tech-chat-2

[inland dome]

^

[low sorrel]

It's the cheapest 4070ti on the market

[inland dome]

They should have focused on those by the way

[pure garnet]

call your senator man

[fading steppe]

CUDA? Deep Learning?

[edgy laurel]

they simply need to stop putting things under the DLSS name, as I mentioned before. Its not helping their cause when it comes to education

[inland dome]

CUDA is a coding language, apps that use CUDA can be accelerated with CUDA Cores. Deep Learning is basically what AI does, it looks at a ton of samples and uses them for whatever may be desired

[low sorrel]

Why

[inland dome]

Exactly, especially when they're calling those "enhancements" DLSS5 like it's going to be enabled by default as long as DLSS5 upscaling is

[turbid locust]

She deep learns on my CUDA till I ray trace

[edgy laurel]

i'm pretty confident this new addition won't be directly tied to any of the others

[wraith steeple]

[inland dome]

I hope it won't, but it definitely ain't good to put that under the DLSS name, especially in this climate

[random flame]

Hrrrmmm... If only they shamelessly gave the irl version a swan beak, then I'd accept it. Lol.

[inland dome]

I wish they made money or something from dlss model features succeeding in particular so they could tell the 'enhancements' aren't doing well

[turbid locust]

funny “make my game look the same but way more performance” button go brrr

[inland dome]

^

Should be that, DLSS4.5 feels like its just that

[turbid locust]

That’s how I use DLSS

[inland dome]

Run on balanced, get near if not basically native image quality, generate 3 frames per frame, suddenly the game is incredibly well performing

DLSS4.5 is legit

As long as you can turn the neural enhancements off, DLSS5 hopefully just does the same but even better

[karmic pendant]

GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[turbid locust]

I don’t care if I can get 600fps on a game I’m probably turning on DLSS Quality anyway

[inland dome]

AMD has the opportunity to do the funniest thing and show how FSR4 doesn't do this

[low sorrel]

@pure garnet same price

4070ti super

but it's a 1 hour drive and a 1 hour ferry away

[random flame]

Oh Lord, I recognized what happened with this instantly. xD

[shell void]

DLSS 5 turned harrison ford into ai generated henry cavill

[edgy laurel]

AMD's version. Native vs. FSR4.5

[inland dome]

I especially don't like how it kinda eugenicizes the characters, it removes anything that could be percieved as a 'flaw'

[inland dome]

Fair enough lmao

[low sorrel]

hey fsr 4.5 is pretty good

expect for the fact like 2 games uspport it

[edgy laurel]

go with the joke, jerry

[low sorrel]

pretty good if good was a ps2 graphics

[pallid marsh]

Ferry cost like 80 cad right?

[pure garnet]

hop on the ferry unc

[low sorrel]

20 cad

[pallid marsh]

For no car?

[low sorrel]

for car at night

[random flame]

Basically, the same problem with a lot of AI image models. They get nearly everything wrong somehow.

[low sorrel]

OH MY GOD THEY INCRESAED THE PRICES

[pallid marsh]

Yeah

[tepid mason]

This case looks so nice i think imma get it in like a month

[cosmic gazelle]

@turbid locust if I’m in a lancool 207 is there a reason I shouldn’t be able to run 65535

400w gpu

[lilac ice]

idk man 5 makes video games look like ai slop

[pure garnet]

micron won’t do 65535

[cosmic gazelle]

oh ok

32767?

[pure garnet]

it’s like 49172 or something that it maxed at

[cosmic gazelle]

oh weird

[pure garnet]

@merry stirrup what’s the micron max refi again

[inland dome]

That is what that says

[cosmic gazelle]

if there’s like a forum post people go off of for d5 tuning would you mind sending the link

[pure garnet]

there might be one on overclock.net

i just use buildzoid videos usually though

[blazing ivy]

DLSS 4.5 model L is seriously impressive, I override all my games to use it now in the app, more expensive then M but looks better

[inland dome]

I think both presets are actually fantastic

[blazing ivy]

nvidia recommends ultra performance with it but really balanced and quality is fine

[inland dome]

Dlss4.5 made me realize just how good a tool it can be

Dlss5 made me realize how bad it can be for the industry

[blazing ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQf2ZSkvduM
I wait for LTT's video on it

[cosmic gazelle]

i found out that tras is meaningless on am5 last night from mac, weird stuff

[lilac ice]

https://imgur.com/8oizVh3

haha

[pure garnet]

it’s gonna be a long day

[cosmic gazelle]

fheres no fucking way this is official nvidia media

[pure garnet]

it’s a really old pic

[cosmic gazelle]

what are they thinking

oh

[lilac ice]

this is just my gf before makeup and after makeup

[turbid locust]

damn

[cosmic gazelle]

bro just called his gf ai

[pure garnet]

would make sense

[edgy laurel]

everyone is going to keep popping in here to post the newest dlss meme they just found (thats surely not been posted already)

[lilac ice]

next time she's doing makeup i'm gonna call it dlss

[cosmic gazelle]

@pure garnet i can’t find any reliable information but some stuff says micron 16d die can do about 50k without a ram fan

so maybe i’ll just do 32767 and call it

[steel stream]

it's a really old twitter post, im not sure if it was bait or an actual post, but I posted the original earlier

[inland dome]

I made mine

[steel stream]

goodnews for the citizens of lttcord, BIOOC has been banned

[pure garnet]

who

[inland dome]

Who even is that

[edgy laurel]

what the devil did he do

it surely wasn't in tc2

[inland dome]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

[steel stream]

ban evading with alt, check #audio-tech

DMS and GoldenSound did some detective work and got him

[pallid marsh]

The Apple Polishing Cloth is NOT compatible with the new AirPods Max 2

[edgy laurel]

drama!

[steel stream]

it was a dude who used to be more active in TC2, and would just spew nonsense and bad takes

[steel stream]

fuck.

[inland dome]

I tested it, airpods max 2 got dirtier, truly unfortunate

[turbid locust]

lol

[steel stream]

I figured us old timers would get a kick out of it

ok this is the worst I've seen, and it's in an official video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50AdVMuxZE

[turbid locust]

Ok yeah that’s pretty egregious

[blazing ivy]

that was intresting to think about, so its all light, not changing the character geometry but lighting https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSkjzTgPUcpTnCllCN93JKbpIOzmJZGH9?si=ipk9QgIZIHQr7Gfi

[low sorrel]

When reflex warp

[inland dome]

How the hell are you changing jawlines and adding cheekbones without ai

[blazing ivy]

shadows and lighting

[steel stream]

yeah something is clearly off

[inland dome]

Like this ^?

Thats a completely different person

[blazing ivy]

and this isnt dlss 5

its someone saying it is but it isnt

did they even demo Indiana jones in the dlss 5 event?

[pure garnet]

so is every oled owner legally obligated to take a picture of it next to the crappiest lcd they can find

[low sorrel]

This was fake

[blazing ivy]

nope they didnt

[steel stream]

oh ive been baited

thanks for letting me know

[random flame]

. . . . .
Yep, I forgot what they were all about and stuff, so... Lol.

[inland dome]

Here's a whole cheekbone and mascara plus lip filler, don't know how light is doing that

[cosmic gazelle]

they done yassified RE

[inland dome]

Also, why leave it to nvidia to do the lighting, why not just make the game like that if thats your intent?

At best it looks like ai slop, at worst its just flat out getting rid of art direction

[steel stream]

still looks good though

[pure garnet]

it does but like

[inland dome]

Only if they oversaturate the oled too

[analog scroll]

what about this oled

[pure garnet]

have you ever owned a smurf spec ips display like that

[steel stream]

straight to the recycling center

[analog scroll]

from a barn actually

[steel stream]

no no, Im sending it straight to the recycling center

[inland dome]

The ocarina of time Id play on that

[analog scroll]

I do like the perfect blacks tho

[inland dome]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[analog scroll]

It's actually a pretty good one

digital adjustment

1024P

[blazing ivy]

yeah im curious about this too

[wraith steeple]

My first monitor was a 1024x768 CRT

[analog scroll]

also fun viewing angles

[wraith steeple]

[keen wigeon]

Hey I know that guy 🙂

[inland dome]

Its because it definitely is changing some geometry in these samples

[steel stream]

oh shit were you on the keynote today??

