tech-chat-2

[merry stirrup]

i mean it worked pretty good

i could but bleghegha

same bro

3% more perf and ram temps to flex with

[brave panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc

[merry stirrup]

its not one of those

[turbid locust]

I would be doing it purely for acoustics

[merry stirrup]

yeah but if you of all people dont put ram in the loop whats the point

[turbid locust]

sounds like a pita to loop

[spiral quarry]

Tempted to do this to my GE unit.

[merry stirrup]

just has to be the last thing in da chain

[spiral quarry]

they do have a conversion kit for it too

[brave panther]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

[pure garnet]

it is

board dimm spacing is not standardized

[spiral quarry]

Luckily right now it's still cool so the AC is not running yet

[turbid locust]

besides it’s like $300 just for a gpu block

[spiral quarry]

I've just been cycling it every couple of days

[brave panther]

mini split my saviour

[turbid locust]

I just still can’t justify custom water cooling from a price, effort, and reliability standpoint

[wraith steeple]

That's completely fair

[merry stirrup]

if you do a cpu only loop it kinda makes sense only having to replace the block tho

top tier perf and you only have to pay for most of it once

[cosmic gazelle]

how much do you want for it before shipping, i’m just putting feelers out because i need to source a new mobo to diagnose this stupid behavior

[turbid locust]

If anything I would do gpu only

[merry stirrup]

2 kisses and a chilis triple dipper

(let me bench my 6300 then you can just have it for shipping)

(i take forever to ship tho ask kyoko)

[cosmic gazelle]

bet

[merry stirrup]

yur

[cosmic gazelle]

lemme know how high your nb goes because i’m like 99% sure this board is just fucked

[merry stirrup]

if you want my chip too thats fine

i tried up to 2400 which realistically is all thats going to work ever iirc

and it worked fine

[cosmic gazelle]

nah i don’t want your chip that’s no fun haha

i wanna see what my shitter will do

[turbid locust]

Floppa I’m planning to test my H16M soon

[merry stirrup]

which one?

is that your greenie or nah

[turbid locust]

both kits because apparently they’re not ass

[merry stirrup]

oh fire

[turbid locust]

Nah my greens are H16A

[merry stirrup]

ah ah

my h16a greenies were great i shoulda kept them from my previous employer

[shell void]

isnt that IC booty crack ass?

[turbid locust]

I had this tcreate H16M kit forever that I didn’t think could do more than 6800 but it was because my board was ass at the time

[merry stirrup]

bin means almost nothing memory is schizophrenia

[merry stirrup]

oh its fine

[turbid locust]

my AM5 4 dimmer is just the worst thing for mem oc on the planet

[merry stirrup]

it doesnt do as high freq (up to 8K if youre lucky), and does worse rfc and maybe rcd?

[wraith steeple]

How's TC2?

[merry stirrup]

realistically its the 3rd best ddr5 ic or something

[turbid locust]

I’m gonna see if I can stabilize 8K or higher with it

[merry stirrup]

could happen

[turbid locust]

It would be funny

[merry stirrup]

memerat had almost 8k stable

[turbid locust]

It would be really funny considering I didn’t think it could do 7K for awhile

[merry stirrup]

but hes on z890 with much higher load on the dimms so it wouldnt be shocking to me if ryzen could do a ratio or two higher

[turbid locust]

I think it would be really close because I tested it on Z890 and it wouldn’t boot 8400 iirc

[merry stirrup]

hmm hmm okie

im going to ask the big b at work if i can play with some micron shits

not many people have any experience with much other than hynix

[turbid locust]

We were walking this guy through some ram oc last night and he had Samsung E and we couldn’t get it to boot 5600 LMAO

it was a 5200 jedec kit

[merry stirrup]

yeah sammy isnt worth ocing for the most part iirc idk

micron is fine but the XMP voltage rating is always too high

reverse scales like a mf, anymore than ~1.25 is pretty shit

[wraith steeple]

[turbid locust]

We had dude set it to like 1.3v, with like 48-50-50-127 and it wouldn’t boot 5600 lmao

[merry stirrup]

straight garbage

what board?

[turbid locust]

Yeah I told him to blow his pc up

[turbid locust]

some random MSI board

[merry stirrup]

stupid but my board doesnt boot above 38 tCL unless i manually set tCWL for some reason

or like, 44, somewhere around that

i assume it autos way too low and wont post cause of that

[turbid locust]

It looks like the same MSI bios as my dogshit MSI 4 dimmer has so

[merry stirrup]

eugh

the z270 special

[merry stirrup]

i need a better capture card man

[turbid locust]

My EVGA XR1 lite does the thing

[merry stirrup]

i have shit usb 2.0 capture card

so bad i just use the pikvm

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m messaging a guy in liguna niguel about a gigabyte 990fx for $35 but if he doesn’t get back to me i’ll probably just wait for yours

[turbid locust]

I have an Elgato HD60 Pro that I was never able to get working I can send you next time I send you something

If you can revive it it’s yours

[merry stirrup]

mkay

sounds good shawty

[turbid locust]

I bought it on eBay for cheap and was never able to get it to work and got refunded so

[slate cliff]

@vestal granite still seys unkown after reincerting them

[thorn kraken]

does anyone in here with multiple monitors know how I can prevent having to re-align my monitors every time in nvidia control panel whenever I want to switch to/from vertical orientation on main monitor for some games?

this is the alignment by default which no sane person has, so every time i need to align it properly myself

to be like this, which resets to the first image when I want to go back to landscape

[frank cypress]

oh lmao i was looking at PCPP and i was so confused why 14900KFs are only $390 now, but then i realized it was set to the US 🤦‍♂️

$390 cad new 14900kF would be a fucking steal

[wraith steeple]

[low sorrel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1t2ydg1/united_airlines_flight_169_hits_bakery_truck/

@steel stream This guy would never lose 2 truths and a lie

[frank cypress]

oh naur...... my dad thinks he needs a i5 cause "it's the mid end option"

he doesn't need allat for spreadsheets and web browsing 🥀

12/13/14th gen i3 is more than enough for him 😭

[smoky orbit]

(get him a first gen mobile i5, he'll get what he wants)

[low sorrel]

i5 760

[frank cypress]

nah he's not stupid, but he's just strangely insistent on needing at least an i5

but i feel like an i3 is more than enough for menial tasks

[smoky orbit]

I have an i5-6500T and an i5-7500 if you want

[frank cypress]

i have a 6400t and a 8400 lying around but my cousin is offering a ddr4 b760 and some lga1700 i3 for like, $150

which i think is a pretty good deal and should last him a long time

cad, ofc

[smoky orbit]

(i have the mobo as well, an h110m-k, I'm only hafl meming)

[frank cypress]

oh yeah i still also have a 3200g but not really keen on buying another am4 board if it's not really cheap

[smoky orbit]

cheapest boards I've seen are like 130 CAD (new)

[frank cypress]

i don't think i have it in me to spend more than $50 on another am4 board

[smoky orbit]

very understandable

[low sorrel]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2152970008577976/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A28db46ec-9f4d-4c60-8483-fde6f85ac9cb

[merry stirrup]

get him a used 12600K because he’s the goat clearly

[frank cypress]

i mean my cousin should have a used 12600k as well so i could ask him how much he'd want for that

[sharp heart]

whoa whoa whoa, watch your mouth with the way you are talking about the i5 7x0 series

[frank cypress]

cheapest lga1700 i5 i see locally is a 14400 for $190

[low sorrel]

seems aight

[sharp heart]

(also you can go lower with the i5 750)

[frank cypress]

i'm not saying it's a bad deal, i just feel like it's a lot of money to be spent for realistically barely any benefit for him

[low sorrel]

he needs 10cores bro

[frank cypress]

he was fine with a core quad till now

i wonder how much faster a single e core is than that 🤔

[teal orbit]

buy him a skylake i5 to compromise

[pallid marsh]

My parents PC uses a r5 3400g a strong 4c 8t powerhouse

[frank cypress]

i wouldn't wish my old 6400t on anybody

[teal orbit]

what's wrong with it

[frank cypress]

or well, i just don't have fond memories using that pc

i5 6400t with 8gb of single channel ddr3l ram, no dgpu, hdd only

actual ewaste pc 🥀

even fucking league of legends was awful on that pc

55 fps at the lowest settings iirc, 5 minutes to load into a match

[pallid marsh]

https://www.amazon.ca/Computer-Support-Display-Ethernet-Business/dp/B0FVLZ4Z2X $280 cad 16gb ram 512ssd 4c 4t n95 mobile alder lake

[frank cypress]

he told me he also doesn't want a mini PC either unfortunately

[pallid marsh]

But why?!

[frank cypress]

cause he said he cares about expanding storage with hdds and i think he said he wants his optical drive still

cause i think we have some family photos on DVDs so

or at least, that's what he told me

[teal orbit]

oh my goodness

[pallid marsh]

How much are 10th Gen Intel optiplexes

[frank cypress]

not horrible

[pallid marsh]

300 cad,:/

[frank cypress]

i mean, it could be worse

[floral spear]

Yayyy they came!

[bold robin]

capcut pro 5070 or 9070?

[pallid marsh]

5070

[wraith steeple]

Scandisk, you're scanning an empty SSD.....

