#tech-chat-2

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pure garnet
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yah it's the 3:3:2 sync number

cosmic gazelle
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lmao my shit is at 46c on absolutely horrid refresh timings

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so that might be a problem

shell void
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iirc this was my final daily 6400 config

pure garnet
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your refresh is so long i think you could hair dryer the dimms and it wouldn't crash from heat

shell void
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vddio was 1.35v, zen timings goofed

pure garnet
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im basically just running xmp tweaked rn

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1.35v vdd is comfy tho what can i say

cosmic gazelle
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i was thinking that the heat crash point stayed the same

cosmic gazelle
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chat is this latency optimal 😭

pure garnet
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zen 5 has internal changes that are faster in everything but aida

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"latency killer" and equivalent make aida faster but slow down irl stuff

cosmic gazelle
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oh idk what that is

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i was just goofin

pure garnet
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i run this

cosmic gazelle
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what exactly does hi z mean and what is it used

pure garnet
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idk shit about terms they're not fun at all to learn

cosmic gazelle
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apex be apexing ig

pure garnet
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yeah it defaulted to it

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this board takes a hot minute to train so asus put some effort into it

cosmic gazelle
pure garnet
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i've had so many am5 boards everything blends together but the apex takes noticeably longer than the mpower, all my 4 dimmers were about the same

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i've had the most luck/stability with asus boards so im still leaning towards just buying asus again next gen without worrying about it

low sorrel
turbid locust
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skissue

pure garnet
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the only crime my b650e-f committed was not being strong enough to do 8000 and i fell into a hole of doom chasing it

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i’ll probably get back into forza after work tomorrow

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booted it up tn but i’m too tired

turbid locust
cosmic gazelle
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as an owner of a low end asus board i wouldn't know

pure garnet
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i think like every board i’ve had does it

shell void
brisk jolt
low sorrel
brisk jolt
teal orbit
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infinity

pallid marsh
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Ferrari should give up the car to Honda

nova patrol
steel stream
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Funky

shell void
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both of those refresh rates are weird

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they must have found a couple of shipping containers full of garbage scalars that can only do 4k80 after being overclocked

edgy laurel
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absolutely wild

steel stream
shell void
steel stream
shell void
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we don’t have time for road laws

nova patrol
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is it china only

steel stream
shell void
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you can get 4k160 2k320 dualmode monitors for that price

nova patrol
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i was just bouta write that

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unless its oled or sum

steel stream
shell void
steel stream
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Oh holy shit @edgy laurel that Jason schreier video about Destiny is the only one on his channel lol

steel stream
smoky orbit
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Finally brought my keyboard at school cause I was gonna kms if i continued using the atrocious membrane ones they have but I managed to not only forget the 2.4ghz dongle at home but also somehow manage to have zero c to a usb cable puppycrying

edgy laurel
steel stream
fringe vigil
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whens the next line of cpus out

steel stream
fringe vigil
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same time as 6090 release damn

smoky orbit
devout ridge
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Oh poignƩe, i had to replace the hotend on the ender3, but that is the only problem with it

fringe vigil
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bruh

shell void
fringe vigil
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i thought early 2027 but sure

shell void
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new gpu releases used to be ces but the last i heard they’re getting pushed to computex which is mid year

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ces is now just enterprise ai wanking

pure garnet
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ā€œconsumerā€ electronics show

shell void
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consumer corporate electronics show

steel stream
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I love AI

pure garnet
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when are we getting nvidia sponsored ai girlfriends

shell void
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that is actually in the roadmap

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jensen wants everyone to have a personal ai agent that they confide in and use all day

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i assume they’d let you gender it

steel stream
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Bro that’s awful

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When are we getting them though

smoky orbit
pure garnet
steel stream
frank zealot
# steel stream When are we getting them though

They actually talked about this on the wan show friday.
One of the big AI companies did a poll asking what people wanted from AI in the future.

The top response: "Companionship"

And I just twitched when I heard that

frank zealot
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That ain't an easy cable to find, it's the definition of stupid niche use case

burnt socket
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imagine repurposing a mouse for rgb

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don't think it's a good idea

vivid kiln
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Hmm... Do I sell my old hardware, or turn it into a home theater PC to replace my Nvidia Shield?

frank zealot
wraith steeple
frank zealot
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Our OLED TV is literally just a monitor. We never use the TV for any smart features, or broadcast or anything.

(Okay, on rare occasion I might use a console, but... that's as close as it gets)

steel stream
frank zealot
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Panther Lake would be a baller HTPC

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although honestly, Ryzen 8000G chips are also really solid for that, too

steel stream
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I suppose it doesn’t matter too much if it was just plex and direct play

slim pebble
cosmic gazelle
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@shell void @pure garnet

pure garnet
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fix subtimings and daily that

cosmic gazelle
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yeah i gotta figure out what it'll handle and if i can lower soc voltage

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but it didn't train with vddq at 1.35 so that's a thing

steel stream
cosmic gazelle
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still got it saved as a profile but i wondered if my chip could do 6400

pure garnet
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i can run 8000 at 1.35v vddio on my msi boards but it’ll safe mode my apex unless i do 1.4

cosmic gazelle
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weird

civic reef
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Buying Terraria

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Hopefully I still remember how to play a bit

nova patrol
steel stream
pure garnet
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steam deck pricing is too cheap, raise it again

smoky orbit
frank cypress
burnt socket
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i should be receiving my replacement this weekend

smoky orbit
opaque knoll
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hi everyone i've ordered a new cpu (r5 5600) but currently on a r5 3600 and online it says im going to need to update bios cus im using a b450 a pro max, i've never done a update on bios before anyone recommend me a video to watch or any tips

burnt socket
smoky orbit
burnt socket
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tilted

smoky orbit
opaque knoll
frank zealot
frank zealot
smoky orbit
opaque knoll
frank zealot
smoky orbit
frank zealot
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Correct, the G and GT are trash, but the 5600's great

opaque knoll
pure garnet
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shout out amd for making it so confusing because they make random apus have the same name as good parts

frank zealot
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(The 5700 is also trash)

smoky orbit
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Cause the 5600g/gt sucks ass and only have pcie 3 instead of pcie 4

frank zealot
pure garnet
smoky orbit
opaque knoll
smoky orbit
pure garnet
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then yeah just boot into the bios and there’s an update button

pure garnet
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the 5700 is a 5700g with a disabled igpu

frank zealot
smoky orbit
pure garnet
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the 5500 is a 5600g without an igpu but at least it got a lower tiering name

smoky orbit
pure garnet
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it’s still just as compromised as the apu was though

