tech-chat-2

[frail beacon]

I bought my laptop for $980
I'll have to spend 38% of that just to double my RAM

But yes this is on the lower end though. Till last week the minimum price for 16GB DDR5 RAM I was seeing was $208. It's 187 now. Maybe that's coz I am in Delhi right now and not in a smaller town this week. Some sellers here might be selling it for cheap compared to other places

[mossy yarrow]

I see

[analog scroll]

2x8gb of Thermaltake Toughram RGB 3200MHZ DDR4 costed me $60CAD used 😎

I be chillin

[mossy yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-scared-nervous-big-eyes-sullivan-gif-17471458

Need to go to Kansas...

[frail beacon]

Invest $400 in Rockstar
Wait for GTA 6 to hit pre-orders

PROFITTT

-# This is not financial advice

[south shuttle]

the cpu's "free" basicly

average mc bundle

[pure garnet]

unattractive asrock board with okay cpu and a stick of ram 🔥🔥🔥

[pallid marsh]

https://youtu.be/Krlram6cTJE whaaaaat

[turbid locust]

@pure garnet I bought diabolically too thick thermal pads so I have to wait for thinner to come in now lmfao

[pure garnet]

oh rip

[turbid locust]

I swore I ordered 2mm but apparently I bought 4mm

I did order them while drunk at 3am so like probably my fault

[brisk jolt]

now do it again

[arctic bronze]

Ram isnt cheap in general so good luck lol

[arctic bronze]

Santa a real one for that

Killing 2 stones with 1 bird

[hot talon]

What is this cable, and where does it go? (Dont mind the horrendous cable management in the back, thats how my case came.)

[pure garnet]

it’s a usb c header

[hot talon]

Ohhhhh

Ty

[teal orbit]

you guys ever get a second sag bracket to hold up the psu shroud which is bearing the weight of your entire gpu through the sag bracket

[hot talon]

Just to confirm, which one does the cpu fan plug into, im kinda dum

[mossy yarrow]

Zotac 1660s in 2026

[mossy yarrow]

I believe it's the top header

[spiral quarry]

cpu_fan

[hot talon]

Is that the top black one?

[teal orbit]

technically you can choose whatever in the bios but the top one is labeled CPU_FAN

[spiral quarry]

top one next to the 4 pin argb white header

[hot talon]

Ok ty

[frank cypress]

if the case closes

then the cables are managed

🫡

[frank cypress]

though, some bioses may bitch if nothing is plugged into cpu_fan

you can usually disable that but i just plug it in there because it's annoying

[low sorrel]

why you shit on p12 max

they so slient

if i limit them to a normal rpm

[frank cypress]

the problem isn't the noise level

it's the noise itself, they sound horrible

[teal orbit]

do the p12 maxes have the same humming/resonant issue that my p12 pst's have

[low sorrel]

I don't hear anything

[frank cypress]

also they straight up chopped off the tip of my fingernail before

[teal orbit]

at specific frequencies they start making some sort of bearing noise or something

[frank cypress]

iirc it was way worse

they had a very particular but annoying sound i remember

[low sorrel]

oh yeah

I just avoid that rpm range

[frank cypress]

idk, i wouldn't buy them again

[teal orbit]

i should probably buy some noctua fans someday

[frank cypress]

but they are admittedly very cheap

[frank cypress]

yeah im just spoiled by my a12x25s

[low sorrel]

I think i would just buy normal p12s

[frank cypress]

i remember normal p12s being fine

though im considering picking up some silent wings 4 for my define r5

than,, or the tl-c14c

cause it's cheap and pwm

the fractal fans i have in the define r5 now are DC :/

[low sorrel]

I have the rgb 120mm varient of that because it was cheaper then the non rgb one lol

it's a fan

[frank cypress]

i actually kinda care about that

if it's not that much more i'll pay to not have RGB

oh rgb is cheaper

by $2 so i don't care

[low sorrel]

just

don't plug in the rgb cable

[frank cypress]

for $2 more i'll just buy the non RGB

[hot talon]

This is lowk my first actual build is this front looking okay?

I had some am4 shit laying around and im not done

[mossy yarrow]

Lookin goood

[frank cypress]

sure

well, i mean you might want to plug the other stick of ram in, if you have that

[low sorrel]

oh i though that was a modern platform for a second

[hot talon]

Sadly not

[frank cypress]

single channel ram isn't very ideal

fair enough

[hot talon]

Dont have a second stick

Im not even sure if these parts all work

[frank cypress]

well you'll find out soon

what's the cpu?

[hot talon]

Is there anything else that needs to be plugged in for it to boot and post? Also its a ryzen 5 2600

[frank cypress]

yes

a gpu, so you can display out

[hot talon]

Okay which pcie slot do i use?

[frank cypress]

top

[teal orbit]

the second one, the wide one with metal reinforcement around it

[hot talon]

Will it fit there?

[frank cypress]

it should

the one that bbaovanc said

[hot talon]

I have this gpu im not 100% sure what it is

[frank cypress]

meh

as long as it displays

probably some radeon amd or ati card given that it's XFX

[low sorrel]

470/570/580/480

I have that card generation

[pallid marsh]

i dont think its a gtx 480

[teal orbit]

the sata hot plug support works on my motherboard which is nice

[hot talon]

It says rx570 on the back and 8gb

Is that good

[teal orbit]

i mean it should work

[frank cypress]

it's good enough to get the pc working

🤷

[low sorrel]

it's a gpu

[analog scroll]

it functions decent

[hot talon]

Good for the 0$ i spent on it,

[pallid marsh]

9 years ago it was

[hot talon]

I was just told that it probably was the psu that was failing so i bought a psu and a case

[analog scroll]

my RX 560 can run games impressively well at medium settings so a much beefier card (the 570) should do well for slightly older games)

[pallid marsh]

not all of us play at 768p

some of us play at chad 480i

[hot talon]

Do i need to put my usb-c header in ever?

[frank cypress]

i mean... if you want to use USB-C on your front panel, then yeah?

[hot talon]

Okay my gpu is plugged in now

[frank cypress]

eh?

put it in the top x16 slot

[hot talon]

I didnt think itd fit

Can try tho

[green marsh]

it's just me or you didn't screw the motherboard in ?

i can see only one screw in the whole picture

two more on previous picture

you need to put in all 9, or at least 6, but ideally all.

[hot talon]

I put in 3, didnt think itd be an issue

[green marsh]

it won't be an issue for now, but it distributes the load. Remember, everything you put on the board pulls it downwards

[hot talon]

After i get the other ones in, can i plug it in?

[green marsh]

i would still move the GPU to the top PCIe slot

[hot talon]

I did

My uhh power button isnt working

My motherboard led works but i press the power button and nothing happens

Looks like this

[green marsh]

yes. If the length of the PCIe power cable allows it, plug the other plug into the GPU instead of the pigtail you have now. Also you might want to route the cable through the back like you did with the 24-pin.

[hot talon]

Its still no boot

[hot talon]

The pigtail one on the cpu is the only one i could reach, is tbat ok?

[green marsh]

?

i talk about this

[hot talon]

Yes yes i fixed that one my psu has on for my cpu cable aswell

But my only question is why nothing is working

[green marsh]

when screwing in the board, did you use standoffs ?

[hot talon]

The things poking out that i could put the screws in? I put it in thoses

Idk my io shield matched up perfectly if that means anything

Should i put my ram in a different slot or something?

[vestal granite]

xfx rx 570 black edition

oh u said

[green marsh]

i/o shield is irrelevant. Make sure the standoffs you put in are where the holes of the board are, and none are anywhere else (they could short the board).

