audio-tech

[unique wind]

a good va panel doesn’t have noticeable black trailing

[ocean pulsar]

Both were flagships, both cost about the same originally

[unique wind]

here’s a 390hz ips panel, you can see it’s significantly blurrier than the 360hz zowie tn panel

[patent frigate]

hell a bunch of cs pros switched to 360hz 1440p

[unique wind]

there’s only one 1440p360hz monitor

[haughty girder]

Yea, it'll just cost you a cool 1.3k

[unique wind]

it’s fast though for an ips panel

it’s also $1000

[patent frigate]

there pros they have the money

[unique wind]

doesn’t make much sense when you can get a 240hz oled panel for $1000 too

[twin thunder]

finally got my ebay hd58x that costed 100 bucks and holy god did it sound so much better then my shitphones i have rn, when they work, but the guy who sold them to me sold me a busted cable for them the cretin

[unique wind]

cool man glad u like them

i’m taking my alienware aw3423dwf to fedex tomorrow to return it

[twin thunder]

much better than my audio shitica mx50's that I got for free from a school like 3 years ago

[unique wind]

and then i’m gonna order the LG 27gr95qe-b

[haughty girder]

there's a reason pros don't use oled or ips lol...

[unique wind]

yeah because oled hasn’t existed in the monitor space until this year

[haughty girder]

actually for OLED it's probably static ui elements aren't great

I mean the youtube icon became an issue lmao

[unique wind]

pro players won’t care if they only get 3 years out of their oled monitor

they’ll just buy another one

anything to have an advantage, they’re paid a lot

[haughty girder]

They're also much biggee

bigger

[unique wind]

naw it’s 27”

[haughty girder]

uh

[unique wind]

1440p 240hz

i mean yes that’s larger than 25” but it’s not too large for esports

[haughty girder]

27 is pretty big

[ocean pulsar]

The problem with OLED is it just isn't as high refresh and doesn't really get you much real world benefit

[patent frigate]

i mean a couple do

[haughty girder]

it's usually 24 or 24.5 and with the distance they put the monitor from their face

[unique wind]

until this year yah

[haughty girder]

they don't really want bigger than 25

[unique wind]

the only monitor that has better motion clarity than the new 27” 240hz oled is the zowie 360hz with dyac

[ocean pulsar]

No still now

[haughty girder]

and eveyrone has either the 2546 or 2566

[ocean pulsar]

But high refresh gives more than clarity

[unique wind]

no it doesn’t

[haughty girder]

tho some use the asus pg259 sth sth sth I don't remember

[unique wind]

many pro players tried using 360hz ips panels and went back to their 240hz tn zowie monitors

[patent frigate]

but the pixel repsone times

[ocean pulsar]

Lower mprt monitors still are better for some things particularly motion smoothness

[haughty girder]

TN is consistently fast

[patent frigate]

pg259qn

[haughty girder]

IPS is consistently eh

[unique wind]

i won’t lie

[haughty girder]

OLED and VA are the lighter the color the better

darks are shit

[unique wind]

whenever a noobie asks me for a monitor

[haughty girder]

light are great

[patent frigate]

and aw251h

[unique wind]

i recommend them an ips panel

[haughty girder]

it's a safe choice.

[coral tiger]

I'm looking to buy studio monitors.
Anything better than these?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HS7--yamaha-hs7-6.5-inch-powered-studio-monitor-black

[haughty girder]

No

[unique wind]

it’s the safest option

[haughty girder]

hs7 are bad

look at 306p instead

or 308p from jbl

[patent frigate]

i mean alot of cs players CRACK the brightness

including me

[haughty girder]

nonono

not display brightness

the color

The lighter the shade the better the response times

[patent frigate]

the game brightness

[ocean pulsar]

No they also crank the display brightness

In addition to the gamma

[haughty girder]

Display brightness is a given lol

[unique wind]

black level brightness

lifted shadows

with over saturation too

[coral tiger]

Okay I was also thinking about these...
JBL Professional 305P MkII Next-Generation 5-Inch 2-Way Powered Studio Monitor https://a.co/d/6jk22wY

[patent frigate]

i went back to 100% brightness in csgo

felt like i couldn't see a thing

[unique wind]

i use 100% as well

i prefer to calibrate gamma on my monitor not in a game menu

i don’t like when games make you set a manual black level

[patent frigate]

then i instantly sent to back to 130%

[unique wind]

130% woof that’s raised hella

i used 115% for a little while

[coral tiger]

Damn thought this was the place for good audio advice...guess I was mistaken, must have clicked on the wrong channel. My bad.

[patent frigate]

the shadows in csgo is REALLY dark

[unique wind]

superlative gave you suggestions

i don’t know anything about studio monitors so i didn’t reply

[patent frigate]

this is monitors

[coral tiger]

Oh this is monitors now not audio monitors...gotcha

[unique wind]

that face when your question was answered but you leave a nasty message anyway

[coral tiger]

That face?

[unique wind]

yeah i reckon that’s the expression you made in real life

before typing and sending a passive aggressive message even though someone answered your question

[coral tiger]

Nope, just trying to get assistance with the speakers I have narrowed it down to based on a ton of top lists. But you guys don't have time for that. That's cool. 😎

[patent frigate]

you should get this

[coral tiger]

I absolutely will

[unique wind]

no you just didn’t read the answer you were given

and then made a passive aggressive remark

[twin thunder]

is it actually true that the hd58x have a better sound profile for metal music and similar compared to the 6xx's or is it just bullshit

[unique wind]

no clue :3

they’re very similarly tuned if i remember right

[coral tiger]

Yeah I was passive aggressive. 🤣

[lean grove]

idk anyone that prefers the 58x to the 6xx by people who'v tried both

[nova wagon]

that would be fine too
its not the 306p they recommended, but a good entry monitors

[unique wind]

i’ve never seen anyone recommend the 58x

i’ve barely seen people talk about it

[coral tiger]

Thank you good sir.

[lean grove]

its in a weird spot price wise.

[unique wind]

would you say it’s better or worse than the 560s?

[lean grove]

it used to kind of be a okay recommendation by some people. the 560s is such better value

[twin thunder]

would have gotten them but the cheapest used one i found was like 30 dollars more expensive than the 58x that I got

[lean grove]

560s instead

[unique wind]

560s has such incredible frequency response tuning

someone needs to review the speakers on the 1989 apple macintosh portable

[lean grove]

i dont think they do, michael

[twin thunder]

eh... i dont think at the 100 bucks that I got my 58x that it was too stupid of a purchase besides the junk cable anyway that wasn't disclosed but that's the risk with buying used I guess

[unique wind]

no somebody definitely needs to

we need an objective breakdown

[unique wind]

yeah no worries man

[coral tiger]

Did you already get replacement cables?

[twin thunder]

yes

[coral tiger]

Sounds like a good deal then.

