audio-tech

[stone quartz]

'Maximum pseudoscience' sounds like something I want to avoid lol

[molten lotus]

I got muted because I disagreed with the admins

and then left myself

they said decibels are logarithmic and that I am wrong, I apologized to them for making a false argument and they muted me for it

[stone quartz]

Thought they were exponential?

[molten lotus]

isn't that the same thing

"The logarithmic functions are the inverses of the exponential functions"

according to google

so nah logarithmic

[stone quartz]

Ah

[molten lotus]

you can take your chances in ief but they will recommend you hd6xx and other 6** variants

[stone quartz]

Oh, IEF is Crinacle's thing?

[molten lotus]

yeah

[stone quartz]

I see

[molten lotus]

but most of the server populous disagrees with crinacle

[stone quartz]

Always the same with audio servers lol

[molten lotus]

whereas crin likes high end planars ief worships dynamics

[stone quartz]

The owner gets roasted in their own server

I remember the Z Reviews one where he gets called a shill and deaf

[molten lotus]

its pretty funny but I am with crin's preferences on this one

but zeos and dankpods totally had it coming

zeos being a literal sellout and dankpods straight up misleading people

[stone quartz]

Dankpods at least doesn't pretend to know what he's talking about

[unique wind]

grown men use skullcandy crusher evo on max whack

[molten lotus]

oh my pkcell

[unique wind]

id like to own crusher evos just for one specific type of music

phonk/hyperpop with those is probably hilariously fun

[stone quartz]

I don't really understand phonk

What is the appeal of intentionally distorted bass?

[unique wind]

it sounds epic on really bass boosted headphones

[stone quartz]

That is true

[unique wind]

sounds terrible on my he400se so i can see why audiophiles wouldnt like it

haarper is another artist that just sounds substantially better on bass boosted iems

[stone quartz]

A friend of mine has a 12 inch subwoofer in has car and he can do 120dB when he plays phonk lol

Has his mirrors shaking

[unique wind]

it's not supposed to be intellectual or meaningful

it's just fun electronic noises with fun bass

[stone quartz]

And the internet turned it into the chad soundtrack as well for whatever reason

[unique wind]

well haarper just clipped my he400se

with only a +5db low shelf for 50hz-20hz

preamp adjusted so it's not digital clipping

if these cant even play haarper without clipping with linear bass extension theyre going back to amazon

[stone quartz]

You know you pushed it too far when the drivers in the headphones start bottoming out

[unique wind]

nah it just stopped playing altogether

no noise

[stone quartz]

Sounds pretty damaging

[unique wind]

not sure why it happened

they seem fine now

[stone quartz]

My Beyerdynamic headphones have always handled abuse well

Often have them vibrating like Crushers

[unique wind]

mine will not do that

if i touch the bass at all on my 770s they die immediately

either distortion or clipped

they distort heavily stock and will clip if i even raise it 2db

[stone quartz]

that's surprising

[unique wind]

stock at high volumes subbass will make vocals sound like theyre vibrating and breaking apart

oh i might as well try my zetian wu iems on my amp since i got it back out for these hifiman he400se

[stone quartz]

The pads on these look extremely uncomfortable

[unique wind]

that material that contacts your head looks awful

[stone quartz]

looks like denim lol

[unique wind]

yeah screw that

looks like backpack material

[unique wind]

substantially more fun than he400se

no soundstage but the tuning is far more pleasing

[stone quartz]

he only IEMs I own have been pretty awful

Screechy treble that makes them unusable at the volumes I like

[unique wind]

yeah i get exactly what you mean

the kbear ks2 have that really bad

[vernal isle]

https://youtu.be/nvIL9xhhNwY

Anybody come across this

The ad is lovely but I can't tell if its just audiophile nonsense

[unique wind]

these iems feel comically bass boosted coming from he400se

i guess they are in comparison

[vernal isle]

Would love to see a shortcircuit review of it

[unique wind]

nup i havent seen that walkman

i have an og walkman tho

[vernal isle]

Yeah I love my walkman

[lean grove]

If you want a specific device that only does music, it makes sense. But if you live in the 21st century and have a phone, it doesn't really make sense.

They did a short circuit on another DAP

But they gave it to James and he said some dumb stuff

[vernal isle]

The only use case for such a device is if I'm out on a hike/out running

And I don't want to bring my phone with me

[unique wind]

looks just as big as a phone in the thumbnail

[vernal isle]

But I picked up a garmin watch there and it can do audio so 🤷‍♂️

[stone quartz]

Sony is known for audiophile nonsense lol

They made an audiophile micro SD card

[unique wind]

sony is much more into video than audio

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/-3YbMYXcwrU

[vernal isle]

Good lord

Is it made from "low resonance" materials or some rubbish

[unique wind]

finna glue the modmic wireless magnet to one of my iems

produce the truly wireless iem + mic setup

[stone quartz]

I've never seen the appeal of these expensive DAPs

Meant to delete the text

[vernal isle]

Idk why you would get a DAP when you can just get a nano

Does basically all you need

[unique wind]

daps just seem inconvenient to me

[lean grove]

Well. Daps offer a high quality output.

[unique wind]

i see portable amps as more of a laptop companion device than something to carry alongside your phone

[lean grove]

But you can get dedicated dac amps that hook up to your phone that are just as good if not better

[stone quartz]

I'd just but a decent portable DAC/amp and connect it to my phone via USB

The xDuoo XD-05 Plus seems like a nice one

[unique wind]

if youre gonna plug iems into the dap anyway you might as well just buy fiio utws5

[lean grove]

They are literally a second phone without cell service that is meant specifically for music.