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you get half the cache so they regress to zen 2 performance in games

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the 5700 is far worse than the 5700x but they’re banking on you buying it since the 5600 is barely different from the 5600x

smoky orbit
frank zealot
pure garnet
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it’s the same exact silicon as the apu but yes in semantics terms it isn’t an apu

frank zealot
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it's the same silicon as the APU, so it's a fair comparison

smoky orbit
smoky orbit
pure garnet
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they’re selling compromised parts with the names of unconpromised ones

frank zealot
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There are times where being pedantic has a place:
Occasionally being very specific matters.

In this case it's somewhat less significant, since they're using the same silicon in multiple parts and fucking up naming conventions with it

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(Although it's still not as bad as AMD's biggest sin of putting the XT label on CPUs)

pure garnet
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i want them to ship a 5950x3d2

pure garnet
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the 5900xt is also awful naming but it’s somewhat fine since it’s more cores for the same number

hoary hatch
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It should have been called 5950

steel stream
pure garnet
cosmic gazelle
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i know this isn’t saying much but just by fixing refi and rfc it’s running karhu faster than the 4400 tune lol

civic reef
pure garnet
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the chip is fine the naming convention is just a violation

cosmic gazelle
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bro since when do you have a 5600 xt

civic reef
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Oh no I was just giving a funny example of what writing XT on CPUs does

cosmic gazelle
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oh lol

civic reef
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The 5600 XT could very well be either the R5 or RX

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Same thing for the 7600

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R5 7600, or RX 7600

pure garnet
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cpu named vega 56

cosmic gazelle
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phantom check this out

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i’m learning ram delidding :)

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i had to re apply thermal paste to the contacts tho

civic reef
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Now you're learning that, despite our differences, we're all just a green (or black) PCB :3c

cosmic gazelle
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i haven’t tried the stick yet but im expecting st least 4000 mts

civic reef
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Although, a heatsink for 2133 is silly

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It's probably made for OCing, yes, but the idea is funny

cosmic gazelle
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okay i can’t keep doing this

the joke is that i ripped the ram ics off the stick

civic reef
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Stick locked to 1033MT/s equipped with liquid cooling šŸ’”

cosmic gazelle
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okay you seemed deadass

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just had to make sure

civic reef
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I mean
It's kinda obvious no?

cosmic gazelle
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i no longer assume things are obvious on discord dot com

civic reef
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Fair

civic reef
cosmic gazelle
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also, those are cyberpowerpc branded patriot branded heat spreaders, and inside there is LITERALLY an oem samsung stick that is completely unchanged

they didn’t even take the sticker off vro šŸ’”

civic reef
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Awful 😭

steel stream
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It looks nice af irl

shell void
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it’s gorgeous

pure garnet
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you need one

edgy laurel
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that thing looks good

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bring back multicolored plastics

wraith steeple
steel stream
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It just has some character to it

wraith steeple
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black, silver, and white are the new beige

nova patrol
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bring back colorful motherboards

wraith steeple
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nice to see variety for once

nova patrol
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they dont even do it with the heatsinks anymore

whole coral
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Yay computer store time. Gonna see if they can do anything

wraith steeple
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Anyone remember the DFI LanParty mobos?

edgy laurel
whole coral
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It’s completely unresponsive today. Very not good

wraith steeple
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This guy has a collection of these

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Them being UV reactive was killer

steel stream
shell void
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nobody bought them so we got this as a followup

sharp heart
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usb for days

shell void
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it was a pretty great value when it was $150

edgy laurel
pure garnet
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when i was first looking at am5 and i almost ordered a 7900x3d+asrock board

whole coral
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So the guy checked and my phone is still pulling in power. But he said the logic board is most likely fried

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Time for a replacement then

shell void
smoky orbit
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Holly fucking hell how can a 17 CAD c<=>c cable be power only how is this shit allowed

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Im gonna explode

frank zealot
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What wattage does the cable support

smoky orbit
frank zealot
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so you bought a gas station cable

smoky orbit
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Bought it at best buy ā€œexpressā€ (fuck that thing btw, bestbuy express barely have anything) it wasn’t written any where on the box that it was missing two copper wires

pure garnet
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how did you find a power only
cable every crappy cable i’ve owned does at least usb 2 data

smoky orbit
shell void
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bought the cheapest thing at big lots huh

nocturne jacinth
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Sounds like one included with a temu electric razor

smoky orbit
pure garnet
storm hatch
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bought a nvme off ebay and they sent 2 of them lmaoo heck yea

pure garnet
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even sold it for a profit on craigslist

nocturne jacinth
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What the heayell eBay

pure garnet
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should i be concerned

nocturne jacinth
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I think his intention was to say he's flexible with price for ppl who don't make a salary maybe

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Otherwise bring a whistle

smoky orbit
civic reef
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Trying new pfps since it's helping me feel better
What do we think of this?

haughty monolith
pure garnet
shell void
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asetek aio with a noctua branded piece of foam

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fire

edgy laurel
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didn't akn already spend $300 on an ProArt AIO

