#audio-tech
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currently theres a bit of a draught in the 500-1k price tag
yup
most dacts in this area just sound the same
a bit is an understatement
I've got my eyes on the vmv d1se
realistically, buying a dac above zen one is gonna make you pay 10x more for a 5% gain, which is probably best case scenario
5 to 10%
its only really when you get past that and you start toying with things like Callia, Soekris 2541, and the more upper echelon pro dacs do you start to see some stark differences
maybe, ive not tried any end game dac's properly
ill probs just stick with das703es for my dac
dont see a point in going past it
dc2 is the best dac ive heard so far
its claim to fame ironically enough is crazy macrodynamics
the thing is extremely agressive
relatively wide staging
u shape tone
for me, the 2 best ones that i got to properly try are yggy and das703
both of which i own atm lol
tho will likely sell yggy in the long run
yggy used to be the big thing in macrydynamics before dc2 came and blew the competition out of the water iirc
i say 'came', but its more like 'was found out'
but ye, gonna either look for an amp or just cop an ar15 with the money i get from yggy lol
honestly i think solid states cap out pretty early.
maybe
like 1-2k ish
i havent tried many high end amps
Well assuming you have a pair of headphones that you like, that's a 5% gain you're not gonna find anywhere else
theres the zahl memes though
i mean, yes, if you want the best sound you can possibly get, then spending a lot on the dac is going to give you that
but its just not cost effective
i heard good things about those if you have an infinite wallet
audiophiles spending 4 figures on dacs for a 5% improvement but dissing people who spend more than $100 on a microphone
nah thats deffo out of my budget
hsa-1b is already a stretch
maybe ill get another vintage meme idk
yup
if you buy that and you don’t have a 6 figure income 
youre either extremely into audio or just clout chasing
either way it’s a poor financial decision unless you make 6 figures
yeah. the hobby in general is just poor financial decisions one after the other
it’s okay it’s fun
most people ought to be able to content themselves with a 560s through a dongle imo
theyre okay
real goat is xs
i find my he400se piercing even though they have smooth treble frequency response so i don’t know what to believe anymore
good for the price, prefer hd6x0 line personally but i just dont believe it holds up super well through a dongle so you need some source investment
it is defintely far more natural though
the 6x0 line that is
yes it has annoying as fuck treble
560s is a little better in that regard
its still hot in the treble though
6x0 line smooth as butter in that region
what would you recommend for something that doesn’t have annoying treble but has more bass than sennys
price tag?
sub 1k
xs
cant comment on xs
hard for me to believe xs doesn’t have annoying treble with all the frequency response peaks it has
xs is the best tuned hifiman currently for sale
its treble tuning is literally a rollercoaster
its still a tiny bit brighter then harman, but not much, and the treble is never shouty or piercing
it’s up and down 5db peaks
at least off a decent amp
past like, 5k, measurments dont really mean much
since the rigs cant really measure them properly
or is it 10k i forget
10k iirc
either way, xs treble doesnt feel peaky
lcd2 pre fazor is downright dark. but has some of the best bass pre 1k
that 100% depends on your rng lol
emu teak has a little bit of an agressive treble curve, but has again some of the best bass pre 1k
they remade the headphone with new drivers essentially
so would you mean the lcd2 classic
nope
not at all
that headphone is beyond dogshit
i know its confusing
lcd2.2 i think theyre called officially
is pre fazor
emu teak is more accessible if you are wary about buying used
some lcd2c's can be great
It's weird how they say the lcd2 was supposed to be a copy of the pre fazor
some are trash
just like literally every audeze
it all depends on your luck of the draw
since they got insane driver variation
lcd2c i dont think has the same unit variance memes
i had a pretty well measuring unit
it still sounded like ass
i doubt it, there driver variaton basically comes from there inability to tension there drivers properly
i highly doubt that they lost the tech half way through making headphones lol

paying that much for a lottery of quality is wack
yah, this is why i never recommend audeze
ive heard some unicorns, lcd3 ive had to try for a couple of days was particularly sweet
thing about audeze is theyre pretty flexible to eq
but like, its basically a lottery in terms of what you get
theyre chameleons
youre not going to eq out poor driver tension
i also kind of want these beauts https://www.linsoul.com/products/tangzu-x-hbb-wu-heyday
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another one with good bass but god awful treble, which can be eq'd out as its an eq chameleon is hd800. stock tuning is awful, it its very susceptible to eq. will take a large ass bass shelf like an absolute champ
i got jabaited in to buying a shit lcdx a while back, you honestly cant eq out a turd
f
the shop i bought them from back in the day keeps a really old lcd-x that im certain they hand picked to audition, to bate people in to buying them lol
they also had a golden 2pf
i doubt the shop cares that much
most people that go inside an audio store already knows what theyre buying
i mean, both the cans were suspiciously old, sounded really good, and they were reluctant to let me demo there newer stock
so it was pretty sus
it was a small shop
i reckon the ones that they put on display are not exactly ones they paid for
maybe
but i could be wrong
either way, unless youre 100% sure youre buying a unicorn, audeze is not a smart buy
you can be with used ones
as they give you the fr graph with the box
you can just ask
if you trust the seller then yah
just steal ones from a show
plenty better shit to steal lol
tru
my next audio purchase is probably another set of speakers because i’m still using dogshit at my desk
put my jamo c93s on my tv setup
noic
but yeah unfortunately when it comes to neutral tone headphones theres really not much out there with good bass
emu teak gets pretty close
still hot in the treble though
maybe less hot than 560s
if memory serves me well
i’m probably stuck with iems forever
iem bass is just not my thing
its limp beyond belief, probably due to the sound being directly shot in your ears
0 sense of rumble
0 tactility
actually pretty decently neutral
little bit of a dip in the mids unfortunately
which will translate to slightly harsher treble
but not by much
either way the bass is 
whats also convenient is the thing will run fine off a dongle
iem bass sounds pretty similar to subwoofer bass to me it’s just localized to your ears
isn't that just a shared feature of any half decent planar
even lcd2c which is shit can become decent with eq
though its not worth buying one for all of the things you can't eq out
not always. gotta be careful with that
yeah but not the one in the XS it already has distortion out of box
for example?