[unique wind]

and get decent amps truly wirelessly

but then not lossless i know

but are you really doing your morning run thinking damn this music is only 420kbps instead of 1411kbps :/

[stone quartz]

I'd happily give up a lossless signal for the convenience of a wireless experience tbh

Most of the time

I've just gone back to Spotify

[unique wind]

i dont think iems can actually benefit from lossless anyway

[vernal isle]

I do miss the simplicity of my ipod sometimes

[stone quartz]

With Apple Lossless, my iPod Touch sounded pretty nice

But it's only 64GB so it can't hold many songs in lossless

[unique wind]

i had an ipod touch but i only had it because i wanted an iphone but couldnt afford one

and/or my parents didnt want to give me an iphone at age 8

[stone quartz]

I think I got mine about 10 years ago now

[unique wind]

11 years for me

got it at 8, now 19

[stone quartz]

Before they even had cameras or an internal microphone

[unique wind]

what version did u have

[stone quartz]

3rd gen

[unique wind]

i was rocking a black ipod touch 4

just tried to stand up and forgot im using my iems wired

yanked my amp off the top of my pc

im accustomed to using these with fiio utws5

easy solution i just need to buy a bigger heavier amp so they disconnect instead of dragging the amp with them next time

[unique wind]

woah

the touch 3 is a completely different device than the 4

didnt realize they started with no camera or mic

i thought that was the whole point of diverging from the original ipod

[stone quartz]

Yeah

[molten lotus]

maybe it's the connection or the song itself

[stone quartz]

They used to sell an external microphone that plugged into the headphone jack

looked ridiculous

this was longer ago that I thought lol

[unique wind]

looks kinda funny

[leaden cloak]

at least its high quality

[stark aspen]

lmao

[restive sigil]

if you dont see the appeal, then its not marketed for you xD

[ebon bramble]

Sony WH-1000XM4 vs Audio-Technica ATH-M40x Can i get a opinion on this, Im loking for everyday use and also for professional use

[ebon bramble]

also what has the most flat sound

[molten lotus]

xm4 is terrible for professional use and is definitely not flat

m40x is just bad but its fine for pro use

[ebon bramble]

🥲

[kindred mica]

I’m using Sony XM3 headphones right now for traveling and such. In the next 12 months I’ll be traveling a LOT do you think it’s worth to upgrade to something newer?

[unique wind]

if you’re happy with them then no probably not

[unborn summit]

i am connecting edifier speakers

do i connect speakers how

red to red or red to black

you know cables without ports

what do i do here

oof

help

please

[unique wind]

color to color

black to black

positive to positive negative to negative

left to left right to right

[unborn summit]

does it matter which wire i use for which

so i use silver for one black to another black and bronze from one red to another red

[unique wind]

yes

[unborn summit]

so i need to clips it or i can just stick it in

[unique wind]

you push the tab down and shove the wire in then release the tab

and it’ll clamp down on the wire

[unborn summit]

as far as i can or do i leave it little out

[unique wind]

put it in as deep as it’ll go but don’t push unreasonably hard

[unborn summit]

does it matter which wire i choose for which

[unique wind]

unless they have positive or negative written on them no

[unborn summit]

they look both same cooper but one silver and another bronze

[unique wind]

just make sure if you use silver for black that it’s silver for black on both speakers

[unborn summit]

ok

ty a lot

[unique wind]

it tells you in the picture which to use though

the one you sent

it says bronze = positive

positive is the red port

so both ends of the bronze should go in the red ports

and silver in the black

[unborn summit]

is this ok

[unique wind]

if you got it right they’ll work

looks right to me though

[unborn summit]

ty

red to red bronze

black to red silver

let me see

haha if it works now

actually they do work now

but sound a little muddy

now i switched it from red to green

i mean i guess they work now

[unborn summit]

sound is coming from both of them so i guess it is powered correctly right

are there any drivers or eq i need

[unique wind]

i don’t know but i don’t think so

[blissful widget]

hello everyone. Does anybody know why I can't use my airpods mic on my recently built computer?

am I missing some drivers or something?

I've got a headset with included mic, and it works

also when I use programs like discord, it mutes everything else

i've tweaked the settings a wee bit, but nothing has worked so far

[lean grove]

When you hook up a Bluetooth headphones to windows, it registers as two different devices.
One device is the headphones without a mic.
One device works as a headset with a mic.

So you'll have to go into your devices or audio devices and specifically pick the Bluetooth headset button

[blissful widget]

@lean grove

[lean grove]

Windows

Not discord.

[blissful widget]

ah

yeah

haha

[lean grove]

Actually

That "headset Edsels airpods" should be the one you're looking for

Ah

[blissful widget]

yeah but the mic doesnt work

[lean grove]

I know

Yeah you need to change it in windows

Make sure your output is also the headset (Edsels airpods)

Not headphones

[blissful widget]

@lean grove

i can't hear the mic even tho it's selected

[lean grove]

Idk then

[blissful widget]

😅

[molten lotus]

select the mono playback device instead of the stereo one

there should be two

[blissful widget]

theres this and what I showed in above's screenshot

[molten lotus]

what the fuck

[blissful widget]

oops haha

[blissful widget]

yeah...

[molten lotus]

do you see any disabled airpods in there

[blissful widget]

idk why there are so many digital outputs

nope

am I missing some drivers?

might be it the bluetooth dongle I bought?

[molten lotus]

I don't know honestly

erm

when you use a different device for the playback

can you use the airpods mic

[blissful widget]

doesnt seem to be working

[molten lotus]

no idea honestly

[blissful widget]

[stark aspen]

https://www.soundguys.com/razer-barracuda-x-2022-review-75741/

Thinking of getting that
Has decent audio, kinda decent mic, in my budget, and wireless, detachable mic

thoughts?

[unique wind]

if you already have working headphones i’d recommend you save up for something better

if you don’t have anything to use right now then they’d be an alright option

[stark aspen]

👍 , think I will get them

good enough for my use case

[molten lotus]

its very bad

[stark aspen]

whats wrong with it?

[molten lotus]

the sound

[stark aspen]

Im looking for a budget headset

[molten lotus]

cloud 2

barracuda is not super terrible but

when something like the cloud 2 exists

its a completely redundant option

its overall not a good headphone and not a good headphone in its price bracket, there is little reason to buy one

[stark aspen]

hmmm

[stark aspen]

Okay thanks

[molten lotus]

np

[stark aspen]

Thoughts about this: https://www.soundguys.com/steelseries-arctis-nova-3-review-77788/

[lean grove]

🤢

[stark aspen]

😢

[stark aspen]

reason being?

