delayed audio is not an issue
#audio-tech
molten lotus
then what is
the problem is wireless headphones use space meant for headphone tuning for electronics making them sound bad
it isn't directly related to them being wireless, it is correlated
you could use a wired headphone with a wireless adapter and it would be better than most wireless headphones because it doesn't occupy space inside the earcups
trail holly
any recommendations?
molten lotus
put that in ooga booga terms
chip go in earcup
sound bad
chip go not in earcup
sound good because space for sound tuning
what chip?
trail holly
micro
molten lotus
is that microchip what makes it wireless?
bluetooth receivers, digital to analog converters, amplifiers, battery packs, switches for buttons, slots for wire sockets etc
wireless itself isn't bad, it is wireless shoving all of these into spaces needed for headphones to sound good is the issue
ah i got it
so wired headphones sound better
basically
molten lotus
any recommendations?
eq apo with reagate plugin is what I use but it may be confusing
doesn't stuff like krisp work out in discord
trail holly
doesn't stuff like krisp work out in discord
I think what's happening is the voices from videos is being passed through intentionally by krisp
mild summit
chip go not in earcup
The only good wireless headphones our there would be the N700NC M2 tbh
Best ones lmao
mild summit
n700nc mk2 is the best consumer bt headphones i agree
Which is what I'll be getting, I'd want to get a wired option though so I can compare
So, best wired headphones for 200-250 USD?
unique wind
there’s no reason wireless headphones can’t be good but companies spend all their money on marketing and noise canceling instead of sound quality and build quality
molten lotus
or es100 mk2
unique wind
plus they’re tuned horribly usually
and you’re gonna have 200ms of delay unless you’re using aptx adaptive or aptx low latency bluetooth codecs
unique wind
i’m making wired headphones wireless tomorrow
unique wind
i don’t know about either product you named
molten lotus
don't you have a btr
unique wind
i have fiio utws5
mild summit
I can live without wireless though
unique wind
and use a creative bt-w4 to get aptx adaptive on my pc
molten lotus
ill see if there are any aptx adaptive bt adapters
molten lotus
akg k361 probably
since you can't use open backs outside
but may as well get n700nc mk2 if you will also use it for outside tbh
unique wind
i would if it was just nature noise but going in public would suck
unique wind
aptx adaptive is nice
molten lotus
yeah usable for gaming
mild summit
but may as well get n700nc mk2 if you will also use it for outside tbh
Thanks
mild summit
akg k361 probably
Is that better than the K371 tho?
spark stream
any recommendations for a pair of gaming headphones/mic; my alpha cloud is showing it's age
molten lotus
budget?
spark stream
budget?
ideally under $200 or even $100 but I'll listen to others
durable cable is a must though
spark stream
turtle beach was a mistake i made like 15 years ago or something
there's so much snake oil BS in audio shit that it's hard for me to find something within reason
@molten lotus suggestions ?
unique wind
any recommendations for a pair of gaming headphones/mic; my alpha cloud is showi...
if you’re okay with wired then nothing beats the sennheiser pc38x
rugged plover
Hi Michelle
unique wind
hi gas
rugged plover
when are you getting back into the rectangles
unique wind
michael tho
spark stream
steel series is pretty good
what's the difference between these two
rugged plover
yes yes sorry
haughty girder
what's the difference between these two
one is ass and the other is more ass
unique wind
i’m happy with my keyboard gas 
molten lotus
what's the difference between these two
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gm5dMqNSfog slim down the options some
unique wind
if ur getting a wired headset get the sennheiser pc38x
it has both the best sound quality and the best mic quality
spark stream
if ur getting a wired headset get the sennheiser pc38x
whenever i look it up i keep finding this https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-yellow-gaming-headset
unique wind
yeah that’s the one
molten lotus
what's the difference between these two
don't
unique wind
it’s a drop x sennheiser collaboration
molten lotus
steelseries are very bad
spark stream
i don't see sennheiser in the name
haughty girder
it’s a drop x sennheiser collaboration
it's a drop x epos rebrand
molten lotus
steelseries are very bad
wdym!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
i spot sarcasm
i have the arctis 1 lmao
unique wind
the pc38x follows the ideal tuning curve very closely
and it has the best microphone quality
spark stream
highly doubt it but is the cable replaceable?
molten lotus
steelseries engineers trying their best to design headphone hinges that break in two months
haughty girder
i don't see sennheiser in the name
EPOS is Sennheiser X Demant and then kinda split off of Sennheiser's branding to be its own thing
molten lotus
what is epos
haughty girder
But it's similar-ish to the Sennheiser Game one
which was the predecessor to the PC37x
unique wind
highly doubt it but is the cable replaceable?
it has a detachable cable so yes
haughty girder
the PC38x is weird
it's HD600 tuning but the driver just isn't as good but for the price it's fine
spark stream
it has a detachable cable so yes
heck yeah
molten lotus
frick yes dude
unique wind
the pc38x has the best sound tuning, and the best microphone of any gaming headset
and it has a detachable cable
haughty girder
mobius kinda ass
spark stream
I wish the mic was detachable too tbh
molten lotus
where are you going to bring it
unique wind
where are you going to bring it
gonna take it off and put it in my pocket
save it for later yk
rugged plover
i’m happy with my keyboard gas <a:drained:1052820854209269771>
I could always point you in the right direction
lmk
unique wind
i have no room for improvement gas
molten lotus
that small heart attack when you check your pockets and can't feel your pc38x microphone
rugged plover
I had a question though
unique wind
i like plastic cases stuffed with foam
rugged plover
step 1: stuff yourself with foam
molten lotus
step 2 blood floats on blood
unique wind
i doubt there’s any premium plastic keyboard cases for me to upgrade to
if i were to change switches it’d probably be to silent linears of some kind
molten lotus
real audio tech hours
spark stream
i’m happy with my keyboard gas <a:drained:1052820854209269771>
im happy with my $50 mechanical keyboards with cheap ass key caps that are super shiny
rugged plover
if i were to change switches it’d probably be to silent linears of some kind
So haimu heartbeats
unique wind
and i’m not willing to wait months to get my parts
rugged plover
real audio tech hours
sorry i missed Michelle and got bored 
haughty girder
I'm starting to hate linears
rugged plover
oil kings feel nice but they’re heavy
spring swap them
oil kings are like white bread
unique wind
white bread is reliable
haughty girder
oil kings are like white bread
made for basic people
rugged plover
we can’t all be wheat Michelle
unique wind
one hobby at a time
rugged plover
soon
unique wind
tomorrow my new headphones arrive 
rugged plover
did you get grado headphones
molten lotus
grado is comically bad yet people like it for some reason
rugged plover
I like the aesthetics
molten lotus
that's the only thing they have going
unique wind
grado are really interesting looking
molten lotus
bass?