try eqing any of the abyss headphones lol
I wouldn't think of spending 5k on cans to fucking eq them
ananda has crazy bass distortion and the xs is just a cheaper bass boosted ananda
they probably eq on average better than DDs though
dds you gotta be extra careful
real
as in to not damage the driver or ruin audio
well then you just live with the god awful tuning

well, to not damage the driver its both dds and planars
I don't believe in this
you can easily tear a fat ass hole in your driver with too large a bass shelf
on which headphones
people get on discord trying to show people clips of their drivers vibrating
my dt770 completely fall apart with any bass shelf
and they pop their shit
but nah what i mostly meant was for audio reasons
a lot of headphones just dont take well to an eq
I am saying you can eq things out of reasonable without blowing your shit
keep in mind bass can be very distorted without being audibly fucked
eq has its clear limits audio wise
subwoofers can run at like 10% thd
but driver healthy wise I have not seen examples of shit dying
for the same reason that you can brek your headphones if you play them too loudly, you can break them with too agressive an eq
I absolutely agree
so you could be damaging your drivers without hearing anything wrong
before you break shit they would start audibly clipping physically
which is a warning signal
it isn't that easy to blow stuff
hey ive never personally done it so i cant attest
but 1000%
ive seen people do it
you can absolutely do it
i’ve never been able to break any headphones or earbuds
it’s really easy to bottom out speakers though
but you have plenty of warnings the headphone physically gives you before it gets to that point
if the bass just starts dying
maybe you should eq less
idk mate
if the headphone sounds like its destroying itself it probably is lmao
some people pop their he6's without much warning
some headphones are just really finnicky
that's just speaker tapping stuff mostly
yeh i mean, its power right
it has some other factors related to the engineering
that makes it different from a headphone amp
like
either way, i was talking mostly about the audio side
it should be safe but it can totally go wrong too
some headphones take noticably better to a solid bass eq
yeah I agree with everything you said regarding that
while others you have to like
either force them out of it with massive eqs or just live with it
yeah some you just have to adjust according to what the driver can handle
hence why crinacle autoeq is a fucking meme
oh look guise -5dB dip lets just add +5dB
ASR does this
amir on asr i mean
no they don't
which is nice
they really don't
they do
nah
you can say nah but that’s part of their process
to correct things with eq you first need to actually be able to measure headphones good
what klaus means is you cant just adjust things by eye
or by maths
sometimes you have to work around it
since drivers aren't going to respond to any peak eq the way it shows on a graph
its going to vary
yeh likeu cant just go like oh theres a -5 dip here ill just do +5 and call it a day, sometimes you gotta adjust whats around the dip instead of the dip itself
like
I assure you
calculated eq does not fucking look like this
nor do they have any graphs for an error curve or anything
unlike oratory and the entirety of headphone autoeq project
well at least he is aware of it
also droop
i mean thats a big reason why amir is such a meme
yeah
he will evaluate headphones while fully realizing he has huge variance issues
the rest is probably about him proclaiming that dacs that all measure linearly but with like 0.001 less thd is better than another
i dont really understand why he thinks its useful information to anybody to evaluate a headphone when you have notable gaps in your mounting
its probably the ears measurement rig
I don't know how you can mess it up like this otherwise
I have seen better measurements on ears
than this
good question. hes got a full ass rig
thats a pretty good rig iirc
same
hes just an idiot i guess
maybe they don't clamp enough because the rig is not wide enough or something
I don't know
if it wa a single instance then yeah sure
it is double sided but still
this happens ona regular basis with him
it may just be me but the rig just seems slimmer than the human head
lmao
do you know when the new rig is dropping btw
the one everyone was talking about
no idea
with the convoluted fucking name
hello
Hey yall, i got a pair of sennhieser hd 6xx headphones and was looking for a amp to pair them with, i am new to the audiophile gig so id like something with a good price and can get the full quality of my headset
I do play games so if you can as extra points, point me to a eq that may help with games like cod (i use the Peace eq)
Schiit is a good brand to start out with.
