tech-chat-2

[nocturne jacinth]

Man S24s can be found for like $200 now 🥀

[loud depot]

where

[nocturne jacinth]

Used market

[loud depot]

cheapest in the site im looking at in Greece is 400e

[nocturne jacinth]

Ah market way different there

[cosmic gazelle]

this is such bullshit lmao

[indigo walrus]

Reason #748576 I will never willingly buy an Apple or Samsung device. If I can't replace the stock software with something else without the device being permanently altered in a way that the company can try to claim my warranty is now void, I don't want it because I don't actually "own" that device despite paying for it.

[low sorrel]

well there's ways that do get around it

but they aren't very reliable

[pure garnet]

it’s for samsung knox which is actually good at what it does iirc

[loud depot]

usa?

[low sorrel]

knox doesn't always work

but would i root a samsung phone

no

[nocturne jacinth]

Yessir

[low sorrel]

what phone do you use?

[loud depot]

@low sorrel if u had around 450e and u wanted storage, battery, not a bad camera combining a little big of playing wich one would u get

[low sorrel]

iphone 15

pro

[loud depot]

u would get?

[low sorrel]

used

[loud depot]

yea i searched that, one used at 380euros

[cosmic gazelle]

@pure garnet if karhu makes my hotter stick hit 49c that's like fine right

[loud depot]

had a little chip left corner

@low sorrel do u think this is a good deal, seller doesnt even negotiate a cent

[hoary hatch]

If you like/want iOS this isn't bad
Look into what total price with a battery replacement would be

[low sorrel]

me personally

I wouldn't ever buy a cracked phone

[loud depot]

i had iphone 12 for just a year, i sold it cause of the battery and overheating in summer

[low sorrel]

If im gonna use a cracked phone

i better crack it myself

[cosmic gazelle]

@indigo walrus i know we just had the whole "don't root your phone unless you really know what you're doing" discussion, but they have a freshly updated android 16 lineage build for the galaxy s23 and that's pretty kickass value imo lol

[indigo walrus]

Currently a Motorola Razr Ultra 50 aka Razr Plus 2024 because Motorola decided to do what Canon did in the 1990's and 2000's by having confusingly different naming schemes for the EXACT SAME HARDWARE depending on where you live. Gee, thanks. Let's just make buying things more difficult than necessary!

[nocturne jacinth]

iPhone 15 is very good still, I have it as my secondary/apple phone

[loud depot]

flip phone

[low sorrel]

oh it's not cracked

[nocturne jacinth]

And the fact it's usb-c probably the floor going onwards for cheapest iPhone (realistically I think 14 should be the entry bc of 6gb ram)

[low sorrel]

that makes it more sus for me

[loud depot]

just ded pixels?

[low sorrel]

yeah

I would NOT buy that

[hoary hatch]

Anything with lightning is ewate

[indigo walrus]

Yee Lineage has been releasing quite a few quality OS builds lately. I just caution people about rooting because I've run into too many who think it's as simple as plugging the phone into a computer, downloading a piece of software, and clicking a button. Guess who they come to when it breaks? 😒

[low sorrel]

the oled screen undernearth is damaged and I would not wanna fuck with that

may spread may not depending whats damaged

[loud depot]

can it epxand

[low sorrel]

XDA devs

[cosmic gazelle]

my first rooting experience i literally had to call motorola on the phone and have them give me a bootloader unlock hash key verbally lmao

[floral spear]

Hola Kirashi

[loud depot]

he probably has it for a long time like that

[turbid locust]

@pure garnet 8200 might not be viable for daily on this board. Not having much luck.

[loud depot]

@indigo walrus do u think samsung fold phones are worth it

[low sorrel]

no

[cosmic gazelle]

those things suck ass

[hoary hatch]

The only phone I rooted was my essential PH-1
It was so boring because it was easy and just worked

[indigo walrus]

Compared to Motorola's Razr series? Absolutely not. It's not that Samsung isn't doing well in the hardware front... but their software is lackluster. Motorola has allowed you to run almost any app you want on the outside screen. Wait, you said FOLD, not FLIP. My bad. I have no experience with Folding phones.

[low sorrel]

the only one I would even consider would be a new one

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i recently updated an ancient samsung tablet from android 5 to android 10 and it just like instantly worked

[hoary hatch]

Fold vs flip do they mean Samsung flip phones?

[low sorrel]

i rooted a pixel once

so fucking boring too easy

[cosmic gazelle]

on old old samsung devices you have to use this sketchy third party program to unlock the bootloader so that's kinda interesting i guess

[loud depot]

😂 np i also look for flip phones, would u suggest some

[low sorrel]

I don't get the point of flip phones

[hoary hatch]

People who are nostalgic for 2005 is why they exist

[indigo walrus]

I'm biased to the Razr series... mostly for what I said in my prior message. Like all devices, they have software problems, but having checked out a friend's Samsung Flip series phone... yeah no, the Razr feels more polished and you can actually use the outside screen for more than widgets.

[loud depot]

big, watching netflix idk big clash of clans screen

[low sorrel]

@spiral quarry who you betting for pole

[low sorrel]

no thats a fold phone

[loud depot]

a mb

compact, old base into new technology?

[loud depot]

ill check it

[indigo walrus]

That's part of it. Another reason they exist is for people like me who spend too much time playing Pokemon Go. Running the game on the outside screen isn't perfect, but it saves about 30% battery life compared to running it on a screen twice the size when the phone is open / unflipped. I also use the outside screen to control Spotify when listening to podcasts, or when I just want to pull the phone from my pocket to check notifications.

[loud depot]

600euros in my country

[low sorrel]

I have never once played pokemon go

[spiral quarry]

Hmm Russel. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Kimi here.

[cosmic gazelle]

kirashi what level are you

[low sorrel]

@loud depot I would rule out flip or fold phones unless you're buying new

[indigo walrus]

But yeah... Fold and Flip phones are definitely niche devices. They are not for everyone, they are much more delicate because the inner screens are NOT made of hardened glass, and they have a lot more software quirks.

[wise bear]

e

[low sorrel]

f

[cosmic gazelle]

g

[hoary hatch]

I'm still expecting to drop $2k on the z fold 8 wide later this year

[low sorrel]

what about the iphone fold

[cosmic gazelle]

iphold

[low sorrel]

ifold

[wise bear]

iFuckOff

[loud depot]

nah new is way to expensive for me atm, i think if i find the z flip 5 at 250 ill consider it

[wise bear]

:3

[low sorrel]

oh did you change your pfp

[wise bear]

ya

[indigo walrus]

71, with enough experience to reach level 73 or 74? I always stall out on the challenges for each level.

[low sorrel]

remember the hidges do wear out on flip/fold phones

[spiral quarry]

Back to the clapping cat

[wise bear]

I change it every now and then

[low sorrel]

the inside screen scratches easily

[loud depot]

what about huawei, i can get in my country

[low sorrel]

because you can't have a flexible hard screen

[low sorrel]

no experience

[indigo walrus]

This. The hinges and/or pre-installed screen protector (that you actually need on a folding / flip phone) wear out if you don't take care of overuse or otherwise abuse the device.

[low sorrel]

I wonder

[steel stream]

Yeah it makes foldables not usable for me

[cosmic gazelle]

damn i'm at 68, don't see many people higher than that

[low sorrel]

could you put 2 hard screen protectors ontop of the foldable

just avoid the hidge area

[indigo walrus]

I'm sure you could, but I wouldn't. There are soft TPU-like hydrogel protectors specifically for foldables.