[unique wind]

@rugged plover would like amplifier recommendations for LCD-X

[leaden cloak]

those are great

[unique wind]

@lean grove

you know a lot more than i do

[leaden cloak]

you can get them cheaper used if you want. retail is expensive

[rugged plover]

[lean grove]

audiovalve solaris

oh wait they're out of stock

[coral tiger]

Thanks, yeah I was going to check Reverb for some in good condition.

[unique wind]

@rugged plover what’s ur budget for an amp

[rugged plover]

wanted to keep it under 1k for the entire chain

[unique wind]

valid

[lean grove]

do you already have the lcd-x

[rugged plover]

No

Tried it and I enjoyed it

[lean grove]

idk man. usually i tell people to get schiit. but with $1k you got a lot more money to throw around and can get some actually decent options

SV might be a better place to look for actually good dac and amp recommendations in the kilobuck range

[molten lotus]

Yeah we don't

You aren't entitled to advice

[molten lotus]

@unique wind he400se

[haughty girder]

305p is good, but 306p is better given you were looking at HS7. Do note that if you're close enough to the monitors you can hear a bit of noise from the amp

but it's easily the best monitors in its price range

[haughty girder]

Top 10 lists are usually made by people who read spec sheets and freq response graphs

I can tell you firsthand that the entire HSx lineup is garbage

HS8 is the only passable one but nowhere near as good as the 308p

if you were after looks then sure, the white cones are pretty clean

but for music or anything related to listening JBL 30xp are better

[haughty girder]

The only reason why they're popular was because of the HS80.

but now the HS series is basically the M50x of studio monitors

[lean grove]

meaning they're overhyped and bad?

[haughty girder]

yes

well, bad as in overpriced for what they offer

I do agree with LTT's statements about "there's no bad product just a bad price"

if you could get HS8 for like 25% off their normal price then I'd say it's fine

[haughty girder]

ironically they also gained a shitton of popularity from MKBHD

[lean grove]

im well aware

he has a weird habit of finding the worst options for audio

[haughty girder]

well at the time it was against stuff like beats studio

so I don't really blame him it's better than the "mainstream" so to speak

but then it became mainstream

then new and better things came

except HS8 aren't even that old..

[lean grove]

you're right that it could be worse.

but its just all so mediocre

[gleaming owl]

Ended up getting 560s with ifi zen 2 amp

[dawn ice]

nice

[tough lava]

My elgato mic boom arrived

This should really help improve my sound quality

[inland bobcat]

I have a rode psa1 arm

[dry stratus]

I wonder if there is someone so paranoid in this server they avoid bluetooth because they think someone around them can find out what they are listening to
those hyper extreme paranoid privacy weirdos

[unique wind]

[placid geyser]

i bought a boom arm with xlr cable in it, seems those are pretty scarce to find

like within the arms not on the outside

[unique wind]

i think gator does that

[slim mason]

Lp or normal?

Because I have the lp

[tough lava]

LP, obviously!

the normal one is overpriced crap you can get from anywhere, more or less.

the LP one is genuinely different.

[tough lava]

The elgato one supports XLR cables internally - it closes with magnets

[placid geyser]

This one had a xlr cable on it when it arrived and as far as i know its not possible to open it

[tough lava]

yeah I've seen those

[tough lava]

oh, and it still has exposed springs etc, weird.

[placid geyser]

Excuse the mess

[tough lava]

mess is reality

[placid geyser]

Yeah, thats normal right?

[tough lava]

yeah for a lower end arm

[placid geyser]

Yeah it was around 35 bucks i think

[tough lava]

yeah, not cheap shit, but not crazy

[placid geyser]

Works fine for me and the mic signal is also clear as day as far as i have heard

[weak rapids]

That’s pretty cool

[placid geyser]

When i switch between amp and headphones i just switch out the 3.5 jack

[keen shale]

windows 11, asus b550-f mobo, sennheiser hd560s (connected with 3.5mm through mobo). Realtek audio drivers

Windows thinks my headphones are speakers, any way to fix this?

[nova wagon]

do you have realtek audio console on the computer?

launch that and under device advanced settings, you should be able to change that to headphone

[keen shale]

this?

[nova wagon]

yep thats the one

change that if you like
speaker and headphones in onboard audio terms arent different

you are basically changing the label that would appear under windows audio properties more or less

[keen shale]

idk if it's fixed or nah

[nova wagon]

it doesnt change much

[keen shale]

oh ok

[nova wagon]

for my experience, changing from speaker to headphone output on my combo jack slightly increase the volume with the same volume level in windows

[keen shale]

ah alright

would a dac be recommended?

[nova wagon]

ehh debateable
like you could just get an apple usb c to 3.5mm combo dongle and be done with it

560s doesnt require much power, and you would get a cleaner signal than the mobo at least

[keen shale]

i've heard that the apple usb is weaker in 'EU

[nova wagon]

oh yea, that thing
well in that case, find any dongle with the cx31993 audio chip on em

[haughty moon]

Oh yeah that chip is good

[keen shale]

found this one

hol on wrong website

gotta go on the swedish one

you buy anything outside the eu here and i be taxed like there is no tomorrow

this one is like 10 dollars

doesn't mention the chip tho hmm

[nova wagon]

search for cx31993 and it should come up
also, the usual suspect looks exactly like the first screenshot

[keen shale]

LMFAO 60 USD here in sweden

someone reeked the price

[haughty moon]

I have the one on the first screenshot

Imo better than the modi 2

[nova wagon]

i mean the 2nd and 3rd from the right looks like the one you screenshot earlier

just real life picture and not a render

and yea, that dongle either comes in blue or bronze wires

[keen shale]

ain't these the exact same ones?

even more

resellers galore

[nova wagon]

yep

its a very popular generic dongle

[keen shale]

i guess i go with thisone

[nova wagon]

so naturally a bunch of chinese will rebrand em

i have the jcally branded one here

[keen shale]

i guess this one will do fine?

[nova wagon]

yea it will do
you have amazon return, dont have to worry about that
the first brand that was mentioned with this particular type of dongle was conexant, but after all, they are just brands

[keen shale]

alright well thank you

[molten lotus]

what arm is that

oh i scrolled back

IT'S $100

nvm

that costs as much as my mic lol

[ocean pulsar]

The arm can be more important than the mic tbh

[primal fulcrum]

Guys Guys, listen: P
Speakers, but Power Over Toslink.

[ocean pulsar]

That would be extremely dangerous lmao

But there are Poe speakers

[ocean pulsar]

A laser capable of outputting 50 watts is like a grand

[lean grove]

gotta make sure they're efficient speakers then

[placid geyser]

same

at 2020 was about 80 bucks

[molten lotus]

i got an at2040

[placid geyser]

just looked it up, 89 euro

[molten lotus]

how much does a microwave output

[ocean pulsar]

1-1.4kw

But a magnetron isn't coherent

[tough lava]

oh yeah. it cost more than my mic. I got a voucher from work for xmas

[molten lotus]

Cool

[unique wind]

biggiecheese is buying me an earthworks ethos (in black)

[molten lotus]

Yeah 👍

[fading ridge]

Any speakers with good bass under like 50$?

