audio-tech

[weak rapids]

Bro i never noticed how ass my current headphones are

[dry stratus]

soundguys also ass

[unique wind]

lmaooo

negative treble

[weak rapids]

Yep lol

[dapper berry]

Amp is here, and yes, headphones definitely sound better, not just louder

[molten lotus]

Hi, just wondering if the Edifier R1280T's are any good for computer speakers for their price? All help appreciated.

[lean grove]

Yes

[hard cargo]

Hey guys, need some advice!
I'm looking for a wireless headset to game at my PC and PS5. Problem is, they are in different house divisions and I want a easy and seamless experience. I know that many wireless headphones now support Bluetooth+properitery receiver simulationesly (Like the Arctis Nova 7 & Pro), but using Bluetooth audio on my PC would make me loose features and get some audio delay.
Question is, are you guys aware of any decent wireless headphones that have multiple wireless system support? Ie, the ability to plug multiple receivers in multiple systems while using the same headset? Alternatively, do you guys have any other suggestion?
Thanks a lot for the help with this ridiculously first world problem!

[molten lotus]

pretty sure this doesn't exist

just use wired headphones

[dry stratus]

decent wireless that doesn't suck for latency already doesn't really exist .-.

all the good wireless have quite insane latency

[unique wind]

with over ear headphones you have to pick 2 of 3 conditions: audio quality, low latency, wireless

can’t have all 3 just yet

not with consumer audio gear anyway

[hard cargo]

I actually just found the solution to my problem.

More or less.

[molten lotus]

wires

[unique wind]

you can have all 3 with in ear monitors though

[hard cargo]

Apparently the VIRTUOSO RGB WIRELESS XT support aptx bluetooth codecs.

[molten lotus]

aptx has like

solid 200ms delay

[hard cargo]

40ms on this case.

[molten lotus]

heh

[unique wind]

aptx low latency?

[molten lotus]

lets see how that goes

[unique wind]

aptx LL sounds pretty bad

[molten lotus]

40ms on sbc low latency mode maybe

[unique wind]

aptx adaptive is nice though

[hard cargo]

With a good aptx receiver on the PS5

My problem would be solved I guess.

[molten lotus]

issue is

virtuoso rgb is fucking ass

[unique wind]

when you’re playing with a controller on a tv the delay of bluetooth headphones isn’t going to be the reason you die anyways

[molten lotus]

and aptx bluetooth has lots of delay

the 40ms is probably with low latency sbc

[hard cargo]

Precisely.

[molten lotus]

which you likely wouldn't be able to select from the ps5 interface

[hard cargo]

I don't play anything competitive on the PS5.

[molten lotus]

since lack of driver support

[unique wind]

not like you can flick to someone in 200ms with a controller

[molten lotus]

200ms is beyond competitive and casual, there will be noticeable lip sync issues

and low latency sbc is like

[unique wind]

that depends on the devices being used

[hard cargo]

Apparently the Avantree DG80 does the trick from the reviews I saw.

[molten lotus]

incredibly bad sounding lol

[unique wind]

most modern stuff will automate timing to keep audio and video in sync

or will let you adjust it yourself

[molten lotus]

not games

movies sure

or videos

[unique wind]

yeah but 150-200ms of audio delay isn’t going to make much of a difference when using a controller on a tv anyway

[molten lotus]

it will

[hard cargo]

Yeah, I don't notice any delay on my galaxy buds 2 while watching stuff on my phone. And to be honest I played with them Overwatch 2 the other day and couldn't sense any noticeable lag. And those buds are a piece of shit.

[molten lotus]

its like 1/4 of a second

you will absolutely notice it

with every gunshot and with every scene with lip synch to audio

[unique wind]

it’s not going to be the reason you die

[molten lotus]

sure

you can live with it

[unique wind]

it would on a pc but reaction times are heavily bottlenecked on a controller

[hard cargo]

Strange you say that, I keep finding people that use the aptx trick saying it does wonders, still you insist it won't.

[molten lotus]

its going be really bad though

[unique wind]

i use aptx adaptive for my pc

the thing is there’s like 5 versions of aptx

[hard cargo]

And, how's your experience?

[unique wind]

all are very different

[molten lotus]

virtuoso doesn't have aptx adaptive

and the 40ms is likely with sbc low latency mode

or gaming mode

[unique wind]

i love aptx adaptive

[molten lotus]

which has incredibly low data for the sake of low latency

which sounds terrible

[unique wind]

but i wouldn’t use any other version for competitive gaming

they’re too slow

[molten lotus]

which is bad considering virtuoso is already terribly bad

[hard cargo]

They have aptX and aptX HD. Not low latency.

Just checked.

[unique wind]

aptx and aptx hd aren’t really any faster than the standard bluetooth protocol

[molten lotus]

huh it has ldac?

nope

[hard cargo]

HD is even worst lol.

I could live with 70ms if that's real.

[molten lotus]

that is only the bluetooth codec delay

why hasn't bluetooth been abolished yet its so bad

[hard cargo]

That's the SE, not the XT. SE doesn't even have BT btw.

[molten lotus]

apologies in that case

[hard cargo]

But it's a mess anyway, I guess for casual single player (which is what I use the PS5 for) would work.

I need to test with some cheap ass BT headphones like the buds.

Before making any purchase.

[molten lotus]

honestly

virtuoso is like

trash

regularly

even if you have 0ms latency

I absolutely do not recommend it

you are better off with airpods and shit

[hard cargo]

I don't care about Virtuoso or not, I just want a decent wireless experience and those happen to have aptx.

[hard cargo]

Cmon, that's too far, hehe.

They cost more than they are worth.

[molten lotus]

airpod pros are unironically good

[hard cargo]

Thats for sure.

[molten lotus]

compared to wired sure

compared to wireless they are priced fine

[hard cargo]

I'm just hating to have to connect and disconnect my headphones every time I play PS.

And having that fucking 3.5mm wire in the middle of the controller.

[molten lotus]

pretty sure that will happen with bluetooth

[hard cargo]

Perhaps I should just buy those cheap ass PS wireless headphones and have a pair in the living room and another on the PC.

[molten lotus]

id say to consider something like qudelix 5k or esm 100 mk2 but I don't know how the latency for it is

[hard cargo]

Reviews weren't terrible.

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/sony-playstation-pulse-3d-wireless-headset

[molten lotus]

whathifi is a complete meme

i haven't seen them rate a headphone badly yet

[hard cargo]

Check a decent source then please, what would you suggest?

[molten lotus]

ask here

[hard cargo]

As a good review source.

[molten lotus]

just ask here

there are no affiliate links

no money to be made

reviewers shill literally everything

only decent reviewer I am fond of is crinacle and that is only for in ears

he hasn't been taking good care of his headphone list

also that headphone is not good at all

buy it if you want but beware of my warnings

it has tons of bass fall off and barely takes the diffuse field into account in the treble region

[unique wind]

how many times do i have to tell you to diffuse deez

[dry stratus]

tfw total delay between it happening and you responding to it happening is sometimes seconds

audio, display, keyboard input, etc

[dry stratus]

drop them here, I'll do it

[weak rapids]

ive got a pair of dt 990 pros that im testing rn

sadly only had the 250 ohms available and not 80 and im barley able to drive em

[molten lotus]

250ohms is better

why did you get the 990 over the 880

[weak rapids]

the 880 isnt in the stores I was looking at that accepts a return on headphones since i would be testing first to see if I like it

but tbh, if i like the openness of it, im prob gonna return them anyways and get the hd600, 6xx or 58x

I would have to drive an hour and a half to Toronto or longer to Peterborough

[molten lotus]

just get hd560s

[weak rapids]

oh yeah that was another one I was thinking of, keep forgetting about them for some reason

[lean grove]

Sennheisers aren't really well known for their openness.

Haven't heard 560s, but the 6xx/600 definitely not.

[weak rapids]

speaking of, any decent closed back sennheisers? incase I want to escape the Beyer v curve lol

[primal fulcrum]

Not XtraBass series, so can't be good.

[molten lotus]

nope

[weak rapids]

damn that sucks, would you recommend Shure closed backs?