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he should be good lol

pure garnet
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oh i’m not buying it either but it’s just funny to see it launch 24 years later

civic reef
cosmic gazelle
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definitely not bad for micron yoko

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just trying to take it in steps it’s not close yet

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i’m just surprised i haven’t hit any real wall yet

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i’m gonna let this one run longer so i have a confirmed fallback point if i start having issues

hoary hatch
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Well the office network just shit the bed

edgy laurel
turbid locust
cosmic gazelle
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micron moment

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doesn’t really do below 300ns

topaz veldt
edgy laurel
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so roughly 5 minutes

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not full outage but lots of packet loss

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we have a smokeping server that monitors lots of customer endpoints, all different ISP's. It was also seeing the same thing across all endpoints for that time period

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and it was noticed by in-office people with page timeouts and the like

steel stream
steel stream
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Maybe I’ll just put a noctua sticker on mine

edgy laurel
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Most important part of the their products, isn't it? I think that will suffice

steel stream
edgy laurel
topaz veldt
steel stream
edgy laurel
steel stream
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So I already have a noctua aio minus foam and a sticker like Michael said lol

edgy laurel
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is that ProArt an Asetek base?

steel stream
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I think the LC 420 is indeed asetek

hoary hatch
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And after a few minutes it was back

cosmic gazelle
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i would sure love to use this processor if goodwill still HADNT SHIPPED MY FUCKING BOARD

rapid kettle
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9800X3D brand new for 320 euro should I ThinkingSun

pure garnet
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it’s one of the cpus of all time so if you want it sure

cosmic gazelle
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it was half price brah don’t hate

steel stream
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It’s a 5500 imma hate

cosmic gazelle
steel stream
cosmic gazelle
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better than a 7400f probably idk

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probably equal to a 7400f when fully overclocked lmao

topaz veldt
viral iron
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yes

pure garnet
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ordering my apex encore from letgo

cosmic gazelle
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they never take this long to ship things

topaz veldt
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frankly I wouldn't think Goodwill would ship anything

wraith steeple
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I haven't been to a good will in ages

steel stream
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Same

edgy laurel
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goodwill ships things at all?

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news to me

pure garnet
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they do auctions online

wraith steeple
steel stream
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Chinese whales

topaz veldt
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It was meant to be

steel stream
halcyon hedge
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What monitors should I buy to get an upgrade over my X27Qs? 2 KTC M27P6's or 2 MSI MPG 274URDFW E16M's?

gentle urchin
low sorrel
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We don't have them in Canada but

frank zealot
vestal timber
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Hello tech chat 2, anyone have a conference talk recommendation for me (:

frank zealot
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elaborate?

wraith steeple
vestal timber
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Is this something rare?

civic reef
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Would any Intel 14nm be e-waste in the current day

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(i7 9700K)

low sorrel
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All of them

frank zealot
civic reef
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I have the opportunity to buy a Z390, i7 9700k, RoG 240mm AIO, and some thermaltake case for $235

civic reef
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Case name not mentioned but looks decent

civic reef
nova patrol
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gonna be hard to sell

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old ahh cpu

frank zealot
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.... are these sound card with multiple optical outs?
That's a thing?

civic reef
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Not planning to go overboard with my upgrades anymore, so won't be buying new or anything DDR5

low sorrel
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I would buy the 2600x

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You have some from of an upgrade path

civic reef
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That was kinda one argument I had for the 2600X
Full PC, and upto something like a 5700X or such realistically

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Although, the i7 9700K is definitely a better chip, with a fairly high end board to boot

brave panther
edgy laurel
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must be for early 2000's audio production/recording work

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ADAT logo

wraith steeple
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Definitely looks like it

civic reef
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This A620 TuF is beating my ass in terms of hilarity

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Identical USB layout to my B85M-ICafe

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2x 3.0 & 4x 2.0 ā¤ļø

frank zealot
fringe vigil
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hol

civic reef
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Yeah the money I am saving from seeing used items isn't worth what I lose

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$70 saved but I go down from a 5600 to a 2600X, from an X570 to a B450, and from 2x8 3600 to what I can only assume is 1x16 of 2133

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Granted it's full PC (minus a GPU) for $230, but the 5600 and such for $300 are "probably" more worth it

civic reef
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After that I can finally spend cash on stuff other than tech

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Been looking at motorcycles, the scooter types specifically

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Something like a 50cc Aprio is only 120 at its cheapest

low sorrel
civic reef
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I am hopping on a 50cc bike

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Smh

low sorrel
civic reef
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Nop

civic reef
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The 2600X PC? Yeah, it's not great

low sorrel
civic reef
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Nop, it's a great idea

pure garnet
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walking might be faster

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wait those are the dui people’s vehicle of choose here

civic reef
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And they're probably the only thing light enough for me to push whilst it's not propelled by the engine

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Maybe a 75cc would work, but idrk

pure garnet
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people lose their licenses drunk driving then buy mopeds to get around town because you don’t need a license for them

steel stream
arctic bronze
civic reef
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Eitherway, I am set on a 50cc

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They're cheap, lightweight, and silly

shell void
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bowieknife99 coming to gap you at 300MPH on a boosted moped because you dared to up the difficulty in Forza Horizon 6 by one level

steel stream
shell void
civic reef
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Oh wait a moped is literally what I call a scooter

steel stream
edgy laurel
turbid locust
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why is my name aquamarine

pure garnet
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nitro booster

low sorrel
low sorrel
turbid locust
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pov colorblind

low sorrel
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a very light green

low sorrel
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as a kid i thought yellow lights were orange

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also real question

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why do some cars not have yellow blinkers

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why are some of them red

civic reef
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Oh my days a 60cc Jog Aprio is only like 200-250 for something that looks clean

fringe vigil
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im teaming up with linus tech tips in 2027

wraith steeple
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Had to do a lengthy explanation to my brother about AM5's memory training

fringe vigil
low sorrel
wraith steeple
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That's what I've been trying to tell him