[merry stirrup]

9800 GX2 for 25$

damn thats worth it

[pallid marsh]

Do you get extra pay for being in the keynote?

[steel stream]

That's awesome Mark!

[analog scroll]

🔥

[inland dome]

Its possible it only works like that for some games, they did say you could turn off certain enhancements as a developer

[keen wigeon]

🙂

[steel stream]

he probs got another 5090

[inland dome]

Im assuming with RE:R they didn't turn off the ai slopifier

[analog scroll]

Or Half-Life Uplink

[steel stream]

Mark that looks like some sort of discord bot?

[inland dome]

"Jarvis, turn on the ai slop filter in my game with art direction as a focus"

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-erase-gif-1159901542694943356

[civic reef]

How much do you think I should realistically pay for a 2080 Ti

[inland dome]

It would be peak

[pallid marsh]

Under $200

[turbid locust]

200 USD maximum

[inland dome]

No more than 200

Yeah everyone here agrees

20 series was kinda disappointing no?

[pallid marsh]

No rtx games at launch

[civic reef]

That's the exact price I am finding them at lol

[turbid locust]

only because the 1080Ti existed and RT wasn’t implemented in anything yet

[analog scroll]

I mean it was first gen RT

[civic reef]

How about a 3060 Ti? Found one at $220

[inland dome]

In my head it goes 1080ti, 3090, 3090ti, 4090, 5090

[civic reef]

Though atp I might just go for a 4060 Ti 8GB at $270

[inland dome]

I don't even think of the 20 series as having a flagship

[analog scroll]

If I had to upgrade my GPU I'd want a 2080ti

[pallid marsh]

1080ti was matching the 2080 so the only real upgrade was a $1200 2080ti

[analog scroll]

but I don't need to upgrade so

[inland dome]

I'd take a 3070 base before a 2080ti 🤷‍♂️

[civic reef]

Wait what
Isn't the 2070S supposed to match the 1080 Ti

[pallid marsh]

2070 super did now with updates and new game engines

[turbid locust]

for context the 2080Ti is BARELY faster than a 5060 in rasterization. The 5060 literally nukes it in efficiency and feature set.

[analog scroll]

Ye but I don't really need any RTX stuff, I just think a 2080ti would be cool to have

[pallid marsh]

Also the 2070 super is basically a 2080 that wasn't up to snuff

[inland dome]

By that logic I still think the 1080ti was cooler

[analog scroll]

absolutely

[inland dome]

1080ti was literally like launching the Titan X at $649, the 2000 series was and imo is kinda pointless

[turbid locust]

The 2080Ti is an 11GB 3070

[inland dome]

Launched at an msrp of $1000 btw

[turbid locust]

fire

[pallid marsh]

I see both 1200 and 999 for the 2080ti msrp

[civic reef]

💔

[inland dome]

Im giving it benefit of the doubt and making it sound even cheaper

[civic reef]

As in.. Same power?

[inland dome]

I feel bad for anyone with the misfortune of buying a 20 series before the 30 series launched

[civic reef]

Because I can get those for $248 (3070)

[turbid locust]

Same performance

[inland dome]

I mean thats at least where my mind is with the 2000 series

It's just lame across the board

[pallid marsh]

You send me a regular full auto ak47 I send you rtx 5090

[civic reef]

What about an AKM

[pallid marsh]

Deal

[inland dome]

1080Ti > 2080Ti < 3070

[civic reef]

I can get you an AKM-S with an aftermarket cut barrel

Lightly used, sub 200 rounds I'd say

Underfolder stock

Though front iron has the top ring broken

[pallid marsh]

Just get it past US customs

[civic reef]

Internal sight post is intact

[inland dome]

Wet noodle kind of launch I mean, and what it offered was disappointing until it was pretty much irrelevant

[civic reef]

I've personally been able to use it effectively

1 round downrange per second, 2 metre spread, 30 metre distance

Though you may be more interested in a Syrian AKMS

That has a full length barrel, but you'll need to tighten the stock screw

[pallid marsh]

How do you have that but no rtx 5090

[civic reef]

Would the feature set of 30 series be worth losing the extra 3GB, and paying $48 more

[civic reef]

Because I don't own one
But they're cheap af

[turbid locust]

The feature set of the 30 series is quite literally the same as 20 series iirc

[civic reef]

Also I can get a 3060 Ti for $220

[civic reef]

Oh right
Both had DLSS CNN natively

[pallid marsh]

Because of some 1980s bill we can't import new full auto firearms so the AKs we do have are over $50k

[civic reef]

Also I am not American
Soviet arms aren't that expensive

[civic reef]

Well I don't think any that I can find you something manufactured before the 1980 bill

If you'd like I can get something from Lebanese army reserve inventory

G3s or FALs

Those are guaranteed 1990s and earlier

Only thing you'd need to replace is the barrel, and PSA probably has those for cheap

[pallid marsh]

They had to be in the US before 1986 😢

[inland dome]

What I dislike about the 20 series is that it is effectively what happens when the GTX745 succeeds the GTX660

[steel stream]

this is true

[civic reef]

Newer, but same power?

[civic reef]

Oh

Can't help you there mate

[steel stream]

lebron lebron lebron james

@turbid locust do you have a march madness bracket

[wraith steeple]

[inland dome]

Its absolute mid at best, yes its better but who in their right mind would look at the series and actually think "yeah I think an upgrade might be necessary", its just got absolutely no selling point in retrospect and the only reason its good now is because its just so cheap

[turbid locust]

I don’t follow sports but the fellas in the office are doing one so I’ll probably do one. Give me the sauce.

[steel stream]

oh I just picked randomly, I only care about one team lol

[civic reef]

@turbid locust
I'll settle for a 3060 Ti tbh

[steel stream]

just pick like no upsets and you wont lose

[civic reef]

The 3070 is outside my wattage, and I'd like to keep my system relatively low power

[gentle urchin]

Nobody used Nvidia betwen 8800/9800 series & GTX 900 series.
Everybody used ATI 4870 - AMD 290X those years.

[turbid locust]

3070 draws like 4 watts

[civic reef]

Isn't its recommended a 750W

[pallid marsh]

Is lebanon power grid stable yet?

[civic reef]

Oh wtf they're both 550W at a 220 TDP

[inland dome]

Yeah fair enough but the point stands, why upgrade when you get practically nothing

[civic reef]

Lebanon's power grid is stable, but corruption and xenophobia keep it unstable for "us"

I am still depending on solar systems

And now, since I am going to eventually buy a battery just for the PC, I'd like to keep the thing low wattage

[turbid locust]

Idfk bro

[steel stream]

just pick the team that is ranked higher

[turbid locust]

fire

[civic reef]

Anyway yeah, 3070 is just 20W more TDP lmfao

240W vs 220W

Still 8GB unfortunately, but that's okay

Wait.. Right, I am playing at 1440p (75Hz)

And that'll eventually be 1440p (165Hz)

Quite the dilemma

320W, $330

[inland dome]

I mean the gtx1000 series had incredible prices (not the titans), the rtx2000 series has a tad more performance, raytracing and dlss (which looked quite bad at this time) and games hardly support either at that point, the rtx3000 series has actually reasonable performance, more games to use the 20 series stuff on at launch too, but scalpers went crazy here on, the rtx4000s had really good dlss, frame gen, and raytracing became very much viable for performance, and the rtx5000 series has even better dlss, frame gen, and even multi-frame gen

The 2000 series, particularly at launch, just has no sauce

Sold on a feature that no game used yet

[frank cypress]

type shi

[steel stream]

#tech-chat-2 message fr

[civic reef]

Wait.. Hmm..
2080 Ti is 250W, only 10W more than the 3070

[civic reef]

It was pretty much the stepping ground, or, well, the doorman

Its innovation wasn't explored upon yet

[frank cypress]

dont byuy the 2080ti

[pallid marsh]

Textures won't load fully when it hits the limit

[civic reef]

It would've been better if they gave devs cards and let them include RT & DLSS in their games

[inland dome]

If I can praise the 20 series for anything, its that it opened the door for lighting you dont need the 20 series for

[civic reef]

I'll be checking its production date for faulty SK_Hynix chips dw

[frank cypress]

i don't think that it's not loading per say

more so it's just using a lower mipmap version

[inland dome]

yeah which you dont want

[frank cypress]

ofc

[civic reef]

@frank cypress It's also relatively within wattage for my PSU

[merry stirrup]

it has a clock display yoooo

[inland dome]

They really should've considered upping the vram standard a bit earlier

[turbid locust]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[steel stream]

real

[civic reef]

3060: 8/12
3060 Ti: (8??)
3070: 8 (????)
3070 Ti: (??????)