rugged plover
sound is super bright a little birdie told me though
molten lotus
never heard of it I only use grado
unique wind
i feel like if you eqd the treble peaks out they’d be fine
molten lotus
it has so much bass falloff
spark stream
does the PC38X ever go on sale?
molten lotus
you can't eq that in
rugged plover
Why can’t I eq my keyboard
molten lotus
does the PC38X ever go on sale?
ill proxy it to you for 20$ cheaper
unique wind
you can't eq that in
you can if they have low distortion
molten lotus
pay me 50$ for shipping
spark stream
that sounds like a horrible idea
molten lotus
if you eq in that much bass the driver will be unable to move fast enough to respond to other frequencies
rugged plover
made for basic people
I like using them
molten lotus
and its a dynamic driver too
rugged plover
when people ask me for a lower pitched board
unique wind
dynamic hate train
rugged plover
otherwise I use cherry nylon
molten lotus
it isn't dynamic hate train
I am just explaining why equing 20dB bass is not a good idea
unique wind
is it 20db
rugged plover
weird rollercoaster
unique wind
weird rollercoaster
true but i know of $5000 headphones that measure worse that people claim are amazing
rugged plover
true but i know of $5000 headphones that measure worse that people claim are ama...
all I know is
molten lotus
you can't eq these into linearity in a good way
rugged plover
mk2 monarch good
spark stream
wut is this review?
rugged plover
I am clueless otherwise
molten lotus
wut is this review?
go buy penrose
i already mentioned them in the chat before
they are fragile though
rugged plover
what is Penrose
spark stream
they are fragile though
fragile is hard no for me; im a brute with my stuff lol
unique wind
wut is this review?
this person likes a worse headphone
and is ranting in review comments
molten lotus
well audeze will replace them if you break them under 2 years so
rugged plover
huh
molten lotus
that is how warranty works
rugged plover
like any way
unique wind
molten lotus
any way that doesn't make it obvious you fucked it
unique wind
penrose has treble issues
rugged plover
ok
molten lotus
its fine
unique wind
gas trail what keyboard are you using rn
molten lotus
apex 3 like every hobbyist
rugged plover
I am using a scarlet tkl on my desk right now
unique wind
klaus and gas become display enthusiasts when?
rugged plover
it’s not mine but I’m too lazy to ship it
unique wind
(don’t do it you’ll never be happy ever again and you’ll spend a lot of money)
molten lotus
I am too poor to become an enthusiast of anything
rugged plover
klaus and gas become display enthusiasts when?
I uhh
I spent all my money on rectangles
molten lotus
squares are better
rugged plover
the ones that don’t have screens on them
molten lotus
can rectanglecels gtfo
unique wind
i just spent money on circles attached to a rounded rectangular headband
spark stream
open box for under $100 with best offer option, think im going to get it here for nearly half the price
unique wind
if it’s amazon open box go for it they have a nice return policy
rugged plover
can rectanglecels gtfo
what does this even mean
molten lotus
shut up rectangleoid
unique wind
square keyboard when
rugged plover
one second
spark stream
if it’s amazon open box go for it they have a nice return policy
its ebay but it's same seller pays return shipping 30 days thing
unique wind
just make sure it’s from a large company and not a single dude with 5 reviews
molten lotus
I would appreciate if sennheiser wrote how many people died for a unit of he1 was produced
spark stream
apparently they have a bunch of stock for these headphones
wonder how they got so many of em; I think they do repairs
rugged plover
square keyboard when
unique wind
probably a lot of customer returns
because people are used to their headphones being bass boosted
so when they hear normal tuning they’re like ew no
spark stream
😭
molten lotus
people probably buy them and return them to test them
spark stream
I bass boost my ear pods
unique wind
i love bass but subwoofer bass specifically
rugged plover
woof
molten lotus
no more hearing
rugged plover
apex 3 like every hobbyist
Do you actually
molten lotus
do any of you guys know how I can make my pc run hotter
molten lotus
Do you actually
why wouldn't I
great keyboard
not like the chinese stuff
keycorn or whatever
rugged plover
I eat dirt
rugged plover
I’d that good or bad
molten lotus
its weird
unique wind
it’s outright bad
rugged plover
Genuinely no idea if that much/little variation is bad
unique wind
people just say it’s okay because they’re expensive
molten lotus
michael is on his way to becoming an asr user because shit has 3dB deviation
its almost like these are preference curves
unique wind
10db at 5.2k
molten lotus
this says literally nothing he6 also has a dip like this
unique wind
5db at 1k
unique wind
5db at 2k
rugged plover
🐛
unique wind
people only say this when i critique expensive headphones
when we see bad tuning on cheap headphones people get mad
mindshare moment
rugged plover
what are you sharing
unique wind
i’m not sharing anything
molten lotus
because cheap headphones can't make up for frequency response with driver technology
rugged plover
can I have some
unique wind
susvara has good tuning
1266 is just a joke
having a nice driver doesn’t delete science
massive 10db peaks/cuts are garbage
molten lotus
science says frequency response is not all there is to headphones
woah
15dB dip in susvara????