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AM5 is known for taking a bit long for memory training and even a reboot isn't too uncommon.... And viola it booted

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Being the Computer/IT guy of the family is not the flex people think it is

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Anyway I'm tired as hell and am going to relax

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Moral of the story: Be fucking patient

wraith steeple
halcyon hedge
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Anyone know what monitors should I buy to get an upgrade over my X27Qs? 2 KTC M27P6's or 2 MSI MPG 274URDFW E16M's?'

hoary hatch
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I love monitor names

wraith steeple
wraith steeple
pure garnet
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@merry stirrup did you use lm on the ihs too? it’s like stained

topaz veldt
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Chilly out here tonight

fringe vigil
topaz veldt
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@steel stream my wife lol

wraith steeple
topaz veldt
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I still remember my epox 8rda3+ or something

wraith steeple
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Ohhh Athlon XP

south shuttle
wraith steeple
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Everyone has

south shuttle
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they tend to end with like mpbzruixx

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Sometimes worse than that

merry stirrup
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you can use acetone to clean it

arctic bronze
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Depending on what they need

vagrant cargo
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Use waiting for mpre news on the hkc m10 ultra

pure garnet
steel stream
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@topaz veldt just got back from work + gym and now eating dinner on the deck

cosmic gazelle
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weird

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4-4-16 is stable on the 6400 setup but not on 4400

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i wonder if it was fighting with one of the primaries

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@merry stirrup yo mr SI

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what % of zen 5 will do 3200uclk in your opinion

pure garnet
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not many

steel stream
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He ain’t a SI anymore

cosmic gazelle
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what

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he was an si for like 4 days

cosmic gazelle
# pure garnet not many

there's an igors lab post that suggests it's higher but there's not a ton of info that i can find

pure garnet
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6600 is like top 1%, 6400 is probably 30% of chips max and then you 50/50 6200 and basically everything does 6000

cosmic gazelle
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like the igors lab post said like 90% of zen 5 can do 6200

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lemme see if i can find it

steel stream
pure garnet
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i respect a floppa getting fired for standing up for himself over getting run over for slightly cheaper pc parts

cosmic gazelle
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what happened bruh

pure garnet
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they wanted him to be a builder 24/7 when he was hired as qa

cosmic gazelle
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https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-ryzen-9000-x3d-ram-reference-guide-8200-21-vs-6400-11-2r-vs-1r-optimized-vs-expo-vs-jedec-in-synthetics-and-gaming/2/

This brings me to the next topic, the maximum stable UCLK and what this depends on. AMD sets 3000 MHz as a soft limit for increased RAM clock rates for a reason. Virtually all Ryzen 9000 CPUs can manage up to 3100 MHz, 3200 MHz is still possible with most, but 3300 MHz is only reserved for winners of the silicon lottery. Accordingly, the maximum RAM clock in UCLK=MCLK mode is between DDR5-6200 and DDR5-6600.

igor“sLAB

Ryzen X3D CPUs are known to be a force in gaming, even without fast RAM. However, this doesn't mean that optimized system memory settings can't be used to achieve even better performance. After all, the cache…

spiral quarry
cosmic gazelle
frank cypress
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that's fucked

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but good on floppa for sticking to his principals

pure garnet
cosmic gazelle
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so it's not that it CAN'T do 3200 as much as it's an fclk thing?

pure garnet
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some straight up can't but a lot can't run it with 2133 so you're better off at 6000

cosmic gazelle
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gotcha

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well i be runnin 2133 so yippee

steel stream
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bro who tf gave the menus motion blur in FH6

cosmic gazelle
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bros fps is genuinely so low it blurs across his screen

spiral quarry
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Bruh I cast some miracle on one of my keyboards and it came back to lifeLUL. Shit I thought the boards firmware was bricked but nah it just needed some reinsert of the ribbon cable.

steel stream
pure garnet
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fortnite is a masterpiece

cosmic gazelle
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it's okay i ran a 20 lap auto steer race just to realize that they nerfed the ability to do that

steel stream
shell void
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i havent looked but yeah probably

steel stream
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I gave my character a prosthetic

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Part clanker

cosmic gazelle
steel stream
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This DualShocks thumbsticks are falling apart, they are all sticky

merry stirrup
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an annoying situation

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my boss at the time asked if i wanted to build - i said no

i agreed to being put on rmas which involved building anyways and then said no to being a fulltime builder again

then a third higherup asked me

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like they just kept spamming me with the question

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i told them that i feel like im being given the illusion of choice and then they fired me so

wraith steeple
merry stirrup
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had a terrible 1:1 cpu

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like my chip needed 1.27 vsoc for 6000

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that was minimized

cosmic gazelle
shell void
cosmic gazelle
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chat what do i do if my shit safe modes on 6/12 scls

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?

shell void
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you put your ram back to jedec and just play games because micron memory tuning isnt well documented and FAFOing with no documentation sucks

cosmic gazelle
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also this shit is NOT gonna train

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is it the 6 or is it the 12

low sorrel
shell void
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and it's the 18ns first word latency safe/shit jedec spec because im using four dual rank dimms

vivid kiln
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Oof. File Pilot does not let you Ctrl + Z to restore recycled files. That's a big drawback I was not expecting

low sorrel
cosmic gazelle
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no one is using 4400 jedec

low sorrel
merry stirrup
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like on stream

steel stream
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Or was

low sorrel
steel stream
cosmic gazelle
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like legit 30-40ns of latency

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also michael my scls do 4/16 on this kit and speed lmao

