grove]

Hi, is Rode Wireless go 2 worth it or you recommend something else?

I already have a studio XLR mic but I need a wireless for new ideas I'ma do.

It's $200 here single mic and receiver

[white gate]

The CA1A are actually super comfy

[dry stratus]

The raal and the 5-6k$ warwick seem like such amazing value

Which sounds weird, because a normal human would consider 300 already “high end”

[white gate]

The CA-1A is tbh, though the issue is you need a stupid amp to power them. They're the most power hungry headphones I know of that are commercially available I think.

The SR1B not so much. It's cool and definitely does some very interesting stuff but it's NOT an all rounder in the slightest and would never recommend anyone get them as their only headphone

[dry stratus]

With how cheap the headphones are, you can easily find an amp and still call it cheap for the performance probs

Compared to stuff such as utopia, susvara, and other summit fi stuff ofc

[molten lotus]

he6se

[white gate]

HE6SE is nowhere near as hard to drive

also HE6SE and OG HE6 are very different

[dry stratus]

He6se shouldn’t be called he6

[white gate]

^^

Honestly this

[dry stratus]

Og He6 too good in comparison

[molten lotus]

he6se is more insensitive than he6

and ca 1a measure around 93dB/mW

[white gate]

But yeah, Susvara for example is about 63 Ohms and 77dB/mW (actual spec, listed spec is incorrect)
So for 110dB coverage you need 2W clean power

Raal SR1B via Ti1B is 32 Ohm and 62dB/mW so for 110dB coverage you need 63W 😛

[molten lotus]

I was using amirs measurements

according to them ca 1a is 93dBmW

and he6se needs 1300mw for 94dB

[white gate]

CA1A is on its way back to me atm so can't check right now

But yeah SR1B are crazy hard to drive

CA1A is more reasonable but can't remember how much

I think the only other headphone close to it is Modhouse tungsten but the final version of that should be easier to drive

[molten lotus]

sr1b is pretty unreasonable yeah

[dry stratus]

Wrong channel?

[turbid grove]

Oh sorry

[dry stratus]

Just a question, no worries

[molten lotus]

better be

[dry stratus]

Klaus being evil

[dry stratus]

What is modhouse tungsten?

[molten lotus]

@unique wind

[dry stratus]

How to know they aren’t actually experts:

Just your average person can easily see 120-165 vs 60

Some 240 vs 165

Any further and basically no one tho

[tiny scarab]

do you think this is a trustworthy aliexpress seller for iems?

[white gate]

Upcoming planar from Ryan/Modhouse

It's REALLY good, but the current iteration is 180 ohm and 73dB/mW 😛

[molten lotus]

speaker amp time

[placid jacinth]

does anyone know how to make my pc a karaoke setup, (i want to hear my voice realtime while i play a youtube karaoke vid and have one of those cool hall sound effects)\

[plain widget]

that's so low

[plain widget]

any price estimation?

[weak rapids]

day 3 of no messages for goxlr mini on fb and kijiji

[white gate]

I think 2k with possible 1500 earlybird deal but it's not final. Driver is still going through revisions.
Atm he's trying to get slightly thicker gold traces to address the 'you need 30dB of gain to run them' issue.

He has a silver version which is not too tricky to drive but it doesn't sound as good

[plain widget]

damn. i'm kinda interested but not 2k interested tbh

[dry stratus]

Any idea what kind of sound signature it has?, warm, bright, etc?

[unique wind]

that is very surprising

i’ll take your word for it

[nova frost]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/custom-art-fibae-5-in-ear-monitors/

[nova frost]

😛

my headset like 28ohms but go loud as F

but I noticed the sound blaster z soundcard dose come with a lil extra gain you can't control

[grave briar]

I know next to nothing about speakers but do you need any additional software to make them perform at their best or do they just plug n play?

[lean grove]

Technically yes realistically no.

[molten lotus]

if you have something like a measurement mic you can benefit from room eq

but apart from that its subjective

generally people are fond of boosting sub bass and such, while you don't need it to make speakers enjoyable, you might find such tunings more fun

[steady ether]

Hey guys so I got new JBL tune 760NC headphones, and they are great! but at the max volume I can hear some tearing or something, it just has too much bass or something. Is that normal?

like something blowing hard or something

I can't quite describe it

[lean grove]

Might be clipping. Are you using any EQ?

