#audio-tech

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lean grove
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Real endgame.

summer flicker
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currently theres a bit of a draught in the 500-1k price tag

dawn ice
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yup

summer flicker
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most dacts in this area just sound the same

molten lotus
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a bit is an understatement

summer flicker
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id probably extend that to like 250 honestly

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250-1k

molten lotus
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zen sig

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im good with that

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after that next step would be holo may or something

lean grove
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I've got my eyes on the vmv d1se

dawn ice
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realistically, buying a dac above zen one is gonna make you pay 10x more for a 5% gain, which is probably best case scenario

molten lotus
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5 to 10%

summer flicker
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its only really when you get past that and you start toying with things like Callia, Soekris 2541, and the more upper echelon pro dacs do you start to see some stark differences

molten lotus
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but I agree

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its minor

dawn ice
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maybe, ive not tried any end game dac's properly

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ill probs just stick with das703es for my dac

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dont see a point in going past it

summer flicker
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dc2 is the best dac ive heard so far

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its claim to fame ironically enough is crazy macrodynamics

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the thing is extremely agressive

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relatively wide staging

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u shape tone

dawn ice
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for me, the 2 best ones that i got to properly try are yggy and das703

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both of which i own atm lol

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tho will likely sell yggy in the long run

summer flicker
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yggy used to be the big thing in macrydynamics before dc2 came and blew the competition out of the water iirc

dawn ice
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yggy is deffo a nice dac

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main thing about it is that it just sounds natural

summer flicker
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i say 'came', but its more like 'was found out'

dawn ice
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but ye, gonna either look for an amp or just cop an ar15 with the money i get from yggy lol

summer flicker
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honestly i think solid states cap out pretty early.

dawn ice
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maybe

summer flicker
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like 1-2k ish

dawn ice
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i havent tried many high end amps

lean grove
summer flicker
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theres the zahl memes though

dawn ice
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i mean, yes, if you want the best sound you can possibly get, then spending a lot on the dac is going to give you that

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but its just not cost effective

summer flicker
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i heard good things about those if you have an infinite wallet

dawn ice
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lol deffo not

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maybe id save up for a raal hsa-1b idk

unique wind
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audiophiles spending 4 figures on dacs for a 5% improvement but dissing people who spend more than $100 on a microphone

summer flicker
dawn ice
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nah thats deffo out of my budget

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hsa-1b is already a stretch

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maybe ill get another vintage meme idk

summer flicker
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yeah i mean thats downpayment tier

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you could buy a good ass car with that money

dawn ice
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yup

unique wind
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if you buy that and you don’t have a 6 figure income Wojackmeme_brainlet

summer flicker
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youre either extremely into audio or just clout chasing

unique wind
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either way it’s a poor financial decision unless you make 6 figures

summer flicker
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yeah. the hobby in general is just poor financial decisions one after the other

unique wind
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it’s okay it’s fun

summer flicker
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most people ought to be able to content themselves with a 560s through a dongle imo

unique wind
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560s goated

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(i’ve never heard them)

summer flicker
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theyre okay

dawn ice
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real goat is xs

unique wind
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i find my he400se piercing even though they have smooth treble frequency response so i don’t know what to believe anymore

summer flicker
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good for the price, prefer hd6x0 line personally but i just dont believe it holds up super well through a dongle so you need some source investment

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it is defintely far more natural though

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the 6x0 line that is

summer flicker
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560s is a little better in that regard

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its still hot in the treble though

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6x0 line smooth as butter in that region

unique wind
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what would you recommend for something that doesn’t have annoying treble but has more bass than sennys

summer flicker
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price tag?

unique wind
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sub 1k

dawn ice
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xs

summer flicker
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cant comment on xs

unique wind
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hard for me to believe xs doesn’t have annoying treble with all the frequency response peaks it has

summer flicker
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gotta think about that one

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im not sure, gimme a sec

dawn ice
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xs is the best tuned hifiman currently for sale

unique wind
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its treble tuning is literally a rollercoaster

dawn ice
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its still a tiny bit brighter then harman, but not much, and the treble is never shouty or piercing

unique wind
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it’s up and down 5db peaks

dawn ice
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at least off a decent amp

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past like, 5k, measurments dont really mean much

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since the rigs cant really measure them properly

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or is it 10k i forget

unique wind
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10k iirc

dawn ice
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either way, xs treble doesnt feel peaky

summer flicker
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lcd2 pre fazor is downright dark. but has some of the best bass pre 1k

dawn ice
summer flicker
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emu teak has a little bit of an agressive treble curve, but has again some of the best bass pre 1k

unique wind
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pre fazor?

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i don’t know what that means

summer flicker
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they remade the headphone with new drivers essentially

unique wind
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so would you mean the lcd2 classic

summer flicker
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nope

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not at all

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that headphone is beyond dogshit

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i know its confusing

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lcd2.2 i think theyre called officially

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is pre fazor

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emu teak is more accessible if you are wary about buying used

dawn ice
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some lcd2c's can be great

lean grove
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It's weird how they say the lcd2 was supposed to be a copy of the pre fazor

dawn ice
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some are trash

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just like literally every audeze

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it all depends on your luck of the draw

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since they got insane driver variation

summer flicker
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lcd2c i dont think has the same unit variance memes

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i had a pretty well measuring unit

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it still sounded like ass

dawn ice
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i doubt it, there driver variaton basically comes from there inability to tension there drivers properly

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i highly doubt that they lost the tech half way through making headphones lol

summer flicker
unique wind
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paying that much for a lottery of quality is wack

dawn ice
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yah, this is why i never recommend audeze

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ive heard some unicorns, lcd3 ive had to try for a couple of days was particularly sweet

summer flicker
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thing about audeze is theyre pretty flexible to eq

dawn ice
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but like, its basically a lottery in terms of what you get

summer flicker
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theyre chameleons

dawn ice
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youre not going to eq out poor driver tension

unique wind
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dawn ice
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good audeze? yes

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shit ones, they just shit

summer flicker
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another one with good bass but god awful treble, which can be eq'd out as its an eq chameleon is hd800. stock tuning is awful, it its very susceptible to eq. will take a large ass bass shelf like an absolute champ

dawn ice
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i got jabaited in to buying a shit lcdx a while back, you honestly cant eq out a turd

unique wind
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f

dawn ice
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the shop i bought them from back in the day keeps a really old lcd-x that im certain they hand picked to audition, to bate people in to buying them lol