Als you could remove the front panel header cable and short the power plug pins with something conductive (screwdriver?), this way ruling out broken power button or front panel cable. It should be the 3rd and 4th pin in top row (as the label bellow it says)

[pallid marsh]

8gb

[frank cypress]

ARGH

my windows 11 key didn't transfer to this pc

[vestal granite]

these shopuld line up with screw holes in the case

[hot talon]

The ones on the right dont but all the others do

[vestal granite]

thats probably fine, screw in the ones that do line up

[hot talon]

I did

[vestal granite]

splendid

[hot talon]

I just dont understand why its not working, could it potentially be my mobo being damaged?

Cuz i press the power button and nothing happend

Or maybe the cpu?

[vestal granite]

which light is on

[hot talon]

None

[vestal granite]

wheres ur monitor plugged in

on io shield part?

[hot talon]

Not

[vestal granite]

so u hit power button, lights turn on, then whats the problem

[green marsh]

that is why i said remove the header cable and short the power button pins on the board - you would rule out a bad front panel header. And it could be anything - from not fully plugged in cables to the board, to the not connected cables on PSU side, to something shorting, bad CPU, bad board, dead CMOS battery, broken front panel header cable and so on

[hot talon]

I turn on the psu and then the mobo led thing turns on, i press tge piwer button does nothing

[hot talon]

Its one of the last 3

More than likely, cuz guy who gave me all the main parts (not case or psu) for free mentioned potential damage there

[vestal granite]

how about holding the power button

[green marsh]

again, try the screwdriver method and later recheck the power cables.... https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/aygswl/b450f_rig_wont_power_up/
literally the same symptoms:

Suspected power cable was loose. Plugged it hard in and double-checked.

Now runs and keeps running when I do the screwdriver start.
Dude had issues after that, but the no-power sounds like something is not plugged in fully

[hot talon]

I heard things click when i plugged them in each time

[vestal granite]

yeah no debug LEDs were on so it just aint even trying to boot even though it has power 99% chance parandroid is correct.

[green marsh]

take good photos of the connectors then

[hot talon]

Can i dm u abt this tmmr perchance? Im pretty tired now as its 11pm

[vestal granite]

takes 2 seconds to boot the PC with a screwdriver and that will rule out the front panel connector

[green marsh]

just post it here, no need to DM.

[hot talon]

I also closed up pc for the night-

[vestal granite]

ok

[mild sentinel]

looks..... interesting

[hot talon]

Ill @ u here in the morning okay?

Also id like to ask is there ANYTHING that needs to be plugged in that i dont have to boot?

[frank cypress]

oh hell yeah

[green marsh]

all you need to boot is the 4 or 8-pin power to the CPU, 24-pin to the board, CPU in the board, RAM in the board and that's it (well, the power to the PSU is obvious). All others are optional for powering up the board, even the GPU

[frank cypress]

transferred my key over

to the guy who gave me the free key here you're my absolute goat

[hot talon]

Okay, so its either something isnt plugged in right (which COULD be the thing) but if not its like cpu damaged or mobo damage?

Cuz my psu is brand new

[green marsh]

it can always be a CPU or mobo damage, but we can't find out that from here

[hot talon]

There would be no way to tell?

[green marsh]

from our side, no. Normally one debugs such issues with replacement components, which you don't have 🤷‍♂️

[hot talon]

Also if i were to do that thing with the circular battery where i take out and hold power button for like a minute, would it do anythinf?

[green marsh]

to clear CMOS you just disconnect power and short the pins on the motherboard to clear CMOS. Also you can make sure it is not a dead CMOS battery by replacing it with a brand new CR2032 battery, just to be safe

[hot talon]

Ill try and clear it, but i dont think i have an extra

I can look tmmr

[green marsh]

you can buy a CR2032 at literally any electronics store or supermarket

[hot talon]

Oh okay (sorry im dum)

[low sorrel]

@turbid locust can you believe that I'm still up rr

[green marsh]

i mean shorting the power pins manually and replacing the CMOS battery are free or very cheap things to try first

[low sorrel]

also im done with valorant for the decade

[hot talon]

Ill try taking out the old one later and then holding the thing for a while first

If not ill look for a battery in my house, if not ill go get one

[low sorrel]

Also I am infact CPU bound in valorant

[low sorrel]

@frank cypress how the hell do you plug in the front panel io

[green marsh]

your average powershell command 😄

[karmic folio]

[brisk jolt]

remove magusmagentus bla bla
bla bla

https://tenor.com/view/femme-soule-pukey-goddess-shot-trick-drunken-goddess-reflux-gif-12181851530391189499

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-launches-retro-styled-rog-crosshair-2006-x870e-motherboard-for-rogs-20th-anniversary @shell void it does in fact slap

[shell void]

holy fricking moly that’s heat

oh my god it’s based on the dark hero too

new best am5 board

[steel stream]

looks sweet

[devout ridge]

i love it

[shell void]

lol the display is OLED

[devout ridge]

Oh my fucking god

They fr just got bored and said "why not"

[wraith steeple]

I would unironically buy this

[south shuttle]

is it?

[devout ridge]

If i was doing an ATX build, i actually would very much consider that board

[south shuttle]

i always ask because some manufacturers mislabel tft lcds as oled

especially on keyboards

[devout ridge]

who cares, it's a motherboard display

[south shuttle]

i love the coppah

[steel stream]

I can't add any more to my collection

[south shuttle]

cop

[devout ridge]

i kinda wish the blue wasn't blue honestly

that is the only thing i don't love

replace the blue with copper coloring and i'd cop

[south shuttle]

i’d love a cooler made from silver fins

well, maybe not rn because silver is $$$

[devout ridge]

Ask tiffany's to make you a solid silver heatsink

they'd do it for 100kusd

[shell void]

no

[devout ridge]

i have a feeling someone somewhere has a solid silver heatsink

[south shuttle]

ngl i regret not buying the 1kg silver bar back a while ago for 1k

shit’s 2.2k now

[devout ridge]

i regret not buying bitcoin when i was a child

[shell void]

is this going to be a mass produced $700 board, or something that sells like 500 units at $1500?

[south shuttle]

yeah when you need some compact cooling silver is the best

[devout ridge]

Gold would actually be best, but who has money for that

[steel stream]

I should have bought a house in 08 when I was 4

[devout ridge]

EXACTLY

[south shuttle]

gold is less conductive

it just doesn’t tarnish

well depending on circumstances might be better than silver or copper

[devout ridge]

Oh yeah, silver is better

[south shuttle]

but you can also make alloys and layers like gold plated silver

[devout ridge]

apparently diamond is more than twice as thermally conductive than even silver, so now we need a diamond heatsink

[south shuttle]

i forgot which way they grow diamonds

but the direction matters

[devout ridge]

Yeah

Boron arsenide is apparently actually being explored as it's a semiconductor

So if you made a die out of it, it would be really thermally performant

[south shuttle]

interesting

[devout ridge]

Still prohibitively expensive right now, and there's nothing actually technologically impressive being made with it, but it's a fairly new idea

Only small issue, is it's made of arsenic

[south shuttle]

boron arsenide must be yummy

[devout ridge]

Boron Arsenide is also toxic in and of itself

[south shuttle]

yeah and the waste products

when you make it and stuff out of it

[devout ridge]

Likely will be limited to extremely high end electronics where cooling efficiency really matters

Like electronics in space

[shell void]

@topaz veldt i hope you’re ready to buy another motherboard

[devout ridge]

Cooling electronics in space is rather difficult

[devout ridge]

dual 10g networking on a consumer board when

but also, HOLY FUCK, that IO is stacked

[shell void]

we have that

[devout ridge]

Show

[shell void]

gigabyte puts dual 10Gb on their higher end boards

[devout ridge]

Oh cool

Next time i feel like spending a mortgage payment on a server, i'll buy one

[shell void]

for example

[south shuttle]

check out b650 livemixer

that $150-200 board had 14 usb ports total

[devout ridge]

25g networking on consumer boards when

[south shuttle]

the back of the mb is the prettiest i’ve seen

just remove all the rog stuff

[devout ridge]

i want an AM5 board where they omit all the USB IO (save for like 2 USB 2.0) and full send with balls to the walls networking

[south shuttle]

and it’s perfect

[devout ridge]

give me dual 40g and use all the bandwidth that would have gone to USB

[shell void]

matx AM5 board with dual 25Gb

also mcio

[devout ridge]

can you actually send me that link?

