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unique wind
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yeah it's like 3 in reality

molten lotus
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are you looking an amir's graphs again

unique wind
lean grove
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thats not 5db

unique wind
molten lotus
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you were looking at amir's graphs weren't you

unique wind
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no

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the 5db was pulled out of my ass

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and that was the first graph i looked at just now

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it's from techpowerup

molten lotus
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you can't write techpowerup without amir

unique wind
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?

molten lotus
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thats what i thought

unique wind
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buy both and tell me what u think

lean grove
unique wind
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so theyre even less different than i thought

molten lotus
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that's just frequency response michael

unique wind
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yes but if theyre using the exact same chassis and driver the only differences are the headband and frequency response

molten lotus
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it isn't

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the housing and tuning can make headphones entirely into different ones

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technically too

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not only tonally

unique wind
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tuning is frequency response

molten lotus
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yeah

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well no

lean grove
unique wind
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see this is what i want to know

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what's actually different

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instead of just someone's subjective analysis

molten lotus
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I said I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same driver, he probably mentioned that

lean grove
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buy some and open them up

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you can tell if they're the same driver usually by looking at impedance

molten lotus
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anyways

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even if the driver is exact same

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the sound can be different

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both tonally and technically

unique wind
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yes it can if they had different tunings but they dont really

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but nils said they arent the same driver anyway

unique wind
molten lotus
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tuning means everything that changes the sound

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which can also affect the technicalities

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you could in theory create the same frequency response and have different technicalities

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at least on a measurement rig

lean grove
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well.

molten lotus
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but yeah, measurement rigs are not perfect representations of what we hear

unique wind
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are there ways to measure technicalities

molten lotus
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no

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well

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its like dac and amps

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its a correlation of many things

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same way we can't make sense of dac amp sounds off of numbers, we can't of headphones either for the most part

unique wind
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im in the party of there's no audible difference between quality dacs but i can hear differences between amps

molten lotus
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they can have meaningful input as to what a headphone can be but it will not be reliable information regarding everything

lean grove
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you can look at everything coming out of the headphone.
all of the data is observable.
but you can't really interpret all the data with 100% accuracy.

molten lotus
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yeah

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to do that we would need a perfected measurement rig

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which we don't

lean grove
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thats not it

molten lotus
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it is definitely a part of it

lean grove
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that's a matter of accuracy.

molten lotus
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our ears are shaped different

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the sound will be right to some and not to others

unique wind
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ear shape wouldnt affect technicalities

lean grove
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yeah. which is never gonna let us have a perfect measurement rig.

unique wind
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or other subjective factors

molten lotus
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thing is

lean grove
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the issue is that its hard to look at the data and say "yeah this will be really resolving"

molten lotus
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even with incredible molds of people's heads and ear canals

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we still don't have a good representation

lean grove
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or "this has 10% better detail than the d8000"

molten lotus
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so the measurement rigs are flawed

unique wind
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theyre not flawed

molten lotus
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outside of the ear shape argument

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they are meant to measure what we hear, they don't

unique wind
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so long as every headphone that is tested is tested on the same rig it's fine that we cant match everyone's ear shape

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it's only used for comparing headphones anyway

molten lotus
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issue is

unique wind
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not for seeing how theyll sound on our unique ears

molten lotus
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even if the ear shape is mostly perfectly copied

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it's still different

lean grove
molten lotus
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there are mechanisms that our body handles regarding how we hear things that aren't reflected in our body shape

unique wind
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yeah but klaus it doesnt matter

lean grove
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psychoacoustics cant be measured.

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yet

molten lotus
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i wasn't talking about that

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for example

unique wind
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so long as every headphone is tested on the same rig that makes it completely fine to compare the headphones

molten lotus
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we are born with alien ears like conpin and have a built in +20dB 10khz peak filter

unique wind
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nah conpin has +50db subbass

molten lotus
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our body literally autoeq's itself to neutral

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our ears

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to match what is defined as neutral by the body itself

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but the issue is that is not perfect either

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since the body is naturally flawed and varying

unique wind
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thats not really how it works but yeah that does happen

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it happens with visual stimuli as well

molten lotus
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I don't know about visual stimuli

unique wind
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your brain can adapt to a new whitepoint

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color temperature of lighting

molten lotus
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yeah

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to my knowledge this can't be represented with physical factors

lean grove
molten lotus
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and even between two headphones that have slightly differing angles in drivers or earpads can deliver the frequency response different to your ears

unique wind
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yeah but the way your body bends the frequency response doesnt affect the headphone itself

molten lotus
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what is frequency response for if it can't represent what you hear

unique wind
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so measuring on one measurement rig that doesnt match everyones ears is fine

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its just to compare not to give a perfect representation of how itll sound on your specific ears

molten lotus
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if a slight angle makes a quarter of humanity hear things differently than a rig interprets it, what good is a rig

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the quarter part is just a random number but you get my point

unique wind
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because thats not the point klaus

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its for comparison in a void

molten lotus
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michael we have different ears, like all of us

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what use is a measurement rig when you look at it like that

unique wind
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its for comparison in a void

molten lotus
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well

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sure

unique wind
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youre being a bit of a nihilist but in the audio realm

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all ears are different therefore all measurements are meaningless

molten lotus
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but just take note that even things that measure really similar don't necessarily sound the same

unique wind
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it's dramatic

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but if all physical characteristics are identical then it would

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angle, construction, pad

molten lotus
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I don't know

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maybe

unique wind
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i think you're a bit too deep into subjective realm

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XS are undoubtedly better in general but theyre not a radically different headphone

molten lotus
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are you comparing xs to anandas or other headphones below its price range

unique wind
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to ananda stealth specifically

molten lotus
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but again

unique wind
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but the fact that XS uses a different headband absolutely will change the sound youre right on that

molten lotus
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people prefer ananda stealth a lot over the xs

unique wind
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because it changes how they seat on your ears

molten lotus
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yeah

unique wind
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this headband style seems like itd be more comfortable

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and put less of a dent in your head

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you have sundara so

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do you like that headband style?

lean grove
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it is more comfortable

unique wind
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even if the headband didnt change the sound physically it could change the way you experience the headphone too

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if one is a lot more comfortable and makes you happy youll find more enjoyment

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even if they measure the same

lean grove
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clamp changes sound, so headband will change sound.

unique wind
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yeah i said that above

lean grove
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if you have a breeched seal, thats headband and pads, it iwll change the sound

unique wind
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i was just going even further

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this headband looks like itd suck big time

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(he5xx)

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wow the hifiman re-10 looks ridiculous

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reminds me of the shure sm5b

lean grove
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you're afraid of the chonk potential

unique wind
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terrified of the chonk

leaden cloak
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Why is it a pill?