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i feel like that's pretty bad

low sorrel
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man why all cheap cars here so rusted

cosmic gazelle
steel stream
cosmic gazelle
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fh6 has an issue on my igpu where i think it thinks i have 0 vram and just stops loading all textures

shell void
# low sorrel So can I get the tldr on why everyone is going like 4400mt jedec on am5

short answer: we're just having fun experimenting

long answer:
going above DDR5 4400MT/s on a single CCD Ryzen CPU provides zero benefit to memory bandwidth due to the Infinity Fabric's GMI bandwidth limitation, and running at 4000-4400MT/s allows you to 1:1:1 match FCLK, UCLK, and MCLK (provides a small latency improvement) at much lower voltages than are required for 3000MHz+ UCLK

however 6000MT/s is still better for peak theoretical performance if you're tuning because you're not allowed to set a lower Cas Latency value than 24 in the BIOS which when paired with 4400MT/s is only equivalent to DDR5 6000 CL33, and that's assuming your CPU can handle 2200FCLK which isn't common; at 4000CL24 you're only matching 6000CL36

#

as for me im running 4x32GB right now so getting any sort of competent 6000MT/s tune dialed in is a pain in the ass due to 10 minute memory trainings after every reboot, and the DIMMs get overheated very easily

cosmic gazelle
#

but for people like me with kits that won’t go below c36 at 6000 anyways it works out

pure garnet
#

8400 šŸ‘

cosmic gazelle
#

ssshhhh

shell void
#

8000+ gear 2 is the actual ideal value because you can get that sync benefit while also getting the lowest latency, and also low voltages

#

we're really pinching pennies here though, youd probably never notice if someone reset your memory tune while you were sleeping; it's just for fun in the end

merry stirrup
#

9000 or pleb

pure garnet
#

9266 still losing to jedec 9800x3d

#

avx 512 šŸ”„

merry stirrup
#

not in ycruncher bits per second i dont think

pure garnet
#

in total time to run they're about similar iirc

merry stirrup
#

wat is vt3 bps

#

mine is 1.32 10^10

shell void
#

intel pls put out a binary optimization profile for ycruncher on nova lake for the memes

merry stirrup
#

yee is very good at optimizing y cruncher himself to specific archs

#

the oled just shut off by itself

shell void
#

it's over

merry stirrup
#

power cable was loose thank god

shell void
#

nvm we're so back

#

your eyes wouldve bled if you had to go back to a matte coated 144Hz LCD

merry stirrup
#

yeah its not an amazing daily display

#

oled is awesome no lie

#

all the irl homies glaze tf outta it no lie

pure garnet
#

i want bigger monitor more than i want oled specifically

merry stirrup
#

i had to diddle my sticks 4 times for it to do 9000 after delidding

#

so i assume its all contact

pure garnet
#

my ram install does 8400 so im nevertaking them out again

merry stirrup
#

because now it does 9000 again at the same volts but was having a fit last mount

#

and the mount before that and so on

merry stirrup
#

if they dont just reinstall and wipe the sticks a couple of times ig

shell void
#

like reseating a gameboy cartridge a few times

#

the weirdest thing i ever encountered was the ram in my 10900f pc refusing to train at the same default jedec speed itd been running at for like a year

#

it forced me to reseat the ram even though it was never touched

nocturne jacinth
#

I'm redoing mine

shell void
#

oh raptor lake ddr4 fun

cosmic gazelle
#

the nice thing about 6400 so far is it’s either stable or it just doesn’t train

floral spear
#

These mascots are more annoying than fun

#

I played the First 3 Forza Horizons and even i didn't get this annoyed at the game before

cosmic gazelle
#

you can get to max level and just not do em lol

merry stirrup
#

my 7900x3d would train and even gaslit me into it being 6200 stable

floral spear
shell void
#

this board doesnt give a damn

#

itll let me post and then artifact aggressively on the desktop

pure garnet
#

yeah i can post hoopla

shell void
#

iirc flopper was able to post 8400 on his 7900x3d and tomahawk even tho it was only actually stable at like 7600

#

i might be misremembering tho

merry stirrup
#

yes although i didnt do terms

cosmic gazelle
#

like rdwr and wrrd

#

but scls below stable just won’t train at all

#

and it does 4-4-16

hoary hatch
#

It just took like 2 minutes for my board to post
Does it think it's AMD or something

pure garnet
shell void
#

iirc it usually retrains once per month on auto settings

#

that's what my board says anyway

floral spear
#

Hey Michael

shell void
#

hello imp

floral spear
#

How you doing

shell void
#

i cannot complain

topaz veldt
floral spear
#

But then I remember I'm a One Eyed Idiot and it doesnt properly work for me,

pallid marsh
#

wait you got one eye

floral spear
#

So I decided to take it all down and stick to one

floral spear
shell void
#

my journey was
1 monitor -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 3 -> 2 -> 1

pallid marsh
shell void
#

after a few years of experimentation i came to realize that im able to more thoroughly enjoy games when i only have a single monitor

#

if i have multiple monitors then i get distracted by discord and youtube

merry stirrup
#

loser

#

brainrot to the max

floral spear
#

But I basically have the same blindness as a dog

low sorrel
shell void
#

holy hell that's a massive explosion

floral spear
shell void
#

very beautiful but also dangerous and sad

floral spear
steel stream
floral spear
#

So Im going to just buy a mini shelf for my desk space

pallid marsh
#

I've seen bigger explosions in my bathroom

merry stirrup
#

why are we doing this

cosmic gazelle
steel stream
merry stirrup
#

yeah bro my ram

#

im playing a game why is it using my dram as vram

steel stream
merry stirrup
#

im getting one half the performance in apex

cosmic gazelle
merry stirrup
#

3 thousand dollar computer

cosmic gazelle
#

this has never happened before

brisk jolt
cosmic gazelle
#

nice fps dude i usually get a bit more than fps

merry stirrup
#

136

cosmic gazelle
#

oh that’s awful lmao

steel stream
cosmic gazelle
#

everyone i’ve seen with modern setups maxes out the fps cap

merry stirrup
#

i have a strang e feeling its because the game is using more system ram as vram than my actual vram

