tech-chat-2

[stoic apex]

If your on about my screenshot then it's my new s23 ultra

[pure garnet]

how much would it usually use then

[merry stirrup]

nah i was pissed

it’s an irl homie too so like i was mad fr at him

[topaz veldt]

with no ports active its like low 100 watts

[pure garnet]

one of my college classes involved disassembling and reassembling a normal optiplex tower and when i opened the one i had been assigned the ram fell out of where the hard drive goes

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[topaz veldt]

@pure garnet my arista switch has like dual 750W PSUs but uses like 150W with 24 ports

[pure garnet]

since it was just an empty box with no cable management i’m pretty sure i had my group out of there in like 20 minutes

[merry stirrup]

we built a couple of pcs in hs but i really think i was just helping my comp sci teacher put computers together to sell

[pure garnet]

ah okay, i only saw the psu size back then

[topaz veldt]

yeah gotta ignore that - a couple hosts of mine have like 2000W PSUs but use 200W, etc.

[pure garnet]

i was conscripted to set up alienware setups for my high schools gaming club

during class too

i had no work to do so i was across the hall setting up computers with no supervision

[merry stirrup]

lmao

i have basically told him that

he shouldn’t put loose pc parts inside a case and that if he needs boxes to hit me up

bros a safe individual although that’s a pretty good chip

type in 59 in the box, 1.36v and let it ride

[topaz veldt]

what SP is it

[merry stirrup]

idk they don’t say

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel this is cool

[merry stirrup]

i’ve gotta upgrade my lan if i get the storage server from work

well i don’t have to but if i don’t have to spend money on drives id like to

[topaz veldt]

I was going to get fancy with jamming my 10/25 Gbps NICs in with vertical mount GPU

but now that 5 gbps works... thats good enough

[merry stirrup]

yeah my board has 5gbit but rest of my lan is 2.5gbit

which i don’t think that 3 hdds are going to go much much faster than that but

i have a pretty decent sized cache so it ends up helping anyways

[topaz veldt]

raid 5 can read at almost 3x disk speed, ish

[merry stirrup]

i’m in z1

idk how the speeds work out for that

[topaz veldt]

yeah

[merry stirrup]

same thing ?

[topaz veldt]

in your case its like 2-3 disk read speed

[merry stirrup]

probably 2 cause the third is parity

[devout ridge]

assuming no cpu bottleneck, it should be the equivalent speed of how many non-parity drives you have

[merry stirrup]

i do not have a cpu bottleneck

so probably at most like 400-550mbyte

[devout ridge]

in a 4 drive 1 parity setup, you’ll see roughly the speed of 4 drives, 2 drives 1 parity, you see the speed of 2 drives

[merry stirrup]

yeah i only run 3 drives total atm

i may increase that amount but for what i do i just want big dense guys

but if i get the old VBR i can’t complain about it

i think it’s a bunch of 1.8TB sas drives of sorts

[devout ridge]

i’m running 24 SAS drives rn

[merry stirrup]

i just can’t have that much extra power in the room rn

i’m gonna move the server downstairs here soon but it just gets too hot in my room if i leave 3 pcs running

[devout ridge]

i have a separate room

[merry stirrup]

esp with my actual desktop basically not believing in idle

[devout ridge]

idc what temp the room is

[merry stirrup]

yeah that will soon be the setup

[low sorrel]

Hmmm do I need more storage?

https://www.reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/s/eCx34OsbOO

[merry stirrup]

as of now it’s all in my room so i want to keep drive count down for noise and heat reasons

cause even 3 hdds is just annoying to listen to

i literally know when someone logs on to jellyfin because of them

[topaz veldt]

Sooo is there such a thing as HDMI to USB-C

I want to go HDMI -> USB-C

[shell void]

what are the two devices?

[topaz veldt]

mac mini to 321urx

i want to use the usb-c on the 321urx but the HDMI port on the mac mini

[edgy laurel]

thats going to involve more than a passive cable, and likely not hit full refresh

[topaz veldt]

I think I just need to buy a second 321urx

[merry stirrup]

would me getting into retro enterprise gear be haram

[edgy laurel]

entertaining https://www.youtube.com/@clabretro

[steel stream]

another 321urx never hurt nobody

[topaz veldt]

MC has the MAG for like $699 or something

[shell void]

ive been looking for about 15 minutes and ive only found something that would work at 4K 60Hz, is there any reason you couldnt do C -> C?

your mac mini has multiple thunderbolt/usb 4 ports doesnt it?

[topaz veldt]

mac mini is doing something weird where the rear ports don't work except for the video out

[merry stirrup]

10 steps ahead

[shell void]

[shell void]

yes old server gear sux

[merry stirrup]

in what sense are you talking

because no crap it’s not fast

i just kinda like the idea of something new-ish

[topaz veldt]

wtf is going on with monoprice/etc. ethernet patch cables

[cosmic gazelle]

Do you guys think if I put my broken g skill trident z ddr4 on ebay and fully disclosed it was broken people would bid on it

[topaz veldt]

why not RMA it

has a lifetime warranty

[cosmic gazelle]

i mean i totally killed it through user error, you think they’d take it?

[topaz veldt]

yeah probably unless its like physically mamed

[merry stirrup]

lie of omission

[steel stream]

its always morally ok to lie to companies

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/prayer-jordan-hare-auburn-pass-ricardo-louis-auburn-georgia-gif-18648446

me sending in that rma request

[pure garnet]

it would be really funny if gskill kept the serial numbers of all sticks used in the hwbot comp solely to prove warranty isn't valid anymore

[merry stirrup]

LOL

[cosmic gazelle]

what is hwbot comp

[merry stirrup]

competitive overclocking

https://hwbot.org/competitions/G.SKILL OC World Cup 2026 Online Qualifier

[cosmic gazelle]

oh so they just took too much voltage and died

[merry stirrup]

you literally can put at least 1.8 volts into modern hynix ddr5 and it will not care

if you kill hynix d5 with volts you are a different type of stupid

[cosmic gazelle]

oh so how would you kill a stick while overclocking then

[merry stirrup]

usually phsyical damage, or just defected from the factory

[cosmic gazelle]

gotcha

[merry stirrup]

some IC's also die way quicker with volts

but in this instance for the gskill oc comp nobody is using anything but hynix

[edgy laurel]

i just came across Days of Thunder on youtube, like their official movies

in the free section

this is happening now

[merry stirrup]

damn is piracy not going to be poppin anymore (HAH)

[cosmic gazelle]

the only thing i’ll be watching tonight is USA vs Great Britain World Baseball Classic

gonna watch some patriotic belt to ass

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[fringe vigil]

hi

[low sorrel]

@topaz veldt arc?

[steel stream]

hi

[merry stirrup]

like i put 1.8v into my last klevv adie kit

and it is dead yes (well one of the dimms)

but thats because i dropped it taking it out of the slot on my board

and it just so luckily caught on an SMD and broke itself

other dimm is still truckin just fine

my gskills ive also put 1.8v in

[topaz veldt]

bed time

[pure garnet]

i thought you get degradation above 1.7v longterm

[merry stirrup]

why we dailying benching volts

im not recommending people put 1.8 volts in daily but if they do it for a couple benching sessions it probably wont do anything, my kits never saw any signs of that

[steel stream]

tech bros can't go to the gym and ego lift, so they ego daily

[topaz veldt]

like people buying 5090 Matrix to run 800W and not tweak anything

[pure garnet]

i daily 1.65v wont lie

[buoyant hedge]

Is Marvel Rivals a RAM heavy game? Like it's using more RAM than my Cities:Skylines with at least 15-25 mods, 81 tiles and a population of 180K.

[edgy laurel]

It uses as much as it uses. Look in task manager

[buoyant hedge]

I have 24 and it's using 23.9.

[edgy laurel]

the executable itself surely isn't using 23.9

[buoyant hedge]

It was according to task manager.