[molten lotus]

nope

[weak rapids]

damn

[molten lotus]

akg k361, k371

past that its emu teaks or second hand oppo pm3

or some focals

[weak rapids]

aight thx

[pallid pawn]

yo, probably a question u guys get a shitton, but im looking to upgrade my headphones

i'm currently rocking a pair of philips shp9500s, but they're gettin a lil old, and in particular, the headband is starting to go -- one of the plastic bits has already broken off lol

my budget's around ~300, and so far i'm looking at either senn hd 600, 560 S, or 599's

but i'm curious as to what your guys' picks would be for that price range

also worth mentioning: i have no audio setup, just pluggin my headphones straight into my mobo lol

[weak rapids]

i can def hear the like oomph in the high freq that people talk about in the 990s and 770s

[lean grove]

599's you can safely not worry about.

560s are a good budget option, and are tuned to be more consumer friendly, bit more V shaped tuning.
600's I think most people who go with those prefer them over the 560s.

[weak rapids]

oh lovely, my psa1+ just broke

this is the exact same area my old psa1 broke at

[devout plaza]

im at home for the next month and want to make my gaming smoother and my audio better

so i have three options
Soundblaster ge-7, with a mod mic Uni
Soundblaster AE-9, with mod mic uni (xlr adapter for the mod mic) and then a pod mic with a pre amp for any else
Schiit audio Modi and magni with a mod mic Usb

which would be the best out of these

i would get a Goxlr but it seems the TC Helicon just stopped supporting it, and the elgato wave doesnt seem to like IEMs which is annyoing as im looking at getting the Antlion kimura duos

[weak rapids]

holy shit the bass rolloff on the hd600s

[violet heron]

is that supposed to be a good comment or a bad one

[late sand]

got a bit of a weird audio question. i have a room, lets say 4 by 6m (roughly 13x20ft) that is used to play dnd. a rectangle gaming table is in the middle of the room, game master on one side, players on the others. need some sort of audio setup that will be perceptible but not overpower and drown out the speech.

so far only tried bluetooth speakers but depending on placement the sound they produce tends to kill the ears of whomever's closest. the best result so far was with placing the bluetooth speaker far away on the other side of the room away from the table and turning the volume up, but still want something better.

the room has a PC, ipads and laptops /w bluetooth and can also have a scarlett 2i2 if needed for some reason. bass not needed (neighbours wouldn't approve), sound quality not priority, any ideas? price range around 200-300

[lean grove]

when you put things too far away, they often become garbled and echoy because the speaker interacts with the room too much.
and when you put things too close, like you said it overpowers people. so ideally you want something far away and directive, kind acting more like an audio spotlight than a lamp.
so what you want, ideally, is some in ceiling speakers.

or you'd want some speakers that have a horn/waveguide

or you'd want a bunch of tiny speakers that are placed evenly in the room.

but that one is, i think, one of the worst options

[late sand]

thanks, i'll look into ceiling ones, they're probably what we need

[lean grove]

parts express is a good place to look

[limber bear]

so i'm thinking of getting the at2020 is good and should i get the usb or xlr version

also if xlr is better what xlr do yall suggest

[lean grove]

xlr offers more flexability in exchange for more cost and space and cabling

so, if you really dont care all that much, usb is fine

[limber bear]

i just want best mic quality as voice is really deep and my razer siren x sometimes struggles to pick it up

[modern blaze]

at2020 was very underwhelming for the price, imo

[limber bear]

do you have any better suggestion like 150 max

[modern blaze]

I had good results with the shure sm58

I am having WAY nicer overall results with the rode wireless go ii

[limber bear]

ok

[lean grove]

i'd get an elgato wave or somethin.
or a sm58 with an elgato xlr

[limber bear]

as said i'm looking for the best as i'm trying to upgrade

[lean grove]

a lot of the problems people have with microphones arent from a shitty mic, but shitty mic placement and shitty voice processing

so. get a boom arm, a sm58, and a wave xlr and you're covered

[limber bear]

ok

[lean grove]

and, really, you can get a half- decent interface and use OBS to do all the voice processing

for free

[limber bear]

thanks brother man yalls help is valuable

[lean grove]

someone said a no-no word

[limber bear]

also i have a boom arm

[modern blaze]

me, lol

[lean grove]

even better

[modern blaze]

I used a wind sock, boom arm, and id4 with every mic I tried

[limber bear]

so thats one cost down and i dont live far from a micro center

so go with the sm58

shoudl i get a pop filter

[modern blaze]

sm58 has one integrated. get a wind sock if you are in a windy spot

[limber bear]

ok

[modern blaze]

i.e. fan

[limber bear]

cool microcenter has one

[lean grove]

ive never needed a real pop filter. one of those foam covers is enough for me

[limber bear]

and i can get a refurbished wave xlr for 119

[modern blaze]

A lot of mics have pop filters integrated these days

[lean grove]

yeah but they're not perfect

[limber bear]

yea thats the one

[lean grove]

if you're right on top of the microphone and are gonna want professional stuff, eventually some plosives will come through without a proper pop filter

[modern blaze]

ya

[lean grove]

so if you are okay with anything less than perfect the integrated one is fine

[modern blaze]

but you don't need to go nuts and buy like a kaotica eyeball or something

[limber bear]

yea i'm thinking of doing some voice stuff

[lean grove]

actual pop filters are quite cheap.

[modern blaze]

ya, eyeball is more isolation than pop filter

[lean grove]

and im sure you can DIY something with some nylon stockings

[limber bear]

cool

[brazen pollen]

i need a new headset for gaming. I have no clue about audio at all.. any recommendations? Im currently running Arctis 7 Wireless.. Dont really like the sound though.

[lean grove]

Do you know what you want? Budget? Wires? External vs integrated mic?

[brazen pollen]

Wireless is nice but i guess the sound quality will suffer from that. As well as the mic.. i like the all in one things. But i am open to suggestions if the sound quality increases drastically. At this point like 250€

[daring pagoda]

pc37x

around 100 or so

the farthest you should go in terms of headsets

[brazen pollen]

I would consider Headphone and external mic.. any suggestions on that?

[daring pagoda]

he400se + ifi zen dac air/hd560s/dt880 + mpm-1000u

[edgy pond]

hi hi

i wanted to ask for some help in regards to my audio stuff

[tough lava]

So do!

I read in the other channel you want an amp

From what to what using what cables and what setup

[edgy pond]

its going from my pc to my goxlr to my fostex headphones, i can tell they need more power cause they obviously need me to crank my volumes ridiculously loud for them to really get that oomph yaknow?

trying to figure out what i need, cause i dont need an audio interface, least i dont think i do, the goxlr does that fine

i just need more power i think

my headphones, more specifically, are the T60RP's from fostex

[tough lava]

https://www.headphonesty.com/2019/04/headphone-impedance-demystified/

T60RP is 50 ohms

How do you have it plugged in?

It should be fine

[dry stratus]

tfw impedance isn't what matters most

idk about T60 tho, I only remember T50rp being hyper inefficient

The days of people going mad over the argon mods

[tender frost]

The T60 does inherit the whole "needs as much power as possible" from the family lol

[dry stratus]

pain

[inland bobcat]

Secret treaties

[olive cliff]

Hi, I'm looking for a new pair of true wireless earbuds. My current Samsung Galaxy Buds+ have fallen apart and now sound really bad.
I don't mind spending extra money for something nice.

So far I'm choosing between:
Samsung Galaxy Buds2 Pro
Google Pixel Buds Pro
Sony WF1000-XM4

Could you please help me choose or give me any other tips?

I would like to have transparency mode and ANC, I'm mostly looking for a flat frequency response, but don't mind a bit of extra bass, battery life doesn't concern me as much

[lean grove]

On paper they only need about 50 mW.

[tender frost]

Unfortunately that does not translate to real life

[lean grove]

It gets you close enough. Without wanting to turn it to 100% and a logarithmic volume pot, anything about 500mW and up should be sufficient.

And that 50mW is being generous with a 110db target.

Normal listening is gonna be around 1-2 mW

[tender frost]

On paper or do you have experience with it?