[spiral quarry]

The height of the screen protectors might effect the hinge closing all the way

thickness I mean

[steel stream]

They’ve made foldables where it isn’t one continuous screen, but two separate ones so you can do glass

[low sorrel]

i mean I wouldn't manage it would need to be very thick to stop scratches

[loud depot]

genuine question if u had 450euros which phone would u get new or used

[low sorrel]

@steel stream watch f1 quali

stop bowling

[cosmic gazelle]

karhu errored again at exactly the same point in the run

i'm gonna try wrrd this time

[spiral quarry]

Will Kimi complain on the radio again or not lol

[low sorrel]

lewis pole trust

[steel stream]

Is Audi doing any good

[low sorrel]

quali just started

11,12 in sprint quali tho

[turbid locust]

ram oc makes no fucking sense

why is 65K tREFI at 53C fine in the big case but 50K tREFI at 48C was erroring in the A3

[low sorrel]

||16,18 mid way through q1||

[steel stream]

Damn

[spiral quarry]

Ayyy both Audis not eliminated

[low sorrel]

||They made it by the skin of their teeth||

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yas-wwe-scream-gif-17625417

[spiral quarry]

Stroll wtf was that move lol

[low sorrel]

||leclerc needs to lock in||

[turbid locust]

ok back to the schizophrenic act of gpu tuning

[topaz veldt]

whatcha doing

[low sorrel]

f1

@steel stream ||double q2 exit hadjar provinosal pole, leclerc p8 in q2||

[topaz veldt]

I know that Jerald

I was meaning Mac

[low sorrel]

ok 🐌

i will cook you and eat you as a deliacy

[pure garnet]

any luck?

[turbid locust]

nah and I had a freeze at 8000 too but I think it was temp related

dimms hit like 55C with 65K tREFI after like 45 mins

had the 5090 dumping 550W into the case the whole time so like

sidenote I dont think i'll ever understand Nvidias V/F curve on the 5090 or the boost algorithm

because like fuck do you mean I have a flat curve at 900mv and it's pulling 950mv anyway

and raising it 100Mhz drops the clocks 100Mhz instead

like wtaf

THIS SHIT IS LYING

[merry stirrup]

it either cannot hit those clocks at that voltage safely or youre not puttingg a proper enough load on it

[turbid locust]

I got steel nomad looping

[merry stirrup]

so probably the first one

[turbid locust]

I set 2500Mhz first and it does whatever it wants

[merry stirrup]

are you resetting or modifying your curve each time you change

[turbid locust]

it's just running 50mv higher than what it says it is on the curve

[turbid locust]

tried both

[merry stirrup]

make sure you reset each time you change your curve

like every time

you can do adjustments upward but going back down seems to not work properly

[turbid locust]

It just doesnt do the voltage i set like at fuckin all bro

[merry stirrup]

is this a bios issue

[turbid locust]

full system freeze at basically stock bro wtf

Am I just fucking cursed I just can’t run 8000+ ram anymore

[cosmic gazelle]

@pure garnet ye of little faith i just needed to raise wrrd to 4

[merry stirrup]

full system freeze in only fh6 so far?

[merry stirrup]

cuz my shit works just ifne

[pure garnet]

need apex

[turbid locust]

no ever since this new Nvidia driver my shit just full system freezes seemingly due to heat issues with the ram but like fuck bro it did it at jedec in the mpower before I swapped boards but it was in FH6

[merry stirrup]

people have been saying the most recent nvidia driver is not that good but i myself havent had a problem

[shell void]

that's strange

[turbid locust]

I’m about to enable expo and just let the 5090 eat steel nomad for awhile because at this point I can’t even fucking tell what’s unstable

[merry stirrup]

check your connector goat you never know

[shell void]

i havent ever encountered that "vcore going above set limit" bug before

[pure garnet]

why not try another driver

[turbid locust]

FH6 literally won’t run unless you’re on most recent

[turbid locust]

Wireview is fine

[merry stirrup]

i am on latest myself

[shell void]

it's normal for your effective clocks to not actually reach parity with your target clocks because it depends on load, temperature, and how aggressive the vbios is, but ive never seen it overshoot the limit by 50mv

[merry stirrup]

macs card has a vbios flash right why dont we just go back to stock or use the vbios switch for a boot

[turbid locust]

I’m just not allowed to tune a pc anymore like fucking hell bro I am going to quit the entire fucking hobby

[turbid locust]

ITS FUCKING STOCKKKKKKK

[merry stirrup]

oh i thought you still had high power

[shell void]

embrace stock 9850x3d with auto trained jedec ram and stock 5090

play video game

[merry stirrup]

embrace intel

230w in furmark on my 5070tu is pretty gucci

[shell void]

floppa go to mac house and tune pc in exchange for free beer and hardware

[merry stirrup]

sounds good

krunk with mac

[turbid locust]

just trying to not lose my fucking mind right now I just want a moderately tuned pc without it fucking exploding

[merry stirrup]

what is all this mumbo jumbo about latest driver voltage capping the 5090

[shell void]

i havent heard about that

[cosmic gazelle]

probably that the latest driver voltage caps the 5090

[turbid locust]

[cosmic gazelle]

(i have no idea what you’re talking about)

[merry stirrup]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1ta79ar/nvidia_voltage_cap_is_killing_performance_on_50/

[turbid locust]

my card was just doing every bit of like 1v so

[pure garnet]

i’m on latest studio with no warnings

[turbid locust]

studio might just be the move

[merry stirrup]

i have had literally 0 issues with the 5070ti

[pure garnet]

596.36

[steel stream]

Nissan Al Gaib

[shell void]

as far as i know that was an issue in one driver release and fixed the next, it's been months

not a persistent issue since 591.86

[merry stirrup]

oh ok. nvidia driver naming has me slightly confused and it popped up recently on yt so

[low sorrel]

||merc 1-2|| @steel stream

[steel stream]

Damn wow

Osama bin Russell

[spiral quarry]

Lol

[merry stirrup]

apparently i installed this on the 12th

[spiral quarry]

Same three from sprint

[turbid locust]

I DDU'd and reinstalled yesterday

[shell void]

yeah that was back in late feb early march

[turbid locust]

ok bone stock cpu with expo mem and stock 5090 if this shit freezes it HAS to be gpu right????

[merry stirrup]

or consider

[shell void]

im able to go up to 1.09v like normal

[merry stirrup]

the system just being stupid

[cosmic gazelle]

you guys wish you were me

[merry stirrup]

i dont think so

fh6 on da igpu

[steel stream]

Cody’s me bro let me be me

[cosmic gazelle]

i have it locked to 40fps it’s pretty decent tbh

[turbid locust]

I like how yours goes an extra 65mv over mine

[merry stirrup]

im a snob

[cosmic gazelle]

well i’m tuning ram so it’s either this or go lay in bed

[merry stirrup]

thats y you have 3 competent gaming computers like me and somehow theyre still all out of commission at the same time

[pure garnet]

i’m on da 4050 mobile

[cosmic gazelle]

lmao

[merry stirrup]

i have a 1050 mobile take it or leave it

[topaz veldt]

I have a 1050 normal

[turbid locust]

I’m leaving the room if I come back and it hasn’t frozen after like an hour idk wtf ima do then

[merry stirrup]

lowkey wish the cpu "idle" power draw was lower

[steel stream]

9950X3D2 + 1050

[topaz veldt]

a winning combination

[slim pebble]

Darn, I only have a blocked 5090. I lost.

[merry stirrup]

whatbout a mac signed 5070ti

@cosmic gazelle according to obs this is my best ddr3 config btw

[slim pebble]

Do both of your X3D2 CCDs boost the same, or does one do better than the other?!