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they also had a golden 2pf

summer flicker
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i doubt the shop cares that much

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most people that go inside an audio store already knows what theyre buying

dawn ice
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i mean, both the cans were suspiciously old, sounded really good, and they were reluctant to let me demo there newer stock

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so it was pretty sus

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it was a small shop

summer flicker
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i reckon the ones that they put on display are not exactly ones they paid for

dawn ice
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maybe

summer flicker
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but i could be wrong

dawn ice
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either way, unless youre 100% sure youre buying a unicorn, audeze is not a smart buy

summer flicker
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you can be with used ones

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as they give you the fr graph with the box

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you can just ask

dawn ice
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if you trust the seller then yah

unique wind
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just steal ones from a show

dawn ice
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plenty better shit to steal lol

unique wind
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yeah but you can’t take something really nice

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that’s too obvious

dawn ice
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tru

unique wind
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my next audio purchase is probably another set of speakers because i’m still using dogshit at my desk

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put my jamo c93s on my tv setup

dawn ice
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noic

summer flicker
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but yeah unfortunately when it comes to neutral tone headphones theres really not much out there with good bass

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emu teak gets pretty close

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still hot in the treble though

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maybe less hot than 560s

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if memory serves me well

unique wind
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i’m probably stuck with iems forever

summer flicker
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iem bass is just not my thing

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its limp beyond belief, probably due to the sound being directly shot in your ears

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0 sense of rumble

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0 tactility

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actually pretty decently neutral

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little bit of a dip in the mids unfortunately

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which will translate to slightly harsher treble

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but not by much

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either way the bass is aPES_HardBass

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whats also convenient is the thing will run fine off a dongle

unique wind
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iem bass sounds pretty similar to subwoofer bass to me it’s just localized to your ears

molten lotus
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even lcd2c which is shit can become decent with eq

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though its not worth buying one for all of the things you can't eq out

summer flicker
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not always. gotta be careful with that

unique wind
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yeah but not the one in the XS it already has distortion out of box

molten lotus
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for example?

summer flicker
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try eqing any of the abyss headphones lol

molten lotus
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I wouldn't think of spending 5k on cans to fucking eq them

unique wind
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ananda has crazy bass distortion and the xs is just a cheaper bass boosted ananda

summer flicker
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they probably eq on average better than DDs though

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dds you gotta be extra careful

molten lotus
summer flicker
summer flicker
molten lotus
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I don't believe in this

summer flicker
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you can easily tear a fat ass hole in your driver with too large a bass shelf

molten lotus
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I have eq'd shit way beyond reasonable

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its fine

summer flicker
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ive seen it happen before bro

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more than once

molten lotus
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on which headphones

summer flicker
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people get on discord trying to show people clips of their drivers vibrating

unique wind
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my dt770 completely fall apart with any bass shelf

summer flicker
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and they pop their shit

unique wind
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vocals distort and they’ll pop and stop playing entirely

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can’t eq everything

summer flicker
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but nah what i mostly meant was for audio reasons

molten lotus
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I mean

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I am not saying you can eq limitlessly and make things good

summer flicker
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a lot of headphones just dont take well to an eq

molten lotus
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I am saying you can eq things out of reasonable without blowing your shit

unique wind
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keep in mind bass can be very distorted without being audibly fucked

molten lotus
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eq has its clear limits audio wise

unique wind
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subwoofers can run at like 10% thd

molten lotus
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but driver healthy wise I have not seen examples of shit dying

summer flicker
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for the same reason that you can brek your headphones if you play them too loudly, you can break them with too agressive an eq

unique wind
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so you could be damaging your drivers without hearing anything wrong

molten lotus
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before you break shit they would start audibly clipping physically

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which is a warning signal

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it isn't that easy to blow stuff

summer flicker
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hey ive never personally done it so i cant attest

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but 1000%

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ive seen people do it

molten lotus
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you can absolutely do it

unique wind
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i’ve never been able to break any headphones or earbuds

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it’s really easy to bottom out speakers though

molten lotus
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but you have plenty of warnings the headphone physically gives you before it gets to that point

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if the bass just starts dying

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maybe you should eq less

summer flicker
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idk mate

molten lotus
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if the headphone sounds like its destroying itself it probably is lmao

summer flicker
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some people pop their he6's without much warning

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some headphones are just really finnicky

molten lotus
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that's just speaker tapping stuff mostly

summer flicker
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yeh i mean, its power right

molten lotus
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it has some other factors related to the engineering

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that makes it different from a headphone amp

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like

summer flicker
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either way, i was talking mostly about the audio side

molten lotus
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it should be safe but it can totally go wrong too

summer flicker
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some headphones take noticably better to a solid bass eq

molten lotus
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yeah I agree with everything you said regarding that

summer flicker
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while others you have to like

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either force them out of it with massive eqs or just live with it

molten lotus
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yeah some you just have to adjust according to what the driver can handle

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hence why crinacle autoeq is a fucking meme

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oh look guise -5dB dip lets just add +5dB

unique wind
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amir on asr i mean

molten lotus
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no they don't

unique wind
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which is nice

molten lotus
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they really don't

unique wind
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they do

molten lotus
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nah

unique wind
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you can say nah but that’s part of their process

molten lotus
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to correct things with eq you first need to actually be able to measure headphones good

summer flicker
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what klaus means is you cant just adjust things by eye

molten lotus
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or by maths

summer flicker
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sometimes you have to work around it

molten lotus
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since drivers aren't going to respond to any peak eq the way it shows on a graph

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its going to vary

summer flicker
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yeh likeu cant just go like oh theres a -5 dip here ill just do +5 and call it a day, sometimes you gotta adjust whats around the dip instead of the dip itself

molten lotus
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like

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I assure you

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calculated eq does not fucking look like this

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nor do they have any graphs for an error curve or anything

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unlike oratory and the entirety of headphone autoeq project

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well at least he is aware of it

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also droop

summer flicker
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i mean thats a big reason why amir is such a meme

molten lotus
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yeah

summer flicker
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he will evaluate headphones while fully realizing he has huge variance issues

molten lotus
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the rest is probably about him proclaiming that dacs that all measure linearly but with like 0.001 less thd is better than another

summer flicker
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i dont really understand why he thinks its useful information to anybody to evaluate a headphone when you have notable gaps in your mounting

molten lotus
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its probably the ears measurement rig

summer flicker
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i dont think he has ears no