[leaden cloak]

Known good ones should be plug n play

Oh you left

[median frigate]

how much would u rate the airpod pro 1 compared to some HiFi audio devices?

[covert basin]

any cheap wired headphone recommendations my hyperx cloud 2 have started showing heavy wear damage on em

preferably without a built in mic

if it has a mic preferably be able to take it off

i do have a hyperx cloud 2 wireless but they last a very short time which annoys me

[molten lotus]

cloud 2 but wired

[covert basin]

i have cloud 2 wired atm

[molten lotus]

akg k361

[covert basin]

what about usb headphones

[dry stratus]

That’s called buy a cheap af dongle

[molten lotus]

usb headphones are bad and fragile

[covert basin]

as in the usb itself or the headphones

[molten lotus]

headphones mainly

[covert basin]

cuz ive smashed my headphones mutliple times and theyre still to this day completely fine after 5-6yrs of using htem

[molten lotus]

they have the fragility and space occupation of a bluetooth headphone

[dry stratus]

Usb headphone just means they built the crappy amp/dac into the headset itself

[molten lotus]

but without the wireless part

[weak rapids]

I swear USB headphones are my least favorite

[dry stratus]

I mean, technically usb headphones don't exist

because that's called a headset usually, as its everything in one on your head

the amp/dac (because yes, usb doesn't do analog after all), the mic, the headphone itself, etc

[median frigate]

yo guys

how much wud u rate cosmic byte headphones?

but just

compare it with some headphones

[weak rapids]

like, from my perspective, I love the convenience wireless headphones give, but the ones not using bluetooth cant connect to mixers or amps since its a USB dongle, and USB wired headphones end up having that exact same downfall but now with an annoying cable and usually no sound improvement cause most USB headphones are "gaming" headphones and horseshit already

[nova wagon]

not even worth the effort it took the manufacture to make it

its basically e waste, newly produced every time so that our planet could combust faster

[median frigate]

thanks for the reply

i want to prove my friend wrong

but he wont listen to me so i thot i wud just ask some audio experts to prove him wrong

[nova wagon]

i mean lets be real, he prob doesnt have money to buy anything thats better than that tbh

[median frigate]

ikr and he fights back to prove those are equivalent to airpods pro..i mean...

[nova wagon]

i mean, does he have the airpods to begin with?

[median frigate]

lol he says his mom uses one but she uses an android

idk what to say

he just says nonsense to try prove me wrong

[dry stratus]

but there are audio products sub 20$ that don't suck tho

[nova wagon]

Shush.

He doesn't know

[dry stratus]

average consumer brainwashed into thinking low quality dogshit products are fine/good enough, and anything even remotely alright is overpriced and cannot be found within reasonable budgets such as 20$, 40$, 80$, 160$, etc

[raw loom]

Is this a good channel to ask about pc speakers?

[unique wind]

yah

[raw loom]

Currently using a jbl go 2 as pc speaker, and starting to become very very tired of its lacklustre sound quality.

I'm looking at approx 200 euros in budget, but am quite clueless as to which speakers could be good for me

[molten lotus]

nah, no way

[molten lotus]

edifier mr4

[raw loom]

Edifier R1080BT
Searching for the mr4 i found these, whatchu think?

[unique wind]

check the price of the r1280db and r1700bt, if those are within your budget they’re better speakers

[raw loom]

r1700 is in range

and have a remote

uu

[unique wind]

nice

[raw loom]

150 euros, not too bad

Ive previously had issues with speakers developing a kind of white noise thing

is this still an issue with current day speakers or is that me becoming old

[lean grove]

That's gonna be an issue with just about every speaker under $1000

[raw loom]

Its not an issue for my jbl go 2

[lean grove]

Some it's less of an issue than others

[raw loom]

and thats not especially such an amazing speaker lol

[raw loom]

Hmm okay

[lean grove]

If you have a low wattage amplifier, like your small JBL speaker, it won't be an issue

[raw loom]

ah okay

[lean grove]

But a lot of the time speaker manufacturers try and dazzle consumers with high wattage and that's where you get the hiss

How many watts are the 1700?

[raw loom]

66

but i think thats both combined

[haughty moon]

anything can be done about some low hum in an old amplifier (nad model 140)
it plays really nicely but when nothing is playing there's that hum always present.
maybe some recap job would help ...