[merry stirrup]

DLSS is not real to this kid 😭

[inland dome]

I mean the non-tis from 70 and below have been stuck at an 8gb standard since the 10s

[merry stirrup]

20 series on launch was pretty bad but it was pretty much always going to be bad trying to introduce a new lighting standard

[steel stream]

well behaved GPUs rarely make history

I think that's the quote

[inland dome]

It got dlss too but I genuinely forget it does because it was that mid then

[pure garnet]

3070 ti is also 8gb

[pallid marsh]

High end psu? Because older gen rtx cards had some mean transient power spikes

[civic reef]

The 1070 increased VRAM
2070 stuck
.. So did the 3070
4070 finally increased

[merry stirrup]

really just rtx 3k

[civic reef]

Oh oops I forgot to write the 8

[civic reef]

It's a 550W C tier

MSI MAG A550BN

[inland dome]

Exactly, and now its just the 60s instead of the 70s

[pure garnet]

3060 had 12gb because 6gb wasn't great but 8gb was fine when the 3070 came out

[civic reef]

Yeah not saying it wasn't
But the VRAM allocation doctrine was just.. Odd??

3060 Ti only had 8, 3070 Ti didn't get 10

[pallid marsh]

Then the rtx 3070ti came with faster 8 gddr6x! When gamers wanted more vram

[pure garnet]

you can't just add random amounts of vram to the cards

[edgy laurel]

VRAM capacity isn't picked on a whim. it depends on the bus width and available vram chip sizes

[merry stirrup]

wow someone with sense

[turbid locust]

Osama

[pure garnet]

3060 has 12 because at the time that was the valid configs, 6 or 12 with that bus size the chip has

[civic reef]

Oh right
Specific busses allowed only for specific amounts

[pure garnet]

the 3090 has 24gb in clamshell and then the 3080 has a cutdown bus to make it to 10gb

[turbid locust]

John Madden
John Madden
John Madden

[pallid marsh]

And 12

We had the cool 3080 12gb and the lame og 3080 10gb

[inland dome]

I mean we're at a point that getting the new card with less vram isn't worth it, like the AMD 9000s with 8gb are never even considered when the 16gb versions are there

[pure garnet]

the 3080 12gb was lame

you overpay on the used market and if you were gonna run out of 10 you were gonna run out of 12 too

[pallid marsh]

Hey is was basically a discounted baby 3080ti

[pure garnet]

the 4070 is just way cooler

-120w for equal perf 🔥

[inland dome]

The 4000 series had an aura about it, don't know what it was

Like even nowadays I feel like the 40 series just has that sauce

[pallid marsh]

Same the the chad 4070 super 3090ti performance without drawing 500w

[inland dome]

Yeah like that's the aura about it I think

The 4070 up just had ridiculous performance to power ratioss

[pallid marsh]

The aura stops at 4060ti and below though

[inland dome]

Yeah those I kinda feel like they suffer from 2000 series syndrome

[frank cypress]

4060ti 16gb is aight

[inland dome]

"Genuinely why did you buy that if you had a 2080-3070 already"

[pallid marsh]

I feel most GTX owners bought those since rtx 20 was lame rtx 30 series had crypto bros buying all the stock

[inland dome]

Thats what it is

The 40 series is genuinely the first since the end of GTX that people would actually care to buy

[shell void]

2080Ti so overhated 🥀

[inland dome]

Its hated just enough

[shell void]

~40% performance improvement at the same power target

much better performance gain than 4090 -> 5090

[frank cypress]

turding hate justified

[inland dome]

Yeah but lets talk about that price target

[pallid marsh]

If we had rtx games when it launched it might be hated less

[shell void]

30 series was the biggest gen over gen gain that we've had in like 15 years but nobody actually bought them at intended price at launch due to covid and crypto

[civic reef]

384bit!!!!

[inland dome]

It competes with the titan xp at that launch price, not the 1080ti

[civic reef]

Though the 320 bit was also good

[shell void]

it was only $999 xD

[civic reef]

2080 Ti has 384 bit too though >:3
.. And GDDR6!!!

Nyehehehe!!!!

[pallid marsh]

2080ti was a titan/90 class card imo just needed a different name

[shell void]

i forgot that in the 20 series the founders cards were actually more expensive

the cheapo aib models of 2080Ti were $999

[pure garnet]

the titan xp was $1,199

[pallid marsh]

I see $1199 and $999 when googling the msrp

[civic reef]

aib?

[shell void]

add in board partner - not founders edition

msi, asus, gigabyte, pny whatever

[inland dome]

I think its fair

[civic reef]

Oh

[inland dome]

Top end sounding mid caps off the series imo

Whole series is mid, top tier of the series sounds mid, its fitting

[fringe vigil]

[civic reef]

2090, and the resulting new 2080 Ti would be NVidia's first 10GB :3
Or it'd be 8GB </3

[wraith steeple]

[civic reef]

2060/S, 2070/S, 2080/S/Ti/Ti S, 2090, RTX Titan

[civic reef]

Hello

[inland dome]

2090 just sounds wrong

[civic reef]

It does

[civic reef]

@wraith steeple The card is saying Hi, would be rude if I ignored it

[pallid marsh]

Case

[pure garnet]

i wonder if i could do 3400mhz in peggle @shell void

[gentle urchin]

They should make the 5660 already, GTX 1660 needs a successor

[pallid marsh]

Amd should sell us fucking Ryzen 3 cpus

I want a modern r3 2200g

[shell void]

time to find out

[pure garnet]

i will later on

i just went and changed like 4 things in the bios at once

[civic reef]

8300G

[inland dome]

You know what

I remembered the rtx series launch dates wrong for a reason

I thought the 40 series came out in 2022

I thought the 30 series was 2020 and I forgot when the 20 series was

[pallid marsh]

But not available to us normies via normal stores

[inland dome]

The 20 series was so god damn mid my memory literally tuned the thing's launch out and gave the 40 series two more years

[gentle urchin]

Not to mention AMD should sell us Athlons. Last one for desktop was heccin Zen+

We need Zen 5 Athlons for 50$

[shell void]

begging amd to produce ewaste

[civic reef]

Smh

Wait, wait a minute
Didn't enmui say that 20 series has transient spikes

Could I try to solve those with undervolting

[inland dome]

Of course the 20 series would have em

[shell void]

@pure garnet dlss5 neural rendering is incredible

[pure garnet]

fr

[inland dome]

🙏

[civic reef]

Anyway to another topic to not bore you all out with my dumb tech questions

Do you actually think AMD should release standard R3s for AM5

[topaz veldt]

@shell void

[civic reef]

Like.. An R3 7300

2x Zen 4 + 4x 4c

Or 4x Zen 4 + 2x 4c

[inland dome]