[shell void]

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Enterprise/Server-Motherboard/MC13-LE3-rev-1x

gigabyte is based

[devout ridge]

530usd ain't even bad

Unironically would really consider that for an AM5 server

Granted i don't really have a desire for an AM5 server right now, but could be cool

[south shuttle]

rember you can also buy expansion cards if you have the slots available

10 or 25gbe

[devout ridge]

Yeah, but usually for an AM5 server i'd want a 1u or 2u, so i'd be limited with how many slots i have

Or i'd be limited to half height slots, which i don't love

[south shuttle]

kk just so you know it’s quite a bit cheaper

[devout ridge]

Oh i am very aware

you can get a 2x 25g nic for like 30-40usd

[south shuttle]

mellanox

[devout ridge]

add that onto a standard am5 mobo for like 100-150usd and you're chilling

[shell void]

having it built in is more based tho

plus management and properly tested ecc support

[devout ridge]

also orientation is more conducive for a server rack, both CPU and Ram orientation

[south shuttle]

although as a smol con if it breaks you can’t just swap it out easily

[devout ridge]

in 1u, traditional boards have the RAM blocking a lot of the airflow

[devout ridge]

if it breaks, i'm RMA'ing the board

[south shuttle]

what if it’s after warranty

[topaz veldt]

Hmm not sure on that

[devout ridge]

I'm shoving my head through a wall

[shell void]

COWARD

[devout ridge]

as you can tell, i have very healthy coping strategies

[brisk jolt]

we see you

[devout ridge]

Speaking of, what should i do with the non-functional R730xd that i have?

[brisk jolt]

the vision of regret is there

[devout ridge]

Throw it out a window?

[south shuttle]

yes ✅

i hope that wall isn’t made from bricks or concrete

[devout ridge]

Southern US, made of toothpicks, paper, and a hope and a prayer

I can dent my walls with a fingernail

[south shuttle]

just the mention of a tornado makes your walls rotten

[devout ridge]

Good thing i don't live in tornado alley

I do live where hurricanes are quite common though

[south shuttle]

i meant your wall attract tornadoes

[devout ridge]

I sure hope not

I need my walls to protect my server rack

i don't wanna lose my linux ISO's

[burnt socket]

my youtube ad not loading 😡

[devout ridge]

Youtube has ads?

haven't seen one in years

[shell void]

omw

[brisk jolt]

we’re waiting for you bro we’ve got a table for 6

[steel stream]

god damn

[brisk jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/live/ykB5jleVsAM?si=uQcaLK-lmX23infU 19 more hours

when I asked for a white 4 dimmer board i DID NOT ask for ANOTHER gigglebutt board

[topaz veldt]

😬

[shell void]

this is way less cool than 21 cent chicken

[topaz veldt]

look at all the $0.00

[steel stream]

the kids butter pasta was $35???

[topaz veldt]

YEEEEEEEP

Its that kind of place

[shell void]

they better be hand churning the butter in the prep kitchen

[topaz veldt]

but it came with dessert!

[steel stream]

bro I better be able to see the cow it came from

[steel stream]

yeah $0.00 creme brulee is nice

what did your kids think of the pasta

[topaz veldt]

well my daughter had the pasta, shes 4

[brisk jolt]

we might go for this tmr as well

[topaz veldt]

my son had filet mignon

[steel stream]

did she give gordon ramsay-esque feedback about it?

[steel stream]

little man knows what's up

[topaz veldt]

he loves steak

[slim pebble]

Nah, I’ll have to settle for this. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300519613976809533/1502831488318574672/C826C486-6A69-41B8-89F3-0BC1803C5E15.jpg?ex=6a0864a4&is=6a071324&hm=11329bb820c3c9359bd0850c727bdb8cee2c12d8a76c35217a72ca924b50a32a&

I’ll try to put it in this weekend, but work has been devouring any free weekend time lately.

[shell void]

supposedly this new board is just a colored version of the x870e dark hero

which is the best 2dpc atx board so that’s okay

[brisk jolt]

I think… I want the X870E-A neo but for the same price I could grab an apex

[topaz veldt]

Its interesting because all of the top tier ASUS boards lack BTF

So you can't do their Matrix GPU on the anniv. X870E hero board

[shell void]

i think there’s a normal x870e hero btf, but not the updated dark hero

i guess it’s not used commonly enough for them to bother

btf wouldn’t make sense for a modern retro style build anyway

[smoky orbit]

Anyone in need of a factory? https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DUvbpz_iS8U/?igsh=NG1tOW50ZnY3Ynpj

[whole coral]

Looks so freaking good

[civic reef]

I am

I will convert it into a 32nm foundry

And produce modern e-waste

[brisk jolt]

lite version of the sexy glacial

[shell void]

not quite buddy

[brisk jolt]

32 bit vs 64 bit glacial

meme gpu needs meme price

ts costing more than a lightning Z

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/thermal-grizzly-starts-selling-delidded-intel-core-ultra-7-270k-plus-with-warranty-for-525 oh wack

[fervent chasm]

$525?

[steel stream]

DerBauer also said he wouldn't be selling delidded ARL

[fervent chasm]

That’s a big markup no?

[steel stream]

ARL delid is tricky

[fervent chasm]

Aren’t there devices for delidding

[steel stream]

ARL is very easy to fuck up when delidding

[fervent chasm]

They just pop up the IHS

[steel stream]

the chiplet arch makes it very difficult

[brisk jolt]

my guy saw a 270k on amazon for 280

[fervent chasm]

They’re literally $280 on Amazon

[topaz veldt]

one does not "just pop off" the IHS on ARL

[fervent chasm]

I’m not saying that’s how it is for these, I just remember seeing the videos of the devices

[steel stream]

https://youtu.be/sAOa4nEHoHw

[fervent chasm]

I think they were even 3D printable

[brisk jolt]

my goat out here giving me a free drink

[steel stream]

ARL requires heating

it's a difficult process

[shell void]

not as bad of a price as usual

[steel stream]

yeah for a delidded ARL product with warranty I think it's fine

[fervent chasm]

Is the heating part the difficult part? Or did the guy in the video make it all seem easy

[shell void]

no part of it is really difficult, you just need to buy all of the tools and be patient

[fervent chasm]

Ok that’s what I thought

Because it does look simple in the video

I’d probably still mess it up

[shell void]

the most risky parts would be cleaning the die, and scraping the adhesive off of the substrate

cleaning the dies i suppose now

rip monolithic cpus

[slim pebble]

14900K is the last of an era. Goated

[fervent chasm]

Isn’t that what the 52c nvl will be? 2 monolithic dies

[shell void]

monolithic means that the entire cpu is one single chip, not a chiplet design

[fervent chasm]

I guess not monolithic since it’s not one

But it’s 2 big ones

[shell void]

intel’s “Compute Tiles” are the equivalent of amd’s “CCDs”

just cores and cache in a chiplet

[slim pebble]

52 core will be two compute chiplets, with BLLC chiplets and IO dies all separate. no?