Because those that have experience with it recommend 1W+ capable amps to drive the things

[lean grove]

I have headphones with similar impedances and similar efficiencies. And also headphones that are a lot less efficient too powering them with a lot less than 1 watt

Power is power. And unless they're lying about manufacturing specs, the paper calculations are gonna be accurate.

[dry stratus]

T50rp at least, just like HE6 was a mess, specs sheet was so off

[weak rapids]

fuck I hate this coiled cable on the 990 pros lol

[dry stratus]

why 990

[weak rapids]

well i hate the coiled cables in general

[white gate]

Bear in mind that if you listen at 85dB, putting 85dB into a headphone calculator is NOT going to give you an accurate value for how much power you need

when you consider a few things it starts to make sense why a lot of amps don't drive them 'properly' even if their max power spec would indicate they should.

1. Crest Factor.
   Music isn't constant. You might be listening at 85dB RMS, but you're gonna have transients and momentary parts of the signal substantially higher than that

2. Headphone sensitivity is tested at 1khz, which is close to where our hearing is most sensitive.
   Look at the FFT for almost any song and the bass content will be 10-30dB higher. So even if you're listening at 85dB from 1khz-3khz, you still need to accomodate for power to drive the bass content which is again substantially higher

3. Headphone specs aren't always accurate. In the instance of HE6 and Susvara, they regularly measure closer to 75dB/mW rather than the 83dB/mW spec.

4. An amp might be able to supply 4W at max. But doesn't mean it can output 1W cleanly. This doesn't generally apply to the really feedback heavy stuff, but there are a LOT of amps which will have significantly higher distortion (of various types) at even just a quarter or half their max output. So if you need only 1W, doesn't mean a 6W amp is guaranteed to be fine. The power spec is basically just when the amp becomes unusable, it doesn't guarantee it performs its best upto that point.

Consider all of the above, and realistically if you listen at 85dB RMS around 1khz you probably want to put 110dB into the calculator to get a realistic value.
Benchmark audio actually has some info on something similar to this about why distortion needs to be lower than expected to be guaranteed to be inaudible ( https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/interpreting-thd-measurements-think-db-not-percent )

If we want to listen at 80 dB, peaks will reach about 100 dB. At this playback level, the distortion must be lower than -100 dB (0.001%) to absolutely guarantee that it is inaudible.

If we want to listen at 90 dB, peaks will reach about 110 dB. At this playback level, the distortion must be lower than -110 dB (0.0003%) to absolutely guarantee that it is inaudible.```

Example FFT of a random track, in this instance 40/50hz region is a good 15-20dB louder than the 1khz area where sensitivity is tested

Example distortion vs output level graph for two amps showing that even if one amp is more powerful than another, it may handle difficult loads/situations poorer.

One of the amps here is technically capable of 4.5W before hitting 1% THD, but is still distorting to 0.05% THD (-66dB) at 2W, less than half the max output

So for a Susvara, if we plug the actual sensitivity value in and use that 110dB level to ensure that crest factor, bass content etc etc is accomodated for. We'd need to ensure the amp can cleanly output 2.5W. Which even though one amp is capable of 4.5W, it actually wouldn't be able to do 2.5W very well

Not a super simple answer, but yeah, TLDR is that putting 85dB into a calculator will give you a far lower value than you're actually likely to need. Not helped by the fact that power scales logarithmically. (For people who listen at >90dB, power requirements could actually be a real challenge in some instances)

[analog raptor]

Idk if this will help anyone (I'll post on the forum at some point) but I wanted to share! I have had issues with my audio setup for a while and never worked on a solution (busy with general life stuff) The issue had to do with EMI transmission from my PC to my equipment and I couldn't eliminate it. The Constant humming, albeit minor and abkebtonbe corrected in post had finally become annoying enough to do something about it. Being invested in my equipment and having a general distaste for USB audio, I finally came up with a solution. Apologies if you cannot read cursive. I had forgotten about SPDIF/ Optical and learned that it's both immune to EMI and it's lossless. adapters aren't terribly expensive when compared to swapping all of my hardware (total cost will be $60 USD in adapters) either. In theory, this should protect against EMI and I can keep using my current equipment

[white gate]

What you're describing is called a ground loop.
Optical is indeed going to fix it as it is not an electrical connection. However optical does have drawbacks such as typically having very high levels of jitter.

Usually the best solution to ground loops is to ensure everything in the system is on one outlet/extension cord. Ground loops are caused by as the name implies a long loop in the ground connection which can be addressed by ensuring you're on a single outlet

Other solutions are things like ground loop isolators. There are some for USB which will fix the issue too

[analog raptor]

It can be a ground hum loop, but it's not always the case. It's difficult to 100% determine when you live in an older apartment with multiple occupants (due to poor grounding) but I have absolutely taken all of the steps against this issue going as far as to plug my PC into a different room on sepwrate circuitry and still being able to emit EMI from my PC. Notably, my PC went through a major HW change and it still emits the same signal.

[white gate]

Depends what it sounds like.

If it's 50hz/60hz hum there's a 99% chance it's a ground loop.

If it's other random noise it's something else

[lean grove]

20db of headroom is usually what I account for in the headphone power calculator. But headphones needing watts of power is pretty rare. Almost all of the consideration of good power vs power becomes a non-issue when youre considering normal efficiency headphones.

And the initial talk about power came from the t60s.

[white gate]

Oh yeah needing watts of power is 100% an edge case. I've got a video coming on this atm.
There's only a few headphones where you'd ever need more than 2W

But the issue is primarily that even if you only need 1W, an amp being able to output 2W doesn't mean it can do 1W well

But yeah, for 95% of headphones people VASTLY overestimate how much they need

[white gate]

Yeah sorry the susvara mention was cause I was copying the post from a previous discussion in the headphones.com server

[lean grove]

I figured. You typed it too quick and it's too well written to not be a copy paste.

[dry stratus]

what even is the hardest to drive non estat 🤔

there is harder than HE6 right?

HE6 just being one of the best known

[lean grove]

Amir on asr measured the he6se to be mildly less efficient than the he6

[dry stratus]

they need to release a proper he6 v2

not that joke

[white gate]

Depends

Modhouse Tungsten probably, but final version is going to be easier to drive.
Other than that, Raal likely

[weak rapids]

oh god

the Naris are horrible... i never noticed lol

[leaden cloak]

the razer headphones?

[weak rapids]

yeah

dear god

[leaden cloak]

now you know the truth

[weak rapids]

ikr like holy

still dont like the trebel boost on the 990 pro tho

might get a 560 s to try

[leaden cloak]

ive never tried razer headphones but based off what i hear about them, i dont want to

[weak rapids]

They fucking suck

They sounded great when all i tried before was worse

[leaden cloak]

welcome to the audio life

makes you hate the headphones you once loved

[weak rapids]

What have i done lol

I cursed myself

[leaden cloak]

so have i

[weak rapids]

Its not too late

[leaden cloak]

i cant look at a pair of beats the same again

[weak rapids]

I havent had them for a day yet

I can return to the dark side

Of non audiophile

[leaden cloak]

if you stop using whatever headphones you have for like a week you'll get used to the naris again

[weak rapids]

Honestly, i think audiophile gear for me would be more like, have my headphones broke? Do i not despise cables anymore? Sure ill go for some audiophile

[unique wind]

👽

[weak rapids]

But the Naris are SO bad that i can get another “gaming” headset like G pro X wireless or cloud 2 wireless and it would be a huge upgrade lol

[leaden cloak]

well what i did was get a few good products and stick with them

[weak rapids]

I absolutely HATE this coiled cable

[unique wind]

i’m an in ear monitor fan

[weak rapids]

Just give me a 10ft non coiled cable

The coil is horrendus

[unique wind]

because with these i’m able to get normie levels of bass but still have treble clarity

[leaden cloak]

what headphones are there

[weak rapids]

the ones i was testing are the DT 990 Pros

[leaden cloak]

Beyerdynamic has the funky cables yeah

[weak rapids]

i have to put these in their box fast, its not even the sound quality that keeps driving me to them, its the comfort lol

i just keep looking at them

i want to try the hd 560 s but a problem is the place I got these from dont have them, and Amazon themselves arent currently selling them its a 3rd party so return policy might not be as good

but like yeah

[leaden cloak]

those have a pretty similar frequency to be honest

[weak rapids]

I think in general the razer ones have a muddy bass

while the 990 is more clean

[dry stratus]

990 also just 880 but worse

[weak rapids]

I want to try the hd 560 s and akg k371 but I have no access to those with returns

[molten lotus]

Hello
I need help i want to buy a headset for gaming and for wearing while at work
I want it to be Bluetooth tbh and have good battery life while still sounding great (also i dont want it to look "gamery"

[modern blaze]

I can only give feedback on the Sonys, since I own them. ANC in them is pretty good, not as good as the WH1000-XM4. Mic is average at best. A bit heavy-handed on the bass, but not in a bad way imo. I prefer the WH1000-XM4's across the board, but they are over-ear not buds. I use the WF1000-XM4's as my daily driver mobile buds.