[clear sedge]

Nope

[unique wind]

you’ll have to go used market for that

[rugged plover]

@molten lotus mine?

[fading ridge]

I've heard something about some pebble brand

How are their speakers?

[unique wind]

creative pebble 2.1 is okay but it’s not going to have the bass you’re imagining

[haughty girder]

good bass?

not rly

Pebbles 2.1 are gonna have fine bass because of the sub

but it's not the most balanced thing

you can't adjust the sub level

[fading ridge]

These ones?

[haughty girder]

so the bass can be overpowering at times

2.1

with the sub

[fading ridge]

Oh found it

[fading ridge]

I mean probably better than stock monitor speakers

[haughty girder]

for sure

apparently my ultrawide had speakers that were considered good for monitor speakers

they're kinda bad

[tough lava]

no monitor speakers are good. some are less bad

[haughty girder]

lol

if they don't sound worse than phone speakers they're good for monitor speakers

[unique wind]

i’ve only had one monitor that had better speakers than a phone

[haughty girder]

same

and it's now 8 years old

[unique wind]

it was the gigabyte fv43u which is just a tv sold under the name of monitor

[haughty girder]

lol

LOL

[tough lava]

my FO48U has ecent speakers for what they are. suuuper bass heavy though

[fading ridge]

what is Dolby Atmos? A brand?

[haughty girder]

LG 34um67p from 2015

basically has tv speakers

[tough lava]

a technology

[unique wind]

dolby atmos is a home theater surround sound format

[haughty girder]

it's a specification that allows for surround sound using multiple speakers

[fading ridge]

my mobile phone has a feature of some dolby Atmos

[tough lava]

yeah that would likely be for headphones

[fading ridge]

Um it turned on without headphones

[haughty girder]

Atmos for headphones uses reverb and phasing to create a "surround" effect but is inaccurate

[fading ridge]

oh

[haughty girder]

for headphones basically means two channel setups

so like your phone, most tablets, headphones, etc.

[fading ridge]

well my phone has 2 speakers one above and one on the bottom

[fading ridge]

I see

[unique wind]

atmos on headphones is fake

[haughty girder]

I said that

[unique wind]

yeah i said it in a much simpler way

[haughty girder]

lmao

[unique wind]

english isn’t their first language

[haughty girder]

ohh fair enough I didn't know that

[stone quartz]

Does anyone own a U-Phoria UMC22?

[haughty girder]

Gross but I might be able to help

I don't own one tho

[haughty girder]

why?

[cobalt sparrow]

anyone know if the etymotic mk5 is any good?

asking for a friend

[molten lotus]

me

[molten lotus]

etymotic is generally good, only issue is (this is 2nd hand knowledge) if you think you have them deep enough, you don't

Etymotic supposedly goes places you aren't supposed to stick qtips.

[stone quartz]

Was wondering if anyone else has an annoying automatic gain control feature when something loud happens

Much like on a smartphone

[molten lotus]

a compressor?

[stone quartz]

I'm not sure how one could be enabled

Because I am listening to it

[molten lotus]

Eq apo with a compressor vst plugin

[stone quartz]

I think that might be the cause actually

[molten lotus]

Oh wait

[stone quartz]

Because I've noticed it is reducing the volume of everything on my computer

[molten lotus]

You are talking of something else

It's a discord option

I initially thought you wanted a compressor not background muting when talking

There is an option for that in discord and maybe in windows as well, likely the prior is your issue

[stone quartz]

Oh no, I'm trying to get rid of it

Whenever my microphone picks up a very loud noise, something is lowering the gain by itself to compensate

[molten lotus]

Oh no idea

Its not related to the umc22 though

software problem

[stone quartz]

I will have to experiment

I think my XLR cable might be shorting out and causing the loud noises

So I will replace that as well

[round forge]

Hi my sennheirser hd 450bt head phone/mic when use mic it plays back over the head phone's

Ping me if ypu have fix

[haughty girder]

what would happen is it would clip and distort

there's no auto-lower gain

[gloomy cave]

Hi all

I'm just starting out with Sound Design work. I'm want to get some decent headphones, ones that won't break the bank. I want to try something in the Senheisser HD series due to its well known reputation.

I've narrowed down my choices to the two massdrop Senheisser HD headphones as they seen to represent three best value for money from what I've gathered.

The 58x are cheaper and easier to drive, meaning I could potentially get note use out of then outside my MacBook Pro with its high impedance jack.

The 6xx are more expensive (but not massively so), more detailed (from what I'm told) and seem to just be closer to a standard a lot of producers are happy with. They are harder to drive though compared to the 58x which might confine then to my Macbook for now.

Would really appreciate some advice and insight, especially if you have experience with both.

Thank you

[lean grove]

i dont know anyone that's tried both that will tell you to get the 58x

and as for driveability, dont worry about that either. a macbook should be more than sufficient

[stone quartz]

Aren't most of the non flagship sennheisers just okay?

[lean grove]

wdym

[stone quartz]

I see people saying they won't blow you away, but they're accurate enough to get a decent listening experience

[lean grove]

there's a lot of people saying a lot of things

[stone quartz]

I understand that Sennheiser gets a lot of hate, so I tend not to believe everything I hear

[gloomy cave]

The reviews i one seen for the HD6xx view them as either the same or extremely close to the HD650 in terms of sound.

[lean grove]

they're very very close to the 650 yes

[gloomy cave]

I also find that anything popular inevitably gets a lot of hate.

[dry stratus]

just not something you buy if you want the best audio for the price

they can be nice tho, depending on genre.

[tough lava]

Most products these days aren't truly bad (with the exception of some cheap garbage)

[dry stratus]

their closed backs suck at least

[dawn ice]

not really, flagship sennheisers are ok, the budget ones are ass with exception of 560s

[dawn ice]

6xx are qc reject hd650 drivers so yah, there basically the same thing

its very common to see with drop, they will take lower quallity drivers from the manufacturer that didnt make the cut for the prime product and make a spin off, saying they ''tuned it''

[dry stratus]

ruined it*

because 8xx

[dawn ice]

i think they did actually try to tune that one lol. which goes to show how competed drop are when there not reselling reject drivers

[dry stratus]

terrible

[dawn ice]

drop is a very similar story to suprem

[dry stratus]

dogshit allround?

[dawn ice]

both started off as small companys as ''for the people'' but ended up evolving in to corporate memes

[restive current]

So some time ago I ordered moondrop arias, which turned out to be a mistake. They wouldn't fit in my ear no matter what, they just hurt. Problem is i cant return them because shipping to china costs a fortune.