And an EQ will not help you be better at games.
Better audio for quieter sounds like footstpes
Steps*
So would the magni 3 be decent?
that wont really help
yeah there’s not really any way to eq headphones that gives you an advantage
and many pro players use absolutely terrible gaming headsets or shitty earbuds
6xx on its own should be more than enough
alright, then would a amp still be reccomended or just keep what i have where its 3.5mm to type c
if you got a dongle then its got an amp built in to it
a more legit dedicated amp will help tho
would look at the ifi zen dac for an all in 1 solution, should be a good upgrade over a random dongle
Apple dongle is great
looked simple to use too
i know, i have no issue with it but i hear you can get more from a headset with a full amp
well zen dac should improve things
it wont matter at all for gaming
its more of a dac then an amp, but it also has a p aight amp built in to it
sennys dont need much amping so should be fine for them
i see
ive heard a lot of mid impressions of schiits super budget stuff so would avoid personally
Idk man, like i said, im new so i need some judgement from others to help me out
best way to figure this kind of stuff out is to go in to a hifi store and try some of there stuff out
get a short list from people online on what to check out and head on over :p
the only issue i have with my schiit iemagni is that it has a scratchy analogue pot but it’s not a big deal
schiit is selling silver magni3+ b-stock for $80 on their site
and jotunheims with dac modules for $300
is that new?
jot2 with a dac for 300 would deffo be my pick if i didnt have an amp/dac at all
the jot is b stock as well
its not meant for high power stuff, its for highly sensitive stuff and is pretty good for that
where do you see it
yeah i know
it’s a jot “r”
he is asking for the 6xx though so I don't recommend it
not sure what the suffix means
mmm, yah, idk how r differs from the stock one
i didnt even know there were a non lcd-r/raal specific jot r
idk i feel like they goofed and didnt put the ''raal only'' disclaimer on one of the jot r's
asgard with dac module for $300 is nice too but it’s not an american plug
ur buggin
nah its for sure better then apple dongle lol
the integrated dacs are actually not bad
at least the v1 wasnt bad
its barely better lol
same goes for all dacs
apple dongle gets you 90% of the way there
a decent $100 dac is 95%
then you spend four figures to reach 100%
that is literally because modi 3+ is barely better than an apple dongle
and afaik the asgard integrated also uses the same chip
my bad
idk if to put here or #cars but does this subwoofer seem ok for $215?
I believe it's only 100watts or some thing
@lunar jackal
Built in dacs modules from schiit are goofy.
No reason not to just get a modi
Also the dongle only puts out 1 volt rather than the 2 volts of a modi
soundblaster dongle is 2v line out
🤢
paying 600 dollars for a 600 series headphone is wild
it does have more bass though which is cool
This site has much better options, I just linked to full sub/amp combos for convenience, but take a look around.
https://www.crutchfield.com/g_208250/Bass-Packages.html
hey guys good evening
does anyone know what mics ltt uses to shoot vids?
specifically the boom mics they use
They're worse than the rest too
660 is considerably worse than the 6x0 line
which is 580, 600, 650
It’s a weird release
And they supposedly made a new 560s I think it was that was slightly worse
unfortunately for them that's not much
I am having a very weird issue. My microphone volume in discord swings wildly from quiet to loud, without me touching anything. Every few minutes it just goes loud or quiet and stays like that for a while. I don't have anything like automatic gain control on, the windows device volume doesn't change either.
My setup is an AT2020 XLR microphone with a Behringer UMC-22 audio interface. Both are about 4-5 years old.
have you tried replacing the USB cable for your interface
sometimes that causes some issues
or a different port entirely
also go into your device properties and make sure everything is set right
also isolate whether it's just discord or your entire mic
if it's just discord it has something to do withbyour discord settings
It's definitely the mic or the interface. I switched to using my webcam mic for a few days and the issue went away.
I tried a different port but not a different cable. It's a USB A style cable, so I don't have a spare.
I'd find it difficult to believe the cable is responsible for the volume issue given it's a digital signal, not analog.