[hoary hatch]

this is effectively an nvidia channel

[wraith steeple]

[shell void]

nuh uh this is the INTEL ARC channel

are we buying the Arc Pro C70?

[pallid marsh]

the better upscaling and ray tracing on the 5070 makes up for the slightly slower 8% raster performance of the 9070

[analog scroll]

I got my I7-10850H + 16GB RAM + 256GB Samsung NVME Dell Latitude laptop for $315CAD from bauer systems

[hoary hatch]

really its something that can use LPDDR instead of GDDR

[pallid marsh]

@frank cypress can you mail me this cat?

[shell void]

nonononono trust it will be a ~400mm intel 18a xe3p gpu with 48GB GDDR7

[frank cypress]

oh my, what a cutie

[analog scroll]

bauer systems is worth taking a look at @frank cypress

[bold robin]

does better upscaIing mean that its better for editing

[frank cypress]

ehhhh idk i feel like buying the cpu and board off my cousin and just cobbling the rest from spare parts will be ultimmately similar in price but be a better computer at the end of the day

[hoary hatch]

bruh

[pallid marsh]

everything is better on nvidia for production software

[shell void]

[wraith steeple]

How is everyone

[frank cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/wet-owl-gif-5658056727679848013

[wraith steeple]

Just killing time for whenever Scandisk finishes scanning an empty drive

[analog scroll]

medium

lower-medium actually

[devout ridge]

96 hours later, cracked 18k

[wraith steeple]

[devout ridge]

I left it running while i was on vacation

[analog scroll]

is that the

[devout ridge]

i run my R630 24/7 and only run my desktop when i'm not using it

[analog scroll]

foldy thing where you make numbers

[hoary hatch]

how much do you pay per kWh

[devout ridge]

0, it's a donation of computation towards alzheimers research

[devout ridge]

Folding @ Home, yeah

[pallid marsh]

what province is yee father in

[hoary hatch]

so Iroh summons free electricity from the 4th dimension

[devout ridge]

OH PAY! 17c

I thought you said make for some reason

[hoary hatch]

reading is difficult mmm yes

[merry stirrup]

(iroh cannot read)

[devout ridge]

it's like 700w of a continous load, so 11.40usd spent

[hoary hatch]

technically you make -$0.17/kWh

[devout ridge]

can i file that as tax deduction?

[merry stirrup]

mcnugget

[hoary hatch]

or if we write it in business speak
($0.17/kWh)

[hoary hatch]

hmm, I wonder if you could claim it as a charitable donation

although F@H would have to be registered as a charity? no idea about any of that

but if you're talking like a hundred bucks over a year, not sure if you really get anything back on your taxes for that

(Fwiw i've never looked at itemized deductions sooo TBD there)

[pallid marsh]

my god why

[hoary hatch]

yes my 5070ti is too weak to play simcity 2013

[sharp heart]

generate urself a new card buddy

[hoary hatch]

And for some reason simcity is producing audio from my monitor speakers

Fuckin why

[hoary hatch]

Forcing it to headphones via windows crashes the game

Oh my god ea CEO can eat a bag of broken glass

[sharp heart]

havent had your new DLSS (Deep Learning Sound System) update

unluckyyy !

[smoky orbit]

@analog scroll and @wraith steeple I think you would love this channel https://www.youtube.com/@WindowsG

[placid blaze]

I watch LTT every now and again but I find myself clicking on Dawid and Salem Techsperts videos immediately when I see them in my feed

[frank cypress]

bc

[teal orbit]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[pallid marsh]

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-desktop-computers/mississauga-peel-region/dell-optiplex-3080-mt-desktop-intel-core-i5-10th-gen-16g-256gssd/1735382730 damn your dad cant lowball this guy then

[smoky orbit]

we woooooooooooonnnnnnnnn

we eliminated tampa

[analog scroll]

Wait TYSM

I have the exact same Imac

2006 20inch intel

[smoky orbit]

the channeel is on a hiatus (she does have a dc I can send you the link if you want)

[slim pebble]

Nice! The dark hero x870e can run two gen 5 NVME just like the x670e crosshair did. It will take the lanes from the USB 4 that very few use.

[turbid locust]

I still to this day do not feel the need to have anything faster than my gen 3 drives lol

[pure garnet]

fell for the directstorage meme

[topaz veldt]

Mhm

[topaz veldt]

It is nice because you don't need a heatsink at all at all

@slim pebble just get the Glacial, join me

rofl @turbid locust bro - whoops

Going on 5 days rofl

totally forgot I had that running

[turbid locust]

kek

[topaz veldt]

is 195,000% coverage good lol

[brisk jolt]

funny

[merry stirrup]

odd primaries and gdm = on = rounded up to even

meaning your trcd is not 25, its 26

[brisk jolt]

hm, ive never played with gdm before so i didnt know about that

[pure garnet]

monkemode

[brisk jolt]

precious +15 fps from 1220 and 6w less power

[pure garnet]

6w 😭

looking at my voltages you're only really saving vsoc

[brisk jolt]

then again this chip made of the lowest quality materials cant do 6400 or 8000

[pure garnet]

worse than my 7800x3d

it can do 8000

[brisk jolt]

lul whatever if it beats the 7800 tune im fine with it XD

[pure garnet]

did you try ycruncher

[brisk jolt]

nope im not on the PC at all I gotta study

[cosmic gazelle]

@pure garnet @merry stirrup the hopeful solution to my woes

[cosmic gazelle]

damn these jawns expensive as hell

[fervent chasm]

That’s wild

[slim pebble]

I don’t have a white build, the dark hero will look perfect in my NV9.

It has everything that the ProArt can do and a ton more.

[slim pebble]

Glacial is low key one of the best performing boards out there, can anyone explain to me why?

[brisk jolt]

its their white flagship board

[green marsh]

@topaz veldt RIP ECC DDR5 users https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STWvlCefL4Q

[pallid marsh]

little bro robbed himself

[slim pebble]

It’s at the top of nearly every techpowerup chart.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300519613976809533/1500655682800844881/image0.jpg?ex=69f93a03&is=69f7e883&hm=2ab26961c46e7df0f77ee75fbe1e98dd27552c1bd0c9b39d7b42705d721bcce4&

[minor herald]

lol i can easy make a passable cheap b650 board be chart topper

not hard to get to 100GB/s reads on 9950x

[slim pebble]

That’s what I want to know, what’s the difference there?

[minor herald]

there running a shity memory test
with shity xmp at speed ALL am5 board shoud be able to hit like you need somthing to be dead for it not to be able to run ddr5 6000 stable and aida64 run to run can easy be that large of range

where just changing basic setting like setting trefi to 50k easy will make just about all of those chart topers

[brisk jolt]

a b850 livemixer there is funny ngl

[slim pebble]

So the higher end boards just had tighter timings stock

[minor herald]

they shoud not

[minor herald]

if they are thats bad

[minor herald]

is it good if mobo out of box overclocks your cpu and it only works like 50% of cpus?

and it maybe be degrading it is that good?

[brisk jolt]

who knows if its just pbo auto xd

[minor herald]

and same thing applys to it setting tigher ram timings many board have auto click this one butten in bios for tigher ram timings it offen just dose not boot

there a spec for a good reson

and that why i dont like xmp

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/takumi-takumi-fujiwara-itsuki-ae86-initial-d-gif-2325534654122729811

[minor herald]

cool

[minor herald]

did it not go tigher on few of those timings?

[nova patrol]

can usb c on mobo output high watts

[brisk jolt]

i didnt even test vt3 nor karhu and just keyed it in lazily from a post

[minor herald]

USB PD the highest spec is 240W

[nova patrol]

from a motherboard?

[minor herald]

read the spec

it shoud list what it suports

like 5V at 2A or 48V at 5A or somthing like that

[nova patrol]

ok thanks

[slim pebble]

I was thinking of getting a new board, probably a ProArt or something with better I/O.. so the board really doesn’t matter?

[minor herald]

board matters for OC/IO

at stock its just the IO that matters

unless you getting 9950x/9950x3d2 on board with like realy why did you get a board with that weaks of vrm

but mostly only like most budget of board/a620/b840 boards since why chuck good vrm on board that dont let oc/that also ment to be cheap

[slim pebble]

I have an X3D, a 16+2 phase should be fine. I need the IO and PCIE lane config

[minor herald]

what one?

[slim pebble]

X8/x8 dual GPU, or the ability to use the bottom slot at x16 with a blocked GPU

Not all boards can do that

Most run the bottom slot at x4 or x2 off the chipset

[floral spear]

Holy shit it worked

[minor herald]

computer

[pallid marsh]

your couch is shedding

[green marsh]

x8/x8 you got exactly 3 options on AM5, all north of $500

[livid flame]

Are you living in a supermarket basement with a wrecked sofa from previous looting raids?

[floral spear]

I sleep in the garage to prevent myself from seeing the Standing Man

[livid flame]

The flooring now makes sense

[fervent chasm]

Is that 2 x16 slots in x8 or bifurcation?

[green marsh]

2x x8. No mainstream board has dual x16, that is HEDT feature

[fervent chasm]

I meant 2 x16 but only wired x8

[green marsh]

yes, then yeah, you got a whole 3 boards on AM5

[fervent chasm]

What about x16 with bifurcation?