[merry stirrup]

1 stick does 11-13-12 but the kit doesnt

[merry stirrup]

they should have the same fmax if only 1 at a time is active

if both are active one will have a higher fmax (usually ccd 0) iirc

hwinfo should also show you your fmax in any given scenario

look for global fmax or similar

[cosmic gazelle]

on what

[merry stirrup]

that was 4690K

[topaz veldt]

no idea I don't look at it lol

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m gonna see what i can get on like 1.5v, I wanna configure the 4790k for a low power draw minecraft server

gonna set pl1 to like 45w

[low sorrel]

@turbid locust https://www.reddit.com/r/counterstrike/comments/1tlo3i1/this_is_scary/

CS is so cooked cheat devs are PUTTING OUT THIS QUALITY???

[gentle urchin]

With 32x Frame Gen, you only need 8 real fps

For 240hz monitor that is

Wait, it multiplies even more

[low sorrel]

7.5

[turbid locust]

@merry stirrup GPU ran Steel Nomad for an hour no issue

So I guess I’m just the only mf on the planet that can’t cool 50K tREFI in an ATX case with a ram fan

[shell void]

meanwhile riot basically patched every cheat

[late atlas]

And there's still cheats that work

(league of legends) wadbot being one of them

I have a friend who makes game cheats for a living, it's pretty interesting

He's doing some testing with intel CPUs right now

[slim pebble]

Yeah it’s kind of all over the place:

[hoary hatch]

I've never used and iPhone and I never will

[steel stream]

Missing out

[shell void]

pokemon crystal has the prettiest cartridge by far

[steel stream]

Send pic

[shell void]

cart spread

[steel stream]

Damn bro even 5nail might be jealous of this

Pokémon emerald 🗣️🔥

[shell void]

everyone gases emerald, ive never played it

[cosmic gazelle]

bro this 4400 tune is so confusing

certain values will do ridiculous values and then dropping trc from 64 to 62 causes an error

[steel stream]

I just think the legendaries in that game are the best

Also the puzzles are pretty cool

[merry stirrup]

now do a different typa cart spread

[merry stirrup]

its gud :)

i think that was the last gen i played

not that im old i just was weird and played them gen by gen

[steel stream]

I have no idea of what these carts you speak of are

[merry stirrup]

wait my bad im thinking of like ruby and sapphire not emerald green 😭

[merry stirrup]

errrmmmmmmmm

[steel stream]

Well ruby sapphire and emerald are all the same gen

[merry stirrup]

o

[cosmic gazelle]

alright warship there’s literally a bird called that

[merry stirrup]

excuse me i do not know pokemon very well

[steel stream]

T1t

[merry stirrup]

not super into nintendo consoles

[cosmic gazelle]

floppa is twr just fafo

[merry stirrup]

trcd+trp is a good start

thats jedec formula for it

[steel stream]

My laptop was only able to do old gba emulation so that’s what I played

Got up to silver and gold

[merry stirrup]

fair

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-george-w-bush-george-walker-bush-george-bush-gif-4763846221746003914

[cosmic gazelle]

my board only steps in 6es and my rcdrd and rp are 26

so does that mean i just go with 54

[merry stirrup]

sounds good

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m trying 48 because i think my rc was too low but we’ll see

is it that my board only steps in 6es or is that ddr5 spec

[merry stirrup]

6's are recommended but my board allows in between

[cosmic gazelle]

ah

[merry stirrup]

i dont listen to myself so like i mean just find what works

jedec formula realistically means nothing because its supposed to work on everything

[cosmic gazelle]

i feel like this tune isn’t hard enough to require gdm but every time I turn gdm off my shit won’t mcr

so might try it once i’m done tuning

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah alright bro

some of us own micron

[merry stirrup]

some meaning 1

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

i will be running my micron ddr4 faster than my micron ddr5 actually which is an embarrassing stat for micron

[merry stirrup]

micron has never been the best at making ram i dont think 💀

mid ahh manufacturer

[cosmic gazelle]

they’ve been the best at discord user chipsdotmp4 opening up pcpartpicker in november 2025 and clicking buy on the cheapest 6000 kit

[shell void]

for udimms yeah i dont know of any time when they were meta

[merry stirrup]

amd users loved them which is weird

[shell void]

they have been the pioneers of MRDIMMs which are the highest performance enterprise memory

[merry stirrup]

because they sucked

[merry stirrup]

(rev.e)

trfc and trc is so impossibly bad on that chip i dont know why youd pick it for am4

[shell void]

i bought rev e because it was a lot cheaper than bdie at the time that i bought it

[merry stirrup]

which is fair

[cosmic gazelle]

i actually was so stupid that i bought the 6000 kit instead of the cheaper 6400 kit because people said 6000 was better for am5

which like, yeah, but also holy shit what a noob decision

[merry stirrup]

but if youre explicitly buying to tune i think people shouldve bought the 3600 14-14-14 vipers for like 100$ like everyone else at the time

like a bajillion of those kits sold

[cosmic gazelle]

im wondering if i can put the 5500 and the rx 580 in a cheap case once im done w them and sell it on for a profit

[shell void]

i think that kit just ran at 3200cl16 xmp for the time that i used the 10900f

[merry stirrup]

fair

i used bdie on the 10700 and holy balls my 10700 actually has a decent imc 💀

[shell void]

i didnt really get into tuning memory until am5

because it was so much more well-documented

[merry stirrup]

4266 which i think is the highest it went to on am4 even

my bad 4106

[cosmic gazelle]

probably can’t because i’d need like $330 to break even and it’s a weird config to get almost $400 for

[merry stirrup]

im first in yc on this one

[cosmic gazelle]

flop did you know ab the 1700 bclk glitch

[merry stirrup]

fuck is that

like lga 1700?

[cosmic gazelle]

12400f records are done on 140bclk because there was a loophole

[merry stirrup]

yeah

its external clock gen and chips with a specific stepping

[cosmic gazelle]

which is crazy because imagine the value proposition if you could still do that

[merry stirrup]

you cannot

[cosmic gazelle]

i know

[merry stirrup]

its 12th only pretty sure, sadly

theres been a lotta stuff like that throughout intel gens though

look up like "asrock sky oc" or something

https://www.techpowerup.com/218376/asrock-unveils-sky-oc-technology

non k oc z170

6400 ocable

[cosmic gazelle]

what would you use trying to stability test a negative voltage offset on the 4790k to test for transient spike crashes and shit

[merry stirrup]

ycruncher vt3

[cosmic gazelle]

does that like constantly spike up and down?

[shell void]

my 10900f was more-or-less unlocked, but only through a specific older branch of XTU

i could get it to boost to 4.9 allcore and undervolt it instead of being limited to 4.6 with no voltage control

[merry stirrup]

pretty decent

although 10th gen did insane all core freq

people running like 10900K 5.3+

quite awesome chips but rkl was better

[shell void]

youre not allowed to say that

[merry stirrup]

rkl is my favorite intel generation

[shell void]

11700K dropped core count so it's literally the worst thing ever produced

[steel stream]

11900H in my laptop is poop buns

[merry stirrup]

yet it beat previous gen in all core quite confidently?