I've had cables literally make me sound like darth vader
either way switching to Webcam mic doesn't isolate the variable of whether it's discord or not, could just be that the settings are fine foe that mic and not the other. you need to record yourself talking outside of discord
yo thanks I appreciate it
No problem at all, good luck
I know nothing about sound and shit but the MTX TNP212DV Bass Package Includes TNE212DV ported enclosure (with two 12" subs) and TNA500D 500-watt mono amp sounds ok
MTX was a pretty good brand for subwoofers back when I was doing car audio. So you should be good with that.
in installing it in 2001 nissan xterra lol
so i dont need amazing quality
i just love bass
inb4 mtx jackhammer
I have every automatic adjustment turned off. If it's discord at that point then discord is just broken.
its possible it's a toggle setting messing with your shit
discord plugins are more finicky than you think
either way make sure ur device properties are set properly via ur control panel sound settings
could be a sampling issue
yo, need help decidind wireless gaming headset
curious, does any know any bluetooth headphones (with a mic) that is just generally good enough sounding with good enough mic?
the device i want to use it on is on the iphone and ipad.
i want to be able to VC/call with needing to worry if i sound muffles or just mic sound so shit, which is the case for the airpods. great quality audio but the mic is so shit.
currently im looking at the logitech vibe 100 but anyone has other recommendation?
any thoughts on the ie40pros?
im trying to pick up some cheap iems
around 50-100 USD
i live in china so i can source a lot of stuff quite easily
is there any wireless earbud more comfortable for sleep than 1more comfortbud mini?
comfortbud mini is quite small but im a side sleeper, its still quite uncomfortable after like 3 or 4 hours
tried sleephone, was uncomfortable after just 10 mins
Hi, can some one recommend me some over ear wireless headphones for 100-150$? the recent one I own broke and was looking to buy new ones
get sennheiser 560s
wirless is not a smart buy
same concern, need gaming wireless headphones, but my budget is around $200
dt880 250ohm or tygr 300r with a meizu dongle if you want good imaging
I want to get tws that can easily switch between device without having to go disconect and connect everytime (or better connect to both at once), is there something I could look for or any cheap recommendations?
Does anyone has a good recomendation for a 200ish€ wireless headphone, I was looking forward to having noise cancelling and a good level of confort
if you want noise canceling, get beyer dt700 pro
wirless is cope
but if you dont need noise canceling, then go for the above mentioned
or he400se with meizu dongle
is that one wireless?
no, it wired
oof
but theres a reason why anyone that has experience with audio gear will never recommend wirless stuff
its just substancially inferior
yeah i know
But I am fine with getting a hit at sound quality
I just cant stand the cable
counterpoint I cant swallow wired buds
its not a small hit to audio quallity
youre basically paying 200e for audio quallity thats on par with a 10e wired product
you can
I think you might be exacerbate a little bit
im actually not lol
you can get wired iem's for 10$ that will be on par with all the wirless consumer memes
gets some moondrop chu's for 17$ and watch them beat all the wirless crap you can throw at them if youre curious
there might be some outliers that could come down to a prefference pick
like airpod pros maybe
are we talking purely iem or also headphones
could be both
He isn't unfortunately
I mean focal bathys are damn near perfect to my ear
yes they are expensive
but they are wireless
oh yah, i forgot about those
they might be good idk, ive not tried them yet
i imagine there very similar to stellia?
havent tried those
I sure hope they arent as good since the stellia is like 5 times more expensive
i mean, stellia are wired
so makes sense
there alright, but nothing mind blowing :p
good for closed backs
tho tuning is a bit bland
id preff to run moondrip arias over them personally
Holy shit
I can get an re20 for $395 CAD and re320 for $196 CAD, my friend works at a company that owns EV and actually gets a huge discount
omg you can waste so much money
omg you can scalp 😱
Not scalping if you selling for less than what they normally cost
Yes. It is.
salnotes zero or truthear zero?
is a kraken x good value?
idk bro
It really isnt
No
HyperX cloud alpha?
it hits the same price point
is that a good value?
there isnt much under 100, especially for headsets
for headphones, cheapest id personally go are akg k361
theres also senny pc37 if you need a headset for a bit more
tho if you gotta stay at that budget then cloud 2's are probs your best bet, there one of the only consumer headsets that dont suck
hello guys. i really like the beyerdynamics 990pro. I'm mostly using it for gaming. What Amplifier would you recommend me ? I still have my Soundblaster Zx. I am not really an expert in tech-stuff. Tyvm ❤️
ifi zen dac
tyvm!

V2 is ok ?
cool. thx. can be delivered next week too. awesome!
sweet :p
I'm trying to split audio so I can use the speaker+ multiple headphones, should I plug this into my line in audio port? or line out port? I have no idea what's the difference and I think both line in and line out would work?
Well you want the audio out of your PC you want to use the line-out.
The line-in is usually meant to record stuff.
how much would u guys rate this outta 10 as an audiophile
Guys what is this thing called? a barrel with both sides are 3.5mm audio ports, somehow clears the noise signals? I need to buy more of this thing!