[olive cliff]

Thank you biddle

[modern blaze]

Not a ton of info, but it's what I've got

[molten lotus]

go for buds 2 pro

none of the other options are not as good

[civic holly]

Wiring and new gear arrived for my new hybrid studio. Gonna take some effort trying to cable manage this spaghetti 😂

[molten lotus]

jesus christ

good luck with that

you will need it

[nova frost]

https://www.techpowerup.com/305332/creative-announces-the-outlier-free-pro-bone-conduction-headphones

[nova frost]

I bet that's what you deal with when you go to a concert

red hot chilli peppers at the toronto stadium had plenty of speakers going so it was loud enough

[civic holly]

Live gigs are a whole other story. These days they are mostly digitally mixed (including fx). Doing this stuff analog, live, every day without problems is a nightmare. Multiple duplicate fx racks, mixers, speakers etc. Not to mention the big multi cables between everything that weigh an absolute tonne. A lot easier to connect though, as the shows usually don't require much flexibility. Just plug in all cables (think green to green, red to red type of stuff), and get to mixing.

[nova frost]

yup ^^

[civic holly]

Oh, and did I mention the weight? Analog stuff is heavy as shit. My back loves me after switching to digital for live gigs. Still love analog in the studio though

Oh, and did I mention all this cabling is just for a 20 channel mixing desk?

[weak rapids]

More pics of where 2 of have rode arms have broken

[dry stratus]

Am I the only one who tries to avoid plastic as much as possible because just too cheap quality

[abstract sinew]

Someone should tell Linus to upgrade his SVS to Velodyne.

They make the most accurate subs in the world.

I don't get why he would choose svs over velodyne aside from looks

[dry stratus]

because his wife doesn't allow him to go function over form

that's what he says at least

[abstract sinew]

I talked to him a bit on the forum years ago and told him about magnepan, velodyne, and Martin Logan, but he never did anything with those brands :/

He responded

Thanking me for telling him or something. Idr

[dry stratus]

just tell him in person

[abstract sinew]

I'm inventing new technology independently right now, also making my own robot arm with ac servos and designing all my own parts and software for it, doing stuff for my construction business, and doing online store stuff ):

[abstract sinew]

Idk how to fit meeting him in

Gotta go to canada

[dry stratus]

just go on vacation to him

[abstract sinew]

I'm in Michigan

I planned on it years ago

But idk now

Hmmm

[dry stratus]

look across the entire country for his place

[abstract sinew]

Wonder how much it costs and if Canada would let me into the country without being vacinatedm

[dry stratus]

why are you not?

[abstract sinew]

They let people in who aren't vaccinated? I saw what they did to the truckers so.

Because I don't need it.

I'm not 60+ and I don't have aids.

[dry stratus]

are you cringe anti vax?

[abstract sinew]

I'm healthy

I'm not at risk from covid

It's for people who are at risk, it's experimental. It just got pushed through by governments for emergency use. It's still experimental.

You test it, I don't need to.

I'm more likely to die of cancer, many times more likely.

Like I said, no aids, and I'm not 60+

[abstract sinew]

Healthy people do not benefit from taking the vaccine. Science > politics

Politics doesn't Trump science.

[dry stratus]

what it looks like when someone forgets you aren't just getting a vaccine for yourself but so you don't spread it to those at risk:

[abstract sinew]

It doesn't do that. That's politics, not science.

6ft is politics, not science.

It isn't effective at stopping transmission and I don't even think they claim it does.

[dry stratus]

guaranteed karen facebook group member:

[abstract sinew]

You're making stuff up.

You're anti science

That's politics.

Not science.

[dry stratus]

look into it for like a few hours

because yes, part of what they say is exaggerated, but no it ain't just politics sir anti-vax

[abstract sinew]

Yes I've heard politics and government officials saying a bunch of make up political stuff like what it seems like you believe.

It is

Omg

It's categorically false that the vaccine is effective at stopping transmission.

Even claims the pharma companies made have recently been shown to be false, like the RNA half life, and potentially replication.

[dry stratus]

helps reduce the risk, doesn't stop it, but ehh

probably won't be able to hold a conversation with a karen FB group member

[abstract sinew]

To such a minor degree that it's insignificant.

There is far more effective, easier, and less invasive methods you can use to stop transmission.

Like vitamins

[dry stratus]

shutting down the entire economy

[abstract sinew]

No

Vitamins

Simply take vitamins and go be in the sun.

Excercise

Keep your immune system up and stay healthy, so you don't spread it.

The vaccine triggers the immune system, it doesn't directly kill covid.

[dry stratus]

or just shut yourself in doors 24/7

[abstract sinew]

That's bad, people need stuff to keep moving.

[dry stratus]

ofc, vaccine is mostly meant to prepare your body to be able to do more against the real thing

[abstract sinew]

You put yourself at greater risk of a poor health outcome by staying inside.

[dry stratus]

someone in some YT comments "they are unnatural, so it is bad"
my response: "having a roof above your head or sleeping on a bed is too, go ahead sleep in the bushes"

[abstract sinew]

Have you heard about the military data and the whistle blowers in the military?

They have the best data on covid and the covid vaccine.

The u.s. military monitors everyone closely. Healthy people, closely monitors, with a baseline pre-covid, and baseline post covid and pre vaccine, and lastly.

A baseline post covid and post vaccine

[dry stratus]

not from the US, so Idk crap about anything going on there

[abstract sinew]

The neurological systems and miscarriages are not post covid pre vaccine.

They are post vaccine.

[abstract sinew]

The best medical data on earth for the vaccine is the u.s. military data.

Closely and regularly monitored healthy people, wide sample, with baselines.

[dry stratus]

"how do you monitor healthy people when your entire country is unhealthy"

[abstract sinew]

There was people in the military claiming whistle blower status over the effects of the vaccine on the u.s. military because it was weakening the ability of the u.s. to defend itself.

Over a 10x increase in neurological disease post vaccine among our airforce pilots.

1000%+

300% increase in miscairages

And more

[dry stratus]

should honestly move this to DM, not really the server for

[abstract sinew]

Well quit mocking people for following the science instead of politics

I'm a scientist and engineer.

Anyways, ya idk if they'll let me in to Canada though.

[dry stratus]

I don't mock people for following science, I mock people for talking like my grandparents who think this is 1940 and everything is "fake news"

[abstract sinew]

Because I'm not vaccinated.

[dry stratus]

I just took the bare minimum to be allowed into places again

reason?, because I literally always show cold symptoms, so if I don't they will just never allow me anywhere

[abstract sinew]

I'm not risking it. I have very differentiated genetics.

I'm protecting my physical and brain health by not taking the vaccine.

[dry stratus]

chronic cold for like 8 years now, lel

[abstract sinew]

My doctor wanted to try me on Adderall for my ADD and I told him no because the dexmethylnphediate isn't activating any markers for schizophrenia.

[dry stratus]

becomes kinda hard once you have to speak in person with like hundreds of people every year just to continue living, lel

[abstract sinew]

Anti-biotics might cause cancer

Human bodies are complicated

[dry stratus]

I mean, everything does to a certain degree

[abstract sinew]

Best not to mess with it for political reasons.