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that would be laughable

molten lotus
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I don't know how you can mess it up like this otherwise

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I have seen better measurements on ears

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than this

summer flicker
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good question. hes got a full ass rig

molten lotus
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gras 45ca apparently

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I mean

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at least it isn't the ears

summer flicker
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thats a pretty good rig iirc

molten lotus
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same

summer flicker
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hes just an idiot i guess

molten lotus
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maybe they don't clamp enough because the rig is not wide enough or something

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I don't know

summer flicker
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if it wa a single instance then yeah sure

molten lotus
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it is double sided but still

summer flicker
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this happens ona regular basis with him

molten lotus
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it may just be me but the rig just seems slimmer than the human head

summer flicker
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other reviewers step in and go 'i was able to fully seal it'

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and they get banned

molten lotus
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lmao

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do you know when the new rig is dropping btw

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the one everyone was talking about

summer flicker
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no idea

molten lotus
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with the convoluted fucking name

molten lotus
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klaus

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hello

molten lotus
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hello

past badger
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Hey yall, i got a pair of sennhieser hd 6xx headphones and was looking for a amp to pair them with, i am new to the audiophile gig so id like something with a good price and can get the full quality of my headset

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I do play games so if you can as extra points, point me to a eq that may help with games like cod (i use the Peace eq)

lean grove
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And an EQ will not help you be better at games.

past badger
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Better audio for quieter sounds like footstpes

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Steps*

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So would the magni 3 be decent?

molten lotus
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that wont really help

unique wind
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yeah there’s not really any way to eq headphones that gives you an advantage

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and many pro players use absolutely terrible gaming headsets or shitty earbuds

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6xx on its own should be more than enough

past badger
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alright, then would a amp still be reccomended or just keep what i have where its 3.5mm to type c

dawn ice
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if you got a dongle then its got an amp built in to it

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a more legit dedicated amp will help tho

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would look at the ifi zen dac for an all in 1 solution, should be a good upgrade over a random dongle

past badger
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its just a apple dongle

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ight

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i did see that and it wasint expensive either

bitter hollow
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Apple dongle is great

past badger
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looked simple to use too

past badger
bitter hollow
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Eh

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Dunno if it's gonna matter much for gaming

past badger
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this is aside from gaming

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like music and what not

dawn ice
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well zen dac should improve things

molten lotus
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it wont matter at all for gaming

dawn ice
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its more of a dac then an amp, but it also has a p aight amp built in to it

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sennys dont need much amping so should be fine for them

past badger
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i see

dawn ice
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ive heard a lot of mid impressions of schiits super budget stuff so would avoid personally

past badger
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Idk man, like i said, im new so i need some judgement from others to help me out

dawn ice
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best way to figure this kind of stuff out is to go in to a hifi store and try some of there stuff out

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get a short list from people online on what to check out and head on over :p

unique wind
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the only issue i have with my schiit iemagni is that it has a scratchy analogue pot but it’s not a big deal

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schiit is selling silver magni3+ b-stock for $80 on their site

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and jotunheims with dac modules for $300

dawn ice
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is that new?

molten lotus
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iemagni is worse than magni 3+

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i don't recommend it

dawn ice
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jot2 with a dac for 300 would deffo be my pick if i didnt have an amp/dac at all

unique wind
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the jot is b stock as well

ocean pulsar
dawn ice
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where do you see it

unique wind
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it’s a jot “r”

molten lotus
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he is asking for the 6xx though so I don't recommend it

unique wind
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not sure what the suffix means

dawn ice
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mmm, yah, idk how r differs from the stock one

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i didnt even know there were a non lcd-r/raal specific jot r

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idk i feel like they goofed and didnt put the ''raal only'' disclaimer on one of the jot r's

unique wind
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asgard with dac module for $300 is nice too but it’s not an american plug

dawn ice
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yah not a bad choice

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tho 300 for an asgard3 is a bit much

molten lotus
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the dac module is just bad

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id rather apple dongle it

unique wind
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ur buggin

dawn ice
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nah its for sure better then apple dongle lol

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the integrated dacs are actually not bad

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at least the v1 wasnt bad

molten lotus
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its barely better lol

unique wind
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same goes for all dacs

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apple dongle gets you 90% of the way there

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a decent $100 dac is 95%

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then you spend four figures to reach 100%

molten lotus
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that is literally because modi 3+ is barely better than an apple dongle

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and afaik the asgard integrated also uses the same chip

unique wind
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modi 3+ uses an AKM 4490

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the module in the integrated is an ES9038

molten lotus
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my bad

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idk if to put here or #cars but does this subwoofer seem ok for $215?

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I believe it's only 100watts or some thing

unique wind
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@lunar jackal

lean grove
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No reason not to just get a modi

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Also the dongle only puts out 1 volt rather than the 2 volts of a modi

ocean pulsar
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soundblaster dongle is 2v line out

lean grove
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🤢

molten lotus
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Does anyone think the HD600S2 is going to be any good?

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nah

unique wind
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paying 600 dollars for a 600 series headphone is wild

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it does have more bass though which is cool

coral tiger
teal fern
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hey guys good evening

does anyone know what mics ltt uses to shoot vids?

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specifically the boom mics they use

leaden cloak
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Huh..interesting

summer flicker
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660 is considerably worse than the 6x0 line

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which is 580, 600, 650

leaden cloak
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It’s a weird release

summer flicker
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58x is also terrible

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I mean 660s2 probably better than the 660s marginally

leaden cloak
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And they supposedly made a new 560s I think it was that was slightly worse

summer flicker
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unfortunately for them that's not much

runic blade
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I am having a very weird issue. My microphone volume in discord swings wildly from quiet to loud, without me touching anything. Every few minutes it just goes loud or quiet and stays like that for a while. I don't have anything like automatic gain control on, the windows device volume doesn't change either.

My setup is an AT2020 XLR microphone with a Behringer UMC-22 audio interface. Both are about 4-5 years old.

summer flicker
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sometimes that causes some issues

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or a different port entirely

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also go into your device properties and make sure everything is set right

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also isolate whether it's just discord or your entire mic

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if it's just discord it has something to do withbyour discord settings

runic blade
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It's definitely the mic or the interface. I switched to using my webcam mic for a few days and the issue went away.