[steel stream]

are the LPE their own tile?

[fervent chasm]

I think so

[random flame]

Both of which are referred to as multi-chip modules.

[fervent chasm]

I remember someone saying it’s 2 ( 8 + 16 ) + 4

[shell void]

they’re in the SOC tile

[shell void]

yeh that’s correct

all nova lake desktop cpus will have 4 LPE cores in the SOC

and then there are 4p8e and 8p16e compute tile designs that will be binned into various configs

[fervent chasm]

When they do stuff like 4p8e, is it just disabled cores?

[shell void]

the 4p8e tile is a separate design than the 8p16e tile, 4p8e is its maximally enabled config

[fervent chasm]

Ok because I remember reading sometimes that’s what was done

[shell void]

the 8p16e tile will have cores disabled to turn it into 8p12e and 6p12e configs

similar to how amd disables two cores in a CCD to make a ryzen 5

[brisk jolt]

just give me a bllc C390 NVL+ laptop config already

[fervent chasm]

I want a panther lake laptop so bad

I wanna play games with the iGPU

[shell void]

real

[fervent chasm]

Its no fun watching benchmarks

[brisk jolt]

32 Xe3p would be baller

[fervent chasm]

What is it now? 12? (For mobile)

[steel stream]

RZL will go up to 32 Xe

[brisk jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193840159358976/1481915275858415739/0AFC5196-3FC4-4100-B996-41EAF73ECCFD.gif

round of applause

[shell void]

idk how many Xe cores the Razor Lake Halo chip will have

i just assumed 24-32 because that makes sense in terms of die size

[steel stream]

jaykin said 32

[brisk jolt]

strix halo who?

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-razor-lake-ax-reportedly-has-16-or-32-xe3-graphics-cores

[fervent chasm]

Oh is it just a strix halo competitor?

[brisk jolt]

get me a igpu that will smoke the guy who shat on me with his 4070 laptop last year

im unhappy with this puny 780m

[fervent chasm]

Why can’t we have this kind of iGPU in desktop

No more dGPU

[shell void]

oh fire so my guess was right

[steel stream]

you might be able to buy mini pcs or smth with RZL

[steel stream]

I'm surprised you missed a tweet from the goat

[shell void]

we could but it’s too large for the normal consumer socket

12 Xe3p fits in desktop and there is a desktop sku for that coming

32 Xe3p is too large

[shell void]

i’m ngl i’ve been watching gameboy and pokemon videos for the past week

[fervent chasm]

Mobile chip better than desktop 🥀

[fervent chasm]

Yah, probably

I mean there’s always mini PCs with the new mobile chips

[shell void]

well yeah XD

it’s two compute tiles, a 5080 sized GPU, and the memory is on-package too

[fervent chasm]

Its soldered?

[shell void]

yeh

[brisk jolt]

now imagine the 32 xe3p beast somehow goes into a thin and light laptop

[shell void]

these halo skus are for ai bros

they want soldered shared memory

[fervent chasm]

Yah but what about RZL

[shell void]

yes razor lake halo

[fervent chasm]

Oh

Bruh

[shell void]

the memory has to be integrated

[fervent chasm]

Couldn’t they do the new weird dimms for mobile?

CAMM2

[shell void]

i think there are 128GB camm2 modules but they’re rare and expensive

that also takes up way more space

[fervent chasm]

Yah I guess

[shell void]

ai bros just want 192-512GB of soldered integrated memory in as small of a package as possible

[fervent chasm]

But I don’t want it for AI I just want an iGPU that contends with dGPU laptops and lasts on battery

[shell void]

they’re buying $5000-10000 mini PCs they don’t care if it’s easily repairable

[fervent chasm]

They’re surprisingly cheap, the best strix halo with like 128gb are only $3k

I expected them to be much higher

You can get them on eBay for like half that sometimes

[shell void]

iirc the max spec 512gb m3 ultra mac studio was $13000 pre tax XD

[fervent chasm]

There’s no resell market for the strix halo mini PCs

So they sell cheap

[shell void]

amd and intel have no plans to offer a competitor to ultra afaik

[fervent chasm]

I have been waiting for an X9 388H laptop on Amazon for months

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/google-exists-google-search-it-geekboy-geekboy-cz-gif-25933207

[shell void]

the 12 Xe3p config is perfect for that

[fervent chasm]

I mean there is now but it’s third party at $3k or something

[shell void]

it’s tuned for 25W

no need for 100-200W gaming laptops anymore with how good upscaling is

[fervent chasm]

Yah

I wonder where we will be though in a few years with all these ai frames and whatnot

I feel like it gives a reason for devs to not care about optimizations as much

[shell void]

i’m already really impressed by how decent 720p -> 2160p looks with DLSS 4.5 Preset L so it’ll be freaky to see how much improved it is by 2030

[fervent chasm]

We will forever be stuck on windows architecture also

There will never be another “new” os

I don’t think anyone exists who can dev that low level anymore lol

[steel stream]

is that ultra perf?

[shell void]

yeh

[steel stream]

I haven't messed with all the DLSS presets

[fervent chasm]

My buddy has been using DLSS for subnautica, it’s nice

[shell void]

it looks really solid on my 32” 4k monitor viewed from 32-36” away

[fervent chasm]

That + fg he gets good frames

[shell void]

the flaws in DLSS were a lot more obvious when using my C4 42

[fervent chasm]

From 60 to 100+

[fervent chasm]

Anything below DLAA looks ugly for some reason when he played subnautica

Like noticeably worse

[shell void]

it’s probably because subnautica 2 defaults to using dlss 3.5 cnn

that looks substantially worse than dlss 4.5

[fervent chasm]

Wait

[brisk jolt]

buy buy buy

[fervent chasm]

DLAA doesn’t upscale

he’s been running the native

lol

[frank zealot]

that is factually incorrect, plenty of people absolutely can do that

[shell void]

DLAA is native res rendering, but with nvidia antialiasing

instead of the default ue5 taa

[fervent chasm]

I should let him know to turn on quality then

[fervent chasm]

it was an exaggeration

[south shuttle]

they’re not profitable on latest reports

[fervent chasm]

but i still dont think we will ever see anything new, it will just keep being built on the current windows

man 2 hours of sleep is really getting to me

im hitting all the spelling mistakes today

[shell void]

we must return to coding games directly in assembly

[fervent chasm]

i was gonna say that earlier, i was thinking of that tycoon game

rollercoaster tycoon

ima see how much my cognitive skills decline in ow

actually i dont think it will matter much i main bastion lol

spray and pray

https://tenor.com/view/bastion-bastion-overwatch-bastion-dance-overwatch-bastion-getting-sturdy-gif-27407388

[shell void]

chat is this an optimal grocery haul?