Oh I can't say the m word

[dry stratus]

anyway, let's stop continuing this in this server, if you want to continue feel free to message in DM

[abstract sinew]

I can say dexmethlynphediate but not the 4 letters to make the other thing.

Ya back to audio.

[molten lotus]

This is audio channel...

[dry stratus]

just buy me an HE6

[abstract sinew]

I was talking audio until he got political.

[molten lotus]

Buy it for me and i will buy u 2

[abstract sinew]

Scroll up.

[dry stratus]

shifted to it because of both

[dry stratus]

first buy me 2, then I'll buy you 1

[molten lotus]

Anyway i wanted to ask about dis

[dry stratus]

what is "dis"

[molten lotus]

.

[dry stratus]

well, wireless, good for gaming, and sounds good is non existent

[molten lotus]

U sure?

[dry stratus]

the good wireless are all high latency

and all wireless low latency are bass boosted pieces of crap

good wireless headphones for example, N700NC and the quiet comforts are some

but their latency is in the hundreds

[molten lotus]

Bt 5.2 is around 5ms latency tho...

[dry stratus]

best case yes

usually with all the shit going on around you, bluetooth latency is high and all the low latency uses dongles

but if you just want something usable, just grab AKG N700NC(M2) or QC45 or smth

ofc not on par with wired still
but they are pretty good wireless for the price

[haughty moon]

N700nc m2 are really good, worth it of you can find them

Cups are a bit small tho

[brazen pollen]

does someone here has exp with TYGR 300 R and probably DT 990 or DT 770 for comparison? I am looking for headphones primary for gaming, but suitable for stuff like music.

[daring pagoda]

if you want a beyerdynamic stick with the dt880

[dry stratus]

iirc tygr 300R is mostly just a rebranded DT880

[daring pagoda]

if not, get a hd560s

[dry stratus]

tho some people have said tygr 300R is better than 880 by a little bit

haven't heard it myself tho

[molten lotus]

@dry stratus wbu sennheiser momentums 4

[dry stratus]

alright ig, haven't heard it myself
but from what I've seen it is atleast bare minimum alright

don't think it is too good tho

at least better than Bose NC700 or XM5

I would probably just get QC45 if enough budget, otherwise N700NCM2

[dry stratus]

I mean, could also just grab IEMs and do it like the pros

[brazen pollen]

naa i do prefer headphones... but IEMs are not that exspensive are they? Could at least try a pair i guess

[dry stratus]

the good IEMs start at much cheaper pricing than with headphones, yes

[brazen pollen]

can you recommend a pair? ive read some stuff about headphones but not iems jet.

[dry stratus]

you do it@unique wind

[summer flicker]

@molten lotus something being good or bad for gaming is generally a myth. something is either good or bad.

there's nothing super inherent about a headphone that will make you play better

[dry stratus]

insane latency for the most part

[summer flicker]

yeah latency is obviously going to be a huge issue

[dry stratus]

if you want to go professional, just do IEMs and your gaming sponsor over it

[summer flicker]

that's why you plug in

[dry stratus]

"but the future"

[summer flicker]

the future is your battery on your wireless headphones goes to shit and you plug in

lol

[dry stratus]

probs

[summer flicker]

it's inevitable. batteries die over time

only solution is buying another pair

or just plugging in

[dry stratus]

I mean, they are starting to do batteries that last longer at least

but probably still going to be something you'll want to replace with similar timing to TVs

like, 4-6 years

most things kinda start to drop off after about 4-6 years

phones that just start crapping themselves, TVs that no longer are as bright, laptops with batteries that last for like 40 minutes, etc

[summer flicker]

I mean headphones have no real reason to just die on you like that. headphones twenty years ago are as good as they are now if you get the right pairs

it's not like a phone right

where battery is absolutely necessary

but yeah 4 to 6 years is probably the mileage ull get out of a bt headphone

[dry stratus]

headphones are getting worse on average

[molten lotus]

@summer flicker i just mean that i can game with it like it has surround sound and can be paired with a pc no problem

[dry stratus]

more bloated bass, more compressed, etc

[summer flicker]

well, forst of all virtual surround sound is a total sham

[molten lotus]

Bt 5.3 isnt that bad though from what i read

[dry stratus]

virtual surround is innaccurate and all headphones can have it if you have to have it

[summer flicker]

I can't think of a single Bluetooth headphone with acceptable sound quality and latency

I would advise you stick to wired for gaming

[dry stratus]

if you ask me, I'll take in ears with clips
and just standard AAA batteries inside of the clips

[molten lotus]

What about wireless with a dongle?

[summer flicker]

you can do that if you like, but you'll get latency.

[dry stratus]

In ears without clips are weird anyway

don't stay in like ever

[molten lotus]

In ears arent good for me
Never had a comfortable one

Prefer over

[dry stratus]

my ears too tiny for them

[summer flicker]

is wireless absolutely necessary?

because if it isn't then you should reconsider

[molten lotus]

I just wanna use it at work

And when i get back home game using it

[summer flicker]

so you can get a Bluetooth headphone, use it st work, and game with it plugged in

[molten lotus]

Ye
I think thats fine

[dry stratus]

I can only think of 2/3 every time
low latency + bt but bad sound
good sound + bt but high latency
low latency + good sound but wired

[molten lotus]

Wdym by wired?

[dry stratus]

literally

wired

[summer flicker]

yeah then get n700nc m2

use the cord while ur gaming

[molten lotus]

How about audeze maxwell?

[summer flicker]

I wouldn't know I don't have any personal experience with that. audeze Penrose and mobius where alright. not better than n700nc m2 though

[molten lotus]

Ok thanks

[summer flicker]

np

[dry stratus]

I wouldn't take anything other than N700NCM2 or Bose QC45 if ANC matters enough

Maybe Focal bathys in some cases, haven't heard it tho

[summer flicker]

shits expensive for what it is

[modern blaze]

Been very happy with my fiio fd5's

thanks again whoever it was that suggested them, I forget who it was 🙂

[dry stratus]

in most cases I would cap out on N700NCM2/QC45 for wireless, either for ANC or portable sound quality

[molten lotus]

why do dac's use printer usb? like why does nothing use usbc?

[modern blaze]

I assume you mean usb type b? Some do use usb c.

[molten lotus]

not many all the "good" dac's use type b

that being said I do have a usb b to c for my jds

I am thinking of upgrading eventually to a Zen Stack but first I'm going to buy arya or edition xs

[modern blaze]

Audient id4 uses usb-c.
Fiio e10k-tc uses usb-c.

[molten lotus]

I had an issued with Tybe B to type A causing static, (multiple cables) this went away when I aquired a B to C cable

[molten lotus]

are either of those better than the Zen?

[modern blaze]

I avoid the audio holy war, because everyone has a different opinion and they will back up that opinion with vigor ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I can say that I have had zero issues or complaints with my audient id4 mk2. End of the day, it all depends on your needs, budget, and expectations.

[molten lotus]

maybe if I tell you what I value in audio. Resolution and sound stage. I want to hear the little things and I want a broad sound stage. I almost feel that the FiiO K3 is better at sound stage than my JDS Atom DAC. But the FiiO is currently living in my car so I can listen to music from my phone on my car stereo

and I can't power the Atom DAC in my car

[modern blaze]

You'll have better luck asking other folks in here, once they are awake/available 🙂

[molten lotus]

it's going to be more than a year before I upgrade anyways

[modern blaze]

My ears are damaged enough from too many concerts in my youth that I largely can't tell the difference between various formats, unless it is a ridiculous comparison (i.e. flac vs 96kbps mp3)

[molten lotus]

I always found concerts to sound better with earplugs in. Even just the cheap foam ones

[modern blaze]

By the time anyone suggested that, I had been to more than a dozen, usually in the first 5-10 rows :p

[molten lotus]

i've always had issues with high frequency sounds. and the volume is too much for me

[modern blaze]

So for me, it's delightfully simple. "Does it sound good?" If yes, "Can it reasonably sound better to me?". If no, "What do I buy instead?". I don't consider intricacies like "vibrant", "sound stage", "energetic", etc 😄

[modern blaze]

Ya, I can see that for sure. Green Day was really, really loud. Worst about that was REO Speedwagon for sure, their shit was NOT tuned properly, treble was crazy

[molten lotus]

best tuned concert I've been to was (outside of Carmina Burana in the Heidelberg schloss) was Chicago

i guess "rock concert" would be a better way to put that

Bruce Springsteen was pretty well tuned.