And RivaTuner

[edgy laurel]

RTSS is showing you total system usage, not whats used by the game itself

Task Manager > Processes tab > organized by Memory

[merry stirrup]

i would happily daily any voltage amount that is rqeuired for what i want to run

[trim agate]

i dunno but i got a 20% performance increase upgrading from 16g ddr4 to 32g ddr4

running a r5 5600 and a 3070ti

[steel stream]

the rain formerly known as purple

[merry stirrup]

chocolate rain?

https://klipy.com/gifs/tay-zonday-chocolate

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah… same…

[steel stream]

real

[cosmic gazelle]

(ddr3)

[steel stream]

i think i have carpal tunnel in my right wrist or smth

[merry stirrup]

yeah my wrist has been hurting since i started working full time lowk

[lethal topaz]

im glad i dont

[merry stirrup]

even during my unemployment

[lethal topaz]

i think rock climbing has helped with that

[steel stream]

hopefully i dont drop the bar next time i bench

[lethal topaz]

perhaps you are in the market for lifting straps

[steel stream]

my campus is finally get a rock wall in april i am stoked 🙏

[lethal topaz]

fire

my campus put up a great rock wall, but i got another gym i go to

45ft top rope / lead wall 😃

[steel stream]

nice, we are getting a 47 foot one i think?

[merry stirrup]

gotta backup the homies abomination pc

and its got 3 windows installs (one for each drive, for some reason)

[steel stream]

but brand new building so makes sense

[merry stirrup]

and 2/3 of the drives are HDD

[lethal topaz]

yee

my university gym is 4 stories and it fits quite well in the space

[merry stirrup]

its been stuck here a while

fucking hdds man

[lethal topaz]

minecraft folder moment

oh name leak

now i know you friends name is aiden and nothing else

[steel stream]

damnnnnn, we are only getting 3 stories. 4 is absurd

[merry stirrup]

oh no you know my friends extremely common first name

its OVER

[young void]

Be like that sometimes

[lethal topaz]

its so over

[steel stream]

aiden is getting a pipe bomb in the mail

[lethal topaz]

im gonna map out all aidens in the US and use it to approximate your location

[steel stream]

whoops sent it to the wrong aiden

[merry stirrup]

he put an extra board in his case

and the gpu was just floating in it

[young void]

I have a son i named Aiden kek

[merry stirrup]

lowk deserved

[merry stirrup]

lol is he like 20 years old

[lethal topaz]

you are muddying my sample pool please change his name

[merry stirrup]

(definitely not)

[young void]

Keks

[merry stirrup]

this narrows it down you guys got this totally

group effort to dox my homie based off nothing but his first name

[lethal topaz]

best part is i have like 3 friends named aiden all like 18-22

[young void]

He is 2 now xD just a lil guy

Lifes just dinosaurs and cars

[merry stirrup]

are we perhaps the same person

[steel stream]

i read kek as idk, and was like damn, doesn't even know his sons name

i hope i did not send a pipe bomb to your aiden

[young void]

https://tenor.com/view/run-fire-explosion-gif-12482612

[lethal topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[steel stream]

ive never seen you two in the same room...

[lethal topaz]

ive never seen me in a room

how can i prove mirrors prove me?

[molten iron]

came across this on my Edge browser. should Enable this feature to block any website from accessing local devices?

There's: Default, Enabled, Enabled (Blocking), and Disabled

[indigo walrus]

https://chromestatus.com/feature/5152728072060928

[lethal topaz]

interesting

[indigo walrus]

It's useful for certain sites, like HP / Dell / Intel's driver updater sites. To my knowledge, the way these sites "scan your computer" for drivers is by sending requests to the corresponding agent running on your machine. Kind of neat.

[molten iron]

i don't use those, i custom built my pc and i downloaded all drivers i need from my motherboard's website

i'd rather websites NOT try and talk to other devices on my network

idk it just seems super sus

[indigo walrus]

Then simply don't allow them to if you ever see a prompt like the one I screenshot above. 🙂

[edgy laurel]

this stuff is always enabled by default, just leave it as is

[molten iron]

i guess i can leave it on default. I guess i'm confused at the difference between Enabled (Blocking) and disabled lol

[indigo walrus]

https://developer.chrome.com/blog/local-network-access

[edgy laurel]

"Checks" are enabled, which indicates blocked by default

[molten iron]

i'm sorry, i guess i'm confused at the wording. So the check feature is enabled and runs, but it automatically gets blocked by default?

[edgy laurel]

yes. the site Kirashi linked has a simple test

I get the same popup

[indigo walrus]

Everything is explained in the 2x links I've sent. If a site wants to talk to the local network, you will see an ALLOW or BLOCK prompt. You simply choose the option you wish and voila! the browser takes care of the rest.

[molten iron]

right

[zenith fog]

I’m trying to jump two pins on my psu to see if it’s dead or not. It’s a thermaltake unit. How can I know what pins to jump?

Trying to find a pinout diagram online but I’m not having any luck

[edgy laurel]

google is pretty useful sometimes

[molten iron]

I'm a slow learner.

From what I understand, keeping this setting as DEFAULT will have the pop ups appear on websites that request access to other apps and services where you can say yes or no. Putting it to Enabled (blocking) will have the same pop ups but it would default to Block instead of Allow (I still don't understand it). Setting it to Disable blocks the ability outright to check the local network?

I'm seeing things from Microsoft where the Local Network Access Restrictions are obsolete and won't work after Edge version 144 (i'm on 145)

I'm wondering if this is just a big waste of time

[zenith fog]

Is it not psu specific?

[steel stream]

what is this blackmagic

[edgy laurel]

24-pin ATX is a standard

[zenith fog]

Ok

[steel stream]

burn the wizard!

[zenith fog]

I didn’t know that

[edgy laurel]

Think for a moment. How would any standard ATX PSU work with any ATX motherboard then

[lethal topaz]

just got lucky i bought all the right psus

[steel stream]

i need to fast forward 2 hours to the start of this f1 race man

[lethal topaz]

is f1 good

[edgy laurel]

how does one answer that question

[lethal topaz]

yes or no

[steel stream]

apparently the cars are hated this year

its the pinnacle of motorsport

[edgy laurel]

if you're into F1, sure. If you're not, then probably not.

[lethal topaz]

i like it but i do not keep up with it

i got to go to a race and the paddock a year and a half ago

talked to leclerc

[steel stream]

its the first race of the season tonight

[lethal topaz]

i see

is redbull still winning?

[zenith fog]

I think I killed my psu

[steel stream]

https://youtu.be/jb_ZAme3xjo

[steel stream]

no, Norris won the championship last year, idk who won constructors

[zenith fog]

Nothing happens when I bridge the two pins together. The switch is on and power is coming from the wall

[lethal topaz]

the ability to diagnose things surely is a privilege

[zenith fog]

???

[edgy laurel]

do you actually have something plugged in that you can tell receives power or not?

[zenith fog]

I’m trying to figure out if I killed the psu. It seems like I did because it won’t turn on

[edgy laurel]

or a multimeter

not all PSU's fans will spin all the time. typically though they'll spin up briefly on first powerup

[zenith fog]

I have everything plugged in except the 24 pin which I am using to jump

[edgy laurel]

make sure you have the right two pins jumped but if you do.. its possible its dead

[zenith fog]

Is it possible when I plugged in a cable for my ssd that it killed it?

[young void]

DoooOooom

[zenith fog]

It’s a universal 6 pin to sata

[edgy laurel]

highly unlikely if its a relatively decent unit

but anything is possible

[zenith fog]

Yeah I think it’s dead. I plugged in a known good psu and everything lights up

Could a different brand sata brick the psu

[zenith fog]

I’m pretty sure I used an evga 6 pin to sata on the thermaltake psu. Would that cause the issue you think?

[steel stream]

yeah could be that

[zenith fog]

So dumb that’s what killed it

It’s a 1200w platinum psu too 🙃

[edgy laurel]

why would you do that lol

[zenith fog]

I thought nothing of it

It was just a sata

[edgy laurel]

toughpower pf3 1200W?

[zenith fog]

Toughpower grand rgb 1200

[edgy laurel]

it had 12 included SATA power connectors and you needed more?

[zenith fog]

I bought it used so it didn’t come with any

[edgy laurel]

off. well, yeah. lesson learned. PSU side connectors are not standardized.