So you can split the slot into x8/x8

[green marsh]

maybe few more now with new X870's, but last time i looked it was horrible

[livid flame]

This is the best you will get on AM5

[green marsh]

take a look here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/

X870E boards do often have bifurcation, i apologize

X870 rarely, X670/X670E rarely, rest pretty much never

[fervent chasm]

Yah X870E seems to have a ton

That’s nice

At least you don’t have to drop $500 then

[green marsh]

but one needs to actuall check, i haven't looked which of the cheap X870E's have bifurcation

ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI is probably the cheapest at nearly 480 euros here i can see with x8/x8 mode 😄

[fervent chasm]

That’s dumb

Intel has a lot of options iirc

With 2 x16 slots that are wired x8, or just bifurcation

That’s are cheaper

[green marsh]

find them. x8/x8 became a rare/highend feature on both modern plaforms

[fervent chasm]

I was looking not so long ago before I got my board, I’d have to look back in the morning

If you remember when I’m back on could you remind me

It’s 3 am here lol

[late atlas]

It fucking better be

Those motherboards are the price of gpus

Not bad ones either

[civic reef]

@low sorrel yeah I am sorry I can't play ARC

$39.99

[late atlas]

That means he has to buy it for you

Jerry, spend $40

[civic reef]

It's 39.99
I've accepted bribes gifts before but atleast they were like $20 at most on games I knew I could run!!

[late atlas]

You're gonna accept another one

We're gonna make jerry spend $40

[civic reef]

I'd rather not 😭

Jerry is almost as young as I am I don't want him to be spending such amounts with what I assume to be a limited income

[late atlas]

He uses a 3060 for 4k gaming, I think he deserves to lose 40 dollars

[civic reef]

Depending on the title it can probably do 4K60

[late atlas]

With dlss turned to ultra performance maybe

[civic reef]

Native, surprisingly

[late atlas]

There's no way that a 3060 can do 4k at 60 FPS

Yeah maybe if you play league or some eSports title but even then

It's a 3060

[brisk jolt]

good to know he can do 4K60 on roblox

[late atlas]

In the loading screen

[brisk jolt]

in the home page*

[late atlas]

True true

[low sorrel]

*in the witcher 3 and only the witcher 3

and kcd1

[low sorrel]

[late atlas]

Kek

[inland dome]

So Im strategizing how Im gonna easily remove my cpu fans

[civic reef]

Oh

Also check what I pinged you for

[inland dome]

So I found this little thing, its a very solid, flat piece of metal with this hook on it that should be really good for applying some leverage outwards while I push the brackets upward if I just hook it under the bottom

One hand is gonna hold onto the tower so it doesnt move with the bracket, and Im gonna pinch the bracket Im removing between my thumb and that piece of metal, which should be infinitely easier than just using a fingernail

Since its such a sturdy piece of metal, and Im sure it wont bend while Im doing this, it will probably be even better than just using a flathead

Past that, its just installing the new fans and plugging the wires back into the daisy chain, which should be really easy to do

[low sorrel]

Ah ya cheap fuck

Gotta make use of the steam refund policy

[trim agate]

Especially when he has such a turd gpu

[civic reef]

My guy I am blowing all my money except $20 on a T14 Gen 1

[inland dome]

Hey, kcd2 is actually optimized so well it can run better than kcd1

[civic reef]

And that 39.99 is 40% of my salary

[inland dome]

That alone is genuinely insane though, Warhorse needs to be credited for making KCD2 run as well as it does for how beautiful it is

But anyways I think Im overblowing the fan replacement difficulty, the brackets absolutely suck to get off without a decent tool (what I have now should make it very easy though), and aside from that it's just plugging the exact same cables into the exact same headers, plus an argb header thats even more accessible than the pwm

No clue why Im so anxious about doing it though, its literally one of the easiest things and I built the pc myself

[topaz veldt]

That isn't the point - the point was that interestingly the Glacial tops the charts, at the same settings as everything else, across a dozen tests

[topaz veldt]

I have the X870E Glacial it does not overclock your CPU out of the box, and this is memory and latency and such it has no bearing on PBO

[topaz veldt]

It is its the same BIOS core across all ASUS X870E

[minor herald]

but if board sets tighter timings and that makes unstable thats bad

[topaz veldt]

Boards do not "set timings"

When you apply EXPO/XMP that is what dictates the timings

[minor herald]

many board have boost options and offen they dont boot

[minor herald]

many boards ont read all the xmp timings due to there offen shit

but they just set them to jedec

[topaz veldt]

Ok so untrue, but also, if thats true, then the board would set JEDEC, not some "I have secret internal tighter timings"

Also, I have this board, zentimings isn't showing some secret different tune from EXPO

Which poses @slim pebble original ask - whats unique in the Glacial that it tops the charts

[minor herald]

my freinds board some of the xmp timings it did use others it did not and i have seen other cases where xmp timings are very ass and board still users them dispite its slower

[topaz veldt]

Irrelevant

A) we're talking about EXPO B) its the same BIOS for like 10 of those boards

and yet... the X870E Glacial is ahead

[late atlas]

Cause it's glacial, it runs cooler and therefore gets better performance

Just imagine a board with the name liquid nitrogen, ooh it'd be at the tippy top of every chart

[topaz veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[late atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-12061360726599077047

[keen wigeon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/moopsie-moopsy--k01KQSCX6BNA3WPXWA5MAZ4P8RG

[livid flame]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-gif-7187778

[late atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/rx4d-amd-ryzen-амуде-амд-gif-9842753048700239168

[inland dome]

Used to be like this before I saw what nvidia cards had in the way of software support

[late atlas]

I've never owned a single amd product before

[inland dome]

Having a native upscale override alone is such a huge thing I didnt think about

[inland dome]

Ill probably even go to intel for cpus in the future, but I used to have an amd/amd pc

RX580/R5 2600

[maiden prairie]

The neat thing when you own 3 gaming desktops and a server is you can have all the brands at the same time lol

[inland dome]

Im not anywhere near that level of money personally, I just upgrade my one when I desperately need to

Right now I only really play like one or two games my RX580 could even run, and it wouldnt run them perfectly like my current setup does

Definitely not at 1440p

I like AMD's cpus since AM4 since they tend to just have better performance for my needs at the price points, but the ultra refreshes for Intel seem to have changed that

[keen wigeon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/drifting-small-car--k01KQSDG239Y48AB5Q5KXRP4MKY

@topaz veldt

[inland dome]

I do miss my stock cooler being able to keep my r5 2600 below the thermal limit for years though

[brisk jolt]

ive had the GPUs and both amd and intel CPUs
setting performance aside, Nvidia and Intel respectively just slap AMD in the face like bruh

[inland dome]

I cant imagine Ill need to paste my cpu for another couple years or so, but its such a shame that my cpu fans are failing so quick

[maiden prairie]

For GPUs I stopped buying AMD yeah
For CPUs, I owned both amd and intel, and it depends on the available prices at the time and the budget

But nowadays AMD is often at super interesting prices

[inland dome]

Hopefully the p12 pros give me a solid 3-5 years

[keen wigeon]

Keep the poo from building up on them and the will last a lot longer than that

[civic reef]

In what regards?

[inland dome]

Oh thats just the thing, my id cooling fans are damn near spotless

[maiden prairie]

I don't know what he is on with the CPUs tbh

GPUs I can understand, DLSS is just too goated and needed

[keen wigeon]

I have a set of arctic p12s that have been running 24/7 for 5 years

not even a tiny squeak of a fart

[inland dome]

Generally I keep my pc clean by prevention of anything to make it dirty, rather than frequent cleaning

[inland dome]

Thats a good advertisement for how nice they'll be then, since I would have them running much less

Unless I get duds, could easily last me until the liquid in the bearings is flat out gone

[keen wigeon]

they're good fans

[inland dome]

For the price especially I bet

[topaz veldt]

its a weird product - are you buying one

[keen wigeon]

I ordered one this morning

[topaz veldt]

nice - just cuz?

[keen wigeon]

Mostly

I have up to 25gbit wan and have been wasting it on a DMPSE

[inland dome]

Only thing is Im gonna want to change my bios as soon as I get them installed, my current fan curve is gonna have to be displaced quite a bit if I dont want them running at 2100rpm

[topaz veldt]

25 Gbps WAN wtf

[keen wigeon]

I'm on the board of our city municipal ISP lol

[inland dome]

Im thinking Ill keep the fans at like 55% on 90C+

[keen wigeon]

I get access to nutty internet

[topaz veldt]

You couldn't pay me enough to be on a board of anything in a city

[inland dome]

Depends on the city, you could be getting paid to do nothing

[keen wigeon]

It is mostly old people who chitter chatter about shit that don't matter

[topaz veldt]

Boards don't pay

[topaz veldt]

exactly

[inland dome]

Well you did bring that factor into it

[keen wigeon]

it is once a month for an hour

[inland dome]

If you were getting paid a salary to do nothing, that sounds like a good deal

[topaz veldt]

@keen wigeon a house we bought in 2013 had a failed septic and needed to go on public sewer - we had to meet with the EPA, water authority, etc. etc. and it was absolute lunacy

[topaz veldt]

I did - I said you couldn't pay me enough to be on a board

[keen wigeon]

🙁

[inland dome]

Oh yeah I personally couldn't

[keen wigeon]

being on the board as the only techincial person there makes it easy

[topaz veldt]

"Mark which one is the power cord?"