Bush was a bit too treble and waaaay too loud for the venue

[modern kayak]

Hello

I wanted to ask if this is a good soundbar

https://www.samsung.com/fi/audio-devices/soundbar/q700b-black-hw-q710b-xe/

Its on a site in finland on sale for 400euros

[molten lotus]

nope

[weak rapids]

Please never come to our country

[fervent swan]

I’m looking for a pair of headphones between 50 to 80 dollars, anything under the budget would be even better. I would love it to have anc. My only experience with headphones are the hyper x ones and my friends Bose qc35ii. I want the headphones for daily use including watching music and videos. Used pairs are fine with me too.

[modern kayak]

idk much about budgets but out of my own curiosity I just wanna confirm : U want headphones or a headset?

[fervent swan]

Headphones

[modern kayak]

Under 80$, ANC. damn Im clueless ;D

[fervent swan]

It’s fine if the pairs are used

[modern kayak]

U could check how much used Sony WH-1000XM3 go for in your markets

[fervent swan]

Ok

[lunar jackal]

Just tried out the sennheiser HD450BT wasn't a fan

[dry stratus]

sennheiser + closed back = ew

[lunar jackal]

I need a set of closed back headphones soon

[dry stratus]

k361 be like

[unique wind]

akg k371 moment

i’ve never heard it myself but its FR looks the best

[lunar jackal]

I'll spend up to $300 and I'd like them to use 2.5mm balanced or have the capability to

[dry stratus]

after market cable in basically all cases

[lunar jackal]

These are for work so I shouldn't spend too much more than that

[lunar jackal]

I have an aftermarket cable for my HE400SEs, just meaning the new phones either have to have that cable or be able to use an aftermarket cable because not all can swap cables

[weak rapids]

To me it looks small and uncomfortable to wear for extended periods of time, it looks like its meant to be a pair used with your phone when walking tbh

[unique wind]

i dunno

[dry stratus]

target audience is similar to DT770 iirc

home studio stuff

[unique wind]

it looks like it’d be comfortable so long as the pads can clamp on your head shape and your ears fit

[weak rapids]

Sennheiser could control the entire market if they just made good closed backs lol

[dry stratus]

sadly they aren't really too good at making audio products in most cases

their closed backs suck, and their open backs mostly just have a single good trait about them

[weak rapids]

Likewise Beyerdynamic could have a grasp on the market if they calmed down on the Trebel

[dry stratus]

if they didn't make tinnitus simulator

or in some cases, a headphone that literally gives people hearing damage

[weak rapids]

Like I loved how comfy and clear sounding the dt 990 pro was, but damn that trebel boost

It was deafening piercing lol

[dry stratus]

try the HD820, aka the biggest joke of techtubers

[weak rapids]

Especially with the syllables

[dry stratus]

all these people calling HD820 a closed back HD800, but it isn't even close

[weak rapids]

I want to try the hd560 s and k371 but the only store in the area that returns opened headphones have neither

[unique wind]

sennheiser is extraordinarily overrated in my opinion

oh wow the hd 6xx has nothing offensive about its tonality

incredible

hd 6xx owners gaslighting themselves into believing that they don’t care if the driver touches their ear because the pads aren’t deep enough

intimacyTM

[weak rapids]

Altho the long af Sennheiser cables without a coil is great

[dry stratus]

HD800 has soundstage and detail (even if their soundstage isn't good, its just wide)
HD6x0 has pleasing midrange (even if again, not exactly good quality wise)

that's bout it

[unique wind]

their best headphones are the hd560s and hd600 in my opinion

[dry stratus]

their best headphone is HD820
~techtubers

[weak rapids]

I found the dt990 pro good for music and vids and such, but for games and even discord the treble boost was too much

[unique wind]

expensive = good

[weak rapids]

Both of those are the Sennheisers I want to try lol

[unique wind]

[weak rapids]

I could get the 560s off of amazon but its from a 3rd party seller so the return would be difficult

[dry stratus]

just buy a HE6

[unique wind]

@dry stratus are there any open back headphones with elevated bass but normal mid/treble tuning?

[weak rapids]

especially considering the seller doesnt allow returns

[unique wind]

i basically want true harman instead of linear bass

but open back

[dry stratus]

no idea, I try to avoid looking at bass

[weak rapids]

Sennheiser be like “bass? Whats that?”

[dry stratus]

just the sight of bass makes me sick

[unique wind]

that’s true for most audiophile headphones

[weak rapids]

Stay clear of the Razer Naris lol

[unique wind]

almost all of the recommended models are open back headphones with subbass roll off

[dry stratus]

bass is worst invention

they should've just skipped on the idea of adding bass to speakers and headphones

[unique wind]

like the edition xs gets praised for having present bass despite having roll off

because the baseline is to have no subbass

[dry stratus]

just start the FR at 500hz

[unique wind]

that’d sound awful

[dry stratus]

yes, but at least no more bloat

[weak rapids]

Reminder to beware of rode arms

[molten lotus]

what how

[unique wind]

wym what how

[molten lotus]

its linear bass

it has like

[unique wind]

until it rolls off yes

[molten lotus]

1dB fall off

there is no roll off

[unique wind]

it’s -5db at 20hz

[molten lotus]

no it isn't

unless you are looking at rtings graphs it isn't

[unique wind]

does rtings use a different bass target than everyone else

[molten lotus]

it uses compensated graphs

[dry stratus]

they've got raw

[unique wind]

i bet edition xs with a harman bass shelf would be nice though

[molten lotus]

raw has clear measurement issues

go online and check for graphs

[unique wind]

amir probably has the shelf config

[molten lotus]

rtings is the only one that shows bass fall off on xs

amir doesn't seal headphones there is no surprise his measurements are off

every single headphone he measures has like 5-10dB bass roll off

[unique wind]

gotta duct tape them on your head

[dry stratus]

I mean, he is a believer of sound demos isn't he?

[molten lotus]

he is a measurement worshipper

[unique wind]

i find the upper treble on he400se very harsh at higher volumes

[molten lotus]

yet does measurements wrong

[unique wind]

i wonder if i’d feel the same about XS

since they measure FR similarly

[molten lotus]

who knows

your head isn't a measurement rig so no way to tell for sure

you might also be subconsciously increasing 400se's volume above normal because of the lack of bass it has

[unique wind]

yeah it has to be played loud to be enjoyable at all

[dry stratus]

have someone spit in your own ears instead, the most realistic disgusting asmr

[unique wind]

almost no bass at medium volumes

[molten lotus]

eq it if you dislike it so much

add some low shelf filter with apo

[unique wind]

i did when i used it but i still found the upper treble annoying

[dry stratus]

or just buy something good directly

[molten lotus]

400se is very good at what it does

issue is it sucks at everything it doesn't do good

[dry stratus]

Michael going to own an HE1 in 2024

[unique wind]

i’m saving up for a macbook

i’m the iem man anyway

[dry stratus]

I am waiting for surface laptop studio 2

[unique wind]

i can’t get iem subbass with any open back headphones

and the music i like is lifeless without present subbass

or downright harsh

because most rap has very treble boosted vocals to help them sit on top of the boosted bass

[dry stratus]

you listen to only dubstep or smth?