[zenith fog]

It worked fine when I used an nvme drive but that was my personal off my pc, I wanted to plug in a spare ssd to it

[brittle trellis]

Buying a used PSU is already questionable choices, but not making sure you get the extra cables with it? Yike

[zenith fog]

I had no way of knowing, had my gf get it while I was at work. Bought the whole thing for 100

It all worked until I plugged in the wrong sata cable

[brittle trellis]

Well you did though "hey, make sure you get all the cables with it"
Or to the seller "hey, do you have all the spare cables"

[zenith fog]

I wasn’t there

[brittle trellis]

you didn't need to be

[zenith fog]

🤷‍♂️
The girl that was selling it had no computer knowledge

[young void]

[zenith fog]

Anyways lesson learned I guess

[merry stirrup]

if the person i’m buying a product from can’t tell me anything about it but it’s still at typical market price i am not buying from them

[low sorrel]

^

[merry stirrup]

“selling for my brother” and it’s a 1050ti pc listed for a grand

yeah bro it’s not even worth a lowball

[steel stream]

its a 1 of 1 1050 ti trust

[merry stirrup]

trueee

[pallid marsh]

From the rare dead company EVGA

[pure garnet]

you paid $100 for a used psu?

that you had no info on

[steel stream]

worth a million dollars to some people

[brittle trellis]

$100 for a used thermalfake even

[merry stirrup]

i mean i paid like 95 for the msi but it was basically complete

well it was complete but like new

[wise bear]

hahahahahahahahahaha

[cosmic gazelle]

i didn’t know kepler only has limited dx12 support hmm

would be interesting to see a 780ti compared to a 1060 3gb

[merry stirrup]

looks great

[turbid locust]

Fire

[low sorrel]

@edgy laurel @brisk jolt||https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1rnu6hf/oscar_piastri_has_suffered_a_crash_on_his_way_to/||

[low sorrel]

||Oscar Piastri: Fuck these cars I'm going home.||

@edgy laurel dudeeeeeeeeee first time watching f1 with VSR and HDR enabled and it looks so much better

[edgy laurel]

yessir. it didn't used to work

[spiral quarry]

the papayas will fight now lol. Gonna be interesting race this time.

[low sorrel]

also the cars look so much narrower

[brisk jolt]

He went over a ACC curb

[merry stirrup]

an excellent observation biostar, very good

[low sorrel]

@edgy laurel @brisk jolt were on lap 4 and i can tell you're going to wanna watch this race

[edgy laurel]

will have to wait till tomorrow

[brisk jolt]

nah im good im gonna be reading manhwa

[turbid locust]

how does one make it perfectly flat the curve is stupid

[cosmic gazelle]

1100? that’s crazy

what cpu you usin?

[fair wraith]

An intel 1 mghz per business day

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel so all of a sudden the rear USB-C works on this mac mini

[brisk jolt]

you mash the keyboard

[edgy laurel]

curious, is it still an official Intel Thunderbolt controller talking to the Apple silicon?

[turbid locust]

I got it

[topaz veldt]

totally unsure

[turbid locust]

Afterburner's curve editor is just straight out of 2010

[brisk jolt]

the thing is so shit to use

[edgy laurel]

much like the rest of afterburner

[topaz veldt]

So fun fact

X870E Apex and Z890 Apex have the 5 Gbps Realtek shit

but when left to auto negotiate, at least earlier today, it only auto'd to 2500 Mbps

Turns out you need this

Windows detects these NICs auto but puts this shit

which has no idea wtf 5.0 Gbps is

When you have the right shit it goes from "Realtek PCIe Ethernet" to

5 GbE

So don't worry - you don't have to start pricing out CAT7-8 bulk wire and rerunning 30 runs in your house lol

[edgy laurel]

what NICs are these?

[edgy laurel]

oh, built in?

so auto installed drivers simply don't understand 5Gb?

[topaz veldt]

Right

[edgy laurel]

i mean, isn't all that multi-gig stuff and little..

non-standard

[topaz veldt]

Windows shows up w/ it

So its supported enough in that it'll do 2.5 Gbps

[edgy laurel]

true

[topaz veldt]

but it won't do 5.0 Gbps without the realtek.com driver

[edgy laurel]

weird

whatever mechanism Windows uses to procure suitable drivers doesn't have them from realtek, possibly not WHQL certified?

[topaz veldt]

I would guess they are certified but just old

prob matches the chipset enough

[turbid locust]

why do nvidia gpus just not do the frequency you tell them to?

[edgy laurel]

the great nvidia boost algorithm mystery

[low sorrel]

||Somehow he's back|| @brisk jolt @edgy laurel

[topaz veldt]

cool to see it built in

[low sorrel]

why isn't the image in the spolier

[turbid locust]

like I have it locked to 885mv and it's straight up doing 100Mhz less than what I have that point in the curve set to lmao

[low sorrel]

wtf

[turbid locust]

@shell void have you experienced this?

[topaz veldt]

@edgy laurel neat little thing

[edgy laurel]

you need the clear cables now

[topaz veldt]

9950X3DSFF and 9850X3D only have 2.5 Gbps

[topaz veldt]

nah I don't have an in-rack patch panel and my switches are at the back of my rack

Getting a little unifi heavy

[brisk jolt]

It always happens- When I did .875v. .9v and .95v

[brisk jolt]

he got out of the car and showed everyone his true sprint

[turbid locust]

nvidia 😡

[topaz veldt]

Don't speed test file copies during your backup window lol

[brisk jolt]

god how i wish the 10gbps time comes sooner

[topaz veldt]

10 gbps for what

[brisk jolt]

the house networking

[turbid locust]

this also breaks perfcap reason lol

[brisk jolt]

i’ve decided to just slap a 10gbps mesh system throughout

[topaz veldt]

10 gbps mesh what though

wireless?

Do you have anything you can actually read/write from that's capable of 10 Gbps?

[brisk jolt]

No, my reason for getting it is mainly just cuz people on the marketplace are selling it for cheap as compared to the 2.5 gbps option where you’d might as well grab it brand new

However I’d like to just max out the mpower’s 5gbps

[topaz veldt]

most cheap 10 Gbps stuff will not do 5 Gbps

[brisk jolt]

wdym? i dont understand

[topaz veldt]

Cheap 10 Gbps stuff from 5 years ago has no idea what 2.5 or 5.0 Gbps is

Its not just "in between 1 Gbps and 10 Gbps"

[brisk jolt]

oh- Im getting the wifi 7 version so that should be able to?

[topaz veldt]

I am very confused - are you talking wireless or wired

[brisk jolt]

Wired but one of the wireless mesh i plan on doing wired to the PC

[indigo walrus]

You'll be limited by whatever the lowest common denominator is. In this case, that'll be the wireless backhaul. Just because a WiFi mesh unit has wired ethernet ports does not automagically mean you'll receive 10Gbps, 5Gbps, 2.5Gbps, or even 1Gbps through those ports if the mesh unit is using WiFi for its backhaul...

[topaz veldt]

Right so what I am trying to say is wired, you need a switch that does 2.5 / 5 Gbps, if it does 10 Gbps that's nice but 10 Gbps switches from yesteryear "cheap on market place" are 10 Gbps ONLY

[brisk jolt]

I understand this, so Im trying to place them as close to each other as possible that I can.

[indigo walrus]

Even placed close together, you won't see 10Gbps speeds, nor 5Gbps speeds. You might achieve 2.5Gbps speeds, but mesh units with backhauls with those capacities are not cheap. WiFi is and always will be for convenience; Wired it and always will be for top speed and reliability. https://www.wiisfi.com/#PHY

[topaz veldt]

This is what I suspect is missing some detail

What's an example of 10 Gbps stuff cheaper than 2.5 Gbps?

[trim agate]

tplink?

[brisk jolt]

Im getting 2 10gbps mesh from a guy where it’d be cheaper than a pack of 3, Im worried that the pack of 3 dont have as good of range

[topaz veldt]

OK so what will you plug them in to?

[indigo walrus]

And what is the exact make and model of these mesh units? I'm curious.

[brisk jolt]

I dont plan on a switch- I understand its better but I dont have any suitable spot for a “middleman”

[brisk jolt]

tplink hb710

[topaz veldt]

I am ultra confused

Mesh extends wifi signals, how do you get to 5 gbps let alone 10 gbps

[brisk jolt]

As in the first mesh acts as a router

[topaz veldt]

Ok sure but you said max out 5 Gbps on something, to what?

[brisk jolt]

The PC? It doesnt have to even be the full 5gbps just what it can get

The rooms are in a way I dont have any middleground for a switch

[trim agate]

you have 5g uplink?

im assuming you're getting one hb710 connected to your router and the other in your room connected to your pc

[topaz veldt]

You have 5 Gbps internet?