[keen wigeon]

mostly

[topaz veldt]

We just had this like 1300 sq ft patio put in

[inland dome]

Right, I imagine they just take your word for it unless they dont want to be cooperative for some reason

[topaz veldt]

because it was over 1000 sq ft it needed like two levels higher of inspections and engineering drawings

it finishes up... final inspection comes - I was a little nervous they'd ask why there's a conduit into the shed and that its carrying fiber w/ power in the same conduit (can't make low voltage and high voltage, but I was prepared to argue its no voltage)... dude comes, talks about football for 90 secs with our guy, peeks his head out back literally 5-10 seconds, "Alright Mike - stay healthy looks good"

[inland dome]

Dual 9950X3D2s is about as good as one 9950X3D for tasks that only use one CCD if I'm not mistaken? Probably quite insane as a workstation though

I imagine city planning/modeling is where that would maybe be useful?

[brisk jolt]

in the regards amd is ass

[inland dome]

That or there's a super important building to model really intricately using some software that would actually be able to utilize all four ccds

[inland dome]

To be fair, AM5 was the way to go for a gaming pc until the ultra refresh

But man, nowadays its like you get Intel if you want a good cpu, Nvidia/Intel if you want a good gpu, and AMD if you're clinging on to the hope they actually release whatever crazy Redstone software that'll make it 500 times better than either of them for sure

[keen wigeon]

@topaz veldt I had the some sort of shit happen with our solar panels. It seemed like the city sent every inspector our to the house. It was a clown show. They all poked and prodded and walked around for 2 hours while some supervisor used my house as a training example.

[brisk jolt]

read the context next time

[keen wigeon]

Then when the actual inspection happened the dude was like "Yep, that's a big ass solar array." and flipped the switch, walked away.

[inland dome]

I mean the original reply was over 3 gaming desktops and a server if Im reading far enough up and correctly, I didn't think that was off context

Like AMD was at least good for 3/4 of the systems being talked about a while ago

[brisk jolt]

you are still not understanding what Im talking about

[inland dome]

Not saying I do, I admit there's always the possibility Im not

Especially since Im not entirely awake

[brisk jolt]

You’re also not entirely asleep

https://tenor.com/view/sparxie-hoyoverse-mihoyo-honklai-star-rail-hsr-gif-6569464363405313241

[steel stream]

@topaz veldt do you golf?

[keen wigeon]

the city has had a really... unfriendly stance on solar. These bitches are in the pocket of the Poudre Valley REA. The power generation company talks to the fat old white men who people elect and tell them about the evils of self generation... so the "non-profit" power generation company can cram money in their pockets.

[steel stream]

Mark you're hurting those poor little power companies, how dare you /s

[keen wigeon]

so there are maybe 4 people in the entire city who have solar installed. I fought the city for 5 or 6 years and finally got them to change a bunch of shit... after I whipped out my giant... network of political connections.

[civic reef]

No I meant
What do NVidia & Intel do better in your use cases

I am not arguing btw
Just interested

[keen wigeon]

which was mostly just emailing a few folks. Now the city has a streamlined self-generation permitting process AND the city will pay for any trenching and grid service upgrades.

[brisk jolt]

Nvidia smokes in features
Intel just dominates AMD in core counts and how power draw with lower loads is handled

[steel stream]

ok wow, that's pretty cool, makes it a lot easier for future people

[brisk jolt]

Also AMD try not to be a pain in the ass when it comes to SFF builds:

[maiden prairie]

SFF builds are so niche that it's not really an agurment tbh

[brisk jolt]

AMD has ass IO and hard to keep cool

[keen wigeon]

Yeah. They required insane stuff before like a general contractor to oversee the project. Bitch a GC doesn't need to be involved for electrical work.

[keen wigeon]

AMD has ass memory controllers

fite me on it

[maiden prairie]

Have you been fist fucked by an amd cooler or what is it ?

[brisk jolt]

bigger problem on 4dimmers and memory overclockers but yes I agree

[brisk jolt]

what

try putting a LP cooler on a 9950x it's a neat way to turn it into a 9700x

[minor herald]

if any one needs proof that it is look at the ryzen max+ai 395

[keen wigeon]

4 DIMMs good, much capacity. 2 dense DIMMs is weak AF

[minor herald]

its same 16 cores as 9950x but its faster dispite lower clocks/power limit

[minor herald]

the first gen x3d ran hot

[keen wigeon]

I can fire up a 13th gen intel with 4 dimms at 6400 with barely cough. AMD? Instant vomit.

[minor herald]

even 1dpc 6400 is hit or miss

[brisk jolt]

2 dimms attempting the 6400 lottery will already get it dead on the ground

[maiden prairie]

i have a 12600k that I need upgrading, but it's in DDR4 and I can't really buy DDR5 now .... though maybe if I sell the DDR4 it would be ok...

Or ... I put the 12600k platform in the PC with the 9600x / ddr5 and only upgrade the 9600x to a 9800x3d

I don't really know what's the best course of action

[keen wigeon]

like eating cold stewed tomatoes vomit from AMD. That's what makes me sad. Otherwise the CPUs are solid 🙂

[minor herald]

you can get higher ram clocks like ddr5 8000 but on cpus like 9800x3d fclk limits so hard to point 6400 with cranked fclk is offen faster

[brisk jolt]

My 265K experience was nice except for the lack of single thread performance/X3D(or bllc)

[maiden prairie]

Games that profits from the x3d really destroys intel gaming performances

[minor herald]

wdym lack of single thread

[steel stream]

that's what happens when you go through the substrate for die to die and IOD communications

[keen wigeon]

You can get fast RAM but the IO die really kneecaps perf

[minor herald]

yes ddr5 8000 RIP max 64GB/s due to fclk

[keen wigeon]

I like the architecture of ryzen but dude gimme more links to the CPU dies

[minor herald]

ddr5 6000 out of box offen gets only slighty less

[brisk jolt]

single core/single thread performance, not sure which but one of my often played games only really uses 1 core.

[keen wigeon]

moar links.

[minor herald]

oh the kind of ass memory latacny

yes if game needs data from ram it will stall out

[steel stream]

are you just a fan of the single type cores?

[keen wigeon]

So instead? I run macos because desktop linux is a hobby and windows is poop

[brisk jolt]

Basically the game all gets pushed through one core, and it really loved the X3D benefits

[minor herald]

higher d2d/ngu/ring/tunnig can make it better but raptor lake was just better in that regard over arrow lake

[civic reef]

True

With Intel, back in 2025, you could get a CPU (12600K) for around ~130-150 with 6P+4E, and an iGPU capable of running source games even, with the CPU itself being good enough to not cause issues with most GPUs

Although 20MB cache on the P cores

[minor herald]

?

[maiden prairie]

Well but the 9800x3d is still the untouchable gaming king of performances

[brisk jolt]

Not to mention you can retire an ARL chip into other useful stuff unless you got the F series, because it has a competent igpu that has av1

[keen wigeon]

I like the mix of low power and perf cores. I don't slap my desktop hard all that much... everything is done remote unless I'm editing video. I really like intel's tiered core setup

[minor herald]

aulder lake only had like 1.25MB of L2 each

[civic reef]

Comparing a $130-150 chip with a $350-400 chip

[steel stream]

You should wait for next gen, rumored to be 52 cores, 16 P + 32E + 4LPE at the highest SKU

[minor herald]

i think its goint to have same problem as 9950x

unless intel solves problem amd has not in like 8 years

[civic reef]

I am talking L3
But yeah, L2 was 1.25MB. E-Core L2 though is 2MB, probably to make up for the lack of an L3 cache?

[keen wigeon]

i turned on my gaming PC last night and windows installed updates. The start menu was a confusing disaster. Why did it try to iOS/Gnome group applications by type in little boxes? Get outta here with that crap.

[minor herald]

not realy how cache works

[civic reef]

What problem?

[maiden prairie]

Obviously (i have a 12600k btw), but just saying that not one is better than the other
Depends on the budget, needs, prices when buying etc etc

[steel stream]

do you mean like bandwidth and die 2 die communications?

[maiden prairie]

install linux 😉

[minor herald]

yes the die 2 die

[civic reef]

I am just taking a guess at why the E cores get more cache

[keen wigeon]

I am probably going to switch that desktop to ubuntu

[steel stream]

it should be better, it uses a much better packaging technique

[maiden prairie]

Ubuntu really isn't the best idea, you should go in #linux and ask

[minor herald]

oh the ecore cluster sharing L2 is for low power usage so they can mosty power down the L3/ring and 4MB is so its not like very little since its 4 cores sharing

[amber swan]

ubuntu is a great distro

[steel stream]

it's a foveros silicon base tile, instead of smth like infinity fabric or an organic interposer

[keen wigeon]

I run industry standards instead of random ubuntu forks

[minor herald]

and its lower latacny form 1 ecore in same cluser to other ecore in same cluster then to p core to pcore since only need to go to L2 layer not L3 layer

[steel stream]

AMD knows infinity fabric is bad, but 99% of people don't care about it and it keeps profit margins high

[burnt socket]

it's a personal preference.