[steel stream]

missing an LG G6 but yeah pretty good

[fervent chasm]

long glizzy

[steel stream]

that would be one crazy glizzy

[fervent chasm]

long and girthy 😩

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-the-rock-sus-the-rock-one-eye-the-rock-staring-rock-staring-gif-191071273825142096

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[fervent chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-kurt-angle-stare-stare-guy-meme-guy-staring-meme-bald-guy-meme-gif-15047706772155378501

there seems to be some cognitive loss

[shell void]

akn i always forget that you have a G5

i’m going to be coming to your abode to confiscate that

[steel stream]

just replace it with a $400 samsung crystal and that'll be fine

[fervent thicket]

can debloating my windows give me more ram memory ?
also how do i do that

[fervent chasm]

no it doesnt give you more, it can use less though

[fervent thicket]

yea that

how do i do that coz i dont wanna follow some crappy yt video and fk my pc up

[fervent chasm]

probably better to not do it if you dont know more about it

[pure garnet]

@shell void 8400 has now survived the cruncher vt3 overnight

[burnt socket]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-kurt-angle-stare-stare-guy-meme-guy-staring-meme-bald-guy-meme-gif-15047706772155378501

[shell void]

this is big news for the program

8400MT/s with 2100FCLK is a go

[pure garnet]

yeah

i may try 8600 at another time

[shell void]

isn’t that impossible to sync?

[wraith steeple]

Going to be selling some shit soon

[pure garnet]

should just be 2200 fclk

[shell void]

i don’t think there is 2150MHz FCLK

[arctic bronze]

Lol no

[pure garnet]

unless i’m wrong

[pure garnet]

i know msi offers increments of 50 so i think asus does too? could be wrong

[shell void]

8000 2000
8400 2100
8600 2150 (i don’t think this is an option)
8800 2200

[burnt socket]

you forgot something

[wraith steeple]

Mostly ram I have no use for

[pure garnet]

7800x3d still won’t do 8000 so i guess i just bricked that somehow

[steel stream]

get that bag

[wraith steeple]

I'm going to do some pricing to see what I can get out of them (most of what I have are DDR4)

Will also be local

[patent latch]

DDR4 still goes for a lot

[pure garnet]

it is not

1950 for 7800 is an option though for whatever reason

[fervent thicket]

i asked ai and it said removing pc cache can cause more ram load since everything will require more power to load its resources again..
is that true or what ?

[pure garnet]

if you’re asking ai just leave it alone

[fervent chasm]

bro is the thinker

[fervent thicket]

tell me please

[steel stream]

how much ram do you even have

[fervent thicket]

16

[steel stream]

you're not really going to be able to do a lot to "debloat" what I would recommend is just doing a fresh install, and having startup apps to a minimum

[civic reef]

What's the second set of numbers supposed to mean

[pure garnet]

fclk

[civic reef]

Oh

[pure garnet]

you get a latency advantage if you keep it synced with uclk in 2:1 mode

[analog scroll]

I guess today's job is the $15CAD laptop

cleaning it etc

and I've got a robotics teammate coming to pick up a NAS build

[hot talon]

@green marsh from yesterday, ive tried resetting my cmos just now and ive checked the stuff thats plugged in is there anything else i should try?

[pure garnet]

@brisk jolt this is your next board

[brisk jolt]

nice try

[shell void]

looks peak

[brisk jolt]

im not buying that shit bro

they didnt even do shit properly

[pure garnet]

io looks pretty solid

[frank zealot]

goddamn:
270K+ for 280 USD
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GMLJCBBM

[pure garnet]

aside from being 2dpc i don't see any compliants with this board

[wraith steeple]

The ram kits are definitely something that TC2 wouldn't want. Most are 64 gig kits of G.skilk Ripjaws.... Though the Ballistix Max 2x16 4000 CL18 kits I have are the most interesting ones I have ATM

[shell void]

bulbasaur is the correct choice btw

[brisk jolt]

this is an IO i can accept, I can see it being plausible if it was like 400 SGD max dawg

[pure garnet]

the non themed one is like 210 american so i can't imagine this would be a lot more

[brisk jolt]

i mean, this one at least has 5gbe compared to standard 2.5 gbe but I could only see myself grabbing one if the 2nd slot is at least x4

[pure garnet]

got an apex when i could've had the peak board instead

https://tenor.com/bP8Rx.gif

[brisk jolt]

this board isnt alluring at all tbh unless its 400 SGD compared to the standard already being at a bumfuck 430

also not sure if I wanna try dealing with a gigglebutt bios again

[sharp heart]

298€ in germany

[brisk jolt]

I couldnt fkin find my dude’s shitty b650 trefi setting like dude

[sharp heart]

wp intel

[burnt socket]

lonely hdmi

no dp alt?

[topaz veldt]

I just taught Dell how their docker deployment works

[frank zealot]

still pretty solid

[pure garnet]

it's b850 they don't burn 4 pcie lanes on a usb port nobody uses

[hot talon]

Also guys is there a way to check if a psu is working or not without a separate bench?

[wraith steeple]

[hot talon]

I wanna rule out that my new psu was doa and that my mobo has some form of issue

[steel stream]

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025085372-PSU-How-to-test-a-PSU-Power-Supply-Unit

[arctic bronze]

No

You need a little adapter thing for the big motherboard connector to test it

[green marsh]

as i said, try to short the power header pins without the front panel (to rule out case problem)

[green marsh]

video from the guy with annoying voice https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NQUYWGKJj7U

[south shuttle]

just to clear up things yes, if your psu doesn’t turn on like this it’s fried

but it doesn’t mean the psu’s fine

[green marsh]

his issue is that mobo RGB lights up when power is connected to PSU, but it doesn't power up when power button is pressed.

[south shuttle]

very cheap psus will happily power your pc even when they’re partially broken

[green marsh]

also you can try to remove the motherboard from the case to rule out any short caused by the case, just to be on safe side

[south shuttle]

y keep it up

i just meant generally

should’ve said that upfront

[green marsh]

anyway, AM4 stuff, 32GB RAM and RX580 4GB gone. Now what do i do with all the spare stuff that remains 😄 . 2x Define C, 1x other case, 4 various CPU coolers, 5 PSUs, 64GB DDR4-3200CL14... 😄

[south shuttle]

have they tried resetting cmos?

[green marsh]

#tech-chat-2 message

[south shuttle]

i’ve had a case when i poorly reset cmos, system refused to power whatsoever

[frank cypress]

hmm perhaps i was too harsh on the idea of owning an am5 cpu

[green marsh]

all the basic steps were mentioned

[south shuttle]

don’t know then

[south shuttle]

try booting without a gpu (only igpu) and a single stick of ram, reduce the amount of components

[cosmic gazelle]

well if it's free i guess i might as well try it

[south shuttle]

and check connectors if they’re right

[hot talon]

Intried the cardboard method but it didnt work

[south shuttle]

i’ve seen people plug 4+4 into a gpu

[hot talon]

I have new cmos batteries now

[south shuttle]

and it refused to power thankfully

[frank cypress]

a dead cmos wouldn't prevent booting as far as i'm aware

it would just prevent your bios settings from saving

[south shuttle]

poorly reset cmos can though

[cosmic gazelle]

how would you even find a 4+4 keyed for a gpu that's wild

[hot talon]

Mine are labelled from the psu and have "cpu" and "pcie

[celest wigeon]

@topaz veldt How much money have you made this year from your RAM hustle

Also Hi

[frank cypress]

wow it's been a while since i've seen that name

[south shuttle]

i was once lazy and didn’t short the header for more than few secs and i probably also did a poor bridge and the mb refused to power

[frank cypress]

👋

[celest wigeon]

Hi Ennui

[frank cypress]

huh interesting, don't think i've ever experienced that but i don't doubt that it's possible

[south shuttle]

it worked after clearing cmos again

[south shuttle]

i was suprised too

thought i had fried something after it refused to work despite unplugging the system from power and repowering

[hot talon]

Okay so its 3rd and 4th from the left top row right? Just to confirm

[steel stream]

iirc he has about 10-15K worth of dimms on him rn

[pure garnet]

some boards can have issues

[south shuttle]

i blamed the gpu because it was posting for too long and i was impatient so i reset cmos before it could post