[lean grove]

Yeah. Tweeter has a 15 watt amp and woofer has an 18 watt amp.

So, really, that's not an overly ambitious wattage

[raw loom]

Thats good right?

In this sense lol

[lean grove]

Yeah. For anything short of a house party a few watts is really all you need.

[raw loom]

Ive used 1000w speakers in a sound setup before with insane subs as added bonus, but that was used for school parties and all

[raw loom]

Perfect

its on sale for 120 euros rn

woahs

[lean grove]

Get it

[raw loom]

yeah need to find the money for it

lol

money isnt due for a while

[steady ether]

no

I think its fine

it happens only at max volume

and on some audio only

[lean grove]

if its only at max volume, then its clipping

basically the amplifier in your headphones are getting asked for too much power and they cant deliver

so they just kinda bottom out.

[steady ether]

is that bad?

I can still return them

but for the price they are the best hands down

[steady ether]

I've had this before on older headphones

[viscid grove]

I have a rode nt usb mini and it sounds like dogshit on discord but perfectly fine on audacity, any suggestions?

[lean grove]

go to voice and video settings and turn off noise cancellation

[raw loom]

Is there any way to eq these speakers in win10?

Any app or setting I'm missing that would work? Or just plug and enjoy

[lean grove]

Well if you want simple EQ they have bass and treble dials on them I'm pretty sure.

But if you wanna do proper EQ then you'll need to download REW and look for some sort of measurement mic. Which you can probably find on eBay for like €20-€40

[raw loom]

They'll be in a pretty unreachable place, but if its setting it once that should work

It makes me frustrated that they don't mention the cable length for these anywhere(at least not that I could find)

Found it

5m

[molten lotus]

unreachable place?

[raw loom]

Yes

[molten lotus]

elaborate please

also mr4 > 1280

idk about 1700

[raw loom]

In the broadest sense of the phrase, I won't be able to access them easily

[molten lotus]

where will they be placed

[raw loom]

My desk is 110 cm by 90 cm, they'll be up and at the back of that 90cm

[molten lotus]

ah okay

[raw loom]

So unless I'm feeling frisky and want to climb onto my desk xd

[molten lotus]

i thought you would place them in some obnoxious place

was about to tell you not to do that

[raw loom]

Hahaha nah I'm not a complete psycho xd

[molten lotus]

but you want to place those speakers not too much away from yourself

further you go more bass falls off

[raw loom]

1m approx

[molten lotus]

should be fine

[raw loom]

I'll check if they have those around here

But 120-130 for the 1700 feels like a good deal

[molten lotus]

I don't know about 1700, it may or may not be better than the mr4

but regardless, 1280 isn't bad either

also although you likely know, bigger number is not necessarily better

[raw loom]

Yup naming schemes are wack asf

Mr4 looks good

Same price range

(with the 1700 being on sale)

I prefer the mr4 look but it's "only" 22w

Will it make much of a difference? As pc speakers I'm not even sure if I'll ever use them at max volume (if the wattage scales when you turn up the volume)

[molten lotus]

not at all

i could make a 3w speaker a lot louder than either of those speakers

or a 1000w one that is less loud than all of those

[raw loom]

Interesting. So what am I looking at to compare these speakers?

I'm not very well versed in this (as you can see lol)

[molten lotus]

sensitivity etc

but realistically

no wired speaker should have issues being loud

at least no consumer marketed ones

[raw loom]

Hmm okay

I think imma get the mr4 then, they're smaller overall but more than enough for me

Shame the 3.5mm is at the front for the mr4 tho

[unique wind]

it's pretty easy to make anything passive play at ear damaging volumes

[lean grove]

At a desktop yes

[placid geyser]

i run my focusrite on like 1/6th of the max volume

and that is still loud

[stuck garden]

Left my set of Jabra 75t buds at my friend's house, need new ones but with wing tips. Any suggestions? (US)

[vagrant lark]

so got a question, looking to build a PC that is meant to record and edit music, right now looking to priortize my CPU,RAM and Storage speeds should I focus less on the pc and more on the audio perpherals like an audio interface and a Dap ?

[molten lotus]

to my knowledge

cpu and ram do not matter at all

unless like your system is so bad that basic tasks get bottlenecked

you need an audio interface

you do not need a dap

[vagrant lark]

ok good thats what i was thinking

[covert basin]

Whats the difference between the AKG 361 & 371

Found a 371 on the used market for 100€

No 361’s on the used market

[lean grove]

371 have a bit more bass

[covert basin]

Thats it?