I now bought sennheiser ie 100 pro's they fit like a glove and sound fantastic.

Should have went for sennheiser from the start but cant change the past

[molten lotus]

ear issue

hate the ie100

[unique wind]

arias hurt my ears too

the edge is sharp and they’re heavy

[dry stratus]

that last video at headphoneshow... god that woman is deaf..

blind test ranking...

1000xm5 > HD650 > susvara > clear...

[unique wind]

hifiman midvara

confirmed

that list doesn’t surprise me at all though

that’s how i’d assume any non audiophile would rank them

[dry stratus]

almost warmest and muddiest to brightest/least bassy

I mean, all of them are ehh

like saying koss has more bass than 1000xm5

[haughty girder]

but since they're driver matched it's still much less of an issue

and do you have a source for the them being reject drivers?

[molten lotus]

hard disagree

any person who pays attention to their music I know can differentiate their stuff

[molten lotus]

Isn't the focal actually legitimately good though?

[dry stratus]

bit bland for some but ig

haven't heard that one specifically

[molten lotus]

I thought the focal was known for its sound stage and seperation

[dry stratus]

no

haven't heard anyone talk about that being their strong points ever anyway...
mostly heard about balanced sound

[molten lotus]

Maybe it was a comparison to something in that price point.

[dawn ice]

would have to look for it to find it again, its been years

[dawn ice]

focals are probably the most technically competed dd out there, as far as ive heard

[primal fulcrum]

What did you get?

[summer flicker]

n700nc m2? its got good bass. better quality than any of the sony anc phones

just baby it, build quality isnt amazing.

[summer flicker]

competed?

like theyre the most technical?

[dawn ice]

competent''

[summer flicker]

oh

maybe the utopia. i dont really feel that way about the clear

[dawn ice]

clear aint that far off utopia in every aspect tbh

i actually preff clear tuning lol

but it do be a bit more technical

only dd competitor ive heard that had similar lvl of detail was hd800

[summer flicker]

it just kind of lacked texture in comparison to the 6x0s ive tried as well as the hd800

[dawn ice]

ucopia or clear?

[summer flicker]

clear

i havent heard utopia

[dawn ice]

hmm, fair enough

i think all focals basically need a warm amp to make them more fun

there a bit dead sounding stock

[dawn ice]

imagine clear, but a bit less warm and a bit more detailed

[summer flicker]

yeah i have a really solid source pairing for the clear

n shaped all around

[dawn ice]

sweet :p

[summer flicker]

it helps

but doesnt solve my issues with it

[dawn ice]

the main issue being that its a dd

[summer flicker]

Heard the dynamics where also considerably better

[dawn ice]

i mean, maybe, i didnt get an impression like that at canjam

utopia just seemed marginally better technically, with for me, marginally worse tuning

[summer flicker]

dynamics tends to be a pretty source sensitive chracterstic i find

ive heard amps that literally vacuum that shit out of headphones

[dawn ice]

lol

i dont recall what i tried them on tbh

was deffo ss tho

[summer flicker]

most source sensitive characteristics seems to be stage and dynamics for me

the former i dont really give much of a shit about

but its nice fromt ime to time

[dawn ice]

mhm

id say it depends on the headphone

for most cans, yah, id agree

[tame jay]

Yes

[dry stratus]

Focal more all round performance compared to HD800's "only far away soundstage + detail"

[dawn ice]

yup

[dry stratus]

people say HD800 has good soundstage, but does it really?

its only far away sound

[dawn ice]

yah im not a fan of the difused sound

but it can work with some sellect janras

[open scaffold]

Janras?

[lean grove]

Genre

[white gate]

Depends how you define it tbh

BIG stage sure. But as you said, kinda only far away

struggles to do in close stuff much

[dry stratus]

I would say "accurate sound stage" in this case

not "oh, its behind a wall 5 meters away"

[plain widget]

yeah

but that's why I got it tbh

I just wanna have one headphones that's "far-er" sometimes

[white gate]

For me there's a few things relating to stage:

Soundstage (or more specifically size of stage):
How big at maximum a headphone can sound. Combination of stage width (distance off to the side) and stage depth (distance out front)

Range:
How much of a difference a headphone can portray in terms of distance. Some like HD800 are huge but can't go in close. Others like Arya can be massive or really in close. Most IEMs are just really close and not big.

Layering:
How well a headphone can portray things at different distances at the same time

Imaging:
How precisely a headphone can portray direction of an element

Stage Shape:
Some headphones might have great layering but may have a sort of unusual stage shape. Arya for example can't go as deep for something directly in front of you as it can when it's at a 45 deg angle or off to the side

Holographic:
Kinda a combination of doing a lot of the above stuff well, but also being able to portray the apparent size/volume of something well, rather than all the sound just coming from an arbitrary point

[dawn ice]

i feel like once you have good stage for a while its impossible to go back on

tho might just be me

[lean grove]

its not really accurate though

if something is making other things seem far away, and its unable to make things seem close, its actually quite inaccurate

[dry stratus]

not what I meant or was referring to

[lean grove]

ah

ok

what were you referring to

[dry stratus]

.

[dry stratus]

this is me talking about HD800 soundstage

[molten lotus]

I agree except for layering and imaging

layering imo and in the communities I've been a part of is often used to describe separation which can be argued to be a correlation of many of these features

and imaging rather than being only the direction I use it as positioning

ofc these are subjective since none of these terms are objectively established

[white gate]

@molten lotusYeah different people use different definitions for the term.
Imaging should be a direction thing though cause in various areas of production it does specifically refer to stereo imaging and not a 3d aspect.

Layering and separation yeah that one is kinda debatable. I personally prefer this way cause layering seems more intuitive. There are different layers of stuff, whereas separation is more how distinctly separate things are from one another vs blending together or being hard to focus on one thing even if it's in a different location

But yeah, big issue with subjective descriptions is you ask three different people what they think a term means and you'll often get three different results

[unique wind]

when i think of imaging i think purely of directionality

layering i think of how many sounds can be coming from the same direction but at different depths in the sound stage

[white gate]

It's understandable with more vague terms like 'texture' but even with much more clearly defined stuff like 'timbre' people still use terms like 'good timbre' to describe stuff that doesn't mean that at all

[white gate]

Yeah that's the same for me

[molten lotus]

I don't use timbre at all

[unique wind]

separation seems kinda meaningless to me

[molten lotus]

not a term meant for headphones

[white gate]

Layering is specifically about variations/layers of depth. Separation is more the ability to listen to/focus on one thing regardless of spatial properties. Some IEMs have trash/nonexistant staging/layering overall for example but excellent separation

[molten lotus]

separation is incredibly important imo

[unique wind]

for me personally imaging is a lot easier on iems

[molten lotus]

when you have a headphone that separates good you wont be finding yourself turn back

[unique wind]

it's great for games

the isolation and directionality

i dont ever feel like i cant tell what direction a sound came from

[molten lotus]

that is different than separation

even with really bad items you can tell what is coming from where

but the degree at which they achieve this is really different when you get headphones that do it particularly well

I dislike sundaras but even then their layering is so much ahead of r70x

[white gate]

Some headphones do have quite poor direction/imaging. It can be a little tricky to describe until you hear ones with really good imaging though.