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m trying to set a pl1 of like 35w and a pl2 of 55w on the 4790k to make it at least somewhat efficient but i feel like there’s a world where the system shits itself moving from idle to load if there’s enough of a voltage offset

[merry stirrup]

just gotta oc

[merry stirrup]

roman pointed this out too

it either matched it or beat it, which means single core uplift was pretty decent

[cosmic gazelle]

bros got the german on a first name basis

[merry stirrup]

just faster to type than the youtube name lowk

i mean my 11700K was gapping most peoples 10900K scores at the same freq so

and that is on buns os

[shell void]

☠️

[merry stirrup]

yeah bro its 14nm let it kaboom

(loadline = like 1.4v in cb)

its drawing 300w on a board with notorious backplane issues, theres a lot of vdroop

[shell void]

never forget when Jayztwocents set the 11900K to the baseline 125W PL1 power spec, and enabled PBO on the 5800X for his comparison video

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[merry stirrup]

shit hits like 1.2 million degrees

not as bad as i thought but its still not great

[shell void]

not bad at all

[cosmic gazelle]

pov enabling pbo on 5800x:

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-putting-out-fire-fire-wildfire-walter-white-gif-20116659

[merry stirrup]

prolly had it on a 360mm aio and then the 11900k on an air cooler or somethin

[cosmic gazelle]

thank goodness, was worried for a sec

[merry stirrup]

just you wait buddy

i will however give you a mere hint

[cosmic gazelle]

isn’t this a 5700

[merry stirrup]

lol no

[cosmic gazelle]

oh whelp

[merry stirrup]

late prod date 5500s are probably paste and not soldered

[south shuttle]

how good quality is the paste?

any reports of it going crusty, separation or other types of degradation?

[merry stirrup]

dawg idk its probably going to be shit in 3 years

unfortunately

[shell void]

why are there so many gosh dang SMDs on that substrate?

[merry stirrup]

because theres pins on the bottom

thats why intel isnt just a full array of pins so the top of the substrate can be clear

just as many on a 13900K

just in a way better spot

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

all of my homies hate pin grid array processors

[merry stirrup]

same

but amd still does it now

its for a better socket footprint or something i reckon but i really dont fw it

rectangle is fine make it work

[shell void]

no excuse when intel somehow fit two ~153mm 8p16e 144MB compute tiles on the lga1954 substrate even though it's the same size as lga1700/1851

i cant wait to see die shots of nova lake

it probably uses damn near all of the space under the ihs

[merry stirrup]

yeesh contact is gonna matter LOTS

[slim pebble]

I’m going to drop so much money on this for the 52 core…

[merry stirrup]

peak os testing computer

terrible photo my bad

[slim pebble]

So wait, 1954 will use the same cooler bracket again?

[merry stirrup]

kvm just chillin there

[shell void]

yeh it's the same size as lga1700 and 1851

just more smaller pins

[pure garnet]

mpowa

[merry stirrup]

yur

the core components of that computer are literally all yours

[shell void]

supa flowa

[merry stirrup]

puting

[shell void]

wat the card do

[merry stirrup]

which

floating or not

[shell void]

yeh the floating one with the white usb c cable

[merry stirrup]

kvm

also has hdmi running to it

other card is just ssd

system is self contained besides a power cable so i dont need a monitor for it or anything

[pure garnet]

did you ever get decent mem speed working

[merry stirrup]

have not fafoed with it

just using it to test os scaling as i make them then ill do that

@cosmic gazelle to answer your question, yes, what i made is better than IOT LTSC

the best one ive made so far sits at 94 processes and 1.6gb ram and iot ltsc is 136 and 2.6

i think its a whole 2% diff in bench though lol

[shell void]

generous

[merry stirrup]

i have data

[low sorrel]

has any of yall watched the orville?

i keep seeing clips of it

[merry stirrup]

my best to 2nd best is 1.1% and theyre both pretty stripped so i assume base ltsc is probably gonna be a little slower

i am testing base iot ltsc rn

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

[shell void]

👍

[merry stirrup]

we wait for this painful file transfer first

[low sorrel]

is it any good

[pure garnet]

what about ltsc with all the services disabled

[merry stirrup]

modified iot enterprise ltsc is next

1.8% i was pretty close

gon look fart but

exact same wattage and everything FlopperOS win

within 1c too

[shell void]

i’m in the same boat as you, i’ve only seen it in clips

[low sorrel]

@frank cypress

[cosmic gazelle]

well i bought a supposedly new oem tray chip that somebody probably stole or something so we’ll see

[cosmic gazelle]

i’d be curious to know if it’s better than my standard suite of disabled services lol

if i know it’s purely a sub os i disable the audio service

[cosmic gazelle]

get teracopy it’s a billion times better than windows explorer for file transferring

[merry stirrup]

cant make sd faster

[devout ridge]

Yeah you can, you throw it harder

[frank cypress]

fuck you

😭

on thebright side though, new mattress and box springs arrived

got a new set of sheets and two panels of blackout curtains

sleep is gonna be legendary tonight 🔥

[hoary hatch]

Am i

[arctic bronze]

Bruh, this is true af, its always 200+ miles away 😭😭

[hoary hatch]

Cinebench 2026 is weird

[cosmic gazelle]

people use cinebench 2026?

[vivid kiln]

Eventually you have to... Older versions don't take advantage of all of the same hardware

[shell void]

R23 4ever

[hoary hatch]

It was installed cause MS store

I quickly downloaded r23

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/marlon3lg-m3-m3skee-look-at-this-guy-take-a-look-at-this-guy-gif-13228693013954270077

this guy

[hoary hatch]

Annoyingly this 13700k is only using 133 wats in r23

Where's my space heater function intel

Intel default profile in bios has these p cores at 5.3ghz

[cosmic gazelle]

don’t you gotta hit the “kill my shit twin” button to uncap power draw on 13th gen now

[hoary hatch]

I tried Asus OC profile with all limits disabled and I could only get 180w briefly

Also r23 crashed with Asus OC profile

Idk if CPU or ram issue

[cosmic gazelle]

i only know how amd works but can you not just manually set tdc and edc limit to a billion

[merry stirrup]

cpu

[hoary hatch]

I am running SVID best case scenario

[merry stirrup]

r23 hardly uses ram in a stressful way

[hoary hatch]

So maybe loosen that with Asus unlocked profile

[merry stirrup]

run typical

[cosmic gazelle]

r23 will complete with any ram config that isn’t literally unbootable

[merry stirrup]

basically yeah

[hoary hatch]

Should I try 5.5 ghz

[merry stirrup]

do you have good cooling

[hoary hatch]

Meh

[merry stirrup]

i wouldnt

[hoary hatch]

3x Arctic 120 pro
But MSI A13 rad

The pump is questionable

[merry stirrup]

idk if thats any good

[hoary hatch]

It exists

It's certainly not a notable cooler

But I needed a bigger rad than the Corsair 240 I had on it before

Jesus

Best case scenario -> typical svid is pulling an extra 100W

Well I'll see if Jedi survivor stops crashing on the second planet with this profile

[turbid locust]

FH6 is mad pretty man

[topaz veldt]

not going to lie it looks a lot like FH5

[turbid locust]

I think the RT is done better in this game

[topaz veldt]

I will have to spend more time with it

What settings are you running? I just extreme'd everything

[turbid locust]

Maxed out with Preset L DLSS Override on Quality with a 90fps cap (its a car game i play with controller idgaf about higher fps)

[topaz veldt]

I will try that

I am friggin stuffed

[devout ridge]

You’re making me hungry

[topaz veldt]

apologies

[turbid locust]

I think im finally getting the hang of tuning cars in forza

I just built like the most balanced A class M4 on the planet

[devout ridge]

Send me a plate and i’ll forgive you

[turbid locust]

@topaz veldt rate the spec

[topaz veldt]

looks awesome

almost look like F82 666m wheels

[turbid locust]

They're the stock wheels the game has on the '21 M4, I just made them bronze

[topaz veldt]

oh, there you have it

[turbid locust]

yeh lol

I'm on that bronze wheel propaganda ngl

[topaz veldt]

yeah man

I was looking at some BC Forged wheels for our 440

but i dunno it hink the red brakes + bronze/gold + grey is weird

[steel stream]