[brisk jolt]

No- Two HB710s- One acting as the router the other being in the room

[trim agate]

well one connected to your ONT i meant

[brisk jolt]

Yes

[trim agate]

i see

[indigo walrus]

Also, this would be very important to read up on. 😄 Their claim of "21Gbps" is complete marketing bullshit.
https://www.wiisfi.com/#routerhype

21 Gbps Tri-Band WiFi 7: 10-stream tri-band WiFi enables gaming, 4K/8K streaming, AR/VR, and high-speed downloading on multiple devices—all at the same time.*
Yeah, okay, sure, if you were to somehow find a magical device capable of simultaneously using every frequency...

[topaz veldt]

I just don't understand what we're transferring at 10 Gbps

[brisk jolt]

so that means Im fucked either way

[cosmic gazelle]

homework

[brisk jolt]

and I’d need to go back to the drawing board xd

[trim agate]

yeah i don't think it'll actually do 10gbps backhaul especially with walls in between

[brisk jolt]

My plan was to have them a few meters apart only

[cosmic gazelle]

rghd claims arc raiders crashes on his rx 480 on the latest drivers yet i just played an entire match on my 580

[brisk jolt]

thing is I cant connect them with another ethernet cable because there’d be a door in the way

[trim agate]

feel like the best way would be to use a long wire if you want to get 5gbps

[brisk jolt]

heres the thing- I literally cant

[trim agate]

your next best bet would be the wireless backhaul, not ideal

but it works sorta

[brisk jolt]

which is what i was thinking

[trim agate]

or drill a hole and add a connector

which i dont think sounds like an option

[brisk jolt]

I was planning on one mesh connected to the ONR being placed as close to the outside of the room as possible, and the other is placed at the door

[brisk jolt]

Its not an option entirely as a cable would still need to go straight through and be a hindrance

unless its at the top then sure, but im not allowed to do any holes

my general idea is to just get some form of ethernet

[indigo walrus]

I may have missed the plot, but I have to ask... "why 5Gbps"? If this is one of those "I have the hardware so I must make use of it!" situations... I get it, but sometimes the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[brisk jolt]

in case you want to say powerline, nah

[brisk jolt]

the 5gbps is just a sidepoint

[topaz veldt]

What speed is your internet connection

[trim agate]

i was told i have 5gbps full duplex unfortunately i have cat5e in my walls

[brisk jolt]

like you mean rn? on my pcs?

[whole coral]

Lmao yikes

[trim agate]

negotiates at 10g tho :(

[whole coral]

So you either need to downgrade the internet connection or rip all of the cords out and go CAT6a

[brisk jolt]

The mpower gets like… 100 megabytes max on a good day, normally 80
The ITX gets like 40 megabytes/s for whatever reason

And for other devices like my tablet and phone, the wifi is godawful in stability and speed

[whole coral]

CAT6a is 10 gigabit Ethernet but longer distance ofc

Would be overall better

[brisk jolt]

Powerline isnt an option- Ive heard that it just sucks in both older and newer flats

The best option of routing cables isnt available to me either, as you’d need permission to drill holes, so optimally when you set up a network its already planned and when you do the house

[trim agate]

or move my pc to my server room hmm

[reef lance]

Do you guys think having GPU fans run at 30% always is worth it? I flashed the XOC BIOS on my 3090TI but unfortunately that means that the fans never turn off anymore. They only go down to 30% at idle (1100RPM)?

[cosmic gazelle]

who cares it’s barely audible if you have other case fans

[topaz veldt]

advertised

[reef lance]

I guess that's true. I guess there's just something I don't like about running the fans constantly because it's technically extra strain, but I think before GPUs used to do that anyways. I should buy a set of extra fans off of ebay and then I will have replacements if they ever die. (RIP EVGA).

[brisk jolt]

I dont see how thats related

[trim agate]

what does your isp provide to you

[brisk jolt]

I know the advertised part is bullshit

[brisk jolt]

1gbps, what im talking is going over to 10 for the recontract

[cosmic gazelle]

dude a 3090 ti is not ever going to have dead fans

especially an evga

[trim agate]

ic

[turbid locust]

You’ll want an upgrade before the fans die probably lol

[reef lance]

True. I might upgrade next gen. I still will probably buy an extra set only because I'm keeping this card. Whether I use it in another PC or not.

[turbid locust]

Next gen is going to be an interesting ball game

I think the prices are going to be insane OR the vram is going to be super nerfed

probably both if we’re being real

I don’t see Nvidia putting out a 32GB consumer card next gen

[topaz veldt]

we have peaked dude

[indigo walrus]

No, no, you see, every card will have 64GB VRAM and cost $5K, but you'll only be able to use 8GB for the purchase price. Additional increments of 8GB VRAM can be "unlocked" for a $100/month subscription fee.

[turbid locust]

[pallid marsh]

https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/tcl-unveil-new-2026-oled-and-mini-led-monitors-including-a-1040hz-mini-led-gaming-display @low sorrel buy the 1040hz monitor to pair with your 3060

[turbid locust]

fire

[topaz veldt]

I have done things in Arc I regret

[turbid locust]

Haven’t we all

[civic reef]

Very interesting

[topaz veldt]

I need sentinel cores saw a dude kill and loot one before I could...

[turbid locust]

Is what it is

[arctic bronze]

@turbid locust if you wanna see an idiot spouting dumb shit, check out #public-chat XD

[turbid locust]

least obvious bait

[mild sentinel]

not sure is this a dumb question or not. so let say i have 2 pst pwm and 1 non-pst but pwm fan (since pst have 1 male and 1 female port right) if i connect the non-pst to pst fan will it follow the last pst fan's data or it will run default speed

nvm question so dumb that no one answer

[brittle trellis]

It's just daisy chaining, they all get the same pwm signal

The other fan might run at a different speed

[brittle trellis]

Swat being dumb again?

[pure garnet]

you must engage bro

[turbid locust]

no

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/vivian-vivian-banshee-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-cute-gif-11694298229791029863

[arctic bronze]

its degraded so bad lmao

[teal orbit]

i dont know why you would even engage in the first place

[merry stirrup]

not mine, it’s 775 based though

[gentle urchin]

Have you played Chudbound? You play as a chud who worked for Blizzard for 7 years & has to finnish his game

[gentle urchin]

Socket 775 so cool, I much prefere the Gigabytes colour scheme of the era though.

Wait that is gIGABYTE

Just weird angle, can't see the colour

[livid flame]

It’s when people have these connections for a single pc and they flex it that makes me

I get the multi computer / business use but the home user just makes me chuckle

[eager notch]

What do you think about XFX QuickSilver 9070xt? Should i pair it with 9800x3d, arctic 360 AIO and msi tomahawk b850 motherboard or should i get better model od the 9070xt?

[livid flame]

#1106613567966429224

[livid flame]

Mercury is “one of the best”

However a 9070xt is a 9070xt

[brisk jolt]

frankly speaking it doesnt matter

as thaldy stated at the end of the day its a 9070xt

[merry stirrup]

no, he’s saying that no matter what 9070xt it’s going to perform like a 9070xt

the best models of each specific card are a nice to have and hardly increase performance a measurable amount

worst to best it’s likely no more than 5%

[brisk jolt]

What? You getting over mad over me saying that you cant read?

Lol

[merry stirrup]

most of this is irrelevant though, especially in terms of having a quiet card, most modern gpus are pretty quiet nowadays

literally just get the one that would look the best in your computer, not really much else to think about

[shell void]

it looks like the quicksilver is a great cooler

[coarse zodiac]

used 14900k manufactured mid-june 2024, seller claims watercooled and only ever on latest microcode, risky buy or is it cool?