[amber swan]

It's the one everyone goes to

[burnt socket]

let them surf to find their distro

[devout ridge]

AMD just throws more L3 cache at the problem

[maiden prairie]

Yeah and ubuntu isn't the industry standard of anything lol

If you want real industry standard go fedora
95% of the corporate world runs rhel based distro and fedora is the upstream of that

[civic reef]

Also isn't Intel MUCH better with memory to CPU communication?

[amber swan]

@burnt socket what's the most popular distro these days?

[minor herald]

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZF7h!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0d86c087-5da6-4098-b3cc-2a2a39c44c48_350x200.png

[steel stream]

no Mark you have to try this fedora fork my super smart comp sci buddy who dropped out of college made, it's so good

[minor herald]

you can see the ecore cluster gets lower latacny with in it self

[devout ridge]

Ubuntu is 10th in popularity

[keen wigeon]

what in the heck are you rambling on about? RHEL is standard, yes but fedora? wtf

[devout ridge]

CachyOS

[keen wigeon]

What are you smoking

[amber swan]

source?

[civic reef]

What's this supposed to be? Ratios? For what?

[devout ridge]

https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity

[inland dome]

They must be at the point where thats solving very little right?

[keen wigeon]

I hear good things

[minor herald]

ping times in IDC units

[amber swan]

ah, surprising

[civic reef]

Oh
I am too dumb for that, sorry

[maiden prairie]

I'm not smoking anything, ubuntu is far from being popular in the community and far from being the "standard" in the industry

Fedora is managed by rhel, it's just the upstream and the community version, they are virtually the same, fedora just get updated sooner and doesn't have some specific patches

[devout ridge]

I mean X3D chips perform amazingly regardless of RAM speed and latency, so clearly it's working to alleviate the issues with the shitty infinity fabric

[keen wigeon]

big boy shit

[maiden prairie]

This website doesn't represent real popularity, just the popularity of clicks on this website

[inland dome]

At least its probably doing something then

[minor herald]

like it takes around 60 units of time for core 1 to say hello to core 2
where core 5 to core 6 is way lower dispote being slower cores since dont need to go as far from shaired L2

[devout ridge]

Got a better source?

[civic reef]

The X3D cache almost got me to buy a 7800X3D w/ 1x16GB of 5600 CL40 SODIMM adapted to DIMM

[brisk jolt]

and not to mention AMD has always been shit at binning chips

[minor herald]

i realy hope nover lake dose not look like this

[civic reef]

Before I could do anything though I got bombed ❤️

[minor herald]

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UyNg!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fefaf8904-f4b4-4335-8d5d-184569d27e25_1001x517.png

[devout ridge]

Eh... get two dimms

[maiden prairie]

The only real source we have is steam survey
But then it's heavily skewed toward gaming .... which could be fine considering most of us here are gamers anyway

Otherwise we have no way of knowing no, since there is no telemetry on linux (except on ubuntu lol)

[devout ridge]

Half the total bandwidth sitll isn't going to be great

[civic reef]

I was planning to!

[burnt socket]

don't get me wrong i started linux here

[keen wigeon]

get it

[devout ridge]

And that puts Ubuntu at 3rd

[civic reef]

Getting something that's atleast like 5600 CL36, so the eventual SODIMM replacement isn't nearly as bogged down by the bad DIMM

[inland dome]

Linux is shaping up to be a lot like my cpu fans

[livid flame]

There’s nothing to say in the steam survey that specifically the machine surveyed is playing games. It’s a really poor source of information

[maiden prairie]

Yes, but he was talking about industry standard, just saying the standard is fedora/rhel stuff not ubuntu

Ubuntu is just heavily known by windows users so there will be a lot of users

[civic reef]

What process was binning again?

[inland dome]

I dont wanna do the (admittedly not much) work to do the swap, but Im probably going to need to

[devout ridge]

so fun fact, Mark is an industry professional, he knows what he's talking about

[burnt socket]

oh god i can't catch up a distro war

[maiden prairie]

It's the only one we have, distrowatch is way way way worse since it's just clicks on this website, effectively showing popularity of researched distro on this specific website not installed ones

[keen wigeon]

Ubuntu has been standard OS for enterprise desktop/AI/ML for years and years and years and years on top of that. RHEL/CentOS (RIP) is also an industry standard OS 🙂 Just because the community uses random distros doesn't mean that Ubuntu is not a top player

[livid flame]

This is the same. It’s just install steam for extra steps

[brittle trellis]

Ubuntu server is huuuuuge

[inland dome]

Basically that thing where that guy smashed two m and ms together, ate the one that lost, repeated this over the container, and the last one standing is the m and m king, then that process is repeated for each m and m until you have a set of m and ms that are really good

[keen wigeon]

plus there's no fuckery with ubuntu and I'm not paying for it

so there's that

[maiden prairie]

Well with steam hardware survey we at least measure what's really installed

[steel stream]

nah man they are the goats of binning lol, chiplet makes it so easy to bin

[livid flame]

Ubuntu is also known to Linux users way more than windows

[burnt socket]

arch users that are keeping quiet is wild

[livid flame]

No you don’t

[civic reef]

Oh so just QC

[brisk jolt]

nah fuck them I'm still salty about my bins

[keen wigeon]

I like arch 🙂 I liked manjaro but that seems to have taken a dirt nap

[livid flame]

No where in the steam survey does it say “this hardware is used to play games” or even list what games are played on what hardware.

[civic reef]

Explains why I hear the smart people here complaining about getting bad chips from AMD

[inland dome]

Basically, it's just testing cores until you can make a really good cpu with the best of the best

[livid flame]

Steam survey is easily manipulated by bots just as the next surveying tool is

[inland dome]

Ideally at least

[burnt socket]

I have not entered arch.

[civic reef]

And I assume AMD accidentally forgets a few iffy M&Ms in the bag?

[livid flame]

Who doesn’t

QC processes look at a % of a batch

[burnt socket]

how do people still play steam games on macos

[inland dome]

And its own errors, like recognizing igpus in systems with gpus as a gpu in use

[livid flame]

For example where I work, it’s 3%

[livid flame]

OSRS

[burnt socket]

of course

[keen wigeon]

Its fine. I like it. Am I going to use it in anything other than something like steamos? No. I don't need or want to make my computers a hobby just to keep them running. It is an appliance to me.

[inland dome]

Yeah, cant look at every single one and expect to make a profit

[burnt socket]

the special treatment for an ecosystem

[inland dome]

Too much effort to literally test every core they make

[keen wigeon]

I turn it on and it works. If it doesnt? I redeploy the OS.

[burnt socket]

nvm it's a game

[livid flame]

No, that is what they do. They accumulate loss to bulk on the finalisation. You always view each product as profit

[inland dome]

I dont know how they get such bad (when they're meant to be) binned cpus sometimes, to be honest

[civic reef]

What do you do? - If that's alright to ask, ofcourse

[inland dome]

I know another factor in the process is they will recognize when particular cores in the cpu just aren't up to par, and those ones get turned off

Thats just about the only difference that makes a 9600x different from a 9700x

[steel stream]

yeah there's two ways to view "binning"

[inland dome]

At least as I know

[livid flame]

I’m a product manager for fresh produce going into UK supermarkets

[inland dome]

Binning is basically just comparison, its such a wide concept depending on how you employ it

[civic reef]

How does that go? How do you dictate good & bad batches?

What's done when a significant percentage is bad?

[inland dome]

One cpu can be better than another, one ccd better than another, one core better than another, one molecule of silicon being better than another, and so on, then there's how they get compared against each other that matters

The perfect method for binning probably just cant be realistically employed, so they do the best they can (profitably) to produce cpus

[civic reef]

All this talk is making me miss the days when building a desktop was viable 💔

[inland dome]

I mean who's gonna notice a 0.1% performance and 0.5C difference on one core, may as well categorize both as the same tier of core

[civic reef]

Now the bloody thing will just get bombed

[inland dome]

The conspiracy theorist part of me thinks they're intentionally driving prices up with AI so they can sell cloud pc subscriptions

I dont know how crazy a thought that is at the moment

[civic reef]

It's less so prices for me and moreso just security

[inland dome]

Like with Claude Mythos, or something else?

[civic reef]

I don't want to build a machine with a socket 1700/1851/1815 CPU w/ a 3090 or 4070 or such and have it BOMBED

[steel stream]

AMD is just a huge fan of profit margins, and will do anything to keep them high

[civic reef]

Last time it was a 1050 Ti
Don't want a 3090 to be next on the chopping block

[inland dome]

Which is why they probably have a pretty wide categorization of what makes a "bin tier" core

[shell void]

cute

[civic reef]

Specific CPUs not even managing 6400 ❤️

[inland dome]

If the m and m doesn't crumble as bad, its still bin tier

[inland dome]

Yeah like this, its clear by binning they mean hardly at all if at all

That or I'm broadly overestimating the consistency of a good core, and all the others literally just dont work

[civic reef]

Waiting for the inevitable JEDEC only chip,,,,,

[arctic bronze]

M and m?