A lot of headphones tend to suffer from '3 blob' imaging where stuff is mostly either in front of, to the left of or to the right of you, but it struggles to accurately portray direction of something off at an angle etc.

Worth noting though that in this instance, games vs music is very different. Games have a big inherent advantage because how the audio changes as your POV moves/rotates gives an ENORMOUS amount of direction info, in fact most of it. That's why VR audio is so good in that regard even if you use meh headphones. It's just playing into how our brains naturally work that stuff out.

But with music, when both your POV and the musical element are static/fixed, the ability of the headphone can be way more important and obvious

[molten lotus]

yeah its difficult to describe how important good layering is without hearing it for yourself

[unique wind]

true

even using the quest 2's built in speakers

[white gate]

Yep

[unique wind]

i think theyre completely fine

i dont bother using headphones most of the time

[white gate]

VR audio can be pretty phenomenal

[unique wind]

even more immersive without headphones on imo

[white gate]

Just messing about in the lobby of Echo Arena on the Oculus CV1 is still one of the best spatial audio experiences I've had

[lean grove]

still waiting for these to hit the market

[unique wind]

what are those

[lean grove]

BMR headphones

similar the the ones the valve index uses

[unique wind]

id probably like them

[lean grove]

there's only prototypes

lots of teasing

[unique wind]

i wonder how deep bass extension those would be able to reach

[lean grove]

Fs of 150hz
https://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/specs/297-2174--tectonic-tebm35c02-6b-spec-sheet.pdf

probably not much

[molten lotus]

that looks like flat panel measurement

[lean grove]

its anechoic.

so they're measuring like a speaker

[unique wind]

eh

not having anything below 100hz is pretty realistic anyway

most human speech is 120hz+ and you rarely encounter something below 80hz in real life

and many people like the ksc75 which doesnt have bass extension

id be willing to try them

[lean grove]

ksc75 extends to a little under 100hz

and technically extends to a lot under 100hz

a hard 150hz cutoff is pretty damn bad.

if you're only listening to voices, its not as bad

but low frequencies have a lot of data

[unique wind]

is there any way they could improve the extension

or is it just the limit of physics

[molten lotus]

a good driver

k1k doesn't have seal either

yet one of the most linear bass there is

[unique wind]

can a driver that small produce lower bass extension with more power

[molten lotus]

not sure

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/indecisive-i-dont-know-not-sure-larry-david-gif-5682454

[unique wind]

if they could just get down to like 80hz itd be fine

[molten lotus]

if it's driver size maybe not unless its an estat or something

[lean grove]

k1k has a big bass bump to make the bass feel more tangible

[molten lotus]

well yeah

[molten lotus]

bass isn't linear my bad

[lean grove]

hoffman's iron law.

you pick two between efficiency, size, or bass

[unique wind]

can you not defeat cubic displacement with cubic dollars

oh yeah true

it'd just be extremely inefficient

[lean grove]

yes

[molten lotus]

you may

plasma drivers may be able to achieve something like that

or some driver type yet not researched

[unique wind]

always gotta displace something

whether it be cabinet space or your wallet

[molten lotus]

the headphone driver researches profit since they are companies, if it's peak audio for x money you could likely achieve some very unique things

[lean grove]

Although this speaker was not very performing (very low efficiency and bad frequency response) it shows clearly that cold plasma loudspeakers were also able to reproduce low frequencies. the pressure obtained at one metre was around 90 dB but the power consumption was around 100 Watts. The response is not as flat as the headphone one for complex reasons. Among them a strong vortices structure between the points (the flow far far to be homogenous).

hoffman's iron law stands

[molten lotus]

bro dynamics cant do bass

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/SEO14mLG/koss-ksc75/frequency-response-graph-small.jpg

[unique wind]

90db at what frequency for 100w

[molten lotus]

look at this fr i found

[unique wind]

i cant read that graph

[lean grove]

thats the point i think its just a funny graph

this is for that speaker

http://tmms.co.jp/EFD/Industrial_issues/Plasmasonic.htm

the plasmasonic headphone does extend linearly to 20hz

but i bet you thats with a lot of filters

[molten lotus]

that particular speaker maybe

there are plasma speakers that literally destroyed houses with moving pressure

although that doesn't equate to bass performance I would presume it would correlate somewhat

[turbid grove]

Hi, does anyone know what is OBS audio sample block size by default? There's nowhere to look

My interface has different input delay for different size, I wanna know what size OBS is using. to determine the delay

[molten lotus]

use 48khz

first of all

[turbid grove]

I don't mean the sample rate, I mean block size

I can go down to 1 ms with 32

or up to 47ms with highest buffer

[lean grove]

yeah this is a really old document. any time someone mentions plasma speakers i gotta bring it up

[turbid grove]

In other apps, but in OBS, nothing

[lean grove]

as tradition

[molten lotus]

ight fair

[molten lotus]

generally keep it at 48khz

regardless of the case

[turbid grove]

yeah I do for that one

[lean grove]

and plasma speakers destroying houses with moving pressure, that seems like an embellishment.

[turbid grove]

I'm about making some audio delay test, OBS is the only software that is free and allow to input multiple interface directly

so it's the best way to check delay by recording multiple input, output

to find delay in a wireless headset for example

but the thing is its too simple, I don't know the buffer

it's using

[frigid depot]

Hi all! I was wondering if someone can tell me if the Pioneer SPH-DA360DAB would fit in a Peugeot Boxer from 2022. It does not appear in the compatibility list on Pioneer's website itself, but the SPH-DA230DAB does and this seems to be the same casing as the one mentioned.

[molten lotus]

Do it for everything

You don't need anything above 48khz for anything

set every windows device to 48khz for optimizing your audio

[turbid grove]

Hmmm, even recording with my mic?

[ocean pulsar]

Windows buffers to 10ms regardless of sample rate by default

[lean grove]

me when i use windows exclusive sound drivers to listen to my lossless 2500 kbps music library

[molten lotus]

yes

[turbid grove]

yes if you use windows as input

[molten lotus]

they can shit themselves using 48khz when routing

sorry

I meant when they use different rates

in general

[molten lotus]

most commonly seen by shit like voicemeeter

[turbid grove]

but when I use direct driver, it's not

[molten lotus]

which destroys itself if the rates are not matched

[ocean pulsar]

If you are using asio then I've never seen an asio implementation that doesn't let you set it

[turbid grove]

ah

[molten lotus]

its best to keep every device at 48khz globally

[ocean pulsar]

It's also fine if you use 96k or 192 for everything just harder on the cpu

[turbid grove]

Oh I see

[molten lotus]

if you do need above 48khz when doing like lossless play back for example, there are programs that automatically output it above 48khz anyways

[turbid grove]

what about 16-24-32 bit?