cosmic gazelle
#

no that’s not it

brisk jolt
#

I have like 1 game where my 9950x3d parks CCD0 like wtf

merry stirrup
#

optimal for sure

shell void
#

thatll drop the non-3D CCD to 5250MHz which will cause windows to prioritize the 5450MHz 3D CCD by default

merry stirrup
#

i fixed it somehow

shell void
#

youll get more consistent gaming performance, and more efficient multithread performance

steel stream
merry stirrup
#

studio yeah

#

i didnt actually fix it

#

i just turned the games texture allocation to fit in the only 2gb it wants to allocate of actual vram

steel stream
#

Weird

merry stirrup
#

hitting that

#

lovely drivers if i do say so myself

steel stream
#

Anyone here watch Benn Jordan? He’s got some interesting content

steel stream
merry stirrup
#

went with studio specifically to avoid driver issues ig that wasnt hte play

steel stream
merry stirrup
#

ol reliable

brisk jolt
brisk jolt
#

CCD0 goes to like 5.55 whilst CCD1 goes between like 5.6-5.7

lost marlin
#

Hello everyone im having a problem. I recently added a ryzen 7 9800x3d to my b850i pro aorus and now i have a red light on the CPU. But the pc turns on and i can run games and even put it on load. I tried changing the reseating the rams and the cpu and nothing changed i plugged and unplugged everything

cosmic gazelle
#

it’s because you didn’t buy a 9850x3d

lost marlin
#

Sorry

merry stirrup
#

if it works i dont think it matters no lie

#

tape over it šŸ”„

shell void
# brisk jolt CCD0 goes to like 5.55 whilst CCD1 goes between like 5.6-5.7

oh then maybe your 3D CCD is CCD0

nevertheless here’s the rationale:
CCD0 = 5750MHz (2D)
CCD1 = 5450MHz (3D)
Windows prioritizes higher clocked cores by default unless manually redirected by the program, chipset drivers, etc
setting a negative 500MHz offset on CCD0 (2D) will cause windows to prioritize the now-higher clocked CCD1 (3D) by default

shell void
#

i thought it was usually CCD1

merry stirrup
#

no that would be the right chiplet

#

i dont think that makes sense i this a longer route to the fabric unless its a triangle

shell void
#

yeah i thought that amd made the 3D CCD the secondary CCD by default

#

which added to scheduling complication

brisk jolt
#

nah the 3d ccd is ccd0

merry stirrup
#

the scheduling complication comes from windows not understanding what needs cache and what needs frequency

#

often times windows puts things on ccd1 cause it has a higher fmax

cosmic gazelle
#

rhombus shaped ccds when

shell void
#

windows just prioritizes clockspeed unless it’s told otherwise

merry stirrup
#

yes

#

thats why you need gamebar and whatnot

brisk jolt
#

Also every other game I launched indeed parks CCD1 (Non 3D) but specifically only 1 parks CCD0 (3D)

merry stirrup
#

probably not put into gamebar

brisk jolt
#

It does slap 1% lows slightly

shell void
merry stirrup
#

also works just fine cause the 300mhz is doing nothing

#

okay im on ol reliable drivers lets see if this works

shell void
#

amd could’ve saved themselves a lot of trouble configuring the x3d helper service if they just underclocked the 2D CCD by default

#

but they wanted to be able to slap 5.7GHz on the box

lost marlin
#

Are you guys talking abt the message i sent because i have no idea what ur saying

shell void
#

no

lost marlin
#

Oh

#

Can you help with what i sent tho?

#

If you have any idea ofc

shell void
#

you said your pc plays games fine so idk what the problem is

brisk jolt
shell void
#

the red light could be benign

merry stirrup
#

ol reliable ftw back to 300fps

lost marlin
#

No but i still see a red light im just wondering what it means. I just never got it on the older cpu

brisk jolt
#

its probably just training itself

shell void
#

the costco lattice apple pie is good

lost marlin
brisk jolt
#

seeing a cpu red light means nothing if it boots btw

steel stream
shell void
#

my father has learned the term goyslop and now he’s using it regularly

#

i shouldn’t let him have unfiltered internet access

steel stream
#

That’s fucking awesome

lost marlin
steel stream
#

What does he say it about

lost marlin
#

Okay guys thanks for your help

brisk jolt
#

fuck this game

shell void
steel stream
cosmic gazelle
#

bruh i just changed like 5 timings at once and posted

#

am i… better than everyone?

merry stirrup
#

i do this regularly

cosmic gazelle
#

yeah but it’s micron and you actually know things

merry stirrup
#

i did this with micron

cosmic gazelle
#

i’m a bumbling buffoon trying to stabilize stupid ram

merry stirrup
#

i literally did ez timings in 1 post on micron 😭

cosmic gazelle
#

so it’s more exciting when i do it

merry stirrup
#

nuhuhuhnuhuh

#

good job

steel stream
cosmic gazelle
#

if this passes i think im pretty close besides primaries and twr

shell void
#

the lattice is frickin huge, it's like the size of a pizza

steel stream
#

I have not been to Costco in a hot minute I need to make the pilgrimage

#

Interestingly it seems like the LSX LI LT are just on permanent discount for $500 there now

cosmic gazelle
#

also do not ask me why i set tras to 127 and not 126

#

i like the look of 127 better

#

7 is a cooler number than 6

shell void
#

it does not matter at all so youre fine

cosmic gazelle
#

i’m aware

steel stream
cosmic gazelle
#

it’s just an odd number with gdm on

#

which is technically stupid

shell void
# steel stream

i kinda regret getting the grey instead of the white or green

cosmic gazelle
#

to be clear michael i’ve watched most of the bz ram videos i just have very little real world experience