Ground loop isolator
thanks!
no
if you can afford the pro model you’d be better off getting the airpods pro
but otherwise i believe the pixel buds pro are 2nd place
A friend of mine told me the AirPods Pro are only worth getting if you have an iPhone
Said they sound worse on Android, but I'm not convinced of his claims
probably like a 3 if i had to guess
they're jbl so most likely not bad. but they're jbl so they're not good
3/10 in a void but when the 7hz salnotes and moondrop chu exist they become a 0
i believe they don’t sound noticeably different but the connection and software support isn’t as good on android
you won’t have access to apple’s proprietary bluetooth codec, the seamless connection, find my airpods, or the decibel estimater
but i don’t believe their tuning or noise cancelling is affected
That's good at least
So my DT 770s are starting to misbehave after 4 years and sometimes output to only one ear. While I'm gonna troubleshoot that a bit and hopefully get that working reliably again, I might be looking for a new pair. I prefer closed back (up at ungodly hours with sleeping people nearby) and I've been perfectly happy with how the 770s sound so I might get those again, but I'm curious if the audio gurus here might have alternative suggestions for similar budget I should look at or if theres an obvious step up I should consider if I'm willing to spend more.
closed vs open back is more of a concern if you have a loud environment moreso than other people hearing your music
but if you tell us what country you’re from and what your budget is that’ll help us give you a suggestion
Canada, budget is somewhat flexible. Don't wanna go completely wild with 1k+ headphones, but I would at least consider looking at things in the 500 range (although I'd be most comfortable sticking in the 200ish range where the 770s live). [numbers in cad]
like a 6/10
maybe higher
lower you mean
Check out the hd560s
No
Then you are wrong
Yeah who's this pokelij clown
Hey anyone willing to go into a vc and listen to two mics I have to see which one is better
how about 2.5/10, with raycon, razer, skullcandy being 1.2/10 and delta air being 0/10
id put most of those at a 0
I don't see a reason for 0 for all of them
True
how i feel when i see a youtuber i like sponsoring raycon
me in the comments of every video sponsored by raycon: "you aren't allowed to lie in an ad, so saying they beat far above their price with their dogshit 5000db bass boosted normie shit objectively is just wrong, even dollar store TWS beat them"
Fitmc the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft
Tbf though like do you really need audiophile earbuds to listen to music in public when theres a fuck ton of noise already
I mean, do you want to hear more than low quality bass?
if yes, then the answer is "yes"
"" because they are just properly tuned consumer TWS instead of "I see bass boost, I click"
no but if i wasnt an audio person i wouldnt want a subwoofer for headphones
i use beats fit pros everyday and i find them reasonable
now compare that to the big dog raycon
B A S S
youtube ads: "balanced sound"
"better than airpods"
when is your birthday, I'll gift you a pair of raycon
im not telling you so i dont have to use them
how much do I have to pay you to do a 24 hour livestream listening to dubstep with raycon
all of the money
everything
raycon user's youtube colors:
raycon earbuds are the equivalent of using a TV on vivid bestbuy sales floor picture mode
I've eaten at least five raycons earbuds and I feel fine idk what you guys are on about
what flavor were they
Battery
Mhhh. Love that sparkly after-taste of Lithium 😋
It helps me think better
Anyone have insight on AirPod pro max two?
Mind broke and apple asking 300 to fix.. so I'll use my bang and Ol H9 until new AirPod pro max
Are the phillips fidelio X2HRs some good Low-Impedence Headphones in their price range?
no
Honestly ive used $10 knockoff airpods
The sound was fine but tbf I barely used them
The problem was they kept fucking turning off
probably sounded better than raycon earbuds
I had a pair of grados with a blown driver that sounded better than raycon

id like to try grados just because they’re so different looking
with some treble peak eq correction
They are very resolving, low range is almost not there though
are they very resolving tho
What turntable should I use if I want records to suffer minimal wear? Nothing super insanely expensive either. I currently use a innovative technology turntable which is a crappy ceramic cartridge one.
I prefer usb as well, I mainly listen to records through my pc.
Uturn orbit is the cheapest table that I would recommend if you don't want your records damaged
Something with a high compliance arm
and a microline stylus
which matters more than the turntable itself
by a long shot
I wonder if I can get something or make something similar to the elp laser turntable.
they have laser stylus zero wear, don't know about buying one.
ELP Laser Turntable ELP Laser Turntable Official English Site Learn about the original Laser Turntable for Vinyl Records. No Contact, No Wear.
Dust exists 🤔
person: yo my friend gave me his old $300 mic for free
Klaus: you just wasted you're money
literally anything with a real cartridge is fine
people used to play records with like 15g of tracking force or something
tf best buy
You said it was 200 cad not free
ik I did i was just making a joke
Hey. I have a question that sounds interesting to do but I don't want to fry anything in trying it
If I plugged in a Jack to Jack wire from my Monitors Headphone slot to my Motherboards Microphone port, would I be able to route my monitors audio to the PC and have it pick up?
Reposting in here because I somehow ended up posting this in the wrong channel
just give it a shot
it only takes a few minutes to set up
if you're on windows, I believe a voice recorder is preinstalled
then play some kind of audio and see if it picks it up nicely
I'm on Linux Mint currently.
Thinking about it I don't know if I have a jack to jack wire, but I do have a jack in jack out wire and a Jack to USB-C adapter I could try. My PC has a USB-C slot
But overall, it's not going to fry anything if i try this?
unlikely
That's good.