broooo 💀
unique wind
straw man
molten lotus
terrible headphone
rugged plover
it loooks like among us
molten lotus
its literally you
unique wind
no it’s not
molten lotus
literally
unique wind
everyone knows measurements beyond 10k are unreliable
molten lotus
its below 10k
unique wind
i didn’t even mention the 10k on 1266
unique wind
yeah it’s unfortunate but not hard to correct
unlike a roller coaster frequency response
molten lotus
stop coping and listen to headphones
unique wind
if you say these are the same competency of tuning you’re the one coping
molten lotus
my man doesn't understand the definition of a preference curve 💀
molten lotus
blue and red is left and right
unique wind
the solid line on the bottom is the ideal curve
rugged plover
Oh I’ve been going about this all wrong
molten lotus
scientifically this is the ideal target curve
woah another highly regarded headphone not following it
unique wind
yikes
unique wind
you only defend expensive headphones with bad tuning
unique wind
i wouldn’t buy any of those
dense ermine
😳
molten lotus
they are all excellent headphones
dense ermine
Mine lookin like that lool
unique wind
paying several thousands of dollars to get wonky random tuning with high distortion is just goofy
molten lotus
they sound good
and that is what matters
frequency response is not a definition of performance
its a correlation of a bigger equation
unique wind
it’s the baseline
molten lotus
it isn't
unique wind
it has to be somewhat reasonable
unique wind
roller coaster peaks of 5-10db constantly is not reasonable
unique wind
adjusting bass response or rolling off treble would be preference
unique wind
not companies just not caring about tuning at all
molten lotus
its almost like frequency response is not all there is
also all of this follows the assumption that measurement rigs measure things correctly
unique wind
it doesn’t even look intentional
molten lotus
(they don't)
unique wind
it looks like they just didn’t give a fuck
molten lotus
measurement rigs are literally flawed and that is objective knowledge
unique wind
measurement rigs are flawed yet only have issues measuring $6000 headphones with bad tuning
molten lotus
hence why people are excited about the release of the new one that has been hyped
molten lotus
measurement rigs are flawed yet only have issues measuring $6000 headphones with...
and yet people like those headphones better
how curious
unique wind
yeah and most people like very inaccurate display calibration
doesn’t mean those tvs are good as they are
molten lotus
if what you said was correct then akg k361 would be the best headphone there is up until 3000$ in
or hd560s
unique wind
hd560s are extremely good yesh
molten lotus
they aren't
they are literally mid
its almost like there are values you can't measure like layering
unique wind
when headphones are tuned properly and expose that most music genres sound like ass
molten lotus
or impulse response which you don't bother checking
unique wind
most music earlier than y2k sounds fucking awful with neutral tuning
molten lotus
that's related to loudness wars not headphone tuning
any music affected by loudness wars sounds like shit
rugged plover
when headphones are tuned properly and expose that most music genres sound like ...
is there objectively better sounding genres
genuinely interested
unique wind
no
unique wind
there’s only opinions
molten lotus
classical that is recorded by half decent equipment always sounds incredible
even if it's recorded badly it often sounds better than most other songs out there
listen to korsakov's most rated music
unique wind
in my opinion most music doesn’t have anywhere near enough bass
molten lotus
or something from chopin
unique wind
but that’s my opinion
some people love music that was made to intentionally sound bad
like a lot of metal
molten lotus
most music doesn't have enough sub bass
rugged plover
yeah
molten lotus
normal bass they do have
rugged plover
some metal heads like poorer production value because it sounds more authentic?
unique wind
like some slayer was made intentionally harsh sounding and people like it
rugged plover
Unsure of the reasoning
molten lotus
some metal heads like poorer production value because it sounds more authentic?
nah
99% chance they don't bother
unique wind
a lot of people who make music don’t have any understanding of audio equipment themselves
molten lotus
or the audio engineer is 9000 years old and can't hear past 2hz
like with fucking iron maiden
unique wind
you don’t have to know what frequency response is to sing into a microphone
molten lotus
their latest album was the worst fucking mixed thing ive heard in a long time
unique wind
i think nirvana sounds better than almost everything else from that era and before
molten lotus
i don't even think they mastered it just copy pasted some tracks and called it a day
molten lotus
i think nirvana sounds better than almost everything else from that era and befo...