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What end do you talk into?

unique wind
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it's a microphone from 1965/66

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it's actually pretty good and was discontinued because it was too expensive to produce at the time

leaden cloak
unique wind
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THE BLIMP

leaden cloak
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Shure does look like one

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It does sound surprisingly good though

unique wind
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true

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better than a sm7b in my opinion

leaden cloak
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I was going to say the same thing lol

molten lotus
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very low bar

fallow tide
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Only issue is these headphones are $10k usd.

lean grove
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why are you not a millionaire or something

fallow tide
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It's like 30k cad with taxs and price conversion.

unique wind
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that's not very much money

molten lotus
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yeah i wipe my ass with 10k

fallow tide
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I don't think headphones that cost as much as a car are worth it lol.

unique wind
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i mean thats not anywhere near enough for one of my cars

molten lotus
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also where did you get 10k

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aren't those like 5k

unique wind
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6k

fallow tide
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unique wind
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fallow tide
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At standard they are 6k but it's still super expensive.

unique wind
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eh one weeks wage

molten lotus
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one days wage

unique wind
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sometimes yeah

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depends how active i am with dropshipping

fallow tide
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Heck sennheiser is more worth it and is cheaper.

unique wind
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yeah the sennheiser he-1 is pretty good

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good affordable headphone

fallow tide
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I'm good with my philips shp9500 for now though. They do what I need at least.

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Was even debating about getting the x2hr instead at the time I bought those.

molten lotus
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he1 is pretty alright

lean grove
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yeah get he-1 instead of x2hr

unique wind
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^

fallow tide
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Too expensive lol.

unique wind
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get ur finances in order

tender frost
unique wind
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ive heard hifiman is terrible with closed backs

rare hamlet
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What’s a good closed back headset for up to 400 dollars? This will be for music usually rock/classical but occasionally hip hop. Ideally I’ll use it as a pc headset as well with a modmic

unique wind
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akg k371

rare hamlet
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Oh that’s not that expensive that’s cool

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Is anything above that price point just diminishing returns?

lean grove
rare hamlet
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Is open back that much better?

lean grove
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yes

rare hamlet
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Huh alright. What would you suggest for an open back in that price range then? Up to 400

lean grove
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$400 is a bit of an awkward price bracket. take a look at the HD560s, dt880, hd6xx, hd600, and ATH-r70x

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if you go a bit above your price bracket you can fit in an open box edition XS

fervent tangle
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What are good headphones for audio that also have Bluetooth for less than 400 bucks

fervent tangle
leaden cloak
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Bose QC45ii?

fervent tangle
leaden cloak
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Yeah, anything is

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But they’re also just good headphones overall

thin kernel
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I rock a pair of QC15 for gaming, got the qc35ii last year on sale and I'm happy as a pig in poop

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they're not super... technical headphones? What I mean by this - if you put them up against, say, open-back Sennheisers, you're not going to hear all the detail and separation on the Bose that you would on the Sennys.

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But they sound super musical, their tonality is great, meaning games and music sound fun, there's plenty of detail enough to get, like, FPS aiming (at all but the most extreme competitive level)... they're not "gaming headphones", they're not "audiophile headphones" they may not even be the best noise cancelling in the game anymore compared to the NC700 -- but the QC line represents this sweet middle-ground all-rounder of a headphone that last me a decade+ thanks to their relatively modular design (replaceable cables, pads, etc)

dry stratus
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Bluetooth latency would make them not great for gaming but usually fine as long it doesn’t matter too much

fervent tangle
dry stratus
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No anc and often worse sound because no more correction crap

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Sometimes wayyyy worse sound

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Idk if its also with those tho, but often on those anc headsets

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Haven’t personally tried those wired

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Hd660s2, lel

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600$, ew

dry stratus
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I’ll just watch it, and hope they actually decided not to use hd700 driver crap

glacial flume
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so I may have managed to get my hands on a NT1-A for $170 off
pretty useful being an audio production and vocal performance student

molten lotus
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170$ off?

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did you get it for like 5$

dry stratus
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170 off on a like 165-180 thing

glass wagon
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Is it bad that I prefer CD quality over MQA

hardy basalt
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been looking into buying a new headset, I'm looking for one that comes with a traveling case though

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any suggestions?

molten lotus
cobalt sparrow
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i dunno if its just psychological tho

rough jolt
formal cliff
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Hi All.