[shell void]

gpus aren’t binned by aibs at all

you can get a god tier 5090 ventus and a horrible 5090 lightning

[inland dome]

M&M if you're willing to go into the special characters and find it every single time you say it

With how frequently I am, but not doing so frequently enough to know where the ampersand is on a phone, thats too much

[arctic bronze]

Well when i see "and" instead of "&" i read it differently lmao. I read it like "m, and, m" like an abbreviation

[inland dome]

Oh lmao

[arctic bronze]

Thats why i was confused lol

[livid flame]

Technically by defect level. Experienced enough I can just look at a few trays and say yay or nay these days

[burnt socket]

the what

the shut up and take my money?

[inland dome]

Great, good, mediocre, bad, failure is a decent amount of dissertation Id imagine?

[steel stream]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gamers-are-now-running-ps3-games-on-ps5-through-linux-and-rpcs3

[inland dome]

Hell, maybe one of the two positive ones could be removed

[inland dome]

Could they not before?

[steel stream]

no

[minor herald]

:cry only works on old firmware

[inland dome]

And what's this about backwards compatibility they preach?

[steel stream]

i dunno

[inland dome]

Only to ps4?

[minor herald]

lol

[steel stream]

yeah I think most PS4 games work

[inland dome]

Glad I didn't fall for the hype damn

[inland dome]

Im sorry, MOST?

Not even all the ps4 games???

[steel stream]

yeah there are some weird ones that I think don't work anymore

[inland dome]

Bare minimum is at least all of one library Id expect

[granite dirge]

anyone know of a usa chain that i can go to that should have a usb copy of windows 11?

[inland dome]

All of ps4 alone would be fine if they didnt talk so much about being backwards compatible, but they were talking it up like we could do ps3

[minor herald]

the ps4 is very not the same to ps3 in terms of hardware

[shell void]

IDGASAV

[inland dome]

I guess, but thats still a shocker

[steel stream]

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/microsoft-windows-11-home-usb-flash-drive-physical-english/J3ZKK5V4QQ bestbuy supposedly

[granite dirge]

thanks,

[steel stream]

what

[inland dome]

Oh, the ps3 came out in 2006

Yikes.

[granite dirge]

now to try and figure out what to do in that town when bestbuy opens, since, most places dont serve lunch food that early

[topaz veldt]

Nah not well

[steel stream]

Ah, though you might and get a kick out of the fact that people were using my road as a driving range last night

Just had a driver and where whacking them down the street

[pure garnet]

that just sounds unreasonable

[shell void]

i don’t give a shit about viltrum

[steel stream]

are you sure?

[shell void]

this is insane

[steel stream]

it's not nice to do that

[lime obsidian]

imagine being so useless you have to buy a windows usb at best buy

[granite dirge]

wow your lovely

[lime obsidian]

it is pretty expensive for just a usb stick but if you dont have access to another computer you are basically stuck

[granite dirge]

its almost like im trying to place my win10 usb stick i have and get a new license, or... maybe even i just want a simpler experience, but who would know you just joined a server today and decided to insult someone,

anywho, Akn and michaael, if im not using some extra m.2s in my system , since i only use less than half of one of the 3 in my system, should i remove it or are they not taking any resources?

[lime obsidian]

yeah people get way too elitist over the smallest things it really isnt a big deal how you get the os installed

[granite dirge]

elitest? you literally came in and called me uselless?

[frail beacon]

I'm not sure if we are supposed to share this here btw
Maybe take a look at the #rules just incase

[lime obsidian]

wait i didnt say that i think you got the wrong person. the other person was the one being rude i was actually agreeing with you that it doesnt matter how you get it installed and that people are just being elitist for no reason

[pure garnet]

i’m not akn or michael but nvmes have their own separate lanes so you don’t take away resources by using them

[steel stream]

should be fine

[pure garnet]

removing them would just disconnect them but you’re not “freeing” them since they’re electrically wired to just that slot

[lime obsidian]

it really wont make a difference if you leave them in or not so you might as well keep the extra storage just in case you need it later

[granite dirge]

ahh, welp, that saves some time today, thanks aakn and kyoko,

[lime obsidian]

wait @frail beacon what was i not supposed to share? i didn't post any links so i'm not sure what you're talking about

[granite dirge]

you can stop gaslighting me i havee receipts,

[frail beacon]

I have no idea if we can share that here, but I haven't seen anyone directly link it or mention the command directly

[lime obsidian]

the only receipt you should worry about is the one for that windows drive youre too stupid to make yourself

[frail beacon]

You could say this in a different way without being rude 😭

[steel stream]

I think it's meant to be rude lol

[lime obsidian]

nobody invited the hall monitor

[frail beacon]

Without being rude, you could easily create a USB installer for windows if you have any other computer with you. But getting one installer is also fine, but the other option is cheaper and faster

[lime obsidian]

still typing for an audience of zero

[civic reef]

Pretty sure

[granite dirge]

hum, i wonder what <@&750150305383186585>erator

[lime obsidian]

calling for backup is embarrassing

[civic reef]

You're being an ass and no one here wants to see it

[granite dirge]

ellli you joined the server today , the force is not witht you

[civic reef]

Sounds like enough reason to call mods

[lime obsidian]

then look away and stay mad

[civic reef]

I am not mad, I'll I've done till now is just read lmao

[civic reef]

Dependant on CPU & Board

[pure garnet]

that’s one way to make friends

[civic reef]

The dunce cap is a great way to attract new pals

[granite dirge]

between you calling me useless, sharing powershell piracy, , gasliighting me then insullting me further, ... yeah you really are entertaining me elli, but your a little early for revenge of the 6th,

[steel stream]

@lime obsidian what happened?

[arctic bronze]

Hello

[civic reef]

They're muted, can't say anything

[steel stream]

someones a little muted or smth

[arctic bronze]

Got hit with the "speak'nt"

[civic reef]

I don't even understand what the argument was about

Were they just pissed off that you wanted to buy a win11 key??

[pure garnet]

because she’s buying a windows 10 usb over making one which is fine

[granite dirge]

they said im useless for buy it,

[granite dirge]

11

becuase the usb also includes a lliscense

[civic reef]

Why???

[arctic bronze]

Yeah making one is free lol, as long as you have a 8GB or bigger usb drive

[pure garnet]

yeah but there’s nothing wrong with buying one with the license if you want

[arctic bronze]

You dont need a license to use windows too

[granite dirge]

i dont need my right hand , but i still wear my prostetic,

[arctic bronze]

Yeah true, id rather just show someone how to make one if they have the usb and a device to make the boot usb

[smoky orbit]

We’re going back to the same conversation that already happened qwq

[arctic bronze]

Lol, i was not here during that so idk what was said, i just saw the very last bit

[smoky orbit]

You have a prosthetic hand/arm? please tell me you can/have put stickers on it

[granite dirge]

hmm, not sure what else i should do, to killl the time between best buy opening and when food plalces stop breakfast,

[granite dirge]

paint not stickerrs

[frail beacon]

Is the USB + license cheaper than just getting a license online?

[smoky orbit]

Really? That’s soooooooo sick

[steel stream]

ruh roh raggy

[smoky orbit]

If you count the time you spend downloading the iso and flashing it maybe

[granite dirge]

cheaper than my struggle to go to the same store buy a ausb drive drive home , try to look at how to make the installer, then deal with some sort of 3rd party key site, and dit possibly not working ,and my time involved, to just, get the thing at the same store, and then just do a fresh install...

[inland dome]

I mean at least enough to where the ones that dont are super obscure, I dont mean they all need ps5 remakes or anything

Shovelware could be left out easily

Disc releases should definitely be compatible though

[frail beacon]

Ahh understandable
I hope it goes well

[frank zealot]

buying Win10 after it's already EoL? lolwut

[inland dome]

Maybe I'm spoiled by the wii, it has a GameCube built in pretty much

But it also basically is a GameCube if I recall correctly on its specs

[granite dirge]

i mean i woulld rather drive to microcenter and posisbly meet tkitch, but thats a drive like 40 mins additional in the oposiate direction,

[frank zealot]

98% of a gamecube is built into most Wii units 😄

[frank zealot]

There;s also a non-zero chance that I just show up at your work one weekend, because I can lol

[inland dome]

Then again both a 3060 and a 5090 are still pcs and the 5090 is running any game that could on a 3060, if anything it makes less sense a ps5 isnt compatible with any ps4 game it can potentially have

[frank zealot]

wat

[granite dirge]

i mean, ill be grumpy if you did on a weekend, its hell at ikea on weekends, my department is losing, 2 employees, and ya girl just moved to 10 hour shifts,

[frail beacon]

If you have any USB with you already, using that is easier. But if you don't have that, then yes the bestbuy thing seems a good idea

I don't remember the last time I bought a windows license wow

[frank zealot]

I work on the NH Border, I ain't driving there on a weekday

[granite dirge]

i do not,

[pure garnet]

the ones that aren’t compatible are usually titles that rely on external hardware that doesn’t work with the new one

[inland dome]

I mean the difference between a ps4 and ps5 is pretty much just cpu/gpu innit?

[inland dome]

Cannot live without Ape Escape 2 😔

[smoky orbit]

the os

[frank zealot]

and the software/OS running it.

So basically all of it.

[inland dome]

Ah, that did change beyond the skin?