they actually do
king crimson on the other hand
oof
terrible
molten lotus
i liked it before hifi
unique wind
pink floyd is probably the only 70s music i’ll listen to
molten lotus
pink floyd mixing is super weird too
rugged plover
Michael what do you listen to now
molten lotus
their first albums had incredible mixing
molten lotus
then the rest was mixed like shit until other side of the moon
unique wind
emo and meme rap especially
rugged plover
that’s so vast of genre
molten lotus
cringe
rugged plover
I am unsure what I’m listening to now
molten lotus
same
unique wind
been listening to a bit of mac miller but he’s not that good
rugged plover
I think it is jazz fusion
unique wind
jazz slaughters anything else from its era
unique wind
i like the way it sounds
molten lotus
oh yeah
unique wind
it’s a lot more rich
molten lotus
classical too
unique wind
way more bass
rugged plover
I am listening to a band called piper
molten lotus
this is fucked up levels of good
unique wind
bass guitar and saxophone go vrr
molten lotus
in terms of mastering
unique wind
classical and country/folk/bluegrass anything like that are my least favorite genres
actually id probably listen to classical before most metal
molten lotus
disturbed also has decent mixing
unique wind
avenged sevenfold has substantially better tuning than most other bands
molten lotus
has actual bass
rugged plover
what if it is an artistic choice
molten lotus
you can call it that but it is a cope as well
i made this in paint in three seconds
rugged plover
is this your signature
unique wind
but keep in mind a lot of old music is probably mixed with low bass because everyone was running their gear bass boosted to fuck
molten lotus
you can call it artistic choice because i didn't spend 500 hours on it
calling it an artistic choice is a cope out most of the time
they probably didn't fucking bother doing it lets be real
unique wind
just like saying the 1266 is good because the tuning was an artistic choice
the engineers wanted it to look like a roller coaster
molten lotus
keep coping and using your dt770
molten lotus
what do you use
unique wind
i have like 4 hours on those total
i use iems every day
my favorites are moondrop aria and zetian wu
molten lotus
not surprised considering how much you worship tuning
lean grove
Michael is low-fi
molten lotus
he is
unique wind
roller coaster frequency response is hifi
molten lotus
it can be yeah
frequency response is not all there is to a performance of a headphone
unique wind
it should at least look intentional
unique wind
the 6xx treble roll off looks very intentional
molten lotus
unique wind
up and down 5db peaks constantly just looks like negligence
molten lotus
molten lotus
wait no
unique wind
impressive
molten lotus
yeah and people like it
rugged plover
I don’t like it
molten lotus
shut up
unique wind
people like it doesn’t really mean anything
rugged plover
sorry
unique wind
very few people prefer a calibrated display
lean grove
Amir's measurements of headphones are cursed
molten lotus
they are
lean grove
Like
Genuinely untrustworthy
molten lotus
but to my surprise his sundara unfucking eq was half decent
unique wind
they match pretty closely to crinacles
the targets and levels he uses are just different
lean grove
He looks at that massive air resonance from the headphone not sealing properly on the dummy head he uses and thinks it's a presentable measurement
molten lotus
people call crin's measurements badly sealed
unique wind
duct tape the headphone on
molten lotus
meanwhile amir:
molten lotus
duct tape the headphone on
should probably @ amir on that
unique wind
erin’s audio corner is a goat for speakers but idk if he ever did headphones
molten lotus
im very excited for b&k 5128
wonder what sort of improvements it will bring
and how frequency responses will look like from now on
unique wind
i’ll be able to make fun of abyss with more accuracy
unique wind
dunno
lean grove
Objectively untainted by better gear
cobalt sparrow
er2se best
yes
cobalt sparrow
im very excited for b&k 5128
wth is that
rugged plover
bekler and koch
molten lotus
balls and kock
rugged plover
unique wind
👽
molten lotus
lean grove
Who's that
unique wind
i wonder who has the worst damaged hearing on earth
are there people out there who cant hear over 8khz anymore but were born with perfect hearing
specifically damaged though not from a condition
molten lotus
Who's that
random from sg
molten lotus
are there people out there who cant hear over 8khz anymore but were born with pe...
not sure about the exact numbers but this is how hearing issues happen
molten lotus
they can't hear higher frequencies so they don't hear sounds like S
molten lotus
so some of the sounds we make literally don't make sense to them
molten lotus
he doesn't have hearing problems just has not good hearing
unique wind
i wish i could just not hear whenever i go in a store that still has crts
i can hear them across the entire store
although ive heard that some places use anti-child noise makers
playing a super high frequency tone loud constantly
and that store has a ton of history of being robbed by kids
lean grove
its to prevent loitering
unique wind
it definitely makes me not want to stay there
mild summit
Sennheiser HD450 BT? or AKG N700nc M2? 🤔
molten lotus
latter
astral hemlock
Why does like everyone have that steel series headset when it sounds like hot garbage
My 10 dollar skull candy earbuds sounded better
No joke
I returned the headset and went back to my earbuds
Because they had better audio quality, higher highs and lower lows
Oh yeah, the earbuds also don’t hiss
dry stratus
Why does like everyone have that steel series headset when it sounds like hot ga...
Because zoomer techtubers speak low quality = best
fallen shell
yall should i invest in the sennhiser hd 600
chrome island
Why does like everyone have that steel series headset when it sounds like hot ga...
Because a youtuber said it's good, so it must be, just like raycons shadow legends
placid geyser
i heard someone's raycons a while back and i have to admire how they still sell this stuff like its pure gold
but i think alot of people find them sounding pretty good because they never experienced better audio, friend of mine bought a sony xm4 and was blown away at songs he always listened too and that it had so much more in the song then he heard on his old earbuds
lean grove
yall should i invest in the sennhiser hd 600
If youre concerned about cost, you should get the 6xx instead.
dry stratus
but it costs more now and is worse
fallen shell
If youre concerned about cost, you should get the 6xx instead.
ok
meager wave
help me fix my audio not working please
dry stratus
proof Rtings needs to die:
Rtings: "8xx is too similar to HD800"
also Rtings: 6xx and 650 review
8xx ain't even close to HD800, just looks the same
meager wave
Please any fix ?
leaden cloak
proof Rtings needs to die:
They’re only good for graphs
dry stratus
They’re only good for graphs
yes
leaden cloak
It’s too bad they suck at reviewing things. The way they review things is great
But hey, maybe vacuums and TVs are more their thing
dry stratus
It’s too bad they suck at reviewing things. The way they review things is great
arctis pro wireless > focal clear for sound
leaden cloak
Wow…
meager wave
Pleeaase
leaden cloak
You know those cheap samsons or whatever dankpods reviewed? Yeah I think those are one of their highest rated things
dry stratus
You know those cheap samsons or whatever dankpods reviewed? Yeah I think those a...