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Please suggest a noise cancelling headphones(On the ear/Over the ear) under $130

vestal meadow
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It's actually better

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So you can pat your hearing in the back

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Mqa does claim to be lossless but there have been enough tests on their systems to know that isn't the case

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Whereas cd audio be it in wavs or converted to flacs are truely lossless

vestal meadow
rough jolt
formal cliff
rough jolt
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Passive means it's just the seal between the headphone and your ears, active means there are microphones and speakers playing frequencies to actively cancel out the noise

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Passive Isolating headphones suck tho

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If you want passive isolation you just buy IEMs

formal cliff
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I would go with ANC, But will I get one for the price?

rough jolt
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Yeah the one I recommended 6 messages ago

formal cliff
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Tune 760 NC

rough jolt
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yep thats the one

modern blaze
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Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, or other? 4 people, multiple devices (iphones, windows pc's, avr)

rough jolt
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Apple Music or Qobuz

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Apple Music has a better selection of songs but Qobuz is more compatible with stupid audiophile garbage like roon or LMS

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Tho spotify has probably the best recommendation algorithm so it's kinda up to those 3

modern blaze
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I don't use roon, LMS, or anything like that, nor do I really care about recommendation algos. I manually build my playlists

rough jolt
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Apple music probably the play then

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They have lossless which is nice, decent pricing, and more tracks than qobuz

modern blaze
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mmkay, thanks

formal cliff
rough jolt
rough jolt
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yep that's it

formal cliff
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rough jolt
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Those are on ears

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they aren't going to be very good at ANC

vestal meadow
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Atleast that has been my experience

formal cliff
vestal meadow
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With their cheap buds

formal cliff
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$100 - $130

vestal meadow
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You can look at the akg k361 bt

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It's not active noise cancellation tho

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But does have good passive isolation

formal cliff
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NC is recomended

rough jolt
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K361bt is garbage

vestal meadow
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Hmm it sounded pretty decent tho

rough jolt
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Nah it's bad

vestal meadow
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The bass is a bit bloated tho

rough jolt
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It's substancially worse than stock k361

vestal meadow
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That is true

rough jolt
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which is already pretty bad

vestal meadow
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Yeah true

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In wired you can do a lot better at that price especially second hand

rough jolt
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Or you just buy truthear Hola and have better headphones than any closed back over ear on the market

modern blaze
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Waiting for customs to release my fiio fd5's

vestal meadow
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They are pretty decent

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But I would pick their 80 dollar siblings most days of the week

rough jolt
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If you have quadruple the money to spend sure

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I would too

fervent tangle
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What are two good headsets,one of them which is good for gaming,and the other which has good sound quality for music and has Bluetooth for when I go outside for less than 400 usd

raw aspen
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Headsets or headphones?

fervent tangle
raw aspen
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Headset has mic attached to it

fervent tangle
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Oh so headphones then

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Wait it doesn’t really matter I can buy a mic and mic arm

molten lotus
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Perfectly balanced sound curve

raw aspen
leaden cloak
molten lotus
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It sounds so good

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(Please buy me new ears)

leaden cloak
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Who needs the instruments I guess

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All you need is bass and symbols

molten lotus
leaden cloak
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That’s somehow worse

molten lotus
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This is what i use

molten lotus
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Ski ramp? @leaden cloak

leaden cloak
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Better..

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I forgot I had this on

molten lotus
leaden cloak
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It was for my beats fit pros

molten lotus
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Ah

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Perfection

leaden cloak
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That’s a bass shelf if I’ve ever seen one

molten lotus
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Jokes on you for my headphones

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This is my serious one i use tho

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@rich karma YOU JUST DITTO’ED ME

hardy basalt
molten lotus
hardy basalt
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it is

molten lotus
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It is

hardy basalt
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Any good headset for around $18 to $36?

molten lotus
hardy basalt
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Dang

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Guess I'll try to raise it up to $54

molten lotus
# hardy basalt Dang

A “good” headset gon set you back 100-150 but it depends what you classify as good

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Cheapest id go is artics 3

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Which r 50 but that’s a headphone

hardy basalt
molten lotus
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Would personally get a dt770 or something

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Or a dt990 pro

hardy basalt
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headphones typically play around 1,000 to 2,000

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ROG headsets go as far as 16,000 if I'm not mistaken

molten lotus
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50€ headset is well budget

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Would feel bad for myself if i had to live with a 50€ headset

hardy basalt
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this good?

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I currently have a Kraken X

molten lotus
hardy basalt
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Guess I'll wait for a sale for now

cobalt sparrow
hardy basalt
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they're like earphones, yeah?

molten lotus
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get cloud 2 @hardy basalt

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better than either of those

hardy basalt
nimble belfry
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Can I hear opinions on best 75-80” tv for 2K or less? Trying to decide if it’s worth going OLED even if its like a b1 or c1 or if some of the mini led options would work. Replacing a 5 year old sonly 75”

nimble belfry
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I mean I don’t see a video tech channel so figured this was closest lol

lean grove
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huh

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i thought there was a monitor channel

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nevermind this is the c losest

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personally i use a projector. there are a lot of used ones that can get a good deal. there are some types of projectors that can sort of compete with oled,

leaden cloak
modern blaze
nocturne coral
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Anyone here fw 10.2 surround sound?

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I found a couple of subs along with a Denon receiver that I think can do 10.2

dapper berry
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are ATH-M50xDS just the regular M50x but blue?

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as in there's no hardware difference?

keen creek
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Can anyone recommend good gaming iems with a decent mic under 100 $

keen swift
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I have been looking it to this a lot and been asking here for a while to get the best headset/mic, because I live in Iraq and only handful of headsets are available, so I have to order it from US and ship it, and I don't want to get something that isn't good enough, so what would you guys pick for me between the (ASTRO A40 TR Headset + MixAmp Pro TR) and the (Sennheiser pc37x + FIFINE K780) if you cant tell I need a good headset and a decent mic, the astro set costs me 250$ and the sennheiser set costs me 170$ so I need some advice please

tender frost
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The Sennheiser one lol

cinder flax
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100% the Sennheisers. Honestly, with the Sennheisers you can probably even skip the dedicated Mic. I've got the predecessor to the PC37x (the Sennheiser/Epos GameOne) and found the mic to be perfectly adequate, if not better then a lot of cheapo mic sets you can get on Amazon...

keen swift
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honestly I'm on edge, I feel like the astro is a safe bet, since I can make this purchase once, and from what I have heard the astro mic quality is far superior to the pc37x, and I hate having separate mic for my setup I hate it, mic quality is kida big deal for me

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on the other hand if I go with the pc37x it saves me 126$

molten lotus
keen swift
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wait really?