#

so i know the weird things but im just not that good at ram oc

steel stream
#

KEF just has fun colors

shell void
#

i still use grey and colour instead of gray and color pretty often even though im american

steel stream
#

I was looking into getting the JBL classics because the blue and orange foam grills look awesome (I also get a big discount) but they don’t measure well

cosmic gazelle
#

i say grey and color because i’m normal

#

@merry stirrup does 6400 do 1/2/0 literally ever or is trying it a waste of time

steel stream
#

I use gray and grey interchangeably

shell void
#

to me grey = color and gray = name

#

but that's not the reality

#

it's just a regional difference

steel stream
#

This looks great but they don’t perform well

shell void
#

jbl is such a strange brand

#

they have some absolutely insanely good studio monitors, and then some genuine ewaste consumer speakers

cosmic gazelle
#

i have a buddy with that huge boombox one and it lowkey sounds like shit for the price

steel stream
#

I watched Erin’s audio corner review and they just performed super weirdly

shell void
#

erin my goat

shell void
#

best speaker reviewer on youtube for sure

steel stream
#

Fr fr

#

I still don’t understand half the graphs but it’s interesting

pallid marsh
steel stream
shell void
#

i like the blue square grille, and the wood paneling individually, but they don't match together

pallid marsh
#

^

cosmic gazelle
steel stream
#

Can get it in orange or black too

indigo walrus
steel stream
cosmic gazelle
cosmic gazelle
indigo walrus
steel stream
#

Michael did you see the new KEF bt speaker

shell void
pallid marsh
shell void
#

it just looks strange

steel stream
shell void
indigo walrus
steel stream
shell void
#

i havent followed the audio market in a while

steel stream
pallid marsh
#

how is it sold out at 2.6k?!

shell void
#

2.6k for a single speaker isn't that crazy if it actually performs well

#

but i have no idea if it does

pallid marsh
#

its worth over twice as much as my working and driving car

merry stirrup
#

i have like 80$ worth of steam stickers and they have gone up 4x in the last 2 months

steel stream
shell void
#

$3000 GPUs lose all value in ten years whereas a $3000 passive speaker (assuming it's good) holds value until it dies, and you might be able to repair it

cosmic gazelle
#

flop

shell void
#

it's definitely expensive but it's not that crazy

steel stream
#

I need to buy myself some solid passive speakers

#

I gotta see what my discount gets me

pallid marsh
#

build your own no balls

cosmic gazelle
#

build your own balls

steel stream
teal orbit
cosmic gazelle
#

feminism

#

can’t have balls anymore because of woke

shell void
cosmic gazelle
#

michael wasn’t at the combine accident of ā€˜04

#

glad they have prosthetics now

cosmic gazelle
#

are there boards that let you change the timings below rfc and refi michael

#

what do any of those even do fr

cosmic gazelle
#

but can you change them?

#

i can’t even change them

shell void
#

those options dont exist on my msi board

cosmic gazelle
#

yeah me neither

shell void
#

uhh

pure garnet
#

i would assume they’re buried in cbs

#

i would also assume they don’t affect performance much

shell void
#

if i had to guess
no idea what tMOD is
timing phy (physical interface) write to read delay (the delay between sending the write signal to sending the read signal to dram)
timing phy write to read latency (the time that it takes to switch from writing to reading)
no idea what tRDPRE is

#

but nobody touches these

merry stirrup
#

you cant change tphy

shell void
#

this inspired me to check, and my phyrdls arent sycned rn -_-

#

ill have to spend like half an hour rebooting and tweaking timings to sort that out

pure garnet
#

i found a fortnite island with no limit on earned xp so i left a weight on my left mouse button to farm xp automatically

shell void
#

playing fortnite like a roblox simulator game

pure garnet
#

whatever finishes the pass

#

i’m level 140 rn got 60 to go

shell void
#

last time i launched the game i saw that brainrot simulator games are a thing on fortnite too

#

theyre really scuffed but im surprised that people figured out how to implement them

pure garnet
#

yeah they ported roblox to it basically

#

you can sell stuff inside for vbucks and epic takes like 90% cut lmao

#

oh it’s 50%

shell void
#

@turbid locust i just tried to put a mtn dew zero 2 liter bottle cap on my bottle of whisky and i was momentarily confused why it wasnt working

shell void
#

big business corporate tax rates on player exchanges

#

i get it tho, fortnite is very expensive to run because theyre insistent on doing major collaborations every season

pure garnet
#

epics biggest revenue sink is the store not fortnite collabs

#

the way they try and make it a place to be costs them a ton of money

#

but i also don’t want it to go away since competition is good even if steam is better

shell void
#

nickoledeon and disney collabs must be pretty expensive

#

giving away game keys doesn't cost much if the game dev is apt to participate

pure garnet
#

funny to see 1.1b in revenue was like 60% fortnite

floral spear
#

@cosmic gazelle @brisk jolt I have a question since this is my first forza where I played it when its alive

#

Do the cars get customization updates as we go further in or no?

shell void
floral spear
#

yea

shell void
#

you can auto or manually upgrade your car, and manually tune things like tire pressure, gear ratios, downforce, suspension, etc

#

and you can also paint your car or apply liveries

pure garnet
#

i don’t think it gets expanded much beyond maybe body kits

floral spear
#

Nonono I meant like

#

Does the customization throughout the game's lifespan gets extended

#

Like new body kits or parts for cars ?

shell void
#

oh like unlocking new upgrades by playing

#

im only ten hours in, but i don't think so

#

i think cars just have what they have, and you can either afford it or not

floral spear
#

Nononono I meant NEW Content for existing cars

pure garnet
#

i wanna say fh5 added body kits to cars as they came out

floral spear
#

like NEW BODY kits for existing cars or do they just leave it alone

#

because I'm nervous for one specific car

pure garnet
#

like new brand kits yeah

floral spear
#

the RX-7 while it's cool and has 3 widebody kits

shell void
#

i assume theyll add content and upgrade options over time because the sales have been great

floral spear
#

kind of a disappointment in terms of seperate body kits ykwim?