beats solo and razer barracuda > galaxy buds
razer kraken too
leaden cloak
Superlux HD 681 is in 11th place for sound
Right above that is DT 780 and shp9500
Above all 3 is the 6xx
dry stratus
at least raycon is basically tied with this abomination
leaden cloak
Raycon is about where it belongs on the list
Damn they rated the link buds as the worst too
dry stratus
Damn they rated the link buds as the worst too
arctis pro is only slightly worse than edition XS, we should just all use arctis pro wireless instead
leaden cloak
Well I guess those are one of the best sounding headphones so I guess so
leaden cloak
They’re gonna review the Orpheus and say it’s on par with the Beats Studio Buds
dry stratus
They’re gonna review the Orpheus and say it’s on par with the Beats Studio Buds
delta air rtings review when
leaden cloak
They have a measurement for that I think
leaden cloak
I’m wrong never mind
dry stratus
you should buy a pair of delta air buds
just so you can actually say you use them as your daily
leaden cloak
“Yeah I use them as my daily. I use them once a day, throw up, and go back to my good headphones”
lean grove
at least raycon is basically tied with this abomination
Those are bone conduction. They're not meant to sound good.
fallen shell
https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132
Wait a minute who are you
You can’t be me
I’m mr
Me
leaden cloak
But I’m me
primal fulcrum
You can’t be me
It's you!
primal fulcrum
But I’m me
imp 
ster!
haughty girder
First, grados need fat pad replacements, and that's because it's infinitely more comfortable and seals better and second, it's rolloff is caused by the same thing as ksc75. no seal.
molten lotus
and?
molten lotus
first of all
haughty girder
instead of trying to eq
molten lotus
delta buds need tip replacements
haughty girder
oh those drivers are just ass
molten lotus
and since their driver is also not very great replacing it is of benefit
after that you will also need to tune it yourself
haughty girder
Issue is why get delta when quark exists
molten lotus
and after getting a good response from some chinese oem manufacturer's cheap driver depending on your aim
something like rew autoeq is also beneficial
molten lotus
Issue is why get delta when quark exists
issue is
why would you get grados
they are terrible
tuning wise and technicality wise
haughty girder
there's a reason I don't own a pair
molten lotus
the same way you wouldn't buy delta buds off of ebay and engineer it into perfection
haughty girder
You can find delta buds off ebay?
molten lotus
yes
haughty girder
huh neat
Anyways I have so many pairs of air Canada buds and it's funny how bad they are
and they charge 4cad for em now
haughty girder
tuning wise and technicality wise
Tuning is "fun"
since it's completely subjective
molten lotus
subjectivity has parameters
haughty girder
Like there are iems with massive bass shelves that I actually enjoy
molten lotus
grados' tuning is no different than any other bad headphones
and its technicalities are also shit
molten lotus
it isn't like a 1266 where the technicalities can carry your questionable tuning
haughty girder
So I never say they're bad since some people love it
haughty girder
it isn't like a 1266 where the technicalities can carry your questionable tuning
I hate the 1266 because the diana exists
Same driver, more comfortable, costs less
but then I sorta hate abyss in general since the dms pads thing
haughty girder
Dms pads
on the diana tc(?)
Basically abyss was trying to deny the fact that DMS pads were better than stock
haughty girder
arctis pro wireless > focal clear for sound
neutral to their own target
it's true
They use harman mids and bass and their own measured df treble
and I don't know anyone who actually enjoys rtings target
lean grove
just get a proper seal
You don't need a seal to have bass.
If those pads are increasing bass it's because they're damping the driver, not because they're sealing better.
If it's the foam pads I'm thinking of, they're completely open all around the outside of the pad.
You'd need leather pads to seal a grado. Which is. Yeah.
unique wind
can confirm dont need seal for bass
using my new he400se and the pads do not seal on my head
theyre also itchy
sound is incredibly clear tho
gonna have to figure out how to pad swap
molten lotus
seal helps bass definitely
but it doesn't mean headphones need seal for bass
since you k1000 exists
unique wind
fiio utws5 also doesnt have enough power unless youre using them at like
30/33 volume steps
33/33 is a comfortable casual volume
molten lotus
qudelix time
unique wind
got them hooked up with the iem cable that came with my zetian wu
plugged into my shitty stack
these make every song sound like it has sound stage
just fill in the hifiman dip and raise the subbass up to neutral and theyre ballin
haughty girder
You don't need a seal to have bass.
Didn't say that tho?
I said the ksc75 and grado rolloffs are caused by no seal
that's not a general statement for all headphones
molten lotus
pretty sure its because of tuning limitations
haughty girder
if you've ever tried a headband modded ksc75 you'll know that because there's more clamp there's also more bass
molten lotus
that's because you are bringing the drivers closer to your ears so the bass loses less power over distance
lean grove
if you've ever tried a headband modded ksc75 you'll know that because there's mo...
But it's not seal. It's damping.
unique wind
damp deez
lean grove
It's not air tight like an iem, or even approaching a seal like an audeze
unique wind
i am converted to team open back
lean grove
That's why yaxi pads increase bass. They expose even more foam to the air, but because they're a thicker denser foam they restrict air flow a lot more.
lean grove
i am converted to team open back
Were you not on the team before?
unique wind
he400se is my first open back
feels nice not being in a fish bowl
with my chewing and breathing being loud as hell
lean grove
Michael you've been shit posting in this channel for years how have you not tried an open back before
unique wind
because i’ve been team speakers and iems for years
i have no complaints with the comfort on the 400se aside from the stock pad is itchy
and it puts a dent in my head as all headphones do
i bought some leather pads
unique wind
no way man i hate pads that have a fabric-like material on the part that touches your head
shit feels hot and itchy
nova jay
using my new he400se and the pads do not seal on my head
get the comfort headband
stark aspen
What budget headphones do you guys recommend?
haughty girder
how budget is budget
pulsar zephyr
what are the best speakers i could get for a turntable for around $100 or $200
haughty girder
do you have an amp?
lean grove
What budget headphones do you guys recommend?