[merry stirrup]

how cheap

[south shuttle]

it’s undercooked

but it doesn’t matter much anyways

[burnt spade]

Hii

[merry stirrup]

me at the restaurant afraid of confrontation

[edgy laurel]

We have the same information you do

[coarse zodiac]

400$, 100 less than new price and 50 less than KF

[merry stirrup]

nah

[south shuttle]

i’m the type of guy who asks for a cup of free water because me not like soda

and bottled water is wasteful

[merry stirrup]

i paid less for my brand new 13900KS

[south shuttle]

plus i don’t want to pay $2 for water

[merry stirrup]

(380$)

[coarse zodiac]

european prices so 25% of that is tax

[turbid locust]

Floppa I have a question

[merry stirrup]

its used, why are you paying tax used

[turbid locust]

Do you want any of my Intel stuff

[merry stirrup]

yes

[turbid locust]

like now

[merry stirrup]

i should be employed here soon if my interview goes well, no more than a month if you can wait

[coarse zodiac]

not tax used, but everything is 25% more expensive in general

since that inflates the new price

[turbid locust]

Righty-o

[merry stirrup]

still, i wouldnt pay more for a used cpu than what someone else paid new

especially since 14600K/14700K are extremely similar in gaming performance

doesnt make much sense if you dont do multicore work

[livid flame]

What you been doing interviews for? Role wise that is

[merry stirrup]

currently interviewing as a tier one msp

so basic sysadmin/helpdesk crap

[livid flame]

I almost lost my shit with one of those today

[merry stirrup]

for someone whos 19 with no certs or anything im doing hopefully quite good

[coarse zodiac]

i kinda need the multicore performance 😭

[livid flame]

I know you will be better

[merry stirrup]

i have previous work exp in the field so

[livid flame]

Took 45mins for him to enable font smoothing in my Citrix environment after fucking it up

[merry stirrup]

yeesh

[livid flame]

If I still had admin, takes me 30secs. Was infuriating. Surprised I never lost my shit

I was close

[merry stirrup]

ive had to yell at my own msp before i get it

stupid fucking idiot disabled the vpn connection at 5 in the morning without telling anyone else in his or our company that it wasnt going to work

60 teams messages before im supposed to wake up at 6, yeah im mad

[livid flame]

We had that once. We spoke to our internal IT guy, he woke the director up out of bed. Sorted in 5 mins

[merry stirrup]

(we had more remote employees than on site, this matters a fuck ton)

thanks for charging us 32K a month for effectively nothing

[merry stirrup]

good lol

[merry stirrup]

tldr bro mixed up production and testing environments and blew the shit up for like 3 hours

[topaz veldt]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/16856653

[merry stirrup]

no way thats not faked

[topaz veldt]

I dunno, OCN seems mconvinced

[merry stirrup]

whos testing top of the line refresh on a ds3h

[shell void]

we'll know in like 3 days

but last i checked jaykihn said 290k was cancelled

[edgy laurel]

why are leaked benchmarks always geekbench

[merry stirrup]

cause theyre always public

[edgy laurel]

just autouploaded?

[south shuttle]

i don’t really pay attention to leaks anymore

[merry stirrup]

yah

[fringe vigil]

Happy international womens day ❤️ ❤️

[south shuttle]

either something is good at release or not

50 series were rumoured to be 💥 but only thing that turned out okay was rtx 5090 and pro 6000

drawing much more powah than 4090 and costing +$400 msrp

[shell void]

people are going to whine even louder when the 60 series pushes wattage higher again

[south shuttle]

nvidia’s own specs don’t allow 12v-6x2 to run higher than like 610w

[topaz veldt]

not me

I am eyeing up the 2800W Superflower

[shell void]

node shrink = more transistors = more power density = more wattage at equivalent voltage

[south shuttle]

the contacts physically aren’t rated each for such high wattages

[shell void]

so the only two outcomes are that nvidia lowers the voltage target (theyve been using 1.1v for a decade or more) or the wattage goes up again

[topaz veldt]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/16856653?baseline=16905474

[south shuttle]

i mean it would be funny if nvidia instead of giving tolerance headroom would go into the negatives and overload the connector

[shell void]

[topaz veldt]

I am regularly pulling 700W+ over 12vhpwr

[brisk jolt]

im probably eying on either a seasonic or a bequiet unit closer to 2000w next from this lianli 1000w psu

[shell void]

watercooled U9 495K and 6090 will be able to overdraw a 120v 15a circuit based on napkin math and rumors

[south shuttle]

or slap two 12-6x2s and establish atx 3.2 or 4.0 spec 🤣

excellent for consumers having to upgrade their psu every few years just to keep up with nvidia requirements

even if you have a fat wattage unit

[shell void]

i mean theyre not doing anything wrong man

like i said theyve been using the same 1.1v target for at least a decade if not more (1080Ti -> 5090)

power density just goes up as we cram more SMs

[topaz veldt]

Also the people buying 6090s will give zero fucks about upgrading a PSU

[brisk jolt]

I cant wait for better base power efficiency and we find out the best UV meta for maximum efficiency

[shell void]

yeah itll be interesting to see where that lands

it sucks that we're limited by how Nvidia shapes the default VF curve and the offset limits though

the lowest you can go on 5090 is ~870mv without nuking clocks, but it would be more efficient at ~815mv if they let us

[brisk jolt]

Imagine if it gets another efficiency jump like from 30>40 series

[south shuttle]

people do care though, spending $200-400 on a psu only to have it replaced sucks

when it’s in a 10-15 year warranty

[shell void]

if you bought a $400 PSU then it's probably 1600W and there's no room for you to upgrade on 120v

[south shuttle]

dual 120v hehe

🧌

[shell void]

even $200 is probably 1.0-1.2KW which is fine for anything except combining a 6090 and 52 core nova lake cpu

[brisk jolt]

all these game options and I choose for a VN and watching my friend’s stream on my other monitor

[south shuttle]

if your house is equipped with thick gauge wires, breakers rated for hugher currents and all then those hugh wattage combos are still possible

but most houses aren’t equipped

[turbid locust]

You could get some of the CompTIA ones pretty easy and quick lol

[shell void]

yeh i have 120v 20a circuits but i havent seen any higher wattage 120v psus

[topaz veldt]

no they don't

5090 owners bought new PSUs, new cases, and new cables for their shit - when you're open to spending $3k-4k on a GPU a PSU is a toss-in

[south shuttle]

they do… it makes almost 10% of the total build

i see people complaining about 10% taxes all the time

[topaz veldt]

They don't. People are literally buying 5090s at $4500 today.

[topaz veldt]

Yeah they aren't buying 5090s

The person who wants the performance of a 6090 is not going to care about a PSU

[shell void]

the room heat is more annoying than the prices

[turbid locust]

@shell void I tried the optimal 5090 V/F curve last night and I have questions

[south shuttle]

someone will always care

[topaz veldt]

Not people buying 5090s. Ferrari owners don't complain about gas prices.

[shell void]

youre going to need local air con just to game even in winter xD

[topaz veldt]

I better finish up that 2nd L6-20R

Speaking of which why the fuck can't I find a white plate 1 gang wall plate for a 1.60" round L6-20R

[shell void]

?

[south shuttle]

what is their budget is like sub 7k

[turbid locust]

Does your card also do like 100Mhz lower than the frequency you set

[shell void]

yeah youre not going to get matched target and effective clocks

[turbid locust]

wack

[shell void]

you can get closer with a more aggressive vbios and better cooling

[topaz veldt]

This convo is stupid. No one says "I have money for a 296 GTS but I really won't buy 93 octane fuel at these prices"

[shell void]

sux that matrix vbios doesnt work on the tuf

[south shuttle]

you would be surprised how often similar scenarios happen

[topaz veldt]

IMHO the cooler is wholly inadequate anyway

[turbid locust]

TUF isn’t very vbios swap friendly

[south shuttle]

my government can afford a super computer that they won’t utilize properly but cannot pay it’s employees that do all the research

they decreased my dad’s pay due to consolidations

[shell void]

yeah but you still get higher clocks at lower voltages with the matrix vbios for whatever reason

[topaz veldt]

Sigh. Give up dude. Literally not a thing. People who are willing to spend $3,000 minimally on a GPU do not give a shit about needing a PSU to make it work. Period.

[south shuttle]

meanwhile super computers are apparently cheap

[shell void]

the tune that i gave mac is like 400W max

[turbid locust]

I think I saw 414W in GTA last night

[shell void]

sounds about right for 2160p DLAA RT

[south shuttle]

they do if their budget is limited to some extent

[topaz veldt]

Did I tell you about the dude who got a Matrix local

[topaz veldt]

Its not. Your hypothetical scenario does not exist.

[shell void]

nop

[topaz veldt]

No one builds a $1M and worries about the property tax

No one buys a $350k boat and worries about insurance

These are completely elective, luxury purchases, no one cares

[south shuttle]

you’re overly generalizing and missing out on the general population

the instance im giving frequently happens in the world

[topaz veldt]

Guy got on an ASUS BTF bundle - hyped it up, blah blah. In the same breath has always been shit talking my Matrix flashed Masters. Whatever. So installs his Matrix in 800W mode gets 43K PR. I set my clocks to his same boost/average, and I get 45.3K

[topaz veldt]

There is no "general population of $3000-4000 GPU" people - stop

[shell void]

who is this theoretical $10,000 gaming computer builder that would be distraught about having to buy a nice power supply

[topaz veldt]

buying a 5090 or 6090 is not something you do on a budget

[topaz veldt]

EXACTLY

He's infinte-monkey-theoreming that surely SOMEONE out there won't want a new PSU

[brave panther]

i am waiting for 3.7kw psus to max out my schuko

[shell void]

lawl

[south shuttle]

because you already own a nice power supply and nvidia ruins it by releasing a new spec

[shell void]

the master cooler is better than the astral and matrix

[topaz veldt]

I have PCs with RM1000x and 5090s. If 6090 needs 1500W I will gladly replace them, as anyone would, because I want the best GPU and that's a price to pay.