I use 24 usually

[unique wind]

use 16b 48khz

[molten lotus]

but the difference is not noticeable to untrained ears anyways

[molten lotus]

I use 32khz just because I can

[ocean pulsar]

For recording higher is better
Playback it doesn't matter

[unique wind]

24b 48khz might be beneficial for microphone recordings

but i just use 16bit 48k anyway

[molten lotus]

i mean he is using obs

likely for recording or streaming

i sincerely doubt anything past 48khz will matter

[turbid grove]

That's just in case of a test, for recording, I use Audition

[unique wind]

because it gets downsampled anyway

[molten lotus]

or anything below

[molten lotus]

oh you do recordings?

[turbid grove]

with this

[ocean pulsar]

Yes but it's better to control the downsampling than just let it do whatever

[turbid grove]

For different stuff, podcast, YT videos, sometimes playing insturments

[molten lotus]

if you will host it on the web that isn't a dedicated playback platform like spotify

it wont matter

youtube and twitch audio quality is too ass to matter

[turbid grove]

I don't except for Instruments that I might want to send to Spotify later, but the rest are just for web

[molten lotus]

yeah it wont matter

even with spotify the odds are it wont be noticeable but do it as you wish

[turbid grove]

but my actual question was something else

I'm making delay testing videos for headsets

with USB input, or Wireless 2.4GHz

[molten lotus]

why are you routing audio for this with obs

there are plenty of programs available that don't require this

even web based tests which I am not sure whether they are accurate or not

[turbid grove]

Like what?
I wanna be able to record multiple Input directly at the same time

Audition can't

[turbid grove]

Depends...

[molten lotus]

a mixer

[ocean pulsar]

Also if you want best results, imo it's better to buy an oscilloscope and do the measurements in the analog domain

[turbid grove]

wait, is that also possible for Wireless stick?

since there's no analog thing

[ocean pulsar]

You put a mic up to the earcup?

[turbid grove]

wireless headset can't

[turbid grove]

that's what I do now

so I measure Sound card dealy

adding it to input delay

comparing it to Direct recording

from PC

just in case to tell the difference between AUX and Wireless

[molten lotus]

I don't follow how or why multiple instruments are related for this test?

[turbid grove]

I know it's not very true

[turbid grove]

I record multitrack
1- Output that is going to that USB wireless from windows
2- Input from Microphone that is capturing Headset output

in most apps, you can't record both at the same time

to check the offset

that's what I need

[molten lotus]

what you are trying to do is stupid because you are artificially routing audio

it will never be faithful to the real performance of the headphone

[ocean pulsar]

What

[molten lotus]

he is using obs to join and split inputs and outputs

which can be inconsistent

[ocean pulsar]

Even if the routing has 100ms of lag or whatever, the reference signal will also be delayed by that much

[turbid grove]

yeah so what I do?

[molten lotus]

I don't know

I just know that it isn't this

[ocean pulsar]

Klaus
If you don't know what he's even doing, how can you know that it's wrong?

[turbid grove]

I just did it in OBS for 1 headset, I found 14ms + adding default delay of sound card 5ms = 19ms which is close to 21ms that other people tested

but I'm not sure if it's anything true

[molten lotus]

same

because with voicemeeter (shit program) I know it isn't

[turbid grove]

I'm not using that program

[molten lotus]

for obs I am unsure but I wouldn't be surprised if it was also inconsistent to the numbers the program presents

[turbid grove]

OBS can use direct driver with no delay that windows adds

But all I'm unsure is how much is my Sound card delay,

I saw 5ms in that app but that couldn't be true

[molten lotus]

I am not sure if that is how it works

[ocean pulsar]

Why does it matter?

[molten lotus]

this too

[ocean pulsar]

If you take out the headset and do a direct loopback, that should tell you

[cobalt sparrow]

https://youtu.be/M6bEUPai_rs
Is this why I hated my moondrop chu's 3k-ish hump, but im fine with my er2se?

[molten lotus]

realistically you wont be using the headset without the sound card anyways

so it doesn't matter if it does

[ocean pulsar]

Unless it's usb

[molten lotus]

it is usb

[turbid grove]

To have a more detailed delay, for example AUX 19ms less delay than USB Wi-Fi, then how much USB wi-fi delay exactly is

I need to add mic delay to that

[turbid grove]

When it's wireless it's impossible

or USB

I mean, how Rtings is doing this?

I can't figure that out

they never mentioned how they do it

[ocean pulsar]

Well here is the other thing if you are removing the Windows driver that comes stock then technically that's not even a stock result that is a modified result using a non-stock driver

[turbid grove]

How did they measure this for example?

no one knows and they never said anything on website articles how they do it

I wanna learn to do it too that's all

I did test the same headset with my current method (OBS) and all three times I got around 40ms, so this 37ms is true

and maybe more accurate than mine

but how?

[lean grove]

press those blue question marks

[lean grove]

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/connectivity/bluetooth#test_595

[turbid grove]

OK Bluetooth transmitter, but this headset uses Wi-Fi 2.4GHz and it only works with the same USB Stick

there's no way to test it with something else

[ocean pulsar]

They use the pc

They probably calibrated it to know the exact delay

Then they add the headset and add that delay

[turbid grove]

wait can you explain it more?
I connect headset Wi-Fi stick to PC
then what?

capturing audio from sound card with mic in the headset?

and comparing it to what?

[ocean pulsar]

A wired mic for example ?

[turbid grove]

I still didn't get it

there must be 2 sources to compare and offset the delay right?

[ocean pulsar]

Yep

[turbid grove]

when you use USB stick wireless transmitter, and record that from headphones with a mic

you will have the delayed audio

what is your main source to check the offset

[ocean pulsar]

A wired mic of some kind

[turbid grove]

again I don't understand this one

[turbid grove]

what that second mic is recording? from what source?

to determine the delay

[ocean pulsar]

The headphones if you are testing the headphones or the mic if you are testing the mic

[molten lotus]

you can measure the delay of a microphone/interface using a playback loop if that is what you are asking

[turbid grove]

Can we do it step by step so I get it?

[turbid grove]

No I'm asking if I transmit audio to headset wirelessly, then capture it with mic, for the delay test, what is the main source of audio you compare to? and how

EX: On OBS I capture Output device so I have 2 audio tracks

[molten lotus]

ah ok

no idea tbh

[turbid grove]

output, headset sound captured on Mic

and I offset them

what is Rting offseting?