I'll test it out then
That might have to wait, I cannot for the life of me find where it's at
if you've ever tried before, your speakers or headphones can also act like a microphone if you plug the speakers into the microphone jack
Is the original AT-LP120-USB still worth it?
Not the X version of the turntable.
Also yes I know it has some minor things that were fixed in the X version.
Also can the older version use newer cartridges?
🤨
In 2010 a guy drew it for me on a tf2 server
I need new desktop speakers.
I am currently using $15 generic usb powered speakers.
Could I use a portable Bluetooth speaker plugged in through AUX (from desktop headphone jack) for Desktop sound?
if it works it works
I don't have a bluetooth speaker yet. Just trying to find a decent solution. Im not in the USA so the selection is limited.
Okay so I bought some used Senheisser HD25 Plus headphones for only £50. Got then today and thru sound good from the very basic tests I ran. The padding is very soft and could do with replacing soon but overall, o think I did well!
Hey yall, does anyone here have a true surround sound system for PC?
I dont mean like a living room system
PC only??
if you want good stage with speakers youll need a lot of room treatment
so a much easyer way is headphones
your results with speakers will also depend a lot on the room youre starting off in
if it has really bad acoustics theres only so much you can do
it doesn’t really matter for a sim game setup
you’re just looking for directional audio not audiophile stereo music setup quality
real surround for gaming
I spent a big penny over the years into a TOP tier gaming rig with premium displays. But what can I do to achieve surround sound? Any/all recommendations highly appreciated!
Speakers are generally bad for gaming so I never bothered looking into surround
do speakers with directional sound exist, lel
Your game engine generally saturates audio to sound different from different directions so speakers are generally not as good
Probably if you spend a fuck ton in diffusers and shit
well, id try headphones at first and see if that satisfies you
Yeah I wouldn't recommend investing in surround
Does not
2.1 is the way to go
never bothered with the idea of speakers, big, often ugly, and can't really put it on basically any volume with thin ass walls
what have you tried?
This
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nah speakers are mega based
there just hard to do right since room acoustics mean more then the speakers them selves
and the right building
Did not even think about a budget
If headphones don't satisfy you, you either have speakers worth 500$ at minimum or didn't try good headphones
says gaming = just get a used HD800
which if you are asking for surround the case is probably the latter
in this case focal utopia evo 3
holo may dac
and ask someone else for an amplifier I don't know much about high end speaker amps
OK, what top tier headphones would you recommend?
Warick aperio
500 per speaker?
Susvaras if too expensive
"top tier" headphones are like 3000-60000$ btw
Ouch
below that is still mostly considered high end, even up to 4k by some
Well I need a more numeric budget
Yeah what will you use the headphones mainly for
500-2000 yea thats the max i guess
hmm
Gaming, movie
no music?
I'll say HD800 for gaming, idk about movie cuz of lacking bass
Well music, i dont rly listen to infront of the pc
Hd800 then maybe
at least it is the best headphone for gaming
Ask @summer flicker for chain pairings
I don't know what particular amps and dacs are good for hd800 sub 2k
And bass, yea very important, well I was browsing home theater systems, I was looking for the ones with two or more subs
as an experiment, id suggest you try to get beyerdynamic dt900 pro and an ifi zen dac
get it off amazon so you can return it if you dont like them
hd800 doesn't have a ton of bass
FACTSS
its good quality bass though
think it will give you a much better experience then the headphones you tried before
wouldn't want a lot of bass for gaming
i wouldnt run hd800 for racing sims man
why dt900 and not like xs
the engines are gonna sound ass
i mean, xs deffo an option as well
dt900 just a lot cheaper and has better imaging
do headphones even matter for racing sims
Just for immersion
I mean, the only genre I can think of is like FPS and similar where headphones can do anything
Tbh id recommend 2.1 over headphones for racing sims
i didn't know he was using it for sims
meze 99 + darkvoice + denafrips, just make it sound like honey
nothing is going to feel like a bass shaker or a dedicated sub to emulate the feeling of a rumbling engine
I don't know much about subs though
Michael can help with that better
ok pls
i mean, its mostly just for fun, but, having good imaging can actually be usefull for getting an idea on where cars are coming up behind u
i wouldnt run hd800 for racing
why HD560 and not a beyer, lel
Im not using them for sims
Oh
DT900 and DT700 sound like wimpy ass tho
Who said sims
whatever is easily eaccesible and comfortable
you havent heard them
Idl lol
I sure have
there actually good
someone needs HE1 for gaming
They are not
Hd800 definitely for min maxing tbh
way past the point of min maxing
imagine getting he1 instead of shang snr
i can tell you for a fact that gaming audio is a massive meme for the most part
560s has peak 3 blob imaging
you wouldn't buy a gaming headset for gaming
all they do is blast bass (and headphones, is the last thing you would upgrade, first thing after PC would probably be mouse and display)
hd560s doesn't even have good imaging
You don't need good imaging to play games
id get r70x or dt880 or k612
there good, but deffo not the best pick for gaming
i mean, thats fair, deffo dont need it for all games
yo, r70 would actually be nice for racing sims i bet
What if you’re not playing competitive games, and just want amazing audio for pleasure?