All the trust obtained from dlss 4.5, gone with dlss5

I think amd should avoid R3s maybe

[edgy laurel]

nope, only if you're a headline only kinda person

[inland dome]

Not mine necessarily

Its just people are not gonna be speaking good of dlss for a while

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-george-w-bush-george-walker-bush-george-bush-gif-4763846221746003914

that is a perfectly cromulent livingroom computer

[gentle urchin]

AMD should only release Ryzen 3 for Zen 6

[civic reef]

Why

[steel stream]

we just said earlier this was fake lol

[gentle urchin]

Idk, fun

[edgy laurel]

for what reason? if you need 1-2 core ewaste, there is always 8000 series

[inland dome]

I love the slander, doesn't have to be true

[shell void]

my buddy who is notaweeaboo is such a good 4K shill

[civic reef]

8300G is the perfect office PC CPU from AMD in AM5 tbh

[steel stream]

yes, but there is a difference between satire/comedy and just blatant misrepresentation

[civic reef]

Cheapest AM5, has an okay iGPU

[inland dome]

True

[civic reef]

1x Zen 4 + 3x 4C

[steel stream]

are we certain that this fella isn't a weeabo

[inland dome]

There, some good slander

[gentle urchin]

For profit, then release Ryzen 5 after a year, and maybe ryzen 7 the year after (now they release Zen 7 with Ryzen 3 again)

Do a Nvidia release schedule kinda with their Ti & Super cards coming later

[shell void]

damn near certain

[steel stream]

mmmmk

[inland dome]

They should look into 16k gaming

[shell void]

supersampling to 16K with DLSS isnt a bad idea

youd need a 5090 to have a healthy vram buffer though

[inland dome]

Specially with presets l and m

Rendering at 4k, upscaling to 16k

[shell void]

3AM???

[steel stream]

what is this for

[shell void]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-dance-thragg-bacon-egg-cheese-gif-11562573915687280062

[steel stream]

ah

[inland dome]

This is dlss5 in action

[steel stream]

I just know these comments are going crazy

[fringe vigil]

whats all this ai shi

[steel stream]

the future man

[edgy laurel]

i think this is the first time i've seen a Server Restarting message in a live service game

[inland dome]

Headline is sounding pretty "PLEASE KEEP GIVING US MONEY WE WONT BE DESTROYING ARTISTIC INTENT WE SWEAR 😭 😭 😭"

[edgy laurel]

sigh. sometimes Nvidia wants to give me PNG's

[fringe vigil]

divison 2 is cool

[steel stream]

damn you're playing Div2?

[civic reef]

Prices from when I made my first parts list in Q1/2 2025

32GB of 6000 CL30 for 90

[edgy laurel]

server restarting wtf

[inland dome]

I do kinda wish Jensen would wear a shinier jacket after every RTX series launch

[steel stream]

ya know, I think i saw this in anthem

[edgy laurel]

imagine that was in Destiny lul

[fringe vigil]

arc raiders

[steel stream]

I mean kinda is with the weekly reset no?

[edgy laurel]

oh, yeah I guess you're right

[steel stream]

before major updates you get a splash screen when returning orbits

[inland dome]

https://tenor.com/view/time-wasting-waiting-patiently-hour-glass-gif-14424240

Time left to complete raid: 5m

[fringe vigil]

pringle get a role

[inland dome]

What do you mean get a role, that can happen?

[civic reef]

I've made another build list, something most of you have probably seen a bunch from me already

Tried to stay as grounded as possible

Used parts that shouldn't fluctuate in price too much (atleast the ones that I can't buy immediately)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6p9Z8Z

No need to give an opinion or anything, just sharing a little progress report

[turbid locust]

Yeah

If you make a LTT forum account and link your discord you get green name lol

[steel stream]

why give up our secrets

[devout ridge]

better yet, give LTT your money and you get the blue name

even if you don't support the current trajectory of the company

[civic reef]

Forfeit all mortal possessions to Leenus

[civic reef]

Why what's happening

[pallid marsh]

As long as I watch a few videos they lose money with my $3 sub

[steel stream]

Linus is uploading his consciousness to AI

[civic reef]

WHAT

[devout ridge]

they have very much gone the profits over actual quality content route

[steel stream]

yeah it's kinda nuts

[civic reef]

@Grokus is this true

[steel stream]

you pinged the US version, you gotta ping GrokLB for grok to work in Lebanon

[civic reef]

Awful 💔
Well, atleast he doesn't suffer from Minecraft YouTuber syndrome

[civic reef]

Oh no I didn't ping GrokUS

I pinged Linus' version of Grok

[steel stream]

nah thats GrokTT

[civic reef]

Oh

@GrokTT is this true

Ugh, eitherway
Is this actually happening? Why's Linus even uploading to AI??

[devout ridge]

have you not noticed the AI voices they occasionally use?

[turbid locust]

Pringle good

[civic reef]

.. I am SORRY?????

They're using AI VOICES???

[devout ridge]

have been for a few years now lol

instead of just dubbing over mistakes, they use an AI voice of that person to dub over it

[civic reef]

:<

[devout ridge]

like if someone says the wrong pricepoint in a take, and they don't wanna redo it, they dub over with the AI voice the correct price

[steel stream]

sour cream and onion

[civic reef]

That removes ALL the soul out of correcting something in post production

Having the person say the correct thing, in a different tone, over their normal speech, is what MADE IT HUMAN

[devout ridge]

it honestly shouldn't be that hard to just go "hey linus, can you say '50 dollars' into this mic real quick, gotta fix something"

yeah having the slightly offtone or sound made it kinda funny

[civic reef]

The annoyed or rushed nature of post-prod audio dubbing is what made it FUNNY, HUMAN

[devout ridge]

exactly

[civic reef]

Hell, even if they didn't even correct it, if they just plastered the real price in large font over the screen, that would've been better

But AI??

[devout ridge]

i honestly preferred when they used the like 2010's robotic voice

[civic reef]

It's the worst solution you could think of!!

[civic reef]

Yeah even that's better

[devout ridge]

randomly hearing "so the price is FIFTY dollars" is hilarious

[civic reef]

Not as funny but, ironically, even THAT is more human

[devout ridge]

it either needs to be a genuine human voice, or the most robotic sounding voice in existence, no inbetween

we do not want AI human voices

[civic reef]

I am pretty sure using the robotic voice is also easier

[devout ridge]

It almost definitely is

[civic reef]

You can just go to a website, input the text, download and paste the audio, and it'll be done

[devout ridge]

they would have had to specifically train an AI model on quite a few samples of the host's voice for the AI dubbing

Like having linus say the AI script lines for 30 minutes or something

also have you seen DLSS5?

i'm not quite sure how to feel, but i'm leaning towards not liking it

I feel like they took it a bit too far

[brittle trellis]

And with the tools they've already setup they can do the same with their ai voice

[civic reef]

I have, yeah

[civic reef]

Is the stable-diffusion-like feel going to be permanent? Or is it some sort of "AI Enhancement" option I can toggle?

[devout ridge]

not super fond on how much they’ve changed the source material

[civic reef]

If it's included in normal DLSS upscaling, or FG/MFG, I am definitely keeping to 4.5 on my 2080 Ti

[devout ridge]

Honestly not sure, all i’ve seen is very AI enhanced feeling so far

if you aren’t able to disable the additional AI enhancements, i’ll be sticking with dlss4.5

[civic reef]

Same here

[civic reef]

The filter is just too much
And what if it just completely erases something off in the distance? Or adds something?

At close distances it has lots of reference points, sure

But what if a player silhouette is turned into foliage, or mush?