[lean grove]

well there might be a few more in-depth reviews on the difference but thats the gist of it

[covert basin]

Alr

[covert basin]

Got the AKG 371’s for 85€ + shipping 6,9€

[cobalt sparrow]

Nice

[cyan coral]

its even cheaper btw it is canadian dollar

what so good about them anyways

[covert basin]

what is my blud waffling about

that is not a akg 371

thats a k52

[cyan coral]

oup

[cyan coral]

what o good about the akg 371

[covert basin]

studio headphones

gonna be using em only for gaming/music tho

[molten lotus]

k52 is really bad

like really really bad

[cyan coral]

can u recommend me a great headphone for gaming

[molten lotus]

dt880 250ohm

[cyan coral]

price made my hands shake

[tender frost]

HyperX Clouds

Or, better yet, give us your budget

[cyan coral]

100$

[plain widget]

ksc75+mic

[molten lotus]

akg k361

i don't recommend ksc75

[weak rapids]

Idk the trebel difference compared to the 990 pro but fuck if the trebel on it was ever piercing lol

[molten lotus]

treble isn't too different

just doesn't have the dumb midbass of 990

[dry stratus]

990 has a slightly sharper edge

[weak rapids]

Like if that awp in csgo was ever deafening lol

[cyan coral]

wtf is this bro

we re in 2023

[dry stratus]

no, this is 1933
look at twitter
we are going back

[cyan coral]

twitter is -523

[dry stratus]

Twitter is back in medieval time

[cyan coral]

this one https://www.amazon.ca/AKG-Pro-Audio-K361BT-Closed-Back/dp/B07ZL6LK9H/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LCB2A47EYS1O&keywords=akg+k361&qid=1678106315&s=electronics&sprefix=akg+k361%2Celectronics%2C149&sr=1-4

[molten lotus]

not the bluetooth version

[cyan coral]

what is twitter

[dry stratus]

back when they thought the earth is 20x20 meters

and different colored blood or smth

[cyan coral]

https://www.amazon.ca/AKG-K361/dp/B07T5V699K/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=akg+k361+wired&qid=1678106434&s=electronics&sr=1-1

[molten lotus]

yes

[dry stratus]

a virus that grows inside of humans, originating from west europe and the US
now everywhere

[cyan coral]

elon musk is gonna boost it dw

i am sure of it lol

[dry stratus]

even more spread

[plain widget]

sounds better than 99% of gaming headsets

[dry stratus]

still too much bass tho

[cyan coral]

but bro come on what is the use of that if u get 0 rizz doesnt even look like an headphone

[dry stratus]

KPH30i then

[weak rapids]

Honestly my biggest problem with the 990 pro wasnt the trebel boost, it was the damn coiled cable

Why tf would you use a coiled cable on headphones, shit made the wire so short and got in the way of everything

[unique wind]

some people think they look cool

i think they’re neat too but i’m not a fan of any headphone with a soldered cable

[dry stratus]

How about not soldered but glued?

[unique wind]

[dry stratus]

better or worse?

[unique wind]

wym glued cable

show me

[dry stratus]

just some headphones that use hot glue instead of solder

just like some laptop companies do

[unique wind]

i didn’t know that was a possibility

[dry stratus]

I mean, all it has to do is keep it in place

[unique wind]

i hate companies who use glue and apoxy instead of screws

[dry stratus]

you wouldn't use hot glue if you were them?

[unique wind]

no

[dry stratus]

more money, if it breaks they have to buy again

[unique wind]

my mind doesn’t work that way

if i’m already a millionaire i have no reason to be unnecessarily greedy

[dry stratus]

I would do it with some things, but not with things like SSDs

like those prebuilt PCs with the sata cable glued to the SSD

[weak rapids]

Okay sure maybe, but for like keyboards where you don’t constantly move them, on headphones it literally worsens your experience

[weak rapids]

Ikr, like lets say I had Elon Musks wealth, I would either

A: never work again and donate half to charities, maybe more

B: continue making income and donate like 90% to charities each year

[unique wind]

nah bro he needs one trillion net worth even though he passed the point of being able to afford anything in the world many years ago

[plain widget]

so ur a fan of RGB on headphones? may I ask why if u never see them because they're on your head

[weak rapids]

I choose to block out people who use the word “rizz”

But yeah rgb on headphones really aint fly, totally not tubular

[unique wind]

ong fr word to mom cuzzo

[weak rapids]

Rgb on headphones aint gnarly tbh

Not way cool

And definitely not mondo

[dry stratus]

RGB is cringe

[weak rapids]

It really is tbh

[unique wind]

i think it’s cool in some things to let you change your room color on the fly

but i’m not a fan of leaving it on rainbow cycle

and i’d rather it not be on my headphones

[dry stratus]

how about RGB toilet seating?