Idk maybe

[digital plume]

how does this do with bumps on the road

[steel stream]

Big ass nose

[turbid locust]

Honestly when these first came out I hated it but now I actually love it lmao

[topaz veldt]

whatcha mean

@turbid locust

but in bronze/dark gold

[steel stream]

Yeah I really fuck with the rest of the body, I’d put up for it with the nose

[digital plume]

idk im used to smaller rims with a much bigger rubber

[turbid locust]

I see the vision

[steel stream]

The second part of that sentence is not coherent

[topaz veldt]

oh - yeah 20's are rough

[digital plume]

rip

[turbid locust]

I need this to be what my future 440 looks like

[steel stream]

You’ll get a Nissan Altima and you’ll like it

[topaz veldt]

here is one of mine

those are 19", I also have 20"

[turbid locust]

Assuming things work out as they should with work in the next couple years, the Sentra --> 440i villian arc isn't a crazy outcome im ngl LMAO

[topaz veldt]

you can buy mine

will make you a great deal

[steel stream]

🙏

Just come pick me up for a ride

[turbid locust]

Theres a reality where this happens im ngl

[topaz veldt]

in like 2 years it might have 10,000 miles lol

[turbid locust]

Depends on how things work out for me in the next 2 to 3 years

[turbid locust]

Fawk yeah lol

[topaz veldt]

@digital plume this is a sketchier drive than the 19/20" setup

[pure garnet]

i’ve put 17k miles on in 6 years

grocery store driving

[topaz veldt]

I have a 2015 335 w/ 38k miles lol

[turbid locust]

I did 7.4k miles in just over a year

[topaz veldt]

My F80 M3CS had like... 20k miles

it was a 2018

[turbid locust]

Swagtra had 7.2k when I bought it 13 months ago and it's sitting at 14.8k now

[topaz veldt]

I have a funny carfax, hang on

@turbid locust lol my turbo car

[turbid locust]

no inspections beyond initial registration in KY 🙂

[topaz veldt]

Recipe for disaster lol

that 210k miles is on the chassis obv - I drove the SHIT out of that thing

its like < 4k miles on the engine

[turbid locust]

It's about that time where I hyperfixate and research the ins and outs of a 440i mechanically

I need to know more about your 440's spec @topaz veldt kek

[topaz veldt]

loaded m sport, all options

[turbid locust]

awd?

[topaz veldt]

yes

[turbid locust]

fuuuuuuuuuckkkk ok shit ok this might have to be a conversation in a few years LMAO

[topaz veldt]

lol if i have it hit me up

[pure garnet]

mac conversation change of the century but did you get anything working with the gigabyte today

[turbid locust]

nah gave up and enabled expo to play games

[pure garnet]

fair

i played maybe 10 minutes of forza on my laptop today before getting off

[turbid locust]

I dont think it's a board issue I think I just have the most uncoolable sticks on the planet

[pure garnet]

haven’t really felt like gaming on this trip

[turbid locust]

Considering throwing my 8200cl40 H24M in, enabling XMP, and calling it a day

[pure garnet]

im staying on 8000 for awhile because twcl is like bugged on the apex

and it gets stuck at values really fast

[steel stream]

Just blow them up

[young void]

It be like that sometimes

[cosmic gazelle]

@merry stirrup that pic you sent earlier was a 5500 you delidded that had thermal paste?

i cant find a single mention of that literally anywhere

very slightly different markings than on the top left there

but looks basically the same

[merry stirrup]

a reddit photoo

just like late 7500F/7400F's are paste

[cosmic gazelle]

from where

[merry stirrup]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuildHelp/comments/1sgonvs/pc_came_off_with_the_cooler/

[cosmic gazelle]

pcb doesn’t have the markings for a 5500 though

seems to be a 4500

or something

[merry stirrup]

they change just like 7800x3ds changed

[cosmic gazelle]

just doesn’t make any sense when that’s literally the only mention of that anywhere on the internet

[merry stirrup]

for that specific uncommonish low end am4 chip yes

but not on other amd cpus that are also low end

[cosmic gazelle]

there’s no images of a 4500 delidded on the internet as far as i can tell but that would be the simplest explanation here

the guy’s on hwbot that has the yc1b record certainly looks scraped with a razor and he has a similar batch to mine

[merry stirrup]

could be im not saying its a guarantee

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m not arguing or like angry i’m just intrigued by how obscure this seems to be haha

[merry stirrup]

yeah i mean its not very well documented

[cosmic gazelle]

my chip was produced in 2025 so if it’s a thing i will probably experience it

[merry stirrup]

a delidded 5600G looks prretty identical

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i wish i had a 4000 die pic to reference

[merry stirrup]

ehhh it could be a 45000

glue around the smds is the only thing thats different

[cosmic gazelle]

the dude never actually showed his ihs which would solve this whole thing

[merry stirrup]

abd seens to be varied between chips anwyays

5600G failed

[cosmic gazelle]

OUCH

that makes me physically recoil

[merry stirrup]

neva done that befo

[cosmic gazelle]

why does not a single image have the little plus that hwbot guys has

[merry stirrup]

not sure

[cosmic gazelle]

dude ddr5 tuning is so chopped and unc

if i don’t set one value at a time and test for 4 fucking hours i end up with a tune that is unstable for no perceptible reason

and have to start all over again

[merry stirrup]

micron is also not documented very well

unlike hynix where you can find a lot of timing videos and so on

[cosmic gazelle]

nothing about this is documented very well lmao

i might be the only american trying to do a 4400 tune on micron

[merry stirrup]

i just do 9

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah yeah pal keep walkin

[merry stirrup]

2 dimm board 🤤

[cosmic gazelle]

like that would help

[merry stirrup]

you no

a flopper yes

[cosmic gazelle]

2 8 pin larp

[merry stirrup]

yeah i dont use it

[pure garnet]

asrock :/

[cosmic gazelle]

wouldn’t you need to be drawing transient spikes of almost 400 watts to need a 2nd connector

[merry stirrup]

if it doesnt melt i dont care

its something like that though. the cable/connector peaks at 314

[pure garnet]

340w max

[topaz veldt]

I just daily this

[cosmic gazelle]

karhu is funny because my speed went up by 1mbps raising a bunch of shit by 2

[topaz veldt]

I was running 8300 CL34 but it didn't do anything that 8000 CL32 didn't

[turbid locust]

Really surprised to see the Apex not set 60 Ohm Group B terms

[topaz veldt]

yeah this is whatever it autos there

[pure garnet]

you have to enable crosshair tweak for it to do that iirc

[turbid locust]

Also recent info suggests Hynix IC can degrade beyond 1.5v VDD and VDDQ but if you're not having issues then 🤷‍♂️

[topaz veldt]

I don't think it does group B's with tweak

[topaz veldt]

I have been running this for eons

[turbid locust]

My problem is not being able to cool my sticks with my 5090 dumping 550W into my case

[pure garnet]

my a die degraded at 1.65v vdd

went from 8000c34 stable to i’ve yet to get anything 8000 working again

[turbid locust]

I think my H24M degraded with 1.55v VDDQ

8400 ran and then it just didnt

[pure garnet]

it’s probably temp related since i don’t run naked dimms

[slim pebble]

My RAM sticks are running a hell of a lot cooler without an air cooled 5090 dumping 600 watts of heat on them.