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I tried a different port but not a different cable. It's a USB A style cable, so I don't have a spare.

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I'd find it difficult to believe the cable is responsible for the volume issue given it's a digital signal, not analog.

summer flicker
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either way switching to Webcam mic doesn't isolate the variable of whether it's discord or not, could just be that the settings are fine foe that mic and not the other. you need to record yourself talking outside of discord

coral tiger
molten lotus
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I know nothing about sound and shit but the MTX TNP212DV Bass Package Includes TNE212DV ported enclosure (with two 12" subs) and TNA500D 500-watt mono amp sounds ok

coral tiger
molten lotus
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in installing it in 2001 nissan xterra lol

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so i dont need amazing quality

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i just love bass

modern blaze
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inb4 mtx jackhammer

runic blade
summer flicker
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its possible it's a toggle setting messing with your shit

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discord plugins are more finicky than you think

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either way make sure ur device properties are set properly via ur control panel sound settings

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could be a sampling issue

formal bone
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yo, need help decidind wireless gaming headset

ripe meadow
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curious, does any know any bluetooth headphones (with a mic) that is just generally good enough sounding with good enough mic?
the device i want to use it on is on the iphone and ipad.
i want to be able to VC/call with needing to worry if i sound muffles or just mic sound so shit, which is the case for the airpods. great quality audio but the mic is so shit.
currently im looking at the logitech vibe 100 but anyone has other recommendation?

unreal vigil
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any thoughts on the ie40pros?

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im trying to pick up some cheap iems

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around 50-100 USD

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i live in china so i can source a lot of stuff quite easily

dawn ice
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personally id go for moondrop aria

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but that is a bit of a prefference pick

severe grove
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is there any wireless earbud more comfortable for sleep than 1more comfortbud mini?

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comfortbud mini is quite small but im a side sleeper, its still quite uncomfortable after like 3 or 4 hours

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tried sleephone, was uncomfortable after just 10 mins

wide atlas
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Hi, can some one recommend me some over ear wireless headphones for 100-150$? the recent one I own broke and was looking to buy new ones

dawn ice
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wirless is not a smart buy

formal bone
dawn ice
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dt880 250ohm or tygr 300r with a meizu dongle if you want good imaging

frozen saffron
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I want to get tws that can easily switch between device without having to go disconect and connect everytime (or better connect to both at once), is there something I could look for or any cheap recommendations?

lyric pollen
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Does anyone has a good recomendation for a 200ish€ wireless headphone, I was looking forward to having noise cancelling and a good level of confort

dawn ice
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if you want noise canceling, get beyer dt700 pro

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wirless is cope

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but if you dont need noise canceling, then go for the above mentioned

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or he400se with meizu dongle

lyric pollen
dawn ice
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no, it wired

lyric pollen
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oof

dawn ice
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but theres a reason why anyone that has experience with audio gear will never recommend wirless stuff

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its just substancially inferior

lyric pollen
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yeah i know

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But I am fine with getting a hit at sound quality

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I just cant stand the cable

frozen saffron
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counterpoint I cant swallow wired buds

dawn ice
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its not a small hit to audio quallity

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youre basically paying 200e for audio quallity thats on par with a 10e wired product

tough lava
lyric pollen
tough lava
dawn ice
#

you can get wired iem's for 10$ that will be on par with all the wirless consumer memes

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gets some moondrop chu's for 17$ and watch them beat all the wirless crap you can throw at them if youre curious

slim mason
#

they most definitely will not beat "all the wireless crap"

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thats just pure cope

dawn ice
#

there might be some outliers that could come down to a prefference pick

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like airpod pros maybe

slim mason
#

are we talking purely iem or also headphones

dawn ice
#

could be both

molten lotus
slim mason
#

I mean focal bathys are damn near perfect to my ear

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yes they are expensive

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but they are wireless

dawn ice
#

oh yah, i forgot about those

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they might be good idk, ive not tried them yet

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i imagine there very similar to stellia?

slim mason
#

havent tried those

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I sure hope they arent as good since the stellia is like 5 times more expensive

dawn ice
#

i mean, stellia are wired

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so makes sense

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there alright, but nothing mind blowing :p

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good for closed backs

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tho tuning is a bit bland

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id preff to run moondrip arias over them personally

weak rapids
#

Holy shit

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I can get an re20 for $395 CAD and re320 for $196 CAD, my friend works at a company that owns EV and actually gets a huge discount

molten lotus
#

omg you can waste so much money

weak rapids
#

No

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I can buy them for a huge discount and sell them for more than i paid lol

lean grove
#

omg you can scalp 😱

weak rapids
#

Not scalping if you selling for less than what they normally cost

lean grove
#

Yes. It is.

shut shard
#

salnotes zero or truthear zero?

jagged kiln
#

is a kraken x good value?

shut shard
weak rapids
weak rapids
jagged kiln
#

it hits the same price point

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is that a good value?

dawn ice
#

cloud 2's are ok

jagged kiln
#

ok

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so what should i be buying instead at that price

dawn ice
#

there isnt much under 100, especially for headsets

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for headphones, cheapest id personally go are akg k361

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theres also senny pc37 if you need a headset for a bit more

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tho if you gotta stay at that budget then cloud 2's are probs your best bet, there one of the only consumer headsets that dont suck

muted steeple
#

hello guys. i really like the beyerdynamics 990pro. I'm mostly using it for gaming. What Amplifier would you recommend me ? I still have my Soundblaster Zx. I am not really an expert in tech-stuff. Tyvm ❤️

dawn ice
#

ifi zen dac

muted steeple
dawn ice
muted steeple
#

V2 is ok ?

dawn ice
#

yah it really doesnt matter

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v2 is functionally the same to v1

muted steeple
#

cool. thx. can be delivered next week too. awesome!

dawn ice
#

sweet :p

serene surge
#

I'm trying to split audio so I can use the speaker+ multiple headphones, should I plug this into my line in audio port? or line out port? I have no idea what's the difference and I think both line in and line out would work?

lean grove
median frigate
#

how much would u guys rate this outta 10 as an audiophile

serene surge
#

Guys what is this thing called? a barrel with both sides are 3.5mm audio ports, somehow clears the noise signals? I need to buy more of this thing!

weak rapids
#

Ground loop isolator

serene surge
#

thanks!

molten lotus
#

no

stone quartz
#

Are the Pixel Buds any good?