molten lotus
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yes

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a40 is straight up bad

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its not a competition

keen swift
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I must be faded then, I have listened to both on yt and thought the a40tr was much bette r

molten lotus
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what do you mean you listened to both on yt

keen swift
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ok then the pc37x it is

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the mic quality, I have listened to them both, on youtube

molten lotus
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ah I wasn't commenting on the mic quality

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but pc37x has a pretty alright mic

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but audio wise a40 is nowhere close to pc37x

keen swift
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ohh, well i did mention that, but if I get the pc37x I still can get a fifine k780 which is like 55$

molten lotus
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if you are getting a separate mic don't get pc37x

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there are better headphone only options out there

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like hd560s

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given you live in europe and can get them for like 110$

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or find them on a sale

cinder flax
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Took me some time to set up, but here's a test recording I did with my Sennheiser GameOne as well as my XLR-Mic Setup. Both directly from the mic unedited and not gone through Nvidia Broadcast. Granted, my room is pretty echo-y, but if you think this Headset mic sucks, then you're probably thinking of something else...

molten lotus
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pretty alright for a headset mic

cinder flax
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But yeah, as Klaus said, if you're getting a dedicated mic anyways, get a pair of proper headphones to pair. Headsets can be great if you're looking for an all-in-one solution, but when you don't need the mic anyways, you can get much better headphones for the same price or save a buck and get similar quality headphones for cheaper...

keen swift
nova wagon
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then the pc37x would be the best
tho idk that you can get that with a reasonable price outside the us since this is a drop exclusive

keen swift
keen swift
nova wagon
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hmm okay

keen swift
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i take it there is no difference between tge game ones and the pc37x?

nova wagon
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there are some differences i believe

cinder flax
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I'm not sure about the PC37x. I believe the only difference between those and the GameOne is the branding? (one being Drop x Senn, the other just Senn or Senn/Epos)
What I do know is that the PC38x has upgraded drivers, which mostly materialise in better bass response?

keen swift
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the PC38x is open back I cant have that in my environment, sad.

cinder flax
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They're all open-back. The PC37x, PC38x and GameOne 👀 (it's actually one of the reasons why I love mine so much and why I choose them originally)

modern blaze
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I have a pair of Fiio fd5's arriving later this week. On the assumption that I like them, any recommendations on a Bluetooth dac/amp to pair with them for when I want to be untethered from the pc? I was looking at the Fiio BTR5-2021 https://www.fiio.com/btr52021

keen swift
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wait I think they are uhhh

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how bad are open backs, can I literally hear anything around me?

cinder flax
# modern blaze I have a pair of Fiio fd5's arriving later this week. On the assumption that I ...

If you don't need all the extra power of the BTR5, you could also save a buck and go for the BTR3k also from Fiio. It's quite a bit less powerful on it's non-balanced 3.5mm output, but not that much less on it's balanced output, plus it supposedly has a longer battery life 🙂
Oh, and you could also get something like the Fiio UTWS3 or UTWS5, which basically turns your IEMs into TWS earbuds 👀

modern blaze
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What’s TWS? 😊

cinder flax
modern blaze
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Nm, looked them up

cinder flax
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oki 😄

modern blaze
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My only real concern with something like that is attaching and detaching the cables (and utws) frequently when changing from wired to wireless

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No idea how resilient that connection is

cinder flax
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Ah. Makes sense. I'm not sure for how many disconnects these earbud connectors are rated for, but yeah, if you intend on switching frequently, then something like the BTR3k or BTR5 is probably the better choice 😄

modern blaze
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Mmkay, thanks for the input

rough jolt
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BTR5 does cool things like brick itself if you try to EQ

modern blaze
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Yeah?

cinder flax
dry stratus
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LTD Atrium lookin edgy

ocean pulsar
rough jolt
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But its not like it's worth the risk because it's better, q5k is also just a better device

ocean pulsar
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the btr is thinner and more easily pocketed

rough jolt
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No?

ocean pulsar
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the btr5 doesnt get stuck in my pockets

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even pulling via the cable

rough jolt
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And?

ocean pulsar
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if the sound is the same (which it is) and the power is sufficient, the only difference is practicalities
and imo formfactor is the most important practicality

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also doesnt the qudelix have buttons on opposing sides of the device?

rough jolt
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Yes

ocean pulsar
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yea its waaaaaaaaay too small of a device to get away with that

rough jolt
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I really don't think you have thought this through very much because the q5k controls are not an issue whatsoever

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Not to mention paramentrec EQ with auto EQ built in, and being drastically cheaper than btr5 I see 0 reason to buy a btr5

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The fact it doesn't have a solid chance of bricking itself is just an extra bonus

ocean pulsar
#

ok looked it up and its a bad firmware update that bricks the device.
they pulled that firmware and released a new one that doesnt brick.

rough jolt
#

But it ships with the firmware that bricks itself

ocean pulsar
#

not in the last year

rough jolt
#

It has

ocean pulsar
#

and everyone i can find was able to get their device rma'd

rough jolt
#

Because I have seen someone in another server with a bricked btr5 in the last 8 months

rough jolt
ocean pulsar
#

because its only superior in your biased opinion

#

a differently biased opinion (my own) finds it to be superior

lean grove
#

What does the btr5 offer that the q5k doesn't

ocean pulsar
#

sliding in and out of my pocket easily and being able to be controlled with 1 hand while in a pocket

lean grove
#

Sounds like a skill issue

ocean pulsar
#

oh also have they added next and last track controls?

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on release it didnt support that

lean grove
#

Yes.

ocean pulsar
#

oh they added it to the power button

#

great

lean grove
ocean pulsar
#

what an awful interface

lean grove
#

Those are optional.

#

Btr5k isn't much better.

#

Q5K always has options.

#

Much better customization and its still getting updates expanding it's features

ocean pulsar
#

the btr5 comes stock with the same controls as every single inline earbud controller

#

qudelix seems like it makes sense for enthusiasts, but im never gonna recommend it to someone who doesnt know

lean grove
#

Nah. The only thing that's an issue is using a different button for skip backwards.