R70x grainy as shit and more expensive
r70 need a good amp
It has great imaging
r70x don't need an amp for shit
it does help to not have your audio device actively work against you
You definitely do
audio engines do an incredible job on their own with Audiovisual directional cues to the point where they just dont actually need the aid of a super competent headphone. Tone is about the only thing id seriously consider for gaming and even then its iffy because games will be mastered differently
r70x scales a fuck ton
nah it doesn't
Studio monitors be the next best choice?
They do but good imaging definitely aids it
pov you don't own r70x
whats your setup
800$ isn't overkill anyway...
when you get deep into audio it isn't even about value, but getting 2% for 500% the cost
i have yet to see that demonstrated in any reasonable manner. i have no idea why people think imaging will help with audiovisual cues. That doesnt add up.
I run HD800S off a soekris 1541 and a piety
why is the top monitor so high up
800$ in total for audio ain't much
Because it does
Literally
that's a midrange headphone with budget/midrange amp/dac
Go try playing games with a sundara see how that goes lmao
I play games with campfire satsuma just fine
You can't tell whether people are infront of you or behind you
it literally doesn't matter
I really don't think it does
So? How is it?
neither of the two, lel
You have hd800 ofc it doesn't matter according to you
you just haven't tried badly imaging headphones for gaming
????????????????
ive compared hd800s, to some other headphones available to me at the time, to some iems. i found that on average they did not change much in accuracy, because, again. The engine is doing the heavy lifting. You can usually tell exactly where something is in most games, with basically anything.
The engine changes
If x engine handles directional saturation good it doesn't mean the next one will
I am neither, but sure
what kind of hyper competitive games with shit audio engines are you playing
Source has a shit audio engine for one and you need good imaging headphones to actually tell whether people are ahead or behind you
I don't
But even 5 seconds was enough to tell how big of a difference there was between a good imaging headphones vs a bad one for a game with barely saturates audio engine
I am not a gamer, I wouldn't do it
I would rather just put 15k to a susvara at some point, lel
And I don't even play competitively
to top everything off, most game audio is compressed as shit because guess what, audio file sizes are fucking huge
That doesn't matter
so its not like its gonna get much leverage out of your headphones quality
it absolutely does
Give me an example of a game where you would actually want good imaging headphones because the audio engine is shit
I could add directionality to 10khz audio files if I wanted to
thats nonsense.
I could
theres an incredible loss of detail
You don't understand how audio engines work
how do they work champ
unless you consider barely 20 hours in 2-3 months "a gamer"
no releases, lel
they saturate audio based on enemy positions
if they don't saturate the fuck out of it like r6 and ron then you will need good headphones
which the source engine doesn't for one
Who the fuck is still playing games that run on the source engine
like
Competitive Gmod
the majority of the pc community
files compressed, aint gonna benefit from your headphones characteristics, however, if the engine is good enough, which most are, will provide good enough directionality on most devices
cs go is literally the most played game on steam
tf2 has been in the top 10 for 13 years
which is why, theres no much of a discernible difference going from shit tier iems to high end spacious headphones with good imaging and layering
as long as the headphones are capable of anything ofc (and don't have 20db bass boost like razer)
Yes, problem: game audio engines aren't good
and guess what, headphones dont solve that.
And also has a shit audio engine
because files are compressed
You said "the majority of the pc community"
Issue is they do
Valorant is only on PC
I did
additionally
and the number 2 position is still the fucking majority
yes, sponsored items
you can keep repeating that with 0 evidence to back it up and 0 reasoning. and i can keep giving you my reasoning and telling you ive done extensive a/b testing
this is going nowhere
or items they will go into tournaments with
was someone else asking for something mainly used for gaming
so I said HD800 is currently the best for gaming (even if a beyer or similar would be like 95% there)
if your a/b testing is between headphones that image well then that testing literally doesn't matter
a shit headphone does not mean it images badly
grab a razer kraken (your average gamer's audio source)
I haven't heard that headphone so I can't comment on it
you dont have to take it from me anyways, go ask most hobby veterans. headphones for gaming is a literal running joke in the audiophile space
But between sundara, 400se, r70x, hd560s and other entry level items there is a huge difference in gaming performance depending on game
you get literally banned if you bring it up in certain discords
It barely matters
I'm pretty sure it's just the one server
But it doesn't matter they all have equivalent performance
I also don't think headphones matter for gaming
But there are definitely performance differences between one another
Before you pay attention to audio to deduce location you will use your eyes and reflexes
spending the big money on headphones is something you would do once you're already at custom keyboard (or one of the top end consumer stuff), M2K, 240/360hz display and at least i7+3080 anyway
at which point all improvement lies within the headphones (even if 1%)
That's why 560S was recommended
Damn, i only asked for recommendations. Not a call to open a debate…