Koss ksc75 or porta pro
lean grove
what are the best speakers i could get for a turntable for around $100 or $200
Edifiers.
stark aspen
Koss ksc75 or porta pro
What headset would you recommend that's around a $100
broken maple
What headset would you recommend that's around a $100
dull rover
Anyone here have a Spotify EQ preset for the 1st Gen AirPods Pro?
coral tiger
What budget headphones do you guys recommend?
SENNHEISER HD 569 is an option
https://a.co/d/5x928MX
broken maple
bad
dull rover
This is my current one with brightness at slight in settings, it’s probably horrible ik, I’m not an audio guy I just go by ear
dull rover
SENNHEISER HD 569 is an option
https://a.co/d/5x928MX
Also actually looking at getting these
broken maple
dont
dull rover
Why not
broken maple
yes so you already have something that sounds better
dull rover
Just want nice over ears with nice spatial
coral tiger
Either give actual reasons or a better deal on what you consider better headphones.
dull rover
Either give actual reasons or a better deal on what you consider better headphon...
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Here how about I give you what sound i like and you can recommend me something
broken maple
Either give actual reasons or a better deal on what you consider better headphon...
overpriced brand new, sibilant, mids suck, headband sucks, ksc75 literally better and that costs 20 dollars
dull rover
Gotta be closed back with good lows and good highs (not sharp), I’m not too picky about the midrange
Wired, mic not necessary
broken maple
Gotta be closed back with good lows and good highs (not sharp), I’m not too pick...
philphone
wait no
thats openback
what you want doesn't exist I don't think
dull rover
I’m a bass head, I wish I wasn’t, so lows are the main concern
broken maple
unless you want to pay like 2.5k
dull rover
what you want doesn't exist I don't think
When it comes to audio equipment, everything exists
coral tiger
I literally link to a midrange pair that's nearly half off normal price but their overpriced garbage...okay.
broken maple
not when it comes to closed backs
dull rover
Closed back should be easier to find with good lows I’d think
When I say spatial I don’t mean like open back wise
broken maple
if your definition of good lows is bloated muddy trash then just buy xm4s
dull rover
Just more spatial then mid over ears
dull rover
if your definition of good lows is bloated muddy trash then just buy xm4s
If I wanted shitty lows I’d get fuckin skullcrushers 💀
Deep lows, not civic hatchback blown out lows
broken maple
Just more spatial then mid over ears
soundstage in headphones are almost universally mediocre
if you want good stage just get speakers
its not worth chasing in headphones
dull rover
Some people can’t blast music
coral tiger
I'm quite happy with my HD650's...but I'm sure those are garbage too despite being one of the all time favorites.
dull rover
I’m looking for headphones not speakers
broken maple
I’m looking for headphones not speakers
I'm saying don't bother chasing soundstage because they're all mostly the same
broken maple
I'm quite happy with my HD650's...but I'm sure those are garbage too despite bei...
these are actually good
dull rover
I'm saying don't bother chasing soundstage because they're all mostly the same
From my little knowledge of headphones I’ve used in my time that’s not really true, some over ears have almost as wide of a sound as my AirPods Pro’s with transparency mode on
And I also hate how that works, fuck Apple and their adaptive eq
coral tiger
"overpriced brand new, sibilant, mids suck, headband sucks" so here's $20 headphones.
But they all sound the same so stop being picky. Just sound logic all around.
broken maple
From my little knowledge of headphones I’ve used in my time that’s not really tr...
AirPods of all things just have a small stage lmao being iems and all
I don’t think you know what soundstage means
dull rover
Also could anyone here give me a decent representation of airpods pro 1st Gen vs 2nd, thinking of getting a new pair as soon as these ones don’t get me through the day
broken maple
"overpriced brand new, sibilant, mids suck, headband sucks" so here's $20 headph...
Stop twisting my words, I said ksc75s sounds better than 569s and soundstage is mostly the same in headphones
Not all headphones sound the same
If you want to waste money go ahead, don’t waste time here lol
dull rover
AirPods of all things just have a small stage lmao being iems and all
That’s the power of an eq and shit, without transparency mode they have no sound stage at all, if you turn on spatial audio and transparency mode, they become almost like open backs
lean grove
broken maple
Sure
dull rover
Maybe I’m not using the right terms, but I know what I’m trying to convey 😂
lean grove
All headphones are garbage.
coral tiger
I don’t think you know what soundstage means
Nailed it...I have no idea about audio...man I wasted so much money getting a degree in broadcast communications and spending a couple grand on my audio set-up like an idiot.
dull rover
All headphones are garbage.
Real
broken maple
Nailed it...I have no idea about audio...man I wasted so much money getting a de...
Evidently.
coral tiger
Who was comparing pro audio vs hifi audio?
lean grove
Who was comparing pro audio vs hifi audio?
You
coral tiger
Weird since I never talked about any professional equipment. I linked affordable midrange headphones as someone requested them got a bunch of BS from an audiophile snob.
broken maple
I gave you a justified recommendation
That’s snobbery to you?
I explained what I was saying and you refused to listen, that’s snobbery?
Go suck yourself off somewhere else
coral tiger
I'm not the one who has to tell everyone else they're wrong.
Nor rewrite the "conversation" so to make myself come off better than starting with 1 word negative replies until explicitly asked to elaborate in a helpful manner.
coral tiger
Go suck yourself off somewhere else
But feel free to take your own advice.
wide robin
how is the G733 LIGHTSPEED?
wide robin
is there a better headphone out there for the price?
nova jay
idk its 100$ for me which is pretty good actually
wide robin
weird, I'm seeing it for 150
coral tiger
how is the G733 LIGHTSPEED?