Has good sound, good mic

[lean grove]

"good sound" is a stretch

[stark aspen]

lol, ik, but looking for budget headset

budgettttt

$100 or less

[lean grove]

What's wrong with what Klaus said

[lean grove]

You were there. It was almost 15 minutes ago

[molten lotus]

doesn't have either

cloud 2 doesn't have a good mic either tbh

also stop reading soundguys reviews

they rate everything 8 stars

[stark aspen]

Lol that's so true

[stark aspen]

Fudge

[ocean pulsar]

its fiiiine

mh752 is gud tho

[blissful moat]

I currently use HyperX Cloud 2, kinda used it for like idk 4 years at this point. Is there anything better that I should do research on?

And no, don’t say AirPods Max I swear to god I’m not spending that money

[lean grove]

Hifiman susvara.

[blissful moat]

Explain

[lean grove]

Just Google it.

Have you googled it yet

[blissful moat]

No

[molten lotus]

what of it

[flint galleon]

airpods max r pretty good just the case sucks

[lean grove]

Idk man. For $500 I think you can do better.

Assuming you don't absolutely need wireless.

[flint galleon]

you can but i liked them a lot tbh

[clear sedge]

If you're gonna dump 500 bucks on wireless then buy 400 dollar headphones and a qudelix or fiio dongle

[lean grove]

That's what I'm thinking

Noise cancelling is an issue

But honestly. $100 iems are pretty damn good

I'd you want the comfort of headphone then... Lol

[molten lotus]

if you want 500 on maximum portability then in ears it is

but for home nothing is going to beat xs with qudelix

[wild willow]

what do you guys think about the DT 990 pro in comparison to the hifiman he400i 2020?

[molten lotus]

id rather take 400i

dt880 i may prefer to both

[wild willow]

okay thanks

[stone quartz]

I cannot believe how awful the Moondrop Starfields sound

They're similar to some discount Skullcandy earphones, but with added piercing treble that makes my ears ring

[molten lotus]

ear issue

[stone quartz]

Could it be the fit?

[molten lotus]

you probably have a weird ear shape that causes some resonances somewhere

it could be the fit

[stone quartz]

They scream anywhere between 2.5K and about 8K

Snare drums make me wince

[molten lotus]

it may just be genetic

[stone quartz]

Maybe

[molten lotus]

arias are bright but they are not unusably bright

[stone quartz]

They're also very uncomfortable for me, so I'm sticking with overears

[molten lotus]

like apart from one peak at 15khz arias and starfields are on point

except for the dip beforehand in treble

[stone quartz]

I unfortunately don't have any other IEMs to compare them with

But traditional earphones have never been a problem for me

Found only a few other people that have the same experience as me, so it likely is genetic

[molten lotus]

no idea

[hoary raven]

What's the consensus on the Scarlett? Good entry level interface?

[stone quartz]

The Solo?

[hoary raven]

Ye

[unique wind]

it’s not good

[stone quartz]

I think it's similar to the Behringer one for quite a bit more money

[hoary raven]

Ah

[molten lotus]

its worse than the behringer one

for a lot of money

[stone quartz]

Oof lol

[unique wind]

the headphone output is worse than a motherboard’s output

[stone quartz]

The headphone output on the second gen one I used once was pretty awful

But I was trying to drive 250 ohm headphones

[unique wind]

i have a solo third gen and it’s not usable with any earbuds or iems

very audible hissing

[hoary raven]

I'm just using it for a cheap hand-me-down XLR mic, ive got edifiers and hd6xxs so iems are a non issue

But I'll keep looking

[molten lotus]

just grab an m track solo

its not like you can't buy a good interface for the cost of a focusrite solo

[stone quartz]

Looks alright

The knobs look like a pain to adjust, though

[molten lotus]

its fine

[unique wind]

they look pretty normal to me

[molten lotus]

you don't need to adjust the knob when not using headphones anyways

[stone quartz]

I was going to get a Motu M2 for a while, but then I stopped talking on Discord regularly so there was no point

Just got the super cheap Behringer

[unique wind]

pretty sure the behringer um2 is still better than a solo

[molten lotus]

it is

but m solo is like 10$ more

or 20

[stone quartz]

I don't remember paying that much for it

[hoary raven]

M track is actually $10 cheaper on amazon

[molten lotus]

it went up quite a bit

[stone quartz]

Only went up by 10 here since Sep 2022

[molten lotus]

used to be like 40 eur initially

um2 was like 25-30

[hoary raven]

Waow

[stone quartz]

Seems like a lot of money for that

[hoary raven]

Well it's canadian

So divide by 1.25

[stone quartz]

Ah, I see

[molten lotus]

canada not having their own symbol for dollar is so god damn stupid

[stone quartz]

~£40 here

Which is about the same

[stone quartz]

Retailers seem to use the letter C sporadically

I guess the assumption is that people shopping there will be Canadian

So there is no point

[haughty girder]

Good enough, expensive though for what it offers

Arturia Minifuse is a cheaper alternative which is as good or better

Other alternatives would be like UA Volt or NI Komplete Audio

Presonus is fine but not as nice to use as the others in the case of the 24C (the only one I'd consider from them)

Motu M2 is a good alternative for the 2i2 as well

[hoary raven]

interesting

[haughty girder]

Basically what I'm saying is Scarlett is expensive and kinda old now

but it's still decent enough to not be trash

[stone quartz]

Are the Scarlett condenser Microphones any good?

Can find those cheap used

It looks like one of those shitty Neewer ones

[haughty girder]

I'm assuming that's the CM25?

[stone quartz]

Yes

[haughty girder]

it's eh

[stone quartz]

They also have a few with no model number printed

[haughty girder]

it's workable

[stone quartz]

Just Scarlett Studio

[haughty girder]

but far worse than stuff like the neat king and worker bee/ii

[stone quartz]

Those bee microphones seem to have flopped hard

[haughty girder]

uh...?

[stone quartz]

I remember they started off expensive and they ended up almost giving them away

Unless I'm thinking of something else

[haughty girder]

everyone hated how the first gen looked

but they were appreciated for the sound

so it ended up decreasing in cost but not giving away prices...