[shell void]

the master cooler can sustain 750W with the stock paste and closer to the full 800W if you clean it and liquid metal it

[topaz veldt]

That's how the world works with completely non-necessity purchases

[south shuttle]

someone might not buy a newest or/and greatest just because of the requirements

not justcby the product’s cost itself

[topaz veldt]

I dunno what you're even saying

[shell void]

i assume 6090 cards will just be 1000W with dual 12v-2x6 similar to the 5090 lightning

i dont think there'll be a new power connector

[devout ridge]

120v-2x6

[shell void]

lol if only

[topaz veldt]

And if there were people who must have a 6090 will buy a PSU

[south shuttle]

man you’re dirty rich you don’t know how it’s to live on budget ngl

[topaz veldt]

I grew up in a trailer MF

Sinle parent 600 sq ft shit

[shell void]

i really dont understand what youre trying to say though kvetinky

[topaz veldt]

My mom wasn't buying fucking 6090s

[brisk jolt]

The dude does not have any ability to read btw

[topaz veldt]

and that's the point

[south shuttle]

even chatgpt is more reasonable than you and that’s another low

[shell void]

even if nvidia did put a new style of connector on the 6060 or 6060Ti they would include an adapter in the box

nobody has to think about buying a new psu except 6090 owners

[topaz veldt]

I fear your entire existence requires chatgpt

Guess what we didn't do when living on $30,000 year with 2 kids? Buy 6090s

[south shuttle]

people do care about spending $10000 vs $11000 or $1m vs 1.1m

[topaz veldt]

Name one

[south shuttle]

you wouldn’t see tax evasion if they didn’t

[topaz veldt]

Greed is not care

Now we're on tax evasion lol

[south shuttle]

you wouldn’t see people buying 3 room houses instead of 4 room

[shell void]

i mean i wasnt happy about paying $3000 instead of $2000 for my 5090 but i dont understand the realistic implication of this argument because 1600W PSUs are only like $400 and a lot of high end gpu buyers already have one anyway

[topaz veldt]

I didn't want to pay for 93 octane fuel on a 296 GTS so I bought a camry

[south shuttle]

because you said it never happens

[topaz veldt]

People are not evading taxes so they can afford a PSU

[shell void]

you can plug a 5090 into a 15 year old psu with some adapters so it's not like theyre forcing anyone to upgrade

[south shuttle]

i do care about spending extra $10 when it’s not necessary

[topaz veldt]

bro go work in a room without wet paint

[shell void]

the adapters are free with the card too

[south shuttle]

on $100 product

[topaz veldt]

You're not buying a 6090

Do you have a 5090? no

You are not the target here

[south shuttle]

it also applies to a 6090

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[wraith steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-gif-10104807991349274331

[shell void]

if nvidia had switched to 12v-2x6 and not included adapters then i would understand being pissed off, but that wasn't what happened

[brisk jolt]

this kvetinky guy CANNOT read at all

Total inability to

[devout ridge]

reading is hard

[shell void]

i dont want my GPU to use 1000W either because of room heat but that's just how it goes when power density is creeping up on ~750mm 512bit GPUs

[devout ridge]

soon an AC unit is gonna be all but required

[south shuttle]

read what snail says, anyone is willing to pay for a new psu (those were replies to even when your psu can support the gpu power wise but not because of a new connector standard) when they can afford a 6090… or do not give shit about spending an extra 5-10% of the total system’s cost on a new psu, expect people do… those tiny costs or inconvienences are the reason why someone opt to buy something lower tier because it doesn’t fit within their limited budget

[brisk jolt]

Holy shit…. Reading is fucking hard

[shell void]

okay it looks like nvidia dropped the vcore limit from 1.2v on the 980ti to 1.1v on the 1080ti, and it's stayed there ever since

it's possible that theyll drop it to 1.0v or something on 60 series to keep wattage in check

[south shuttle]

if nobody would care allegedly comparably no tax evasions would happen

[devout ridge]

if 100-150usd is too much for someone to bear, they shouldn’t be buying a 6090 to begin with

[south shuttle]

some people literally do anything in their power to avoid paying an extra 1%

[south shuttle]

again it’s their limited budget respect that

[brisk jolt]

ah yes I love it when I have a 98% chance of success and fail that 2%

[devout ridge]

then buy a 6080 as you said, problem solved!

[south shuttle]

well that could be 50% worse

[devout ridge]

Then buy a 5090

[brisk jolt]

When will we realise that this TC1 green name doesnt matter

[pure garnet]

“limited budget”
“6090”

[devout ridge]

me when my 4000usd gpu doesn’t include a PSU

[south shuttle]

it’s like saying people that can afford a 5090 should buy a rtx pro 6000 because it makes no sense why you cannot afford an rtx pro 6000 when you can a 5090

that’s basicly what snail’s argument equals to

[devout ridge]

apples and bananas

also no it’s not lol

[brisk jolt]

Are we deadass?

[devout ridge]

what even do you want nvidia to do?

not use more power?

[pure garnet]

$4000 gpu buyers can afford a $250 psu

[south shuttle]

yes

[pure garnet]

if you can’t, https://jobs.mchire.com

[devout ridge]

it’s an inevitability my friend, moore’s law is dead

[south shuttle]

you can underpower the cards by default

[devout ridge]

why on earth would they do that?

[south shuttle]

so it doesn’t melt the connector

[devout ridge]

“hey guys, can you nerf the fuck out of your cards by default because psu’s are expensive?”

[pure garnet]

the real world doesn’t run on the reddit perf/$ scale

[devout ridge]

if someone is concerned about that, they are free to set a power limit

[south shuttle]

or require users to upgrade their whole pc because the gpus become so massive and require more of that connector most psus don’t have

[pure garnet]

you’re not buying a 6090 without psu money

[shell void]

they are doing that already xD

[brisk jolt]

if we look at this guy’s chat history we can obviously see that he stupid as f*ck

[devout ridge]

this is literally the argument with any upgraded component

[shell void]

5090 isnt even a fully enabled GB202 and it can still go up to around 800W if you actually let it use 1.1v

[devout ridge]

you could have a similar argument to new CPU platforms, or new ram generations, or new USB gens

[pure garnet]

i can’t believe going from my 5800x3d to a 13700k required me to buy a motherboard that had an lga1700 socket

[devout ridge]

how dare they! they should all be the same socket!

[young void]

I mean if one would be willing to buy my gpu for 4000 id give them a 1250 psu

Just cause lol, I mean myte as well at that point

[devout ridge]

we should be using the same socket the athalon used 2 decades ago

[wraith steeple]

Media illiteracy, Media Illiteracy sung the same as School House Rock's Electricity song

[devout ridge]

how dare innovation require new foundational components to support them

[topaz veldt]

its the basis of every debate with them

[pure garnet]

the venn diagram of people that buy 2-4 thousand dollar gpus not being able to afford a $250 power supply just doesn’t connect man

[topaz veldt]

That is correct

[devout ridge]

“b-b-but tax evasion!”

[green marsh]

what are we even talking about, 2200W Seasonic Prime is like 550-600 euros ? If 2.2kW ain't enough for you...

[brisk jolt]

The people down there purchasing lower tier cards do…. Not the people up there

[south shuttle]

yes when the innovation does more harm than good like when they replaced those mostly reliable 6+2 connectors with something that saves pennies but burns on every 100th card over time

[devout ridge]

Blame atx lol

[south shuttle]

blame nvidia for pushing it

[pure garnet]

the standard pci-sig approved?

[young void]

Whats been cooking this morning, just woke up out of the loops?