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And are the Pro model worth the extra money?

unique wind
#

if you can afford the pro model you’d be better off getting the airpods pro

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but otherwise i believe the pixel buds pro are 2nd place

stone quartz
#

A friend of mine told me the AirPods Pro are only worth getting if you have an iPhone

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Said they sound worse on Android, but I'm not convinced of his claims

leaden cloak
#

they're jbl so most likely not bad. but they're jbl so they're not good

unique wind
#

3/10 in a void but when the 7hz salnotes and moondrop chu exist they become a 0

unique wind
#

you won’t have access to apple’s proprietary bluetooth codec, the seamless connection, find my airpods, or the decibel estimater

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but i don’t believe their tuning or noise cancelling is affected

stone quartz
#

That's good at least

gilded scaffold
#

So my DT 770s are starting to misbehave after 4 years and sometimes output to only one ear. While I'm gonna troubleshoot that a bit and hopefully get that working reliably again, I might be looking for a new pair. I prefer closed back (up at ungodly hours with sleeping people nearby) and I've been perfectly happy with how the 770s sound so I might get those again, but I'm curious if the audio gurus here might have alternative suggestions for similar budget I should look at or if theres an obvious step up I should consider if I'm willing to spend more.

unique wind
#

closed vs open back is more of a concern if you have a loud environment moreso than other people hearing your music

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but if you tell us what country you’re from and what your budget is that’ll help us give you a suggestion

gilded scaffold
#

Canada, budget is somewhat flexible. Don't wanna go completely wild with 1k+ headphones, but I would at least consider looking at things in the 500 range (although I'd be most comfortable sticking in the 200ish range where the 770s live). [numbers in cad]

rough jolt
#

maybe higher

leaden cloak
#

lower you mean

rough jolt
leaden cloak
#

Then you are wrong

lean grove
#

Yeah who's this pokelij clown

light raven
#

Hey anyone willing to go into a vc and listen to two mics I have to see which one is better

dry stratus
leaden cloak
#

id put most of those at a 0

dry stratus
#

I don't see a reason for 0 for all of them

leaden cloak
#

True

dry stratus
#

I do see a reason for delta air above raycon tho

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basically no sound > raycon

leaden cloak
#

how i feel when i see a youtuber i like sponsoring raycon

dry stratus
weak rapids
#

Tbf though like do you really need audiophile earbuds to listen to music in public when theres a fuck ton of noise already

dry stratus
#

I mean, do you want to hear more than low quality bass?

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if yes, then the answer is "yes"

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"" because they are just properly tuned consumer TWS instead of "I see bass boost, I click"

leaden cloak
#

i use beats fit pros everyday and i find them reasonable

leaden cloak
#

now compare that to the big dog raycon

leaden cloak
#

B A S S

dry stratus
#

youtube ads: "balanced sound"

leaden cloak
#

"better than airpods"

dry stratus
leaden cloak
#

im not telling you so i dont have to use them

dry stratus
leaden cloak
#

all of the money

molten lotus
#

everything

dry stratus
#

raycon user's youtube colors:

unique wind
#

raycon earbuds are the equivalent of using a TV on vivid bestbuy sales floor picture mode

lean grove
#

I've eaten at least five raycons earbuds and I feel fine idk what you guys are on about

unique wind
#

what flavor were they

lean grove
#

Battery

cinder flax
#

Mhhh. Love that sparkly after-taste of Lithium 😋

lean grove
#

It helps me think better

honest hearth
#

Anyone have insight on AirPod pro max two?

#

Mind broke and apple asking 300 to fix.. so I'll use my bang and Ol H9 until new AirPod pro max

void reef
#

Are the phillips fidelio X2HRs some good Low-Impedence Headphones in their price range?

rough jolt
#

no

weak rapids
#

The sound was fine but tbf I barely used them

#

The problem was they kept fucking turning off

unique wind
#

probably sounded better than raycon earbuds

molten lotus
unique wind
#

id like to try grados just because they’re so different looking

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with some treble peak eq correction

molten lotus
rough jolt
#

are they very resolving tho

fallow tide
#

What turntable should I use if I want records to suffer minimal wear? Nothing super insanely expensive either. I currently use a innovative technology turntable which is a crappy ceramic cartridge one.

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I prefer usb as well, I mainly listen to records through my pc.

rough jolt
#

Uturn orbit is the cheapest table that I would recommend if you don't want your records damaged

molten lotus
#

Something with a high compliance arm

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and a microline stylus

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which matters more than the turntable itself

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by a long shot

fallow tide
#

I wonder if I can get something or make something similar to the elp laser turntable.

molten lotus
#

I doubt it honestly

#

don't think it would have costed 20k if you could do it diy

molten lotus
lean grove
#

Dust exists 🤔

weak rapids
#

person: yo my friend gave me his old $300 mic for free
Klaus: you just wasted you're money

bitter hollow
#

people used to play records with like 15g of tracking force or something

weak rapids
#

tf best buy

molten lotus
weak rapids
#

ik I did i was just making a joke

restive rivet
#

Hey. I have a question that sounds interesting to do but I don't want to fry anything in trying it

If I plugged in a Jack to Jack wire from my Monitors Headphone slot to my Motherboards Microphone port, would I be able to route my monitors audio to the PC and have it pick up?
Reposting in here because I somehow ended up posting this in the wrong channel

violet heron
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just give it a shot

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it only takes a few minutes to set up

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if you're on windows, I believe a voice recorder is preinstalled

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then play some kind of audio and see if it picks it up nicely

restive rivet
#

I'm on Linux Mint currently.
Thinking about it I don't know if I have a jack to jack wire, but I do have a jack in jack out wire and a Jack to USB-C adapter I could try. My PC has a USB-C slot

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But overall, it's not going to fry anything if i try this?

violet heron
#

unlikely

restive rivet
#

That's good.

#

I'll test it out then
That might have to wait, I cannot for the life of me find where it's at

violet heron
#

if you've ever tried before, your speakers or headphones can also act like a microphone if you plug the speakers into the microphone jack

fallow tide
#

Is the original AT-LP120-USB still worth it?

#

Not the X version of the turntable.

#

Also yes I know it has some minor things that were fixed in the X version.