Here's a decent review and in the conclusion they mention other similarly priced headsets.
https://www.soundguys.com/logitech-g733-lightspeed-review-39538/
nova jay
😂 its actually pretty good
wide robin
lol bet
nova jay
dont know what that other convo above bout but yea get the g733
wide robin
So I've also got the TKL LIGHTSPEED keyboard and the LIGHTSPEED g502
civic beacon
how is the G733 LIGHTSPEED?
Had mine for about 3 weeks now. Aside from the atrocity that is G Hub software, they've been a nice upgrade from my janky Modmic + ancient UE9000 headphone solution.
I was tempted to grab the more expensive + feature rich G735, but couldn't justify the cost considering I already have a crappy but viable pair of Bluetooth earbuds for the phone.
wide robin
Only reason I'm considering it is I'm having pretty apalling bluetooth and wired connection with my NC700s with this PC. Works amazing with my Macbook and iPhone
convinced its because the LIGHTSPEED is causing some feedback and interference with my NC700s
coral tiger
Had mine for about 3 weeks now. Aside from the atrocity that is G Hub software, ...
Is the janky part the modmic or the headphones? Just curious as people ask about ModMic a lot, many like it, and I've never used it. But do see the upside of adding a mic to nicer headphones for gaming.
civic beacon
Is the janky part the modmic or the headphones? Just curious as people ask about...
"Yes" 🤣 Nah it was the way I created the "strain relief" to prevent the headphone + modmic 3.5mm cables from wearing out over time. Just don't even worry about it - it worked fiiiiine.
uncut copper
what is the best Android powered mp3 player for down 300?
coral tiger
what is the best Android powered mp3 player for down 300?
Honestly it's hard to go wrong with a good condition used LG V60, toss in an SD and for $200 or less you have a great music player & emergency backup phone. Even for 300ohm headphones.
uncut copper
How about Walkman NW-306? I need one for unbalanced/balanced port
coral tiger
Yeah looks like finding a Sony NW-A306 is your best bet currently.
slim kraken
I have an audio related question
I have a few hours of recordings of an audio book. Unfortunately, it is in two languages; one person reads a sentence in lang A, then a person repeats it in English. Originally, they were two separate audio recordings, someone went through and manually did this and I cant find the originals.
A) Is there a tool that could possibly automatically cut this into clips? I'm imagining a tool that could probably use some ML to separate two peoples voices
B) What is the easiest way to do so manually?
haughty girder
how is the G733 LIGHTSPEED?
Hearing it for myself it's... fine
It's not detailed by any means but as a gaming headset it's enough
if I had to put a crinacle-esque rating on the tuning it'd have to be about a C
aka average
doesn't blow me away but it's not bad either...
molten lotus
Here's a decent review and in the conclusion they mention other similarly priced...
please don't post soundguys reviews
They are literal memes
unique wind
like the 1266
uncut copper
Yeah looks like finding a Sony NW-A306 is your best bet currently.
maybe I should wait for black Friday
restive current
my moondrop arias arrived today, problem is with the eartip doesnt go deep enough, anyone have any suggestions for possibly better deeper fit replacement eartips?
leaden cloak
Is the skullcandy crusher evo good to get for 90usd?
No they’re bad
cold spindle
they are only usefull as a fun pair to only have bass the skullcandy crusher evo as a normal everyday use pair as other things sound a lot better
molten lotus
they are useful for giving them to people and have them realize more bass doesn't mean better
leaden cloak
Trying telling that to people
dapper quartz
If Alicia Keys songs don't hurt your ears it's a decent pair
molten lotus
if alicia keys songs don't hurt your ears it probably lacks treble
unique wind
they are useful for giving them to people and have them realize more bass doesn'...
yes it does
wintry garden
So should 16 gauge cable be any louder than 20 gauge
I did the same distance at max volume and I went from 90-95 peak to 100 peak decibels
lean grove
So should 16 gauge cable be any louder than 20 gauge
No.
molten lotus
cable sizes affects loudness but I don't know how it is for 16 to 20
if there is any difference at all
supple mauve
Got a record player, needs a bit of a tune up but looks like it works.
Should I invest in a stereo for it, or would a cheap Phono to Line converter be good enough?
coral tiger
Got a record player, needs a bit of a tune up but looks like it works.
Did you set out purposely trying to score a turntable like this or was it like a cheap garage sale pickup?
supple mauve
Did you set out purposely trying to score a turntable like this or was it like a...
Inherited from a family member
It's an Empire 598 I believe
leaden cloak
Assuming it doesn’t have an amp inside you’ll probably need a preamp
And then from there you can output to whatever you want
coral tiger
It's an Empire 598 I believe
Yeah they seem to sell for like $1,200-2,000+. So I'd treat it as such and go for a proper stereo system.
leaden cloak
It is an early 70s turntable according to reverb.com
leaden cloak
Yeah they seem to sell for like $1,200-2,000+. So I'd treat it as such and go fo...
Oh dang so that’s a nice turntable then
coral tiger
Indeed
leaden cloak
Well nice find/acquisition
supple mauve
I shall head to Goodwill then and see what I can find.
coral tiger
I'd probably look for a well respected turntable person in your area to properly clean and fix/adjust anything needed, then ask them about the equipment they suggest to go with it.
leaden cloak
Schiit still sells their phono preamp. Huh
coral tiger
Schiit still sells their phono preamp. Huh
Sounds like Heresy to me 
Sorry, had to.
supple mauve
Yeah I think it needs a Preamp. This is all sounding fairly expensive haha
leaden cloak
Sounds like Heresy to me <:KEKW:670048864052445204> Sorry, had to.