[unique wind]

sure why not

RGB bidet

[weak rapids]

Rgb water

[cyan coral]

but u can feel the fps increasing

and common is not even on the head

[plain widget]

[plain widget]

I can't just block everyone of the same age as me because I'm myself a boomer in mind

[weak rapids]

Lmao

I hope to high hell anyone over 20 doesnt use the word rizz

[cyan coral]

but bro if u see those headphone u will loose the logic of time

[weak rapids]

… what?

[dry stratus]

I hope anyone over 12 doesn't use "kek" irl

yet they do

[weak rapids]

Tf does kek even mean

I swear its literally just another type of “lol”

[molten lotus]

it is

[lean grove]

It's how funny green people say lol

[misty nymph]

Hi, what does "fun" actually mean in this graph? I was going for DT990 Pro and I couldn't come up with something why it would be "fun" to buy them

*the graph is from forums

[lean grove]

Thats a crusty outdated graph if I've ever seen one

But in this sense fun = more bass

Or more v shaped

[white gate]

DT990 pro is 'fun'?

[weak rapids]

Ive seen DT990s considered quite bad nowadays from a lot of audiophile yt channels

[molten lotus]

apparently

it should be illegal to put k240 in any form of purchase advice list

[weak rapids]

Wait hold on, are the top 2 analytical ones on that list closed backs?

[misty nymph]

Oh more bass ...always need more bass, sure

[white gate]

Yeah they're really not great

I think I have a pair somewhere

it's great if you like being stabbed

[weak rapids]

Imo, all they have to do is get rid of their usual treble boost and they would be pretty good

[misty nymph]

Is DT770 Pro better in that case?

[weak rapids]

Actually im pretty sure the 770 pro has an even bigger treble boost lol, but being closed back they also have more bass

[white gate]

I'd avoid beyer generally personally

[weak rapids]

Yeah

Sennheiser is a better option

Except for closed backs

[misty nymph]

Well I enjoy 450BT from Sennheiser, I know it's not as high end but..

What's the competitor from Sennheiser to DT770 or DT990?

[weak rapids]

Id say the competitor for the DT990 is the HD560s for the same price bracket, as for dt770 Sennheiser is shit at closed backs, so the Akg k371 is better

[unique wind]

it doesn’t have much bass

[dry stratus]

I don't exist

[unique wind]

not sure why youtubers say it has a lot of bass because it doesn’t

[misty nymph]

Oh they're 120 Ω, which brings me to my next question

I was trying to figure out whether the (guitar) amp I'm about to buy could drive 120 Ω or 250 Ω, a lot of people say it sounds bad with 32 Ω phones, so I thought maybe 80 Ω would do the trick

The amp is gonna be Boss Katana 50 Mark II

[unique wind]

if you’re shopping in the 770/990 price range and want a good headphone with a bass focused sound signature then you should check out the AKG K371

[misty nymph]

I don't know if need one that is bass focused, since I'm going to be using it only for guitar

[weak rapids]

They just look uncomfortable to me, but again thats just looks, earcups look like they are small enough to be on ears

[unique wind]

we’ve established you’re not human

[dry stratus]

yes, that is why I can legally hate on humans

[weak rapids]

Every day at work i say “i hate humans” at least 10 times

[dry stratus]

I do it so much I was diagnosed for it

[lean grove]

If you want a Beyer, get the dt880. It's far better than the 770 and 990. And as for impedance 250 ohm is the sweet spot. 80 ohms will be good enough tho.