[unique wind]

the king bee 2 is highly rated

[stone quartz]

I'm probably mistaken

[haughty girder]

they all are

but man... the first gen mics really were sth

[stone quartz]

That seems like a good price for a C414

No shock mount, though

[molten lotus]

400gbp for a mic

[bitter hollow]

usually goes for at least like 900

usd

[molten lotus]

900 usd for a mic

[bitter hollow]

yeah

[stone quartz]

Too much for most home users

[bitter hollow]

it's a pretty standard studio mic

[molten lotus]

dying of cringe

[haughty girder]

you're also not the market for it

[stone quartz]

At least it's not as expensive as a U87

[unique wind]

$900 for a mic is cringe but $5000 headphones with terrible tuning are valid

[haughty girder]

meanwhile yall buying quadcasts yeti and at2020

[molten lotus]

they are yeah

[unique wind]

i still want an earthworks ethos

[stone quartz]

I hate the Yeti lol

[unique wind]

but i want the black version

[stone quartz]

It's unnecessarily large and everyone has one

Same goes for the Snowball

[haughty girder]

it doesn't even sound that great...

[bitter hollow]

you see, if music is only recorded with $5 mics then any tuning sounds the same

[unique wind]

but i’m not paying an additional $350 to have it painted black

[molten lotus]

behringer c1 is endgame

ill die on this hill thanks

if you need any other microphone you are incompetent

[stone quartz]

Is the C1 a clone of the CO1?

[unique wind]

$40 microphones with $10000 headphones is meta and balanced

(satire)

[molten lotus]

$40 microphones with $10000 headphones is meta and balanced

(non satire)

[stone quartz]

It's hard for me to believe headphones that expensive are much better than some 1/10 of the price

[unique wind]

they’re not

[molten lotus]

depends on the headphones

[unique wind]

and a lot of the summitfi headphones have horrible tuning with gaudy aesthetic and questionable build quality

[molten lotus]

None of which Michael has listened to

[stone quartz]

I remember seeing how ridiculous Linus looked wearing these

[haughty girder]

Diana > 1266

[haughty girder]

such as?

[unique wind]

audiophiles convincing themselves that psychoacoustics defy science with expensive headphones and that driver type/technology outweighs 5-10db erratic peaks in frequency response

[haughty girder]

source>??

[unique wind]

but cringing when cheaper headphones have slightly non standard tuning

[unique wind]

1266

[haughty girder]

1266 isn't summitfi

[unique wind]

you’re right it’s pocket change

i could buy one right now

it’s for poorons honestly

i won’t though because it’s a bad headphone

[stone quartz]

It feels like most of the expensive audiophile stuff exists just to part dreamers with their money

[haughty girder]

You know how much home theatres cost to start?

and that wouldn't even be considered hifi

1266 is hifi class at best

[unique wind]

how do you define hifi

[haughty girder]

summitfi would be... every version of orpheus

the class or hifi as a term

because hifi means highly faithful to original

which no headphone is

[unique wind]

because you consider a headphone with horrible tuning for its price to be hifi but not $$$$$$ home theater setups with elaborate room treatment and eq

[haughty girder]

the class hifi would be about 1k-ish to maybe 8k

summit should be the best of the best... and most expensive of expensive

[unique wind]

according to who

[haughty girder]

Community?

[unique wind]

who

[haughty girder]

the audio community

outside of reddit

I mean... it's the same question who defines human generations

[unique wind]

if we’re just pulling names out of our ass then i don’t think any headphones are hifi

headphones are always a compromise

[haughty girder]

guess what I fucking said

[unique wind]

what’d you say

i can’t think of a guess

[molten lotus]

No it doesn't

[unique wind]

none of these terms have concrete definitions

[molten lotus]

Yes they do

[haughty girder]

high fidelity?

[molten lotus]

It is certainly not highly faithful to you the original though

[molten lotus]

Yes

[unique wind]

no only i have the credentials to define these terms

and i haven’t done so yet

therefore there are none

[molten lotus]

That's not the version of fidelity used in the term high fidelity

the fidelity is closeness to the original track not the original

[haughty girder]

...

you get what I meant

[molten lotus]

now I do what you are getting at

[unique wind]

1266 can’t give you that even though it’s $5000 because it was tuned by a 5 year old

[molten lotus]

Still according to this headphones are far more hifi than speakers

Because of their ability to reproduce audio far more perfectly

[haughty girder]

consistently

not perfectly, because human ears are wack

[unique wind]

can’t wait until ears go obsolete

[molten lotus]

I was implying it wasn't perfect since I called it more perfect

[haughty girder]

also michael you've mentioned 1266 more times than any other headphone so far

is there a reason you're using 1266 to represent "hifi"?

[unique wind]

yeah because i’m baiting and shitposting

[molten lotus]

he hates it and has not even listened to it

[unique wind]

and people get mad when i diss it

[lean grove]

Michael doesn't have a single high fidelity in his repertoire

[unique wind]

that’s correct

[haughty girder]

first thing I said was diana > 1266 which I actually think is true

[lean grove]

He recently bought shp9500s as his first open back

[haughty girder]

Oh.

[molten lotus]

I don't disagree

[unique wind]

i don’t have shp9500

[molten lotus]

aint no way

[lean grove]

I know I lied

[unique wind]

based

if you used he400se in an apartment complex then everyone in the entire complex could hear the lyrics of the songs you’re listening to

they might as well be omnidirectional they leak so much

[haughty girder]

welcome to planar drivers

[unique wind]

they’re like as loud as iphone speakers

i don’t care i just find it funny

[haughty girder]

how loud do you listen to music....