#

Also can the older version use newer cartridges?

lean grove
#

🤨

lean grove
#

In 2010 a guy drew it for me on a tf2 server

molten lotus
#

based

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what is it supposed to be

leaden cloak
#

Where did you get that picture

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Hm. Yeah that looks like it

#

Good job

tribal tendon
#

I need new desktop speakers.
I am currently using $15 generic usb powered speakers.

Could I use a portable Bluetooth speaker plugged in through AUX (from desktop headphone jack) for Desktop sound?

unique wind
#

if it works it works

tribal tendon
#

I don't have a bluetooth speaker yet. Just trying to find a decent solution. Im not in the USA so the selection is limited.

gloomy cave
#

Okay so I bought some used Senheisser HD25 Plus headphones for only £50. Got then today and thru sound good from the very basic tests I ran. The padding is very soft and could do with replacing soon but overall, o think I did well!

oak bluff
#

Hey yall, does anyone here have a true surround sound system for PC?

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I dont mean like a living room system

#

PC only??

dawn ice
#

if you want good stage with speakers youll need a lot of room treatment

#

so a much easyer way is headphones

#

your results with speakers will also depend a lot on the room youre starting off in

#

if it has really bad acoustics theres only so much you can do

unique wind
#

it doesn’t really matter for a sim game setup

#

you’re just looking for directional audio not audiophile stereo music setup quality

molten lotus
#

surround audio isn't useful for anything but for movies

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and gaming

dry stratus
#

real surround for gaming

oak bluff
#

I spent a big penny over the years into a TOP tier gaming rig with premium displays. But what can I do to achieve surround sound? Any/all recommendations highly appreciated!

molten lotus
#

Speakers are generally bad for gaming so I never bothered looking into surround

dry stratus
#

do speakers with directional sound exist, lel

molten lotus
#

Your game engine generally saturates audio to sound different from different directions so speakers are generally not as good

molten lotus
dawn ice
#

well, id try headphones at first and see if that satisfies you

molten lotus
#

Yeah I wouldn't recommend investing in surround

molten lotus
#

2.1 is the way to go

dry stratus
#

never bothered with the idea of speakers, big, often ugly, and can't really put it on basically any volume with thin ass walls

dawn ice
#

what have you tried?

molten lotus
#

This

oak bluff
#

😭

dawn ice
#

nah speakers are mega based

#

there just hard to do right since room acoustics mean more then the speakers them selves

dry stratus
#

and the right building

dawn ice
#

basically

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how much are you looking to spend bro

oak bluff
#

Did not even think about a budget

molten lotus
#

If headphones don't satisfy you, you either have speakers worth 500$ at minimum or didn't try good headphones

dry stratus
#

says gaming = just get a used HD800

molten lotus
#

which if you are asking for surround the case is probably the latter

molten lotus
#

holo may dac

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and ask someone else for an amplifier I don't know much about high end speaker amps

oak bluff
molten lotus
oak bluff
#

500 per speaker?

molten lotus
#

Susvaras if too expensive

dry stratus
oak bluff
#

Ouch

dry stratus
#

below that is still mostly considered high end, even up to 4k by some

oak bluff
#

Ok, lmao

#

Mid tier 😅

#

?

molten lotus
#

Well I need a more numeric budget

dry stratus
#

mid tier probably like 300-1200 or so

#

what is it going to be used for anyway

molten lotus
#

Yeah what will you use the headphones mainly for

oak bluff
#

500-2000 yea thats the max i guess

molten lotus
#

hmm

oak bluff
molten lotus
#

no music?

dry stratus
#

I'll say HD800 for gaming, idk about movie cuz of lacking bass

molten lotus
#

second hand aryas or he1k maybe

#

would be pretty good if he could find an arya v1

oak bluff
#

Well music, i dont rly listen to infront of the pc

molten lotus
#

Hd800 then maybe

dry stratus
#

at least it is the best headphone for gaming

molten lotus
#

Ask @summer flicker for chain pairings

#

I don't know what particular amps and dacs are good for hd800 sub 2k

oak bluff
dawn ice
#

get it off amazon so you can return it if you dont like them

molten lotus
#

hd800 doesn't have a ton of bass

molten lotus
#

its good quality bass though

dawn ice
#

think it will give you a much better experience then the headphones you tried before

dry stratus
#

wouldn't want a lot of bass for gaming

dawn ice
#

i wouldnt run hd800 for racing sims man

molten lotus
#

why dt900 and not like xs

dawn ice
#

the engines are gonna sound ass

#

i mean, xs deffo an option as well

#

dt900 just a lot cheaper and has better imaging

dry stratus
molten lotus
#

Just for immersion

dry stratus
#

I mean, the only genre I can think of is like FPS and similar where headphones can do anything

molten lotus
#

Tbh id recommend 2.1 over headphones for racing sims

#

i didn't know he was using it for sims

dry stratus
#

meze 99 + darkvoice + denafrips, just make it sound like honey

molten lotus
#

nothing is going to feel like a bass shaker or a dedicated sub to emulate the feeling of a rumbling engine

#

I don't know much about subs though

#

Michael can help with that better

summer flicker
#

ok pls

dawn ice
summer flicker
#

dont buy expensive headphones for gaming

#

it barely matters

dry stratus
#

they aren't expensive

#

used HD800 only like 550-850

summer flicker
#

yeah no.

#

get hd560

dawn ice
#

i wouldnt run hd800 for racing

dry stratus
#

why HD560 and not a beyer, lel

summer flicker
#

doesnt actually matter

#

kus its easy to drive

oak bluff
dawn ice
#

dt900/dt700 are very easy to drive as well

#

they run perfectly off meizu

molten lotus
rough jolt
#

DT900 and DT700 sound like wimpy ass tho

molten lotus
#

Who said sims

summer flicker
#

whatever is easily eaccesible and comfortable

dawn ice
oak bluff
#

Idl lol

rough jolt
#

I sure have

dawn ice
#

there actually good

dry stratus
#

someone needs HE1 for gaming

rough jolt
#

They are not

molten lotus
#

Hd800 definitely for min maxing tbh

summer flicker
#

way past the point of min maxing

molten lotus
#

If you have too much money to spend on a gaming setup

#

Why not

dawn ice
#

imagine getting he1 instead of shang snr

summer flicker
#

i can tell you for a fact that gaming audio is a massive meme for the most part

rough jolt
#

straight up 560S is peak gaming headphone

#

comfortable, lasts forever, well tuned

dawn ice
#

560s has peak 3 blob imaging

dry stratus
#

you wouldn't buy a gaming headset for gaming
all they do is blast bass (and headphones, is the last thing you would upgrade, first thing after PC would probably be mouse and display)

molten lotus
#

hd560s doesn't even have good imaging

rough jolt
#

You don't need good imaging to play games

molten lotus
#

id get r70x or dt880 or k612

dawn ice
#

there good, but deffo not the best pick for gaming

#

i mean, thats fair, deffo dont need it for all games

#

yo, r70 would actually be nice for racing sims i bet

oak bluff
#

What if you’re not playing competitive games, and just want amazing audio for pleasure?