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Otherwise skip forward and pause are the exact same

#

And if you can't handle double tapping other side of a rocker then....

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Maybe stick to dongles I guess

ocean pulsar
#

qudelix also seems to have 4x the power when balanced instead of the normal 2x

#

which seems like a bug?

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because its exactly identical to dongle perf when se

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1v at 32 ohms se 3.8 balanced

lean grove
#

It does 2 volts single ended and 4 volts balanced

ocean pulsar
#

not loaded according to measurements

#

i could not care in the slightest about vpp unloaded, if i need a bluetooth line out ill buy a non portable device

lean grove
#

Don't know what situation you're gonna be in where you need that much power but okay.

ocean pulsar
#

well if you dont need the power you can get a btr3k which is outright better in all but not having a screen and lower power

#

its actually half the height of the qudelix, to the point where i keep it in the coin pouch in my wallet

lean grove
#

Why stop there. You can keep going lower and lower.

ocean pulsar
#

lower doesnt get you much smaller

#

my outright favorite bt adapter is the one that came with my mh755s
i forget the name

lean grove
ocean pulsar
#

the ubtr is thicker, dont think it would fit in my coin pouch

lean grove
#

What kind of coin pouch do you have

#

Can it fit only one coin

ocean pulsar
#

the one that is built into my wallet

lean grove
#

Two coins?

ocean pulsar
#

it can fit about 6 ill have you know

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the problem is thickness

lean grove
#

That'll get you a good hour and a half at most parking meters

#

You're the first person I've met to have to judge audio equipment by how well it fits in your wallet Carmon

ocean pulsar
#

the point is that its supposed to be portable

lean grove
#

It's not portable if it's not about the size of six coins

ocean pulsar
#

where do you keep your dongle?

#

cause the btr3k was an upgrade from dongle for me, so it had to fit in the same spot

lean grove
ocean pulsar
#

you arent required to answer 🤷

lean grove
#

All my pants have this convenient little pocket

ocean pulsar
#

and mine do not

lean grove
#

Skill issue.

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What kind of pants are you wearing.

ocean pulsar
#

i also dont wish for pocket space to be taken up when its not in use

lean grove
#

That's what pockets are for Carmon. To put things when you're not using them.

ocean pulsar
#

the cheap khakis that dont have double pockets

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(i just stood up and doublechecked lel)

ocean pulsar
#

then iems go in my shirt pocket

lean grove
#

How about that clip.

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The one the q5k comes with built into that you have to buy for the btr5

#

I'm sure you can affix that to someplace inconspicuous on your person

ocean pulsar
#

the btr5 and 3k come with a clip, its just not built in to the device

lean grove
#

With one of those things you don't even need a pocket

#

Imagine the possibilities

ocean pulsar
#

must be nice to not have to do manual labor for your job :/

lean grove
#

I wear a lab coat.

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So. Yeah not really pouring cement or installing windows

#

Is the clip on the btr5 bad or something

ocean pulsar
#

🤷 dunno never used it

ocean pulsar
#

the problem is just the whole it being outside of the protection of my garments

dry stratus
#

why does this thing look so god damn edgy?

ocean pulsar
#

oh no that reminds me i did clip the btr3 inside my pocket, but it would fly off whenever i pulled anything out of the pocket
i may actually be able to pull that off with the btr5

lean grove
ocean pulsar
#

wtaf

lean grove
#

?

dry stratus
lean grove
ocean pulsar
#

the btr5 the clip is reversible so if you want to attach the clip on wrong its only an option, not forced on you

lean grove
#

What other direction would you want it

dry stratus
#

the best place to put it is inside of your underwear

ocean pulsar
#

so you clip the device on the inside of the pocket so the device is inside and the clip is outside, then the cable goes into the pocket where it can be coiled up and neat?

lean grove
#

No Carmon.

#

The cable goes outside the pocket

#

Otherwise the only person listening to music will be your butt

ocean pulsar
#

so your iem cables are exactly the distance from your pocket to your ears?

#

my torso is long and i dont have a single iem within 6 inches of that

#

most have at least 6 inches of slack that needs to stay in the pocket to not get caught on doors

lean grove
#

Then coil it

#

And put it in your pocket

dry stratus
#

or buy shorter cable

ocean pulsar
#

so why not have the port point into your pocket?

#

the btr3 was designed that way, and the 3k and 5 allow you to choose

lean grove
#

I also have the ability to choose to drive into incoming traffic.

dry stratus
#

do it

#

lose some limb

#

or an eye ball

#

or finger

#

thumb probs

#

so you can't grip anything

lean grove
#

You can do that trick to break your thumb ligament

#

You know the one

ocean pulsar
dry stratus
lean grove
dry stratus
lean grove
#

🥴

dry stratus
#

or can't?

dry stratus
#

Wonder if there is like any good headphone or iem that doesn't make garbage music sound like garbage, too limited in what I can even listen to

ocean pulsar
#

mh755

dry stratus
#

the suckiest thing about non-consumer trash, it sucks the life out of the bad stuff
listening to generic crap through midrange-higher end stuff

unique wind
#

everything is gonna sound lifeless without bass

dry stratus
#

rumbling bass specifically

#

don't mind planar bass for example

#

still not boosted tho

unique wind
#

i don’t think driver type changes the point at which frequencies rumble

molten lotus
#

planar bass is just often linear

#

i think that's why you think that

#

linear or sub linear

unique wind
#

but most music is probably made with the fact that 99% of people use bass boosted headphones in mind

#

so it’s gonna sound boring with linear bass

dry stratus
#

dynamics usually just fuck it up whenever I hear it

molten lotus
#

even if that were to be, there are other factors apart from bass that make music more lively

unique wind
#

i mean it’s subjective so there can’t be a true or false

dry stratus
#

basically would need something that can hide the compression ig

molten lotus
#

bass spl isn't the only factor that determines its quality

unique wind
#

👽

#

i’ll take obvious statements for $500

fading patrol
#

Anyone here know how to change the System Tray icons next to audio channels ?