#

it just has an awkawrd Mazdaspeed Kit compared to the FC and FB

shell void
#

it seems like this is the most successful horizon game since 3

#

which was 2016

floral spear
#

But yea I just want more

#

RX7 Kits

shell void
#

you already have 3 and want more bro youre greedy

merry stirrup
#

greed meister

pure garnet
floral spear
#

Japan goes hard but I still am going to say this, it would've been much better if they just focused on Kanagawa

shell void
#

this is the first horizon game that ive ever played so i cant comment on older versions

#

i dont really care that it's in japan, and honestly the main two NPCs are annoying

#

i just like tuning and driving cars with arcade physics

pure garnet
#

it doesn’t even have to be japan the map is just way better visually

#

the mexico map wasn’t great

floral spear
#

FUCK

cosmic gazelle
#

mexico map was worst in the series

brisk jolt
cosmic gazelle
#

imo 4 was underrated but i didn’t play 3 enough to have much of an opinion

shell void
#

from my brief unscientific google searching a few days ago 3 and 4 were both loved, but 3 was overall the best until 6 came out

#

in terms of general public opinion anyway

cosmic gazelle
#

i played like 1400 hours of 4

#

i didn’t have a pc when 3 was live

pallid marsh
thorn jacinth
#

So installed new motherboard when I turn it on fan and stuff turn on for a sec then turn off no debug leds and cpu doesnt get hot

hoary hatch
#

I think this is my new peak steam download rate

shell void
#

ripping

teal orbit
#

Man I don't even have >1GbE

teal orbit
#

That's what they're saying

#

Instead, I plan to use enough WiFi access points that I don't need range

shell void
#

wifi 7+

#

once the spec is more official it’ll be a good time to upgrade assuming APs are fairly priced

teal orbit
#

it'll be 10 years before ubiquiti releases a U8-Pro

#

given their typical behavior

brisk jolt
cosmic gazelle
#

this shit is literally the same as hynix but with way worse rfc and primaries capability

#

i know 40 minutes doesn’t mean anything btw i’m just saying in general

topaz veldt
#

@green marsh Had a weird one - I am running claude cli with "dangerous permission" and it built me a python script but in doing so it breaks python for claude cli lol

green marsh
topaz veldt
#

it just took me a bit to figure out wtf

#

whatever it does, results in this for any prompt:

API Error: 400 request.messages.1.role: Invalid discriminator value. Expected 'user' | 'assistant'

green marsh
vagrant cargo
#

Omg omg

green marsh
trim agate
topaz veldt
vagrant cargo
#

Hkc has apparently mentioned the release date for the m10 ultra in china however globally no release date but apparently they stated they are actively "evaluating regional demand and compliance" to map out the international rollout.

#

If we get the m10 ultra im gonna be haply and given how hkc and the compa ys it owns loves undercutting he competition price wise getting he m10 ultra for 1 pound ir 1,200 will be so good

#

Im gonna be laughing my butt off if they oush it for a 945 pound price

green marsh
#

also funny how people do vibe coding with zero preparation and then they are confused by their usage rates. Meanwhile here is me. who spent a day researching how to write a SPARQL query against EU SPARQL database (never used either of those things) and researched all the data i need, so i could give the local LLM a 80 line specification with two SPARQL queries so it won't have to figure out all that stuff by itself šŸ˜„

topaz veldt
#

šŸ™‚

#

Soooo I have this massive new deployment... there are... 26 network switches

#

and there is some flap going on somewhere

#

I believe its in one of the leaf to spine port channels based on behavior

#

but rather than poke around I am having claude write me a script to look in an inventory file for hostname or IP of a switch, do a ping or nslookup to get the hostname/IP, specify if its a nexus or arista switch, and then do a show tech-support and dump the files out and parse

#

each tech support dump is like 700MB-1,100MB 😐

civic reef
cosmic gazelle
#

seƱor snail check out what i got mostly stable so far

#

just gotta do primaries and twr and im gonna call it

#

i could probably min max a couple extra subs but it's probably about as good as it's gonna get

green marsh
#

@topaz veldt this is a new one, never seen that message (with a local model)

wild rampart
#
placid blaze
#

Alienware monitors are really good

#

it's like, the one thing I'll say that about

steel stream
maiden prairie
maiden prairie
shell void
#

well it’s $100 more expensive, but it’s 120Hz

teal orbit
#

instant won

steel stream
smoky orbit
steel stream
#

Yeah I’m fine w the price increase for the aluminum I understand why they did it

shell void
#

the aluminum chassis is required

#

it has to look and feel nice at a low price or else it’s not a neo competitor

#

performance per dollar doesn’t sell a netbook in 2026

shell void
shell void
smoky orbit
frail beacon
#

Qualcomm is planning a low end processor I think. That could be good for light tasks if the laptops are priced properly

steel stream
frail beacon
shell void
#

a metal body and laminated glass screen with good calibration are non-negotiable tbh

shell void
#

enjoying the game so far?

teal orbit
#

So you're telling me 72% sRGB isn't good enough?!?!

steel stream
#

Yeah it’s pretty good, I wish I had my dualsense but it’s fun

#

I’m half decent at racing

#

I need more money for more cars

shell void
#

800p60Hz and 8000K white point too

shell void
#

but also upgrading those cars costs a ton of money too

#

i think i’m only going to spend money on upgrades, and then just use the cars that i unlock for free from rewards and whatever else

#

for the first little while anyway

steel stream
#

I want to buy a VW bus, Audi Quattro, and air cooled Porsche

shell void
#

is the bus in the game? i forgot to check last night

steel stream
#

Yah fortunately it is