I honestly wouldnt have thought so

[frank zealot]

do you not know how consoles work?

[frail beacon]

We need a poll to see how many Windows users are using legit licenses

[granite dirge]

the SOC, the cooling system, the fans not sounding like a jet engine, the possiblity of going fully digital out the box, the appearence, hdmi spec, ports,

[inland dome]

Dunno, thought this generation was a different case

[granite dirge]

the controller has drastically differnt tech inside,

[frank zealot]

it was absolutely not

[granite dirge]

i could literally go on,

[inland dome]

Yeah thats true, fair enough

[frail beacon]

Outside of companies and laptops with pre-activated windows, I would say it's less than 20%?

[granite dirge]

besides the fact that the native resolution of aa PS4 not ps4 pro, is drastically different to a Ps5 non pro aas well,

[frank zealot]

"Outside of the vast majority of computers sold...."

[civic reef]

I've been running unactivated w10 my entire life

[inland dome]

True, though to be fair, half of those are cosmetic and the other half are also found between gpu generations, if you dont consider some minor things like the ps5 actually interacting with the new stuff in its controller it could very well be possible to just reuse the OS and get like 99% of the way to a PS5's functionality if you know what I mean

[frank zealot]

Build your own PC is a fuckin' edge case for desktop PC usage.

We're in a FAIRLY SMALL MINORITY of computer users.

Well over 90-something percent of users go to Best Buy or Costco and just buy a fuckin' PC.

Even most gamers just buy a pre-built PC over building one.

[inland dome]

I feel like security is really where the OS change actually becomes apparent, wouldnt want the ps5 to be cracked with the same method

[frail beacon]

I meannn
If people had a choice to buy laptops without activated windows, people would choose that and then activate it themselves using some scripts

my point is that when you give people a choice, people prefer to obtain it through other means instead of buying it online

[frank zealot]

no they fucking wouldn't.

Outside of a very small subset of nerds, they would still just buy windows.

[granite dirge]

i guarentee that the majority of users, wouldnt know what the activation was , or even what a script is,

[frail beacon]

In USA (or entire North America), what you are saying might be correct. But when we include the rest of the world, that's not really the case.

[inland dome]

Thats true, OEMs are built with their own firmware and sometimes even custom hardware, but even so I feel like with enough experience in it, making the ps4 OS basically identical (at least at face value) to the ps5 OS is easy enough, you just have to consider the limitations the ps4 OS had that wouldnt work with ps5 features

Which is to say, yeah if you think about it, no reason it would make sense its the same OS

[frank zealot]

no, in china and some other countries, they just sell PCs with hacked windows out the door.
Which isn't really a fair comparison

[inland dome]

There's just some functionalities the ps5 has that the ps4 OS probably wouldnt allow

Haptic triggers for instance, probably no way to signify you want that on a ps4 os without at least modifying some of its instruction set

[livid flame]

They would because it says not activated windows on their screens and then they ask the simple question

[frank zealot]

BTW:
North America, Europe, Australia, UK, Japan, and plenty of other areas all behave the exact same way.

[granite dirge]

also when ppresenting ti to a consumer, hi ,would you like to buy a device with some features locked away but you can pay more money at a later time or commit a crime, to unlock them. vs, would you like to pay a little more to have all the features unlocked out the gate.... peoplle will pay the extra

[frail beacon]

Yes, the people that sell those PCs get the parts, assemble it, activate windows without paying money and then sell it. That still comes under using pirated windows...

[livid flame]

You’ve bought an electric bmw then?

Horsepower behind paywalls

[frank zealot]

Are your goalposts on a kart? Cuz they ain't sittin still

[frail beacon]

The "extra" that you are talking about is way too steep for an average user though

[late atlas]

Correct

[frank zealot]

no it's not.

[civic reef]

They'd probably not even know that Windows isn't built into a PC and can come unactivated if they don't get the watermark

[granite dirge]

their is one bmw i want and i dont even know if it was real

[inland dome]

Not activating windows is a punishment mainly directed towards early gen oled users and perfectionists who don't want to use linux no matter what I would think

[late atlas]

Most people just use computers and don't know anything about them

[granite dirge]

what?

[livid flame]

https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehicles/bmw-doubles-down-on-divisive-car-subscription-features-but-admits-its-heated-seats-furore-was-a-mistake

[frank zealot]

most of what's locked away is display and customization stuff.

[civic reef]

I didn't activate Windows but the watermark just.. Left all by itself

[inland dome]

Burn in and watermarks

[civic reef]

I could also change my background too

[inland dome]

On an early gen oled that would probably actually leave a mark after enough time

A perfectionist would pay the $140 just to not see that watermark

[livid flame]

Additional horsepower, heated seats, adaptive cruise control… like loads of features people do as standard

[civic reef]

That feature has been gone recently but the watermark still hasn't clocked in yet

[granite dirge]

so how does that only punish early generaton, oled ppannell users, and people who dont want to use linux?

[frail beacon]

I found this

[inland dome]

You lose practically nothing of value if you dont activate windows

[livid flame]

I lose pixel space

[frank zealot]

I was talking about Windows.
I didn't know Windows had heated seats as an option. I just thought that was normal for the CPUs.

[inland dome]

It really only has a meaningful impact if the watermark annoys you or it has a possibility of leaving damage on your monitor

[granite dirge]

unliscensed software, not operating systems which your original argument was windows, your moving goal posts,

[civic reef]

That's 37% of all software, not 37% of Windows

[livid flame]

So I give someone from a third world country £10 on a third party site

[livid flame]

I thought you meant the bmw thing

[civic reef]

Okay I have a funny-ish idea

[frank zealot]

My toyota came with heated seats as a "not an option"

[pure garnet]

having half the setting app disabled at a given time is annoying actually

[civic reef]

MAS & a license directly from MS at the same time

[livid flame]

In the future it will probably be tied to kernel level anti cheat and functionality and it makes sense. As kernel level scripting from third parties shouldn’t be allowed to be run on something that isn’t up to date. It’s just a security nightmare.

[civic reef]

Since it's (+) & (-) would my Windows just become 0

[inland dome]

Half? I honestly dont know what unactivated windows was like, I thought it was just wallpaper and you have a wallpaper

[slim pebble]

You can pick up a ProArt for like $400 or less if you’re brave enough to try a refurb.

[livid flame]

I probably just gave an MS employee a paywall idea if there’s any in here

[granite dirge]

welp ive killed enough time, off to drive to best buy gegt my win 11 usb key, and then get alot of fastfood from two locations, then come home and start a fresh install, and then do some cooking toodles

[late atlas]

Do you guys remember when lexus and razer had a collaboration?

[leaden dawn]

..lol

[livid flame]

Was it a controller as a steering wheel?

[late atlas]

No no, RGB all over the car, logos and decals, and built in computers I think, let me get a picture

[leaden dawn]

Oof.

[inland dome]

Was under the idea that it was just not being allowed to set a wallpaper and having a watermark unless I was wrong 🤷

[rotund drift]

so my monitor died
can yall help me with budget 240hz gaming monitors? i play overwatch

[leaden dawn]

right clicks image on desktop ooooops I set my wallpaper

[viscid vale]

looks ai generated

[inland dome]

Damn, I gave too much credit to them 😭

[late atlas]

This was before ai got good at generating images, it's also real like I'm not kidding

[inland dome]

Oh and of course you can also just get rid of that watermark if you want

[frail beacon]

Here's my original point, without changing any goalposts
My assumption is that (since I dont have any data to back up my claim, nor is any data on this available from my limited research), less than 20% of people outside of companies and laptops with pre-activated windows, have actually went out of their way to purchase legit licenses.

Maybe you could include "desktops with LEGIT pre activated windows" in this excemption critera. If any system in China or India or any other country is being sold with pirated pre activated windows, it will make up the 80% in my assumption/ calculation (that is, people that do not have a legit license)

[late atlas]

@livid flame 2 images above, razer car

[inland dome]

Windows activation only punishes early gen oled users and perfectionists who do not know how to bypass its limits*

[livid flame]

This was a reference to the ocean gate titan sub

[viscid vale]

ik but it just looks so, they didnt choose the top model of lexus suv either

[leaden dawn]

More advanced but yea, possible.

[late atlas]

I don't think so

[slim pebble]

I wish someone would tell me, why does the glacial top the charts?

I figured it had to be something in the BIOS. Power delivery algorithm. Sustained CPU frequency, etc.

[pure garnet]

it tops the price chart

[inland dome]

My guess is 90%

[leaden dawn]

Early gen oled users were punished by the static elements of the desktop anyway unless they did their own mitigations

[inland dome]

Yeah, but having activate windows as a permanent watermark is another thing

[livid flame]

Think about it. Game controller. Steering wheel reference.

[late atlas]

Maybe, but the question here is

Would you buy and use the razer car?

Imagine your kids or just passengers playing god of war or something in the back whilst you go on a roadtrip

[inland dome]

I dont even trust Razer's keyboards

[brisk jolt]

it’ll break within the first 4km

[livid flame]

They’re better than the mice

[late atlas]

At least you'll look cool on the tow truck

[livid flame]

More like you’ll look like a dork

[brisk jolt]

nah thats immense auraloss

[inland dome]

Their mice are actually kinda decent, are you sure?