[celest wigeon]

Wild bullshit jfc

[south shuttle]

after the poor cmos reset it didn’t even try to post, it behaved ded

[pure garnet]

so about 5 sticks

[steel stream]

yeah about there

[fervent chasm]

5 ECC ddr5 dimms yah

[fringe vigil]

Why’s there a guy next to me on treadmill and his breath stinks

[steel stream]

jorj stop looking in the mirror

[fervent chasm]

Ask him

[steel stream]

yup

[fringe vigil]

What mirror

[fervent chasm]

How you smell his breath from there

[south shuttle]

you force it in ofc

it’s not that hard

[hot talon]

Holy shit bro my paperclip does NOT wanna go in the thing

[south shuttle]

didn’t try it but with the amount of incidents i see yearly

[fervent chasm]

I do that

[south shuttle]

i began to have doubt it’s all that hard

[fervent chasm]

Or maybe it’s 6+2

[south shuttle]

prob also depends on the quality of your esp connectors

[south shuttle]

i thought you were joking

for gpu you onoy use 6+2

4+4 would fry the card if your gpu didn’t have protections

[fervent chasm]

I can’t remember which one I used

[hot talon]

Alright so the paperclip doesnt need to go deep at all to test right? I dont wanna damage my shjt

[fervent chasm]

For my 3070Ti

[south shuttle]

6+2 ofc , 4+4 wouldn’t work

if you would plug in 4+4 and it would work i’d lose it

[fervent chasm]

Into what

[south shuttle]

just make sure it’s bridged

properly

[fervent chasm]

Oh cmos jumper?

[south shuttle]

and that you bridge correct pins

[topaz veldt]

Iunno but hello

[fervent chasm]

Just use a screwdriver

[south shuttle]

no, psu

[hot talon]

The fan isnt spinning

[south shuttle]

btw some use coating that is non conductive

[topaz veldt]

My ram hustle is slowed by my time available i have like 200+ DIMMs to sell

[cosmic gazelle]

aw hell nah how my 30808 slower than a 4060 ti 💔

[hot talon]

Does that mean my psu was doa.

[fervent chasm]

Let me have a few I’ll help you sell

[south shuttle]

nowadays i prefer using metal housings from rj45 or usb a’s, cause i have them laying around

and i know they don’t have coating

because they’re supposted to ground

[fervent chasm]

I don’t have any metal housing

Wait what metal housing for rj45

All of mine are plastic

[south shuttle]

rt?

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

[fervent chasm]

Oh you mean the female port?

[cosmic gazelle]

1440p non rt extreme preset it's still slower than a 5060 ti

i'll be getting 80fps which is not horrible but also less than i was hoping for

[steel stream]

FH6 benchmarks?

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

[south shuttle]

btw fewgames have rt enabled by default and you cannot disable it and so that might count into raster

[cosmic gazelle]

i doubt it, forza's engine is like from the stone ages

[celest wigeon]

you should make an estimate

[brisk jolt]

my 5060ti 16gb wins ez

[brisk jolt]

more than $1

[fervent chasm]

Why does the 16GB 5060 exist

[cosmic gazelle]

the lead the 5090 has is kinda crazy honestly

[south shuttle]

my 3090 has more vroom than your 5060 tie 16000mb only

[cosmic gazelle]

the 8gb 60 ti gets like half the framerate in fh6 depending on preset

[brisk jolt]

i have 2000 more than that 3090 and it also has 8gb more

[steel stream]

what a great GPU

[cosmic gazelle]

at least i won't have to worry about not having a 3090 as the 3090 doesn't look any better really

[fervent chasm]

Why was the jump in raw performance so little from 4090 to 5090

3090 Ti to 4090 was quite large no?

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah

[south shuttle]

1970 more numbers? damn that’s huge :( 3090 is sadge

[steel stream]

5090 is essentially ada v2

[cosmic gazelle]

50 series was pretty mid for raster performance they just crutched on frame gen and shit

[hot talon]

Also is the psu fan quiet?

[brisk jolt]

The GPU doing 187 FPS on FH6 1440p Extreme Native

[steel stream]

6090 should be a good leap, brand new arch and new process node

[fervent chasm]

Yah in 5 years

[cosmic gazelle]

i hope they rename it to 6900 so that theres a card with 67

[fervent chasm]

6967

[south shuttle]

good leap in wallet draining as well

[fervent chasm]

Thats if they don’t pivot towards AI entirely

My reels have the autistic dating videos all over it now

[steel stream]

what?

[fervent chasm]

There’s a show where they put like autistic people together to date

And it’s all over my reels

[steel stream]

oh the love on the spectrum show

[fervent chasm]

Yah

[cosmic gazelle]

bro

i was actually enjoying subnautica 2 and then

NON RENDERED CUTSCENES

worst shit ever

[celest wigeon]

terrible show we should kill it

[fervent chasm]

Low FPS

[steel stream]

yeah I find it really odd

[cosmic gazelle]

@shell void this is honestly not performing as poorly as i had expected, i'm on 1440p high preset with dlss q

[fervent chasm]

What you on?

[cosmic gazelle]

3080

[fervent chasm]

My friend plays with 4070 Ti and gets like 110+ with fg

[steel stream]

I think the ultra settings have been crushing perf

[fervent chasm]

So I was wondering because it’s not that far off

He dips down to the 90s

[cosmic gazelle]

lemme check

[fervent chasm]

Oh he was on high settings

[steel stream]

oh and michael/guilty said something about weird GPU util

[fervent chasm]

I think the issue was also using DLSS DLAA instead of Quality

Since its native not upscale

[cosmic gazelle]

BLEGH

yeah i'm going back to high bruh

[shell void]

the sweetspot is everything maxed, but Shadows and Effects on High

[fervent chasm]

The 4070 Ti had like 97% utilization when he was playing

[shell void]

youll get pretty much the same framerate as having everything on High

[hot talon]

Bro, no matter what i do it just refuses to do the checking thing

[cosmic gazelle]

we'll see about that dinkelberg

[fervent chasm]

dinkelberg

[cosmic gazelle]

i still lose like 10% vs high preset

but i think it looks better

[shell void]

shadows and effects seem to have the largest performance impact

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean i got 50fps with those on epic and 70ish with them on high

so you would appear correct

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-snape-always-gif-24588965

[steel stream]

are you maybe running into vram issues? the coral changes colors completely

[shell void]

i still havent managed to make dlss override work in sub2

[steel stream]

nv profile inspector maybe?

[cosmic gazelle]

not even close to hitting vram

[peak dune]

do you guys know if there is a prgogram for faulty i9 13 and 14 gen because I thoght there was but idk

[steel stream]

weird, the coral just becomes gray

[cosmic gazelle]

what dat mean

[shell void]

the lighting has some problems

[steel stream]

the microcode blow up

[peak dune]

like a warranty thing for the faulty i9 13900k and 14900k

[shell void]

shadows are jagged and buggy, and you can see a difference in the ambient occlusion by just moving your camera around

sometimes colors change like you saw in his photos

[steel stream]

ok got it, I thought it was like a texture issue

[cosmic gazelle]

it's enough of an upgrade visually from BZ that i'm not that angry, and the og engine has enough jank that i can regrettably have a neutral stance about them using unreal slop engine 5

[hot talon]

@oblique plover are you still here? I did the paperclip and i can hear a very faint hum when i go RIGHT next to the psu

[peak dune]

do any of you guys know

[cosmic gazelle]

floppa has a 13ks i think

[steel stream]

wasn't subnautica UE3?