Lol, thank you all for your feedback though
A few pics from a London meetup from the other day. Pics were taken by Alan aka 'MasterZen' on Head-Fi. They're too good not to share
If we are talking about what one needs
just some IEM
that's what the pros do anyway
IEM and gaming headset sponsor over it
2 that i know of
I agree
I can find out
He brought a Leica monochrome to the last one and those pics were gorgeous
lemme find em
But if he wants to spend a lot then there is that option
really nice pics ... people looks like models on there
totally
for me, I am only at 1300$ custom keeb, 4k120 TV and finalmouse poseidon attached to a PC that I want to upgrade in the upcoming year or so (once 7950/7990xtx or 4090TI release)
I imagine there's some post processing
1300 for a custom
it better not be mx lmao
I am the opposite
one of those who does it right the first time basically (even if overkill, rather spend a lot than repeatedly buy midrange)
yes
I mean, if you pay for everything to be custom produced and put together, that's probably about right
its not
hd800 is always an option for gaming. Because its nice and light and has big cups and can be eqd with gigabass. Not because itl make you any better at video games
just alu caps in my case eating away 650-700 in cost
There's a difference between doing some groupbuys and sticking some switches in things you ordered from a store with stock
And actual custom stuff
I am still at 3600x + 2080S, 32gb
want to get 7950x(3D) + 7990xtx/4090TI
i can guarantee you conpin does not have the ability to design his own keyboard
You pay other people to do it
I am lazy, so you are correct
and he just said his keycaps take up about 700 of its value lmao
no designer actually worth their salt would just take a commission for a one off design
Wut
already said it a while ago anyway, just alu caps on an AV4
How do you think designers work
hd800 benefits for gaming:
Doesnt exist on your head
Is unbreakable under normal use case
can be relatively easily driven
pads wear really slowly
parts easy to replace
placebo will make you play better
You give them money
They design something
I don't think you understand how the keyboard hobby works in general
Guys.... #peripherals
you forgot "don't actively work against you with bloated bass"
yeah theres that. but you can always eq that in if you want that shit
it can be really fun for certain games
which is the whole thing against gaming headsets anyway
racing sim games with nice bass is always fun
IEM + gaming headset over it = professional setup
best racing sim audio setup is speakers though. 1000%
yes there are speakers designed for use as surrounds that have multidirectional audio
There's some funny shenanigans you can do with phase as well
and a nice avr can use processing to push sound in a specific direction
but just get more channels if you want directional audio
what does AV in AVR mean, adult vid?
Audio video
audio video receiver
I thought AVR for adult vid recorder
i would love to try out some omnidirectional speakers
like some ohm floorstanders
where the sweet spot is just massive
anyone know the difference between the mv7 and mv7x and which one can only be used with a goxlr?
can usb input work with the go xlr?
the point of the usb connection is to not need the goxlr
o
is it worth getting the mv7 over the x version? im no way getting the sm7b as its more expensive and has no extra benefits
i don’t recommend the mv7 or sm7b
whats better then?
pretty much every microphone in existence is better
This
do you have any mic reccomendations with xlr that is like 100-200
past 50$ for a mic is dumb
did you already buy the goxlr
unless you are an incompetent sound engineer
not yet, but i plan on (the mini version as its a waste to get the normal model)
it is also a waste to get the mini
since you can get items that outperform it in every regard for a total of 100$
m track solo and behringer x touch mini running midi mixer software
no idea
I can listen to some demos at best
Ah its that, those are actually quite good
If anything it looks pretty good
i generally love the popped out diaphragm type of mic designs
what mic should i get though
its a pretty fair point lol
don’t spend that much money on an interface that’s insanity
behringer xm8500 if you can't handle setting up a noise gate
behringer c1 if you can
its only 160 on amazon
its too much for that thing
I'd love it if diy perks made his mic a purchaseable kit
not christ expensive though
also its directly worse than what I recommend you
Quality audio for cheap? Sounds good to me! Also, don't forget you can get one free share valued up to £200 by creating a Freetrade account at: https://freetrade.io/diyperks
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Parts list:
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So you actually use any of the shelves
i kinda want to do this just for fun
Same
Too complicated for me
also because it looks great
is there one that doesnt look like a proper microphone that you would find at a show but still comparable
c1
On a boom arm and a pop filter it looks like any other mic ngl
with the speaker's treble/bass settings or some other eq
like room correction and stuff
ah
whats an audio gate btw
it makes it so the mic only activates from your voice
and not from keyboard and mouse clicks
oh i dont like that shit
you have to use one lol
Here you can see it on the right side of the pic, dont have a better pic atm
why..?
Ty
my keyboard is very quiet, my mouse nobody would probably care about and id use noise suppression on games/discord anyway
unless you want to sound like a mouth breather then you will need one
Gotta admit it looks like shit atm because I did some upgrades and havent cleaned
Oh I thought you would use it for streaming/recording
but what if you are a mouth breather
Then it may not matter as much
idk you tell me