I don't understand that

[turbid grove]

if we gonna test wired mode, yeah that could be easily done, but wireless with Wi-Fi transmitter, no way

[ocean pulsar]

You use a base unit as your reference

For example wired speakers

[turbid grove]

so they play audio from both headset and Speakers, then comparing it?

by recording with the mics

2 mics for exmaple

one for Speaker and one for headset

[ocean pulsar]

For example

[turbid grove]

then it still can't be accurate that much

and they said it too btw, depends on the device etc

but we can get an idea of difference between AUX and Wireless at least

on the same device

to tell which is better

[ocean pulsar]

It can be accurate to half the sample rate they record the mics at

They wouldn't run them at the same time

[turbid grove]

what do they do then

[ocean pulsar]

They would measure the delay of 1 then the delay of the other

[turbid grove]

Once monitoring speaker, once mic in headphones

But that's not possible again

[ocean pulsar]

Nope

[turbid grove]

there must be a simultaneous test

[ocean pulsar]

Why?

[turbid grove]

I have a headset that works with Wi-Fi

I capture the audio with a mic in the headphone

how do I say how much the delay was?

there should be something

[ocean pulsar]

Trigger the Audio with something

[turbid grove]

what do you mean

[ocean pulsar]

Make an app that plays a sound on mouse click for example

[turbid grove]

and an app that capture that mouse pulse signal and records microphone at the same time

then match the click pulse to audio playback

from mic

[ocean pulsar]

No
You would have an Arduino trigger the mouse

To be precise

[turbid grove]

can you tell me one thing, I still didn't get it

what do you recommend to do for the test, to capture audio only with 1 mic and determine the delay

as it seems it's what they are doing idk

these kind of website should make a video of how they do the test, really

[ocean pulsar]

Thing is tho it doesn't mattet

As long as it's the same way each time

[turbid grove]

For example:
nobody tested the PS5 controller delay in AUX port when connected wirelessly to the console

I wanna find a way to test that, as many people ask me to do it

but I don't know how...

I made a lot of headset tutorials on my YT

and got many views

now I'm planning to take it to the next level

and I thought maybe this delay test would help

but 2 days I'm stuck

can't do it

and this Rtings even measures USB delay

I can actually use these info in my videos for people, but if I do it myself, there will be more trust you know

[ocean pulsar]

No shame in acknowledging the pros

[turbid grove]

My mind is blowing up haha in these two days, I've got many stuff that I knew are needed for these, but still, can't do it

Maybe I should slow down... and think of other aspects of audio and headphones, what else I can add in the videos, to add more value

[elder coyote]

Heyy what are some good sounding bluetooth headphones under like $80 or so?

Maybe an anker soundcore?

K361BT

[molten lotus]

k361bt if its in your budget

[elder coyote]

These seem neat but they are kinda expensive 🫤 are they worth it over some soundcores?

[molten lotus]

or n700nc if possible

better than both

[elder coyote]

Its not for me, its a gift

[molten lotus]

ah ok

n700nc is good

k361bt is not as good but its alright

doesn't have anc

[elder coyote]

Bro $300 😶

[molten lotus]

it costs 100$ normally

[elder coyote]

Like 130 for the akg was a little high 😭

[elder coyote]

Oh fr?

[molten lotus]

where do you live mate

[molten lotus]

yes

[elder coyote]

Cam you find me a link?

[molten lotus]

where do you live

[elder coyote]

Us

Florida

[molten lotus]

house?

[elder coyote]

🫡

😟😟

Yah lol

I can amazon

[molten lotus]

home address?

coordinates?

first name last name?

[elder coyote]

Oh my gosh 🗿

[molten lotus]

also I really have no idea why n700nc costs 300$ in the us

[elder coyote]

So basically

[molten lotus]

I am looking but I don't see any stores

[elder coyote]

133, 21, -21

Currently mining diamonds

[molten lotus]

that's awesome

no idea where to get n700nc though

[elder coyote]

Online? Like shipped to me?

[molten lotus]

I don't see anywhere in the u.s. that sells it for less than 300$

you can likely get more results using google's shopping tab than I can

[elder coyote]

Damn idk where u is but $100 nice lmao

[molten lotus]

google n700nc

and go to the shopping tab

the odds are you will find it for significantly cheaper

[elder coyote]

Eh they are like $180+ used

[molten lotus]

that's pretty expensive

well go for the k361bt I suppose

[elder coyote]

Wait thats still a lot 😭 haha

[summer flicker]

it's very wide. Very much sounds diffused. but it crushes any sense of intimacy. it has depth, just from further away. but it's just not intimate. This is especially apparent with better source gear.

[molten lotus]

no idea then mate

[summer flicker]

hd800 is an extremely technical headphone with the right gear. Sheer resolving ability, its a king. But it takes a considerable amount of source investment to make it even remotely tolerable at which point youll most likely get tired of it anyways if you have exposure to anything remotely natural sounding

at the end of the day, tone is the most important thing in a headphone. you get the tone wrong and it doesnt matter how technical it is

[summer flicker]

it's more like once you realize that headphone stage is a total meme in comparison to speakers, it really stops being much of a desirable trait lol

[molten lotus]

I feel like anyone who likes stax would disagree with this

[summer flicker]

yeah, well. That would be because they like stax

[molten lotus]

by the way as much as I agree with you regarding how huge speaker soundstage is, I never heard it be intimate

have you heard speakers that can achieve that

I think headphones are more advantageous regarding that particular trait compared

[summer flicker]

yeah. intimacy is the one thing that i feel headphones do better. although ive heard people say you can get pretty close with some nearfields

but idk i doubt it honestly

[molten lotus]

same

[summer flicker]

intimacy is actually more important than people give it credence too. I like feeling that sense of, i guess for lack of a better word, "tactility" in my head that headphones with good dynamics and a sense of intimacy can provide

there is a "tactility" to speakers too but it feels totally different

[little veldt]

hey guys, it seems i have a problem with my microphone audio, i bought a hyperx quadcast and the microphone sound keeps adjusting, can anyone help?

[dawn ice]

i mean, sure, but i cant have a proper speaker setup so that doesnt apply to me sadly

[dawn ice]

in a well treated room with a good setup its for sure possible. ive heard speakers before that were as intimate as headphones

its actually a pretty weird experience lol

[molten lotus]

huh

[summer flicker]

me neither. I just realized that its just not worth it to 'chase' soundstage in headphones, when the range at which it varies is basically an insignificant percentage to speakers

[dawn ice]

good setups can imagine starting behind the speakers, all the way right up to your face basically

well, that realization means jack shit to me rn since i literally cant have that with speakers with my place

so its not a possibility for me

best i can do is near field realistically, and headphones can compete with near field stage and be more enjoyable

[summer flicker]

when i heard a good speaker setup i noticed that the range at which other traits vary in my estimation is significantly wider in headphones compared to soundstage.