[pure garnet]

the usual strawman argument

[devout ridge]

illiteracy

[young void]

[green marsh]

it's called being dumb i think. "Oh now, i built this $3000 PC, Windows for $150 is too expensive, even if i have to buy just one once at worst every 10 years and can move it to new HW"

[young void]

Need coffee

[devout ridge]

kvetinky has changed his argument so many times

[brisk jolt]

kvetinky as always does not have any reading ability

[topaz veldt]

So back to your point. You are saying that someone who paid $3000-4000+ on a 5090 with, minimally, a good 1000W PSU is NOT going to buy a 6090 because they need a new PSU and instead is going to buy a 6070 Ti or 6080? That's the claim?

[young void]

XD

[pure garnet]

week one: 6090 master?
week two-infinity: no psu money

[wraith steeple]

Illit-teracy, iiii-lit-teracy 🗣️ 📢

[south shuttle]

also i’m tired of people using this fallacy wrongly, i’m using overly generalizations not strawman

[pure garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-laughing-can't-laug-holding-in-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-3703018688055516609

[brisk jolt]

guys Im gonna use my sf850 with the 6090!!! oh shitt!!!!

[devout ridge]

Incorrect generalizations, also known as a kind of strawman in this context

[brisk jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/xylibanned-trapped-in-jar-trapped-halp-gif-6991355193835834107

[devout ridge]

funnily enough it would probably be fine, you picked a bad psu for that example

[topaz veldt]

So again - a 5090 owner, with top tier everything, surely, in their 2025 build is going to buy a 6080 or 6070 Ti if it needs a new PSU?

[south shuttle]

some people yes, your argument was that no one

[shell void]

i have honestly thought about downgrading to a 6080 next gen but im probably the exception

[green marsh]

market listings sometimes... "Gaming set"

[topaz veldt]

Out of boredom really, not fiscal inability

[green marsh]

"Gaming set" being - Ryzen 3 1200, X370 mobo, 12GB RAM, GTX970 😄

[devout ridge]

it was gaming 10 years ago, surely it still games

[pure garnet]

are you downgrading for the psu prices though

[shell void]

no lmao

[south shuttle]

some people will care it’s not a generalization even and not a strawman at all

[topaz veldt]

Yeah there's probably someone RIGHT NOW standing on their pinky toe. Someone is. Maybe. So it must be true that people are going to do it.

[green marsh]

he is also asking 200 euros for that

[pure garnet]

goal post has ran out the building and left the parking lot

[shell void]

i just dont think i need an 800W+ gaming GPU

[brisk jolt]

I might flip my 5070Ti to a 6080 tbh as long as its a SFF model still

[shell void]

especially with upscaling getting so good

[south shuttle]

where incorrect generalization?

[wraith steeple]

I'll give the young ones a nice try of middle eastern treats if anyone knows which this is parodying off of

[devout ridge]

someone refinanced their mortgage for a new pc, and they only got exactly enough for a 6090, but not enough for the PSU

[topaz veldt]

Was looking at 5070 Tis for my Terra

[green marsh]

hm...

[topaz veldt]

So they sold everything and bought a 3090

[devout ridge]

ahem

[young void]

I mean im down to my last few hundred bucks

Butttt I had to pay about 14k off so priorities

[devout ridge]

i’m broke asf, i ain’t been to work in 3 weeks since i was busy with a production

[south shuttle]

yes right now, because there are constantly hundreds or thousands of people looking at top end cards (this is a generalization) and atleast one or two of them will care about additional 5-10% dollars spent

[south shuttle]

that was an example, you gotta pay attention to the “it’s like”

[young void]

Being out of debt feels nice at least

[south shuttle]

i didn’t say snail is saying -is okay

[wraith steeple]

The levels of debate broing unfolding here is wild

[topaz veldt]

No that makes no sense and is not anywhere near the argument. If the RTX 6000 Pro was $4500 and a significant performance increase over the $3500-4000 5090 I am arguing that people WOULD get it even if it meant spending for a new PSU because that's literally of zero concern when an entire system is costing $8000-10,000.

[south shuttle]

any extra money in % is not “not a concern” for most people

[topaz veldt]

So you're building a thesis, a tone, a vibe, on one or two people out of hundreds or thousands of people? That's your posture? Bro please stay out of debating.

[south shuttle]

imagine getting your pay reduced by 5% you would care for sure

or everything that you buy goes up by 5% without your pay being raised

[topaz veldt]

LOL you are equating a PSU purchase to getting a 5% pay cut?

[young void]

Is psu going up to?

[topaz veldt]

@south shuttle do you even have a job? This is earthh - are you nearby?

[brisk jolt]

me asf

[south shuttle]

if it would ne unnecessary yes

[pure garnet]

how are we arguing a psu worth ~6% the cost of a gpu is going to massively sway the entire system price

[topaz veldt]

OK quoting this for posterity. You're insane. I thought your scalping shit made no sense... this is epic.

[young void]

Oh 6% is like 6-12$ for most psu 100-200$

[south shuttle]

look @devout ridge a fallacy

[young void]

No real biggie, lines up with inflations

[topaz veldt]

Do you have a 5090

[brisk jolt]

big day for the unemployed

[topaz veldt]

Are we listening to a guy with a GTX 1080 tell us what 6090 owners are thinking?

[south shuttle]

also you guys don’t point out the many ad hominems snail has put on me before that’s okay but overly generalizations are 999% bad (this is a fallacy i’m typing)

[pure garnet]

rx 6650xt owners club

[brisk jolt]

b580 owners club

[topaz veldt]

Nothing needs point out bro you are laying out you have no clue

[south shuttle]

even with a job i wouldn’t be able to afford a 5090

[pure garnet]

nah b580 owners aren’t this

[young void]

Im still trying to catch up what the argument is xD, im not alive

[south shuttle]

and my jobs are niches part times not full times

[topaz veldt]

OK so you are going to tell people who buy 5090s what their mindset is and you cannot afford one. Do you see the issue here?

[brisk jolt]

so... what you're saying is you have no say in this

[wraith steeple]

The debate bro energy here is wild

[pure garnet]

6090 having 2 2v6 connectors making a new psu somewhat required

[south shuttle]

again they’re called examples, he said nobody cares about 5-10% but real world people do which breaks his point/argument

[topaz veldt]

We said that 6090 or "next gen top tier" is going to need even more power. kvesthiny says that people will not buy it then because people buying 6090s are not going to want to spend another $250-300 on a PSU. That will prevent them from buying the top tier card - a new PSU.

[young void]

Ohh

[south shuttle]

most people do*

[brisk jolt]

oh hell yeah the guy who cant read is telling me that

[young void]

Tbh ive been considering this for quite some time as a just in case. Would honestly make sense to release the 5.2/3.2 or whatever they name it with 6000 series

[topaz veldt]

I think the most impressive part of the argument is when someone who has no experience or means to do something tells everyone else how people are going to think

[young void]

With hope for improvements, so lines up. If its actually a safer psu/cables ill be totes fine with that

[south shuttle]

you intentionally didn’t put some before the -people

[shell void]

idk why ATX didnt mandate 14ga wire for 12v-2x6 and rate it for 800W instead of 600W

[south shuttle]

just to make your argument sound better

[topaz veldt]

I intentionally disregard your basis because its ridiculous

[shell void]

dual EPS is good for 800W so that wouldve been perfect

[south shuttle]

you probably don’t know what even budget means

i already gave you enough real world examples why people care about 5% price increase

[topaz veldt]

I do know what even budget means I manage them professionally

[brisk jolt]

ah yes point the finger to the 6090 then bring it down to the peasant level disregarding every and each one of ur previous arguments

[turbid locust]

half of us have bench PSUs anyway

[topaz veldt]

Hey guys we have $20M for this new AI/compute project but we need new PDUs for $20,000 - project is off, cancelled. Not doing it.

[south shuttle]

i never said everyone cares about 5% price increase i said some and you misrepresent that to make your argument stronger by not including the some

part.

[young void]

I keep a spare on me , ok ok. crawls to coffee

[brisk jolt]

oh no... 5% increase on 500 dollars, however will 25 dollars affect me anyway!

We cant read, next we cant do simple math

[south shuttle]

okay then burn 5% of your net worth in fire, would you do that?

[turbid locust]

5% of my net worth is worth more than 2 6090s let alone one + a psu

[brisk jolt]

That would literally just be selling off the 5090

you cannot apprehend the concept of losing shit to move forward

[south shuttle]

5% across multiple (all of your) purchases accumulates to everything bout 5% more expensive

[turbid locust]

That is how percentages work yes

[topaz veldt]

To have something I want and not need? Yes I have done that time and again

[brisk jolt]

Oh man, the guy who cant do math is giving math classes now!