[unique wind]

they’re capable of being that loud, i don’t listen that loud

most of the time i’m a very low volume listener

i kinda want to own an actual db meter

because there’s no way phone apps are accurate

oh i didn’t realize they were so cheap

i’m definitely buying one so i can gauge how loud i use my speakers

[summer flicker]

Apyss

we really sitting here debating the finer points of needing to hear something to know that an audio company willing to charge you thousands of dollars for cables is not willing to completely bone you on their other products and that they make good headphones?

they scam with cables, their headphones measure worse than a broken scale, it looks, swims, and quacks like a duck

[lean grove]

idk man. the debate is being held by people with zero intension of actually buying anything from abyss

[summer flicker]

well, that's good at least

[lean grove]

this is ltt

hd800 is the highest fi it gets here

[shy lodge]

not like hifi means anything really

and there isn't a linear scale to audio quality

if you say hifi is high faithfulness then vinyl is not hifi

digital passes because a human cannot differentiate a high enough sampled digital recording from an analog one

[stone quartz]

https://youtu.be/mE4tO_dIDKA

How is this any different to a CD player?

I thought the main appeal of records was the ability to put down the stylus and watch it spin

[shy lodge]

vinyl is made for needles

which requires to modify the sound wave to not make the needle skip

that is the reason why vinyl sounds "warmer"

like sure, you could make it 100% accurate

but then it would be no different to a CD (for a human)

[stone quartz]

I think it's pointless to

[shy lodge]

since once sampling rate gets past a certain point humans cannot distinguish it anymore anyways

[stone quartz]

What would you say that threshold is?

[shy lodge]

wait lemme look it up again

the common 41khz was more than enough though

[stone quartz]

I can't tell the difference between 44.1 and 192 personally

[shy lodge]

ah yea

was double of the peak of human hearing

so double the typical 20khz

if you can hear higher frequencies that would still be doubled

[shy lodge]

since you need 2 samples to perfectly reproduce a sinus wave

[stone quartz]

People that claim to be able to hear way beyond 20KHz are bullshitting lol

[lean grove]

There is a point to higher sample rates just not what most people think

[stone quartz]

I'm also not convinced those frequencies can be felt either in the same way that very low ones can

[lean grove]

Higher sample rates can change the way a dac operates, making it use different filters which definitely impacts the sound.

[shy lodge]

eh, past that it gets into more esoteric levels, doesn't mean it does nothing

but you are better off with more bit-depth usually

[lean grove]

Every day I have to choose between 8 bit 500khz music or 32 but 18khz music

[shy lodge]

[lean grove]

I knew I should have been going for the 32 hz music

[shy lodge]

middle ground is obv the way to go

always

[lean grove]

No.

[shy lodge]

that being said, people spend waaaay to much money on dacs

(imo)

[lean grove]

Their call. You can live your life bluepilled on a dongle.

[shy lodge]

I mean I use a (cheap-ish) topping stack

[lean grove]

But for music fidelity, I think you should get the highest bitrate you can reasonably find and not worry too much otherwise. Cd rips are lossless after all.

There's zero reason to think you have to choose between high bit low sample or visa versa

[stone quartz]

The most hilarious DACs are those ones they say have to remain powered 24/7

[shy lodge]

a topping e30 is like 120€ and I have not seen any proof how a higher priced dac would change something

[stone quartz]

Because apparently a change in heat will taint the sound

[shy lodge]

I mean

not exactly wrong

[lean grove]

You've not seen any proof or you've not heard any proof

[shy lodge]

neither

[lean grove]

What high end dacs have you used

[shy lodge]

good question

would have to ask my brother what he had

[lean grove]

Dacs have a lot of parts. The chips they use, the filters, the output stage, what connection you use.

There's a lot to them.

[shy lodge]

oh yea obv

literally only part that I don't like about my setup is not having an option for balanced outputs

[lean grove]

So please get some more experience before you openly admit to thinking a $100 dac is all there is to dacs.

[shy lodge]

not intending to spend any more money on it

[lean grove]

It's the dunning Kruger effect in full swing.

[shy lodge]

you are aware how much esoteric bs is in the audio hobby though

you could say that about everything in it

[lean grove]

Im also aware of how many noobies come in with a few pieces of entry level gear thinking they've seen all there is to see.

[shy lodge]

So please get some more experience before you openly admit to thinking that filing the edges of your CDs doesn't chhange audio quality.

I'm not saying I have seen it all

[lean grove]

In fact you're saying you've seen nothing

[shy lodge]

I am just saying I haven't seen or heard proof that there is more to them

if there is please enlighten me

you can't pull out a dunning krüger when I never claimed to know it all

[lean grove]

You even agreed with me here on this part

You say people spend too much on dacs. And that you haven't seen any proof that expensiver dacs change anything.

Despite so many people saying that better dacs are better.

[shy lodge]

obv people say they are better

but when I ask how I rarely get an answer

you still have not given me any

"a different filter" is something different and can change price obv

[lean grove]

People spending thousands on dacs, saying exactly why they like them more, and different people in different communities who say the exact same thing about those dacs despite never talking to each other

[shy lodge]

but how does it sound better

[lean grove]

Read reviews.

There's plenty of them.

Beyond the amir sinad higher is better graphs

[shy lodge]

link me to a good reviewer that is not just copium bs

[lean grove]

And there we have the ambiguous qualifier to make sure you can keep living in your allegorical cave.

"not copium bs"

[shy lodge]

you still have given me 0 solid answers

for what difference they make

or a decent reviewer

[lean grove]

Better separation, more depth, more room for gear synergy and pairing, more options for filters, distortion DSP, outputs, inputs,

Golden one does a good job of reviews

And he even does measurements occasionally

[shy lodge]

thanks

[stone quartz]

Is that the person that exposed that Meridian Audio technology?

Forgot what it's called

[lean grove]

Mqa

[stone quartz]

That's it

[lean grove]

Yeah. He's also a mod on this server

[stone quartz]

I have spoken to him before in this channel

I never really believed in MQA though

It just doesn't make sense to me to be able to make something out of nothing

It's attempting to convert a lossy signal into a lossless one, isn't it?

[lean grove]

Idk what they were attempting to do.

Or at least on the surface level

Their real attempt was to make a audio codec that they can monetize

[stone quartz]

That seems to be what Meridian has always done

putting their name on anything that will make them money

[lean grove]

That's what companies do

[stone quartz]

True, but eventually it just results in all credibility being lost

[lean grove]

That's what all companies do

[stone quartz]

They were putting their logo onto LG Bluetooth speakers at one point

[lean grove]

Don't make me say it a third time

[stone quartz]

There probably isn't that much money in their bespoke speakers, though.