[dawn ice]

well yah, obvs. speakers are working with a substancially bigger stage so there will ofc be a greater variance in depth

[summer flicker]

things like timbre, micro and macro, a natural sense of transients, and some other stuff. these are all areas headphones vary pretty wildly and can get really good at, stage? not so much

[dawn ice]

for reff, the setup ive heard that could do that was in a pretty well treated hifi shop with rega rx5's

i mean, you wont have the sheer size of speaker stage but it can still be extremely good

getting a 360o stage like you can with headphones, would take a veeeery well treated room

[summer flicker]

actually, you basically cant with headphones, but you can with speakers

headphones have a major issue

you cant hear both channels with each ear

this actually at least, seems to be the reason theres a relative blind spot in center stage depth

and why it goes up rather than forward

there are recordings that seem like they have some center stage depth, but thats usually some level of trickery

[dawn ice]

yah its an issue for a lot of headphones and recordings but there are some that pull it off well

like sus or hek v1

[summer flicker]

havent heard them

[dawn ice]

sus just sounds like speakers somehow

honestly

[summer flicker]

though i sincerely doubt it unless theres some physics defying shit going on

[dawn ice]

it doesnt sound like youre listening to drivers next to your ears

its some sort of black magic

[summer flicker]

it could be that im wrong about it being a seperated channels thing

[dawn ice]

see if you can try out sus at some point

there the only headphones ive tried that dont sound like headphones

aryas will have this quallity at some points as well, where it wont sound like youre listening to a driver and the sounds will just be coming out of nowwhere

[molten lotus]

put hole in your head

[dawn ice]

but with sus, its like that nearly all the time

and its done in a more refined way, idk how to explain it tbh

[summer flicker]

at this rate if the skyrim im trying to mod keeps crashing i might

wait was that too edgy

[dawn ice]

also, both sus, and as far as i recall, hek v1 has basically a perfectly circular stage

[summer flicker]

no ban pls

[summer flicker]

i might eventually. but itl take some motivation to get my ass to an event

[dawn ice]

unicorn lcd3 i tried also had a really good center immage tho it was still a little sucked in on center

was very close to being fully circular

good stage is just really rare in headphones... but its possible

[summer flicker]

again, its just not really much of a priority for me. if i dont like the tone or timbre i likely will not like it regardless of how wide or resolving or whatever it is

[dawn ice]

yah, thats fair

hek v1 presentation and tonality is why i preffer it over sus

even tho its technically inferior in basically every way

tho its still plenty competent in every technical aspect, and stage is still phenominal compared to most other headphones

[summer flicker]

theres a reason why 6x0s are such a staple dispite middling technical performance in many regards

[dawn ice]

eh

i think worshiping 6xx is mostly just an indicator of a lack of experience

[summer flicker]

worshipping is a strong word, but theres not just the 6xx

theres the 600, the 580 and their many variations

either way, its indicative of exactly what youre talking about

[dawn ice]

havent tried 580, but 600 and 6xx is pretty interchangable

[summer flicker]

tonality matters, alot.

[dawn ice]

they dont differ enough to put them in a different category or vibe

yah, its one of the most important aspects

[summer flicker]

many people claim variance issues

[molten lotus]

easy way to tell what is fucking stuff up is disabling half of the mods

if it turns on it is in the half you disabled

so you disable the half of the initial half of the mods you disabled

repeat

[summer flicker]

it has to do with some compatibility plugins i personally made

[dawn ice]

just become disabled

ez fix

[summer flicker]

trying to get them to work

[molten lotus]

just don't play skyrim

[dawn ice]

aight i sleep now

play dark souls instead

[molten lotus]

tbh play oblivion instead

[dawn ice]

tbh play old school runescape instead

[summer flicker]

i have thousands of hours in that game

[dawn ice]

objectively the best game ever made

[summer flicker]

both those games

[dawn ice]

based

[molten lotus]

skyrim is cringe

[summer flicker]

skyrim's good if you mod it

[molten lotus]

I have

it gets better

[summer flicker]

its trash vanilla

[molten lotus]

like all bethesda games

[summer flicker]

morrowind was pretty good. oblivion was alright

[molten lotus]

skyrim is still particularly trash among every bethesda game

it is the most linear open world game ever made

[summer flicker]

unfortunately as bethesda leaned more and more into being an AAA studio and sunk all their budget into increasing the fidelity of their games, the fundamental design suffered

[molten lotus]

with the combat more unresponsive that is worse than games made 10 years before its date

human fall flat has more responsive combat

[molten lotus]

well yeah

lets see how the new one goes

maybe they learned from their mistakes

[summer flicker]

its not even the combat thats my issue, its the completely dead world.

[molten lotus]

wdym

it has like 200 dungeons

all with the same copy pasted layout

its brimming with originality

[summer flicker]

for one, almost every single dungeon in the game is basically just a straight line filled with skeletons

[molten lotus]

that is entirely wrong

there is also draugr

[lean grove]

its a bit like adventure game cookie clicker

time waster fun time to turn brain off

[molten lotus]

cookie clicker still has more responsive combat

[summer flicker]

cant even tell if this is a joke

but yeah kinda what i mean

the overworld doesnt actually have much in the way of interesting landmarks, although they do exist.

[molten lotus]

yeah like that uh

one place that has the uh

[summer flicker]

just scarce at best

[molten lotus]

wolf

and dragon

also castle, can't forget about that one

[summer flicker]

i think at this stage open world rpgs are becoming endangered. people are too jaded after elden ring gave them a taste of finer things

every single one since ER has flopped bad

[molten lotus]

elden ring was still bad

imo

it suffered from the same thing skyrim did except the locations were at least more original

[summer flicker]

bit of a stretch, theres a lot of things to like about it, and its definitely a huge improvement over the cookie cutter bullshit we got for a decade

[molten lotus]

and instead of dungeons having 3 enemies throughout the entire game they had 3 per dungeon

[molten lotus]

it is definitely

still it suffers from the same stuff skyrim does

its absolutely dead

[summer flicker]

the repetitive enemies where only really a problem because the game overstayed its welcome

[molten lotus]

every place on the overworld save for a few landmarks is filled with basic hollows

I think souls should have stayed linear

[summer flicker]

notice how specifically after the halfway mark, youve seen all the enemies

[molten lotus]

at least more so than this

[molten lotus]

I noticed that after the 20 minute mark I have already seen 30% of the enemies

[summer flicker]

its almost like they forced you to play ng+ incoporated in the story

[molten lotus]

which is a bigger issue

[summer flicker]

yes, theres a lot of repetition. thats bad. but then theres also the fact that the game actually rewards you for exploring by stuffing every little secret passage and corner with a fun item, or something potentially lore revealing. The fact that just staring at the landscapes, the walls, the architecture is also in of itself lore revealing and world building