Idk if there's an 80ohm 880 tho

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pretty sure it's only 250 and 600 for dt880

[dry stratus]

why isn't there a 2000 ohm version or smth

[unique wind]

8ohm

[dry stratus]

0 ohm

[silver bay]

can i get help on picking a budget pair or possibly other reccomendations? im currently thinking of getting a new pair of headphones, the one i currently have is a cheap under 20€ fantech gaming headset
but they're getting old, the mic doesnt even work anymore and are a little ugly even if the audio quality is not the bad from a non audiophile perspective

initially i was looking to go for sennheiser hd 300 which is a pair i have actually once tried from a classmate but i think with the type of headband it has it would become uncomfortable for long periods of time
my other option is the akg k52 which ive heard good things about and has the adjustable headband style im more used to but i havent tried them myself so im not sure

i'd like to mention that i dont have any kind of fancy audio equipment and they would mostly be used for gaming, watching videos and listening to music on my pc or phone pretty much

[unique wind]

gotta list your budget and country

[silver bay]

oh budget would ideally be under 50€ and uh portugal (europe)

[weak rapids]

Connect your phone to your pc, and stick it up to your ear

[unique wind]

i can’t recommend any over ear headphones under 50 euros

there are many in ear monitors in that price range that are good though

[lunar tide]

Uh... is it kosher to ask about airpods in this channel? Or will I get boo'd off the stage

My airpod gen 2's are starting to lose their oomph. anyone have any recommendations for wireless earbuds with a similar form-factor to the Airpods gen 2? NOT Pro. My stupid ears do not like using the silicone buds for long periods or for daily use.

The only ones I've found are like $50 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PMYG2WX) or just knock-offs. I just want a nice alternative if I don't wanna keep wrestling with Apple products on my android.

I'm also open to using gen 3's but I remember reading pretty mixed reviews of their form factor when they first came out.

[unique wind]

airpods pro 2 are given good praise in this channel but i don’t know anything about hard plastic tip earbuds

[silver bay]

damn ok this was useless bye

[unique wind]

okay then

sorry i didn’t recommend you to buy some electronic waste

[lunar tide]

Totally fair. It seems like a weirdly niche market considering the success of the Airpod gen 1 and 2's

I just know silicone tips do not work for me

[unique wind]

that’s completely valid i just don’t know any to recommend to you

i’ve never looked at them

[dry stratus]

all I know of are some of the worst options

beans for example

[halcyon magnet]

what is a good way to process my mic for live chatting? I have an at2035 hooked up to a behringer u-phoria UMC22 and it sounds fine out the box however I want to sound good

[unique wind]

equalizer apo or obs

using the virtual cable input/output program

[molten lotus]

gen 1-3 are actually straight up bad though

there is really no point in buying gen 1-3 over any other tws available

since they come with none of the features that make airpod pros good

even if you are exclusively in an entirely apple habitat

[lunar tide]

Except I mentioned that my ears do not do well with silicone tips. They hurt my ears with frequent use

[molten lotus]

you will get used to it in a week

two at most

[lunar tide]

And I don't care about apple stuff, hence why I'm asking if there are high end alternatives

[molten lotus]

if you can go for pro 2 then go for it, they are excellent, if you do not want silicone tips then stick to pods 2

you wont get anything better

[lunar tide]

Except I've used silicone tips for years in various sizes, form factors, and brands (all good ones) and never found a pair as comfortable to me as airpods

[molten lotus]

you tried foam tips?

[lunar tide]

Yep

[molten lotus]

triple fold?

spin fits?

[lunar tide]

Anything that goes in my ear holes for extended periods has caused me pain over time

[molten lotus]

you wont get much better than gen 2/3 with earbuds regardless

so stick to those

or go for over ears

[lunar tide]

but I'm not an audiophile, nor have I been up-to-date with the happenings in the wireless earbud world. So I was asking if there were alternatives

[molten lotus]

yeah, there aren't really any

[lunar tide]

over ears are also a no-go for my uses. I need something to slip in and out at work or on the go

[molten lotus]

earbud market is dead

iems are where the money is at now

[lunar tide]

bummer.