[unique wind]

naw

dubstep was my thing when i was 10 though

[dry stratus]

dubstep isn't music

dubstep is noise

[unique wind]

music doesn’t have to be lyrical

[dry stratus]

just like rap isn't singing

its just talking and spitting

[unique wind]

music most likely wasn’t lyrical at all for thousands of years

[molten lotus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767866472982249502/1065104515872870561/beatles-if-they-were-good.mp4

[unique wind]

i listen to music that sounds good not music that has insightful lyrics

it’s just background noise for me

makes the voices go away

[molten lotus]

I don't like lyrics much

[dry stratus]

I listen to music that doesn't sound like a toddler spamming random keys on a keyboard

[molten lotus]

obviously good lyrics + music is good

but good lyrics + bad music doesn't save it

but good music + alright lyrics saves it

[dry stratus]

or like an alcoholic with anger issues

[unique wind]

good lyrics is a plus but i’m more interested in the instrumental/beat sounding good

[dry stratus]

I don't really listen to music with singing for the most part anyway

mostly orchestrals/piano instrumental

[unique wind]

the way someone’s voice sounds is more important than what they’re saying to me

[molten lotus]

very hit or miss scenario

[dry stratus]

would bring some issues if you cared about what they said, because its always the same

either nsfw or romance

[molten lotus]

I can't really care how their voice sounds like if they are saying weird shit

but then again if its good weird shit I can

radiohead for example

[dry stratus]

"poopy woopy poopy woopy woopy!"

[unique wind]

i like interesting sounding voices

like yung gravy

[dry stratus]

someone probably: ^^

[molten lotus]

I don't like tom york's voice a lot but he says very meaningful songs in some pieces

[molten lotus]

who

[dry stratus]

this sounds like some weird homeless person's dish

[unique wind]

peep also has an interesting voice

[dry stratus]

peepo

?

[molten lotus]

is this sarcastic

[unique wind]

no

[molten lotus]

i mean

if you are comparing every other rap piece

[unique wind]

i like unique sounding voices more than lyricism

[molten lotus]

then I suppose they can sound different

but that's like the rap spectrum only

[unique wind]

almost all of what i judge music on is the tonality not the lyrics

[molten lotus]

can't blame you when you listen to rap

lmao

fuck bitch cocaine yuh

[unique wind]

yeah i listen to modern music genres because they sound nice

[molten lotus]

that's a cope

[unique wind]

very few bands have good mixing

[molten lotus]

pink floyd and led zeppelin have incredible mixing

[dry stratus]

If the lyrics are as dumb as they often are, I just don't listen to it
there is a reason I try to stay off of twitter, why would I seek stupidity?

[molten lotus]

same with alan parson

[unique wind]

avenged sevenfold sounds nice and some pink floyd does, but most metal is flat and harsh to my ears

[molten lotus]

absolutely

good mixed metal is a myth

[dry stratus]

metal is called metal because they just scratch a fork against a chalkboard

[weak rapids]

Modern music is absolute dogshit lol

[molten lotus]

nah

just

mostly

[unique wind]

metal is probably mixed the way it is because they know their listeners are people using setups with +30db bass

[weak rapids]

Theres like 1 good song a year

The rest is just rap with electronic interference as the beat

[dry stratus]

look at DM, I sent you something very intelligent

[molten lotus]

I don't like them a lot but radiohead is a good example of a modern artist that doesn't roll in line with the norm

paranoid android for one is an incredible piece

[unique wind]

people who only listen to rock and classical acting like they’re hyper intellectuals for not liking modern music genres is quite annoying

[molten lotus]

also if you like creep from radiohead you are an unloved person and I dislike you

[dry stratus]

spitting and snorting on a non existent rhythm*

[unique wind]

it’s all preference

you have your right to not like it but constantly saying it’s absolutely dogshit and people who like it are idiots is just toxic

[molten lotus]

rap is untalented and unoriginal in 99% of the cases

[weak rapids]

I usually stick by the 60s-80s pop music lol

[molten lotus]

you might prefer dogshit to things that have effort put into them

but that doesn't make it a whole lot better

[dry stratus]

alternative: rap is disgusting human pieces of shit that belong in prison 99% of the cases, often just problem teens gone wrong

[unique wind]

there is no such thing as dogshit music when all enjoyment of it is preference based

there was a period where metal music was mixed to intentionally sound bad and people liked it for it

[molten lotus]

it is objectively unoriginal

[weak rapids]

Uh bitch bitch bitch bitch i fuck bitches, bitch bitch bitch i fuck bitches

[molten lotus]

whereas pink floyd and led zeppelin have unironically brought new ages to music as an industry

in their mixing and experimenting

[unique wind]

sounds like someone doesn’t get bitches

doesn’t like being reminded of it either

[weak rapids]

Bitch is no longer a word in my vocabulary lol, it doesnt look or sound right

[molten lotus]

free bird's solo is one of the songs that have the most music theory built on it

[dry stratus]

they are too expensive, why would anyone want it

[molten lotus]

when the levee breaks held an incredible amount of discussion as to how it was recorded

turns out led zeppelin rented a house to literally record in it due to its acoustic architecture

[unique wind]

i hope u guys don’t turn into the cranky boomer who hates their wife and whines about what kids do and listen to

[molten lotus]

when you compare people who are so talented and put effort into their works rather than buying a beat from someone and voicing over it

[weak rapids]

Not liking modern rap = wife beater

[molten lotus]

if you are able to put the two together there are some clear differences in skill and end product

[unique wind]

who said anything about beating

[lean grove]

That's Klaus right now

[molten lotus]

tbh this

I will absolutely be a crank boomer

[dry stratus]

I already do hate on kids for having no respect and just doing whatever the hell they want even at the cost of others well into their late 40s

[molten lotus]

I would also prefer to not regularly beat my wife but it might be an unsolvable issue in the future

[unique wind]

screenshotted

[lean grove]

Klaus getting cancelled three ways from Sunday

Rip

[weak rapids]

I hate kids too but just cause they’re annoying

[molten lotus]

why does it matter if you screenshot it I literally posted it in a discord of 100k people

[unique wind]

that’s not a digital footprint that’s a digital stomp

[weak rapids]

I just want to shove a kid into a pile of snow

[molten lotus]

1080882172921135165

[unique wind]

i did this in school when we had outdoor recess

[molten lotus]

here the message id as well

do timestamp it

[dry stratus]

I would prefer human extinction honestly

[weak rapids]

Yes

[molten lotus]

I would be very happy about my life is we nuked paris honestly

[lean grove]

Twist ending: conpin isn't human

[dry stratus]

looking at twitter and tiktok only makes me think so even more

[unique wind]

they would plow the parking lot into one giant snow pile in the back and we would play king of the hill

throwing eachother off the top

[molten lotus]

that's not a twist

it was foreshadowed for like nine seasons

[unique wind]

yeah conpin wishes he has the hearing of a bug

[weak rapids]

Yeah but you were still a kid and doing it for fun, pushing an annoying kid into a bank of snow as an adult would just be instant relief and you would feel peace lol

[unique wind]

he only wants to hear 2000-40000hz

[molten lotus]

based

[dry stratus]

nah, I want to hear 300 to 1.5khz, then not hear below 300hz, or 1.5-3khz

[unique wind]

i want to lock conpin in a padded safe room that’s playing 15hz at 85db constantly for a full 24 hours

[weak rapids]

I remember in elementary school our principal and janitor would always be at each other’s throats when the grass was wet cause she didnt want us bringing in mud but the janitor says its his job to clean it and wanted us to have fun

[dry stratus]

you'll have a lot to clean

[weak rapids]

Tldr, no one liked the principal everyone liked the janitor

[unique wind]

nah we’ll make you clean it up before you’re allowed to leave

and then you’ll be desensitized to bass and be normal

[dry stratus]

twitter users: "I am not abnormal, just everyone else is"

[molten lotus]

that's just how schools are

principals are just assholes in general

probably to discipline people

[unique wind]

mine never were

[dry stratus]

they milk children for money, so...

[unique wind]

the vice principals were the ones who were cranky

[molten lotus]

not really

its equivalent to an office job

[unique wind]

you rarely interacted with the principal himself directly

[dry stratus]

yes literally

[molten lotus]

no % gained

[dry stratus]

there you go, new DM

[unique wind]

this is what klaus will look like in 5 years time

[molten lotus]

literally me

I need more beard though

[dry stratus]

I need to become a reptile

[unique wind]

you wish you were as cool as Jim

[molten lotus]

and moustache

[molten lotus]

you wish you were as cool as a reptile

[unique wind]

facts

[dry stratus]

nah, I wish I could deal with bass or temperatures above like 15'C well

[lean grove]

We all secretly want to sit on a hot rock and eat bugs all day but reptiles can't pay their taxes

[unique wind]

idk man your only options are exposure therapy and medication

or living like a recluse

[dry stratus]

I would rather eat the rocks

[unique wind]

we eat rocks all the time

[dry stratus]

me since my 4th year on this planet:

[lean grove]

Con-pin is a worm?