Also, they're allegedly using a full 5090 JUST for DLSS 5

I am sure it'll be optimised once it's sent to the consumer, but this is still a little worrying

[devout ridge]

this is a particularly egregious example, like it completely changes the feel of it

[civic reef]

I am starting to think NVidia is getting too blinded by AI

[devout ridge]

the background goes from intentionally kind of dark and foggy, to well it and quite clear

[shell void]

it's a separetely controllable feature in the dlss 5 family that is mainly there to improve pathtraced lighting

so no you wont be forced to use it

[devout ridge]

Okay good, thank you michael

i didn't feel like reading this whole article

[civic reef]

Image loading, one second

[shell void]

it oiled them up

[devout ridge]

Yeah it definitely gives everything that AI/PT shininess

almost everything looks too shiny

[civic reef]

Oh so we'll be able to get further-improved upscaling, DLDSR, and 6x dynamic MFG, WITHOUT a forced stable diffusion filter?

[shell void]

yes

[devout ridge]

I wish Dynamic MFG was available for the 40 series cards

genuinely the only thing that makes me want to upgrade to the 60 series when it comes out

[civic reef]

Right side feels like a badly made live-action movie

[devout ridge]

I already have a 4080S, so i'm not upgrading to the 50 series

I likely will be buying a 6080 or 6090 though

[shell void]

IMO the best part of the framegen update coming on March 31st is that it's supposed to be more aware of UI and HUD to prevent those from getting garbled

[civic reef]

I am not paying am extra $200 for a 5060, will just stick to Turing

[shell void]

if that includes crosshairs then a few of the most obvious artifacts will be fixed

[civic reef]

Will probably be egregiously priced

[devout ridge]

That is amazing, that's been the biggest issue with DLSS4.5

[civic reef]

Hopefully the former has 24GB of video memory

[shell void]

as far as i can tell from reading nvidia's article about it; you will be able to use framegen model 2.0 on 40 series, just not with 3-6x generation

[devout ridge]

So pretty much the same level of support as RN

you get all the features, but no MFG

[civic reef]

You get 2x MFG

[devout ridge]

2x MFG meaning 2 Fake frames per 1 real frame?

[edgy laurel]

🔊 All we want are updated presets working with RR 🔊

[shell void]

framegen 2.0 is hugely necessary but yes better ray reconstruction pls

[devout ridge]

RR is essentially DLSS for ray tracing specifically right?

Like it uses AI to accelerate Ray tracing

instead of just taking the ray traced frame, and running AI on that

[shell void]

not technically necessary, but it massively improves lighting and reflections

[civic reef]

I think so

[devout ridge]

DLSS as a whole isn't technically necessary, but by god is it nice

[shell void]

the current downside is that ray reconstruction is tied to an older CNN antialiasing model so it gets obviously more blurry, smeary, and boily/warbly as you lower render resolution

even quality mode on a 4K monitor is obviously degraded in clarity

[civic reef]

It's perfect for turning your graphics up, or run RT, or even run the game at higher resolution so it looks sharper on your own monitor

[devout ridge]

Ah so it's based in an antiquated model, so suffers the shortcomings of that model of ray tracing

[devout ridge]

Oh absolutely, i am one of the biggest supporters of DLSS

[edgy laurel]

Yes. you're forced to a what, 2 year old DLSS model if you want to run RR?

[devout ridge]

I wasn't really sold on DLSS, then i tried DLSS4 on my 4080S, and fell in love

[civic reef]

I used to be an avid hater of DLSS honestly

Thankfully I didn't voice my opinions much

[devout ridge]

Yeah, it seemed like a cheap way to get more frames at the time

[civic reef]

RR?

[devout ridge]

but now, it's almost impossible to imagine not having it

[merry stirrup]

this is every amd user ever

[shell void]

yeh it's from 2023

[civic reef]

I hated it because people were using it to substitute optimisation

[devout ridge]

So nearing on 3 year old model

[devout ridge]

That's still true to some extent, but the beauty of DLSS4.5 is still amazing

plus that's not really NVIDIA's fault

They gave people another tool to increase performance, and people decided to use it as the only tool

[civic reef]

Which I realised

And after that I realised it's just a great tool to bring new life to older cards

[shell void]

dlss4.5 doesnt impress me as much as the update to dlss4 did, but that's to be expected because gains will be smaller every gen

[civic reef]

And to bring better performance to people who previously couldn't game well

[devout ridge]

I'm fully convinced NVIDIA pays special attention to cyberpunk2077 in their DLSS work, because man is it just amazing

[edgy laurel]

Low resolution gamers were the loudest negative voices. Meanwhile, them trying to use it was the worst possible scenario. They also happened to be the biggest group of people. Lose lose all around, meanwhile those of us with high res screens have been benefitting from it for years.

[edgy laurel]

Oh, 100% they do. Its almost their living tech demo

[devout ridge]

Soon i'll be upgrading to a 4k QD-OLED monitor, so i'll be living the 4k DLSS dream

[merry stirrup]

pretty sure its a sponsored title. it would be dumb if it had shitty implements

im 93% sure it says nvidia when you launch the game

[devout ridge]

i've been running a 1440p IPS monitor for a long time now, and while pretty, QD-OLED is gonna take it to a whole other level

[devout ridge]

i just booted the game, it does

[cosmic gazelle]

can i bet on that on kalshi

[merry stirrup]

what

[edgy laurel]

Even in its relatively trash 1.0 form, I remember booting up Cyberpunk on launch week and specifically uttering the words "this is magic". My 2080S was no longer struggling at 3440x1440.

From that point forward I was sold.

[devout ridge]

kalshi, the site where you can bet on literally everything

[edgy laurel]

Meanwhile the 1080p gamers have been shittalking for 5 years

[devout ridge]

"is mcdonalds gonna mistakenly add pickles to my burger" is probably a bet on kalshi right now

[cosmic gazelle]

but you can’t use the word gamble or bet because it’s “predicting”

[shell void]

oh lord huge upgrade

[merry stirrup]

no

nuhuh

[devout ridge]

Ik, i'm so excited

I'll probably be adding it in with my other 2 monitors as well, instead of replacing anything

[cosmic gazelle]

floppa are buildzoid’s videos considered highly reliable by the community

i’m thinking about trying to watch a lot of em

[devout ridge]

I'm pretty sure you're the one who recommended the specific monitor, Michael, the 650usd one

Gigabyte MO27U2-27

[civic reef]

What counts as low res? 1080p seems like a benefitting resolution in my opinion

[shell void]

yeh that's a pretty good deal right now for $650 + resident evil code at newegg

[devout ridge]

Same deal on Amazon, and easier for me to get quickly

[merry stirrup]

there is a reason why people reference him constantly

[cosmic gazelle]

i personally don’t love using dlss at 1080p but it’s personal preference

[civic reef]

The higher the res the more you gain, but I don't see 1080p being something that won't benefit greatly

[merry stirrup]

hes the only informmative overclocker who actually has any sort of production value and thats barely true

[civic reef]

Yes, usually 1080p already performs well enough

[merry stirrup]

he yaps and yaps but the info is useful

[cosmic gazelle]

i was watching his video on tras being worthless on am5

[edgy laurel]

1080p is incredibly low to be using upscaling. Even on quality mode you're rendering at 720p.

[cosmic gazelle]

interesting stuff

[merry stirrup]

yes

and hes probably right because the testing is shown right in front of you

[cosmic gazelle]

ya i like that he just shows you the data

[merry stirrup]

if you dont believe what he says while hes testing it in front of you or go against it, its generally you whos in the wrong

[civic reef]

Ultra quality would probably be the only way to get an okay image I'd say? Since it's 900p iirc

[edgy laurel]

So 1080p gamers turn it on and are unhappy with the results. They don't understand why, only that it looks a little blurry.

[shell void]

Preset L makes upscaling a viable solution for 1080p gamers for the first time

because it actually looks okay with 720p render resolution

[cosmic gazelle]

to be fair dlss q on old models was okay at 1080 but balanced was pretty bad

[edgy laurel]

while their 3060 chokes and dies trying to do it 😆

[cosmic gazelle]

who’s the guy who games at 4k on a 3060

[merry stirrup]

jerry

[edgy laurel]

jerry is built different

[cosmic gazelle]

lol

[shell void]

it's very based

[devout ridge]

@low sorrel shame

[civic reef]

Preset L?