[shell void]

im ngl i think i prefer the clarity of below zero

[frank zealot]

yoooooo
That's a throwback design

[green marsh]

not spinning could be normal, but did the fan inside the PSU twitch at powerup ?

[shell void]

it's so pretty

[hot talon]

I cant see the inside thing

[frank zealot]

What're the chances it's under 600 bucks?

[green marsh]

remove the PSU from the case

[peak dune]

also how deos the tech support system work. are they mods or ppl jsut respond and give it a while. am I allowed to promote it(idk what to call it) in chats or is that rude

[cosmic gazelle]

i never really played it much, bz was in an absolutely unplayable state when i tried it and i refunded it and never piccked it up once it actually released

[hot talon]

Ok

[steel stream]

https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Additional-Warranty-Updates-on-Intel-Core-13th-14th-Gen-Desktop/m-p/1620853

[steel stream]

you go to #1027757333117415424 and wait for someone to respond

[frank zealot]

No mods just people.

If you start spamming links to your thread people are inevitably going to tell you to shut up

[peak dune]

i wasnt going to do that but i was goign say smthing like can you help every once and a while ig

not like a bot but ig just asking simialr questions or smthing

[green marsh]

sometimes i wonder about purchase decisions of some people

[steel stream]

that GPU is leaning hard

[peak dune]

WHAT THE

[hoary hatch]

Oh damn

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-clinton-zero-okay-ok-cool-gif-16822140

it's based on the X870E Dark Hero platform which is $700, and this is a special color edition

[green marsh]

24GB DDR4. So he has 16GB + 8GB of visually matching RAM

[hoary hatch]

God damn

[shell void]

i wouldnt be surprised if it's $1000

[green marsh]

or 8+8 of matching and random 8GB stick it seems

[frank zealot]

First thing I'm gonna say is you need to give a fuckton more detail than "a pretty powerful computer"

[fervent chasm]

Why

[peak dune]

okay mb

[hoary hatch]

I don't really care for the blue but damn that copper and black looks good

[hot talon]

It doesnt

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah bros just missing a stick lmao

guarantee you his system runs worse with the extra stick vs without it lol

[green marsh]

why 3x 8-pin tho ?

[hoary hatch]

Mmmm backplate

[green marsh]

then maybe the PSU is really dead 🤷‍♂️

[frank zealot]

there's only 2?

[green marsh]

one more next to 24-pin

[hot talon]

Id assume everything is okay to still be plugged in tho while i do or no?

[frank zealot]

ahhh, if someone wants to run 2x GPUs. Extra GPU Power

[hoary hatch]

270k+ $280 at Amazon
https://a.co/d/03Vd7UPR

[green marsh]

it's better to do the PSU test with everything else disconnected, cause you might have short elsewhere which stops the PSU from powering on

[steel stream]

buy another one

[green marsh]

damn, miners ahve a clearance once again 😄

[frank zealot]

It's a boutique bullshit tier of board, it's gonna support 8x8 PCIE Bifurcation. (Or it had better)

[peak dune]

i just dont think its a cpu gpu issue(maybe its an i9) so i wanted to emphasise that but the reason im asking is becuase I dont know so idk what i was thinking

[hot talon]

Fan still doesnt twitch

[green marsh]

then it could be the PSU dead, which could be ironically a good thing from all the options to have as dead component ?

[wise bear]

I want it in matx

[frank zealot]

your board is probably Z790

Z270 was 7th gen intel

[peak dune]

no its been working for 3 years before this

[hot talon]

Still sucks because its a brand new one i ordered off amazon

Can i get them to send me a new one?

[peak dune]

ik its correct becuase it was a kit lmao

[frank zealot]

you're entirely not correct, but have fun

[cosmic gazelle]

is the 270kp better at gaming than the 7800x3d? they're the same price at microcenter now

[peak dune]

i was going to build a pc but gpus shot up right then but corsair didnt update thier prices fast enough

[green marsh]

communicate with amazon about this, not me 😄

[peak dune]

well not that

im not saying just because its a kit its correct

im just saying its worked for 3y but idk

[peak dune]

lemme find the box for you sorry for sounding rude btw

[cosmic gazelle]

also the 14900k bundle is $100 more than the 270 bundle which seems off

[green marsh]

the one from the picture ? first slot is x16, rest are 2.0 x1 electrically 😄

me wondering what do i do with these now that i sold the AM4 system https://www.gskill.com/product/165/166/1536561087/F4-3200C14Q-64GTZR-EOL

[peak dune]

yea mb i misread it was z790

type mb

typo*

[frank zealot]

what?

[cosmic gazelle]

3200c14 kit will get you a pretty good price on ebay

isn't that a b die bin?

[peak dune]

do you have any other ideas?

[green marsh]

Processor: Integrated Intel Celeron 847 processor with 1.8GHz frequency
Chipset: Intel HM65 chipset
Display: Integrated VGA+HD+PCI-E X16 interface (for discrete graphics card)
RAM: 1DDR3 SODIMM slot, supports 1066/1333/1600MHz
Network: Integrated 1Realtek RTL8111F chipset for Gigabit network (supports network boot or PXE boot)
Storage: 1SATA3.0+1SATA2.0+1mSATA2.0
USB: 4USB2.0+2front USB2.0 connector
Expansion ports: 8PCI-E 16X (PCI-E x1 GEN2 speed), 1*mSATA3.0 interface

[frank zealot]

at no point was I referencing mining bullshit

[green marsh]

it is a b-die, but selling internationally is pain

[green marsh]

ok, you posted that just under my picture, so i was not sure

[cosmic gazelle]

how is a cpu that bad able to run a mining system, does mining legitimately require zero cpu overhead?

[frank zealot]

This board with 3x 8 pin power connectors

[green marsh]

yes, zero CPU really. Even LLM doesn't need much CPUif you do run only on GPU

LLM literally takes 1 core to synchronize stuff. mining even less (just data transfer to/from GPU)

[cosmic gazelle]

i feel like if you tried to run an llm on that thing youd have a pretty tough time

[green marsh]

synchronizing between two 5070 Ti's takes around 50-100MB/s peak data transfer. Only pain would be initial model loading

[cosmic gazelle]

how many lanes of pcie could a celeron even have

[green marsh]

16+ whatever chipset has

[frank zealot]

....

Z890 can run (legitimately without help)

1x x16 Gen 5 GPU
2x x8 Gen 4 GPU (or 1x x16 Gen 4)
1x x4 Gen 5 NVME
1x x4 Gen4 NVME

without needing to resort to trickery to make it work.

[pure garnet]

it’s honestly a pretty cool board

[green marsh]

these were Sandy or Ivy bridge Celerons

[shell void]

im terrified of the price

the dark hero is already $700 without the fun colors and OLED display

[cosmic gazelle]

so i'm assuming those gpu slots are running pcie 2 x 2 or something?

[green marsh]

PCI-E 2.0 x1 as mentioned

[cosmic gazelle]

oh

[frank zealot]

they're probably gonna make 150 of them and charge an arm and 2 testicles

[hot talon]

Thanks for all the help however

[green marsh]

they took all the chipset lanes and wirrerrd them for 7 slots 🙂

[shell void]

i say as if i didnt just spend like $800 on an analogue pocket and some gbc/gba games

[green marsh]

$1.5k-$2k i would expect

[shell void]

im still allergic to spending a lot on a motherboard even though i love motherboards

[steel stream]

Wait how much is the analogue pocket???

[cosmic gazelle]

now wire up 7 gt 710s and play arc raiders

[frank zealot]

GPUs have gotten fuckoff expensive, but there's some actual arguments for why.