Lol it probably is
wide robin
so i got the g733 and its not playing audio when connected. Discord is recognizing it and testing shows that it is receiving and sending audio. weird
coral tiger
Yeah I think it needs a Preamp. This is all sounding fairly expensive haha
Don't know your budget on this, but if not ready to get it professionally cleaned/fixed. I'd probably put it away somewhere very safe and just wait as prices should continue to go up over time.
Plenty of 'affordable" Audio-Technica turntables that you can get powered bookshelf speakers for.
wide robin
GHub shows its connected via LIGHTSPEED and there's a solid yellow/gold light on the dongle
and yes volume is up
coral tiger
GHub shows its connected via LIGHTSPEED and there's a solid yellow/gold light on...
I really don't want to be this guy but have you checked Windows is using it instead of your built-in audio?
wide robin
windows is showing its connected
molten lotus
Yeah I think it needs a Preamp. This is all sounding fairly expensive haha
it is
and you would likely need a stylus or a cartridge replacement for it
which to get a decent one costs around 70-100$
a decent one not a good one
if you use a vintage table with the stylus it came with you will likely damage your records
coral tiger
Yeah
coral tiger
if you use a vintage table with the stylus it came with you will likely damage y...
I was just reading it's difficult but you can find a new stylus for it.
Well as of 2008
molten lotus
it shouldn't be difficult
and you would likely benefit more from replacing the cartridge altogether
lean grove
Vinyl out.
molten lotus
vinyl is cool but only when you spend 400$ on the playback system alone
wide robin
wait its working now?!!!
molten lotus
not when you go hello guys what is the best stylus for my corsley tt budget 8 cents
unique wind
vinyl is awesome but it’s just too expensive to have actually decent gear
and paying for each song or album is yikes
i’m spoiled by streaming
stone quartz
Are the Hifiman Sundaras good headphones?
molten lotus
he400se are a lot better value for equivalent performance
without their inherent flaws
stone quartz
Damn, those are pretty inexpensive
stone quartz
Did they sacrifice the build quality to reach that price point?
Not that Hifiman was ever known for their build quality
molten lotus
if by build quality you mean the feeling of it then yes
if by build quality you mean how long they will last, no
stone quartz
Well, I recall some of their older ones snapping after a few years
molten lotus
I don't remember any
stone quartz
But a few years out of headphones that cheap is fine tbh
molten lotus
but 400se will likely last more
since sundara headband lace can sometimes fail
he400se has cushions for the top so no chance of that happening
unique wind
Did they sacrifice the build quality to reach that price point?
yes
molten lotus
they don't
unique wind
he400se feels pathetic compared to equivalent priced beyerdynamic headphones
unique wind
but they sound good and are light so they’re comfortable
stone quartz
Also, do you know if the HD600/660 S are any good?
molten lotus
if you mean quality it needs to be realistic performance not how it feels on the hend
molten lotus
Also, do you know if the HD600/660 S are any good?
mid imo
unique wind
you can just tell the build quality is shit klaus
molten lotus
he400se are also mid but a bit better level of mid
unique wind
i own both and it doesn’t compare
i don’t think they’re gonna break on their own though
unique wind
yeah they feel like $40 headphones
molten lotus
if your definition of quality is like focal which is made of premium shit and breaks on its own
stone quartz
I am guessing the earcups are made of silver plastic
molten lotus
sundaras are lighter by like 10-20g
but mate be real
you will pay 110$ for one
and 350$ for the other
for almost no improvement save for the feeling
if you have that much to spare you are better off saving it to buy an edition xs which is a very big step up from both
unique wind
hifiman sells b stock on their website
stone quartz
It looks like they also make a closed back Sundara
molten lotus
yeah literally get xs
unique wind
you can get b stock or open box edition xs for like $400
stone quartz
I wonder if B stock is available here in the UK
unique wind
b stock sundara is like $240
molten lotus
I regret buying sundaras greatly and not saving up for the xs though they were not out at the time of my purchase
but still
unique wind
basically just a prettier slightly better tuned he400se
stone quartz
$399 isn't bad at all
molten lotus
basically just a prettier slightly better tuned he400se
better tuned?
unique wind
$399 isn't bad at all
molten lotus
tuning wise they are barely different
sundara is still more sibilant because of decay/distortion fuckery
unique wind
hence why i said slightly
it’s mainly just they smoothed the 900hz peak and removed the hifiman dip
very similar tho
stone quartz
How are Focal headphones?
unique wind
i only own beyer dt770 and hifiman he400se and i’ve never looked at anything by focal or audeze
molten lotus
they were relevant
until xs came out
they do things differently but considering the trade offs its barely worth it at this point except if you want closed backs exclusively
unique wind
i cannot wait for my new pads to get here friday
i hate the stock 400se pads
itchy and warm
molten lotus
they are going to sound cringe I bet
unique wind
well it’s either that or they go back to amazon because i can’t use the stock pads
i got irritated in minutes
i used some older leather pads by just letting the clamp seal them on my head and they sounded fine
barely different but slightly better imo
molten lotus
weak
open lily
Also, do you know if the HD600/660 S are any good?
wrong server for actual advices 
molten lotus
right server is ief for maximum pseudoscience
they will tell you all day like how planars have no dynamic range
even if measurements calculated with synthesis from actual music playing through both "high range dynamic headphones" and no slam no dynamic range planars have like a 0.1dB deviation
how curious even dan clarks with zero dynamics measure almost the same as every other headphone
stone quartz
wrong server for actual advices <:xdxd:936154120270774323>
Can you suggest any that are better?
open lily
Can you suggest any that are better?
ief
molten lotus
told you lol
open lily
something something someone got banned from there
molten lotus
I didn't get banned