[shell void]

i got my first 4K 144Hz monitor while i was still daily driving my GTX 1070 xD

[shell void]

it's one of the two new models in DLSS 4.5

[civic reef]

Fair

[edgy laurel]

bro I got a 1600p monitor daily driving an HD6970

[civic reef]

I meannnn
Depending on the game, it'd be okaaaaaay

[merry stirrup]

ive got one of those

[cosmic gazelle]

I have an rx 580 driving a 768p tv and lemme tell ya

it’s quite the resolution lmao

[civic reef]

I ran 900p on HD 4600 :3

[shell void]

granted i bought my 6900XT shortly after that because i was feeling the squeeze

[merry stirrup]

this is the exact scenario people are in when they say the RX 580 4gb is a usable gpu

[shell void]

but 4K in older games was fine on the 1070

[cosmic gazelle]

to be fair it IS an 8gb but yes at 1080p it’s not as usable

[edgy laurel]

come to think of it, the 5760x1080 I was trying to run prior was even harder to run

[shell void]

iirc i had to run it at 4K 120 8bit though because pascal moment

it was the Aorus FV43U

[civic reef]

Anyway I am excited to run 1440p with DLSS Quality

[edgy laurel]

oof

[civic reef]

Could probably get okay performance in games like Stalker 2, BF6

[edgy laurel]

nothing can get ok performance in stalker 2

[cosmic gazelle]

i’m just taken aback by 4k60 monitors costing more than 1440 144 these days, I wish I could replace my youtube monitor with one

[cosmic gazelle]

eh x3d does pretty well

[civic reef]

Oh right
UE5

[cosmic gazelle]

everything else doesn’t lol

i played the entirety of stalker 2 all the way through on a 5800x, so there’s that

[edgy laurel]

talk to me

[civic reef]

Wait, what quality does DLSS Q render at to achieve 1440p

[cosmic gazelle]

720 i thought

oh wait not quality sorry

[civic reef]

That's 1080p iirc

[shell void]

quality on 1440p is 960p

[cosmic gazelle]

i thought you said balanced for some reason

[edgy laurel]

is this still relevant? I keep it handy for times like this

[cosmic gazelle]

i don’t think it’s changed

[civic reef]

960p for 1440p quality?

I assume ultra quality is 1080p?

[cosmic gazelle]

i would assume higher

[shell void]

friends spark posted the chart

[cosmic gazelle]

but most games don’t have uq anymore i thought

it’s just dlaa at that point

[edgy laurel]

It doesn't have UQ, i don't think it was a thing back when that chart was made

[shell void]

very few games implemented dlss ultra quality, but it's the same 77% render scale as the fsr version in that chart

[edgy laurel]

but you just need to lookup the scaling %

oh, well there ya go

[civic reef]

If it is I am downloading that image

Will stay with the Tom's Hardware hierarchy image I downloaded yesterday

Updated from the one I downloaded in 2025

[edgy laurel]

will stay with them? What were you considering switching to?

isn't it more useful to just bookmark the page so you always have the updated ones?

[civic reef]

No I mean
It'll stay in the same folder

[edgy laurel]

i bookmark so much stuff. all in folders, all organized

[edgy laurel]

i'd be lost on the internet without my bookmarks

[civic reef]

I have 3 pages that stay opened on my chrome, never to be closed

Well technically four but that's a new unused page

[edgy laurel]

Tom's has said they're going to re-test RTX3000/RX6000 with their new test bench for what feels like 2 years now. if they wait long enough, they'll no longer be relevant (arguably aren't now)

[magic copper]

rate it 1-10. spent 5 days on this turned my Womier S-K80 into a standalone windows 10 pc. it’s not a stream or a mirror, the keyboard is the actual computer.

128x128 screen, custom frame-gen (around 0.33 FPS or 20 FPM), and it shows 6GB ram. it's a slideshow but it runs doom and chrome. mouse is Z + arrow keys and it has bluetooth. 💀

[edgy laurel]

what is being rated

[civic reef]

</3
Tested when RX 11090 XTX & 7090 go on the used market for the same price as 3090s are now (without the AI spike)

[turbid locust]

Yeah I was surprised to not see anything older than 40 series when I looked up the charts earlier

[edgy laurel]

when they moved from 12900k to 9800x3D, they omitted all that old card data

which makes sense but.. its been ages at this point

now those cards are 5+ years old

[edgy laurel]

so.. does it even matter anymore?

michael no

[civic reef]

They'd still be useful for budget builders, but tbh the only sub 40/7000 cards you should look at are 3080+

6000 series is losing support soon, and I doubt FSR 4.1 will be great on them

[devout ridge]

the entire AI bubble is just because Jensen wants to turn himself into the peak Waifu

[civic reef]

He wants to blind the world with his shiny jackets

[shell void]

@brisk jolt XG32UCWMG got its first price drop in the USA

this could be devastating for my wallet

[pallid marsh]

What free mouse?

[shell void]

asus rog harpe mini core wired gaming mouse - wired usb, small compact design

[pallid marsh]

Oh

[civic reef]

Not bad

Has side buttons atleast

[shell void]

i would try the mouse and pad out of curiosity

the mouse seems like it would be fine, very generic shape and it's 52g

[civic reef]

Oh there's something I didn't think of
If I sell my 5700 XT, I can get an okay C tier 750W for $70 :3 - Then I can run the 2080 Ti without any fears!!!

[civic reef]

Light, generic (but proven) shape

At worst you can sell them together

At best they'll go to a secondary system

[pallid marsh]

But would you try the 1080p 480hz mode with the jaw dropping 70ppi

[shell void]

hell yeah i would try it

[civic reef]

Is 70 ppi good or bad

[pallid marsh]

Bad

[shell void]

im curious about how it would look when combined with DLDSR to render at >1080p

[turbid locust]

Need this at like 38 inches

[civic reef]

💔

[civic reef]

Oh jesus 32in 1080p Mode lmfao

[pallid marsh]

Yeah

[civic reef]

What's considered the minimum for okay ppi

[pallid marsh]

For me 92

So 1080p 24inch

[edgy laurel]

27" 1440p is 109

[civic reef]

Wait is it possible to calculate ppi just with math / monitor dimensions

[pallid marsh]

They have websites for it

Idk the nerd math

[civic reef]

Oh

[edgy laurel]

this page will even show you the math https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/technology/ppi-calculator.php

and let you compare two displays

if you know your pythagorean theorem... you can do it manually

ain't nobody got time for that

[civic reef]

Unfortunately don't have monitor height, only length & aspect ratio

Oh well, I can wait

[edgy laurel]

i mean all you need is the resolution and size for the site..

[civic reef]

I may have misread

Sorry
I am running on LP Cores, it's 3:40 AM

[edgy laurel]

Apple loves high ppi

Even the Macbook Neo is 219ppi

my 16 Pro Max is 460ppi

[civic reef]

Even more reasons for me to buy it tbh

IF they accept my T470s for trade-in

(Not planning it, just an idea)

[civic reef]

WHAT

[steel stream]

i mean for good reason

[devout ridge]

when searching for a decent soldering iron, what should i be looking for

[edgy laurel]

i don't know anymore. way back when I was into soldering I was recommended a Hakko FX888D

[turbid locust]

I hate that this is technically my nicest display lmao

[devout ridge]

just a bit more than i was looking to spend, is it worth it?

[edgy laurel]

apparently its old technology now https://www.reddit.com/r/soldering/comments/1lusf0e/the_hakko_fx888d_and_the_weller_we1010_and_every/

everybody seems to be into those portable Type C powered ones these days

[devout ridge]

great for microsoldering, but the lack of pure power output has been an issue for me

they also don't have a lot of thermal mass, so they cool down quickly when you try and use it on a multilayer PCB

i have a fantikk one, and was hoping for a different soldering iron with more heat output

[edgy laurel]

I did love the lightweight wand and really flexible silicone wire. Also never seemed to be out of power for big heavy connectors I was soldering at the time (RC)

[low sorrel]

Hey it's better then the people who run 5090s on 1080p 60hz displays

[devout ridge]

https://www.amazon.com/Weller-Digital-Soldering-Station-Precision/dp/B09XZBWJ5H?s=hi&th=1
This was one i was looking at, any idea if it's a good iron?