rough jolt
#

R70x grainy as shit and more expensive

dawn ice
#

r70 need a good amp

molten lotus
#

It has great imaging

rough jolt
#

r70x don't need an amp for shit

dry stratus
molten lotus
summer flicker
#

audio engines do an incredible job on their own with Audiovisual directional cues to the point where they just dont actually need the aid of a super competent headphone. Tone is about the only thing id seriously consider for gaming and even then its iffy because games will be mastered differently

molten lotus
#

r70x scales a fuck ton

rough jolt
#

nah it doesn't

oak bluff
#

Studio monitors be the next best choice?

molten lotus
molten lotus
dawn ice
dry stratus
#

800$ isn't overkill anyway...
when you get deep into audio it isn't even about value, but getting 2% for 500% the cost

summer flicker
#

i have yet to see that demonstrated in any reasonable manner. i have no idea why people think imaging will help with audiovisual cues. That doesnt add up.

rough jolt
molten lotus
#

why is the top monitor so high up

dry stratus
#

800$ in total for audio ain't much

dry stratus
#

that's a midrange headphone with budget/midrange amp/dac

molten lotus
#

Go try playing games with a sundara see how that goes lmao

rough jolt
#

I play games with campfire satsuma just fine

molten lotus
#

You can't tell whether people are infront of you or behind you

rough jolt
#

it literally doesn't matter

molten lotus
#

It helps

#

It isn't necessary but it definitely helps

rough jolt
#

I really don't think it does

oak bluff
#

So? How is it?

dry stratus
#

neither of the two, lel

molten lotus
#

You have hd800 ofc it doesn't matter according to you

#

you just haven't tried badly imaging headphones for gaming

rough jolt
summer flicker
#

ive compared hd800s, to some other headphones available to me at the time, to some iems. i found that on average they did not change much in accuracy, because, again. The engine is doing the heavy lifting. You can usually tell exactly where something is in most games, with basically anything.

molten lotus
#

The engine changes

#

If x engine handles directional saturation good it doesn't mean the next one will

dry stratus
#

I am neither, but sure

rough jolt
#

what kind of hyper competitive games with shit audio engines are you playing

molten lotus
#

Source has a shit audio engine for one and you need good imaging headphones to actually tell whether people are ahead or behind you

#

I don't

#

But even 5 seconds was enough to tell how big of a difference there was between a good imaging headphones vs a bad one for a game with barely saturates audio engine

dry stratus
#

I am not a gamer, I wouldn't do it
I would rather just put 15k to a susvara at some point, lel

molten lotus
#

And I don't even play competitively

summer flicker
#

to top everything off, most game audio is compressed as shit because guess what, audio file sizes are fucking huge

molten lotus
#

That doesn't matter

summer flicker
#

so its not like its gonna get much leverage out of your headphones quality

#

it absolutely does

rough jolt
#

Give me an example of a game where you would actually want good imaging headphones because the audio engine is shit

molten lotus
#

I could add directionality to 10khz audio files if I wanted to

summer flicker
#

thats nonsense.

molten lotus
#

I could

summer flicker
#

theres an incredible loss of detail

molten lotus
#

You don't understand how audio engines work

summer flicker
#

how do they work champ

dry stratus
#

unless you consider barely 20 hours in 2-3 months "a gamer"
no releases, lel

molten lotus
#

they saturate audio based on enemy positions

summer flicker
#

and how is this acomplished champ

#

through

#

compression

molten lotus
#

if they don't saturate the fuck out of it like r6 and ron then you will need good headphones

#

which the source engine doesn't for one

rough jolt
#

Who the fuck is still playing games that run on the source engine

molten lotus
#

like

lean grove
#

Competitive Gmod

molten lotus
#

the majority of the pc community

summer flicker
#

files compressed, aint gonna benefit from your headphones characteristics, however, if the engine is good enough, which most are, will provide good enough directionality on most devices

molten lotus
#

cs go is literally the most played game on steam

#

tf2 has been in the top 10 for 13 years

rough jolt
summer flicker
#

which is why, theres no much of a discernible difference going from shit tier iems to high end spacious headphones with good imaging and layering

dry stratus
molten lotus
molten lotus
#

Valorant isn't on steam

summer flicker
molten lotus
#

And also has a shit audio engine

summer flicker
#

because files are compressed

rough jolt
#

You said "the majority of the pc community"

molten lotus
rough jolt
#

Valorant is only on PC

molten lotus
#

I did

rough jolt
#

additionally

molten lotus
#

and the number 2 position is still the fucking majority

rough jolt
#

Have you seen

#

the kind of headphone

#

that CS GO pros actually use

molten lotus
#

yes, sponsored items

summer flicker
#

you can keep repeating that with 0 evidence to back it up and 0 reasoning. and i can keep giving you my reasoning and telling you ive done extensive a/b testing