The death adder v3 wired is actually a pretty good deal on sale

[livid flame]

Razer take PixArt sensors and reprogram them…. That’s why Razer mice sensors fuck up so often

[inland dome]

Aside from that no

[livid flame]

Deathaddsr OG is good

[late atlas]

I mean if lexus made the actual car and engine and etc etc, it shouldn't break down

[inland dome]

Their mice are kinda decent if you get them cheaper than they are and they're the few good ones*

[livid flame]

No one else reprograms a PixArt sensors. Even Logitech just renames them based on specification

[leaden dawn]

No.

[frank zealot]

@edgy laurel
Do I tell Edward about this? 😉
https://slickdeals.net/f/19469460-34-99-zalman-cubix-compact-pc-case-micro-atx-mini-itx-dtx-small-form-factor-usb-3-0-fits-standard-atx-psu-white-at-newegg

[brisk jolt]

you cant escape the razer trash curse regardless

[late atlas]

The car may be cursed yeah

Also you'd be just a driving advertisement basically

[inland dome]

Razer's logo being on a product is basically a "do not buy" stamp for me

[livid flame]

Razer think they can do better than PixArt and that’s part of the expense in a Razer mouse.

[inland dome]

But then they go and charge more for something worse 🤦‍♂️

[leaden dawn]

My basilisk wasn't worth shit.

And despite being on Linux now, i still don't want to think about dealing with their software

[livid flame]

Most PixArt sensors are $3-$10. Most mice don’t have fancy technology and are $60+ and in reality you pay fuck all for the mouse and most money for a plastic mould and marketing

The only mouse I’ve see lately that actually has new technology to give an expense is the super strike

[inland dome]

Right, most mice are literally just charging for RND, if that

Thats best case actually

[livid flame]

Razer have a department to recode PixArt because they believe they refine it better. However most new Razer mice lines have sensor fails until v3 onwards

[inland dome]

Most of the time its just brand recognition, a little for RND, and the rest for marketing

[leaden dawn]

RND is fine. If you actually improve the product and dont charge out the ass for it because of it then whatever

[inland dome]

I mean what, you're paying for an ultra cheap sensor, barely any plastic, etc

You're mostly paying for how they shape the plastic

[livid flame]

I looked into building my own mouse and it was like £25. + shipping from China. The biggest cost to me was shipping + buying 1 mould/buttons. buying in bulk of 10,000 units it would have cost £16 + shipping

[inland dome]

Specialized shape and structure means more money, brand recognition means even more

[inland dome]

Mice vs Soda cost per unit

[livid flame]

Generic brand PCBs for mice, buttons, wheels, PixArt 33xx sensors, mould etc. easy to get, cheap.

IIRC usb c was like 50p more than usb a for charging

[inland dome]

Probably even including some really good 2.4ghz or something?

[livid flame]

Which is actually quite expensive in bulk

[pure garnet]

there’s plenty of chinese clone mice out for 50-80 bucks of popular shapes but you sacrifice warranty/software quality

[late atlas]

Sell it on Facebook marketplace

[livid flame]

The biggest problem goober is I don’t have the skills to code software and connect to the sensor/pcb

I’d have to do that too

[inland dome]

Right, thatd be annoying

[fervent chasm]

Just put it on Facebook put locally hand made (don’t say by little kids in sweatshops) and sell em for $100 each

[livid flame]

But yeah mice are high margin products for some big brand names like Razer who honestly, do a dogshit job compared to budget mice brands

[pure garnet]

the viper line is like the most popular mouse rn

[fervent chasm]

You can get nice for $4 on aliexpress lol

[inland dome]

Even with how little you know though, surely you couldn't come up with something as bad as synapse?

[livid flame]

£100 Razer or £20 aura mouse? Don’t get the Razer.

[pure garnet]

razer is doing fine with the v3 pro/v4 pro

[inland dome]

Razer software is quite literally one of the few instances of deleteware

[fervent chasm]

I just hate that synapse tries to install itself each time I plug in my mouse or headset

[livid flame]

Yeah. Once they get the bugs worked out they fucked up on the sensor, like I said at v3, you’ll get a decent mouse

[inland dome]

Literally just set your stuff and delete it, hardly any other software I do that to

[livid flame]

I just don’t understand why Razer fuck around with pixarts programming tbh

[pure garnet]

the viper ultimate and v2 pro were just different shaped mice?

[livid flame]

Guaranteed they fucked around with the sensor for v2

[inland dome]

Ive had a razer keyboard (that I didnt buy with my money mind you), and a DAv3 Wireless, which I got for $30 (£22)

The mouse was actually pretty good since it was equivalent to a DAv3 Pro minus the fact its wired only, but I swapped that out on account of it being wired only

Good choice too, a wireless mouse honestly feels surprisingly amazing compared to what I expected it to

[pure garnet]

the keyboards i know nothing about but the mice have been fine/competitive for years

logitech being the only relevant player changed years ago

[inland dome]

https://youtu.be/Ifqsc9p29Jo?si=baj_MmuXP8JWKEvV

[pure garnet]

is a broken stabilizer damning evidence or something

[inland dome]

No its just an overexaggeration, but the stabilizers suck even when they arent broken

[pure garnet]

so do every gaming boards

[inland dome]

As do the switches, and the software, and just about everything else

But they also have the gall to charge like $150

You can get a keyboard 50 times as good for like 1/2-2/3 the price

I would genuinely consider grabbing a membrane keyboard before a razer with the clicky green switches

[civic reef]

Decent keyboards are like $35-50

[rotund drift]

https://ksp.co.il/web/item/439659 is this monitor okay?

[civic reef]

After that, you're kinda paying for brand more than anything tbh

[inland dome]

And a really terrible one is $100+ if you look at razer

[civic reef]

Lol

That dead stab reminds me of my A4Tech Bloody B318

It only had that after 8 years of use

[pure garnet]

back in my day i remember having to spend $100 to get a mech

never mind a good one

[civic reef]

Glad I was too young to know of mechanicals back then ❤️

[pure garnet]

i think around covid is when it started tipping

[inland dome]

I think Razer just didnt get the memo that this changed

[pure garnet]

neither did literally any other gaming brand

corsair will still gladly take $200 from you for a k95

[frank zealot]

you can easily get a good keyboard for sub-100 bucks. Sometimes, depending on what you want, 40-60 is still in the doable range

[inland dome]

Yeah but razer doesnt make good things, at least corsair has decent power supplies and Im sure other gaming brands make stuff too

Corsair software is bad, but again, razer software

[pure garnet]

i mean razer makes nice laptops since that somehow correlates

[late atlas]

Wanna see what keyboard I got my mum, it's a sexy keyboard

[frank zealot]

The Keychron K10 Pro is around 90 bucks, for Wired or BT Wireless

And it's a damn solid keyboard, with mac or windows functionality built in

[fervent chasm]

I feel like the issues here are nitpicky, because I’ve never needed software for my keyboard, and my razer keyboard is also just fine

[late atlas]

Damn Daniel

[inland dome]

I mean Ive heard theyre like the worst about repairs though, like even apple looks like a consumer's best friend compared to then as I hear

[late atlas]

Spitting facts

[pure garnet]

i’m honestly just hearing the same old shit i’ve heard for years

[fervent chasm]

I like their keyboard, I got my razer for $20

[frank zealot]

most brands haven't shipped drivers that were straight up malware vectors.

Razer can't say that.

[fervent chasm]

It works

[inland dome]

For the price, youre paying for like 6 pretty good keyboards but getting one mediocre one instead

[steel stream]

I should upgrade my keyboard this summer hmm

[inland dome]

Razer is mostly good if youre not using their software and paying like 20 bucks for their thing

[fervent chasm]

I mean, why would you pay more than like $50 for a keyboard

It shouldn’t cost more than that for something good

[frank zealot]

because a set of 100 switches can cost more than 50 bucks?

[green marsh]

while i would prefer to have AM5 based LLM server, i think i will keep my old 2950x + X399 + 64GB RAM setup which works just fine and i paid for it years ago (only the GPUs, PSU and case are new)

[fervent chasm]

On their own?

[frank zealot]

yes

[fervent chasm]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re marked up like crazy

But I’m sure the company mass produces them or buys in bulk where it’s insanely cheap

[frank zealot]

Welcome to fucking capitalism. Here's your card.

[inland dome]

Keyboards, especially customization becomes really expensive

[inland dome]

^

[late atlas]

Pov: @pseudo bane with his £900 keyboard

Or more expensive probably

[frank zealot]

Eva has a kinda unhealthy relationship with keyboards.

Sorta like Plouffe does

[inland dome]

My keyboard probably has like $155 total, keyboard included

[late atlas]

It's a double sided sword

[rotund drift]

should i spend 54 dollars more on the same monitor for ergonomics like swivel height adjustment and pivot?

[late atlas]

Do you need that? If so, yes

[inland dome]

Just went with a Womier SK75 (Rainy 75 Clone) and Gateron Banana Smoothies (Pre-lubed mid weight tactiles with a very smooth feel)

[rotund drift]

idk ive never tried those

[late atlas]

They're more convenient and comfier

[inland dome]

If they dont sound that useful for your needs, they probably aren't (though they might be if you just cant imagine a use at the moment)