Same brand as was recommended in the article you linked, but about half the price

If it's worth the extra money, i'm willing to invest in that WE1010, but not sure if it's really that much better

[edgy laurel]

Weller is another common name for quality units

but I really can't speak to that individual one, or really any. I just know I like my Hakko and it'll probably last forever. I only used it once recently and before that it had been years

so I guess i'm not really a good source

[devout ridge]

Upon reading some reviews, it's seems to be a pretty cheap unit

[edgy laurel]

i know floppa just got into soldering, or maybe just hot air

you'll have to ask him when he's around

[devout ridge]

Will do, thank you

[low sorrel]

why are headlights so bright now

[devout ridge]

they cheat the test that limits how bright they can be

because brighter lights is a feature for the person buying the car

and few people have the foresight to realize they may also be on the receiving end of those bright ass lights

[brisk jolt]

they enabled HDR

[merry stirrup]

8786 I SE

[devout ridge]

the 2in1 thing from YIHUA?

[cosmic gazelle]

i just learned something

[low sorrel]

I'm brilliant

I accidentally deleted the downloads folder when I was using Wiz tree

Instead of the files in the downloads folder

[cosmic gazelle]

I was using the ASUS PBO menu in AI tweaker that started giving me avx512 instability that the other PBO menu in the advanced tab doesn’t give, because apparently the two PBO menus don’t operate the same way? Why is AMD like this @pure garnet

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel spicy wind/rain like 10-15 mins ago

[cosmic gazelle]

snail you ever heard anything like the above message

i’ve never heard anyone mention it before

[pure garnet]

ngl i've never heard of this

[edgy laurel]

i think that just hit me. lights were flickering

[edgy laurel]

on my B550 Strix board, the PBO options in AI Tweaker menu didn't do anything at all

everthing had to be done in the Advanecd > AMD Overclocking menu

[cosmic gazelle]

they were certainly doing something but the passmark physics test that uses av512 was throwing super odd bsods

switch to the other tab, immediately fixed

[topaz veldt]

yeah we lost power for like 4 mins but generator fired up

[shell void]

subtle generator flex

[topaz veldt]

A few storms ago I had a false start, which is annoying AF - shakes your confidence

This is so nice

[merry stirrup]

wep thing whatever

i have that and a ts101 i got a while ago but im giving that to a homie

[shell void]

a very humorously tall m.2 heatsink

[edgy laurel]

but.. is that even an SSD?

oh it is, on a riser

[merry stirrup]

silly

[frank cypress]

to be honest, i do think the concept itself is not bad or anything

[brisk jolt]

give the ssd a 420mm aio as well

[frank cypress]

like, it would be really good if it could emulate material responses that you'd normally only be able to achieve in an offline rendering environment very cheaply without destroying the feel of the original thing, but that doesn't seem to be the case

i've seen some decent examples of DLSS 5.0, and it does look higher fidelity in some cases

[pallid marsh]

I'm surprised you don't have a powerwall

[frank cypress]

idk, just seems like a yassify filter for the most part

💀

[cosmic gazelle]

guess i gotta be happy with this because i can’t get it to go any higher no matter what i do lmao

[hoary hatch]

Reddit is acting like digital foundry just shot the Pope on live TV

[topaz veldt]

Does nothing for me

[topaz veldt]

it gets hot in there

@shell void really really annoying thing on X870E Glacial that I might have forgotten about from other boards...

[pure garnet]

can't do pbo +200?

[shell void]

GAME CHANGER

so true

you can’t use other boards after experiencing the glacial

[pure garnet]

what is the post code displaying? gpu temp?

[edgy laurel]

Reading this definitely put things in perspective. Then again we all know Ryan Shrout is full on AI bro these days. https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/sbVyyood8Q

I guess we’ll see how this shakes out in future, better, showcases

That 30 second demo wheel was a terrible demonstration

[turbid locust]

mental health is bullshit.

[topaz veldt]

The annoying part is that the DIMM.2 has a red LED to show you the fucking thing is working... not errored.. but normal

[inland dome]

Ok just curious here, so when you say pbo +200 for the 9800x3d, assuming the default, non pbo boost is 5.2ghz, do you mean they could raise the limit to 5.4ghz?

[pure garnet]

yeah it's 5425mhz

stock is 5225mhz

[inland dome]

Ok so their raised limit is 200 above their norm then

[cosmic gazelle]

doesn’t do anything it pulls boost with no apparent limitation

[inland dome]

That just confirms I was correct on my stuff

7600x base boost clock is 5.3ghz, but here's what that is defaulted to with pbo enabled

So going into boost clock override settings, I shouldn't tune that above +50, because +50 is actually 200mhz above what the standard pbo boost is

Right now, I have boost clock override set to -125, reducing the pbo max to 25mhz above the base clock

[topaz veldt]

um

-125?

[inland dome]

Just set like that to ensure stability

5450-125 = 3225, still +25 over the base boost clock

Yes I am changing my pbo scalar to manual 1 by the way

[lethal topaz]

i have entered the era of oled

all 3 of my displays are oled now

[pure garnet]

tpu has 5450 at stock pbo

[inland dome]

Well yeah thats stock pbo

[pure garnet]

so i think you’re actually just running it slower for no reason

because pbo no offset no co is just default behavior, not much to worry about

[inland dome]

Not necessarily for no reason, I'm starting low for the sole purpose of finding out whether its my CO or silicon's boost capability

-15 all core should be stable with what I've tested, I'm in bios to move my boost clock up right now

[brisk jolt]

turdbin turdbin

[pure garnet]

you can’t validate a co at frequency you’re not targeting

[merry stirrup]

lol

[pure garnet]

i run -15 at 5.4 but that doesn’t mean i couldn’t run less voltage at 5.2

[inland dome]

True that, I'm just changing one variable at a time until stuff works

If Co -15 at 5450 doesn't work I know i should bring that to -10 and so on

[pure garnet]

if you wanna just mess with co just keep it at 0 and then go from there

testing pbo -125 is just a time waster perf wise

[inland dome]

I switched to that during the conversation tbh

[turbid locust]

Never trust how you feel about your life after 10pm

[pure garnet]

idk man those 3am realizations sometimes work out

[inland dome]

So yeah I'm running 5450mhz, gonna tune my CO down unless its stable

[pure garnet]

are you still just hitting it with r23

[merry stirrup]

:nod

[pure garnet]

or did you move to corecycler/aida/something else

[inland dome]

No I'm gonna get OCCT

Corecycler too

[merry stirrup]

(yes)

[inland dome]

What do we mean by yes

Plan in the first place was to get these at some point

[merry stirrup]

so far youve only hit it with r23

[inland dome]

I mean if a game would get it to crash even at that low a limit why bother with OCCT at that point

[pure garnet]

my cpu ran fortnite at -30 but wouldn’t pass aida until -15

so i run -15

[inland dome]

Since Im testing at stock with an undervolt its much more reasonable to run OCCT

[pure garnet]

all core loads aren’t really useful with co

because the voltage/clocks won’t be as high anyway

[inland dome]

True that

[pure garnet]

corecycler is the way to go

it’ll just take awhile

[inland dome]

Yeah Im planning to do that tomorrow since I don't gotta leave home or anything during that time

[pure garnet]

don’t forget just doing it overnight

that’s when i do most of my ram testing

[merry stirrup]

i just forget im real for like 36 hours

[inland dome]

Is a good option, just in not great weather conditions right now and my ups can only last so long