dry stratus
#

speakers with headphone icon and headphones with speaker icon, lel

fading patrol
#

yeah you understand my rage then

#

lol

unique wind
#

yeah you can change those

#

in the windows sound control panel

fading patrol
#

Changing them in Control Panel does not propagate here...

unique wind
#

oh

#

that’s tuff

fading patrol
#

the icons you also cant change are in the new windows 10/11 menu when you click them... maybe I can edit in registry

#

This Icon specifically

dry stratus
#

could always just rename headphones to speakers and speakers to headphones

fading patrol
dry stratus
#

just makes the icons match the name

fading patrol
#

hahaha

#

But my headphones go to the Modius DAC and the Speakers are USB driven

#

Then I just will be more confused

dry stratus
#

who cares

fading patrol
#

hahaha

dry stratus
#

some day you'll forget what headphones are

molten lotus
dry stratus
#

and say "I put speakers into my ears and walk outside with them"

fading patrol
#

real solution here is to change the definition of speakers and headphones when I was a kid

#

anyone got a time machine

dry stratus
#

yes

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or just change every human being to a stax user

#

earspeakers

formal cliff
#

Hi

#

Audio-Technica ATH, Is this is a good brand for headphones?

molten lotus
#

except for r70x, most of their items are generally subpar

dry stratus
#

ADX-5000 I liked at least

#

probably not within budget tho, and not worth it at their price anyway, especially with HD800 used costing like 1/4th

dry stratus
unique wind
dry stratus
#

don't speak english so meh

unique wind
#

you read and write it very well

dry stratus
#

tfw your native/first is worse than your second by like 20+ years
(compared to others living here ofc, don't think my written English would be all that good the moment you compare to native)

#

what a life of no real human connections from age 4-6 and only gaming does to your language development:

#

to be fair, your average local here pronounces extraordinary as "extra-ordinary"

#

which would have the opposite meaning

sinful niche
#

Got my stardew valley vinyls! When I get money I’ll get good analog speakers

unique wind
#

those r cool

dry stratus
#

warm

frozen lynx
#

I got some iPods, the old one seems to have the black spot that means expanding battery so not gonna plug it in

#

The nano video one I think it’s called works fine, 16gb, slight liquid damage on top of screen, battery lasts from what I’ve seen, charge for 30 minutes last an hourish of music

#

You can see the what I think is liquid damage near the top, I might sell it but idk

molten lotus
#

which r better dt990 pros or dt 770

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dt880

molten lotus
#

what

#

never said 880 is a option

lean grove
#

Why not

molten lotus
#

what

lean grove
#

880 is better than both.

molten lotus
#

quiet

#

or else i will have to take action

molten lotus
#

by that logic shouldn't dt770 be the worst option

lean grove
#

Higher number means better everyone knows that

lean grove
molten lotus
lean grove
#

But it's a lot more neutral than both.

molten lotus
#

it images well

#

not sure whether dt770 or dt880 are better for gaming but it isn't something you should care about

lean grove
molten lotus
#

while I do think a headphone with better imaging can assist your gaming on a very minor level, it isn't something you should think about when comparing dt770 to the dt880

molten lotus
#

No, get the dt880

#

dt770 is straight up bad

#

and dt990 is a direct downgrade from dt880

#

hmm i see

lean grove
#

880 sounds better

dry stratus
#

maybe the newer beyer 700 is better but idk

dry stratus
#

beyer isn't too great at making headphones honestly, they are just good at one or two things and sometimes they release something that has flaws small enough the good things about it make it worth it

#

in this case, DT880 for gaming, less so for music but still fine
just might be hard to listen to at times

#

beyerdynamic = tinnitus simulator

#

they release a lot of headphones that sound like hearing damage

rugged marlin
#

Hey why do i hear dt 770 pros are bad

molten lotus
#

for being bad

rugged marlin
#

Fair answer but why will my ears bleed

#

They cant be that bad if people recommend em so much

molten lotus
#

he was exaggerating the ear bleeding part but they have too much treble

#

it tires the fuck out of your ears

#

can even give you tinnitus in above average listening levels

rugged marlin
rugged marlin
#

Aight what about the uhh

#

K371s

molten lotus
#

good headphone

#

not as durable as dt770 but very good for a closed back

#

id still say open backs cheaper or slightly expensive than it are better but for a closed back it is excellent

rugged marlin
#

I see then

#

Ill probably go for the k371s then

rugged marlin
#

Thr k371s

molten lotus
#

yeah

rugged marlin
#

Thats the average price on ebay

molten lotus
#

consider k361 as well

#

k361 is k371 but with less sub bass

#

if you prefer neutral sound then k361 is better

#

if you prefer more funky and bassy then k371

rugged marlin
#

I mean i never had a decent pair of headphones

#

I plan to do some tech reviews, gaming and music listening so, i dont know

molten lotus
#

just grab k371

#

the odds are you wont like neutral if you aren't already a part of the hifi hobby

rugged marlin
#

Aight thanks for the advice.

dry stratus
molten lotus
#

you are welcome

#

regarding what conpin said

#

audio reviews often say more about people's standards than they do of the items themselves

rugged marlin
#

Oh yeah one more thing

#

What about the build quality

dry stratus
#

probs the one good thing?

rugged marlin
#

Now i wont be slamming it against the wall

#

No the k371s

#

Not dt 770 pros

dry stratus
#

they're alright

molten lotus
#

it will last a few years if you treat them nicely

rugged marlin
#

But are they like comfortable

molten lotus
#

they aren't built particularly sturdy

astral hemlock
#

I get my new PC tomorrow and am now realizing I don’t own a microphone, any suggestions for a good balance between quality and price And something that does a good job of noise isolation

molten lotus
rugged marlin
#

I know

molten lotus
#

different head shapes and all

dry stratus
#

depends, do you have elf ears or monkey ears?

rugged marlin
#

Yeah ape ears.

weak rapids
#

the Ethos is such a tempting mic tbh

rugged marlin
#

Like if the cups and band are good

molten lotus
#

i mean

#

they aren't particularly uncomfortable

dry stratus
#

for me they are fine, but I have pretty flat and small ears

#

tfw IEMs XXS size is still too big

rugged marlin
#

Man tf

#

Well wait

#

Iems and headphones are different

#

K371s go on your ear not in

#

Or well around the ear

dry stratus
#

over

rugged marlin
#

Yeah over ears

molten lotus
#

over

rugged marlin
#

Oh yeah do they plug into the audio interface or the motherboard jack i dont know much about high end audio shit.