#

this is going nowhere

molten lotus
#

or items they will go into tournaments with

dry stratus
#

was someone else asking for something mainly used for gaming
so I said HD800 is currently the best for gaming (even if a beyer or similar would be like 95% there)

molten lotus
#

if your a/b testing is between headphones that image well then that testing literally doesn't matter

rough jolt
#

Literally I can A/B between Campfire Satsuma an HD800S

#

It makes nearly 0 difference

molten lotus
#

a shit headphone does not mean it images badly

rough jolt
#

It Images like ass

#

if it makes you feel any better I can toss on my 560S

dry stratus
#

grab a razer kraken (your average gamer's audio source)

molten lotus
#

I haven't heard that headphone so I can't comment on it

summer flicker
#

you dont have to take it from me anyways, go ask most hobby veterans. headphones for gaming is a literal running joke in the audiophile space

molten lotus
#

But between sundara, 400se, r70x, hd560s and other entry level items there is a huge difference in gaming performance depending on game

summer flicker
#

you get literally banned if you bring it up in certain discords

lean grove
molten lotus
#

But it doesn't matter they all have equivalent performance

#

I also don't think headphones matter for gaming

#

But there are definitely performance differences between one another

#

Before you pay attention to audio to deduce location you will use your eyes and reflexes

dry stratus
#

spending the big money on headphones is something you would do once you're already at custom keyboard (or one of the top end consumer stuff), M2K, 240/360hz display and at least i7+3080 anyway
at which point all improvement lies within the headphones (even if 1%)

rough jolt
#

That's why 560S was recommended

oak bluff
#

Damn, i only asked for recommendations. Not a call to open a debate…

white gate
oak bluff
#

Lol, thank you all for your feedback though

white gate
#

A few pics from a London meetup from the other day. Pics were taken by Alan aka 'MasterZen' on Head-Fi. They're too good not to share

dry stratus
#

If we are talking about what one needs
just some IEM
that's what the pros do anyway
IEM and gaming headset sponsor over it

summer flicker
molten lotus
#

I agree

white gate
#

I can find out

#

He brought a Leica monochrome to the last one and those pics were gorgeous

#

lemme find em

molten lotus
#

But if he wants to spend a lot then there is that option

haughty moon
#

really nice pics ... people looks like models on there

white gate
haughty moon
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totally

white gate
dry stratus
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for me, I am only at 1300$ custom keeb, 4k120 TV and finalmouse poseidon attached to a PC that I want to upgrade in the upcoming year or so (once 7950/7990xtx or 4090TI release)

white gate
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I imagine there's some post processing

broken maple
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it better not be mx lmao

dry stratus
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I am the opposite
one of those who does it right the first time basically (even if overkill, rather spend a lot than repeatedly buy midrange)

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yes

bitter hollow
summer flicker
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hd800 is always an option for gaming. Because its nice and light and has big cups and can be eqd with gigabass. Not because itl make you any better at video games

dry stratus
bitter hollow
# broken maple its not

There's a difference between doing some groupbuys and sticking some switches in things you ordered from a store with stock

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And actual custom stuff

dry stratus
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I am still at 3600x + 2080S, 32gb
want to get 7950x(3D) + 7990xtx/4090TI

broken maple
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i can guarantee you conpin does not have the ability to design his own keyboard

bitter hollow
dry stratus
broken maple
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and he just said his keycaps take up about 700 of its value lmao

broken maple
dry stratus
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already said it a while ago anyway, just alu caps on an AV4

white gate
bitter hollow
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How do you think designers work

summer flicker
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hd800 benefits for gaming:
Doesnt exist on your head
Is unbreakable under normal use case
can be relatively easily driven
pads wear really slowly
parts easy to replace
placebo will make you play better

bitter hollow
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You give them money
They design something

broken maple
white gate
dry stratus
summer flicker
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yeah theres that. but you can always eq that in if you want that shit

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it can be really fun for certain games

dry stratus
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which is the whole thing against gaming headsets anyway

summer flicker
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racing sim games with nice bass is always fun

dry stratus
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IEM + gaming headset over it = professional setup

summer flicker
#

best racing sim audio setup is speakers though. 1000%

unique wind
lean grove
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There's some funny shenanigans you can do with phase as well

unique wind
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and a nice avr can use processing to push sound in a specific direction

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but just get more channels if you want directional audio

dry stratus
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what does AV in AVR mean, adult vid?

lean grove
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Audio video

unique wind
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audio video receiver

dry stratus
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I thought AVR for adult vid recorder

unique wind
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i would love to try out some omnidirectional speakers

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like some ohm floorstanders

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where the sweet spot is just massive

past grotto
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anyone know the difference between the mv7 and mv7x and which one can only be used with a goxlr?

unique wind
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one has both usb and xlr and one has only xlr

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i can’t remember which is which

past grotto
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can usb input work with the go xlr?

unique wind
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the point of the usb connection is to not need the goxlr

past grotto
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o

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is it worth getting the mv7 over the x version? im no way getting the sm7b as its more expensive and has no extra benefits

unique wind
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i don’t recommend the mv7 or sm7b

past grotto
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whats better then?

unique wind
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pretty much every microphone in existence is better

molten lotus
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This

past grotto
molten lotus
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past 50$ for a mic is dumb

unique wind
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did you already buy the goxlr

molten lotus
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unless you are an incompetent sound engineer

past grotto
molten lotus
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it is also a waste to get the mini

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since you can get items that outperform it in every regard for a total of 100$

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m track solo and behringer x touch mini running midi mixer software

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no idea

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I can listen to some demos at best

slim mason
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Ah its that, those are actually quite good

molten lotus
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If anything it looks pretty good

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i generally love the popped out diaphragm type of mic designs

past grotto
molten lotus
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its a pretty fair point lol

unique wind
molten lotus
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behringer c1 if you can

past grotto
molten lotus
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its too much for that thing

slim mason
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I'd love it if diy perks made his mic a purchaseable kit

past grotto
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not christ expensive though

molten lotus
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also its directly worse than what I recommend you

slim mason
molten lotus
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So you actually use any of the shelves

unique wind
molten lotus
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Same

slim mason
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Too complicated for me

molten lotus
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also because it looks great

past grotto
molten lotus
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The thing below the biamplified direct field text

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that graph

slim mason
molten lotus
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with the speaker's treble/bass settings or some other eq

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like room correction and stuff

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ah

past grotto
molten lotus
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it makes it so the mic only activates from your voice

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and not from keyboard and mouse clicks

past grotto
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oh i dont like that shit

molten lotus
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you have to use one lol

slim mason
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Here you can see it on the right side of the pic, dont have a better pic atm

past grotto
molten lotus
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if you use a keyboard or mouse it will be super audible

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your breathing too

slim mason
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Ty

past grotto
molten lotus
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unless you want to sound like a mouth breather then you will need one

slim mason
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Gotta admit it looks like shit atm because I did some upgrades and havent cleaned

molten lotus
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Oh I thought you would use it for streaming/recording

dry stratus
molten lotus
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Then it may not matter as much

molten lotus