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

Speakers are surprisingly easy to design.

It's just a matter of making them the right size and the right price

[stone quartz]

I believe at this point you can just get some software to do it for you

[lean grove]

The software does cabinet sims, crossover sims. Weird things happen when you start making things the size of a normal Bluetooth speaker

But with enough DSP you can fix most problems.

The hard part is directivity.

[stone quartz]

Are there many DSP solutions that can be purchased and programmed by the average person?

[lean grove]

Yes.

You can get a free EQ app for your phone or software for your PC

There are also lots of pcb amps meant for diy speakers that have DSP built in

As well as whatever minidsp is selling

Lots of pro software meant to turn your goofy budget speakers into studio monitors and all you need is a $60 measurement mic

[stone quartz]

Some of that pro software costs as much as a set of proper monitors

[lean grove]

REW is literally free

[stone quartz]

But room correction is definitely still a big part of it

That looks like a good one

[lean grove]

It's the most common by far.

[stone quartz]

I remember using one a few months ago that would have been pretty expensive if i were to buy a license and messed with the sound configuration on my PC

Dirac Live

Also made my headphones sound like crap on the custom profile, but I guess that's the intention

To achieve a flat response

Actually, it wasn't Dirac Live

It was SoundID Reference

[broken heath]

What’s better a 5.1 channel usb or pcix1 sound card?

[broken heath]

@ me answer

[astral shale]

Hey, can someone check this out? I would truly appreciate any/all help I can get. Thank you kindly.

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1065924660086194216

[unborn summit]

i have he400se and no one around me can hear anything

but i use he400se low to mid volume but even if i put them on high and take them off my head i can barely hear them

maybe we are all deaf

or something else there hahah

[twin notch]

Looking to get the jbl 710bt because I heard its good I dont neccissarly need bt but its a nice to have anyone got any opinions on the 710 or other headphones that may be better in a similar price

feel free to ask questions

[unique wind]

yeah they’re not gonna be able to understand the lyrics in your songs unless they’re breathing down your neck

[unique wind]

if you don’t necessarily need bluetooth then i wouldn’t recommend buying those headphones

[twin notch]

What would you recommend

[unborn summit]

yes they can easily hear it i agree but ti sounds muffled

also covering open sides with your hands is very unpleasing

[molten lotus]

jbl710 tune are decent but they are still decent at most

[gaunt wolf]

Considering getting the Sennheiser Momentum 4

[molten lotus]

bad headphone

n700nc mk2 exists

[mild summit]

Less goo

[gaunt wolf]

Yup, looks like they do indeed exist

[twin notch]

How would the akg k361 conpare

Those are all really expensive

My Maxx budget is 100$

How are the Plantronics BackBeat Go 810 Review

Or the soundcore q30

[molten lotus]

they are quite good

plantronics and souncore doesn't compare

[twin notch]

I see

Someone told me they sound similar

[molten lotus]

its a review site isn't it

[twin notch]

No someone from the crinicle discord

Are the pantronics or soundcore even close?

[twin notch]

If I had to choose between the jbl soundcore or Plantronics what should I choose

I'll still keep the akg in mind

[molten lotus]

they were probably comparing the bluetooth version of k361

which is worse than the wired one

[twin notch]

I see

How would u compare the soundcore jbl and pantronics

[molten lotus]

I don't know I didn't try them long enough to care

but k361 wired is noticeably better than all of the rest

the others are more or less similar

buying them based on which has the best anc wouldn't be a bad idea

[broken heath]

What’s better a 5.1 channel usb or pcix1 sound card?
@ me answer please

[unique wind]

the quality of the device itself matters more than if it’s pcie or usb, but i don’t know anything about any 5.1 sound cards in general

the best way to get surround out of a pc is to use optical out of your motherboard or hdmi out of your graphics card into an AV receiver

[dry stratus]

imagine using fake surround sound card

[unique wind]

real

[dry stratus]

Do real ones exist?

[unique wind]

yes you can use hdmi out of a modern graphics card

it can function like hdmi earc into an av receiver

and you can get real surround on pc that way

i think optical can do 5.1 as well

[white gate]

I'd avoid any internal sound cards unless you absolutely have to

an external DAC is a much better option

[molten lotus]

yeah

given you also feed it 5.1 which is mostly exclusive to movies

[unique wind]

5.1 on a pc just seems incredibly inconvenient unless your whole setup was built for it to begin with

you’d need a meter of open space on the left and right of you for it to be worth it

i think almost everyone who uses surround on pc uses it for racing/pilot simulation setups

[lean grove]

It was good for mad max

[molten lotus]

why was max mad

[unique wind]

i would also like to know why max was mad

[weak rapids]

which one looks better, its a shure sm7b at 55db

[lean grove]

Which one looks better

[unique wind]

lmao

[weak rapids]

the passive aggressiveness lmao

[unique wind]

that’s how audio tech be

[weak rapids]

nah i just know jack shit bout EQ lol, shit sounds muddy and i need to have shit like obs on 400% for it to not be quiet

[unique wind]

it’s a very muddy microphone yes

[lean grove]

Well how about this.

You take a recording

And send it

[unique wind]

if it’s still within your return i would recommend returning it and getting something else

the sm7b needs very extensive eq and proper mic placement to not sound bad in my opinion

unless you’re intentionally going for a muddy sound

[lean grove]

Yeah it's a noobie trap

[unique wind]

it’s the cherry mx blue of microphones

the audiotechnica m50x of microphones

[lean grove]

Every streamer and their mother has it, not showing the mountains of vocal processing needed to make it tolerable

No.