[topaz veldt]

that's where the custom loop pays off

[turbid locust]

either that or I somehow hurt my cpu with 1.2v VDDP but even BZ said that shouldnt be the case

[topaz veldt]

I run 1.1 vddp fwiw

[turbid locust]

I suppose but man watercooling is expensive and a PITA for someone like me who cant leave my daily alone

[topaz veldt]

I mean... soft lines ezpz

I tested 3 9950X3D2s in this thing in like 2 hours

[turbid locust]

I struggled with soft tubing even

I dont think the 216X is very water cooling friendly anyway

so like new case + blocks + rads + pump/res + fittings + tubing like

shit adds up

[pure garnet]

you’d be better off running expo at that point

paying a lot of money just for avoiding ram heat isn’t worth

[turbid locust]

I have always wanted to water cool tho and I am an acoustics freak

[slim pebble]

Water cooling definitely isn’t cheap, not if you want to do it right

[turbid locust]

I hate when my computer makes noise

like stfu

[pure garnet]

i’ve wanted to do a loop but i’ve also realized i don’t want to maintain a loop

[slim pebble]

Water cooling fixes a lot of noise issues though

[pure garnet]

i’ll just rock my overpriced noctua fans

[slim pebble]

If done right, you set a fan curve off of the water temp.

[turbid locust]

Yeahhhhhh

[slim pebble]

Drain and clean once a year too much trouble?

[turbid locust]

FAHHHHH

[pure garnet]

at the moment i don’t wish to touch the inside of my computer until nova lake

[turbid locust]

I would probably need someone to help me plan a loop fr

[topaz veldt]

I literally have an EK TUF block on my table

[steel stream]

I got you

[slim pebble]

I think most of my stuff will still work on an NVL board. I just need to change out the cpu block mounting kit.

[turbid locust]

[topaz veldt]

every thing will work

[pure garnet]

also pac blocking a 9800x3d/5070ti just doesn’t sound right to me

it’s not hardware worth the extra investment to do that with

[slim pebble]

Is it worth swapping to a DDC and distro plate instead of a D5 and cylinder res?

[steel stream]

Jerry needs to block his 4070

[topaz veldt]

not with that attitude

[topaz veldt]

no - I prefer D5s

distros are nice but I prefer D5

[slim pebble]

Explain, I’ve never used a DDC

[shell void]

i’m probly going back to air cooling

[topaz veldt]

AI

[slim pebble]

Makes sense.
Honestly if your RAM is hot just stick a little fan near it?

[arctic bronze]

Na, just submerge it

[brisk jolt]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bean-dusk-bean-nian

[pure garnet]

i have to swap the heatsinks/take them off/change the pads because fan or no fan they get hot so i just run low trefi

[frank cypress]

yes

[floral spear]

@brisk jolt I feel like I accidentally ijnstalled a gta 5 mod with these unnecessary fucking rain puddles 😭

[brisk jolt]

the rain is nice but not so in the races

because they affect how the car actually drives while the AI is completely unaffected

[indigo walrus]

"You can't park there, bud."

[floral spear]

who is romeo and why is he an alpha?

[floral spear]

hey kirashi

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m happy to say i found all the treasure cars organically

and didn’t google it for once

[brisk jolt]

i havent played fh6 for the past 2 days

https://klipy.com/gifs/arknights-texas-2

[merry stirrup]

cookin up some garbage

[cosmic gazelle]

are you just going for subs here or what

[merry stirrup]

yeah seeing if this os is any decent

[cosmic gazelle]

my current karhu run is at 1 hr 35 minutes

going to bed and praying it’s alive when i wake up so i can actually make some damn progress

[floral spear]

son

[low sorrel]

I might need more vram

[low sorrel]

ok i might had a memory leak

it went to almost 20 and crashed

[topaz veldt]

damnit jerry

[minor herald]

RIP what has more vram

[frank cypress]

bro went from 12gb of vram to 12gb of vram 🥀

thanks jensen

[tepid scroll]

Yo does the EK-Quantum Vector³ Astral RTX 5090 - Plexi work with the astral I have that has a btf connector ?

[topaz veldt]

yes

[tepid scroll]

Thanks

[topaz veldt]

oh WAIT

[topaz veldt]

No - AI says no

The PCB is different

[low sorrel]

@merry stirrup wtf is a memory mangment bsod

Never seen this before in my life

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[green marsh]

@topaz veldt even 2080 TI is somewhat usable for LLM. Qwen3.6-35B-A3B in UD-IQ3_XXS does ~400t/s PP, around 30t/s TG with 3700X as CPU. I guess i should really try to get something better than the 5700G as my server CPU now that i added the 1080 Ti there, it would also probably run MoE 35B model just fine for tasks i would give it through Hermes. Too bad the used CPU prices are absurd

[high rain]

The vram is the biggest issue w a 2080 ti, and its not replicable at scale sadly

[green marsh]

obviously i talk about MoE models with offloading to RAM. With right settings (with llama-fit-params) it can run usable enough. I mean 3700X+32GB RAM+2080 Ti runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B UD-IQ3_XX quant with 200k context with mmproj features disabled, mmap disabled, q4 k/v cache at ~400t/s PP, 30t/s TG. Yes, it is a far cry from my Qwen3.6-27B in Q4 quant on a dual 5070 Ti which does around 1000t/s PP, 50t/s TG with MTP for much denser model, but it is certainly in a 'usable enough' region. Same with 1080 TI. Sadly the 5700G is really an issue with CPU offloading method, it was doing 10t/s only with 1080 Ti, while same 1080 Ti with Haswell-E CPU did 30t/s at same settings, with slower RAM even on Haswell-E (but quad channel)

[high rain]

Inlwk dont understand much abt training llms, but thay seems pretty cool and as long as it utilizes ram more than vram you got a point

[green marsh]

this is using LLMs, not training

[high rain]

Hell im planning on doing heavy rendering sessions w ue5 and such on a 1080 ftw and 1080 ti ichill

[green marsh]

hm, new Ryzen 7 5700 is 138 euros, maybe worth a try

[high rain]

Mb twin

[high rain]

I loved my 5700x but had to sell it, wish i got it back tho cuh

[green marsh]

that, or i will wait for the 10 year 5800X3D just to put it in server /s

[high rain]

I 110% believe ur /s but maybe 5 years, itll be like the 9600kf

Goated cpu btw

[green marsh]

/s for more like the price they will ask for it. Sadly 5900X/5950X are nowhere to be found in local used market, outside of being in bundles

found one 5950x for 240 euros

not sure it is worth it for just LLM tho, might as well keep using Qwen3.5-9B which fits in the 1080 TI VRAM including the kv cache

[green marsh]

also just realized 5700 is the one with half the L2 cache, which would mean literally zero difference to my current 5700G i have there.

[livid flame]

The only difference is G = iGPU.

Might be a slight clock difference of 1-200mhz extra that won’t make a difference on the G

[green marsh]

The problem is that both have only 16MB cache, so it would make no difference in LLM use. 3700x Vs 5700g is literally twice the t/s with the specific model in favour of 3700x

So no point switching from 5700g to 5700

[fleet marsh]

can i update the bios on this without the cpu ? i have a 9600x. and im looking to get this. https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B650-Warranty-EZ-Latch-Motherboard/dp/B0BH7GTY9C

[burnt socket]

too lazy to check, as long as there is q-flash then it supports it

[fleet marsh]

i asked here, hows that make me lazy. i took the time to type it out lol.