[molten lotus]

temperatures should no go above 15c

If I become president again I promise to cool down the entire country

[dry stratus]

"again"

[molten lotus]

?

[dry stratus]

I mean, I would want to live underground for lower temperatures yes

[unique wind]

my ideal temperature range is 50-80f (10-26c)

[molten lotus]

26c too much

[dry stratus]

-25 to 15 better

[molten lotus]

-25 is not good

but -3 is good

[unique wind]

it feels nice to just lay there and do nothing under the sun

but working outside when it’s hot kinda sucks

[molten lotus]

why would I want to see the sun

cringe orange ball

[dry stratus]

-25 is that temperature where I finally have a reason to wear more than a shirt

[unique wind]

because it feels great

and it increases dopamine

[dry stratus]

it increases stress

only gives me headaches and sunburns

too bright

I'll just stay in side with the lights out, 500 blinds down, etc

[unique wind]

yeh true it is bright but that’s because i’m severely light sensitive

i like sprawling out on a lawn chair and just laying there with my eyes closed for like half an hour

under the midday sun

[dry stratus]

I am light sensitive, heat sensitive, bass sensitive, organs that barely function, etc

[unique wind]

you might as well just live in a refrigerated clean room

[dry stratus]

and drink like 4-5 liters of olive oil in a month

[dry stratus]

I mean, if I had a choice, I would live in a room constantly cooled down to like 10-16'C, underground, and heavy air filtration

and wear an airconditioning bodysuit outside

dyson zone target audience:

[unique wind]

i’m gonna play haarper music on car subs outside your home

your walls are going to vibrate

[dry stratus]

will you clean the mess you made inside of my house?

if no, I will clean your nose with a vacuum cleaner

[molten lotus]

does anyone have an external mic for under 100?

with boomarm if possible

[unique wind]

fifine t669 or t683

[dry stratus]

I don’t have a mic

[molten lotus]

i have 2 headsets on lol

[unique wind]

conpin hasn’t used his vocal cords in at least 3 years

[weak rapids]

You got a webcam?

[molten lotus]

1 for sound, 1 for mic

[dry stratus]

No

I don’t speak english, so I have no need for a webcam, mic, or anything like that

[weak rapids]

My friend years ago grabbed one of those dentist arms from a dump, and stuck an old headset on it with the mic on lol

[molten lotus]

smart friend

[weak rapids]

Hi (sorry for my bad english)

[molten lotus]

i cant find the FIFINE T683

[dry stratus]

I have only screamed in pain since 16years ago

[dry stratus]

Just go and speak some weird language no one here knows

[weak rapids]

I can speak some Irish

[dry stratus]

Isn’t that mostly just ehifbwivhe

[weak rapids]

Yes

[dry stratus]

English still sadly is my best written language

[weak rapids]

You learn Irish for the same reason as Latin, to shit talk people outloud and be 99.99999% sure they dont understand you

But i swear I can’t get a grasp on french

[dry stratus]

Don’t have any local friends, so I haven’t had a need to use the local language ever

[weak rapids]

Why tf is a door feminine and why does it being feminine change the entire fucking sentence

Ive had french class from 4th grade to 8th grade and did a year on duolingo and I still cant make a sentence

[dry stratus]

Should be masculine, because doorknob

[molten lotus]

ong

[unique wind]

because you put keys inside the lock and open the door up

if i had to guess that’s what i’d say anyway

[dry stratus]

Still tho, you have to touch a knob

[weak rapids]

Yeag but why tf are words masculine and feminine and if 1 is it changes the entire sentence

[dry stratus]

because they believe women are born with door knobs

languages with lots of rules are just annoying to deal with

just make some brain dead single world language

[molten lotus]

It just evolved that way arbitrarily

No particular logic behind it

[dry stratus]

where there is no such thing as different versions of a word based on time, gender, season, moon crap, etc

just make it like "me go food"
meaning "I want to eat"

just food = all words that have anything to do with food

just be like "me go food not home low quality" = "want to go to mcdonalds?"

[lunar jackal]

Hey @molten lotus tell me what closed backs to buy. I'll trust you twice 😂

[molten lotus]

uh

budget?

[lunar jackal]

Max 300, I'm gonna keep them at the office so nothing too wild.

[molten lotus]

id say to go for k361/k371

if you can find a used oppo pm3 go for that definitely, those are not manufactured anymore

if you want to kick it up a notch get focal elegias or something

[weak rapids]

Meanwhile on r/headphones: “can anyone recommend a closed back pair, budget $300

Comments: hd600

[molten lotus]

"can anyone recommend headphones budget: the entire debt of us government"
comments: hd6xx

[dry stratus]

I would not recommend HD600 even if the question was open back, because I don't consider it a good headphone, I just consider it pleasant to have as an option if you listen to enough acoustic music

[weak rapids]

“I just need headphones for gaming on xbox and nothing else”
Comments: hd800

[lunar jackal]

My girlfriend just got 450s and they're pretty poopy

But she'll never know the difference

[weak rapids]

I once saw someone say momentum 3 was just as good as hd600 lol

[dry stratus]

why tho

[dry stratus]

was their name like mkbhd, uravgconsumer, or something similar?

[weak rapids]

Nah it was a reddit commenter

[dry stratus]

MKBHD who says HD820 is just closed back HD800, and uravgconsumer who believes skullcandy crusher, vmoda and sony XB line is best

[lunar jackal]

Do they support balanced input? Can't tell from the product page I'm looking at. The 371

[molten lotus]

uh

I am unsure

I remember k361 having a mini 3 pin xlr connector for input

[weak rapids]

Still waiting for the uac 232 to release

[lean grove]

Why do you need balanced for them. They're one of the most efficient headphones out there.

[lunar jackal]

Because I'm using a qudelix 5k

2v output on unbalanced, 4v output on balanced

[weak rapids]

I have this odd urge to watch vids of small “youtubers” getting a new mic which is a blue yeti, have it clipping and say its so much better than their previous mic

[lean grove]

Yes but the k371 has like 114db/volt sensitivity. You barely need the 2 volts of the single ended, let alone the 4 volts of the balanced.

[dry stratus]

nah, he's just listening to it from 50km away

[lunar jackal]

Fair point. I'm just the type of turn the volume down with more headroom when possible

[weak rapids]

Im the one who likes precise measurements for my audio, rn i keep it at 50% windows volume and everything else set down to 10% in volume mixer

For some reason my Naris at fully max is literally deafening

I would only change it if lets say im in csgo and want to make sure i hear where the footsteps are if im the last one, but then immediately back down it goes

But sadly faders without numbers arent good so I actually only use my goxlr as an interface with DST

[dim echo]

Does anyone know the differences between windows asio audio drivers and Mac audio drivers? For context I’m looking at MacBooks for ableton music production

[weak rapids]

Oooh theres an hd58x for $200 cad in my city

[molten lotus]

mid haeadphone

[lunar jackal]

It may be different for audio production, but as an engineer I would rather gargle 50 pounds of rusty thumbtacks than ever buy another macbook

[unique wind]

@dry stratus i made you in swords&sandals 3

[lean grove]

You got the human part wrong. We established he's a worm.

He eats rocks and he loves cool moist environments

[unique wind]

youre 100% right but theres no worm option

[lean grove]

Why

[unique wind]

youll have to take that up with the indie dev who made this game like 15 years ago

[plain widget]

hd58x bad

compared to the rest of the lineup, hd58x and 660s(660s2 too) are very meh

[dry stratus]

too heavy still tho

should be like 145lb

well, 6'6 and 130 if you want to get me at my worst

[summer flicker]

that's kicking it down a 20 foot well bro

lolol

that's the literal Sparta kick

https://tenor.com/view/300-action-drama-gerard-butler-madness-gif-3453226

those headphones are abysmal

[molten lotus]

huh

they aren't that bad what are you talking about

[summer flicker]

how can you say that, they sound like a tin can