The sm7b is salvageable

[unique wind]

[weak rapids]

nah like actually lol, i had an easier time making my old blue yeti sound good

[unique wind]

i believe you 100%

the sm7b is one of the hardest microphones to eq on earth

[molten lotus]

that is audible clipping

your interface isn't powerful enough

[weak rapids]

its a goxlr

[molten lotus]

it isn't the sm7b's fault

goxlr is a meme

[unique wind]

you don’t need a really powerful interface for a sm7b

[molten lotus]

you do

most stuff does not run it so people use cloudlifters for it

[weak rapids]

i do know that the goxlr is powerful enough to not need a cloudlifter

[molten lotus]

it isn't

since your audio is clearly clipping lol

[unique wind]

i think people send way too much gain into the sm7b

[molten lotus]

because it is very insensitive

[lean grove]

Turn your analog gain down and increase digital gain

[molten lotus]

this but don't boost it

[unique wind]

you can raise the digital gain and use a lower hardware gain so that you never hardware clip

as long as your preamp is clean the noise floor from raising digital gain won’t be noticeable for most people

[molten lotus]

do you mean setting gain to 0dB

or boosting it

[molten lotus]

that is fair

but still

[unique wind]

raising the digital gain

[molten lotus]

sm7b is a very insensitive mic

[unique wind]

you can get the mic to come in at like

-25 in obs with a casual talking volume

[molten lotus]

and you need cloudlifers on most ends to use it

[unique wind]

and then raise it to -18 or -12 in software

[molten lotus]

that is a fair argument

[unique wind]

i do that with all my mics anyway

[molten lotus]

but without digital boosting sm7b often needs cloudlifters and I rest my case

[unique wind]

i put hardware gain at a level of which it’ll never ever clip even if i talk very excitedly

then use compression and digital gain

i can scream and it won’t hardware clip

[molten lotus]

digital gain is a lot better than hardware gain

[lean grove]

You should be using digital boosting everywhere.

Analog boosting to normal listening levels is asking for clipping

[molten lotus]

in terms of destroying audio with clipping

[molten lotus]

for sm7b or in general

[lean grove]

In general.

[unique wind]

all mics

[molten lotus]

that is a cope

[unique wind]

you shouldn’t be using hardware gain to get to normal volume

this is common knowledge

[molten lotus]

it is a cope

unless you are screaming into a microphone it does not clip

[unique wind]

the recommended level of gain to start off with is around -18

[molten lotus]

even with low end interfaces

[unique wind]

but the average volume level on discord and youtube is -6

-12 is a good compromise

[molten lotus]

unless you are doing gamer yells

you do not need digital boosting

[unique wind]

you should only raise hardware gain so high that it’ll never clip with how you use it

if you have to watch how loud you’re speaking actively then your gain is too high

obviously if you scream that’s different

but talking excitedly shouldn’t clip your audio

[molten lotus]

yes

which is often enough for normal levels

[molten lotus]

it shouldn't yes

[unique wind]

i’ve never had that be the case

i can usually only get around -18 before i risk clipping

[molten lotus]

I have never seen the opposite of this case

[broken heath]

Why?

[molten lotus]

bad

and overpriced

there isn't a demand in the hifi market for internal sound cards

or generally in the audio market

so anything not shit passes

[broken heath]

Via usb?

[molten lotus]

yes

anyways

[unique wind]

99% of pcie sound cards are using badly outdated components

with poor designs that suffer from electrical interference

[broken heath]

Is 3 channel audio good enough for recording and streaming?

[molten lotus]

no

it is one channel too much

[broken heath]

$12

[molten lotus]

is 3 channel even a thing

[broken heath]

The green, blue, and pink?

[molten lotus]

that is not what 3 channel means

[lean grove]

You're right. But you absolutely will be screaming into a microphone at some point. Or maybe you get a little bit too close.

You also want a limiter to prevent clipping

Or a compressor

[broken heath]

Then what am thinking of?

[molten lotus]

three outputs/inputs

channel is an audio channel

mono and stereo are audio channels

[broken heath]

Ok are they enough for recording and streaming?

Ok 2 channel audio

[molten lotus]

I don't know what you are planning on doing

you don't need a sound card for streaming and recording

[broken heath]

STREAMINT AND RECORDING

[broken heath]

Ok then, what about home theater?

[molten lotus]

I don't know what you are planning on doing by streaming and fucking recording

alright

I can literally line up ten different fucking mixers together and stream

[broken heath]

Streaming on twitch, posting videos on YouTube

[molten lotus]

I could do percussions

I could do guitar

I could do vocals

I could do opera

I could do multi instrument recording at real time

[broken heath]

Playing the synthesizer also

[molten lotus]

then don't buy a sound card

[weak rapids]

alright so @molten lotus what interface would you suggest? maybe a scarlett solo and a cloudlifter?

[molten lotus]

they don't have an instrument input

you need an audio interface

not a sound card

[broken heath]

Line in (Blue) is instrument right?

[molten lotus]

it works

[broken heath]

Good enough for me

[molten lotus]

but an audio interface is a good investment

alright you do you

[broken heath]

Does capture cards carry sound?

[molten lotus]

yes

[broken heath]

A what?

[molten lotus]

scarlett solo is a bad interface

[broken heath]

HDMI and rca both?

[molten lotus]

google it

[molten lotus]

it should only be digital

rca is analog

[broken heath]

Analog capture cards do exist

[molten lotus]

well if you know they do why do you ask me lmao

[unique wind]

yeah av receivers can mix rear surround information into the L/R

[weak rapids]

alright which do you suggest, one that isnt insane like the Behringer X1222

[unique wind]

and use a true center channel on its own

[molten lotus]

when did you buy the sm7b

[weak rapids]

like 2 years ago, i rocked a shitty presonus for a year

[molten lotus]

my recommendation is to sell it second hand and buy a 20$ microphone which will sound better

[unique wind]

what headphones do you have palpatine

if you’re using headphones with boosted bass or treble it’ll be pretty much impossible to eq a microphone