[burnt socket]

sigh

at this point just use ai

but i feel like helping people today so

[burnt socket]

yes, q-flash plus is supported

[sharp heart]

joined the oled gang

i thought the glossy coating was actually fine, i can see myself a bit with a full black screen but its alright, then i realised there was plastic on the screen and after removing it, it went SO BLACK, i cant even see myself

and so crispy ahhhhhhh

[pure garnet]

there’s like a 60% chance you won’t have to update the bios anyway, but yes all am5 boards mandate flashback support

[sharp heart]

for the 0 people asking, oled heavy clears mini-led

[burnt socket]

can you donate money for me to get an oled

[brisk jolt]

oled clears everything

[pure garnet]

microled will save us

[sharp heart]

i have 50 cents to my name now, surviving off pure photosynthesis

[sharp heart]

when i got my miniled, i was like yeaahhh i think this is close enough and boy it is NOT EVEN CLOSE

the image is so fweaking crispy too, trueblack glossy vs matte

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/exusiai-apple-exusiai-arknights-arknights-exusiai-arknights-exu-gif-6352823812957593457

[burnt socket]

still worth it over ips

[sharp heart]

well yuh

i couldve gotten the cheapest oled for 360€ ish, but i thought okay let me splurge a little bit and went for the xg27aqdmgr

it is on a fat sale right now for me

[green marsh]

see button at back => yes

[brisk jolt]

REFF
DO SOMETHING

[cosmic gazelle]

bowieknife99 moment

[sharp heart]

i zoomed in to check if that was BowieKnife99 lol

[cosmic gazelle]

i had an epiphany last night

[thorny breach]

hello everyone

[cosmic gazelle]

i don’t have to use the 4790k for the minecraft server i can just give it to my gf for the nas

and then use the far more efficient 2400g for the server

[minor herald]

its ass

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s a 5500 with 2 extra cores

[minor herald]

correct

[cosmic gazelle]

finally got something stable goin

[dusk jacinth]

Hello i currently have a 7 5700 32gb of ram and a B550 mobo i want to upgrade my cpu i whould like to stay on am4 and i want one that is good at gaming and at code conpiling and productivity i whould also like pcie gen 4 for under R10000 ($592.79) and a new coole in that price range most cpus are like 30% more here if not even more anny segetions

[green marsh]

wait for release of 5800X3D 10 year anniversary edition. There are really no other options, unless you buy used CPUs

[dusk jacinth]

I dont need anything to crazy and i can get the 5800x3D but idk i was thinking of a 5950x

[green marsh]

the point was that i have a 5700G in my server, but with CPU offloading the 16MB cache in it murders the performance. What is 20t/s token generation on 1080 Ti + 3900X goes down to 9-10t/s token generation on 1080 Ti + 5700G. I guess the only option i got is the single used 5950x for 240 euros 😄

[green marsh]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/ryzen-7-5800x3d-am4-10th-anniversary-edition-surfaces-online-for-usd310-return-of-iconic-gaming-cpu-for-budget-builders-seems-imminent

$310 at indian retailer for preorder

[wraith steeple]

Absolute insanity

[dusk jacinth]

The thats not bad ill check it out is it good for productivity like code conpiling and stuff

[wraith steeple]

Given the state of the market, I get it but fuuuuck

[green marsh]

unsure about your conversion tho. you write R 10 000 is $600?

meanwhile ₹30,000.00 is $310 ?

[dusk jacinth]

Ok ill check that out thx

[cosmic gazelle]

hmm

[green marsh]

but realistically anything with X in name will be a boost compared to 5700. 5700 has 16MB cache, 5700X has 32MB cache. Literally what i talked about with LLMs, the cache murders certain usages

[cosmic gazelle]

even on crappy micron memory you can just set trcdwr to like negative a billion and it still works

[minor herald]

🔥

[cosmic gazelle]

i wouldn't really call it a boost it's just an entirely different cpu

[green marsh]

boost in his and my usage i mean

[dusk jacinth]

ok ill definitly check that out

[wraith steeple]

https://youtu.be/WS596GbQfzk?si=V7uIYHYYrcMxtT8i
Every other game on Vibra 16: works perfectly fine
Jill of the Jungle: Peter_Eats_Rice_Cake.exe

[green marsh]

for MoE LLM models, using the 5700G instead of 3900X is literally halving the t/s

[cosmic gazelle]

is AMD universally better here? What about using like a 10700k or something?

10700k and 3900x are approximately the same money on the used market

[wise bear]

e

[wraith steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-hell-gif-18853369

[cosmic gazelle]

dude my trcdwr went from 38 to 8 and appears stable

bummer than it doesn't do anything but raise benchmark scores

[wise bear]

It's been 40 minutes

come ON

[wise bear]

but that's doing something

[cosmic gazelle]

touche

[naive holly]

https://tenor.com/view/ela-desce-ela-sobe-ela-desce-ela-sobe-cr7-cristiano-ronaldo-gif-3046955393901085182

[cosmic gazelle]

more so, it doesn't do anything that could actually affect the performance of my system

[pure garnet]

none of this but trefi and trfc realistically do

[cosmic gazelle]

shhhhh

[cosmic gazelle]

realistically decreasing all of my subtimings by like 30% relative to xmp has GOT to have some benefit

[pure garnet]

the x3d is the plug and play sku 👍

[cosmic gazelle]

you're so mean to me

oh hey 24 trcdrd booted, ready for it to crash in 5 minutes

[cosmic gazelle]

hey says the guy who has banged his head against the wall and literally bought a new motherboard to run 8k on his

[pure garnet]

i still get the hobby i just am aware it’s pointless

[cosmic gazelle]

lmao

[pure garnet]

👍

[cosmic gazelle]

but if i placebo effect myself into thinking i'm getting better framerates then it's still an improvement in my overall experience

and that's what we're missing here i think

[cosmic gazelle]

i've decided i'm giving my gf the 4790k setup for the nas (which rip the ud5h but whatever), using the 2400g as my minecraft server, and using the 5500 setup as my htpc

which means i will be able to actually measure whether going from 3000 to like 4800 or whatever affects gaming performance in any meaningful way on a low cache chip like that

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/exusiai-apple-exusiai-arknights-arknights-exusiai-arknights-exu-gif-6352823812957593457

[cosmic gazelle]

my current primaries are 26-8-24-26

which i understand is not that unusual but i hate it

[wise bear]

I was about to be very upset about only 3 installed dimms until i zoomed

and for about 5 seconds i was like "WHERE IS A2"

[pure garnet]

both of my chipset nvme are on that card so i have to use it

[wise bear]

and then i noticed the dimm .2

[wraith steeple]

I should build a NAS for my daily systems and a server for my retro builds at some point

[cosmic gazelle]

do i make my first reddit post in like 5 years to share the performance of this 4400 tune once i finish it

and get verbally berated by countless neckbeards who just like hating shit

[pure garnet]

you should see the egos of people on overclock.net sometimes

[cosmic gazelle]

btw should i change my refresh mode

i have no idea what that does

[pure garnet]

normal is trfc1 only, fgr is slow as hell because it only does per bank, mixed uses a combination of both

mixed is the default now because normal is a security “vulnerability” because rowhammer attacks work on it

[cosmic gazelle]

i wonder if it depends on what ic you're using because micron d5 doesn't go lower than 768 rfc

so i would assume normal is faster

[pure garnet]

mixed is slightly faster

normal locks the whole stick to refresh, pb is per bank

[cosmic gazelle]

would it affect stability at all or is it just a config option

cuz it wouldn't hurt to test it

[pure garnet]

you have to retest since it’s 2 refresh timings

i don’t know micron but like 544/340 is what i ran 6400 on h24m iirc

[cosmic gazelle]

people say that it improves performance if your rfc2 is lower and mine is way lower by default

[pure garnet]

pb can go lower than rfc2, usually about half

[cosmic gazelle]

f it we'll do it live

i sure love how my keyboard doesn't actually connect before post half the fucking time and i have to restart multiple times to enter bios

[wraith steeple]

Especially the latter. Burning discs/making floppy discs for drivers and such had been a tiring process lately if I'm being honest

[cosmic gazelle]

as someone born in 2003 who has no interest whatsoever in touching anything older than i am, you go king

@pure garnet my aida results are already significantly better than this guy's so i guess i'm just min maxing at this point

zentimings doesn't report that my refresh mode actually changed and this stupid ass bios just decides not to change settings half the time so i'll probably just leave it alone

[thorny breach]

so people with aio's (me) just wait for it to completely ruin my system?