#

Or well i wouldnt say the k371s are high end.

dry stratus
#

as long as you have small to average sized ears, they should be fine at least
if you have big ears or those floppy ears, they are common enough in audio stores if you want to try before you buy

molten lotus
rugged marlin
rugged marlin
dry stratus
molten lotus
rugged marlin
#

Yea

#

I know

sonic lagoon
#

So I am looking to ditch my HyperX Cloud Alphas for some headphones or IEMs, but I need a mic, any recommendations for preferably sub $100 but $150 is not out the question?

rugged marlin
#

Usb or xlr

molten lotus
#

^

dry stratus
#

don't need a mic if you can use the IEMs for sound and headphones for mic

#

true esports setup

sonic lagoon
sonic lagoon
rugged marlin
#

Uhhh youd need an xlr interface

#

Like the m track m solo

#

Cheap and good.

#

You can build a mic set up for a 100 bucks

sonic lagoon
#

oh yeah thats only $50

molten lotus
rugged marlin
sonic lagoon
rugged marlin
#

Ah yeah

dry stratus
#

dac is for digital to analog, not analog to digital anyway

molten lotus
#

for what usage

sonic lagoon
#

discord and zoom meetings

rugged marlin
#

Grab a boom arm shock mount the uhh pop filter sock thingy the xm8500 and m track m solo

molten lotus
#

this

#

don't get a pop filter though

dry stratus
#

just give him a 5000$ mic for discord

rugged marlin
#

I meant one of em sock things

molten lotus
#

oh a windshield

rugged marlin
#

You get me?

#

Yea

molten lotus
#

or a windscreen

#

i mean

rugged marlin
#

Yeah

molten lotus
#

i don't think the xm8500 needs it

rugged marlin
#

OR use a thick sock

dry stratus
#

how about using an umbrella

molten lotus
#

i don't think it would work very well

sonic lagoon
#

ok so xm8500, boom arm, windcreen, and m track m solo?

rugged marlin
#

Yea

#

Shock mount too

molten lotus
#

no shock mount needed

rugged marlin
#

Really?

molten lotus
#

shock mounts are rarely needed for microphones unless they are meant to be used with them

rugged marlin
#

You can just pop er into the arm?

molten lotus
#

most mics already have shock mounts built into them

molten lotus
rugged marlin
#

Ah i thought it wouldnt uhh fit

molten lotus
#

unless its a stupid mic like the yeti most mics are standardized

rugged marlin
#

Wait is a shock mount the thing im thinking of

#

Brb

molten lotus
#

it is

#

but its not something needed

sonic lagoon
#

and any boom arm recommendations or just anything thats like $50?

molten lotus
#

id say to grab whatever is the cheapest

#

if you have money to blow go for whatever innogear has

rugged marlin
#

Yeah it is i thought ya need it to fit the mic onto the arm

molten lotus
#

you don't

rugged marlin
#

So a boom arm xm8500 and m track m solo

sonic lagoon
#

yep, thank you both for the recommendations

rugged marlin
#

No problem

molten lotus
#

you are welcome mate

sonic lagoon
rugged marlin
#

I mean i dont know how shit/good the mic is

sonic lagoon
#

ok yeah thats what I was wondering

molten lotus
#

it wouldn't suit your use case

rugged marlin
#

But again the xm8500 is a great budget option

#

What 20 something bucks

molten lotus
#

xm8500 is better for you

rugged marlin
#

Or eur atleast.

sonic lagoon
#

yeah I think Ill go for xm8500, i just dont love how it looks, but that doesn't really matter

molten lotus
#

the mpm1000 does sound better

#

issue is it picks up background audio

#

that's why I stressed the xm8500

sonic lagoon
sonic lagoon
rugged marlin
#

Just pop a windscreen over it or somethin

sonic lagoon
#

yeah I have heard that a lot

dry stratus
rugged marlin
#

You mean the headset or the razer sieren mic

molten lotus
#

seiren mini is actually decent

#

so i presume the kraken

dry stratus
#

kraken is the razer headset
but the SM7B users all seem to love razer and steelseries headset

rugged marlin
#

Eh just checking as we were talking about mics

#

Kraken headsets arent really that good

dry stratus
#

disgusting*

rugged marlin
#

The hyperx cloud IIs are the only decent headset

dry stratus
#

cloud IIs aren't made to be gaming headsets at least

#

just a rebrand with a mic attachment

rugged marlin
#

Yeah pretty good though

dry stratus
#

just buy HE6

#

or a sus

sonic lagoon
#

I am just getting into the audio stuff, are the moondrop arias still recommended? I also do not know if I want IEMs or headphones, the $80 price tag for the arias is very appealing

rugged marlin
#

Shit you want glorified earbuds or over ears?