[molten lotus]

im not going to proclaim there are literally no earbuds equivalent or better than gen 2s

but it is super unlikely you will find one

[lunar tide]

No I get you. And the issue is that I'm specifically looking for a similar form-factor/fit

I hate that they're the only ones that have been consistently comfortable for me

like I can fall asleep with these on AND hear everything going on around me

Straight-up surprising that no other big brands have made a direct competitor

[unique wind]

there’s not a lot of money to be made

[molten lotus]

yeah, especially when iems are like just sort of

directly better

[unique wind]

not even that

iems are a very small market compared to wireless in ears in general

[lunar tide]

literally never heard of iems until just now

[molten lotus]

its just a term

silicone tip = iem

[unique wind]

it’s just that most people prefer in ears with tips, not earbuds

[lunar tide]

I can believe this though

[molten lotus]

wireless in ears are iems

well the ones with silicone tips

[lunar tide]

yeah, and I get why. if my stupid ears didn't get super sore after a few days of heavy use (and I have to stop wearing em for days in a row to feel better), I'd agree that they're just better

[unique wind]

they’re marketed as true wireless earbuds so you can suggit klaus

[molten lotus]

doesn't matter

[unique wind]

ur just making it difficult to differentiate what we’re talking about

[molten lotus]

because its marketed different doesn't make it not that

[unique wind]

yeah i just don’t care

i’ll use the common term so people know what i’m talking about

[lunar tide]

respectfully, wireless earbuds is just the normal term. Unless you're in a specific field that refers to them as that, you're being pedantic

[unique wind]

true

[lunar tide]

it IS easier to type tho

so there's that

[unique wind]

when someone says iem i think of the audiophile community

[molten lotus]

earbud is used to refer to iems without silicone tips

[unique wind]

if someone says earbud i think of consumer wireless earbuds

it’s an easy way to differentiate the two market segments

because they’re wildly different

[molten lotus]

understanding the difference is fine but so is telling the person you are speaking the difference between them so there is no further confusion

[unique wind]

the confusion comes from you trying to teach them a new term instead of giving them shopping advice

in ear monitor is not gonna become the popular term

[lunar tide]

So if there aren't any real competitors to the Gen 2's, are there wireless earbuds that don't go as deep in the ear?

[unique wind]

did you say there were problems with the third gens? i’ve never looked at them

[molten lotus]

being confused about using different terms with something with silicone on it and not on it says more things about you than of the ragument

[lunar tide]

I've never used em before. I've just heard very meh things about the new form factor's comfort.

[molten lotus]

just give them a try ig

[lunar tide]

But I'm considering popping by an apple store to try a pair on

[molten lotus]

you wont find much stuff

[lunar tide]

yeah, I heard the sound quality on the 3's is much better

[unique wind]

just bring lysol or something before you put them in your ear lmao

[lunar tide]

brother I'm gonna bring a tub of bleach

[unique wind]

[lunar tide]

If I do decide to go with the silicon-tip route, any chance someone knows ones that are designed to put most of the pressure on anywhere but the inside of the ear canal?

[molten lotus]

airpod pros

lol

they barely go in your ears

[lunar tide]

forreal?

[molten lotus]

yeah

[lunar tide]

cuz that's actually potentially viable then

[molten lotus]

i mean if you are going out to try the gen 3s may as well try the pros

[unique wind]

the ones that have a stem that hang below your ear are the ones that won’t go inside your ear as deeply

[lunar tide]

True, true

[lunar tide]

any recommendations that spring to mind? Just so I have a starting point of brands/product lines?

I've literally only seen airpods and airpod knockoffs with the stems

but I'm a scrub so idk

[unique wind]

airpods pro 2 are unironically the best ones

surprisingly

most of the enthusiast products go deep in the ear

and are wired

[lunar tide]

Well I'm not a huge fan of Apple, but the airpod gen 2's blew my mind, so I'm definitely willing to give the pro 2's a shot

[lunar tide]

oh yeah, I'm not looking for the best audio fidelity lol

I just need something I can pop in at work or something to listen to podcasts or music when things get slow

I was eyeing up the Galaxy Bud Pros 2 if I HAD to go with a silicone-tip one, but knowing that the Airpod Pro's form factor barely goes in the ear canal.. damn I really do gotta go try some huh.

Plus I'd get that sweet sweet wireless charging

[unique wind]

galaxy bud pro 2 i believe are the second best

but theyll probably go deeper anyway

[lunar tide]

I do have an S23... but yeah if they go deeper in then I'll try the pros first

[glossy crown]

heya

[unique wind]

hi

[lunar tide]

oof that price tag on the airpod pro 2s

[glossy crown]

anyone has recommendation for gaming headset in the neighborhood of 50$~ ?

[unique wind]

i do not im sorry

[molten lotus]

cloud 2 on sale