Motherboards.... far as I can tell haven't changed that much, and can be beyond stupidly overpriced.

[shell void]

like $300 after tax and shipping for just the pocket if you buy it from their site, but i bought a used pocket+dock set complete in box because i didnt want to wait months

it was like $630 or something after tax and shipping for the pocket, dock, case, screen protectors, cables, etc

[steel stream]

Ah ok got it

[shell void]

yeah motherboards have super high margins

the Z890 Hero dropped to $350 because nobody wanted Z890 which shows how much room they have

they sell it for twice what they have to

[frank zealot]

Like if you release a godlike with a custom whole-board waterblock?

That's a 500$ waterblock on top of a board. I get why that's a 1000+ dollar piece of kit.

But a board with pretty heatsinks should not be 800-1200 bucks

[green marsh]

would be happy ith price like this, but locally i would be lucky to get 300 euros LOL

(to be fair mine is not "new")

[steel stream]

Enjoy, they seem cool af

[steel stream]

Until I make Lockheed money, I’m probs sticking with the <$400 mobo market

[frank zealot]

there ain't much reason to go over that budget

other than "bragging rights", "limited edition", or "hurr hurr, I bought expensive board"

[turbid locust]

It’s amazing how every time I drive I get behind the dumbest mf on the planet

[shell void]

even if youre an enthusiast the B850 MPower has all of the features you need for $230

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/asainlady-family-guy-familyguy-gif-5358798

[shell void]

but i just think nice motherboards are cool

not that the mpower isnt nice

[turbid locust]

Anything beyond $300 is either purely for flex or is going to serve a specific purpose

[shell void]

but it's a lot less interesting than the X870E Dark Hero, or that new Crosshair

[pure garnet]

this board is nice but i would not pay 800 bones for it

[turbid locust]

Anything beyond that $300 mark is flex, server mobo/actual work, or XOC

[pure garnet]

i'd be fine paying like 450 for a hero

glacial/retail apex money is not where im sold

[turbid locust]

a hero would be cool but again atp it’s mostly for flex. Nothing the Hero can functionally do the Mpower or something similar can’t

[cosmic gazelle]

@shell void 5 minutes into this game and the computer already tells you to k yourself, this is just like using chatgpt

[shell void]

i dont really think it's a flex

a $700 board isnt much of a flex in 2026 when 5090s are $3500+

[young void]

[shell void]

it's superfluous yes but high end boards are fun

[turbid locust]

When sub $300 boards do the job just the same or sometimes better, it’s kind of a flex.

[pure garnet]

the glacial is really the only show model i think of

[frank zealot]

sure, but for (normal) gamers, getting a 700+ dollar board could turn a GPU into the next tier (or possibly two tiers)

Aside from *90

[turbid locust]

Same vibe with like the TUF 5090 vs the Astral

Realistically what is the Astral doing the TUF isn’t

[slim pebble]

I get it, I really do. You can get a cheaper board and buy your own 10 gig card or USB4, get an aquacontroller for water pump and fan control, etc and carry all of those accessories to your next less expensive motherboard.

[steel stream]

My nova was $350 which is about where I’m comfortable paying, and it’s a pretty solid board

[turbid locust]

My Z890 Apex was the most amount of money I’ve ever dropped on a board and that was purely for OC purposes. That board never saw a case.

[steel stream]

How much did you get it for again?

[turbid locust]

What I paid lol

Which I guess is another benefit of higher end boards

[steel stream]

No I meant what price you got it for lol

[turbid locust]

$400 new from MC

The only boards that hold their value really are XOC or rarer current gen/last gen boards

[pure garnet]

this board at $450 new is the most i've dropped on a board

but i can resell it for around there somewhat easy

[shell void]

i was really close to ordering the dark hero so i can’t fault you at all

it’s easily the best overall am5 board right now in my opinion

[turbid locust]

$700 board for a $500 chip lol

[pure garnet]

nitropath intrigues me but im officially retired from buying motherboards until new hardware

[shell void]

the apex doesn’t have 10Gb or dual cpu nvme so it’s less interesting to me personally

dual cpu nvme is a requirement for me

[pure garnet]

yeah the m.2 layout on the apex blows chunks

[steel stream]

Kyoko don’t hang up the jersey no 🥀

[young void]

For 15$ tripo saves alot of time vs usimg trellis 2 and gives a decent amount of generations that are more precise if anyones bored and saves on the electric

[pure garnet]

i have to use dimm.2 for my 2nd nvme

[shell void]

i like the format dimm.2 but i don’t like that it uses chipset lanes

if they put your 8 cpu nvme lanes in the dimm.2 that would be fire

it’s in a perfect spot to get some airflow from your ram fan

[pure garnet]

4 of the lanes are forcibly eaten by usb ports

[shell void]

and you don’t have to remove your gpu to get at the drives

[pure garnet]

the switch wasn't added until the dark hero

the 3 slots on the pcb are 1 direct to cpu, and 2 that starve the x16 slot if you use them

then you get 2 off the chipset in the dimm.2

[steel stream]

Bdubs does not hit as hard the day after when microwaved for lunch

[pure garnet]

i hope x970e removes the stupid usb 4 mandate

losing 4 lanes to something niche sucks

[young void]

Companions to come

[shell void]

probs not because it’s not a problem anymore with the switches that new boards have

[shell void]

the pink axolotl is cute

[young void]

In the next few weeks need to add a companion swap menu to pause so they can be changed on the go. Just been busy creating basic models

[pure garnet]

nitropath on the dark hero probably is chilling for any ram adventure worth running on zen

[steel stream]

Yall during the AI revolution can we kill the roombas first

They might be one of my most hated pieces of tech

[pure garnet]

mine barely works

[steel stream]

Mine just trapped itself inside a room

And just kept bumping into the door over and over

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-chicken-they-see-me-rollin-cruising-funny-gif-27371805

Roomba or chicken scooter these are the questions

[pure garnet]

some guy on reddit says asus said it’s $750 for the 2006 @shell void

[slim pebble]

I found it open box for cheap or I never would have bought it.

[shell void]

only a $50 upcharge for a special edition colorway and OLED display sounds too good to be true

[shell void]

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-joe-computer-gif-6415300656589330844

[pure garnet]

i’m assuming my apex was from that newegg bundle deal

that or it fell off a truck because it was still sealed

[young void]

Probs clear cmos and re enable xmp/expo/docp then dont oc. Good to go let it memory train for 5 mins or so then should boot

Ofc thats with not knowing your issue lol

[frail beacon]

#1027757333117415424

[frail beacon]

"have you tried turning it off and on" is a better suggestion

[merry stirrup]

nuhuh

[young void]

Also possible if he was just ocing the gpu

Or running xtu or smth

[cosmic gazelle]

alibaba cooler landed in the us yesterday and with how customs is these days i won't have it for another week

[young void]

What lol

[merry stirrup]

overclocking makes me want to blow my shit smoov off

he put 102bclk on a 9800x3d

a less than 2% performance increase 😭

[steel stream]

worth it

[frail beacon]

Also
Only one or two streamers who uploaded videos of them playing Forza Horizon 6, and revealed their IDs got banned. I haven't seen anyone else reporting that they got perma banned due to getting the access early.

[cosmic gazelle]

sounds a lot like the 9850x3d

[young void]

Streaming early access should be fine unless the devs requested not to, still odd though

I mean most peeps are pretty generous on early development bugs

[merry stirrup]

sounds a lot like 17mhz

[steel stream]

nah they were playing the cracked leaked version

[frank zealot]

There's a free game on steam right now, and I'm about 98% sure that if I link it, I'll get warshipped lol