[cosmic gazelle]

i got significantly better average offset with individuals by just staggering them

based on CPPC

[pure garnet]

per core is just more time than i feel like investing

[cosmic gazelle]

only took a total of like 20 mins for a rough estimate, spent 4 hours diagnosing why i’m not boosting well during r23

still don’t really get why but whatever

[inland dome]

Oh so chat where do I choose my data set on occt

Like they say to go with large in the overclocking guide but im missing where that option is

[cosmic gazelle]

are you on the bench or stress test tab

[turbid locust]

https://youtu.be/yzGvdUClYdE?si=RGteLxotBa3biEbc

If any of you know who Vanoss is… this shit is amazing

@steel stream

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-matter-dont-care-peaceful-laid-back-zen-life-gif-11841640

how this message makes me feel

[turbid locust]

[brisk jolt]

I have not heard that name in a LONG time

[turbid locust]

I’ve been watching vanoss for straight up 13 years probably

Off and on

[cosmic gazelle]

they cracked the xbox one

who would’ve thought

[inland dome]

Got it all figured out, OCCT running

I honestly would have expected my temps to go a lot higher than they are, not complaining

There it is, now we're touching 80s

Im guessing occt gradually makes it try harder so as to not explode the thing?

That or some of my cores are less thermally resistive maybe

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s a 9600x?

probably doesn’t run super hot idk

[inland dome]

7600x

Found the errors, some of my cores cant even take -15

Which I mean, not like I didnt expect some to be thirstier

[cosmic gazelle]

same with my 9800 but doing individuals isn’t all that time consuming

usually too low of an offset crashes very quickly

[inland dome]

Yeah, I didnt get a crash luckily but it very quickly spiked from 0 errors to like 512 and spiking as soon as it went to core 4 or something

[pure garnet]

co offset isn’t mv btw just as a heads up

[inland dome]

Core 4 is not happy with -15

[inland dome]

Wait it isn't, what the hell have i been looking at

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah core offset is just a number rhat corresponds to some sexret algorithm in the boost curve

it doesn’t actually mean anything

[inland dome]

Secrets can be annoying

[pure garnet]

each step is roughly 4mv

but yes the final value is based off place in the curve

[inland dome]

But yeah I do not think my weaker cores are too appreciative of that level of curve

[cosmic gazelle]

I have my weakest core at 9 and my strongest at 30 atm

[analog scroll]

hmm

[cosmic gazelle]

i could do more but my temps are fine and i don’t care enough

[inland dome]

That's the end goal I suppose

[pure garnet]

insane variance won’t lie

[inland dome]

I did notice that core 0 ran much cooler than core 1, is that my fault somehow?

[cosmic gazelle]

weakest core can do like 11 i just figured id give it a little wiggle room

[inland dome]

Id guess its either to do with physical position or just flat out not having as much thermal resistance

[cosmic gazelle]

i think this is probably fine and just has to do with voltage characteristics and chiplet placement

[inland dome]

Probably the case, im not all to worried about it unless I could potentially optimize it

That's the point of corecycler and co though

[cosmic gazelle]

i think some people buy contact frames for that but i doubt it matters much

[inland dome]

The individual chiplet has gotta downclock if it really reaches a thermal limit anyways id imagine

[cosmic gazelle]

well i would respond to that but i apparently don’t know how it works because my cores won’t boost higher than a magical invisible wall with current, voltage, power, and temperature headroom and no bios limits

so who even knows

[inland dome]

Pbo works in mysterious ways ig

Core 0 might be among the strongest, it runs significantly cooler than my others

[cosmic gazelle]

i suspect it is the way the agesa pbo version handles current because offset increases increase my frequency and I’m not clock stretching

but ASUS pbo menu was allowing the chip to pull 7 more watts it was just unstable and I had to stop using it

tldr im exhausted from this stupid platform and am just gonna tune memory

[cosmic gazelle]

you can see the ranking in hwinfo64

[inland dome]

You can? What's the sensor called, or where is it?

Im gonna run a corecycler anyways but thats good info

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s in the cpu dropdown menu and it lists each core in order of CPPC rank

[low sorrel]

@turbid locust valorant

[cosmic gazelle]

on the actual hwinfo page not the sensors

[inland dome]

Oh I've probably even seen it then

[turbid locust]

It’s 1am and I have shit to do in the morning

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s on the page that lists your current tdc and edc and stuff

[low sorrel]

Well have you tried moving to the west coast?

[inland dome]

Core 0 runs cooler, Core 1 runs hotter, neither see errors at CO -10

[turbid locust]

No thanks

[inland dome]

Oh sick, I'll see if I can check that some time

Core 0 and 1 can handle -15, probably at least -20

[cosmic gazelle]

technically the scores correspond to how well each core boosts with voltage but it tends to correspond to undervolt performance

not an all encompassing rule

[inland dome]

Core 1 is gonna want it too, hitting 85 degrees on occt even

[inland dome]

I'll keep that in mind, corecycler will probably say more its good info regardless

[cosmic gazelle]

pretty sure 7000 is rated to sit at 95 indefinitely so you’re probably fine

[inland dome]

Oh absolutely, they just boost less past the limits with each degree they climb past a certain point if I have understood correctly

[cosmic gazelle]

yes that is something i appear to be experiencing

[inland dome]

7000 series get a lot of their performance just by being cooled enough

Their boost behavior is largely just slamming the gas until 95 is reached

[cosmic gazelle]

before the 9800 would boost to 5225 on cinebench and just say fuck it we ball and that no longer happens on new agesa versions for me, appears to be a safety mechanism because chips were blowing up or something

i start pulling frequency as low as 90c

[inland dome]

Core 2 is cocked up I think

Doesn't boost with temps, think its just not getting the voltage it needs to do it

[analog scroll]

generational wealth

[cosmic gazelle]

bros got that ddr1-400 on deck

[inland dome]

So yeah core 2 is the one that's gonna be cooked with CO

At least it seems like itll run cooler though

2329 errors from core 2 alone at just -10

Core 3 takes it like a champ, its the coolest core of all without errors

Maintaining a 5250+ effective boost too, gotta be my strongest then

Core 4 is no better than Core 1 in terms of heat, but its boosting

Of course its running hotter so its boosting a bit less, still though

[turbid locust]

Ryzen Master will tell you what your best and second best core is

[inland dome]

I'll look into it, mostly just staring at the amount of errors and whether the cpu is boosting like it should for now

[turbid locust]

I wouldn’t do any adjustments or tuning in RM but it’s useful for seeing limits and whatnot.

[inland dome]

Only Core 2 has errors, and its not thermal or tdc edc ppt, so I think its just not getting the voltage to boost more

[turbid locust]

Your best core will have a gold star next to it and your second best will be a silver dot

iirc

[inland dome]

Gonna pit all my cpu cores against each other, last one standing goes into my franken-7600x

So far its looking to be core 0 and 3

Core 0 hit the highest mhz, but Core 3 runs almost 10 degrees cooler and just boosts 20mhz less

Core 5 is definitely the hottest, only one that actually reaches 89, but no errors

Im betting that means Cores 0, 1, 3, 4, and 5 are stable at 10+, and Core 2 just needs a tad more voltage

[turbid locust]

did you download SMU debug tool

[inland dome]

I haven't, plan was to play with bios but I can see how smu will be useful for this now

Instead of pausing the whole test I can just reduce the CO on Core 2 and see if the stable clock speed goes up

[turbid locust]

Yeah it lets you do it in real time, much faster way to find your per core CO values

like you can literally change it while the test is running to see if it errors

[inland dome]

Yeah, so theoretically I could literally just find my per core CO by trial and erroring that (as long as its not too crazy)

[turbid locust]

Just test in increments of 5 and you’ll be fine

[inland dome]

I think core 2 will work at -7 or something, core 0 and 3 will probably work at -20

[turbid locust]

start at -10 and work your way down

each core

monitoring frequency/measuring performance the whole time