[cosmic gazelle]

?

[thorny breach]

you know like the tubes failing

is it bad that i have 2 intake fans and 4 outtake?

[wise bear]

what

EPDM doesn't "fail"

[thorny breach]

not even the connecting parts where it connects to the pump and the board where u put ur fans on?

[arctic bronze]

What

[fringe vigil]

Vaffanculo y tu

[cosmic gazelle]

i’ve been using a crappy gen 7 asetek for 5 years and abused the shit out of it and it still works reasonably well

[pure garnet]

if you take scissors to it maybe

[cosmic gazelle]

yoko no one told me people just post their aida keys on reddit 😭

[arctic bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-3-hour-mute-mute-sukuna-mute-gif-10662361727476198590

[thorny breach]

cool, i love learning new stuff

[pure garnet]

my apex came with an aida license actually

[thorny breach]

so um when i built my pc, i ordered the parts and put them together almost myself i spent days thinking about what parts to order and do yall think that the ryzen 5 5600 rx 6600 combo is still good for modern day gaming?

[cosmic gazelle]

aida literally just goes "you aren't using a real key!"

and then lets you use it as normal

[cosmic gazelle]

wouldn't buy a card that no longer receives driver updates

unless they changed that

[thorny breach]

26.5.2 released on 05.12

[cosmic gazelle]

AMD has not completely stopped driver support for RDNA 2. However, the RX 5000 and 6000 series (RDNA 1 & 2) were moved to a "maintenance" branch. This means they no longer receive dedicated day-zero performance optimizations for new games, but they still receive critical security and bug-fix updates.

yeah fuck that buy nvidia

[thorny breach]

theres a reason why its and all amd setup

[cosmic gazelle]

and that reason is you like shitty drivers and worse feature sets?

[thorny breach]

wrong

its poverty

[cosmic gazelle]

used market prices are like the same dude

[thorny breach]

i dont buy stuff used

[cosmic gazelle]

"i'm poor" "i don't buy stuff used"

[slim pebble]

Worst case, eventually (like 8 years in?) your pump will start to fail and your PC will thermal throttle and shut down. At that point you replace it and you’re fine.

[thorny breach]

yeah cus you can trust no one in this country man

i tried to build a pc with used parts

[south shuttle]

maybe he's affraid of the risk

[thorny breach]

guess how that went

[south shuttle]

you need to ask them to bring the part to you and test them

it's the cheapest way imo to get parts

and second safest after retail

[cosmic gazelle]

and buying a 2 generation old card new is basically getting scammed in its own right

considering what the prices are for that card new

[south shuttle]

have you seen africa

they flash non radeon and non nvidia cards to make them appear like they're from them

[cosmic gazelle]

i bless the rains down in africa

my ram does 26-8-24-24 which is pretty cool

kinda lame that tcl won't do 24 tho

first ddr5 IC of all time that has a lower rcdrd than tcl

[south shuttle]

salvage parts from like laptops, old motherboards with igpus, etc. put them on a x16 board and flash them to appear like amd

[sharp heart]

me reading this "and buying a 2 generation old card" yea probably a good idea

"new" WAT WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THIS

[cosmic gazelle]

floppa and i were talking about something similar last night where i'm convinced a guy on reddit got sold a 4500 reflashed to show up as a 5500

because 4500 is theoretically a cheaper cpu

[south shuttle]

the poorer the country the more creative it gets sometimes

with scams

[thorny breach]

real

[cosmic gazelle]

dude's IHS delidded itself on his cooler

which makes me think it had been previously removed and swapped out

[south shuttle]

good thing i don't buy am4 cpus

only am5 from random places

[cosmic gazelle]

we started discussing it because there's zero record of any ryzen 5 5500 batch ever being made with thermal paste

yet this guy's had thermal paste on the die which makes no sense

and i bought a 5500 to memory oc on

[south shuttle]

maybe a pattern with cheaper cpus

[charred osprey]

lmaoo

[south shuttle]

7500f doesn't have thermal paste but 7400f does

they're almost the same cpu minus 100 numbers and the ihs is lil higher on the 7400f

[cosmic gazelle]

well the 4500 is known to use thermal paste tho

and its die looks the same apparently

[south shuttle]

does his 5500 score better than a 4500 right?

[cosmic gazelle]

there's like no info in the post

guy isn't a benchmarker

[south shuttle]

...

[cosmic gazelle]

didn't even show his IHS so it could have just been a typo lmao

[south shuttle]

a cinebench would do

[south shuttle]

i'd watch for misinformation ngl

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean it kinda just seemed like a "oh shit my ihs came off" post i doubt this guy's trying to spread misinfo

get warshipped

[south shuttle]

aaa

[south shuttle]

i mean with 7400f there were bunch of redditors spreading that all 7400f throttle or that if you get one it's going to throttle

[cosmic gazelle]

but yeah if my regular dual tower cooler can't fully oc the 5500 then i'll start suspecting they started using thermal paste

but if it's fine then it won't matter

[south shuttle]

not true, the first post of 7400f either had a bad batch of 7400f or he did something wrong

[thorny breach]

is it bad that someones using ai to answer my questions in tech support?

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah lol

AI is only useful as a tool in tech support if you already know what you're doing

[thorny breach]

its just some monitor color settings

[cosmic gazelle]

oh i mean

that's probably fine what's the worst that could happen

[south shuttle]

the paste doesn't introduce that much thermal resistance as it's a thin layer

[thorny breach]

true cus i cant even see colors properly 😭

[south shuttle]

only concern would be longevity

[cosmic gazelle]

you'd be surprised, delidding a 4790k and replacing the paste with liquid metal reduces temps by 15c

[south shuttle]

or well if you care about 2-3c higher temps with paste vs soldered

[south shuttle]

is the paste old?

15c doesn't sound normal, or the paste was bad

[cosmic gazelle]

people were doing that when it was new

paste has always been a shitty thermal conductor between the die and ihs

[south shuttle]

damn 15c? that must've been a bad paste

[south shuttle]

a mediocre paste would introduce a decent amount more of thermal resistance but it shouldn't be 15c unless it's a really bad paste

[cosmic gazelle]

there's a reason manufacturers almost universally use solder now and it isn't that they really don't want you to delid lol

[south shuttle]

the ihs is also a poor conductor of heat

it's not a vapor chamber, just nickel plated copper

[south shuttle]

longevity

[thorny breach]

i wish jawa.gg could ship to europe

[south shuttle]

or if the gap is large

not sure what quality the paste in 4th gen was used and gap

[cosmic gazelle]

what is the appeal of jawa? just seems like ebay with more hoops to jump through for buyer protection and worse prices

[neat basin]

could someone help me abt smth rq

[south shuttle]

but my 7400f and 7500f don't perform too far from each other, the temp difference is within low-mid single digits

although the ihs is indeed thicker which

[cosmic gazelle]

this can be somewhat of an illusion sometimes because you start to hit a wall at a certain level of heat output that the solder doesn't experience

[south shuttle]

it means the paste doesn't add that much thermal resistance

when the ihs is that thick

[cosmic gazelle]

for example i replaced the stock thermal paste on my 4790k with my own and saw roughly 80c with 130w power draw, and instant spike to 100c with 170w

which would imply the paste just couldn't carry the heat fast enough

if i had used LM it would have been fine

[south shuttle]

yeah sounds like a bad paste