[wraith steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/kuroko-anime-despair-hit-table-gif-21051524

[brisk jolt]

mood

[topaz veldt]

Bro is acting like a 6090 is food for a family... its a totally elective purchase that is excessive. No. One. Cares.

[devout ridge]

wdym, if i don’t buy a 6090 my whole family is gonna starve

[topaz veldt]

I camped out for a 5090 with like 50 people and not one single person was like "man I hope I don't need a new PSU or this is out"

[south shuttle]

i do care about spending extra 5% or not, it’s the reason why opt for different retailers

[wise bear]

yeah how else will i upgrade my oven

[brisk jolt]

No one cares about 5% unless you are absolute bottom of the barrel scrapping by, in which you wouldnt even be in this conversation

[wraith steeple]

We need more than Allah or Jesus.... We need the whole Justice League of religous figures

[young void]

I usually use my current setup to upgrade to next gen + few hundred bucks

[topaz veldt]

That's not the point- no one wants to pay 5% more for something if they don't have to. What even are you saying holy wow

[young void]

Trade up type deal

[topaz veldt]

I heard there are a few less these days

[south shuttle]

that’s what i’ve been saying pretty much the whole time, nobody wants to burn money if they don’t have to does it all make sense to you now?

[brisk jolt]

Dude in TC1 was bringing up shit against someone who decided to stick to the apple ecosystem.. Dude cannot apprehend the concept of "Your own opinion" either

[young void]

The coffee warms my soulllllLlll

[devout ridge]

so you want nvidia to nerf the card for everyone?

[topaz veldt]

No no - you didn't READ. You said you pick other retailers. Yes if two people are selling the same thing I won't spend more. That's stupid. But if I have to spend 5% more no matter what (your PSU example), I will. Because I want it. A 6090 is not a need, its a want.

[south shuttle]

do you like melting connector surprises? btw rma costs raise price for everyone because now more of the profits need to be allocated to rmas

[topaz veldt]

What really fucks those people up is how I have like $5k in Apple shit and oodles in PC shit lol - like I will post about Apple shit and they are like "so you get it!" and I am like "well no I have way more of the other shit too"

[devout ridge]

my brother in christ, the options aren’t nerf it or melt, it’s nerf it or just add a second connector

[brisk jolt]

his iq is indeed lower than an industrial freezer's temperature

[pure garnet]

you may need to stop watching as much gn dude

[wraith steeple]

What fear mongering does to an individual

[south shuttle]

not all psus have that second connector

[devout ridge]

so buy a new one

problem solved

[wraith steeple]

He has a massive Icarus complex

[devout ridge]

if you wanna run 1 connector, set a power limit

[south shuttle]

which ends up costing money?

[devout ridge]

so does the 6090

[wraith steeple]

Weclome to the world of niche hobbies

IDK what else to tell ya

[devout ridge]

you indeed sometimes need to purchase supporting hardware to go along with your several thousand dollar purchase

this is not a new concept

[brisk jolt]

zzz

[devout ridge]

your recommendation has literally only been “massively nerf the card for everyone because there might be a tiny minority of people that aren’t budgeting properly”

[brisk jolt]

Same essential energy as “this new x job requires me to wear safety boots”

[topaz veldt]

which I argued is completely moot because no one is like "man I am getting the $4500 model GP-- WAIT A MINUTE.... a new PSU!?? FUCK THIS. I am getting a mid-tier model now."

[devout ridge]

Yep, there might be like 1 person that does that

and guess what, no one gives a fuck about that 1 guy

[topaz veldt]

Sir... I am prepared to sign this bill of sale for a $450k car... but it says here it requires "premium fuel" - what is that?

[brisk jolt]

fuck a new PSU is required, I needa go grab a 6060 instead

[pure garnet]

i was gonna buy the ford gt but then i saw gas prices so i walked away with a used prius

[devout ridge]

fuck i need a new psu? i’ll buy a 4050 instead, it uses slot power

[pure garnet]

i put 93 in my economy shitbox bro couldn’t imagine

[topaz veldt]

slot power is very commanding, though

[brisk jolt]

shit… Electricity? Look at the price! It cost money!

[topaz veldt]

You know, I was all in on this $1M home owner shit until I saw I have to pay for trash removal

[pure garnet]

imagine how devastated at psu owners feel having no upgrade path

[south shuttle]

you cannot buy an 80 class die anymore for sub $1000 or $2000 including whole system

[pure garnet]

LMAO

not this dumb shit again

well actually the 80 is actually a 70 because it uses less area than the crappy samsung 8nm die or an ancient tsmc 12nm process

[south shuttle]

it literally uses different naming scheme even coming from nvidia

[brisk jolt]

his brain isnt braining

[south shuttle]

not xx2 but xx3 or even xx4 like they tried with the 12gb 4080 (4070 ti now)

[pure garnet]

last i checked the 5080 is still an 80

[south shuttle]

3080 was a cutdown ga102

it also performed like one

[wraith steeple]

[south shuttle]

5080 is half that of 5090

[pure garnet]

you mean the samsung ewaste process that doesn't match turing or ada in die scheme?

2080 is tu104

but no in the reddit gpu world the exception is the rule

[south shuttle]

it’s not half that of 2080 ti

[topaz veldt]

i forget is this the dude who says they're like a quantum physicist or am I mixing things up

[pure garnet]

quantum fry cook

[wraith steeple]

Different guy

[south shuttle]

is it not reasonable to think someone wants the top bracket of gpu performance while budgeting?

[livid flame]

Quantum physicist where

I wanna know where my worm holes are

[wraith steeple]

The one you're thinking of has his name as a 2012 Vauxhaul

[pure garnet]

if you're not budgeting for a psu you're not budgeting

[wraith steeple]

[topaz veldt]

oh ok

[topaz veldt]

almost spit my coffee

[topaz veldt]

No. It is not reasonable.

[brisk jolt]

quantum kitchen burner

[south shuttle]

you disagreed on me with it the whole time

[brisk jolt]

He also lacks the reasoning to “sell old hardware” to upgrade to new ones

We have one wasteful fella here

[topaz veldt]

Yes. I disagree with your take - definitively without question

[wraith steeple]

I haven't seen the 2012 car guy in a while actually

[south shuttle]

wouldn’t to be even better to not upgrade at all if it’s not necessary?

[topaz veldt]

prob contracted by the US gov for secret squirrel stuff

[devout ridge]

Correct

[pure garnet]

bros build

[brisk jolt]

never cast ur opinion ever again

[south shuttle]

i will

[brisk jolt]

its all dogshit and has no meaning

[pure garnet]

if the 6090 doesn't fit in my $40 masterbox it's nvidia's fault

[south shuttle]

for you guys maybe not but for others that are not enthusiasts and care about 5% it is

[pure garnet]

they're buying a 6090 😭

[south shuttle]

what about 9090 ti not fitting in an “eatx” (it’s not eatx but whatever) case, is that still not nvidia fault?

[brisk jolt]

you literally have no right and no say in a conversation about the high end stuff

if you know whats good for you, the exit’s that way

[south shuttle]

i literally have high end hardware that’s 2 gens old and 1 gen old mid range hardware

[shell void]

homemade pickles are so good

[wraith steeple]

He (2012 car guy) said I was born rich because I had curry quite a bit growing up....... I wish I was joking since that was like basic of basic bitch food back in Iraq

[south shuttle]

i won’t stop thank you for the opinion (not facts) tho :)

[topaz veldt]

Uh I work with dudes who grew up in places with sand as floors and they had curry... like what

[south shuttle]

if you guys realized yall are not the only ones in this chat, not all people want to write a comment

[topaz veldt]

lol ok

[south shuttle]

especially if the whole mob is agaisnt me supporting what i said would make them seem bad as well

[topaz veldt]

yeah I am sure there are just fleets of people who agree with you

[brisk jolt]

Is he still not done with his clownshow

[topaz veldt]

right

[devout ridge]

they must all be asleep

[south shuttle]

you guys think it’s a clownshow

[topaz veldt]

now he is building a defense that because we openly oppose his ideas other people are not coming to his assistance

[south shuttle]

someone may find my advice useful

[brisk jolt]

you’re not him

especially in here

[devout ridge]

what even is your advice lol

[pure garnet]

don’t buy a gpu so you can keep your old psu

[brisk jolt]

facts

[devout ridge]

groundbreaking advice, not buying a gpu saves money

[south shuttle]

save money when not necessary and doesn’t affect demanded performance much