#

Also closed or open backs

#

(Iems are apparently very good tho)

dry stratus
#

depending on his budget, closed vs open might not even matter

molten lotus
#

arias are prettygood

sonic lagoon
#

my budget is again max $150

molten lotus
#

id recommend hd560s or dt880 250ohm over it though

sonic lagoon
#

I am trying to conserve funds after splurging on my keyboard

molten lotus
#

or he400se

dry stratus
#

buy a custom keeb

rugged marlin
#

Ill buy a corsair k63

#

: troll :

dry stratus
#

buy a custom

#

for like 800-3k

rugged marlin
#

No, im too broke

dry stratus
#

and the razer vpier signature edition they sell for 300

rugged marlin
#

I wanna make a decent set up for like 900 eur (pc included) already figured it out

#

I just wondered if the dt 770 pros are bad (appears so)

dry stratus
#

then just buy the 1080p520hz I think it was Asus monitor that was shown

sonic lagoon
#

my custom will be $430 in total

rugged marlin
#

Who the fuck needs 520 hz

rugged marlin
sonic lagoon
dry stratus
rugged marlin
#

144*

dry stratus
#

165

sonic lagoon
molten lotus
#

they are technically more limited than headphones always

rugged marlin
#

Really? I thought there was basically no difference between 144 and 165

molten lotus
#

this doesn't mean there are iems that sound as good as headphones, but generally, there aren't

sonic lagoon
#

ok I see, thank you

dry stratus
rugged marlin
#

Ill grab a 2nd hand monitor, dont mind a handful of dead pixels : troll :

dry stratus
#

1440p165hz basically all you'll need (unless you're like me using a 65inch TV and a couch)

rugged marlin
#

Usb or xlr

#

Budget

astral hemlock
#

USB

dry stratus
sonic lagoon
dry stratus
#

tfw I spent over 600 on keycaps alone

dry stratus
rugged marlin
dry stratus
#

keycaps + keyboard already at 350 quite easily

rugged marlin
#

God uhh what mic was it

astral hemlock
#

I was thinking a blue yeti or that hyperX one but they kinda expensive

rugged marlin
#

Thronmax m8 pulse

#

There we go

dry stratus
#

the only mic we need is a broken one

astral hemlock
#

Oh shit the hyperX mic is 40 bucks rn

rugged marlin
astral hemlock
#

That seems decent

rugged marlin
#

Yeah it is

dry stratus
#

at least you can edit your messages

rugged marlin
#

Quadcast right?

astral hemlock
#

Solocast

rugged marlin
#

Ah yeah that

#

Yeah good

sonic lagoon
molten lotus
#

quadcast and yeti are real memes

#

also jesus christ 150 for keycaps

astral hemlock
#

The audio snob showed up

unique wind
dry stratus
sonic lagoon
sonic lagoon
rugged marlin
unique wind
#

hes a little gooberish

rugged marlin
molten lotus
unique wind
#

theyre the same thing in different fonts

sonic lagoon
unique wind
#

at least keebs r cheaper

dry stratus
#

I am not a keeb person, I am a quality person

unique wind
#

im involved in every hobby related to a computer so i like all of them

#

displays, audio, mice, keyboards

astral hemlock
#

Wait is there a non RGB quad cast for cheaper

dry stratus
#

if I have the choice, I am willing to spend 1000 on shoes if it means good material quality

rugged marlin
unique wind
#

the point of diminishing returns with shoes is quite low

molten lotus
unique wind
#

theres not a lot they can do to make them feel better to wear

rugged marlin
#

i used a 30 eur pair of shoes for 2 years, before i bought semi decent ones

astral hemlock
#

Out of stock shit

dry stratus
rugged marlin
unique wind
#

there's an enthusiast dress shoe community

#

but for sneakers it's mostly just rarity and collections

rugged marlin
#

i gotta admit, timbs and jordans look good

dry stratus
# molten lotus based

it is why I spent a lot on keycaps, why bother spending 200$ on plastic keycaps, imma just spend like 720 on aluminum keycap set

unique wind
#

i wear timbs 4 work

rugged marlin
#

i found a pair but they are a few sizes smaller

#

so i gave them to my friend

unique wind
#

i have the original style black ones

dry stratus
rugged marlin
#

i hear some models have shit comfort

dry stratus
#

I don't like the hyper casual stuff anyway

#

give me something to wear that doesn't make me look like I came from the streets and spit on people during 2021

astral hemlock
#

Is the solo cast still an alright microphone

rugged marlin
dry stratus
unique wind
astral hemlock
unique wind
#

if you already own it then you can make it work but dont buy one

#

it's a poor value microphone with gamer tax

astral hemlock
rugged marlin
#

wait whats the budget again

astral hemlock
unique wind
#

you can get a usb mic that beats it for around $45

astral hemlock
rugged marlin
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samson..meteor? i think, i hear its pretty good

unique wind
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i guess the solocast is also $40

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but i still wouldnt buy it

astral hemlock
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What would be better for that price range

rugged marlin
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what you wanna get a mic for 40-50 bucks?

unique wind
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rugged marlin
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check the samson meteor

unique wind
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fifine is the king of budget usb mics

rugged marlin
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OH yeah fifine

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how could i forget

astral hemlock
dry stratus
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just use a text to speech, so you can type and they hear it

unique wind
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there is none

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it's just a basic usb microphone

astral hemlock
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Also I don’t have a arm

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It’s going to need to be stationary and work fine

dry stratus
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you don't have arms?

unique wind
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both of those kits come with one

dry stratus
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how are you typing without arms

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just hands attached to your torso?

lean grove
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Speech to text

dry stratus
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or that

astral hemlock
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Let me correct myself, I don’t want a microphone that uses an arm

unique wind
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youre not getting good audio quality then

lean grove
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Arm is necessary for getting a clear voice.

astral hemlock
rugged marlin
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grab a kraken headset then

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😆

astral hemlock
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I have one of the B&O ones

dry stratus
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pain

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fashion cans

astral hemlock
lean grove
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Headsets hate you.

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You can get a lapel mic

astral hemlock
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What are all these No name brands

unique wind
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lapel is a type of microphone not a brand

rugged marlin
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my guy you want a mic for 40-50 bucks you want a good mic, or a hyperx solo cast

unique wind
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im not sure what to even suggest him