[weak rapids]

nah bro my headphones aint audiophile grade lol

[molten lotus]

anything not terrible should work

[unique wind]

as long as it’s reasonable tuning

[molten lotus]

yeah

[weak rapids]

its razer nari 💀

[molten lotus]

nvm

honestly

sm7b is a dead investment

sell it and buy a c1 or something

you don't waste money on a cloudlifter you wont use

and you will actually posses a good microphone that will run from a goxlr

[unique wind]

you can easily use a sm7b with a goxlr it’s just impossible for me to help him eq it over discord

that would take forever

[molten lotus]

you need to digitally boost it like you said

and its not even a good microphone

[weak rapids]

ehhh ive always been bad with condensers, i like how much more clarity and natural they are but like damn the background

[molten lotus]

there is no reason to not sell it and get a better mic

[molten lotus]

employ a noise gate

[weak rapids]

oh ik about that

[molten lotus]

I use blue switches and no noise goes through my condenser with a big ass pickup range

[weak rapids]

I still got mad keyboard clicks once i opened it by talking

[molten lotus]

yeah you can fix that with a noise gate

and I have a preset already made for a c1

even if you buy another mic

my honest recommendation is to sell the sm7b and get a different mic

[unique wind]

no microphone is going to delete background noise without processing

[molten lotus]

it is not a good microphone and spending anymore money on a cloudlifter is not a good idea

[unique wind]

that’s just not how sound works

[molten lotus]

yeah

but to be fair different mics can pick up less bg sound

with pickup patterns

[unique wind]

yeah

i know there’s supercardioid

[weak rapids]

honestly would be a good idea for me to sell the goxlr too since i literally cant use it as a soundboard, wireless headphones no worky with it, all it is is a glorified mic interface for me

[unique wind]

is there hypercardioid

[molten lotus]

go for it

[unique wind]

yeah there is interesting

[molten lotus]

plenty of people will pay for a combo of sm7b and goxlr

[weak rapids]

hol up lemme buy the Wave 3 rq 🤓

[unique wind]

i think most hypercardioid microphones are shotguns though

[weak rapids]

nah that would be like the worst decision ever lmao

[unique wind]

elgato wave 3 is actually a completely usable mic

[molten lotus]

you can use an x touch mini with midi mixer (google for videos) as a digital mixer like goxlr

[weak rapids]

my friends always had problems with its software

[molten lotus]

and can get an interface that works better than goxlr for 50

[weak rapids]

best USB would prob be a quadcast or smthn

[molten lotus]

and a mic that works better than sm7b for like 40

[unique wind]

goxlr isn’t a bad interface at all it’s just overpriced for what it is

[molten lotus]

it isn't

but it isn't particularly better than any other interface either

and not certainly better than any of them in its own price bracket

[weak rapids]

its overpriced for a mic interface cause its also a soundboard

of which you can get a soundboard for like $50 that works with all headsets

[unique wind]

it’s overpriced because it has market mindshare

[molten lotus]

yeah lol

[weak rapids]

true

[unique wind]

like the focusrite solo

[weak rapids]

shit what was that soundboard I remember

[unique wind]

(i own a solo i fell for it too)

[weak rapids]

kind of looks like the goxlr mini

was like $99

[molten lotus]

which of the solo variants are good

[weak rapids]

pcpanel

thats what i was thinking of

[molten lotus]

one of them was not very bad or something i think

[unique wind]

no clue

[weak rapids]

so if I wanted to continue with xlr, what interface would you recommend with the c1?

[molten lotus]

m track solo

and eq apo/obs noise gate

[unique wind]

i really like universal audio interfaces but they’re expensive

[molten lotus]

i don't know how to use obs for a noise gate or whether my setup for it would work

but you can ask michael

[unique wind]

you use virtual cable input and output software

and then just use the built in filters like you were streaming

[molten lotus]

do you need to turn it on on startup

[molten lotus]

does it support vst

[weak rapids]

see i remember the problem i hated with my blue yeti was noise gate would work fine for obs and obv discord has a shity one, but when it comes to game chat, aint got no noise gate there

[unique wind]

you can set obs to open at startup and automatically minimize

and yeah it supports vst

[molten lotus]

and also start working?

[unique wind]

yeah

[molten lotus]

pretty epic

I wanted to use reaper for this with asio and stuff but it was too complicated

[unique wind]

you can also use obs to process your webcam

[molten lotus]

yeah I do that to stream shrek movies on zoom calls

[unique wind]

you use the setting to monitor your microphone output with the virtual cable input

and then it’s automatically routed to the virtual cable output

and you use the virtual cable output as your “microphone”

[molten lotus]

reblog if you have voicemeeter

sorry

hate*

[buoyant vale]

voicemeeter

[unique wind]

trashmeter

[swift nova]

the PC38X arrived a bit ago, they're great. Thanks a bunch for the recommendation, Michael!

they do seem a bit quiet though, would they benefit from an amp?

[lean grove]

An amp will make them louder yes

[swift nova]

is there such a thing as a budget amp?

[lean grove]

Yup.

[swift nova]

any recommendations? You guys seem to know your stuff

[molten lotus]

well budget?

[lean grove]

Apple USB type c dongle, or some sort of other dongle that uses a cx31993 chip is the cheapest good option

[molten lotus]

will an apple dongle have higher output than a motherboard

that was mostly not the case on my end

[lean grove]

Well the pc38x isn't exactly hard to run.

[swift nova]

oh cool! I'll give it a try

[lean grove]

So if you're having volume issues, it must be your mobo

[molten lotus]

plausible

[lean grove]

Have you been using the volume knob on the side of the headphones, skloom?

[swift nova]

yessir

[lean grove]

Okay. That was my first thought of if somethings too quiet.

[swift nova]

my mobo was pretty cheap at the time (2017ish) so I'd be unsurprised if it was the issue

[molten lotus]

you would be surprised to know how many motherboards are terrible

[swift nova]

Asrock pro4 z370 iirc

[molten lotus]

issue is knowing the motherboard often does not help us determine its quality

I don't think the sound card schematics are public and even if we knew the schematics and filters we wouldn't know how it actually sounds or measures

[mossy linden]

My friends keep hearing farting sounds through my microphone in discord

[molten lotus]

lmao

[mossy linden]

This is a serious issue

[lean grove]

ibs?

[mossy linden]

Whats that

[molten lotus]

weight unit

a bad one too

[swift nova]

not quite